* Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Also many hackers have more business sense than their MDs - look at
success of projects started by hackers or engineers versus that of those
started by
* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Thats were a few people have gone wrong lately then ;-)
yup
--
Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
On or about Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 01:35:32AM -0500, Mark Rogaski typed:
That would be c.l.p.m ... unless of course you aren't referring to Tom.
You weren't at the technical meeting last night, were you? This thoth
is a network monitoring system.
R
On 15/01/2001 at 21:12 +, mallum wrote:
^
Your clock's wrong...
--
:: paul
:: and if you refuse to believe
:: you will be cast into the void
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 07:51:30PM +, Marcel Grunauer wrote:
apt-get install apache-perl will get you an apache with mod_perl linked into
Apache.
The trouble I find with precompiled mod_perl's is that they usually
haven't beencompiled with EVERYTHING = 1, so they have to be compiled
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
"Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The US has much more to worry about than the UK, like high water tables,
vicious weather and earthquakes. The smart money goes on hosting in Texas
(San Antonio) not California
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And the UK doesn't have high water tables (in some places and not in others,
just like anywhere else) or vicious weather (again, in some places not in
others, just like anywhere else). But it strikes me as being absurd that I
hear EVERY YEAR of the
Got this through the email. Where do Perl people fit in?
Unix person: So then he tried to su to chroot, but of course the crontab
wasn't even mounted because there were four spaces instead of a tab in the
getty sed awk ^] sh ksh zsh | and that's why we're getting another
three E45000s to run
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:42:11AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a
client suddenly changing ther mind) then theres no problem doing it ..
just charge em bigtime!
nope this is where your pimp/MD should of tied up the
Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Got this through the email. Where do Perl people fit in?
Unix person: So then he tried to su to chroot, but of course the crontab
wasn't even mounted because there were four spaces instead of a tab in the
getty sed awk ^] sh ksh zsh | and that's why we're
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 04:51:18PM +, Greg Cope wrote:
What about a bed / kip room and of course a play room - and I do not
mean some 70's swingers thing - a P2, etc ...
Having something to crash on when pulling an all-nighter is, IMO, a
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
IMHO developers should be given the environment that is what makes them
confotable, an IBM research center was on the telly the other day that
had a big open plan style area, as well as individaul offices, as
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:32:16AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:42:11AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a
client suddenly changing ther mind) then theres no problem doing it ..
just charge
Greg Cope wrote:
perl person: Hacked a drawing program in 2 hours.
other person: That long, oh dear ..
perl person: yeah but I was drunk at the time. Oh and it sends mail. And
it's written in Latin. And none of the sub routines are actually called.
It just sort of guesses which one you
On 19 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And the UK doesn't have high water tables (in some places and not in others,
just like anywhere else) or vicious weather (again, in some places not in
others, just like anywhere else). But it strikes me as
* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:32:16AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:42:11AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a
client suddenly changing ther mind)
From: Greg McCarroll [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
write a suggestions document of where the project management and
management functions are going wrong
if they ignore it leave
Do you know anywhere this has happened Greg? ;-)
A quick reminder of something I mentioned last night.
The hardware spec for penderel (our server) is starting to show its age
(I don't know exactly what the specs are, but the box is at least 18
months old).
There are also a number of people who have expressed an interest in
joining the
Dave Cross wrote:
I'm therefore looking for a volunteer to organise this. The organiser
would, of course, be given a free login on the server.
Anyone fancy it?
I'll give it a go.
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:12:58 +, Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Cross wrote:
I'm therefore looking for a volunteer to organise this. The
organiser would, of course, be given a free login on the server.
Anyone fancy it?
I'll give it a go.
Simon,
The advantage of
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:10:26 + (GMT), alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
Anyone fancy it?
I forgot to mention, I offered to do this before, and that offer still
stands.
Alex,
Thanks for the offer. I'm
Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:12:58 +, Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Cross wrote:
I'm therefore looking for a volunteer to organise this. The
organiser would, of course, be given a free login on the server.
What's the current specs of
A quick reminder of something I mentioned last night.
The hardware spec for penderel (our server) is starting to show its age
(I don't know exactly what the specs are, but the box is at least 18
months old).
There are also a number of people who have expressed an interest in
joining the
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
Thanks for the offer. I'm more that happy to take you up on it.
no problems.
How soon do you think you can have a list of the kinds of hardware
that you want to buy? That would give us an estimate of how many new
donors we're looking for.
I'd prefer
Dean S Wilson wrote:
What kind of low level stuff are you interested in? kernel/device
drivers kind of thing or something else entirely?
I've been working on compilers, WAP browsers and crypto since I got
here. I'd love to have a go working on kernel stuff or device drivers.
What I'd really
Redvers Davies wrote:
Is that a change in conditions such that you have to give 3 months notice
or that you don't have a termination clause such that you sign up on a
rolling 3 month contract.
I'm coming to the end of my 3 month probabtion period. AFter that,
becuase I work for the RnD part
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
I'm not sure. I don't think I've ever known this. I'm hoping that
someone woh a) bought it or b) is sitting next to it will be able to
leap in with this information.
[alex@penderel alex]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id :
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
ok i was a bit late ;)
--
Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, you wrote:
[gem@penderel gem]$ cat /proc/meminfo
total:used:free: shared: buffers: cached:
Mem: 130895872 125063168 5832704 46772224 63795200 15314944
Swap: 271392768 6909952 264482816
MemTotal:127828 kB
if its of any intereset I was offered
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:34:11 +, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[upgrading penderel]
What's the current specs of the machine? (Just out of interest)
I'm not sure. I don't think I've ever known
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:41:57PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
[gem@penderel gem]$ df -h
FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda6 3.9G 879M 2.8G 24% /
/dev/sda1 7.6M 2.9M 4.2M 41% /boot
OK that'll be another disk or two then - if
Personally I'd be happier if we had mirrored disks in there.
I'd go for a backup system before a mirror, myself.
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:37:24PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Personally I'd be happier if we had mirrored disks in there.
I'd go for a backup system before a mirror, myself.
That could be good, too...
We definately need one of the two. (IMHO)
Michael
Well a tape drive would be
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 January 2001 14:41
Subject: Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:37:24PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Personally I'd be happier if we had mirrored disks in there.
I'd
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Big monitors on workstations are *not* rewards. They are essential
tools for the job. Anything smaller than 19" is rapidly approaching
too cramped for serious work. TFT monitors on workstations are
Who is planning to store data on penderel that they won't
have somewhere
else anyway. I don't think we should ever rely on our data
being there. I
have a local copy of everything that I have on other servers.
What about applications running on penderel that generate data? Even if what
they
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:52:54 -, "Jonathan Peterson"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could we create domains for every user and then put the zone files in
each person's home dir, with a SUID script to kick named?
Then I could have *.jon.penderel.state51.co.uk and be able to quickly
create
Hi all,
I've been lurking on the list for a while and am hoping to make the
meeting on the 1st.
Please excuse my ignorance with this question, but could someone outline
what services penderel provides to account holders ?
I've got 50 I'd be happy to contribute
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent the following bits through the ether:
I've got 50 I'd be happy to contribute but I'd like to know what it gets
me (other than a sense of satisfaction from furthering the perl cause :-)
Well, I'd suggest a donation to YAS (yetanother.org) would be better
if
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:15:29 -0500 (EST), I wrote:
Basically, you get an account on a server which is permanently
connected to the web.
Net! I meant net, goddamit. I'm very tired and have been absorbing too
much media that doesn't know the difference.
I'm sorry. I'll go and have a lie
Who is planning to store data on penderel that they won't
have somewhere
else anyway. I don't think we should ever rely on our data
being there. I
have a local copy of everything that I have on other servers.
So, we need only buy two more of whatever size disk we want in there, and
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:52:54 -, "Jonathan Peterson"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could we create domains for every user and then put the zone files in
each person's home dir, with a SUID script to kick named?
Then I could have
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 01:28:21PM +, Robin Houston wrote:
Hope you enjoyed it...
Yes, I did.
Heres the URL to the IP location project I mentioned yesterday, by the way:
http://www.networldmap.com/
--
Niklas Nordebo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Per Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 618,
Title: RE: Hardware Upgrade Fund
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm quite happy to provide some money, but I'd much prefer to do a direct bank cash transfer (through online banking) I don't know if you'd want to publicise your bank acvcount details on the list, but if this is all going
Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether:
Sounds like a table at the New World one lunchtime...
OK. We might as well do this quickly, how about Monday 12.30 at the
New World restaurant in Chinatown. Everyone who is vaguely interested
in a Perl Consultancy of some sort is
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:42:19PM +, Neil Ford wrote:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:37:24PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Personally I'd be happier if we had mirrored disks in there.
I'd go for a backup system before a mirror, myself.
That could be good, too...
We definately
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:33:57 +, Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On or about Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:29:18AM -0500, Dave Cross typed:
So I'm looking for advice on the best distro to use.
What are you planning to do on the box?
It'll be purely for home use, so:
* Hacking
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:52:54PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
I'm happy to set this up if anyone is interested (although, frankly, you'd
be mad to let me anywhere near a root password and a copy of bind)
Heh. djbdns is, despite being a bernsteinism, very good. For values of
'very good'
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Go for it. Give it your best shot.
Mandrake 7.2.
--
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com
Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well,
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:31:00PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:52:54PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
I'm happy to set this up if anyone is interested (although, frankly, you'd
be mad to let me anywhere near a root password and a copy of bind)
Heh. djbdns is,
On or about Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:39:47AM -0500, Dave Cross typed:
It'll be purely for home use, so:
I'd use Debian 'cos I like it. Downside: latest versions of stuff
aren't usually available as packages. Upside: doesn't mess you about
the way the Windowsy distributions (RH, SuSE) do.
R
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:29:18AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
So I'm looking for advice on the best distro to use. Bear in mind that
the existing box will currently become a firewall/proxy box so I'll
do all the paranoid security stuff on there.
Go for it. Give it your best shot.
Let battle
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:48:03PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:43:28PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:31:00PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
Heh. djbdns is, despite being a bernsteinism, very good. For values of
'very good' which are
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 04:02:01PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
On or about Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:58:41PM +, Richard Clamp typed:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:44:42PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
I'd use Debian 'cos I like it. Downside: latest versions of stuff
aren't usually
David Cantrell wrote:
However, I don't believe it supports some of the more weird DNS entries
you can have like HINFO and LOC records.
You learn fast young Grasshopper. Oh, wait. You weren't there last
night.
http://www.2shortplanks.com/simon/ip2ll/2.html
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether:
And thought ... would it be big performance hit if I did this through
AUTOLOAD.
Right, that does it. The next two talks I'm gonna do will be
"Introduction to Benchmarking with Perl and the Bechmark module" and
"Introduction to Testing
What I do:
For a workstation, Mandrake.
For a server, Slackware.
Once you've done the install forget that rpm existed and do everything
from source.
Red
On Jan 18, 4:28pm, Leo Lapworth wrote:
Ok, it's all a pipedream.. but what a nice one.
It sounds like an excellent idea. In fact, I've even got as far as
writing a (fledgling) business plan for such a venture based around
Template Toolkit-ish web development, support and consultancy. It's
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:02:23 +, Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was just typing this ...
# Unsigned int 8bit
sub ui8() { my $self; = shift; $self-UI8()}
# Unsigned int 16bit
sub ui16() { my $self; = shift; $self-UI16() }
sub Word() { my $self; = shift;
* at 19/01 16:12 + Redvers Davies said:
All I'll say about mandrake is that we have a mandrake box at work and
when you run printtool the cdrom ejects.
You couldn't do an strace on that so we see what causes that could you?
I would have thought a hardware conflict would be the most
Dave Cross wrote:
*ui8 = \U18;
*ui16 = \UI16;
*Word = \UI16;
*word = \UI16;
That's the ticket.
Brain still fried today.
Jonathan Stowe [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*
* Speaking of DNS, did we ever hear anything from the pm.org DNS people?
*
*
*Not from my initial e-mail - I have fired off another today and hope that
*we might get some action.
As far as I know, Ben Hockenhull is still doing DNS for the PM box
Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* at 19/01 14:44 + Dave Hodgkinson said:
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Go for it. Give it your best shot.
Mandrake 7.2.
All I'll say about mandrake is that we have a mandrake box at work and
when you run printtool the cdrom
On Jan 19, 9:39am, Steve Mynott wrote:
THC isn't water soluble at all which is why you have to dissolve the
stuff in hot fat before cooking it.
I belive that's true, but according to the paper I just found, presumably
the one Paul was referring to, the paper suggests that some THC *is* lost
Andy Wardley wrote:
On Jan 18, 4:28pm, Leo Lapworth wrote:
Ok, it's all a pipedream.. but what a nice one.
It sounds like an excellent idea. In fact, I've even got as far as
writing a (fledgling) business plan for such a venture based around
Template Toolkit-ish web development,
Robin Houston wrote:
Although the best solution would (obviously) be to
use Symbol::Approx::Sub with an appropriate matcher :-)
[simon@ns0 simon]$ cat globtest
#!/usr/bin/perl
*foo = \UI;
UI16();
UI32();
SI402();
foo12();
sub UI () {
print $_[0],"\n";
}
sub SI() {
print
* at 19/01 16:33 - Robert Shiels said:
What are you planning to do on the box?
It'll be purely for home use, so:
* Hacking perl
* Prototyping web sites
* Playing with new toys like AxKit and Camelot
* Write
* Surf the web
* Read mail
* Play the occasional game
*
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:33:40 -, "Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
What are you planning to do on the box?
It'll be purely for home use, so:
* Hacking perl
* Prototyping web sites
* Playing with new toys like AxKit and Camelot
* Write
* Surf the web
*
At 14:55 19/01/01, Neil Ford wrote:
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mmmm... so, when are we going to have a meeting about all this?
Well seeing as I will be amongst the great unwashed from next week,
anytime soon would be good.
AOLMe too!/AOL
At 15:49 19/01/01, Dave Cross wrote:
I'd love to come along, but probably wouldn't have time to get there
and back during lunch. Can we do it one evening?
An evening would be better for me, too...
Natalie
Seriously, my current machine is a PentiumPro 200 Mhz and that's
getting so frustrating that I knew I needed a new machine and I
always buy the fastest I can so it will last as long as possible.
Was it a self-congratulations pressie for the publication of your book.
Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether:
Sounds like a table at the New World one lunchtime...
OK. We might as well do this quickly, how about Monday 12.30 at the
New World restaurant in Chinatown. Everyone who is vaguely
On 19 Jan 2001, Piers Cawley wrote:
Put me down for that. Might bring Gill as well.
It seems like every tom dick and harry's other half is called Gill around
here :)
/J\
--
Jonathan Stowe |
http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one
Piers Cawley wrote:
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Andy Wardley wrote:
On Jan 18, 4:28pm, Leo Lapworth wrote:
Ok, it's all a pipedream.. but what a nice one.
It sounds like an excellent idea. In fact, I've even got as far as
writing a (fledgling) business plan for
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 03:32:53PM +, Paul Mison wrote:
On 15/01/2001 at 21:12 +, mallum wrote:
^
Your clock's wrong...
Maybe he's just really obsessed with Rush...
dha
--
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, you wrote:
I can do 200% as much work at home because I can work when and as I feel
able to and so work when I am my most productive.
well having spent the last year telecommuting I can affirm that it does
let you sometimes work at phenomeonal rates
But I also can see
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 05:04:54PM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
I'm *really* unsure about telecommuting. Seems to me that the way to
really build a team (especially when doing serious development) is to
have people in the same room;
Plus there's too many distractions at home. Even if you live
Piers Cawley wrote:
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Piers Cawley wrote:
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Andy Wardley wrote:
On Jan 18, 4:28pm, Leo Lapworth wrote:
Ok, it's all a pipedream.. but what a nice one.
It sounds like an excellent
David Cantrell wrote:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 05:04:54PM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
I'm *really* unsure about telecommuting. Seems to me that the way to
really build a team (especially when doing serious development) is to
have people in the same room;
Plus there's too many
From: Paul Makepeace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
From: "David Cantrell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is a million considered a lot in the UK still?
Not by people who can add up.
OK, same here then. Having said that, it's amazing how much people can
stretch a few $currency_unit if they
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, you wrote:
That should read there's too many distractions at home for me (or
you as the case may be).
im with greg on this one :)
although I can see that some project would need 5 day a week attendance
at some stages I am not convinced that that is the only way to
From: "Steve Mynott" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
THC isn't water soluble at all which is why you have to dissolve the
stuff in hot fat before cooking it.
It is soluble, especially in smoke form. Perhaps not *miscible* but certainly
it'll end up in suspension. Not much admittedly, but it is and crucially
On Sat, 06 Jan 2001, I wrote:
arse ... // ok .. so ive been sending mail dated for a different
week .slap I hate it when it does that. moral of the story is
don;t turn your machine off when you go on holiday for a month and leave
it in freezing temperature as it will get amnesia .. and remeber
From: "alex" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[1] My first name is actually Christopher, but handily my parents changed
their minds after registering my birth and decided to call me by my middle
name.
[Oddly enough, same here. I'm Chris Paul ... It's an absolute pain in the
arse. Note to parents: don't do
From: "Michael Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And, of course, there's the obvious downside of following the unstable
branch of anything...
Except with Debian in my four years of using unstable I haven't had a single
(serious) problem. The times when they've occasionally messed up dependencies
I've
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