Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

2001-04-17 Thread Mark Fowler

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Struan Donald wrote:
 * at 17/04 14:00 +0200 Philip Newton said:
  Mark Fowler wrote:
3) Write a set of scripts that are all basically the same but have
   different #!/usr/bin/perl lines on the top and tell you the
  with a bunch of different extensions such as .pl .plx .cgi for
  combinations of "operating system" + web server that map scripts to
  interpreters by extension and/or directory rather than by shebang line...
 surely there should be a better way than this? after all the
 combinations involved are quite numerous. is the notion of something
 that does :
 
 #!/bin/sh
 
 if [ -e /usr/bin/perl ]; then
 exec './bin_perl.pl'
 fi
 
 or equivalent too silly? although not sure this sort of thing is possible
 on non unix type systems. OTOH would at least cut down the number of
 files that the person installing needs to worry about.

I don't particularly see the number of scripts this person is installing
as a problem.  The key concept is that these scripts are designed so that
someone who knows *nothing* about their system can basically upload them
all then see which one works.  Once they've got this script working the
script should contain instructions on how to modify any of the
other scripts to work with their server.

I don't think what you're suggesting will work at all on windows.  Or pure
mod_perl...

Feel free to disagree, I'm just suggesting ideas here.  Honestly, I'm not
sure what's the best way...

Later.

Mark.

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Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

2001-04-17 Thread Struan Donald

* at 17/04 14:09 +0100 Mark Fowler said:
 On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Struan Donald wrote:
  surely there should be a better way than this? after all the
  combinations involved are quite numerous. is the notion of something
  that does :
  
  #!/bin/sh
  
  if [ -e /usr/bin/perl ]; then
  exec './bin_perl.pl'
  fi
  
  or equivalent too silly? although not sure this sort of thing is possible
  on non unix type systems. OTOH would at least cut down the number of
  files that the person installing needs to worry about.
 
 I don't particularly see the number of scripts this person is installing
 as a problem.  The key concept is that these scripts are designed so that
 someone who knows *nothing* about their system can basically upload them
 all then see which one works.  Once they've got this script working the
 script should contain instructions on how to modify any of the
 other scripts to work with their server.

it's not so much the number of scripts as the "try each of these
scripts till one works" situation i think we should be trying to
minimise. 
 
 I don't think what you're suggesting will work at all on windows.  Or pure
 mod_perl...

true. although the number of people using mod_perl who'll be using
these is debatable. windows is a problem though.

 Feel free to disagree, I'm just suggesting ideas here.  Honestly, I'm not
 sure what's the best way...

heck, anything that helps is better than the "your isp will know"
school of help.

struan



Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-11 Thread Mark Fowler

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:

 As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three
 longer talks.

I could do a lightening talk on playing around with skinning stuff with
Template Toolkit's brand spanking new VIEW directive.  This would be very
quick as we've seen Andy do this kind of thing before in the pre-release
version.  I'd be skinning XML again in my example, but this time I'd be
using XML::XPath...

I'll also be able to give a quick status update on the website for NMS
(probably at the same time as I'll be using it as my example)

Later.

Mark.

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NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

2001-04-11 Thread Struan Donald

* at 11/04 08:28 +0100 Mark Fowler said:
 On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:

 
snip
 
 I'll also be able to give a quick status update on the website for NMS
 (probably at the same time as I'll be using it as my example)

what is the status of the NMS thing. i'm liable to have some spare time
over the weekend so if there's anything that needs doing on this i could
have a bash.

struan



Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

2001-04-11 Thread jo walsh


  4) Install Apache::Template, Bundle-XML, Template Toolkit 2.02 on penderel
 I think this has already been mostly done, but I could be wrong.

after much grappling with CPAN shell trying to upgrade us to 5.6.1,
this is all done now, though a couple of newer versions of XML modules -
not the crucial ones - failed tests, i didn't want to force. let me know
if there's anything you want or need missing,

jo





Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-10 Thread Marcel Grunauer

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:56:28PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
 
 nowhere we might be tempted to sit by the thames till the wee small
 hours generating tremendous hangovers :)

"sit"? IIRC, you tried to lean against a bench but unfortunately
were standing between two benches, landing on the ground face-down.

Marcel

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-10 Thread Simon Wistow

Dave Cross wrote:
 
 I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else.
 
 Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place.

Umm. Ok.

Somebody give me the designs and I'll get them printed.

Talk over.

Or am I missing something?



RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-10 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:17 AM

 Dave Cross wrote:
  
  I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else.
  
  Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place.
 
 Umm. Ok.
 
 Somebody give me the designs and I'll get them printed.

Mr Cantrell has them I believe.

 Talk over.
 
 Or am I missing something?

You're missing the fact that by the meeting you'll have 9 more days of
progress to report :)

Dave...

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-10 Thread Struan Donald

* at 10/04 09:15 +0100 Greg McCarroll said:
 * Marcel Grunauer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:56:28PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
   
   nowhere we might be tempted to sit by the thames till the wee small
   hours generating tremendous hangovers :)
  
  "sit"? IIRC, you tried to lean against a bench but unfortunately
  were standing between two benches, landing on the ground face-down.
  
 
 its a good job he had lots of `anasthetic' that night, or that would
 of really hurt

not at the time no :(

struan



RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-10 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:19 AM

   might be nice to have status reports from:
  
  * The t-shirt committee

 What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one.

There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between one and five of
them :)

Are the designs on the web anywhere? Paul? Dave? Anyone?

 http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/321a.html is a fairly new addition I
 think.

Been there for a few months. It's a top piece of code tho'.

Dave...

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-10 Thread Piers Cawley

jo walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,
  but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step
  forward.
 
 i recall promising to do 20 minutes on '101 fun things to do with
 Tangram', or something like that.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-10 Thread Simon Wistow

Neil Ford wrote:
 
 Do we need to dig up the original meeting notes regarding .pm/colour
 combinations or is Simon to 'wing it'?

Got em, cheers.



Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-10 Thread Leon Brocard

dcross - David Cross sent the following bits through the ether:

 Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,

Righto, I'd like to do talks on the following subjects:

  o Creating an optimising compiler and interpreter for a toy language
  o More Graphing Perl (crazy stuff Marcel and I have done)
  o Testing (Test, Test::Simple, Test::More, Test::Unit, Devel::Coverage)
  o Benchmarking (Benchmark, Devel::DProf, Devel::OpProf, Devel::SmallProf)
 
Of course, I'll actually be in the alps snowboarding[1], so this may
have to wait until the next technical meet[2] ;-)

[1] read this as "hurting"
[2] although you're welcome to steal the bottom two and do them
without me, sniff
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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-10 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:04:07AM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:

 Do we need to dig up the original meeting notes regarding .pm/colour
 combinations or is Simon to 'wing it'?

I forwarded it to him, along with the designs that Paul did.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-10 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
   I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
   doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.
  Can we all join in?
 yes the hitch in the t-shirt plan seems to be Mr Cantrell, so i think 
 we all need to
   smack our hitch up
 ;-)

That was kind of what I meant.

MBM (any excuse :)

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-10 Thread Robin Houston

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three
 longer talks.

I'd like to give a (preferably "longer") talk about parsing and
semantic transformation of Perl code. I promise to think of a
less scary title, and try not to say "semantic transformation".

Should take about 20 minutes.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-10 Thread Richard Clamp

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:31:11PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 At 22:10 09/04/2001, Neil Ford wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
  
   If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical 
  meeting
   on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
   7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
   soon.
  
 Ummm forewarned is forearmed Nat and I might not be able to make this
 which means getting hold of the projector might be a problem :-(
 
 If someone wants to pop down to West Sussex to collect it they are more than
 welcome, unfortunately I'm not travelling into London as much as I was.
 
 Neil,
 
 Thanks for warning me.
 
 Does anyone want to take on the task of being projector monitor and picking 
 it up from Sussex?

Sure, I'll polish up the terrorist-mobile[1].

Someone mail me off-list with some instructions.

[1] Which contrary to what Micheal J Fox thinks, will do 90, eventually.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-09 Thread Struan Donald

* at 09/04 16:09 +0100 dcross - David Cross said:
 
snip/
 
 p.s Next social meeting is on Thur 3rd May. Suggestions for venues would be
 most welcome.

nowhere we might be tempted to sit by the thames till the wee small
hours generating tremendous hangovers :)

struan



Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-09 Thread alex

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for
 us, but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to
 step forward.

i'll do some more music for a bit.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-09 Thread jo walsh


 Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,
 but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step
 forward.

i recall promising to do 20 minutes on '101 fun things to do with
Tangram', or something like that.
am still happy to do this, but also happy to do less time if more people
want to do longer talks.

jo





Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-09 Thread David Cantrell

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:

 might be nice to have status reports from:
 
 * The t-shirt committee

There has been movement on this!

I, however, will not be able to attend cos I have a visitor from the
darker regions of the galaxy.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-09 Thread Dave Cross

At 19:16 09/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:

  might be nice to have status reports from:
 
  * The t-shirt committee

There has been movement on this!

I, however, will not be able to attend cos I have a visitor from the
darker regions of the galaxy.

I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else.

Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place.

Dave...



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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-09 Thread Neil Ford

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
 If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical meeting
 on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
 7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
 soon.
 
Ummm forewarned is forearmed Nat and I might not be able to make this
which means getting hold of the projector might be a problem :-(

If someone wants to pop down to West Sussex to collect it they are more than
welcome, unfortunately I'm not travelling into London as much as I was.

Neil.
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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-09 Thread Dave Cross

At 22:10 09/04/2001, Neil Ford wrote:
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
  If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical 
 meeting
  on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
  7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
  soon.
 
Ummm forewarned is forearmed Nat and I might not be able to make this
which means getting hold of the projector might be a problem :-(

If someone wants to pop down to West Sussex to collect it they are more than
welcome, unfortunately I'm not travelling into London as much as I was.

Neil,

Thanks for warning me.

Does anyone want to take on the task of being projector monitor and picking 
it up from Sussex?

Dave...



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Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-09 Thread dcross - David Cross


If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical meeting
on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
soon.

Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,
but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step
forward. might be nice to have status reports from:

* The t-shirt committee
* The server committee
* The camel visitation committee[2]

As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three
longer talks.

Any questions?

Dave...

p.s Next social meeting is on Thur 3rd May. Suggestions for venues would be
most welcome.

[1] I know that some people raised objections to State 51 as a venue, but as
I didn't get any other suggestions I didn't really have much choice :(

[2] Bugger! That's me.

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