On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 02:09:56PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
Technical Meeting: Thursday 21st June
Need a venue for this please people. And speakers. If any speakers want to
practise TPC or YAPC::E talks, then this might be a good time to do it.
Since I've already practiced my
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:28:20AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But I could do something about Perl regular expressions and
algorithmic complexity. That would be fun :-)
Robin, can we have a whip round and pay you NOT to do it? My head
always
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:55:20PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
The New Labour version starts like this:
The people's flag is lightest pink,
It's not as red as you might think.
How things have changed.
'Mr Heseltine, whose mane of golden hair has given him the nickname
of Tarzan,
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:30:28PM +0100, Barry Pretsell wrote:
It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions
of Programming Perl) and I'm tempted to give it a go, so any Safari
subscribers out there with an opinion?
Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://corvin.spb.ru/
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 06:05:44AM +1000, Damian Conway wrote:
Im nogat samting til ridim insait long pastaim Klingon!
Damian (longlong tisa Perlpela)
Lingua::TokPisin::Perlpela?
.robin.
--
Have you been certain you came to me the real reason explain anything
else that I came to you the
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 01:19:27PM +0200, Merijn Broeren wrote:
My pike loving friend was amused to see Perl and Python trounced. But
the testing rig was written in Perl at least.
I was astounded by the performance of Ocaml.
Being forced by an insane lecturer to debug an obfuscated Ocaml
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:06:45PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:04:47PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:
Statement:
(And _boy_ can you write obfuscated Ocaml programs if you try!
User-definable infix operators are an especially nice touch in
that regard
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:28:13PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
But the question is, are they generating C code from Ocaml code
and compiling it,
I don't think so. I think the Ocaml compiler compiles directly to
machine code. But what difference does it make, ultimately?
this would explain
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:05:25AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
Loved the footnote on page 78.
Thanks very much. It's one of my favourite jokes. It was trialed at a
london.pm technical meeting some months ago :)
What's the footnote on page 78, Dave?
.robin.
--
A man, a plan, a
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:06:42PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the
bioinformatics revolution?
I've always thought it sounded like fun.
How does one go about joining the bioinformatics revolution, then?
.robin.
--
It
On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 04:55:47PM +0100, Barbie wrote:
So far, demonstrations of quantum computing have been limited to the most
rudimentary of calculations, involving only two or three bits of
information.
I'm sure Damian could them straight on that one ;-P
Hmm, I think Damian's module
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 09:16:25AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
#!/usr/bin/perl -w # how to (ab)use substr
use strict;
my $pi='3.14159210535152623346475240375062163750446240333543375062';
Well, it's more just taking advantage of the fact that most people
don't
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:35:29PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
kind of off topic but how do you get things like ^M and such like into
a file for, say, writing vi macros?
perl -e 'print \cM' my-file
;-)
.robin.
ps. Dominic's already given a proper answer...
--
Flee to me, remote elf!
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 08:55:16AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote:
On the subject of music (despite the Subject: of movies) ... anyone
here into trad. Irish instrumental music?
I'm rather fond of Sharon Shannon.
Does she count?
.robin.
--
select replace(a, CHR(88), replace(a,,''))
On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:47:25AM +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote:
Off the top of my head:
ICA bar, Match (Noho/Farringdon/Sosho), lab (on Old Compton St.), aka...
also heard about Smiths of Smithfield, but never been there.
Dunno about Sun afternoon opening on all those...
The ICA bar is
http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/03/wall.html
Some quite exciting stuff in there. Array dereferencing will be
@foo[23] rather than $foo[23]. Everything will be an object (or at
least work like one). No more typeglobs. User-definable quoting
operators.
And much, much more!
.robin.
--
I dreamt
Any comments before I send this off?
.robin.
Type: talk
Duration: 40 mins
Title: Mutagenic Modules
Slides (draft version): http://London.pm.org/~robin/semantic-talk/0.title.html
Abstract:
It's possible to write a Perl module which will change the meaning of
subsequent code in some way.
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:31:16PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
Does anyone? Every time I've used Oracle, it's been installed by someone
else who was supposedly an expert. Although I remain to be convinced that
any of them really *was* an expert.
I've installed Oracle a few times, and I'm
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 01:32:24PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Ian Brayshaw wrote:
it's the internal workings of require that stop the tie
from being honoured. I presume that the require burrows
down into the internals and isn't aware that it's a tie'd
handle. As far as I can tell the
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:32:47AM +1000, Ian Brayshaw wrote:
Sometimes, however, no recompilation is necessary, and so I'd like
to return a filehandle that evaluates to true (in the 'do file' sense of
evaluates)
Is there a way to do this without creating a dummy file (i.e. can we do
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:14:02PM -0500, will wrote:
An old boss of mine wanted a domain that was expiring in a few weeks once so
he ran a cron task that checked the status of the domain every hour and
automatically registered it when it became available.
That's how we got kitsite.com,
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:57:01PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
Funny. You've come across the same idea I did.
http://simon-cozens.org/pg.pdf
Having now read your paper, I think that in some ways it's the
*opposite* idea; or at least a complementary one.
You want to take arbitrary languages,
Do we yet know if there's going to be a data projector for
the tech meeting? If not, will there be _any_ kind of mechanism
for showing things to people? (OHP, blackboard, whatever)
.robin.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 02:30:01PM +0100, Richard Clamp wrote:
Now all that remains is me remebering to bring it tomorrow.
Cool :-)
Now I've got no excuse for not finishing my slides... :/
.robin.
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On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 02:38:26PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
Maybe Robin would care to comment on this :)
http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/p5pdigest/THISWEEK-20010408.html#Robin_Hous
ton_Left_On_ALL_WEEK
I don't have a lot of time on my hands; I work quickly ;-)
I also have a
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:34:17PM +0100, Dean wrote:
Your right, the perls are the same ActiveState are just a lot more aware of
what the OS can do and lacks the ability to do and tries to compensate for
them. If you have a stocked Windows box with nmake, VC++ and a bit of time
you can get
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:36:08PM +0100, Dean wrote:
Whats MPW?
Macintosh Programmers' Workshop. Delicious...
Does OS X come with GNU tools like GCC and make then?
Yes (on the optional developers CD)
.robin.
--
Are we not drawn onward, we few, drawn onward to new era?
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three
longer talks.
I'd like to give a (preferably "longer") talk about parsing and
semantic transformation of Perl code. I promise to think of a
less scary
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:00:08AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
I'm as liberal as anyone here as far as creativity, expression,
society and the rest go, but there are certain fundamentals that you
need before you can go out and break the rules. Like having the
musical basics before you go
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:25:50PM +0100, Clarke, Darren wrote:
Sorry all - this is a test... :P
Bloomin' Outlook HTML ... *grumble*
It's coming through as multipart/alternative, which is fine IMO.
People with broken mail clients may disagree :-)
.robin.
--
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On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:09:02PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
[...] the HTML hanger on serves no purpose except to consume
my disk space at 4 times the rate.
You mean you *archive* this bollocks?
:-)
.robin. (reads london-pm with the 'D' key)
--
Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas!
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 01:36:54PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
Did you all know that i used to blow up pressurised butane
cannisters as a child?
We *all* used to do *that* :-)
.robin.
--
A man, a plan, a cat, a ham, a yak, a yam, a hat, a canal--Panama!
--Guy Jacobson
That's the most addled thing I've seen for a long, long time.
Congratulations!
.robin.
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail.
That's exactly the problem. And what if you crash after the
first COMMIT?
This is not an easy problem. The usual solution is
called "two-phase commit". See
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:16:07PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
I'd also add that Java, to my eyes, seems dreadfully uncooperative. Is it
really as hard as it seems to get a non Java program to talk to j2ee stuff?
Or is it all just part of the Java marketing? Is it me or is COM actually
Is the intention simply that it be possible to use modules
which aren't available locally?
If so, you could do something like:
- use request is passed to module server
- module server "require"s module (will do nothing if it's already
been required. That's a good thing)
- server
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:59:40PM +, Greg Cope wrote:
I was thinking about this the otherday - can you recommend some (pref
open source) Java regex libs ?
OROMatcher.
http://jakarta.apache.org/oro/index.html
There's also gnu.regexp, for LGPL fans:
http://www.cacas.org/~wes/java/
Both
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:35:33AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk
proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)
What does it do?
.robin.
--
Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas!
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Can Perl do distributed database transactions?
probably .. simple multi threaded app, fork a few child processes,
establish the odd DBI connection, execute a query each return when
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:14:22PM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
%e seems to be Linux specific. %d works on both Linux and Windows.
Not Linux-specific, it's part of the Single Unix Specification.
Point taken about Win32.
.robin.
--
select replace(a, CHR(88), replace(a,,'')) from (
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 01:29:57PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
my @th=(qw(th st nd rd),("th")x16)x2; $th[31]="st";
That's an evil and gross hack.
sub th{(($_[0]-10-$_[0]%10)/10%10)?(qw(th st nd rd),('th')x6)[$_[0]%10]:"th"}
TIMTOWTDI, thank ghod ;-)
.robin.
--
"It really
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 05:40:19PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Well, remember that the sub effecticaly recalculates (what amounts to) the
array each time. To be fair, you should include the array initialisation
inside the loop and see who wins then.
Hey, that's not _fair_!
The whole point of
On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 05:40:21PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
and I can tell you that ezscripts.org is still available
There is already a site called ezscripts though:
http://www.bytchandbytes.com/ezscripts/
Simplescripts is http://www.simplescripts.co.uk/ - they
sell perl scripts
On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 05:48:42PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
and for a bonus half point (cos its easy) .. why was HAL called HAL?
Supposedly because
join ("", map chr(1+ord), split"", "HAL") eq "IBM"
though apparently that's accidental.
"When someone pointed out the spurious
association
On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 06:05:21PM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
AEF sent the following bits through the ether:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Love and fruit flies,
I only really want /one/ of those things...
Really? How many flies do you have?
There's an interactive fruit fly
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:40:18AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
I really think I should drop the author a polite note offering him a
patch or three.
A patch? It needs taking outside and shooting!
package Date::MMDDYY;
use strict;
use vars qw(@ISA @EXPORT_OK);
require Exporter;
@ISA =
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:07:28PM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
This isn't such a crazy idea. People keep on complaining about the
quality of modules on CPAN. So pick a random one and make it better
;-P
Well, with a module like Date::MMDDYY the implementation
_is_ broken - it uses gmtime()
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 01:38:41PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anybody know if LWP::Simple allow for un@pw:url convention?
Yes it does.
Wouldn't it have been quicker to try it than to write that
message? ;-)
.robin.
--
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 02:59:13PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
Well, isn't being precise part of being a programmer? "Pedantic" is
basically just "precise", only a little more extreme. But "you can't just
make sh*t up and expect the computer to understand what you want,
Retardo!"[1] --
Nice. I'm sure it can easily be shortened some more.
Without even understanding what it does, it seems pretty clear
that we can shave 2 bytes by changing:
$_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){
into
$_='$/=\2048;while(STDIN){
Any more obvious shavings?
.robin.
--
Satan, oscillate my
On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 04:44:54PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
Try posting to Fun With Perl; they like playing golf there.
What do you think I did, immediately after posting here? :-)
FWP is so bloody slow though, that it hasn't got there yet
AFAICT...
.robin.
--
God! a red nugget: a fat
On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 02:57:45PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Can anyone remember the URL for the thesis generator that Damian Conway
mentioned in his talk?
http://dev.null.org/dadaengine/
http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/DadaEngine
.robin.
--
Satan, oscillate my metallic
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 11:38:40PM +1100, Ian Brayshaw wrote:
I'm new to the discussion of Perl6, so are there any discussions around
providing operators such as wantlvalue and wantvoid
to perform similar queries to wantarray?
Yes. Damian has proposed
http://dev.perl.org/rfc/21.html
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 10:50:26PM +1100, Ian Brayshaw wrote:
Given the following lvalue subroutine
sub mysub : lvalue {
$value;
}
is there any way for mysub() to be able to determine that it
was called in an lvalue context?
Yeah there is, but you're not going
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 02:39:35PM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
(I note that, in the slide, ()^0.5 is refered to as U_SRN. Presumably
because the idea gives the mathematicians headaches too, so they hide
it slightly behind another symbol)
Apparently SRN stands for "Square Root of Not", so
I've also found
http://www.sigmaxi.org/amsci/issues/comsci95/compsci95-07.html
"The Square Root of NOT"
which seems to be a good non-experts introduction to *real* QC.
.robin.
I just bought a Mars bar, and it's
*drum roll*
sixty-five grams!
.robin.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 05:48:27PM +, Rob Partington wrote:
They already did that on IRC! Keep up, that man!
I'm trying to cut down on IRC. It's becoming too distracting.
But you miss so much by not being there.
robin irc+-
.robin.
--
"Do nine men interpret?" "Nine men," I nod.
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 10:17:42AM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
[...] summaries of #london.pm traffic :)
Now _there's_ an idea :-)
Is anyone feeling really, really bored?
.robin.
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 03:26:27PM -, Robert Shiels wrote:
I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed.
Add this handy alias to your ~/.bashrc and you'll be able to
find out whenever you like :-)
alias lsmodules='perldoc -m perllocal | perl -nle '\''print $1 if /L(.*?)/'\''
On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 04:07:34PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
-l will tell we whether it's a symlink, but I can't see any way of telling
what it points to
perldoc -f readlink
.robin.
On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 07:29:53AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
I've been investigating places to hold Damian's meeting and I've already
got some interesting leads (the Conway Hall looks like it might well
work out!)
Conway Hall would be a great venue, for the name alone!
It can't be too
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:27:16PM +, Struan Donald wrote:
* at 02/02 12:29 + Jonathan Stowe said:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
Any questions?
Yeah, can I have a pony ?
what is it with ponys?
I've wondered that too.
Seems to be a #perl obsession...
.robin.
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:40:18PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
purl pony
[purl] pony is replyGimme a Pony! Pony! Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony
Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony
Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony!
robin literal pony pony pony
purl robin: pony pony pony
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:18:04AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
I can't get onto any of rhizomatic.net. Is anyone else having problems?
Not I.
London tolerates my caresses.
Bullfrog seems to be doing some spletnit shenannigans though.
.robin.
--
Straw? No, too stupid a fad! I put soot on
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 05:01:37AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
Within the script, the lines output to different files depending on
a $type data field. The files are used like this:
my $fh = "FH$type";
open $fh, "=$streamnum{$type}" or die $!;
print $fh "some data from the input file";
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 02:24:08PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
Michael Stevens wrote:
You could give out urls with the usernames and passwords in?
Were you thinking of
http://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pics/drunkenperlmongers.jpg ? No
such thing; RTFRFC for more info.
There may well be
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:57:20AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
[...] brain surgery tech support [...]
Have you got the number?
I'm having a spot of bother with my hypothalamus.
.robin.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 02:32:21PM +, Struan Donald wrote:
er... this unweldy thing would seem to be it:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/4045/107-2581489-8245353
A handy hint for amazon URLs: you can knock off the long number
on the end, and the thing will still work.
On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 08:13:11PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
Hmm. Can you do something to save directly via scp?
http://ls6-www.informatik.uni-dortmund.de/~grossjoh/emacs/tramp.html
.robin.
--
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On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 06:50:59AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
This is all a fine plan, but it doesn't prevent external people from
achiving us in the same way that mail-archive do. I really don't think
there's a foolproof way to prevent it.
I doubt that's a serious problem.
I assume that
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 07:02:48AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
I wonder what mail-archive would do if we just unsubbed their bot?
Nothing, presumably.
I don't think that mail-archive subbed their bot to the list -
I think someone from here must have done it. They seem like a
decent bunch, and
Well, this discussion has been beaten to death on IRC,
so I feel like I'm repeating myself here. But for the
public record: ;-)
- This is a public list. Anyone can subscribe using an advertised
address.
- We're not plotting to bring down the government.
- "Information wants to be free." Old
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 04:35:17PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
I wonder if anyone has written a novel in Latex?
That sounds like a challenge to me :-)
You have to set it in Computer Modern as well though.
.robin.
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 05:11:25PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
Much as I love Computer Modern for technical work, using it for fiction
would just be WRONG WRONG WRONG.
In a good way :-)
.robin.
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:42:58PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Exercise: Implement the "except the last" in a regex :-)
Extra points for squeezing it into a single regex rather than
a while / $' solution
s/\.(?=.*\.)/_/g;
.robin.
--
Are we not drawn onward, we few, drawn onward to new
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 05:10:57PM +, alex wrote:
there is only one right way, and that's to give people the choice.
that's what i do, and in my experience the majority prefer to have their
reply-to's munged on discussive lists such as this one.
I wonder whether that's really true, or
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 12:59:56PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Just to reinforce the point that this OS is a steaming pile of crap
Aww c'mon! RedHat was obviously targeted because it's the most
widely used! None of the vulnerable software was written by RH
(and all of it was also included in
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 11:47:44AM +, Redvers Davies wrote:
And possibly some welsh... The welsh word "drwg" (pronounced the english
way is "droog") and means 'Bad, naughty, evil, wicked' etc.
Anthony Burgess spoke fluent Welsh (his first wife was Welsh),
so I'd have thought that was
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 08:47:52AM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
Yes. I converted a little script I have that puts some stuff into a database
to use LRP.
[snip interesting discussion]
Can we see the result? I'm fascinated...
.robin.
--
"You are bound to be in a state of mental unrest,
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 08:09:55AM -0500, Alex Page wrote:
IANAL, but AFAIK parody is protected under trademark law, as long as
you're not making profit (I presume beer money for the hassle of
T-shirt making is excusable).
IANAL either, but I think it's quite complicated.
"More interestingly
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 02:29:38PM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
How would the user get round this? I mean sure they could if they had
access to the source code but ...
I'm writing something at the moment that's got lots of
sub do_summat
{
my ($self, $userid, $arg1, $arg2) = @_;
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 05:17:08PM +, Marcel Grunauer wrote:
Sounds like the business. There have been quite a number of Perl modules
lately that are more about the syntax and the way the language is being
used than for any specific tasks, such as:
Lingua::Romana::Perligata :-)
I
In the "Directory to Data Structure" thread, there's been some
talk of a value which is a list *and* a hash, so you can have
a structure like
$dirstruct{'mydir'}-['file1.txt', 'file2.txt']
$dirstruct{'mydir'}-{'anotherdir'}-['file3.txt', 'file4.txt']
and there was talk of tie().
But really
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:56:32PM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
... a cryptic Perl 3 liner (which I couldn't get to work) ...
See http://www.cypherspace.org/~adam/rsa/ for an explanation
of that particular cryptic 3-liner :-)
.robin.
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Santa, oscillate my metallic soatnas!
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