Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Steve]

On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 19:15 +0100, Julien Lavergne wrote:
> For information, there is a torrent available for Alpha 3 :
> http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-lucid-alpha-release-torrent-download 

Downloaded and seeding

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

For information, there is a torrent available for Alpha 3 :
http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-lucid-alpha-release-torrent-download

Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 01:25 +0100, Julien Lavergne a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> The Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 is now available. Don't forget that it's build
> with Ubuntu Lucid (10.04) which is still in Alpha state of development,
> so same warnings :
> 
> "Pre-releases of Lucid are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable
> system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even
> frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu developers
> and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs."
> 
> We passed Feature Freeze, that mean most of the features should now be
> available. It's now time for testing and fixing bugs.
> 
> New features since Alpha 2 :
> * Main changes in the seed :
>  - chromium for the browser
>  - gnome-mplayer for the videos
>  - network-manager for the network
> 
> * pcmanfm2, the rewrite of the file-manager, is now used by default.
> 
> * New artwork made by Rafael Laguna.
> 
> * A new session (Lubuntu-Netbook), which launched lxlauncher. You need
> to logout, select Lubuntu-Netbook session instead of Lubuntu, and enter
> login "ubuntu" without password.
> 
> Known bugs:
> * If you test on a USB, the first screen will freeze for a moment when
> you click on "Try Lubuntu ...". Just wait, it will continue as normal.
> 
> * Bug reported during testing :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam
> 
> * Specific pages for pcmanfm2 bugs :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing
> 
> If you want to create a bootable usb system, please use the usb creator
> directly on Ubuntu.  
> 
> Please follow the testing process described on this page :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam . You can also
> report problems and bugs relative to the tests on this page.
> 
> Download : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-alpha3.iso
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne 
> 



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Steve]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:42:28 -, Julien Lavergne   
wrote:



Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 20:19 +0100, Zoltan Matlak a écrit :

>What do you mean by applets ?
Java applets (used by some banks for online banking or used by some
online games). The only combination it doesn't work is chrome&icedtea.
Applets work with icedtea&ff and also works with sunjava&chrome.

Reported :
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/529242


One more think I forgot earlier. LXTerminal doesn't save history (as
far as I remember it never did). Closing and opening a new terminal
"clears" history. Is there a way to enable history saving between
sessions?

I can't reproduce it.


Nor can I, there’s the last two days history on my machines.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 20:19 +0100, Zoltan Matlak a écrit :
> >What do you mean by applets ?
> Java applets (used by some banks for online banking or used by some
> online games). The only combination it doesn't work is chrome&icedtea.
> Applets work with icedtea&ff and also works with sunjava&chrome.  
Reported :
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/529242

> One more think I forgot earlier. LXTerminal doesn't save history (as
> far as I remember it never did). Closing and opening a new terminal
> "clears" history. Is there a way to enable history saving between
> sessions?
I can't reproduce it.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Steve]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:30:09 -, Julien Lavergne   
wrote:



Thanks for the test.

Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 13:41 +0100, Zoltan Matlak a écrit :

I faced most of the problems the others reported earlier. Other than
those,  I noticed the following:




5. printing does not work for me (it worked before alpha3). Installed
my printer, it was recognized, added it, but nothing comes out (not
even the test page). Weird. In "manage print jobs" document print
status shows Completed. Any idea? Thanks

No idea. Is someone else have this problem ?

Just connected up a printer and have had no problems, so far.  Test  
printed OK as did a page from Abiword.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Zoltan Matlak]

>What do you mean by applets ?
Java applets (used by some banks for online banking or used by some online
games). The only combination it doesn't work is chrome&icedtea. Applets work
with icedtea&ff and also works with sunjava&chrome.

One more think I forgot earlier. LXTerminal doesn't save history (as far as
I remember it never did). Closing and opening a new terminal "clears"
history. Is there a way to enable history saving between sessions?

Thanks
Zoltan


On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Thanks for the test.
>
> Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 13:41 +0100, Zoltan Matlak a écrit :
> > I faced most of the problems the others reported earlier. Other than
> > those,  I noticed the following:
> >
> >
> > 1. no flash plugin (earlier gnash used to be installed). Running
> > "apt-get install flashplugin-installer" solved it.
> Yes, we definitely need a plugin to install a flash provider (reported
> on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam)
>
> > 2. no applets with chrome(ium) and icedtea. I use online banking and
> > this is a MAJOR issue for me. Solution is to either download & install
> > sun's java or install Firefox to be able to run applets.
> What do you mean by applets ?
>
Java applets (used by some banks for online banking)

>
>
> > 3. In networkmanager VPN is inactive, can not "Add". I installed
> > "apt-get install network-manager-vpnc vpnc resolvconf rdesktop". After
> > this,  I was able to use VPN  from command line, but in networkmanager
> > it remained disabled. Do I need to install any other package?
> Do you have something in /etc/network/interface which manage VPN ? If
> it's the case, network-manager disable the management of the VPN, and
> it's handle directly by /etc/network/interface
>
> > 4. pcmanfm2 now seem less complete than in pre-alpha3 (the test image
> > from a week ago). Earlier in pcmanfm2 I was able to use
> > applications:/// and trash:///. What happened, is this an older build?
> > Just curious.
> Problem with dbus, a fix it's in progress.
>
> > 5. printing does not work for me (it worked before alpha3). Installed
> > my printer, it was recognized, added it, but nothing comes out (not
> > even the test page). Weird. In "manage print jobs" document print
> > status shows Completed. Any idea? Thanks
> No idea. Is someone else have this problem ?
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Le dimanche 28 février 2010 à 00:50 +0800, PCMan a écrit :
> > 3) tried to edit date/time settings - unlock button does nothing
> Apparantly this is yet another dbus-related problem.
> Using this feature requires both of dbus and policy-kit working.
> You even need a policykit agent. Currently the only choice is polkit-gnome.
> By default polkit-gnome's authentication agent is turned off outside Gnome.
> This needs to be turned on in its desktop file installed ot 
> /etc/xdg/autostart.
> TODO:
> 1. make sure dbus is correctly launched.
> 2. make sure policykit agent is running.
This is not the case in the Alpha3, I don't know why it was working
previously.
I'll add it to autostart to fix it.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Steve]

Couple more problems.

If I got to Preferences > Openbox Configuration Manager > Desktops and  
give the desktops names, when I Right click on the taskbar and select Move  
to workspace they are still called 'Workspace 1/2/3'.
Right clicking on a menu item and selecting Properties, then altering some  
thing isn’t saved, such as the command.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Steve]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:05:32 -, Julien Lavergne   
wrote:



Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 19:00 +, Steve a écrit :

The panel can’t be moved to the top, with out editing the config file  
nor
does transparency work any more either.  This used to work in Alphas 1  
& 2.

I can't reproduce it for the move to the top. You could try to remove
your config file and logout/login back.

But the transparency doesn't work for me too.


Moving the panel now works, it didn’t when I first installed but does now.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[PCMan]

Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 18:04 +0100, Roger Dean a écrit :
> 2) logged out of lubuntu DE and then in to lubuntu netbook DE. logged
> out and tried to log back in to regular DE. was unable to click cursor
> into username / password box
This is a known issue of lxdm. Please contact dgod as he might know
what happens.
When lxdm is used along with lxsession, sometimes this happens.
If the bug cannot be fixed in time, I'd suggest use gdm this time.

> 3) tried to edit date/time settings - unlock button does nothing
Apparantly this is yet another dbus-related problem.
Using this feature requires both of dbus and policy-kit working.
You even need a policykit agent. Currently the only choice is polkit-gnome.
By default polkit-gnome's authentication agent is turned off outside Gnome.
This needs to be turned on in its desktop file installed ot /etc/xdg/autostart.
TODO:
1. make sure dbus is correctly launched.
2. make sure policykit agent is running.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Steve]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:25:08 -, Jo Gerb   
wrote:



2010/2/27 Julien Lavergne 


Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 19:00 +, Steve a écrit :
> Live session runs in 128MB RAM but launching an application crashes  
it,

> not surprising really.
Actually, it suprise me. I just load the alpha on a 128MB Vbox, it's
slow but you can launch application without problem. Is it the whole
desktop which crash or only the application ?


Me too. i ran the live cd on real hardware (not vm) wit oentium II and  
128

MB RAM. i wasn't that fast, but it didn't crash when starting an
application.

This was with out any swap, it functions OK with a swap partition on the  
HDD.
XChat crashes and Chromium just slows to a a near standstill, taking 30-40  
mins to load a page (bbc.co.uk).

As I said, with a swap partition everything is OK but slooow.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Le dimanche 28 février 2010 à 00:13 +0800, PCMan a écrit :
> Current pcmanfm2 git and libfm git versions now has a new configure
> option:
> --enable-debug
> When compiled with this, runtime type checking is enabled and compiler
> optimization is turned off. This make the program slightly slower but
> it can greatly help debugging. 

That was my intentions :) I'll enable it for the next packages.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Thanks for the test.

Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 22:16 +0300, Mikhail Maksimov a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> I have a strange issue with the installer: if I start an English
> LiveCD session, then try to install a Russian version of Lubuntu, the
> installer displays "???" strings on the keyboard layout selection
> screen (see attached screenshot). I type some (Latin) chars into the
> test box and click "Next" without changing anything else. After I
> click through to screen #6 (user information), I cannot proceed since
> the keyboard is somehow blocked: no alphanumeric keys work at all.
> However, something else works: space, enter, arrows, ins, home, end,
> del, pageup, pagedown, "|" and "\" (same key with and without Shift),
> maybe something else (don't know how to test Ctrl, Alt, Esc,
> functionals, etc.)
> 
> Installing a Russian version from a Russian LiveCD session works fine.
> Selecting German or some Indian layout (line #8 from the bottom of the
> list) works in an English LiveCD session. ("Works" means it does not
> lock the keyboard, I didn't run any installation to the end so far.)
> 
> Selecting Greek l11n from an English LiveCD session yields those
> "??" lines, but does not lock the keyboard.
> 
> I understand this can be the "base" Ubuntu issue, but currently I have
> no time to download the daily iso and play with it, sorry. Hopefully
> someone else can do it...
Yes probably, or maybe it's the lack of language support on the Live-CD.
It's something to test when the installer will be more stable.

> 
> Sincerely,
> Mikhail Maksimov
> 
> PS There're also some annoying ureadahead error messages during the
> boot, but those don't seem to be harmful. I have also seen such
> messages when I tested 20100215 iso on a physical machine. I think
> someone else mentioned those here on the list, too.
Yes, but the standard version of Ubuntu have also this messages. So I
hope it will be fixed in the future :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Thanks for the test.

Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 13:41 +0100, Zoltan Matlak a écrit :
> I faced most of the problems the others reported earlier. Other than
> those,  I noticed the following:
> 
> 
> 1. no flash plugin (earlier gnash used to be installed). Running
> "apt-get install flashplugin-installer" solved it.
Yes, we definitely need a plugin to install a flash provider (reported
on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam)

> 2. no applets with chrome(ium) and icedtea. I use online banking and
> this is a MAJOR issue for me. Solution is to either download & install
> sun's java or install Firefox to be able to run applets. 
What do you mean by applets ?


> 3. In networkmanager VPN is inactive, can not "Add". I installed
> "apt-get install network-manager-vpnc vpnc resolvconf rdesktop". After
> this,  I was able to use VPN  from command line, but in networkmanager
> it remained disabled. Do I need to install any other package?
Do you have something in /etc/network/interface which manage VPN ? If
it's the case, network-manager disable the management of the VPN, and
it's handle directly by /etc/network/interface

> 4. pcmanfm2 now seem less complete than in pre-alpha3 (the test image
> from a week ago). Earlier in pcmanfm2 I was able to use
> applications:/// and trash:///. What happened, is this an older build?
> Just curious.
Problem with dbus, a fix it's in progress.

> 5. printing does not work for me (it worked before alpha3). Installed
> my printer, it was recognized, added it, but nothing comes out (not
> even the test page). Weird. In "manage print jobs" document print
> status shows Completed. Any idea? Thanks
No idea. Is someone else have this problem ?

Regards,
Julien Lavergne




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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Jo Gerb]

2010/2/27 Julien Lavergne 

> Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 19:00 +, Steve a écrit :
> > Live session runs in 128MB RAM but launching an application crashes it,
> > not surprising really.
> Actually, it suprise me. I just load the alpha on a 128MB Vbox, it's
> slow but you can launch application without problem. Is it the whole
> desktop which crash or only the application ?
>
>
Me too. i ran the live cd on real hardware (not vm) wit oentium II and 128
MB RAM. i wasn't that fast, but it didn't crash when starting an
application.

> > Neither CDs or flash drives auto-mount, though the floppy drive now
> > appears.
> Reported on
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing
> I'll refresh pcmanfm2 package this week-end to enable more debug.
>
> > The panel can’t be moved to the top, with out editing the config file nor
> > does transparency work any more either.  This used to work in Alphas 1 &
> 2.
> I can't reproduce it for the move to the top. You could try to remove
> your config file and logout/login back.
>
> But the transparency doesn't work for me too.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[PCMan]

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 19:00 +, Steve a écrit :
>> Live session runs in 128MB RAM but launching an application crashes it,
>> not surprising really.
> Actually, it suprise me. I just load the alpha on a 128MB Vbox, it's
> slow but you can launch application without problem. Is it the whole
> desktop which crash or only the application ?
>
>> Neither CDs or flash drives auto-mount, though the floppy drive now
>> appears.
> Reported on
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing
> I'll refresh pcmanfm2 package this week-end to enable more debug.
Current pcmanfm2 git and libfm git versions now has a new configure option:
--enable-debug
When compiled with this, runtime type checking is enabled and compiler
optimization is turned off. This make the program slightly slower but
it can greatly help debugging.
>
>> The panel can’t be moved to the top, with out editing the config file nor
>> does transparency work any more either.  This used to work in Alphas 1 & 2.
> I can't reproduce it for the move to the top. You could try to remove
> your config file and logout/login back.
>
> But the transparency doesn't work for me too.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 19:00 +, Steve a écrit :
> Live session runs in 128MB RAM but launching an application crashes it,  
> not surprising really.
Actually, it suprise me. I just load the alpha on a 128MB Vbox, it's
slow but you can launch application without problem. Is it the whole
desktop which crash or only the application ?

> Neither CDs or flash drives auto-mount, though the floppy drive now  
> appears.
Reported on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing
I'll refresh pcmanfm2 package this week-end to enable more debug.

> The panel can’t be moved to the top, with out editing the config file nor  
> does transparency work any more either.  This used to work in Alphas 1 & 2.
I can't reproduce it for the move to the top. You could try to remove
your config file and logout/login back.

But the transparency doesn't work for me too.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Leszek Lesner]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:41:01 +0100
Zoltan Matlak  wrote:

> I faced most of the problems the others reported earlier. Other than those,
>  I noticed the following:
> 
> 1. no flash plugin (earlier gnash used to be installed). Running "apt-get
> install flashplugin-installer" solved it.
gnash caused problems and had to be removed.

> 
> 2. no applets with chrome(ium) and icedtea. I use online banking and this is
> a MAJOR issue for me. Solution is to either download & install sun's java or
> install Firefox to be able to run applets.
yeah we need to look into this
> 
> 3. In networkmanager VPN is inactive, can not "Add". I installed "apt-get
> install network-manager-vpnc vpnc resolvconf rdesktop". After this,  I was
> able to use VPN  from command line, but in networkmanager it remained
> disabled. Do I need to install any other package?
hmm... strange
> 
> 4. pcmanfm2 now seem less complete than in pre-alpha3 (the test image from a
> week ago). Earlier in pcmanfm2 I was able to use applications:///
> and trash:///. What happened, is this an older build? Just curious.
Its a newer version. Still needs some bugfixing. (Therefore Lubuntu is called 
alpha ;) ) 

> 
> 5. printing does not work for me (it worked before alpha3). Installed my
> printer, it was recognized, added it, but nothing comes out (not even the
> test page). Weird. In "manage print jobs" document print status shows
> Completed. Any idea? Thanks
> 
> 
> Other than that it's "shiny" :)
> 
> Thanks
>  Zoltan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Zoltan Matlak]

I faced most of the problems the others reported earlier. Other than those,
 I noticed the following:

1. no flash plugin (earlier gnash used to be installed). Running "apt-get
install flashplugin-installer" solved it.

2. no applets with chrome(ium) and icedtea. I use online banking and this is
a MAJOR issue for me. Solution is to either download & install sun's java or
install Firefox to be able to run applets.

3. In networkmanager VPN is inactive, can not "Add". I installed "apt-get
install network-manager-vpnc vpnc resolvconf rdesktop". After this,  I was
able to use VPN  from command line, but in networkmanager it remained
disabled. Do I need to install any other package?

4. pcmanfm2 now seem less complete than in pre-alpha3 (the test image from a
week ago). Earlier in pcmanfm2 I was able to use applications:///
and trash:///. What happened, is this an older build? Just curious.

5. printing does not work for me (it worked before alpha3). Installed my
printer, it was recognized, added it, but nothing comes out (not even the
test page). Weird. In "manage print jobs" document print status shows
Completed. Any idea? Thanks


Other than that it's "shiny" :)

Thanks
 Zoltan
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

Phill Whiteside schrieb:

Much better :-)

Just been having a general play (importing accounts to pidgin and 
chromium etc).


I did notice that x-chat is there as an IRC agent. When I was running 
it with 10.04 Ubuntu, I found it quite greedy for processor time (3 
seconds / 10 seconds) - My laptop fan was running quite a lot.


Since changing to pidgin for IRC, I have a much quieter computer (and 
an un-burned lap)


As pidgin is going to be shipped, is x-chat required ? I'm just 
wondering what affect it was Vs pidgin on lower spec processors.
Pidgin is IMHO no real IRC client and misses a lot of features and 
behaviors in this regard.


I know that disk mounting was mentioned, but does / is lubuntu going 
to have the equivalent of "Places" to provide a GUI for mounting 
partitions, it is quite conceivable for a low specification computer 
to be dual booting.
As I saw it in the pcmanfm2 code it is planned to have a desktop icon 
for each mounted devices (perhaps even unmounted devices, if you want to 
mount them) + Drives and partitions will appear in the bookmarkspanel on 
the left.


Apart from that, absolutely fantastic !!!

Regards,

Phill.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Phill Whiteside]

Much better :-)

Just been having a general play (importing accounts to pidgin and chromium
etc).

I did notice that x-chat is there as an IRC agent. When I was running it
with 10.04 Ubuntu, I found it quite greedy for processor time (3 seconds /
10 seconds) - My laptop fan was running quite a lot.

Since changing to pidgin for IRC, I have a much quieter computer (and an
un-burned lap)

As pidgin is going to be shipped, is x-chat required ? I'm just wondering
what affect it was Vs pidgin on lower spec processors.

I know that disk mounting was mentioned, but does / is lubuntu going to have
the equivalent of "Places" to provide a GUI for mounting partitions, it is
quite conceivable for a low specification computer to be dual booting.

Apart from that, absolutely fantastic !!!

Regards,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Steve]

On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:01:14 -, Glen Bizeau  wrote:


pcmanfm2
 -  complains that /dev/fd0 is not a block device (vmware)

DM
- autologin still does not work



I get a different error when trying to use the floppy

mount: block device /dev/fd0 is write protected, mounting read only
mount I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Glen Bizeau]

pcmanfm2
 -  complains that /dev/fd0 is not a block device (vmware)

DM
- autologin still does not work


Glen


On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 is now available. Don't forget that it's build
> with Ubuntu Lucid (10.04) which is still in Alpha state of development,
> so same warnings :
>
> "Pre-releases of Lucid are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable
> system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even
> frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu developers
> and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs."
>
> We passed Feature Freeze, that mean most of the features should now be
> available. It's now time for testing and fixing bugs.
>
> New features since Alpha 2 :
> * Main changes in the seed :
>  - chromium for the browser
>  - gnome-mplayer for the videos
>  - network-manager for the network
>
> * pcmanfm2, the rewrite of the file-manager, is now used by default.
>
> * New artwork made by Rafael Laguna.
>
> * A new session (Lubuntu-Netbook), which launched lxlauncher. You need
> to logout, select Lubuntu-Netbook session instead of Lubuntu, and enter
> login "ubuntu" without password.
>
> Known bugs:
> * If you test on a USB, the first screen will freeze for a moment when
> you click on "Try Lubuntu ...". Just wait, it will continue as normal.
>
> * Bug reported during testing :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam
>
> * Specific pages for pcmanfm2 bugs :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing
>
> If you want to create a bootable usb system, please use the usb creator
> directly on Ubuntu.
>
> Please follow the testing process described on this page :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam . You can also
> report problems and bugs relative to the tests on this page.
>
> Download : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-alpha3.iso
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Steve]

Alpha 3

Live session runs in 128MB RAM but launching an application crashes it,  
not surprising really.


Install takes about 1½ hours, not bad considering lack of speed and  
memory, slow(4x) CD drive as well.


Neither CDs or flash drives auto-mount, though the floppy drive now  
appears.


The panel can’t be moved to the top, with out editing the config file nor  
does transparency work any more either.  This used to work in Alphas 1 & 2.


I’ll report more as it’s used more.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Jo Gerb]

another quick test: the alpha runs great, fast and quite stable.  Some
problems with pcmanfm2 , but its still in developement so thats okay (for
example no auto-mount of usb drives, and i couldn't mount my usb-sticks at
all).
the new design is great.
I also like Leszek's idea: is it too late for including that, or is it still
possible? if yes, we should do that.

best regards
jo

2010/2/26 Sylkis 

> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Sylkis 
> Date: 2010/2/26
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"
> To: Leszek Lesner 
>
>
> > One big feature request for pcmanfm2 (future releases not crucial to this
> > lubuntu release):
> > Add a right click submenu that opens up the folder content when hovering.
> This
> > is a very nice feature that was originally integrated in BeOS and would
> make
> > working on desktop and in folders amazingly fast.
> > Here a screenshot:
> > http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1086/675582246_2a1dd83e92.jpg
>
>
> wow, I love the idea :D kinda resembles browsing files on fluxbox or
> by windows taskbar (i mean when you put desktop bar to it), but seems
> more practical this way
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Sylkis]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Sylkis 
Date: 2010/2/26
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"
To: Leszek Lesner 


> One big feature request for pcmanfm2 (future releases not crucial to this
> lubuntu release):
> Add a right click submenu that opens up the folder content when hovering. This
> is a very nice feature that was originally integrated in BeOS and would make
> working on desktop and in folders amazingly fast.
> Here a screenshot:
> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1086/675582246_2a1dd83e92.jpg


wow, I love the idea :D kinda resembles browsing files on fluxbox or
by windows taskbar (i mean when you put desktop bar to it), but seems
more practical this way

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 12:04 +0300, Yaroslav a écrit :
> Hello.
> 
> I have a bug with network-manager. It doesn't ask me root privileges for 
> changing interface properties, and doesn't save manually entered network 
> settings, e.g. IP adress, netmask, gateway. 
If you are using the live-cd, it's normal, you already have root
privileges. If you launch synaptic, it's the same.
Also, network-manager now don't manage interface which are manually
handle (see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager , section "Wired
Networks are Unmanaged")

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Thanks for the test.

Le vendredi 26 février 2010 à 16:38 +0100, Leszek Lesner a écrit :
> - Boot Screen of the LiveCD is not fully localized (the first two entries Try 
> Lubuntu and Install Lubuntu) (misses on the Bug Repot Testing Page) 
Added to the TODO list

> - Borderless windows (like the small mixer window that appears after clicking 
> the soundpanel applet) have borders (that allows them to even close the 
> soundpanel applet and it won't open up again) 
Should be a bug in gtk, there is many borders windows which appears with
recent gtk uploads on Ubuntu. Last upload (not included in the alpha)
may contain a fix.

> - clicking on the trash icon in pcmanfm2 gives an error message ("operation 
> not supported") (moved files won't show up)
Added to the bug report page for pcmanfm2

> - pcmanfm2 after open folder as root : it opens up but is missing the warning 
> that you are working with root rights now
Added to the bug report page for pcmanfm2

> - applications:/// is not working (I know it is still work in progress)
Added to the bug report page for pcmanfm2, it's only the case when
pcmanfm2 is autostarted.

> - Are the PATHs alright ? Trying to run arp -a as user gives me an error that 
> it is in /usr/sbin and /usr/sbin is not in path. (It wasn't there before in 
> ubuntu. Did they change/fixed there security policy ?)
PATH is not set correctly with lxdm, I'm working on a fix.

> - pcmanfm2 misses translation (I know is still coming but I don't want to not 
> mention it so that we don't forget about this)
Added to the bug report page for pcmanfm2

> - same for gnumeric
Generaly, we need to begin to follow (and fix) translation of other
packages installed by default on Lubuntu.

> - pcmanfm2 desktop creating new document or folder does not work
Added to the bug report page for pcmanfm2

> - pcmanfm2 still misses to lighten up font color and icon if you choose to 
> cut 
> out a file (only a optical glitch)
Added to the bug report page for pcmanfm2

> -pcmanfm2 sorting files and folders(particullary ascending and descending) 
> does not work in every view or sometimes simply does nothing (seems not 
> reproducable but happens unoccasionaly)
Added to the bug report page for pcmanfm2

> - pcmanfm2: A problem I have with detailed list view is that I cannot access 
> easily the properties of the current open folder. If you have a folder with 
> lots of files you are not able to rightclick on a free space. The only 
> solution press go up and right click the folder you where in to get to the 
> properties. Possible solution: Create a folder icon in front of the adressbar 
> and make it useable like a normal icon folder (drag n drop, right click etc.)
Added to the bug report page for pcmanfm2


> These are the bugs I noticed so far in a quick 15 minute test. 
>  
> One big feature request for pcmanfm2 (future releases not crucial to this 
> lubuntu release):
> Add a right click submenu that opens up the folder content when hovering. 
> This 
> is a very nice feature that was originally integrated in BeOS and would make 
> working on desktop and in folders amazingly fast. 
> Here a screenshot: 
> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1086/675582246_2a1dd83e92.jpg
Added to the bug report page for pcmanfm2 (as feature request)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

here are some bugs I noticed(from the LiveCD so far):

- Boot Screen of the LiveCD is not fully localized (the first two entries Try 
Lubuntu and Install Lubuntu) (misses on the Bug Repot Testing Page) 
- Borderless windows (like the small mixer window that appears after clicking 
the soundpanel applet) have borders (that allows them to even close the 
soundpanel applet and it won't open up again) 
- clicking on the trash icon in pcmanfm2 gives an error message ("operation 
not supported") (moved files won't show up)
- pcmanfm2 after open folder as root : it opens up but is missing the warning 
that you are working with root rights now
- applications:/// is not working (I know it is still work in progress)
- Are the PATHs alright ? Trying to run arp -a as user gives me an error that 
it is in /usr/sbin and /usr/sbin is not in path. (It wasn't there before in 
ubuntu. Did they change/fixed there security policy ?)
- pcmanfm2 misses translation (I know is still coming but I don't want to not 
mention it so that we don't forget about this)
- same for gnumeric
- pcmanfm2 desktop creating new document or folder does not work
- pcmanfm2 still misses to lighten up font color and icon if you choose to cut 
out a file (only a optical glitch)
-pcmanfm2 sorting files and folders(particullary ascending and descending) 
does not work in every view or sometimes simply does nothing (seems not 
reproducable but happens unoccasionaly)
- pcmanfm2: A problem I have with detailed list view is that I cannot access 
easily the properties of the current open folder. If you have a folder with 
lots of files you are not able to rightclick on a free space. The only 
solution press go up and right click the folder you where in to get to the 
properties. Possible solution: Create a folder icon in front of the adressbar 
and make it useable like a normal icon folder (drag n drop, right click etc.)


These are the bugs I noticed so far in a quick 15 minute test. 
 
One big feature request for pcmanfm2 (future releases not crucial to this 
lubuntu release):
Add a right click submenu that opens up the folder content when hovering. This 
is a very nice feature that was originally integrated in BeOS and would make 
working on desktop and in folders amazingly fast. 
Here a screenshot: 
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1086/675582246_2a1dd83e92.jpg

Regards,
Leszek Lesner




Am Freitag, 26. Februar 2010 01:25:10 schrieb Julien Lavergne:
> Hi,
> 
> The Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 is now available. Don't forget that it's build
> with Ubuntu Lucid (10.04) which is still in Alpha state of development,
> so same warnings :
> 
> "Pre-releases of Lucid are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable
> system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even
> frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu developers
> and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs."
> 
> We passed Feature Freeze, that mean most of the features should now be
> available. It's now time for testing and fixing bugs.
> 
> New features since Alpha 2 :
> * Main changes in the seed :
>  - chromium for the browser
>  - gnome-mplayer for the videos
>  - network-manager for the network
> 
> * pcmanfm2, the rewrite of the file-manager, is now used by default.
> 
> * New artwork made by Rafael Laguna.
> 
> * A new session (Lubuntu-Netbook), which launched lxlauncher. You need
> to logout, select Lubuntu-Netbook session instead of Lubuntu, and enter
> login "ubuntu" without password.
> 
> Known bugs:
> * If you test on a USB, the first screen will freeze for a moment when
> you click on "Try Lubuntu ...". Just wait, it will continue as normal.
> 
> * Bug reported during testing :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam
> 
> * Specific pages for pcmanfm2 bugs :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing
> 
> If you want to create a bootable usb system, please use the usb creator
> directly on Ubuntu.
> 
> Please follow the testing process described on this page :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam . You can also
> report problems and bugs relative to the tests on this page.
> 
> Download : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-alpha3.iso
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Yaroslav]

Hello.

I have a bug with network-manager. It doesn't ask me root privileges for 
changing interface properties, and doesn't save manually entered network 
settings, e.g. IP adress, netmask, gateway. 

But i use virtual host on VmWare, maybe this is the source of problem. For now, 
i found temporary troubleshoot, using ifconfig command directly.  




-Original Message-
From: Julien Lavergne 
To: lubuntu-desktop 
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:25:10 +0100
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

> Hi,
> 
> The Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 is now available. Don't forget that it's build
> with Ubuntu Lucid (10.04) which is still in Alpha state of development,
> so same warnings :
> 
> "Pre-releases of Lucid are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable
> system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even
> frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu developers
> and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs."
> 
> We passed Feature Freeze, that mean most of the features should now be
> available. It's now time for testing and fixing bugs.
> 
> New features since Alpha 2 :
> * Main changes in the seed :
>  - chromium for the browser
>  - gnome-mplayer for the videos
>  - network-manager for the network
> 
> * pcmanfm2, the rewrite of the file-manager, is now used by default.
> 
> * New artwork made by Rafael Laguna.
> 
> * A new session (Lubuntu-Netbook), which launched lxlauncher. You need
> to logout, select Lubuntu-Netbook session instead of Lubuntu, and enter
> login "ubuntu" without password.
> 
> Known bugs:
> * If you test on a USB, the first screen will freeze for a moment when
> you click on "Try Lubuntu ...". Just wait, it will continue as normal.
> 
> * Bug reported during testing :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam
> 
> * Specific pages for pcmanfm2 bugs :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing
> 
> If you want to create a bootable usb system, please use the usb creator
> directly on Ubuntu.  
> 
> Please follow the testing process described on this page :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam . You can also
> report problems and bugs relative to the tests on this page.
> 
> Download : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-alpha3.iso
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Phill Whiteside]

Confused @ phillw

When is the next IRC meet ?

Is it Sat 27th Feb @ 15:00 UCT (GMT) ?


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Phill Whiteside]

Can you update the wiki page, please ?

Thanks,

Phill.

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 is now available. Don't forget that it's build
> with Ubuntu Lucid (10.04) which is still in Alpha state of development,
> so same warnings :
>
> "Pre-releases of Lucid are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable
> system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even
> frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu developers
> and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs."
>
> We passed Feature Freeze, that mean most of the features should now be
> available. It's now time for testing and fixing bugs.
>
> New features since Alpha 2 :
> * Main changes in the seed :
>  - chromium for the browser
>  - gnome-mplayer for the videos
>  - network-manager for the network
>
> * pcmanfm2, the rewrite of the file-manager, is now used by default.
>
> * New artwork made by Rafael Laguna.
>
> * A new session (Lubuntu-Netbook), which launched lxlauncher. You need
> to logout, select Lubuntu-Netbook session instead of Lubuntu, and enter
> login "ubuntu" without password.
>
> Known bugs:
> * If you test on a USB, the first screen will freeze for a moment when
> you click on "Try Lubuntu ...". Just wait, it will continue as normal.
>
> * Bug reported during testing :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam
>
> * Specific pages for pcmanfm2 bugs :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing
>
> If you want to create a bootable usb system, please use the usb creator
> directly on Ubuntu.
>
> Please follow the testing process described on this page :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam . You can also
> report problems and bugs relative to the tests on this page.
>
> Download : 
> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-alpha3.iso
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Julien Lavergne]

Hi,

The Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 is now available. Don't forget that it's build
with Ubuntu Lucid (10.04) which is still in Alpha state of development,
so same warnings :

"Pre-releases of Lucid are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable
system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even
frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu developers
and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs."

We passed Feature Freeze, that mean most of the features should now be
available. It's now time for testing and fixing bugs.

New features since Alpha 2 :
* Main changes in the seed :
 - chromium for the browser
 - gnome-mplayer for the videos
 - network-manager for the network

* pcmanfm2, the rewrite of the file-manager, is now used by default.

* New artwork made by Rafael Laguna.

* A new session (Lubuntu-Netbook), which launched lxlauncher. You need
to logout, select Lubuntu-Netbook session instead of Lubuntu, and enter
login "ubuntu" without password.

Known bugs:
* If you test on a USB, the first screen will freeze for a moment when
you click on "Try Lubuntu ...". Just wait, it will continue as normal.

* Bug reported during testing :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam

* Specific pages for pcmanfm2 bugs :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing

If you want to create a bootable usb system, please use the usb creator
directly on Ubuntu.  

Please follow the testing process described on this page :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam . You can also
report problems and bugs relative to the tests on this page.

Download : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-alpha3.iso

Regards,
Julien Lavergne 


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