Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LxPanel's Menu conflics with keyboard shortcuts....

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 17.01.2012 13:08, schrieb Axel FILMORE:
> Hi there,
> 
> I've found something weird with LxPanel's Main Menu.
> 
> When the menu is added to the panel, hitting the super key just shows
> the main menu, but other "Super" key shortcuts doesn't work.
> 
> When the menu is not added to the panel, Super+D minimises or maximises
> windows, Super+E runs PCManFm, which is very handy for people comming
> from other OS's if you see what I mean. :-D
> 
> I don't know really how the "Super" key is handled in the Main Menu, if
> it's hard coded or not, but that's an issue IMHO.
> 
> Regards. :)
> 

There is CTRL+ALT+D to start the filemanager and CTRL+ALT+T to start a
terminal.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Screencasts

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

just a short notice as I got tons of mails regarding Lubuntu
Screencasts. The screencasts aren't dead: Please refer to wiki page:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation#Screencasts
and the more Screencasts link to get more screencasts. There is also an
RSS-Feed available here: http://blip.tv/rss/bookmarks/206798
As the feed updates automatically I won't update my blog on lubuntu.net
as I don't have time for this and I heard lubuntu.net will be upgraded
sometime soon anyways.

Regards,
Leszek

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Merry Christmas

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 24.12.2011 10:34, schrieb Stephen Smally:
> Merry Christmas Everyone! thanks for your awesome work!

Merry Christmas also from me to everyone ;)


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] power button

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 28.11.2011 12:42, schrieb Chris:
> Does it give that window for asking what action you want to perform?

Thats exactly what it does


> 2011/11/28 Gabriel Salles 
> 
>> I don't know if it is the same thing, but after I install the Lubuntu,
>> I go to the file ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml and add these lines:
>>
>> 
>> 
>> lubuntu-logout
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> Gabriel Salles
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/11/28 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 
>>>
>>> Some  users requested here:
>>>
>>> http://120linux.com/lubuntu-el-boton-de-encendido-no-funciona/
>>>
>>> the power button ability again, reinstalling acpid. Is it really
>> removed? Does it have heavy dependencies?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Killing glade and gconf -- are there general guidelines or a blueprint?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 26.11.2011 11:18, schrieb Julien Lavergne:
> Le 11/26/2011 10:36 AM, Jonathan Marsden a écrit :
>> On 11/26/2011 01:07 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
>>
>>> No, the priority is the glade migration because only Lubuntu specific
>>> packages are involved.
>>
>> OK, that helps.  Is there documentation out there somewhere about what
>> to replace glade with?  Examples, tutorials, whatever?  Is using glade
>> 3.10.x (and so GTK3) sufficient?  Or are we really "killing" glade?
> No, just using GtkBuilder instead of glade should be fine :
> http://developer.gnome.org/gtk/2.24/gtk-migrating-GtkBuilder.html
> 
To bring some clearness in here. Glade as the tool to build UIs from
version 2.0 has the capability to use gtkbuilder to build its ui forms.
Also the ubuntu programming infrastructure quickly uses glade (again the
tool)  with its default gtkbuilder capabilities.
So as far as I see it we don't have any big problem or are they UIs that
use the glade library instead the gtkbuilder library in Lubuntu ? (Again
glade library does not mean that they were created with glade)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] web mockup #1

[Leszek Lesner]

- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -
> Here it os, the first mockup, using the Ubuntu drupal theme, but blue
> "tuned". Of course, texts, images and links are fake. Just for imagining
> how it would look. I'll make another one without any Canonical influence,
> some kind KDE did, and more user friendly, direct to people, and less
> serious.
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/6mfma.png
> 
> But the goals of these webs (now mockups) will be:
> 
>       - very visible download button
>       - easy navigation menu
>       - front exposure of the product (a PC with Lubuntu installed and
> working)     - a few sub-articles (in this case product features)
>       - the #2 article should be the last blog post
>       - the #3 article should be the last forum post (and no more than 3)
>       What do you think? ...working on the #2!

Very nice mockup. You are the best :)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] What happened to Lubuntu Control Center??

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 24.11.2011 17:04, schrieb Gabriel Salles:
> Hi everybody
>
> I just tryed to install the Lubuntu Control Center and I realized that it
> is not at the 11.10 repositories... Is this project dead or what?
The project is not dead. But as it was decided not to include it with
Lubuntu, as pcmanfm has a settings menu which can show all settings I
guess it is no longer maintained (I think Julien was the maintainer for
it).
The development is stalled right now as I have a lot of other things to
do right now (until the end of winter).
Planned is a configuration file in which you can set icons and execute
commandlines. But all in all the application is more or less feature
complete. If you have any interesting idea on what to improve please
notice there is still the development page
https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-control-center where you add feature
requests.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 09.11.2011 15:55, schrieb A. Andjelkovic:
> Let's not think in terms of "This is what I would prefer" but rather "This
> is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer".
Isn't that the same ?
I am running Chromium here on a 800 Mhz ARM Cortex A8 with 256 MB RAM.
I guess that is a low machine.
If you get to even lower hardware than both browsers feel slugish.

> Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please keep such
> personal opinions out of this discussion.

If you only choose software on the base of how much ram they use on
ancient hardware then you will definitely fail in delivering a good user
experience. Personal opinions matter a lot if they are supported by good
arguments.
And no I don't want to start a war here. I just want to discuss the
advantages and disadvantages of both browsers.


> Google is dropping H264 support:
> http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html

Google Chrome != Chromium

> Firefox might do that in the future also, but it costs memory to
> sandbox each browser tab. And I believe Chromium cheats: when
> available memory gets too low, tabs begin sharing the same process so
> it's a bit harder to know what's really going on.

At least from the user perspective you have still the advantage that one
tab cannot crash the whole browser.

> While I'm not a Google-hater, I think it's very important for the free
> web that Mozilla continues to exist. Since Mozilla is a bit more open
> than Chromium and multiple steps more open than Android, I think open
> source fans should consider supporting Firefox if the features are
> nearly equal, which in my opinion they are. This is why I hope Firefox
> continues to remain the Ubuntu default browser. Since Lubuntu has
> different constraints in choosing default apps, I'll let Julien and
> the Lubuntu devs make their own evaluation. Both browsers are fully
> supported in Ubuntu (Canonical is looking to hire someone who can help
> maintain Chromium).

I really don't think that if Lubuntu would ship Chromium instead of
Firefox it will hurt Mozilla soo much that they have to fear their
existens.
And to be clear here, if we would to have choose a non free vs. a free
software then I would also argue its definitely better to promote the
free software. But in our case we have to made a choice between two free
software products.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 09.11.2011 10:55, schrieb Chris:
> Bonjour Jean-Pierre,
>
> I don't know if this is correct, but I'm a little concerned for if the
>>> machines will support the test? We're talking about Pentium 3 & 4 and 256
>>> to 512 ram.
>> It's like Ali said, it's just a script which does some automated actions,
> like see what the CPU usage and MEM consumption. The idea for now is just
> shutting down all current processes of chromium-browser/firefox (or just
> checking if it's already running or completely shutting down) and starting
> a default set of tabs. That way the results should be comparable and
> "doable" for every machine.
>
> With metta, Chris
>
>
Its somehow funny to see everyone trying to look into the memory
consumption of firefox vs. chromium. But I just want keep in mind that
those aren't the only criteria for firefox vs. chromium.
Don't forget to compare them feature wise.
In my view Chromium offers still better features than firefox. Just look
at the HTML5 capabilities it just beats firefox here with in my view
important things just like HTML5 videoplayback (H264 is supported)
or the fact that every browser tab in chromium is running as a different
process in a sandbox which makes a crash of one tab not concerning for
other tabs. Also the startup time of chromium is still far better than
the one of firefox. Chromium also offers some little nice features like
a incognito mode that can be used alongside with the normal browsing
mode (which firefox does not have, as it closes the 'normal' browser and
opens with a incognito profile)
The memory consumption is nearly the same. Chromium seems to have a
lower memory consumption when it comes to a few open tabs. If you have
more than 5 tabs open firefox might be lower on memory consumption but
this is only my impression so far(I did not do any tests on it). If you
want to dig deep into the materia I guess reading out /proc processes is
the right way to go, or you could use the kde systemmonitor (sysguard)
which offers the most accurate memory consumption details of all the
systemmonitors so far (even giving you a list of /proc processes it
analyzed) 

All in all I am in flavor of Chromium as its still faster and offers the
better features.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New LXKeymap version with autostart support

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 05.11.2011 17:40, schrieb Todd Schulman:
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>
>> Am 05.11.2011 14:02, schrieb Gabriel Salles:
>>> I just saw the forum and I believe that there should be an option to
>> change
>>> the global keymap... Or at least the login manager keymap
>> Yeah I guess you are right.
>> But notice that this requires root rights.
>> Also if someone knows how to change the keymap for tty and Xorg (I guess
>> the keymap is set in /etc/default/keyboard) directly without
>> reconfiguring console-setup then please mail me.
>>
>> Won't setxkbmap do it?
Setxkbmap would only change the Xorg keymap in a local session. So not
globally. And it needs a Xserver running

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New LXKeymap version with autostart support

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 05.11.2011 14:02, schrieb Gabriel Salles:
> I just saw the forum and I believe that there should be an option to change
> the global keymap... Or at least the login manager keymap
Yeah I guess you are right.
But notice that this requires root rights.
Also if someone knows how to change the keymap for tty and Xorg (I guess
the keymap is set in /etc/default/keyboard) directly without
reconfiguring console-setup then please mail me.

>
> Att,
>
> Gabriel Salles
>
>
> 2011/11/5 Ali Linx 
>
>> Hello Leszek,
>>
>> Kindly have a look at this:
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1874069
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> as I got a lot of requests to implement an autostart feature for
>>> lxkeymap I did it.
>>> LXKeymap 0.5 is now capable to store its keymap configuration into a
>>> file that it reads out during autostart.
>>> Therefore I wrote a little *.desktop file that I put in the global
>>> /etc/xdg/autostart which contains the new command "lxkeymap -a" to
>>> trigger the autostart function of lxkeymap. The Keymap configuration
>>> will be stored locally in your home directory ( ~/.config/lxkeymap.cfg)
>>> and is easily editable either by using lxkeymap and set a new keymap or
>>> by editing it by hand.
>>> You can get this version from here:
>>>
>>> http://content.wuala.com/contents/leszek/Dokumente/Share/lxkeymap_0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb?dl=1
>>>
>>> If you notice any bugs then report them here:
>>> http://launchpad.net/lxkeymap
>>>
>>> Also I guess there is a bug in lxdm, because changing the keyboard
>>> layout in the session and logging out to lxdm does not restore the
>>> global keymap but uses the one choosen in the session.
>>> This could be also fixed by simply calling "lxkeymap -a" from within
>>> lxdm but as lxkeymap uses only a local configuration it would then
>>> create and use the root accounts .config/lxkeymap.cfg file. So you need
>>> to create this first by executing lxkeymap as root if you want to have a
>>> different keymap globally+lxdm and your user accounts.
>>>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] New LXKeymap version with autostart support

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

as I got a lot of requests to implement an autostart feature for
lxkeymap I did it.
LXKeymap 0.5 is now capable to store its keymap configuration into a
file that it reads out during autostart.
Therefore I wrote a little *.desktop file that I put in the global
/etc/xdg/autostart which contains the new command "lxkeymap -a" to
trigger the autostart function of lxkeymap. The Keymap configuration
will be stored locally in your home directory ( ~/.config/lxkeymap.cfg)
and is easily editable either by using lxkeymap and set a new keymap or
by editing it by hand.
You can get this version from here:
http://content.wuala.com/contents/leszek/Dokumente/Share/lxkeymap_0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb?dl=1

If you notice any bugs then report them here: http://launchpad.net/lxkeymap

Also I guess there is a bug in lxdm, because changing the keyboard
layout in the session and logging out to lxdm does not restore the
global keymap but uses the one choosen in the session.
This could be also fixed by simply calling "lxkeymap -a" from within
lxdm but as lxkeymap uses only a local configuration it would then
create and use the root accounts .config/lxkeymap.cfg file. So you need
to create this first by executing lxkeymap as root if you want to have a
different keymap globally+lxdm and your user accounts.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu.net and screencasts

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 21.10.2011 11:38, schrieb Ali Linx:
> If you are talking about the Wiki Pages, I don't mind to update that myself
> if you are busy.
Yes I am only talking about the screencast. I am not responsible for the
website ;)
>
> If you are talking about the website (lubuntu.net), then any idea when that
> will be? just an approximate date will be great.
>
> Thank you so much!
>
> P.S.
> Lubuntu Screencasts on my signature now (Ubuntu Forum).
> http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=941822
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:07 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Patients. I am working on it.
>> I am pretty occupied by other stuff right now.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Gesendet von meinem HP Veer
>>
>> --
>> Am 21.10.2011 09:06 schrieb Ali Linx :
>>
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation#Screencasts
>>> *This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use
>>> one of the page templates.*
>>>
>> This is what I get when I try to open any Screencast from the above link.
>>
>> Where are ALL the old Screencasts now? users are asking about that all the
>> time.
>>
>> Also, what happened to the website? when exactly it will be up and running?
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Leszek,
>>>
>>> would you be so kind as to update
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation#Screencasts
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Phill.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 17.10.2011 23:37, schrieb Gabriel Salles:
>>>>> There are some people in Brazil asking me that too..
>>>>>
>>>>> Gabriel Salles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/10/17 vanyok 
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just one short question about Lubuntu.net website.
>>>>>> There were a lot of valuable articles and screencasts. Is it possible
>>>>>> to get them all in one place as it was on site? Can we get them to
>>>>>> place on our site Lubuntu.ru (for sure with copyrights/copylefts,
>>>>>> links or whatever)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>> Best regs,
>>>>>> Ivan aka vanyok
>>>> For the Screencasts note that they are still available. See :
>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11356081&postcount=5
>>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Rename LSC?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 17.10.2011 19:55, schrieb Ali Linx:
> IMHO, what could be much better is having our own applications. I mean, LXDE
> Applications. Instead of using GNOME or XFCE Power Management, we develop
> our own application. Instead of using GNOME-Player, we create our own, etc.

I think this is stupid to develop a new app only because the app
contains the name gnome. If the app works as expected why developing a
replacment ?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Rename LSC?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 17.10.2011 18:52, schrieb Glenn de Groot:
> Hello everyone,
> today I came up with something.I think that if we rename Lubuntu Software 
> Center to LXDE Software Center or maybe something catchy, other distros and 
> developers will join.Other LXDE distro´s probably won´t switch to something 
> Lubuntu branded, which is a shame.We might have Openbox, XFCE and Fluxbox 
> joining if we come up with a catchy name, Midori isn´t named Gwebkit-browser 
> for a reason, I guess. :P
> Thoughts? :P
> -Glenn de Groot   
This would assume that LSC would run on other LXDE Distributions aswell,
which it does not. (especially those who don't use debian packagemanagement)
I have nothing against making LSC 'portable' by using packagekit instead
of aptdaemon (or what it uses now). But this is a long work in progress.
And for this, we should at first ask the other LXDE Distros if they want
to work on it and actually use it when its ready. (It does not make
sense to do this step if no one is interested in it)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu.net and screencasts

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 17.10.2011 23:37, schrieb Gabriel Salles:
> There are some people in Brazil asking me that too..
> 
> Gabriel Salles
> 
> 
> 2011/10/17 vanyok 
> 
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> Just one short question about Lubuntu.net website.
>> There were a lot of valuable articles and screencasts. Is it possible
>> to get them all in one place as it was on site? Can we get them to
>> place on our site Lubuntu.ru (for sure with copyrights/copylefts,
>> links or whatever)?
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Best regs,
>> Ivan aka vanyok

For the Screencasts note that they are still available. See :
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11356081&postcount=5


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 15.10.2011 13:50, schrieb Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset:
> 2011/10/15 Julien Lavergne 
> 
>> Le 10/14/2011 08:00 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :
>>> Sorry, "sudo start lxdm" says "lxdm/running, process 3228"
>>> Here's a brief of what "startx" sends:
>>> (EE) failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
>>> (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported
>>> (EE) Radeon(0): Chipset: "SUMO" (ChipID=0x9641) requires KMS
>>> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
>>> Fatal server error: no screens found.
>> Could you try to boot again the Live-CD, press F6 on the splash screen,
>> check nomodeset, and boot ?
>>
>>
> The results above are the product of this:
> - start the livecd with nomodeset checked
> - typing "startx" in the line commands (X doesn't load :( )
> 
> Should I create a bug in X? graphic drivers? where...?

First of all tell us if it is a installed system or a live cd.
Because when its a live cd than its definitely a bug, because it should
not even try to load fglrx as it is proprietary and needs to be
installed with jockey-gtk.
Please also take a look into /var/log/Xorg.0.log and tell us whats in
there.
You also need the output of that file if you want to report an error.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 15.10.2011 12:40, schrieb Julien Lavergne:
> Le 10/14/2011 08:00 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :
>> Sorry, "sudo start lxdm" says "lxdm/running, process 3228"
>> Here's a brief of what "startx" sends:
>> (EE) failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
>> (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported
>> (EE) Radeon(0): Chipset: "SUMO" (ChipID=0x9641) requires KMS
>> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
>> Fatal server error: no screens found. 
> Could you try to boot again the Live-CD, press F6 on the splash screen,
> check nomodeset, and boot ?

Isn't it strange that it is trying to load the proprietary fglrx driver
from LiveCD ?
Or is it a installed system and a fucked up driver installation ?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Audio Conf for Lubuntu

[Leszek Lesner]

I agree.  A link to sound preferences makes sense.  
The only issues I see are 1) alsamixer is not very intuitive and 2) it dumps 
users into a terminal which might scare the crap out of many of them. :)



Completely agree that a terminal app scares a lot of people, but in particular 
this one it's more friendly than it seems. In the interest of making it more 
friendly i asked for how to show lxterminal without the menus :)

And meanwhile we have nothing to do this job, alsamixer it's the best candidate 
(as it's already in Lubuntu!). Maybe if there's time, the sound applet could be 
connected to it somehow... but that's another story.


--jpxsat

I think an easy shell script writing the "don't show menubar" in the config for 
executing alsamixer should do the trick. Another way would be executing 
alsamixer in xterm instead of lxterminal

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Thoughts from 8.10

[Leszek Lesner]

- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -
> 2011/8/26 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset :
> > Hi people.
> > Has any one tried an old ubuntu lately? lets say for example 8.10? Its
> > damn fast!
> 
> > I'm just saying: this old OS works very fast, and I really don't know
> > why... but maybe the Lubuntu devs could have an explanation for it and
> > maybe improve Lubuntu this way.
> > 
> 
> Agree, bloatkernel, bloatdrivers, bloatwares... this is what is
> supposed to make linux more 'user-friendly', although being OS user I
> don't find it quite friendly. On the other hand 8.10 won't fire up on
> my laptop because of missing support for switchable graphics %)
> Just thinking aloud - would it be wise to create an override apt
> profile for lubuntu which will suppress all the 'recommended' and
> 'suggested' dependencies by default? After restricting
> /gnome|kde|qt[2-4]/ in apt it is annoying to retype each time
> '--no-install-recommends' after install aborts bcz of missing
> dependencies.
> 

RTFM.  There is an apt/preferences flag for that. 
Also this whole conversation is non sense. If you test out ubuntu 5.04 or even 
Debian 2.0 it would be lightning fast even with KDE. 
But remember back then linux supported lesser hardware and was not intended to 
run on hardware that we normally have today (Dual/Quad-Cores). Also remember 
old Operating Systems might run fast but don't support modern technologies or 
hardware. Try to stick an USB Thumbdrive in a DOS machine.
Lubuntu takes a very far approach in supporting good old hardware which is 
about 15 years old whithout loosing modern technologies (3G, Wifi, Bluetooth, 
Powermanagement)
The the ones speaking of 
"bloatkernel, bloatdrivers"
Have you ever looked at the Kernelcode or done tests on the Kernel ?
Lets take for example audio latency. For years you had to patch the kernel for 
realtime audio with jack and ardour.
Nowadays it isn't necessary for the amateur audio editor as the kernel even 
without the realtime patches is nearly as fast as with them.

The Kernel has become bigger but performance wise it is nearly as fast as it 
was before if not even a little faster.
All in all stop those non sense posting comparing an ancient Linux Distribution 
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[Lubuntu-desktop] lxshortcut integration in pcmanfm PATCH

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi folks,

I created a little patch which creates a new menuitem in the new menu called 
Shortcut. 
When its called it will execute 
lxshortcut -i 
I originally created this patch for ZevenOS-Neptune and the debian version of 
pcmanfm (which seems to be an older version). 
I hope this patch works also for the ubuntu package and the newer version and 
is useful until a 'real' integration for desktop creation is done in pcmanfm / 
libfm. 


--- a/src/desktop-ui.c	2010-10-15 10:26:53.0 +0200
+++ b/src/desktop-ui.c	2011-08-12 12:37:56.279733976 +0200
@@ -26,6 +26,7 @@ static const char desktop_menu_xml[] =
   ""
 ""
 ""
+""
   ""
   ""
   ""
@@ -55,6 +56,7 @@ static const GtkActionEntry desktop_acti
 {"CreateNew", GTK_STOCK_NEW, N_("_New"), "", NULL, NULL},
 {"NewFolder", "folder", N_("Folder"), "N", NULL, G_CALLBACK(on_create_new)},
 {"NewBlank", "text-x-generic", N_("Blank File"), NULL, NULL, G_CALLBACK(on_create_new)},
+{"NewShortcut", "system-run", N_("Shortcut"), NULL, NULL, G_CALLBACK(on_create_new)},
 {"Prop", GTK_STOCK_PROPERTIES, N_("Desktop Preferences"), "Return", NULL, G_CALLBACK(fm_desktop_preference)}
 };
 
--- a/src/desktop.c	2011-08-12 13:20:45.0 +0200
+++ b/src/desktop.c	2011-08-12 12:40:07.370541766 +0200
@@ -2002,6 +2002,8 @@ void on_create_new(GtkAction* act, gpoin
 name = TEMPL_NAME_FOLDER;
 else if( strcmp(name, "NewBlank") == 0 )
 name = TEMPL_NAME_BLANK;
+else if( strcmp(name, "NewShortcut") == 0)
+name = TEMPL_NAME_SHORTCUT;
 pcmanfm_create_new(NULL, fm_path_get_desktop(), name);
 }
 
--- a/src/main-win-ui.c	2010-10-15 10:26:53.0 +0200
+++ b/src/main-win-ui.c	2011-08-12 13:07:28.554932704 +0200
@@ -100,6 +100,7 @@ static const char main_menu_xml[] =
   ""
 ""
 ""
+""
   ""
   ""
   ""
@@ -171,6 +172,7 @@ static GtkActionEntry main_win_actions[]
 {"CreateNew", GTK_STOCK_NEW, N_("_New"), "", NULL, NULL},
 {"NewFolder", "folder", N_("Folder"), "N", NULL, G_CALLBACK(on_create_new)},
 {"NewBlank", "text-x-generic", N_("Blank File"), NULL, NULL, G_CALLBACK(on_create_new)},
+{"NewShortcut", "system-run", N_("Shortcut"), NULL, NULL, G_CALLBACK(on_create_new)},
 {"Prop", GTK_STOCK_PROPERTIES, NULL, NULL, NULL, G_CALLBACK(on_prop)}
 };

--- a/src/main-win.c	2011-08-12 13:20:45.0 +0200
+++ b/src/main-win.c	2011-08-12 15:00:27.662364700 +0200
@@ -1262,6 +1262,8 @@ void on_create_new(GtkAction* action, Fm
 name = TEMPL_NAME_FOLDER;
 else if( strcmp(name, "NewBlank") == 0 )
 name = TEMPL_NAME_BLANK;
+else if( strcmp(name, "NewShortcut") == 0 )
+name = TEMPL_NAME_SHORTCUT;
 pcmanfm_create_new(GTK_WINDOW(win), fm_folder_view_get_cwd(fv), name);
 }

--- a/src/pcmanfm.h	2010-10-15 10:26:53.0 +0200
+++ b/src/pcmanfm.h	2011-08-12 15:19:38.503970818 +0200
@@ -44,6 +44,7 @@ void pcmanfm_open_folder_in_terminal(Gtk
 
 #define TEMPL_NAME_FOLDERNULL
 #define TEMPL_NAME_BLANK (const char*)-1
+#define TEMPL_NAME_SHORTCUT  (const char*)-2
 void pcmanfm_create_new(GtkWindow* parent, FmPath* cwd, const char* templ);
 
 G_END_DECLS


--- a/src/pcmanfm.c	2011-08-12 13:20:45.0 +0200
+++ b/src/pcmanfm.c	2011-08-12 15:25:46.655997442 +0200
@@ -607,6 +607,15 @@ _retry:
 }
 g_object_unref(gf);
 }
+else if ( templ == TEMPL_NAME_SHORTCUT )
+{
+  char buf[256];
+  GFile* gf = fm_path_to_gfile(dest);
+  printf("Creating Shortcut..."); // Debug message
+  sprintf(buf, "/usr/bin/lxshortcut -i %s",g_file_get_path(gf));
+  system(buf);
+  g_object_unref(gf);
+}
 else /* templates in ~/Templates */
 {
 FmPath* dir = fm_path_new_for_str(g_get_user_special_dir(G_USER_DIRECTORY_TEMPLATES));
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Mouse and Keyboard control problem

[Leszek Lesner]

- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -
> 
>     
> Hi,
> 
> Using Lubuntu 11.04 the scrolling when using my Synaptics keypad scroll
> area on my laptop is too fast and jerky. I went into preferences >
> keyboard and mouse. 
> 
> I can not modify acceleration nor sensitivity. I move the slider and
> when I go to click OK the window closes by itself suddenly before I can
> hit OK, and any changes do not stick. I don't know if this is a bug or a
> peculiarity with my laptop. In any event I'm sure there's a config file
> somewhere where I can manually make these changes. Where would such a
> file be located? Also is there a way I could activate changes without
> having to reboot?
> 
> Thanks
> 
For your touchpad please try installing the app gpointing-device-settings as 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Sonntag 19 Juni 2011, 20:58:25 schrieb Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset:
> > But now I'm lacking some shortcut editor.
> 
> Me too...
> 
> Multimediakey support is integrated already.
> 
> Sorry about it, didn't tried since i'm staying with 10.04 - tried 11.04
> though, but only volume worked... pause, play, etc didn't worked as they do
> in Ubuntu __ i just tried the live cd, maybe it has something to do with
> that?

Multimediakeys Play, Pause , etc. need support in the music player itself. I 
think Audacious has support for it, but its disabled in the default audacious 
configuration. I don't know about gnome-mplayer support for this.
> 
> Also speaking about "Missing configuration programs", i've tried to change
> in lxkeymap the keyboard map and didn't work. First my keyboard was "es"
> and tried to change to "cl" (or anything else), didn't work: next reboot
> tried from "us" to any map and nothing. Maybe this is a bug from the live
> cd and it disapears when the OS is installed? Can someone confirm it?

I cannot confirm this. Switching keymap works like a charm here.  

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs

[Leszek Lesner]

- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -
> 2011/6/18 Leszek Lesner 
> 
> > Am 18.06.2011 11:16, schrieb Filip Dominec:
> > > Hi, I am missing several important programs for user settings (e. g.
> > > keyboard shortcuts, startup applications, keyboard layouts switching
> > > or sound channels volumes). In the ideal case these programs could be
> > > similar to that in Gnome 2, maybe we could just copy some. Is there
> > > any work in progress on this?
> > > Filip Dominec
> > > 
> > > 
> > For keyboard shortcuts I normally edit the openbox configuration file,
> > but you are right a graphical tool would be helpful here.
> > For startup applications you can go to the menu -> preferences ->
> > desktop session settings.
> > Keyboard layout switching can be done with lxkeymap.
> > Sound volume can be changed with the tray icon in the panel.
> > Those applications are already included.
> > 
> > A soundmixer gui like alsamixergui or a gnome-alsamixer would be nice
> > to integrate. (despite the name gnome-alsamixer has not lot of
> > dependencies)
> 
> 
> When could something be done about multimedia keys??
> 
> 
> -- 
> jpxsat

Multimediakey support is integrated already.___
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 18.06.2011 11:16, schrieb Filip Dominec:
> Hi, I am missing several important programs for user settings (e. g.
> keyboard shortcuts, startup applications, keyboard layouts switching or
> sound channels volumes). In the ideal case these programs could be
> similar to that in Gnome 2, maybe we could just copy some. Is there any
> work in progress on this? 
> Filip Dominec
>
>
For keyboard shortcuts I normally edit the openbox configuration file,
but you are right a graphical tool would be helpful here.
For startup applications you can go to the menu -> preferences ->
desktop session settings.
Keyboard layout switching can be done with lxkeymap.
Sound volume can be changed with the tray icon in the panel.
Those applications are already included.

A soundmixer gui like alsamixergui or a gnome-alsamixer would be nice to
integrate. (despite the name gnome-alsamixer has not lot of dependencies)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Problem with Wine

[Leszek Lesner]

- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -
> I installed Wine in the hope of gettings iTunes to work.   I never got
> that far.   After installing Wine, I lost my application launcher icon,
> all of the icons on my panel and all of the notifications on my panel.
> My machine now also crashes when I try to change the desktop background.
> I have tried to reboot from CDs and a USB to do a new installation of
> Lubuntu (and quite a few other Linux distributions).   With CDs, I get an
> error message saying that a connection couldn't be made.   With the USB,
> I get an error message about a path.   I find it hard to believe that
> this is a hardware problem, since the CD reads music disks just fine and
> the USB ports mount my Android phone.   I've checked the BIOS settings,
> and I've changed the installed hard drive to DEAD LAST, and I still
> can't get this machine to boot from a CD or a USB.   I've uninstalled
> Wine, and the problems remain.   I don't know that much about Linux or
> Wine, but I do know that the problems started when I installed Wine.
> Could there be some files or packages that the uninstall missed?   How do
> I get rid of them?   This is not my primary machine, so is there a way I
> can get it to boot from a CD or a USB and just reinstall the OS?

This sounds to me like an error on your hard disk after your installed wine. 
The second problem with not booting cd and usb needs further investigations. 
Please try to delete "quiet splash" from the boot options of the live media. (i 
think you need to press F6 to see the boot options). If the computer does not 
even allow you to get to the boot screen and it worked before (you somehow 
managed to install lubuntu before) there might be a serious hardware issue with 
your computer. On a desktop pc I would check all connection cables inside the 
case from usb and cdrom to motherboard and vice versa.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop

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Am Mittwoch 08 Juni 2011, 15:23:56 schrieb 神癒礁湖 "(Rafael Laguna)":
> It's slow for me too. Even in Gnome, when using two or three plugins
> it's annoying. Another option could be Scribes. It's a bit strange, but
> it has syntax highlighting and doesn't have too much dependencies. But I
> don't know if its development status.


I have good experience with geany. Its has good syntax hightlighting and many 
options more, like integrated terminal support and showing functions, 
procedures and classes in a source tree.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing

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> Le Sunday 05 June 2011 à 13:14 -0700, Lance a écrit :
> > Regarding the lacking restart or shutdown buttons I posted a
> > screenshot here:
> > 
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850 
> 
> I think it's because you use startx. LXDM do some black magic to enable
> features that startx probably doesn't (consolkit here). I suspect it's
> because you don't have some commands.

Thats right without a login manager running shutdown won't work the usual way. 
I think the bug report should concentrate why it did boot only in a tty and not 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UDS sessions for Lubuntu (today !)

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Dienstag 10 Mai 2011, um 10:27:03 schrieb Yorvyk:
> On Tue, 10 May 2011 09:32:08 +0200
> 
> Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> > On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:59:01 +0200
> > 
> > Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> > > I already submitted 2 sessions :
> > > 
> > > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lubuntu-integrate-ubuntu-
> > > ecosystem The goal is to finish the Lubuntu integration in Ubuntu
> > > ecosystem by using all tools available, such as the build image system
> > > :)
> > > 
> > > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-o-clean-lubuntu
> > > Discuss all the possibilities to optimize / speed up Lubuntu.
> > > 
> > > Be sure to subscribe the blueprints if you want to be informed about
> > > the progress of them.
> > 
> > Just a reminder, the 2 sessions will be today on 15:00 and 17:00 Budapest
> > Time : http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/2011-05-10/ You can find details
> > about remote participation on http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/
> > Details about the sessions are on the 2 blueprints (see above), and the
> > 2 linked specifications.
> 
> Sadly I'll be busy this afternoon so can't join in :/

me too xD
And especially the "optimize / speed up Lubuntu" part is interesting to me. 
Hmm... perhaps I will join from within the lecture in my university if it's 
boring ;)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] system requirements question, 5.4 gb of free space needed?

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- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -
> This is my first time installing LUbuntu 11.04 and I am trying it on
> an eeePC with a 4 gb SSD.   The installer says I need 5.4 gb free space
> to install.
> 
> I thought LUbuntu was light weight, so I'm curious if that system
> requirement is correct or not.
> 
This seems to be a bug (or mistake) as even technically you can not compress 
5.4 GB under 700 MB (for the ISO). 
My Installation eats up about 1.6 GB. So 2.2 GB should be the minimum 
requirement in my opinion 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.04 released

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Am Donnerstag 28 April 2011, um 23:23:47 schrieb 神癒礁湖 "(Rafael Laguna)":
> Fully agree, Yorvik. It's a pleasure working with you all and having
> this result: a great world wide known distro.
> 
> Looking forward to 11.10!

Congrats on the release :)
The best Lubuntu version ever.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] (no subject)

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Am Montag 25 April 2011, um 08:38:56 schrieb Lee Gold:
> Hi,
> 
> Using Lubuntu 10.10. When I close my Laptop (pull the screen/lid down to
> close it) it goes into a standby mode where I must press my now blinking
> on/off button to restart it. I want to have it so my laptop stays on.
> The screen by default will probably turn off (that seems hardwired into
> the hardware) but other than that I want control over this. Most flavors
> of Unbuntu easily have control over this by GUI menus but I don't see
> any way in Lubuntu. Is there a way?

You can configure this by opening up the run dialog (ALT+F2) and typing in 
gnome-power-preferences.

> 
> With a Synaptics touchpad. Moving the finger along the right edge of the
> touchpad acts as a scroll wheel. If the cursor is not in any app window
> but is in open desktop area - then this scrolling action will transport
> one to a different desktop. I have two desktops enabled so by moving the
> the finger along the side up/down I go from Desktop1 to Desktop2 and
> back. This deadly for me and causing much hair pulling. I am in the
> middle of doing something and desktop will change. No matter how careful
> I am this eventually happens. So for the sake of sanity I have only one
> desktop. I'd like multiple desktops but I need to turn-off this
> scrolling feature. I've seen some hacks in config files but they either
> don't work or have side effects. I want to keep the scrolling in windows
> were the touchpad scrolling really helps. I just want to turn-off the
> scrolling between desktops only. I can't find a GUI in Lubuntu to do
> this. Is there a way that works that anyone knows?
There seems to be no gui option in the Openbox configuration but you can open 
up the configuration file ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml and try to delete 
the 
following lines under the  paragraph: 
  

  
  

  
After saving and a relogon it should be gone.
> 
> When I double click on a text file (txt extension) nothing happens. I do
> that with a .doc and Abiword opens the  file. I think there's no program
> associated with the txt extension. I'd like Gedit to open the file and
> be default program. How do I do this? Related maybe - Say there's a text
> file on the web with a link to download it. If I click the link the
> default program to open is "Virus Scanner"(?). I choose and find the
> path to Gedit the "Always use this to open this kind of file" checkbox
> is checked and grayed out. Gedit opens the file but the preference does
> not stick.
Just create a text file and right click on it go to properties and set the 
right programm to 'open with'. 

Hope this helps


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Upgrading Synaptic

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Am Mittwoch 20 April 2011, um 13:33:06 schrieb Chris Druif:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I know it's too late for "new" features for natty, so my request is for
> oneiric. Currently the "Quick search" feature is disabled by default
> with a fresh install, however to make it functional only one of it's
> "recommended" packages needs to be installed as well. This package is
> "apt-xapian-index" (technical information below) which in my opinion is
> a small package to add a greatly appreciative feature of synaptic.
> 
> Additional information about it can be found with apt-cache show "apt-
> xapian-index" in terminal. Only the python-xapian dependency wasn't
> installed, who's information I'll also send with this mail.
> 
> So please consider to add this to the default installation and thanks
> for considering it.
> 
> With metta,
> 
> Chris Druif
> Technical information:
> ...

I think it does also need to run to create the index before you can use it. I 
don't if its done only by installing the missing package.  I know in KDE world 
muon packagemanager does update the xapian index when installing (in the 
postinst script). Synaptic does not do this so it needs to be run manually 
which might be a little bit complicated when using an automatic build 
procedure.

But in general +1 for this.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Any major "must fix before Beta" issues left in Lubuntu?

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Am Samstag 02 April 2011, um 20:56:03 schrieb Tyler Raper:
> Is there any way to include both install types on the same CD, this would
> allow the user to choose either graphical or non-graphical. If that is not
> an option then I believe that the non-graphical install would be the best
> solution in order to make installation work best on all systems. However,
> the graphical installer is slick and nice looking, if it was possible to
> have one look that nice and use less memory that would be ideal. Just a few
> thoughts.
> 
You can include both but as the debian installer (text based installer) does 
not support the ubuntu live installation it needs its own repository with all 
the basic system stuff and the lubuntu packages. 
So packaging both live system (with live installer)  and installation system 
(repo+debian installer) would exceed the 700 MB cd image limit. 
> 
> 
> From: lubuntu-desktop-bounces+tsr386=sbcglobal@lists.launchpad.net
> [mailto:lubuntu-desktop-bounces+tsr386=sbcglobal@lists.launchpad.net]
> On Behalf Of PYROcomp
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:59 AM
> To: Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
> Cc: lubuntu-desktop
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Any major "must fix before Beta" issues left
> in Lubuntu?
> 
> 
> 
> +1
> 
> 
> .___.
>   /  \
> 
>  | O _ O |
> 
>  /\_/\
>.' /   \ `.
>   / _|   |_ \
> (_/ |   | \_)
>\ /
>__\_>-<_/__
>   ~;/ \;~
> Don't mess with the penguin!
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 09:24, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset 
> wrote:
> 
> +1 here too for no-graphical-installer by default that's way too heavy for
> the machines Lubuntu is targetting.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> jpxsat
> 
> 2011/4/2 Mikhail Maksimov 
> 
> +1 for handling alternate CD as a "main" distribution,
> 
> 2011/3/31 Jorge Andrés Alvarez Oré 
> 
> +1 alternate CD - It´s suppose that the minimal memory for use Lubuntu is
> 192MB, but with 256MB to install it, it´s impossible to use it with a very
> old computer.
> 
> 2011/3/30 PCMan 
> 
> Text based installer + 1.
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Any major "must fix before Beta" issues left in Lubuntu?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Mittwoch 30 März 2011, um 14:23:52 schrieb PCMan:
> Text based installer + 1.
> The alternate CD with console-based UI is good enough IMO if it can
> have l10n user interface.
> Windows installer has long been text-based since windows 3.1 and it's
> still text-based in windows xp. Nobody complains of this so why should
> we insist that there should be a graphical one?
> Yes, if you boot from Windows xp installer cd on a machine without OS,
> you'll enter text-based installer. The GUI part is only available
> after the basic system is set up.
> 
> Actually, we can do the same.
> The text-based installer (part I) only installs base system and core
> components and then reboot and automatically login X11 with a super
> user. After boot, a GUI-based installer (part II) is launched and
> continues the remaining parts. This can make things much easier.
> 
> The only problem with this approach is, we cannot have a good
> GUI-based UI for partitioning. Windows XP handle this in text-mode,
> too. However, I see no real problem here. The rationale is quite
> simple.
> 
> Users who doesn't know how to use text-based UI are also the ones that
> will almost always choose "automatic partitioning". Others who like to
> use "customized" and "manual partitioning" are definitely advanced
> power users who don't need a GUI installer.
> So don't put 80% of development resources to do what only 20% people need.
> 
> Please, if someone know how to work with the text-based debian
> installer, consider this approach. Let's set up a base system with the
> text-based one, and continue the remainng parts in a GUI installer
> after rebooting into X11. This is also what Windows does.
> 
> Comments?

It needs to be a base system + X11 Otherwise it won't work. 
The other problem is the enormous effort and work we need to put in such a 
project. (e.g. I can promise you lots and lots of bugs, and yes I created an 
installer for ZevenOS-Neptune on my own, so I have a little experience in 
this) 

My suggestions just promote the alternate install cd for everyone who can't 
use the graphical (live) installer. Maybe we can one day also use the debian-
live-installer (which is basically the textinstaller from debian but able to 
run and install from a live system) as an alternative to ubiquity. 
The problem I see from switching from ubiquity to X would be that lubuntu will 
never become an official flavor of ubuntu. (even kubuntu uses ubiquity under 
the 
hood and only created a kde'ish interface for it)

> 
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
> 
>  wrote:
> >> >> Unfortunately, it will be very difficult to reduce the memory
> >> >> footprint of the installer for 11.04.
> >> 
> >> The other question this poses is, is it really necessary to have a
> >> graphical installer as the default for Lubuntu?
> > 
> > Some time ago, there was a question on the mailing list "What do you
> > expect from Lubuntu" and i think that a very important point is "it will
> > go where Ubuntu can't" or something like that.
> > A graphical installer is something that we do only one time (in theory)
> > so if it's a little "ugly" (text) IMHO i don't see the problem.
> > --
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] disk space need

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Sonntag 13 März 2011, um 14:44:45 schrieb 神癒礁湖 "(Rafael Laguna)":
> As said on the blog:
> 
> 
> I can't upgrade my netbook Positivo MOBO (hard drive 2gb only)
> with lubuntu 10.04 because new versions need more a lot of space
> (1,5gb > 3,2gb). Why?
> 
> 
> Does Natty need more space than Maverick?

Newer versions tend to have more features which will cost a little bit more 
harddrive space. A upgrade from an already running machine should be possibile 
if you update only the installed components and not metapackages like lubuntu-
desktop for example (which will pull all its depencies) 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Audio players - some thoughts & RFC

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Am Samstag 12 März 2011, um 18:31:14 schrieb 神癒礁湖 "(Rafael Laguna)":
> And no, you're right, this is NOT a democracy. I mean, the audio player
> has its own discussion (where everybody in this list voted their
> suggestion). But there's one thing we cannot forget, the technical
> details about RAM consumption, the space needed in the ISO, the license
> of the included product in a third party release, the update schedule
> and availability of packages, etc.
> 
> Believe when I tell that the coordinator of this project, Julien, is
> doing the best for keeping Lubuntu as efficient and attractive as
> possible. And I think we could demonstrate some empathy and trust for
> him.
Not only for him, but also respect the decision already done by the community 
(the audio player was voted if I am not wrong)  

Also bear in mind, changing the audio player or default applications is 
nothing that should change every release. Especially as upgrades from older 
releases tend to keep their versions of audio player. 
AudioPlayers and Webbrowsers are the two most discussed topics here in the 
mailinglist when it comes to default applications, but that is normal for a 
distribution that young. The most important is that those discussions don't 
interfere the development of the overall distribution and that is something 
Julien just like we all here in the community have to look at and should take 
responsibility for. 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] ISO size and language packs (was: Re: A new (very) alpha ISO to test: Announcing the arrival of lubuntu-natty-alpha-20110228-i386.iso )

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Montag 28 Februar 2011, um 21:34:16 schrieb Jonathan Marsden:
> ...
> 
> I take it the maximum ISO image size we are aiming for is 700MB, i.e.
> 700 * 1024 * 1024 = 734003200 bytes?
> 
> If so, then the current Lubuntu default package set for Natty is a LOT
> oversize (132.2MBytes oversize!), if we use all the GNOME language
> packs.  Does this mean Lubuntu needs to go on a "crash diet" and lose a
> bunch of packages??


Hmm... Lubuntu Natty will use 2.6.38 as kernel I think. This kernel introduces 
support for xz compressed (based upon lzma algorithm) squashfs images. So if 
we will use this compression for creating the filesystem.squashfs we could fit 
and even get way under the 700 MB barrier.  


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lxkeymap

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Montag 28 Februar 2011, um 16:01:13 schrieb Leszek Lesner:
> Am Montag 28 Februar 2011, um 15:56:37 schrieb Leszek Lesner:
> > Am Montag 28 Februar 2011, um 13:27:20 schrieb Yorvyk:
> > > Is there something missing here (see attached), there seems to generic
> > > icon on there, where something more important should be.
> > 
> > Yes the LXDE Banner seems to be missing here. (
> > /usr/share/lxkeymap/media/banner.png )
> > I think Julien you missed it from the deb package.

Sorry again. I doublechecked launchpad and bazaar. It seems I missed to commit 
the banner.png & banner.xcf source file. I uploaded them a few seconds ago. 
So basically my mistake :P

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lxkeymap

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Montag 28 Februar 2011, um 15:56:37 schrieb Leszek Lesner:
> Am Montag 28 Februar 2011, um 13:27:20 schrieb Yorvyk:
> > Is there something missing here (see attached), there seems to generic
> > icon on there, where something more important should be.
> 
> Yes the LXDE Banner seems to be missing here. (
> /usr/share/lxkeymap/media/banner.png )
> I think Julien you missed it from the deb package.
> 
I meant LXKeymap Banner of course ;) 
Btw. I used the old banner background from 10.10. (the same background thats 
used in the logout logo). 
We should change that to the new theme if the theme final

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lxkeymap

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Montag 28 Februar 2011, um 13:27:20 schrieb Yorvyk:
> Is there something missing here (see attached), there seems to generic icon
> on there, where something more important should be.

Yes the LXDE Banner seems to be missing here. ( 
/usr/share/lxkeymap/media/banner.png ) 
I think Julien you missed it from the deb package. 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Creating alternate ISOs, 64bit ISOs, etc. (status update)

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Mittwoch 23 Februar 2011, um 08:55:24 schrieb Jonathan Marsden:
> On 02/22/2011 09:47 PM, PYROcomp wrote:
> > We are interested in giving a hand with building install ISOs.
> > Is there a source for information on this process?
> > Could you help us out in getting started?
> > 
> > You do an EXCELLENT job and we know that opensource can be a very
> > time demanding hobby thus we wanna help out!
> 
> I have a HOWTO from Julien (gilir) that he uses to create the official
> Lubuntu ISOs.
> 
> I am in the process of (slowly and carefully) converting it into a
> script (actually a couple of scripts, at the moment; I might merge them
> back into one later) that can run automatically with no human input...
> if that works 100%, then using it would be one way to get others involved.
> 
> However, so far I've been asked not to redistribute the HOWTO (which is
> sort of almost a script) -- that's Julien's choice.
> 
> If I get ISOs created that really work correctly, and especially if I
> get automated daily or weekly builds going here, does your group have
> somewhere I can upload them to, that has appropriate server bandwidth to
> host them for others (worldwide) to download?  That would be a really
> useful thing to have; not needed right now today, but hopefully needed
> in a few days time :)
> 
> Incidentally, I hope to build my first "more or less Lubuntu" ISO from
> these two scripts, "hands off" except for entering a sudo password,
> before I go to bed tonight (it is 23:40 here... so that's not very far
> away at all!).  No promises, just a statement about where I am in this
> process :)
> 
> I also have info on the general idea of creating Ubuntu ISOs using the
> official Ubuntu tools and approaches, and once I have the "Julien way"
> working, I want to start moving towards the "Ubuntu official" way... but
> how long that will take, I don't yet know.
> 
> 
> 

Creating a LiveCD (also called Desktop CD) and creating a Install only CD are 
a different pair of shoes. 
The LiveCD basically is only a compressed and ready to use Lubuntu System 
(which is tweaked to run with a live user and so on) . The InstallCD is 
nothing but the debian-installer (also called text-only installer) plus a repo 
of packages (basically containing all the lubuntu packages necessary for 
installing a fresh lubuntu system). 
I already build both of them so far. The InstallCD was a little bit tricky 
back then, because the tasksel list needed patching for recognizing and 
installing the 'lubuntu-desktop' . 
My guess is that the ubuntu devs are using the live-helper scripts as they are 
quite good and can generate live and install cds. 
Back then I simply created a minimal install cd and patched it to use the 
lubuntu logo in isolinux. Then I also created a mirror containing the packages 
lubuntu-desktop depends on and repackaged the iso. (some things like the 
.disk-info/* files needed patching and renaming too) 
I guess this procedure can be automated with live-helper as you can create 
some scripts that it will exchange the branding and use a local repo. 
The same goes for the LiveCDs . 
The live-helper script way has the advantage of creating a git repo or bazaar 
repo containing all the configuration files, packagelists and so on for 
building 
the iso. So it is easily changeable and changes can be logged. 
I know the way of creating a script which only does what you want is quite 
convenient as I am also using my own script to build livecds. (called 
remaster-kit and that basically does what the names stands for, only remaster 
live systems which already exists)  



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Disk utility (palimpsest) bug

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Donnerstag 17 Februar 2011, um 09:46:41 schrieb Naveen Agrawal:
> Loong Jin
> 
> Please file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/palimpsest.
> 
> 
> The link provided  by you is incorrect. Please check it.
> 
> Regards
> Naveen

I think this should be the correct link: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/

Or simply search on bugs.launchpad.net 


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Suggestion: Move these apps from "Preferences" to "System Tools"

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Montag 07 Februar 2011, um 04:51:19 schrieb Jonathan Marsden:
> On 02/06/2011 06:29 PM, Kristian wrote:
> > Just put Lubuntu on a few machines. I can't see why the following
> > apps get listed as under "Preferences" in the menu - I think they
> > are definately "System Tools" and should be grouped as such. ...
> 
> I agree.  Since these packages are not (as far as I know)
> Lubuntu-specific, I think we need to find out why the Lubuntu/LXDE menu
> system is placing them in "Preferences" when the GNOME menus put them
> under "System" -- for the exact same .desktop files.
> 
> Does anyone know, or have a pointer to roughly where in the LXDE sources
> this decision (which menu to put apps into) is being done?  That would
> save me/us from wading through the code to try and find it.
> 
> Jonathan
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I think you are wong. If you take a look at the *.desktop file from synaptic 
you will notice that in the categories line there is more than one category 
given. If you compare TaskManager which can be found under the system menu and 
synaptic you will see that they bove are in the system category but that 
synaptic is also in the settings category. I think that the settings category 
has a higher priority and thats the case why synaptic is put in the 
preferences menu. And btw. its the same in ubuntu. (GNOME)
So I don't think we can fix that here. Maybe we could propose a lxde patched 
*.desktop file (just like the synaptic-kde.desktop file) but that wouldn't be a 
elegant solution. Everything else (i.e. messing with the menu generation code) 
might brake the freedesktop.org compatibility. 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] md5sum command on Wiki page

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Freitag 21 Januar 2011, um 14:18:42 schrieb Duy Hung Tran:
> Hi list,
> 
> In https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing, we suggest everybody use
> this command to get md5 checksum of ISO file:
> 
> md5sum | lubuntu-natty-alpha1.iso
> 
> This md5sum command doesn't work if we use with "|". Is there something
> wrong here?
> 
> Regards,

md5sum lubuntu-natty-alpha1.iso 
should give you the md5 sum. The pipe symbol shouldn't be there. 
You can execute 
md5sum lubuntu-natty-alpha1.iso > md5.txt 
to save the md5 in a text file if you want. 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Advertising

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Mittwoch 19 Januar 2011, um 10:13:28 schrieb Jared Norris:
> On 19 January 2011 18:31, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch 19 Januar 2011, um 00:10:20 schrieb Jared Norris:
> >> Good morning all,
> >> 
> >> I'm running a stand at a linux conference here in Australia and I'm
> >> looking to get a collection of screen casts or advertising videos
> >> together to display on the stand. To this end I thought it would be
> >> good to have one or two Lubuntu ones as well. I know about the screen
> >> casts on the website but these are mainly "how to" which I will use if
> >> I need to in the end but I would prefer one that was more advertising
> >> material. If you know of any please let me know as it is not this
> >> Saturday but the one following (sorry for the short notice.
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> 
> >> Jared Norris
> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris
> >> 
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> > I can create a short demo video I guess.
> > Ideas would be appreciated.
> 
> Leszek,
> 
> Thanks for the offer. Firstly let me say I'm far from a marketing or
> advertising guru so please, feel free to change anything I suggest and
> I really won't be offended and others may even have suggestions.
> 
> All I was thinking was something that could show that you can do
> everything you need on older/inexpensive hardware. So a screen cast
> showing a boot up (I'm not sure that's possible) and then showing off
> the bundled (sometimes lesser known about) programs that make Lubuntu
> lighter but still functional. If we can work into it some sort of
> system description (conky on the desktop perhaps?) to show that it is
> doing it on a smaller footprint computer. Really just to show that
> there is alternatives out there with functional options.
> 
> I was thinking it could be anything from 2 minutes long up until 30
> minutes (I don't expect it to be too long though, just saying the
> length really isn't important) and I wouldn't bother with a soundtrack
> unless others would make use of it as I probably won't even have
> speakers available.
> 
> I understand if you don't have time in the next week or so but even if
> it's not ready for my exhibit surely it would benefit others. Thanks
> heaps for your interest.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jared Norris
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris

Hmm... 2 minutes for a ad is  a long time. 
Showing the booting process is somehow boring I guess. 
But I showed off some of the apps included in Lubuntu and created a short 
little ad. Hope you enjoy it. 

http://blip.tv/file/4651366

Direct Download to HD WebM Version: http://blip.tv/file/get/Llelectronics-
LubuntuAD224.webm
Direct Download to HD Mp4 (h264) : http://blip.tv/file/get/Llelectronics-
LubuntuAD901.mp4

Sadly no OGG Theora version, as libtheora seems to strip down some text 
labeling delays. 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Advertising

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Mittwoch 19 Januar 2011, um 00:10:20 schrieb Jared Norris:
> Good morning all,
> 
> I'm running a stand at a linux conference here in Australia and I'm
> looking to get a collection of screen casts or advertising videos
> together to display on the stand. To this end I thought it would be
> good to have one or two Lubuntu ones as well. I know about the screen
> casts on the website but these are mainly "how to" which I will use if
> I need to in the end but I would prefer one that was more advertising
> material. If you know of any please let me know as it is not this
> Saturday but the one following (sorry for the short notice.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jared Norris
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris
> 
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I can create a short demo video I guess. 
Ideas would be appreciated. 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Login issue on Live CD

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Sonntag 09 Januar 2011, um 20:27:41 schrieb Tyler Raper:
> I ran into an issue last night when trying to use a Live CD of Lubuntu
> 10.10 on a friends computer. Windows had completely messed up and we were
> trying to get files off of the hard drive using the Live CD. Well the CD
> booted fine but when Lubuntu finally loaded up the splash screen came up
> requesting a Username and Password. Hitting enter to clear through the
> boxes didn't help. This is the first time I have seen this and while it is
> not a problem for my friend anymore, he downloaded Ubuntu 10.10 64bit , I
> figured this was a bug you guys would like to know about. If you have any
> more questions about the issue I will see what I can do about answering
> them.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks

The default settings uses 'ubuntu' as username and no password for password

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] screenshooter

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Dienstag 04 Januar 2011, um 18:33:22 schrieb Yaron Shahrabani:
> Well... There's Shutter  (formerly GScrot) but
> I think its way to heavy...
> 
> This is a really advanced tool.
> Yaron Shahrabani
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Duy Hung Tran 
wrote:
> > On 01/04/2011 11:11 PM, Marcelo Zacarias da Silva wrote:
> >> Hello all
> >> 
> >> Any recomendation for a simple program to take screenshots to
> >> use with Lubuntu? Would be possible to launch it with the PrtScrn key?
> >> 
> >> Thanx
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > You can use PrtSc key to take screenshots, after pressing PrtSc key, you
> > will see your screenshots in your home directory, their names look like
> > "2011-01-01-205055_1360x768_scrot.png".
> > 
> > You can also use mtpaint: Layers menu -> New layer -> choose Grab
> > Screenshot -> click Create button.
> > 
> > I hope these informations could help you.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 

scrot is already installed and creates screenshots when pressing the printscrn 
key. If it isn't you can start it from the terminal by entering scrot. 


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] A replacement

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Montag 03 Januar 2011, um 22:59:30 schrieb Julien Lavergne:
> Hi Phill,
> 
> Le lundi 03 janvier 2011 à 05:53 +, Phill Whiteside a écrit :
> > I have a potential padawan to replace the one that vanished who would
> > like to learn about iso building / backporting etc. In return he will
> > assist the lubuntu team, it is still early days but he is favourable
> > towards lubuntu as his posting at
> > http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/05/lubuntu-1004-distro-review.html
> > shows. Whilst he is after his own flavour of ubuntu I think he would
> > worth while taking on. I'd like to permanently kidnap him, but he really
> > wants to learn about making a distro and has done a decent job of the
> > one he has. The reason he contacted me was for for how to do a minimal
> > install iso, I then proceeded to kidnap him well you need some one
> > else who can take some of the work load off of you. He has assured me
> > that he will not desert Lubuntu, in fact, I think it may be possible to
> > convince him to drop his project and become fully committed to lubuntu.
> 
> Well, I don't have really the time to teach people on how to build iso.
> I think also that people that will learn this knowledge will want to
> create their own distro, sooner or later. You probably noticed than we
> run out of devs recently on LXDE side, so devs time is precious :) I
> would like to teach backporting, which could be useful for everyone. But
> I still can't find the time to organise it, so iso bulding is currently
> out of the scope.

And of course there are lots of tutorials which show you how to build a live 
cd iso or even a minimal install cd. 
Backporting is another thing. This needs basically packaging skills first, and 
again there are lots of tutorials out there. 


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubunu Screencasts

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Montag 03 Januar 2011, um 04:13:56 schrieb Mario Behling:
> Hi Phil,
> 
> would be great if you could host the videos on your server and if we
> could embed them somehow in the lubuntu site. Unfortunately the videos
> are currently with car advertisements when I view them. I already had
> some discussions with Leszek about this as blip also offers adsfree
> videos. It might be a solution if you host the videos, so we can offer
> adfree videos. I am not totally against advertising, if it is for a
> dedicated purpose. Particularly though, I find forced advertising
> before a video pretty annoying. Just reminds me of boring TV times.
> 

Btw. the videos are now linked directly from the lubuntu.net site. So there 
shouldn't be ads anymore. 

> Ciao,
> 
> Mario
> 
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:30 AM, Phill Whiteside  wrote:
> > Hiyas leszek,
> > hopefully by the end of January I will have the ubuntu server installed
> > on my friends dedicated server. If traffic on blip.tv is an issue, then
> > I will transfer them over to the new server. I'm also sure that I have
> > video conversion program on piglet if flv is causing people problems.
> > Regards,
> > Phill.
> > 
> > On 2 January 2011 15:29, Steve  wrote:
> >> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:43:54 -, Leszek Lesner 
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>> Am Sonntag 02 Januar 2011, um 00:41:22 schrieb Yorvyk:
> >>>> Interesting idea raised by now3d in IRC
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hi there.  Could I ask if you would consider switching the Adobe Flash
> >>>> videos to be in the Ogg Theora format and use  tag? I looked at
> >>>> http://lubuntu.net/ but all the videos wouldn't play from Firefox on
> >>>> Ubuntu.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Not sure how much work this would entail.
> >>>> Unfortunately my line kept dropping and I didn't get to talk about
> >>>> them not
> >>>> playing in FF.
> >>> 
> >>> The newer ones should run fine in Chromium with
> >>> chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra
> >>> installed. The older ones are unfortunately only avaiable as flv files.
> >>> The new videos from 2011 will be encoded in webm (which should be
> >>> playable in
> >>> every browser [FF 4.0 is needed]) + h264 (m4v as blip.tv now converts
> >>> automatically to it). As for the video tag. As far as I know chromium
> >>> is loading and caching those videos when you add them with the video
> >>> tag. That
> >>> would produce high traffic on the server. (blip.tv in that case) So a
> >>> link to
> >>> the file would be better I think. Clicking the link should then open up
> >>> the
> >>> video in the internal browser video player.
> >> 
> >> Thanks for the info Leszek.  I just download and play the in Lifrea or
> >> Opera and haven't had any problems.  I don't know what the problem in FF
> >> is (codec missing?) as they work for.
> >> 
> >> Once again thank you for making these screen-casts, as they are very
> >> useful.
> >> 
> >> Happy New Year to you.:)
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Steve (Yorvyk)
> >> http://lubuntu.net
> >> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubunu Screencasts

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Sonntag 02 Januar 2011, um 00:41:22 schrieb Yorvyk:
> Interesting idea raised by now3d in IRC
> 
> Hi there.  Could I ask if you would consider switching the Adobe Flash
> videos to be in the Ogg Theora format and use  tag? I looked at
> http://lubuntu.net/ but all the videos wouldn't play from Firefox on
> Ubuntu.
> 
> Not sure how much work this would entail.
> Unfortunately my line kept dropping and I didn't get to talk about them not
> playing in FF.

The newer ones should run fine in Chromium with chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra 
installed. The older ones are unfortunately only avaiable as flv files. 
The new videos from 2011 will be encoded in webm (which should be playable in 
every browser [FF 4.0 is needed]) + h264 (m4v as blip.tv now converts 
automatically to it). As for the video tag. As far as I know chromium is 
loading and caching those videos when you add them with the video tag. That 
would produce high traffic on the server. (blip.tv in that case) So a link to 
the file would be better I think. Clicking the link should then open up the 
video in the internal browser video player.  

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] proxy setup?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Montag 13 Dezember 2010, um 11:53:25 schrieb Zoltan Matlak:
> Installed Rabbit4.8 (a simple java proxy, which is really easy to use
> by the way), and got it up and running in no time. Probably squid is
> also easy to set up, I just did not have the time to try it. LXProxy
> is not acceptable for me, since logging out and back again is not
> something I would do for a proxy setting change.
There is simply no other way around for setting a global proxy(someone correct 
me if I am wrong). LXDE simply must reread the ~/.profile file for the proxy 
settings to globally apply. 
One alternative for you might be that you can start a terminal and execute 
"source ~/.profile" right after a proxy change in lxproxy, which will then load 
the proxy changes you made for this terminal window. So running chromium or 
another app will use then the shortly changed proxy settings. 


> 
> Unfortunatelly in Chromium 8.0.552.215 (67652) Ubuntu 10.10, I can not
> add proxy configuration to my browser. When I click on Change proxy
> settings, I'm getting:
> 
> "When running Chromium under a supported desktop environment, the
> system proxy settings will be used. However, either your system is not
> supported or there was a problem launching your system configuration.
> 
> But you can still configure via the command line. Please see man
> chromium-browser for more information on flags and environment
> variables."
> 
> 
> This is too bad.
Chromium just uses the system proxy settings and doesn't have its own proxy 
manager. 

> 
> Is this also related to the fact that LXDE is a "simple window
> manager" ? (bug related to the issue that Chromium can not determine
> if it's default browser or not):
> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=53066
I think chromium simply looks for the gnome gconf entries and not the 
freedesktop specification in xdg

> 
> Installed Midori and FF, both could be configured to use the above
> mentioned proxy (in general, proxies could be added to these
> browsers).
Yes those browsers have their own proxy managers on board. But you cannot set 
a global proxy for every app with them. 

> 
> thanks
> Zoltan
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] proxy setup?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Donnerstag 09 Dezember 2010, um 13:04:46 schrieb Zoltan Matlak:
> Hi,
> 
> I started using (at least tried) Lubuntu 10.10 at my workplace (enterprise
> environment), and need to setup a proxy.
> Is it possible to setup a system/global proxy in lubuntu? Tried Lxproxy,
> but did not work. Also couldn't find any info regarding this.
> 
> Can you please point me in the right direction (wiki, forum, etc..
> anything).
> 
> Thanks
> Zoltan

LXProxy needs a relogon to activate proxy settings as its writing them to your 
~/.profile file. Some apps also their own proxy configuration settings. 
And please write also a bug report ( http://launchpad.net/lxproxy ) with a 
little more details so that I can take a look at it and fix a problem that 
might occured. 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Alpha 1 Aministrative password wrong

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Sonntag 05 Dezember 2010, um 23:41:38 schrieb Steve:
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:08:48 -, Andrew Woodhead
> 
>  wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Steve 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >> Just got Natty Alpha 1 installed and when I try to start any program
> >> that requires my password the response is 'Incorrect password... try
> >> again.'
> >> 
> >>  Clearly the password is correct as I wouldn’t be able to log in and it
> >> 
> >> works in a terminal.
> > 
> > Try running:
> > 
> > passwd
> > 
> > and set it to something new to test
> 
> No change I’m afraid.
> Users and Groups, along with Disk Utility accept the password but,
> Synaptic and Update manager don’t.  So my original message about 'any
> program' was wrong.

Is your user in the group wheel and is wheel activated to use sudo (see 
/etc/sudoers with roots right) ?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] trash can question

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Samstag 04 Dezember 2010, um 08:16:55 schrieb Zoltan Matlak:
> Hi,
> 
> Is it possible to add trash can to desktop or to task bar? Or the only way
> to access it is from the file manager?
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> Zoltan

Just create a new txt file called trash.desktop in the Desktop folder and paste 
in the following:

Type=Application
Icon=emptytrash
Name=Trash
Name[de]=Persönliches Verzeichnis
Categories=FileManager;Utility;Core;GTK;
Exec=pcmanfm trash:///
StartupNotify=true
Terminal=false

This will give you a trash icon on the desktop. But unfortunately the icon is 
fixed and won't change if there is something in the trash. 


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Hotot

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Samstag 27 November 2010, um 18:22:24 schrieb kosaidpo:
> > Try asking the hotot team or bugtracker about this problem
> 
> hello : )
>  i already did poste an issue in its wiki  http://is.gd/hRkAH
> but when i try to track it with ubuntu-bug it  says " cant report any
> issue no such package found "
> 
> thanks

This is because it isn't packaged in the official ubuntu repo.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Hotot

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Samstag 27 November 2010, um 14:39:12 schrieb kosaidpo:
> hello guys
> lately for some unkonwn reason i  cant open Url in hotot any idea why
> o how to fix this ??
> 
> 
> regards

Try opening it under a terminal and see what happens when you click an url

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lxpanel transparency

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Donnerstag 25 November 2010, 11:30:00 schrieb kosaidpo:
> hello guys anyone knoes any workaround to make the lxpanel transparent ?
> 
> best regards
> kosaidpo

Try create a transparent png file and set it as background perhaps ;) 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lxpanel transparency

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Donnerstag 25 November 2010, 11:30:00 schrieb kosaidpo:
> hello guys anyone knoes any workaround to make the lxpanel transparent ?
> 
> best regards
> kosaidpo

Create a transparent png file and set it as background

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Applications by default : remove Cheese

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Sonntag 21 November 2010, 18:46:39 schrieb 神癒礁湖 "(Rafael Laguna)":
> I really prefer the Lubuntu CC for next release. But I ask (in my
> ignorance), can it accept more options via modules or something like
> that?

It is written as an pygtk app and uses glade. So its only a matter of putting 
in a new icon via glade (the gui to edit *.ui files) and the right command in 
the lubuntu-control-center.py 
So no it does not have an module or addon methode but adding a new entry is 
not very hard

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Applications by default : remove Cheese

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Sonntag 21 November 2010, 12:30:23 schrieb Yorvyk:
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 11:37:02 +0100
> 
> Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I would like to remove cheese from the installation by default. There is
> > 2 main reasons :
> > - It's not strictly necessary, except for testing the webcam and taking
> > photos. We don't need the fancy effects by default.
> > - It will require Clutter in the next version, which is something that
> > should not be included in Lubuntu (like Compiz and Pulseaudio ...).
> 
> Not really used it myself but if it is going to require Clutter then it may
> as well go now.

Also if someone wants to use his webcam he will use it 99% for webchatting 
which is possibile with piding. So I think its good to remove it

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Applications by default : control-center

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Am Sonntag 21 November 2010, 11:45:34 schrieb Julien Lavergne:
> Hi,
> 
> A control-center is an usual requested feature for Lubuntu. I think it
> would be a good addition. For now, we have 2 choices :
> - lubuntu-control-center, which is simple but a bit limited
+1 for the lubuntu-control-center (and thats not only  because I wrote it)
The tuquido control center seems to fancy for me. It reminds me of the Windows 
XP/Vista Control center with all its category hell. Where you don't find 
anything so easily. It also requires Webkit as a dependency. 

> - the tuquido control-center [1], quite complete with a nice look.
> 
> I don't know other control-center which could fit in Lubuntu.
> 
> For people which want to use a control-center, what features do you
> expect ?
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
> [1] :
> http://blog.mariocolque.com.ar/2010/11/19/nuevo-centro-de-control-mas-intui
> tivo-y-personalizable/
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Applications by default: Replace xarchiver by file-roller

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Sonntag 21 November 2010, 11:40:08 schrieb Julien Lavergne:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to open the discussion on the archiver.
> On my 2 systems using Lubuntu, one of the first thing I do is replacing
> xarchiver by file-roller. For me, the GUI is better and it's easier to
> use. There is also no extra GNOME depends.
> 
> I would like to know if people tested it on a small configuration, to
> see if the behavior is also good enough.
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
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+1 for this. 
file-roller seems the only graphical application that handles rar archives 
,that need a password to list its contents,  properly. All the others seem to 
fail here.  

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Deadbeef in Lubuntu PPA

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Sonntag 14 November 2010, 09:01:17 schrieb Glenn de Groot:
> Lxmusic on my netbook when playing a mp3: 20% cpu and 14 mb of ramI like
> lxmusic more then aqualung. -Glenn
> 
> > Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:10:08 +
> > From: yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com
> > To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Deadbeef in Lubuntu PPA
> > 
> > On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:39:33 +0100
> > 
> > Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> > > Le mercredi 10 novembre 2010 à 23:36 +, Andrew Woodhead a écrit :
> > > > Deadbeef is the nuts. I can't rate it highly enough :)
> > > 
> > > But you should be more verbose than this if you want to convince us :)
> > 
> > A quick test of the two, using a two song play list with one each mp3 &
> > ogg gave:
> > 
> > Deadbeef80% CPU usage   23 MB RAM
> > Aqualung50% CPU usage   26 MB RAM

Lxmusic uses xmms2 and a xmms2 server to playback. I don't think you messured 
them aswell ?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 10.10 RMX

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Dienstag 09 November 2010, 18:47:12 schrieb T.Beemster:
> On 11/09/2010 06:40 PM, 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) wrote:
> > Ok, it seems that your goal is a Lubuntu Remix. Nice job and nice
> > customization. But I have to disappoint you. The Lubuntu artwork is
> > not intended or designed to be cool, just practical and simple, as
> > possible. Despite my words, I'm not offended, but there's a difference
> > between using OUR artwork and using the Orta GTK and many other
> > elements, that you must consider on mentioning GPL (or whatever)
> > licenses.
> > 
> > Anyway, you can always vote on the next artwork poll...
> 
> I disagree on you there. His goal was to make a working lubuntu system
> for his laptop, and it worked out well for him, so he was kind enough to
> share it with the mailing list. (That's my opinion on it).
> And I don't see why the artwork should be simple/basic. I mean some
> simple things will improve the appearance of lubuntu hugely, in my opinion.
> I might be wrong about this, but I think whether you have a bad computer
> or a really good one, (almost) everyone likes eyecandy. But again, this
> is just my humble opinion and based on no research whatsoever.

The Artwork needs to be strict and clear and give the user the impression of a 
corporate identity. So that even without seeing the Lubuntu logo you will 
guess from the colors used and how they are mixed up together: "Oh that must 
be lubuntu". 
The strict direction or dogma Lubuntu follows here is "Be simple" (don't know 
if its only inoffical or somewhere offically written down) . That is good and 
should not be changed drastically. (Changing a brand or corporate identiy to 
drastically does not work, some folks here in germany [perhaps also in europe] 
might know the disaster with Raider becoming Twix in the 90s) 
There are some good websites like box-look.org and gnome-look.org aswell as 
kde-look.org to get good wallpaper, icon sets and even openbox themes. 
One interesting idea I had was perhaps creating a special lubuntu-themes-extra 
package which could contain some community created themes. This package may 
then be make public on the lubunt ppa and later perhaps also become a part of 
the official ubuntu repository. If there is enough space on the disk we could 
also ship it default installed. 
But don't get me wrong on this. The basic theme we ship now is good enough. We 
should focus more on polishing the desktop experience for the user. 
Fixing bugs and perhaps adding some interesting features. 
Experimenting with Remixes can be a help to improve your/our own knowledge and 
can give as some hind on how to improve some things. But with that said, I 
don't think everyone now should start its own remix :P 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] dropbox and pcmanfm

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Dienstag 09 November 2010, 22:34:18 schrieb kosaidpo:
> hello guys
> i've installed dropbox but when i clik right and choose open the
> folder it gets opened with chromuim
> so guys any tip how to open it with pcmanfm ??
> 
> thanks

I think dropbox uses hardcoded nautilus as its only file browser. If it isn't 
installed it will fallback to the default browser. So in your case chromium. 
Fill in a bug report on the dropbox bug tracker (if there exists one). It 
should simply use xdg-open and  then the users of wouldn't have such problems.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Elementary Icon in the Installer

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Donnerstag 28 Oktober 2010, 15:17:00 schrieb Mike Smith:
> Hey guys,
> 
> Phill suggested that I mention this in the mailing list. I noticed while
> installing the latest Lubuntu via USB that the Elementary logo/icon ('e')
> displays instead of a Lubuntu or LXDE logo/icon.

I guess we should then edit the elementary icon theme and make a elementary-
lubuntu icon theme which replaces the e with the lubuntu logo. 
As you can see in my LiveCD Installation screencast it shows up the lubuntu 
logo, so I don't know exactly where the 'e' logo appears ?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] problem with crypted home

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Am Donnerstag 28 Oktober 2010, 10:01:44 schrieb Max:
> Installing lubuntu from the iso on an usb key, using an encrypted home
> directory, leads to an unusable desktop.
> 
> The skeleton is not copied to the home directory, where i found only
> these files:
> 
> Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop
> .ecryptfs
> README.txt
> 
> this obviously creates a lot of problem: chromium doesn't start, gksudo
> doesn't work (.xauthority lacks) etc. etc.
> 
> I experienced this twice, but i don't know if it depends by the usb key
> or this also happens installing on a hard disk.

I think it is a known bug. 

> 
> 
> Max Franco
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE + OOo Impress + Ubuntu / Lubuntu--> squeezed subscripts

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Am 24.10.2010 13:43, schrieb Mårten Behm:
> Yes, it works and it's a good idea. But it's still a problem when the
> document is opened on another computer, like my Gnome-Ubuntu machine.
> Then it will most likely look expanded. My live Lubuntu session just
> crashed before I had saved the file to an external drive. So I give up
> producing any hard evidence for today. Have to go to work now.
>
> I think it is definitely something buggy in the border regions between
> OOo, LXDE and Ubuntu/ Debian. I just don't know who is interested in the
> problem. Should I turn to OpenOffice.org?
>   
Yes it won't be wrong to ask the OpenOffice guys.
> lör 2010-10-23 klockan 12:21 +0200 skrev Leszek Lesner:
>   
>> Am 23.10.2010 11:42, schrieb Mårten Behm:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the reply. I will send a file when I get home. I'm convinced the 
>>> same .odp file will look OK in Fedora LXDE Respin, but I will try. By the 
>>> way, I checked running Linux Mint LXDE in live mode which reproduced the 
>>> problem. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, what I do is I just open a new blank presentation file, choose a 
>>> bullet list layout, or anything else, and start typing. Highlight 
>>> "particle", go to Format -> Character -> Position tab, choosing subscript, 
>>> and OK. Pressing F5 gets me into presentation mode.
>>>   
>>>   
>> Ok I figured it out I guess. In the Character -> Position Tab make sure
>> to set the spacing to expanded for example by 1.0 or 2.0 pt. This will
>> correct the error for me at least. But I had to click on the slide to
>> unmark the textbox that usally draws arround the bulletpoint list to
>> have an effect in the fullscreen mode. Please try this and see if it
>> fixes this also for you.
>> 
>>> 23 okt 2010 kl. 10.39 skrev Leszek Lesner:
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> Am 23.10.2010 08:17, schrieb Mårten Behm:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Here are two screenshots - one in presentation mode and the other in
>>>>> normal edit mode.
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>> This might be a bug in OpenOffice but I am not quite sure if how you
>>>> created this document. Did you draw a textbox for the crunched text ? Or
>>>> how did you do it ?
>>>> (Maybe the best would be also uploading this example test file aswell)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> fre 2010-10-22 klockan 21:53 +0200 skrev Leszek Lesner:
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>>> Am 22.10.2010 21:49, schrieb Mårten Behm:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just joined Lubuntu on Launchpad in my search for a forum for this
>>>>>>> problem. I was recommended to try this at the lxde forum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been using Eeebuntu 3.0 LXDE beta on my EeePC 900. It's been
>>>>>>> working great, except for this one thing. I use it at work for
>>>>>>> presentations with OOo Impress, but in slide show mode subscript letters
>>>>>>> get squeezed together and look terrible. This makes it quite useless
>>>>>>> with science-related stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>> I think a screenshot would be quite interesting to get to understand
>>>>>> your problem better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So I changed to Lubuntu 10.04, but the problem remained. The issue
>>>>>>> doesn't seem hardware specific as it was reproduced on an old Dell
>>>>>>> Optiplex GX60. I should also say that OOo Writer works OK in this
>>>>>>> respect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I decided that the problem might be Ubuntu or Debian specific so I
>>>>>>> installed the Fedora 13 LXDE respin. And the problem is gone! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today I thought I might try Lubuntu 10.10. Same problem!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I suppose I can use Fedora, and that's it. However, I would like to
>>>>>>> stay with Ubuntu because I use it on my other computers and would like
>>>>>>> to avoid having to learn another distribution from scratch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any ideas? Thanks. /Mårten
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE + OOo Impress + Ubuntu / Lubuntu--> squeezed subscripts

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 23.10.2010 11:42, schrieb Mårten Behm:
> Thanks for the reply. I will send a file when I get home. I'm convinced the 
> same .odp file will look OK in Fedora LXDE Respin, but I will try. By the 
> way, I checked running Linux Mint LXDE in live mode which reproduced the 
> problem. 
>
> Anyway, what I do is I just open a new blank presentation file, choose a 
> bullet list layout, or anything else, and start typing. Highlight "particle", 
> go to Format -> Character -> Position tab, choosing subscript, and OK. 
> Pressing F5 gets me into presentation mode.
>   
Ok I figured it out I guess. In the Character -> Position Tab make sure
to set the spacing to expanded for example by 1.0 or 2.0 pt. This will
correct the error for me at least. But I had to click on the slide to
unmark the textbox that usally draws arround the bulletpoint list to
have an effect in the fullscreen mode. Please try this and see if it
fixes this also for you.
> 23 okt 2010 kl. 10.39 skrev Leszek Lesner:
>
>   
>> Am 23.10.2010 08:17, schrieb Mårten Behm:
>> 
>>> Here are two screenshots - one in presentation mode and the other in
>>> normal edit mode.
>>>
>>>   
>> This might be a bug in OpenOffice but I am not quite sure if how you
>> created this document. Did you draw a textbox for the crunched text ? Or
>> how did you do it ?
>> (Maybe the best would be also uploading this example test file aswell)
>> 
>>> fre 2010-10-22 klockan 21:53 +0200 skrev Leszek Lesner:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Am 22.10.2010 21:49, schrieb Mårten Behm:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> Just joined Lubuntu on Launchpad in my search for a forum for this
>>>>> problem. I was recommended to try this at the lxde forum.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been using Eeebuntu 3.0 LXDE beta on my EeePC 900. It's been
>>>>> working great, except for this one thing. I use it at work for
>>>>> presentations with OOo Impress, but in slide show mode subscript letters
>>>>> get squeezed together and look terrible. This makes it quite useless
>>>>> with science-related stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>> I think a screenshot would be quite interesting to get to understand
>>>> your problem better.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> So I changed to Lubuntu 10.04, but the problem remained. The issue
>>>>> doesn't seem hardware specific as it was reproduced on an old Dell
>>>>> Optiplex GX60. I should also say that OOo Writer works OK in this
>>>>> respect.
>>>>>
>>>>> I decided that the problem might be Ubuntu or Debian specific so I
>>>>> installed the Fedora 13 LXDE respin. And the problem is gone! 
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I thought I might try Lubuntu 10.10. Same problem!
>>>>>
>>>>> So I suppose I can use Fedora, and that's it. However, I would like to
>>>>> stay with Ubuntu because I use it on my other computers and would like
>>>>> to avoid having to learn another distribution from scratch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas? Thanks. /Mårten
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE + OOo Impress + Ubuntu / Lubuntu--> squeezed subscripts

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 23.10.2010 08:17, schrieb Mårten Behm:
> Here are two screenshots - one in presentation mode and the other in
> normal edit mode.
>   
This might be a bug in OpenOffice but I am not quite sure if how you
created this document. Did you draw a textbox for the crunched text ? Or
how did you do it ?
(Maybe the best would be also uploading this example test file aswell)
> fre 2010-10-22 klockan 21:53 +0200 skrev Leszek Lesner:
>   
>> Am 22.10.2010 21:49, schrieb Mårten Behm:
>> 
>>> Just joined Lubuntu on Launchpad in my search for a forum for this
>>> problem. I was recommended to try this at the lxde forum.
>>>
>>> I have been using Eeebuntu 3.0 LXDE beta on my EeePC 900. It's been
>>> working great, except for this one thing. I use it at work for
>>> presentations with OOo Impress, but in slide show mode subscript letters
>>> get squeezed together and look terrible. This makes it quite useless
>>> with science-related stuff.
>>>   
>>>   
>> I think a screenshot would be quite interesting to get to understand
>> your problem better.
>> 
>>> So I changed to Lubuntu 10.04, but the problem remained. The issue
>>> doesn't seem hardware specific as it was reproduced on an old Dell
>>> Optiplex GX60. I should also say that OOo Writer works OK in this
>>> respect.
>>>
>>> I decided that the problem might be Ubuntu or Debian specific so I
>>> installed the Fedora 13 LXDE respin. And the problem is gone! 
>>>
>>> Today I thought I might try Lubuntu 10.10. Same problem!
>>>
>>> So I suppose I can use Fedora, and that's it. However, I would like to
>>> stay with Ubuntu because I use it on my other computers and would like
>>> to avoid having to learn another distribution from scratch.
>>>
>>> Any ideas? Thanks. /Mårten
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE + OOo Impress + Ubuntu / Lubuntu--> squeezed subscripts

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 22.10.2010 21:49, schrieb Mårten Behm:
> Just joined Lubuntu on Launchpad in my search for a forum for this
> problem. I was recommended to try this at the lxde forum.
>
> I have been using Eeebuntu 3.0 LXDE beta on my EeePC 900. It's been
> working great, except for this one thing. I use it at work for
> presentations with OOo Impress, but in slide show mode subscript letters
> get squeezed together and look terrible. This makes it quite useless
> with science-related stuff.
>   
I think a screenshot would be quite interesting to get to understand
your problem better.
> So I changed to Lubuntu 10.04, but the problem remained. The issue
> doesn't seem hardware specific as it was reproduced on an old Dell
> Optiplex GX60. I should also say that OOo Writer works OK in this
> respect.
>
> I decided that the problem might be Ubuntu or Debian specific so I
> installed the Fedora 13 LXDE respin. And the problem is gone! 
>
> Today I thought I might try Lubuntu 10.10. Same problem!
>
> So I suppose I can use Fedora, and that's it. However, I would like to
> stay with Ubuntu because I use it on my other computers and would like
> to avoid having to learn another distribution from scratch.
>
> Any ideas? Thanks. /Mårten
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

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Am 21.10.2010 12:38, schrieb PCMan:
> Is there any chance that we keep supporting these old machines?
> I don't see any reason to force the use of i686.
> Only the compiler flags need to be changed.
> All programs should be able to be compiled with i586.
> If supporting i586 is not allowed by Canonical, then I personally
> think we need a fork.
>   
Thats somehow insane. The community isn't big enough to host a fork.
A fork would mean copy the whole ubuntu repo and recompile everything
for i586.
("Forking"/)Taking  the kernel package and add support for i586 and put
it in the ppa would be much more appropiate.
Or perhaps Canonical agrees to build special i586 enabled kernels that
lubuntu can use.
> A distro aimed to provide best desktop experience for old and limited
> machines doesn't run on old machines at all. This is really ironic,
> isn't it?
>   
Yes that is kind of strange ;)
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Yorvyk  wrote:
>   
>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:10:45 +0100
>> Phill Whiteside  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Julien,
>>>
>>>  as we are the last post of support for "older" computers, to  with
>>> Canonical and them dropping the support from the kernel for i586 and below
>>> that I thought that was the 'raison d'etre' for Lubuntu. We cannot turn our
>>> backs on these people.  Just my 2 cents worth.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Phill.
>>>
>>> On 21 October 2010 00:02, Yorvyk  wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 -
 Christian Stöveken  wrote:

 
> Hey,
>
> I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into
> the cmov missing problem.
> Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov
> support should be compiled into the kernel
> (imho).
>
> I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov
> support in recent kernels.
>
>   
 Sadly, yes.  See  this thread
 https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html

 
>>>   
>> We’ll probably have to support 10.04 for a bit longer for these machines.
>>
>> --
>> Steve Cook (Yorvyk)
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Update Manager

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Am 19.10.2010 06:00, schrieb Phill Whiteside:
> An update
>
>
> (04:58:31) hungtran: phillw: uh oh, I misunderstand, what uses 10 MB RAM is
> "update-notifier" not "update-manager", update-notifier runs automatically
> in the background and update-manager is just a gtk application
>   
Yeah thats true the update-notifier ist starting in the background and
checking if updates are avaiable. Just remove the update-notifier or
disable it in autostart would fix this.
I am experimenting with a simply zenity shell script which will do
almost the same as update-notifier, but I am still not sure if I can
have it use less than 10 MB.
> Sorry,
>
> Phill.
>
> On 19 October 2010 04:40, Phill Whiteside  wrote:
>
>   
>> Hiyas Julien...
>>
>> Not sure where to file this bug
>>
>> the below explains the problem..
>> (04:13:44) hungtran: hello, anyone here has tried lubuntu with a 128MB RAM
>> machine?
>> (04:16:39) phillw: hungtran: yeah many have
>> (04:17:28) phillw: installing it off the normal cd will not work on such a
>> machine though.
>> (04:19:18) phillw: hungtran: you will need to use
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
>> (04:20:24) hungtran: phillw: oh thanks I know it, I just want to be sure
>> that we could run Lubuntu on machines like that
>> (04:21:47) phillw: hungtran:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Intended%20Audience and the team are
>> resolute that it will remain the case.
>> (04:24:04) hungtran: phillw: in 10.10 update manager uses much memory, is
>> it safe if I remove it?
>> (04:24:24) phillw: yes, quite safe
>> (04:25:16) phillw: you can manually update if you want, but lubuntu does
>> not issue releases every two days like some do :)
>> (04:27:31) phillw: if you use the mini-iso it installs without
>> auto-updates turned on.
>> (04:28:06) hungtran: phillw: yeah, I don't think put update manager in
>> lubuntu is a good idea, my old laptop runs 10.10 a bit slower than 10.04,
>> but I think that because i'm familiar with terminal and linux, some new
>> Linux users could like update manager :)
>> (04:28:43) hungtran: phillw: yes, I use mini-iso but update manager is
>> still running and uses about 10MB RAM :(
>> (04:29:18) phillw: it's always a hard call to make; we want lubuntu to be
>> user friendly, but with that comes an overhead.
>> (04:30:15) phillw: you can remove it, and get that precious 10MB of RAM
>> back.
>> (04:32:34) hungtran: phillw: do you know about translation process?
>> lubuntu team updates new translation or lxde team does? Vietnamese
>> translation is almost done now but I can't see it in 10.10
>> (04:32:41) phillw: Step 9 on
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall says to
>> leave it off? Are you saying it is being turned back on ?
>> (04:33:26) hungtran: phillw: yes I always turn it off, it's like my habit
>> now :), I always update ubuntu and lubuntu in terminal
>> (04:34:00) phillw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Translations has
>> details on translation projects.
>> (04:34:16) hungtran: phillw: i think it auto update is off but update
>> manager is on, it runs but I think I do nothing
>> (04:34:30) hungtran:  phillw: i think it auto update is off but
>> update manager is on, it runs but I think it does nothing
>> (04:34:42) phillw: hungtran: I will file a bug for you.
>> (04:35:20) hungtran: phillw: oh thanks
>> (04:35:44) phillw: lubuntu should not be using up 10MB of your RAM for a
>> useless process.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

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Am 18.10.2010 15:25, schrieb Julien Lavergne:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:59:06 +0200
> Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>
>   
>> I created a Install CD by simply creating a minimal install CD plus a repo. 
>> Unfortunetly the Installation fails after installing the base system, 
>> because it tries to install a package called lubuntu-desktop^ in the tasksel 
>> process which it cant find. I tried this with the modified tasksel version 
>> of yours. I even checked the modification you made but cant find the error. 
>> 
> I'm not sure I made the correct fix for tasksel, it probably needs another 
> fix somewhere. But I interesting to know how you made the initial CD, because 
> I only find how doing an iso with squash filesystem, but not with .deb 
> packages.
>   
Ok I see it wasn't quite the right fixes you made as the last line in
lubuntu-desktop from the ubuntu-tasks folder contains
> Packages: task-fields
This would as far as I understand connect to the ubuntu server and
search for a corresponding task. But there isn't one.
> Packages: list
>   lubuntu-desktop
works much better and fixes the error I got before.

To create the CD I basically took the xubuntu alternate cd. Then I
copied over the whole ISO and put it into one directory(lets call it
cd-img). Replaced the isolinux folder with the fancy isolinux folder
from the livecd with the cool looking logo png and where you can set
language with F2 and with F3 the keymap and so on.
The first thing that I did afterwards was taking the xubuntu.preseed
file that ships with the xubuntu-10.10-alternate-i386.iso and changing
it basically from xubuntu-desktop to lubuntu-desktop(I know there is a
lubuntu.seed file on the live cd but I took the one from the other
alternate cds as they were more entries and I didn't want to mess ups
things). Then I put this preseed file back to my copy of the minimal
install cd(so the cd-img folder) into the preseed folder.
I did change the txt.cfg file in isolinux so that the default option
would boot with the preseed file option of the lubuntu.seed .
Then the little bit more tricky part create a repository. For creating
this repository I know that I need every package that needs to be
installed when installing lubuntu-desktop. Every means every , so also
xorg and those other stuffs. As I had a Minimal Install ISO aswell I
simply created a minimal installed cli only system in virtualbox and
apt-get install(ed) lubuntu-desktop. All the required deb files are
stored in /var/cache/apt/. The only thing to do now is getting those deb
files outside the virtual machine. Then there is a cool package called
apt-move which is pretty handy as it can automatically copy or move
those deb files in a repository like hierarchical folder view. So it
will create automatically the structure of a repository that you need,
by putting in lubuntu-desktop for example  in a
pool/l/lubuntu-meta/lubuntu-desktop_xXX-i386.deb file/folder structure.
By default this repository structure will be put into /mirrors/debian so
you need root right to run apt-move. But I guess the default folder is
changeable I just was to lazy to read the manpage ;)
Then we copy over the pool directory to the cd-img folder. Again me as
being lazy I didn't overwrite all the packages that where already in the
xubuntu pool directory (they can be deleted later I guess or you can
delete the whole pool directory with the exception of the udeb files. So
'find . -name "*.udeb"' and copy over all udeb files as they are
necessary for the installer). Then we have the pool directory almost
ready. I had to repackage the ubuntu-keyring package as I don't have the
private key to sign the cd and the new repository with official ubuntu
keyring. So I downloaded the keyring and added my own private key to it.
This step is really important because otherwise the installer won't
install if the repo isn't signed. So I repackaged this package and put
it into the pool structure unter u/ubuntu-keyring I think it was.
That should be all for the pool directory. Basically we need the Release
and Packages.gz file for the repository now and sign it.
So I created a release.conf file ( storing the basic info like distro
name , codename and main + universe repos) and a config file you can see
here to get an Idea how it works:
http://pastebin.ca/1965874
This is basically the file that will scan the pool files and create the
Packages.gz for each repo (means main and universe).
As you can see here you need also some override files that you can get
from here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/indices
As the above config file will only create a package listing for debs I
created also a config which scans all the udebs.
Here is the config: http://pastebin.ca/1965876
As you can see I basically only replaced the deb with udeb :)
Now we have all the config files lets build the packages and release
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 18.10.2010 10:59, schrieb Leszek Lesner:
> I created a Install CD by simply creating a minimal install CD plus a repo. 
> Unfortunetly the Installation fails after installing the base system, because 
> it tries to install a package called lubuntu-desktop^ in the tasksel process 
> which it cant find. I tried this with the modified tasksel version of yours. 
> I even checked the modification you made but cant find the error. 
>   
Ah and btw. I forgot to mention as the base system is already bootable I
was able to skip installing the tasksel process and installing grub
which allowed my to boot and then install manually with apt-get install
lubuntu-desktop the lubuntu desktop system completely from the cd repo.
> Julien Lavergne  schrieb:
>
>   
>> On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 23:26:31 +0100
>> Phill Whiteside  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Hi Julien,
>>>
>>> I know you are always pressed for time, but we could really do with a text
>>> based install for lubuntu. A couple of people on earlier use PCMIA cards
>>> from their elderly laptops for ethernet and the mini-iso does not see them
>>> correctly.
>>>   
>> Well, it's not as easy as creating the normal iso. I didn't find any useful 
>> documentation about this. I'll continue to work on this, but I need to focus 
>> on Natty developpement now. At least, the minimal install can do the same 
>> job.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Julien Lavergne
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

[Leszek Lesner]

I created a Install CD by simply creating a minimal install CD plus a repo. 
Unfortunetly the Installation fails after installing the base system, because 
it tries to install a package called lubuntu-desktop^ in the tasksel process 
which it cant find. I tried this with the modified tasksel version of yours. I 
even checked the modification you made but cant find the error. 

Julien Lavergne  schrieb:

>On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 23:26:31 +0100
>Phill Whiteside  wrote:
>
>> Hi Julien,
>> 
>> I know you are always pressed for time, but we could really do with a text
>> based install for lubuntu. A couple of people on earlier use PCMIA cards
>> from their elderly laptops for ethernet and the mini-iso does not see them
>> correctly.
>
>Well, it's not as easy as creating the normal iso. I didn't find any useful 
>documentation about this. I'll continue to work on this, but I need to focus 
>on Natty developpement now. At least, the minimal install can do the same job.
>
>Regards,
>Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu on Intel and i586

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 15.10.2010 21:02, schrieb Yorvyk:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:51:51 +0200
> Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>
>   
>> Am 15.10.2010 19:40, schrieb Yorvyk:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:51:42 +0200
>>> Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> Am 15.10.2010 06:20, schrieb Ben Coleman:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/14/2010 07:24 PM, Benny Hult wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>>> But it lacks with packages if you compare to Lubuntu.
>>>>>> Hope we can see you using Lubuntu still in the future, becouse the grass
>>>>>> ain't greener on the other side of the fence ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, turns out that my other Lubuntu candidate (A Compaq Armada 7800
>>>>> running a PII/266) is i686-class despite being slower than the AMD, so
>>>>> Lubuntu 10.10 should run OK on it, if I can manage to burn a Lubuntu
>>>>> CD-R that it will read (the CDROM reader on this machine tends to be a
>>>>> bit finicky, and it's old enough that I don't think that it will boot
>>>>> from USB Flash).
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>> There is a trick to it. You must create a Live-CD and a Live USB Stick.
>>>> Pop in the CD and try booting from the cd until you see the bootmenu.
>>>> Stick in the USB Live Stick.
>>>> Now you need to act fast. Press Enter to boot. Wait until the message
>>>> Loading xyz ... displays on your screen. Now pop out the cd-rom and it
>>>> will then boot from usb key.
>>>> It's a nice trick to get any computer with cdrom drive boot from usb.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Try as I might I cannot get that to work
>>>   
>>>   
>> Doesn't it detect the usb stick or does it fail even to go into init ?
>>
>>
>> 
> Doesn’t see detect the USB stick.
>
>   
Hmm... then it shouldn't even detect usb sticks after a complete boot
from livecd. Is this correct ?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu on Intel and i586

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 15.10.2010 19:40, schrieb Yorvyk:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:51:42 +0200
> Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>
>   
>> Am 15.10.2010 06:20, schrieb Ben Coleman:
>> 
>>> On 10/14/2010 07:24 PM, Benny Hult wrote:
>>>   
>>>> But it lacks with packages if you compare to Lubuntu.
>>>> Hope we can see you using Lubuntu still in the future, becouse the grass
>>>> ain't greener on the other side of the fence ;)
>>>> 
>>> Well, turns out that my other Lubuntu candidate (A Compaq Armada 7800
>>> running a PII/266) is i686-class despite being slower than the AMD, so
>>> Lubuntu 10.10 should run OK on it, if I can manage to burn a Lubuntu
>>> CD-R that it will read (the CDROM reader on this machine tends to be a
>>> bit finicky, and it's old enough that I don't think that it will boot
>>> from USB Flash).
>>>   
>> There is a trick to it. You must create a Live-CD and a Live USB Stick.
>> Pop in the CD and try booting from the cd until you see the bootmenu.
>> Stick in the USB Live Stick.
>> Now you need to act fast. Press Enter to boot. Wait until the message
>> Loading xyz ... displays on your screen. Now pop out the cd-rom and it
>> will then boot from usb key.
>> It's a nice trick to get any computer with cdrom drive boot from usb.
>>
>> 
> Try as I might I cannot get that to work
>   
Doesn't it detect the usb stick or does it fail even to go into init ?


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu on Intel and i586

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 15.10.2010 06:20, schrieb Ben Coleman:
> On 10/14/2010 07:24 PM, Benny Hult wrote:
> > But it lacks with packages if you compare to Lubuntu.
> > Hope we can see you using Lubuntu still in the future, becouse the grass
> > ain't greener on the other side of the fence ;)
>
> Well, turns out that my other Lubuntu candidate (A Compaq Armada 7800
> running a PII/266) is i686-class despite being slower than the AMD, so
> Lubuntu 10.10 should run OK on it, if I can manage to burn a Lubuntu
> CD-R that it will read (the CDROM reader on this machine tends to be a
> bit finicky, and it's old enough that I don't think that it will boot
> from USB Flash).
There is a trick to it. You must create a Live-CD and a Live USB Stick.
Pop in the CD and try booting from the cd until you see the bootmenu.
Stick in the USB Live Stick.
Now you need to act fast. Press Enter to boot. Wait until the message
Loading xyz ... displays on your screen. Now pop out the cd-rom and it
will then boot from usb key.
It's a nice trick to get any computer with cdrom drive boot from usb.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] marketing

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Am 07.10.2010 14:35, schrieb Rafael Laguna:
> Due to popular demand (3 mails :D) I've replaced the cd wallet mockups
> by another ones that match better the desktop schemes. Have a look:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing
>
>   
Nice work ;)
>   
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] marketing

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 07.10.2010 11:37, schrieb Rafael Laguna:
> Marketing updated. Any suggestion?
>   
The 10.04 CD Wallet Images look way cooler and prettier than the 10.10s.
Maybe you can add a "shiny" "glossy" effect to them also.
Everything else seems to be fine. I like the bigger Web buttons :)
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 03.10.2010 00:18, schrieb Julien Lavergne:
> And to be back to the initial problem (plymouth) : 
> sadly, there was no work on plymouth integration for Ubuntu for this
> cycle, which not help for its stability.
>
> If removing it from the system seems possible, removing it from the
> Lubuntu ISO seems less easier.
>   
Just remove plymouth and rebuild initrd would work. But I think you mean
in the building process of the ISO. (btw. is it anywhere documented ?)
> Anyway, it's something we could discuss for the next release.
>   
Before complete removing it I would suggest simply to activate the
text-plugin instead of the graphics intense animated image splash.
This one works without drm so even proprietary drivers would display the
same text-output as their free counterparts.
I have experience in ZevenOS-Neptune with it and it works fine on every
pc even the very old ones.
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 03.10.2010 01:08, schrieb Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset:
> First: Isn't there a way to get a text based splashcreen without plymouth??
>   
You need something similiar as plymouth. And as I sad plymouth already
has a text plugin which is doing exact the same which you want to have.
> it would result a faster boot! (and less complicated?)
>   
I doubt that it will be a lot faster. Plymouth isn't in any way
complicated.
There is just a plymouth Daemon started at the preinit stage and this
one blocks the normal "text" output on TTy1 and blends in a splash (no
matter which plugin you use, if text or real graphics or even simple movie)
 
> Second: a text based installer seems to me an excellent idea to make the
> installation fast, since many of us and the rest of the possible users of
> lubuntu would possibly use it to revamp an old machine!!
> Third: the text based installer should be by default and exist no other.
> Doing this, then we will not be dependent of some things that goes nuts, or
> another ones that are consuming much ram AND the install would be FAST.
>
> It's just my humble opinion :)
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 02.10.2010 22:24, schrieb Yorvyk:
> On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 20:37:20 +0100
> Phill Whiteside  wrote:
>
>   
>> Hiyas,
>>
>> just my 2 cents worth.
>>
>> 
>> Lubuntu does not need a 'fancy' boot screen, it delays the booting and uses
>> resources on older (as in low spec RAM / CPU) machines. Lubuntu is
>> *not* Xubuntu,
>> and we should never try to be so. I've just had a report that the cd does
>> not want to work with our previous minimal RAM setting for using Ubiquity of
>> 160MB. The slide shows in ubiquity may have caused a problem, or Ubiquity
>> may have gotten more bloated. I am only reporting back what has been
>> reported.
>>
>> How are we to spread lubuntu, that needs 128MB of RAM if you cannot install
>> it unless you have something like 256MB?
>>
>> 
> Some findings, relating to installation.
> With a video card the latest beta installs with 160 MiB on a 700MHz machine 
> but, very slowly, around four hours . Some 8 hours quicker than OpenSUSE 
> LXDE.  At 384 MiB Lubuntu is down to just under 2 hours, some 8 hours quicker 
> than OpenSUSE LXDE, while Fedora takes just an hour.
> For some reason more than 256MiB of RAM is needed for Lubuntu to install with 
> Intel on board video.
>   
Perhaps the on board intel card uses the system ram as share
> I think we need a text based installer.
>   
There is the Debian-Installer textbased that is also used for
networkinstalls or minimum installs avaiable. The only thing an
alternate Lubuntu CD needs is an full lubuntu repository on the cd
besides the debian-installer aswell.
A combined Installation and Live Media would be also very nice. The
Debian-Live-Installer which also offers a textbased minimum ram usage
installer is still in development but might be considered
> I’ll experiment a bit more, if my patience doesn’t run out :)
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 02.10.2010 21:12, schrieb Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset:
> Since Lubuntu is intended for low specs machines, 'splashscreen' could be
> just a text saying 'Lubuntu' and in the line under that one, 5 'o' appearing
> in a set of time, so it makes consistence with the idea of the distro (and
> trully think that this would me a lot easier to do and time saving to
> startup).
>   
Just look at the plymouth text plugin.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 02.10.2010 03:33, schrieb Bob Trevithick:
>> I really hope that it can be removed from the system, or it can be turned 
>> off in a sane way.
>> BTW, in the past usplash always work on my box, but plymouth is really 
>> problematic.
>> 
> I'm over my head here, but I've heard others say that this thing is
> like a cancer that has metathesized throughout the entire system.
> That the dependencies make it almost impossible to remove.
>   
Thats not true. I debugged the plymouth package in Debian for my latest
release of ZevenOS-Neptune and I can say, it works very fine with free
software drivers. With proprietary Softwaredrivers you need to attact
vga=792 or another high resolution highcolor mode for it to work.
Crashes of plymouth should not affect booting.
Deleting it is no problem.
> I sincerely hope this isn't true.
>
> I booted some system the other day, I forget what it was, and it just
> printed the text "Booting, please wait.."
>
> What a joy that was.  It looked so professional compared to the mess
> we've been seeing for so long now.
>
>   :-)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Bug: Missing some driver files for Broadcom wireless 4321

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 29.09.2010 19:33, schrieb Pierre Yahoo:
> Hi,
>
> I cannot get any wireless networks.  I tried to install the drivers
> for it through Preferences>Hardware Drivers but the process stalls
> because some files/dependencies are missing:
>
> W: Échec de la récupération de
> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-4.4/gcc-4.4_4.4.4-14ubuntu4_i386.deb
>
>   404  Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.40 80]
>
>
> W: Échec de la récupération de
> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-4.4/libstdc++6-4.4-dev_4.4.4-14ubuntu4_i386.deb
>
>   404  Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.40 80]
>
>
> W: Échec de la récupération de
> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-4.4/g++-4.4_4.4.4-14ubuntu4_i386.deb
>
>   404  Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.40 80]
>
> The files are associated with Synaptic's:
> broadcom-sta-source
>
> It cannot be installed properly.  A lot of people will not get
> wireless unless this is fixed.  Is there a way around?
>
>
> Thanks.
You need a internet connection and an up to date repository listing.
(With LAN connection do a apt-get update and rerun hardwar drivers manager)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

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Am 23.09.2010 16:49, schrieb Bob Trevithick:
>> Sounds good. However, the image that is sent to the USB key is the current
>> Lubuntu ISO, while I need to remove most of the items in the Menu, add a
>> couple of applications, so I guess this is not what I need, and I should
>> look at "remastering" the ISO from the customized, running USB key.
>> 
> I'm quite a bit over my head here, compared to the others, but if
> you're running on a read/write USB device, why can't you add and
> remove packages like you normally would on any other disk?   Just a
> thought. :)
>   
A live usb stick runs from a highly compressed read only image
(filesystem.squashfs) stored on a rewritable fat partition.
So you can write changes to the fat portion of the usb stick but not to
the highly compressed image.
> Regards,
> Bob
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 23.09.2010 16:44, schrieb Gilles:
> At 16:30 23/09/2010, Goh Lip wrote:
>> But just to add or elaborate, what I did was to install Lubuntu like
>> to a hard disk but it is to a usb stick instead. That's the whole
>> explanation. The advantages are that, of course, there is no need for
>> persistent or casper-rw, and things should process faster. There
>> might be some things to watch out for, like setting grub to hard disk
>> instead of to the usb stick, as some have found out.
>
> Sounds good. However, the image that is sent to the USB key is the
> current Lubuntu ISO, while I need to remove most of the items in the
> Menu, add a couple of applications, so I guess this is not what I
> need, and I should look at "remastering" the ISO from the customized,
> running USB key.
>
>> Normally, at every kernel change, the system will, besides updating
>> the grub menu or grub.cfg, it will create both the  initrd and
>> syslink and /vmlinuz and syslink to /root. However, until recently, I
>> noticed Lubuntu was not doing this, as compared to ubuntu and
>> kubuntu. Also even if it does this now, we had to take care that it
>> is done to the casper directory instead and named properly, as Leszek
>> has just pointed out to me just now.
>
> BTW, does someone know exactly how initrd.(gz|lz) is built? Am I
> correct in thinking it's just grabbing everything in /lib/modules/ and
> compressing them in a single file?
Its grabbing the modules it needs plus the init script
(/usr/share/initramfs-tools/) and for livecds also the casper scripts.
(/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts & /usr/share/capser)  

>
> Thank you.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 23.09.2010 16:01, schrieb Gilles:
> At 15:46 23/09/2010, Goh Lip wrote:
>> Hopefully there is no need to do a update-initramfs -u, but I'll
>> watch out for it.
>
> What does "update-initramfs -u"?
It updates or recreates the initrd.
>
>> Wonderful, you gave me an idea. I'll have to give it a try next
>> time.  - My Lubuntu is a 'real install' on a usb stick, but I am not
>> complaining! It is far far better than a live stick.
>
> What's a "real install on a USB stick", and how does it differ from a
> "live stick"? Do you mean that the former is persistent, while the
> latter is the default ISO image?
Real Install is the same as installing on harddrive. So after installing
you can work like on a "real" system with your own username and
configurations saved to usb stick. The root partition is mounted rw and
not compressed. In contrast to this a  Live Stick means running a live
system mounted on a read only compressed squashfs image which only
allows to save changes via a seperate rw filesystem.  
>
> BTW, instead of making the USB key persistent, I'm really looking at
> how to boot with the current image, perform apt-get to
> add/update/remove packages, save this running instance into an
> external ISO, so that I can flash a bunch of USB keys with all my
> users need. Does someone have information on how to do this with Lubuntu?
This is called remastering (rebuilding the ISO with customized apps).
Try to search something on the net there are thousands of tutorials.
I might also do a quick video tutorial in my next Lubuntu Screencast if
you whish .
>
> Thank you. 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 23.09.2010 15:23, schrieb Goh Lip:
> On Thursday 23,September,2010 08:55 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote:
>> Persistency(with casper-rw) will save all the changes to files comparing
>> with the live system data. So applications that you installed later with
>> apt-get and even configuration files you created in your home folder.
>
> How about kernel upgrades (as in 2.6.35-22-generic from
> 2.6.35-21-generic), does that keep that too? If not, how to endure it
> does or at least how to make sure the new kernel boots up the next time?

Kernel changes will be also changed but only in the persistency file.
As the bootloader normaly searches for a vmlinuz and initrd on the fat32
portion of a usb stick, you need to replace the old vmlinuz and initrd
files on your usb sticks casper directory.
>
> Regards - Goh Lip
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Gparted to running USB key?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 23.09.2010 14:03, schrieb Gilles:
> Hello
>
> I need to resize an NTFS partition that contains XPSP3. Since I have a
> working Lubuntu live USB key, I was wondering if I could just run
> apt-get to install Gparted and its dependencies, instead of burning
> the Gparted live ISO?
>
> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
You can just install gparted on your lubuntu live usb stick.
>
> Thank you.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

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Am 22.09.2010 23:34, schrieb Gilles:
> At 23:21 22/09/2010, Leszek Lesner wrote:
> Here are commands summed up.
>
>> 1. DD (2GB Persistency Image):
>>  dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/your_path_to_usbstick/casper-rw bs=1024
>> count=2000
>> 2. Format the persistent image
>>  mkfs.ext2 /media/your_path_to_usbstick/casper-rw
>> 3. Add persistent to your bootoptions
>> 4. Reboot
>
> Thanks again. I'll try that tomorrow morning and report back.
>
> Out of curiosity, what does Linux save in this second partition, used
> for persistence between reboots? Is it just a symlink to /etc?
> I currently use a 1GB stick, so I was thinking of booting Linux from
> the hard-disk/CD, shrink the current Linux on the USB stick to make
> room for the persistent partition, and create/format a 200MB ext2
> partition for persistent data.
Persistency(with casper-rw) will save all the changes to files comparing
with the live system data. So applications that you installed later with
apt-get and even configuration files you created in your home folder.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 22.09.2010 22:11, schrieb Gilles:
> At 21:10 22/09/2010, Leszek Lesner wrote:
>> Try adding console-setup/layoutcode=fr aswell to the boot options
>
> Thanks a lot, it worked :-)
>
> To sum up, here's what I appended to \\USB\syslinux\text.cfg:
>
> locale=fr_FR.UTF-8 keyb=fr klayout=fr console-setup/layoutcode=fr
>
> One more question related to the UI: Since I still don't know how to
> make this USB key persistent, I also need to configure the boot
> options so that X starts in 1024x...@75hz, ie. the equivalent of
> running this once X is up and running:
>
> xrandr -s 1024x768 -r 75
As Xorg uses autodetection I think it isn't possible without an
persistent usb stick.
For enabling persitency with a file on a fat32 formatted stick you need
to create a file with dd with you preffered persistent file size and
then simply format this with ext2/3 or 4 or whatever filesystem you
like. Rename the file to casper-rw and add "persistence" to your boot
options.
Alternatively you can resize the fat32 portion of your filesystem on
your stick and add a ext2/3 or 4 formatted filesystem to it with the
label casper-rw to enable full persistency. For only activate
persistency for your home directory (this wouldn't solve your xorg
resolution problem though) replace casper-rw with home-rw.

Here are commands summed up.

1. DD (2GB Persistency Image):
 dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/your_path_to_usbstick/casper-rw bs=1024
count=2000
2. Format the persistent image
 mkfs.ext2 /media/your_path_to_usbstick/casper-rw
3. Add persistent to your bootoptions
4. Reboot

Hope this helps you :)

>
> Does someone know how to do this?
>
> Thank you.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 22.09.2010 19:51, schrieb Gilles:
> At 19:05 22/09/2010, Gilles wrote:
>> Oops, spoke too soon: The UI does start in French, but the keyboard
>> is US :-/
Try adding console-setup/layoutcode=fr aswell to the boot options. It
works here with a german keyboard layout and Lubuntu 10.04.
Lubuntu 10.10 Beta 1 has still a bug (upstream actually) that doesn't
change the xorg keyboard layout. You can set it to french by either
using my tool called lxkeymap (see lxkeymap thread on the mailinglist)
or by typing in "setxkbmap fr" in a terminal.
>
> Incidently, when I open a terminal console, "su -" to root, and type
> "loadkeys fr", it says nothing but doesn't change to FR.
>
> I checked the wiki, but it was no help solving the issue:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/LanguageSupport
>
>
> Does someone know what the procedure is to install a different locale
> in Lubuntu so that it'll work in both Xorg and in command-line apps?
>
> Here's a screenshot of the Language dialog: Since French is listed
> first, I would expect the FR keyboard to work. Am I missing some modules?
>
> http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/2048/lubuntuchangelocale.png
>
> Thank you. 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 20.09.2010 15:31, schrieb Gilles:
> At 15:08 20/09/2010, Yorvyk wrote:
>> Lubuntu, like all variations of Ubuntu/Debian, can support any
>> written language on the planet and at least one not from earth,
>> Klingon :) How complete the translations are varies, but, French
>> appears to be quite complete.
>
> Thanks guys for the confirmation.
>
> Using the Windows utility PendriveLinux Universal USB Installer, I
> successfully burned Lubuntu on a USB key and booted a test host with it.
>
> However, I can't get to choose the language for UI + keyboard: The
> "Advanced Options" menu is empty.
>
> Also, ideally, I'd rather the user didn't have to do anything, and
> Lubuntu would just start in French. Asking them to append some switch
> to the boot command-line won't do it.

Appending this bootoptions should work:  locale=fr_FR.UTF-8 keyb=fr
klayout=fr
Btw. for a french keyboard layout there is still lxkeymap avaiable that
allows you to switch your keymap after booting. (see the lxkeymap thread)
Language can be also configured and switched after booting with the
language setup tool in preferences.

>
> Thank you.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lxkeymap, an app to switch keyboard layout easily

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 14.09.2010 21:30, schrieb Leszek Lesner:
> Am 14.09.2010 18:24, schrieb PCMan:
>   
>> Looks interesting.
>> Do you have any online repository for your source code?
>>   
>> 
> Not yet, I think I will upload the code to launchpad.
> Its written in python so basically the sourcecode is included :)
>   

You can find lxkeymap now on : https://launchpad.net/lxkeymap
>   
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> here is the newest version of LXKeymap 0.2 .
>>> It comes with an expert mode allowing for setting very much every keymap
>>> and variant known to the system.
>>> I also updated some common keymaps and variants.
>>> Here some screenshots:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38932...@n00/4986344591/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38932...@n00/4986344603/
>>>
>>> and the deb:
>>>
>>> http://zevenos.com/files/lxkeymap_0.2_all.deb
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lxkeymap, an app to switch keyboard layout easily

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 14.09.2010 18:24, schrieb PCMan:
> Looks interesting.
> Do you have any online repository for your source code?
>   
Not yet, I think I will upload the code to launchpad.
Its written in python so basically the sourcecode is included :)

> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> here is the newest version of LXKeymap 0.2 .
>> It comes with an expert mode allowing for setting very much every keymap
>> and variant known to the system.
>> I also updated some common keymaps and variants.
>> Here some screenshots:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38932...@n00/4986344591/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38932...@n00/4986344603/
>>
>> and the deb:
>>
>> http://zevenos.com/files/lxkeymap_0.2_all.deb
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