Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

[Struan Donald]

* at 17/04 14:09 +0100 Mark Fowler said:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Struan Donald wrote:
> > surely there should be a better way than this? after all the
> > combinations involved are quite numerous. is the notion of something
> > that does :
> > 
> > #!/bin/sh
> > 
> > if [ -e /usr/bin/perl ]; then
> > exec './bin_perl.pl'
> > fi
> > 
> > or equivalent too silly? although not sure this sort of thing is possible
> > on non unix type systems. OTOH would at least cut down the number of
> > files that the person installing needs to worry about.
> 
> I don't particularly see the number of scripts this person is installing
> as a problem.  The key concept is that these scripts are designed so that
> someone who knows *nothing* about their system can basically upload them
> all then see which one works.  Once they've got this script working the
> script should contain instructions on how to modify any of the
> other scripts to work with their server.

it's not so much the number of scripts as the "try each of these
scripts till one works" situation i think we should be trying to
minimise. 
 
> I don't think what you're suggesting will work at all on windows.  Or pure
> mod_perl...

true. although the number of people using mod_perl who'll be using
these is debatable. windows is a problem though.

> Feel free to disagree, I'm just suggesting ideas here.  Honestly, I'm not
> sure what's the best way...

heck, anything that helps is better than the "your isp will know"
school of help.

struan

Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

[Mark Fowler]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Struan Donald wrote:
> * at 17/04 14:00 +0200 Philip Newton said:
> > Mark Fowler wrote:
> > >  3) Write a set of scripts that are all basically the same but have
> > > different #!/usr/bin/perl lines on the top and tell you the
> > with a bunch of different extensions such as .pl .plx .cgi for
> > combinations of "operating system" + web server that map scripts to
> > interpreters by extension and/or directory rather than by shebang line...
> surely there should be a better way than this? after all the
> combinations involved are quite numerous. is the notion of something
> that does :
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> 
> if [ -e /usr/bin/perl ]; then
> exec './bin_perl.pl'
> fi
> 
> or equivalent too silly? although not sure this sort of thing is possible
> on non unix type systems. OTOH would at least cut down the number of
> files that the person installing needs to worry about.

I don't particularly see the number of scripts this person is installing
as a problem.  The key concept is that these scripts are designed so that
someone who knows *nothing* about their system can basically upload them
all then see which one works.  Once they've got this script working the
script should contain instructions on how to modify any of the
other scripts to work with their server.

I don't think what you're suggesting will work at all on windows.  Or pure
mod_perl...

Feel free to disagree, I'm just suggesting ideas here.  Honestly, I'm not
sure what's the best way...

Later.

Mark.

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Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

[Struan Donald]

* at 17/04 14:00 +0200 Philip Newton said:
> Mark Fowler wrote:
> >  3) Write a set of scripts
> 
> ...with a bunch of different extensions such as .pl .plx .cgi for
> combinations of "operating system" + web server that map scripts to
> interpreters by extension and/or directory rather than by shebang line...
> 
> >that are all basically the same but have
> > different #!/usr/bin/perl lines on the top and tell you the
> > information that you might need to know about the server. 
> > For example what version of perl you're running, what the current
> > working directory is, what the permissions on the directories 
> > are, etc, etc.

surely there should be a better way than this? after all the
combinations involved are quite numerous. is the notion of something
that does :

#!/bin/sh

if [ -e /usr/bin/perl ]; then
exec './bin_perl.pl'
fi

or equivalent too silly? although not sure this sort of thing is possible
on non unix type systems. OTOH would at least cut down the number of
files that the person installing needs to worry about.

struan

Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

[Philip Newton]

Mark Fowler wrote:
>  3) Write a set of scripts

...with a bunch of different extensions such as .pl .plx .cgi for
combinations of "operating system" + web server that map scripts to
interpreters by extension and/or directory rather than by shebang line...

>that are all basically the same but have
> different #!/usr/bin/perl lines on the top and tell you the
> information that you might need to know about the server. 
> For example what version of perl you're running, what the current
> working directory is, what the permissions on the directories 
> are, etc, etc.

Cheers,
Philip
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Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

[jo walsh]

>  4) Install Apache::Template, Bundle-XML, Template Toolkit 2.02 on penderel
> I think this has already been mostly done, but I could be wrong.

after much grappling with CPAN shell trying to upgrade us to 5.6.1,
this is all done now, though a couple of newer versions of XML modules -
not the crucial ones - failed tests, i didn't want to force. let me know
if there's anything you want or need missing,

jo

Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

[Mark Fowler]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Struan Donald wrote:
  
> > I'll also be able to give a quick status update on the website for NMS
> > (probably at the same time as I'll be using it as my example)
> 
> what is the status of the NMS thing. i'm liable to have some spare time
> over the weekend so if there's anything that needs doing on this i could
> have a bash.

Just to preempt all I was going to say next technical meeting ;-)

Website is going fairly well, if not slowly.  The backend bits for
churning out the HTML are nearly done (or will be nearly done by the time
the technical meeting.)  I'm trying to get it so that we only have a
few core files to maintain (perhaps only one or two a script) and
that everything else is automagic. 

For the design itself: Celia did some rough plans for how the site should
function (with justifications) and I've been playing around with these and
trying to implement them.  I'm not going to make it very pretty, but I
will make it so that it's easy to prettify it at a later date altering
the templates behind it.

Here a list of things that could do with being done if anyone's got some
spare time:

 1) Come up with a name.  Something that isn't Not Matt's Scripts.

 2) Come up with a logo that will go at the top of the page.  Currently
we're trying for a vaguely corporate look to the whole thing.  I was 
thinking something like a Bodoni version of the name (but not that 
because that's been done to death)

 3) Write a set of scripts that are all basically the same but have
different #!/usr/bin/perl lines on the top and tell you the
information that you might need to know about the server.  For example
what version of perl you're running, what the current working
directory is, what the permissions on the directories are, etc, etc.
 
 4) Install Apache::Template, Bundle-XML, Template Toolkit 2.02 on penderel 
I think this has already been mostly done, but I could be wrong.

 5) Write some step by step instructions for installing this stuff on
Windows because I have no idea how to do this.  Simon B, you agreed to
do this right?

 6) Stop inviting me to the pub when I should be doing work.

Later.

Mark.

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NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

[Struan Donald]

* at 11/04 08:28 +0100 Mark Fowler said:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
>
 

 
> I'll also be able to give a quick status update on the website for NMS
> (probably at the same time as I'll be using it as my example)

what is the status of the NMS thing. i'm liable to have some spare time
over the weekend so if there's anything that needs doing on this i could
have a bash.

struan

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Mark Fowler]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:

> As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three
> longer talks.

I could do a lightening talk on playing around with skinning stuff with
Template Toolkit's brand spanking new VIEW directive.  This would be very
quick as we've seen Andy do this kind of thing before in the pre-release
version.  I'd be skinning XML again in my example, but this time I'd be
using XML::XPath...

I'll also be able to give a quick status update on the website for NMS
(probably at the same time as I'll be using it as my example)

Later.

Mark.

(Who thinks this is almost a show 'n' tell situation)

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RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Paul Mison]

On 10/04/2001 at 10:55 +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
>From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one.
>
>There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between one and five of
>them :)
>
>Are the designs on the web anywhere? Paul? Dave? Anyone?

Yes, but I'm keeping them hidden for the grand unveiling. Of course, if
anyone else stumbles across the location and/or IRC logs and feels like
posting them, I can hardly stop them, but maybe we should use the fact
people have forgotten to build up a sense of mystique?

Neil mentioned the colours- I'm just about to trawl my archive and send
them directly to Simon (as I've been doing for bits and bats all
morning... no need to make the list far too busy).

--
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:: how fickle fate can be

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Richard Clamp]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:31:11PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> At 22:10 09/04/2001, Neil Ford wrote:
> >On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> > >
> > > If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical 
> > meeting
> > > on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
> > > 7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
> > > soon.
> > >
> >Ummm forewarned is forearmed Nat and I might not be able to make this
> >which means getting hold of the projector might be a problem :-(
> >
> >If someone wants to pop down to West Sussex to collect it they are more than
> >welcome, unfortunately I'm not travelling into London as much as I was.
> 
> Neil,
> 
> Thanks for warning me.
> 
> Does anyone want to take on the task of being projector monitor and picking 
> it up from Sussex?

Sure, I'll polish up the terrorist-mobile[1].

Someone mail me off-list with some instructions.

[1] Which contrary to what Micheal J Fox thinks, will do 90, eventually.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Robin Houston]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three
> longer talks.

I'd like to give a (preferably "longer") talk about parsing and
semantic transformation of Perl code. I promise to think of a
less scary title, and try not to say "semantic transformation".

Should take about 20 minutes.

 .robin.

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RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Paul Mison]

On 10/04/2001 at 10:55 +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
>From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one.
>
>There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between one and five of
>them :)
>
>Are the designs on the web anywhere? Paul? Dave? Anyone?

Yes, but I'm keeping them hidden for the grand unveiling. Of course, if
anyone else stumbles across the location and/or IRC logs and feels like
posting them, I can hardly stop them, but maybe we should use the fact
people have forgotten to build up a sense of mystique?

Neil mentioned the colours- I'm just about to trawl my archive and send
them directly to Simon (as I've been doing for bits and bats all
morning... no need to make the list far too busy).

--
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:: how fickle fate can be

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Matthew Byng-Maddick]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
> > > I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
> > > doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.
> > Can we all join in?
> yes the hitch in the t-shirt plan seems to be Mr Cantrell, so i think 
> we all need to
>   smack our hitch up
> ;-)

That was kind of what I meant.

MBM (any excuse :)

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[David Cantrell]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:04:07AM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:

> Do we need to dig up the original meeting notes regarding .pm/colour
> combinations or is Simon to 'wing it'?

I forwarded it to him, along with the designs that Paul did.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Leon Brocard]

dcross - David Cross sent the following bits through the ether:

> Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,

Righto, I'd like to do talks on the following subjects:

  o Creating an optimising compiler and interpreter for a toy language
  o More Graphing Perl (crazy stuff Marcel and I have done)
  o Testing (Test, Test::Simple, Test::More, Test::Unit, Devel::Coverage)
  o Benchmarking (Benchmark, Devel::DProf, Devel::OpProf, Devel::SmallProf)
 
Of course, I'll actually be in the alps snowboarding[1], so this may
have to wait until the next technical meet[2] ;-)

[1] read this as "hurting"
[2] although you're welcome to steal the bottom two and do them
without me, sniff
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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Simon Wistow]

Neil Ford wrote:
 
> Do we need to dig up the original meeting notes regarding .pm/colour
> combinations or is Simon to 'wing it'?

Got em, cheers.

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Piers Cawley]

jo walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,
> > but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step
> > forward.
> 
> i recall promising to do 20 minutes on '101 fun things to do with
> Tangram', or something like that.

Swear at the maintainer who *still* hasn't put some stuff to allow for
schema changes during development without losing data.

-- 
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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Neil Ford]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:05:51AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> dcross - David Cross wrote:
>  
> > Mr Cantrell has them I believe.
> 
> I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
> doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.
> 
> And yea it shall be so.
> 
> Or something.
>  
> > You're missing the fact that by the meeting you'll have 9 more days of
> > progress to report :)
> 
> Umm, ok.
> 
> Simon
> 

Do we need to dig up the original meeting notes regarding .pm/colour
combinations or is Simon to 'wing it'?

Neil.
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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Greg McCarroll]

* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
> > dcross - David Cross wrote:
> > > Mr Cantrell has them I believe.
> > I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
> > doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.
> 
> Can we all join in?
> 

yes the hitch in the t-shirt plan seems to be Mr Cantrell, so i think 
we all need to

smack our hitch up

;-)


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RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[dcross - David Cross]

From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:19 AM

> > > might be nice to have status reports from:
> > >
> > * The t-shirt committee
>
> What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one.

There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between one and five of
them :)

Are the designs on the web anywhere? Paul? Dave? Anyone?

> http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/321a.html is a fairly new addition I
> think.

Been there for a few months. It's a top piece of code tho'.

Dave...

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Matthew Byng-Maddick]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
> dcross - David Cross wrote:
> > Mr Cantrell has them I believe.
> I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
> doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.

Can we all join in?

:)

MBM

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Robert Shiels]

> >
> > > might be nice to have status reports from:
> > >
> > > * The t-shirt committee
> >
What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/321a.html is a fairly new addition I
think.

/Robert

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Redvers Davies]

> Does anyone want to take on the task of being projector monitor and picking 
> it up from Sussex?

Normally I would but i'm buried under the New York contingent for the
next few weeks so can't really go anywhere.

Red

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Simon Wistow]

dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
> Mr Cantrell has them I believe.

I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.

And yea it shall be so.

Or something.
 
> You're missing the fact that by the meeting you'll have 9 more days of
> progress to report :)

Umm, ok.

Simon

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Struan Donald]

* at 10/04 09:15 +0100 Greg McCarroll said:
> * Marcel Grunauer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:56:28PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
> > > 
> > > nowhere we might be tempted to sit by the thames till the wee small
> > > hours generating tremendous hangovers :)
> > 
> > "sit"? IIRC, you tried to lean against a bench but unfortunately
> > were standing between two benches, landing on the ground face-down.
> > 
> 
> its a good job he had lots of `anasthetic' that night, or that would
> of really hurt

not at the time no :(

struan

RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[dcross - David Cross]

From: Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:17 AM

> Dave Cross wrote:
>  
> > I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else.
> > 
> > Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place.
> 
> Umm. Ok.
> 
> Somebody give me the designs and I'll get them printed.

Mr Cantrell has them I believe.

> Talk over.
> 
> Or am I missing something?

You're missing the fact that by the meeting you'll have 9 more days of
progress to report :)

Dave...

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Simon Wistow]

Dave Cross wrote:
 
> I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else.
> 
> Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place.

Umm. Ok.

Somebody give me the designs and I'll get them printed.

Talk over.

Or am I missing something?

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Marcel Grunauer]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:56:28PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
> 
> nowhere we might be tempted to sit by the thames till the wee small
> hours generating tremendous hangovers :)

"sit"? IIRC, you tried to lean against a bench but unfortunately
were standing between two benches, landing on the ground face-down.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Dave Cross]

At 22:10 09/04/2001, Neil Ford wrote:
>On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> >
> > If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical 
> meeting
> > on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
> > 7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
> > soon.
> >
>Ummm forewarned is forearmed Nat and I might not be able to make this
>which means getting hold of the projector might be a problem :-(
>
>If someone wants to pop down to West Sussex to collect it they are more than
>welcome, unfortunately I'm not travelling into London as much as I was.

Neil,

Thanks for warning me.

Does anyone want to take on the task of being projector monitor and picking 
it up from Sussex?

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Neil Ford]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> 
> If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical meeting
> on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
> 7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
> soon.
> 
Ummm forewarned is forearmed Nat and I might not be able to make this
which means getting hold of the projector might be a problem :-(

If someone wants to pop down to West Sussex to collect it they are more than
welcome, unfortunately I'm not travelling into London as much as I was.

Neil.
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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Dave Cross]

At 19:16 09/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
>On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
>
> > might be nice to have status reports from:
> >
> > * The t-shirt committee
>
>There has been movement on this!
>
>I, however, will not be able to attend cos I have a visitor from the
>darker regions of the galaxy.

I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else.

Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place.

Dave...



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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[David Cantrell]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:

> might be nice to have status reports from:
> 
> * The t-shirt committee

There has been movement on this!

I, however, will not be able to attend cos I have a visitor from the
darker regions of the galaxy.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[jo walsh]

> Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,
> but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step
> forward.

i recall promising to do 20 minutes on '101 fun things to do with
Tangram', or something like that.
am still happy to do this, but also happy to do less time if more people
want to do longer talks.

jo

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[alex]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for
> us, but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to
> step forward.

i'll do some more music for a bit.

alex

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Technical Meeting - 19th April

[dcross - David Cross]

If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical meeting
on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
soon.

Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,
but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step
forward. might be nice to have status reports from:

* The t-shirt committee
* The server committee
* The camel visitation committee[2]

As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three
longer talks.

Any questions?

Dave...

p.s Next social meeting is on Thur 3rd May. Suggestions for venues would be
most welcome.

[1] I know that some people raised objections to State 51 as a venue, but as
I didn't get any other suggestions I didn't really have much choice :(

[2] Bugger! That's me.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Struan Donald]

* at 09/04 16:09 +0100 dcross - David Cross said:
> 

> 
> p.s Next social meeting is on Thur 3rd May. Suggestions for venues would be
> most welcome.

nowhere we might be tempted to sit by the thames till the wee small
hours generating tremendous hangovers :)

struan