[lubuntu-users] Discourse forum broken(?)

[Mark F]

FYI: Since around 11pm March 1 (UTC), the Discourse forum has had a
problem. The main index page gives the impression everything is fine. But,
if you click on any thread nothing happens (spinning indicator; reload says
"can't be reached."

I can't see any way from there to notify anyone (clicking on my profile to
use private message has the same behavior.).

Thanks!
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Re: [lubuntu-users] contributions (was: 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement)

[Mark F]

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 7:57 AM Liam Proven  wrote:

> Since you have not even got the basic manners to bottom-post yourself
> -- and yes Gmail does it fine;


Gmail is interesting because when I hit "reply" it puts two blank lines
above the quoted text -- almost seducing the respondent to type above.


> this post itself is proof -- you even
> mock it, then I not only do not feel welcomed, I feel that I am told I
> am not welcome.
>

Sorry, man. I was just questioning Raif's assertion that a forum makes it
impossible to top post. I gave my example for why I didn't see that being
true. It wasn't meant to mock.

But, you're also right. Of all the things in the world to worry about and
control... how people participate in conversations seems like it would be a
tiring obsession. Neither email nor forums will enforce a EDI-like data
interchange structure. Leading by example seems more productive than being
the posting cop. (Especially when gmail *invites* top posting.). To each
their own. My reply to Raif was more about the assertion that forums
prevent top posting.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] contributions (was: 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement)

[Mark F]

Not to pull your chain. But... (I'm pulling your chain now...) how do you
see forums being impossible to top post? How would a forum prevent me from
doing what I'm doing in this reply to you?

I.e., if the mailing list bridge were active, wouldn't this email (a top
post) convert into a forum post exactly as it appears here? Couldn't I
create the same post via the forum, and it would convert into an email like
this?

The forum needs you guys! :)

Mark

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 9:37 PM Ralf Mardorf 
wrote:

> On Sun, 19 May 2019 13:44:21 -0700, Mark F wrote:
> >I like it. I just replied to someone (I top posted too! Maybe that
> >will get Liam to join. wink).
>
> The only advantage of a forum seems to be, that it is impossible to post
> on top.
>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] contributions (was: 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement)

[Mark F]

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 9:37 PM Ralf Mardorf 
wrote:

> What I hate very much are forums with (intended) broken email
> notification and a system of rewards.
>

I think "likes" can help keep the noise down. Instead of one-liner
"thanks!" replies, or someone posting month later "I found your post and it
helped me," they can just "like" the post as a way of showing appreciation.

For example, I posted my touchpad enable/disable script. I was kind of
matter-of-fact about it. Walter replied asking the OP if they understood
it, needed more help. I realized I should have offered more
assistance/explanation. So, I liked Walter's post. If I didn't have the
"like" button, I would have had to reply with a one-liner (that all the
mailing-list recipients would have had to divert 3 seconds of their day to
process).

So, without knowing what you dislike about it, there are positives.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] contributions (was: 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement)

[Mark F]

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:20 AM Liam Proven  wrote:

> >  They don't have curb appeal?
>
> I don't know what "curb appeal" means.
>

Curb appeal in the sense of people driving by and stopping to participate.
Compared to this mailing list, those forums have *huge* participation.
(HUGE!). The only thing I can ascribe that to is that it's a forum, not a
mailing list.

I agree that forums feel clumsy, inefficient for daily participation in
topics. I have seen a forum which was specifically designed to be more like
a mailing list. (You could subscribe to the forum and receive all posts as
emails. Reply via email. Unsubscribe from topics via email. It was like a
forum front-end to a mailing list. The mailing list could be discovered as
a forum, browsed as a forum, used like a forum. But, if someone wanted to
treat it as a mailing list, they could do that.). If there were any
interest in this I could try to find that again. If I recall, it was
written in Perl. (That stood out to me.).

Maybe my observation about this mailing list isn't fair because there is a
Ubuntu forum where most(?) Lubuntu users go for help? It's more easily
discovered; more familiar to use (for the average person). If that forum
didn't exist, maybe this mailing list would have more participation.

But, that also proves my point. People seem to gravitate to a forum. The
way the Lubuntu community is here (not on the forum where people seem to go
first) could be missed opportunities for contact with Lubuntu users.
Camaraderie, recruitment of passers by to help with things. It's all
contagious. Someone gets helped, they want to help. The way it is now, it's
like two worlds that never meet. (IMO).

To me, as I started visiting other distros (which exist primarily on
forums), the difference seemed obvious. But, maybe I'm assuming too much
about drive-by visitors becoming engaged. It just seems like, if people
aren't even coming through the front door, you can't even have the
conversation (inspiring Lubuntu users to help, etc.).

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Re: [lubuntu-users] contributions (was: 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement)

[Mark F]

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 9:06 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:

> it would be certainly easier if we had more help…



> Most of what the Lubuntu Team is
> doing is providing support, creating documentation, reporting and
> triaging bugs, testing images and fixes, creating graphics, and
> packaging. Plus, we're happy to provide support for those that want to
> learn more. That said, there's a place for *everyone*.
>

Do you think a forum environment might engender more participation,
collaboration, passion, interest, etc?

I've been hanging out on the Mint, Peppermint and MX Linux forums. The
amount of activity there is vastly greater than here. I don't know if that
translates into the productive things you mention. But, there seems to be a
vastly greater level of passion and participation. I have to believe it's
the collaboration platform making the difference(?).

Mailing lists are easier than visiting forums to look for replies. (It
seems like some forums could use rss feeds to monitor like an email
inbox?).  But, if they're a barrier to attracting people... maybe a forum
would be better?

Ubuntu has a support forum. It gets a lot of participation too. Compared to
this mailing list, it seems like it must be the nature of mailing lists?
They don't have curb appeal?
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Re: [lubuntu-users] mouse scroll wheel behavior in pcmanfm-qt (was: 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement)

[Mark F]

On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 2:12 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:

>
> ... I created a bug report upstream to advocate for an
> option in pcmanfm-qt to override the definition of what a line was. It
> was not met with success, primarily because of making it ultimately
> inconsistent with the behavior of any other program.
>

I respect that you're working on that. But, as I said before, I upgraded to
LXQt relatively late compared to most here. If nobody else thought the
increased velocity (of PCManFM-Qt's scrolling) was bothersome, it's not
worth pursuing.

Speaking of consistency, I don't know how other file managers work. But,
I'm on MX 18.2 now. It uses Thunar file manager. I was test-driving
Peppermint 9, which uses Nemo. They both scroll similar to how the original
PCManFM did (i.e., a similar movement to scrolling any other app installed
on the same system.).

I thought the LX crew were recreating LXDE using Qt. I thought
"consistency" (as a priority) would have prevented that accelerated
scrolling (or made it an option. Perhaps collect stats on usage and
eventually make the option the default if it proved "most people" used rows
as the denominator.). But, again, I'm the only one sensitive to it. Maybe
it's a nice feature for the community LX** is going after. Nothing wrong
with that.

I appreciate the time you've put into this. I'll probably unsubscribe soon.
I'm not using it now, and wouldn't have any use-based input to provide. I'm
going to use MX Linux for awhile, then maybe Peppermint. Maybe I'll circle
back to Lubuntu and see how LXQt evolves/matures.

BTW: In a previous message I mentioned the "empty trashcan" progress window
had a "/ 4" (after the number of files being processed). I posted that
maybe this indicates the number of errors encountered. However, another
empty of fewer files had "/ 2" and didn't display any error msgs at the
end. So, maybe that's not what it signifies.

When I was playing with deleting large quantities of files, and emptying
the trash can, something went wrong. It complained that it couldn't delete
files in the trashcan. It froze. Subsequent "empty trash can" operations
didn't do anything (even though there were lots of files showing in the
can). I rebooted and had a cryptic trashcan on my desktop. Something like
"Trash.yzf4jt5lx." A proper trashcan was present on the desktop too. I was
able to move that cryptic thing to the trashcan and empty the can.

I don't now how to recreate that. I'm just mentioning it in case the topic
arises from others. It seems like something's not working right with the
trashcan. (I saw it have errors before, unable to delete files showing in
the trashcan. Like it gets confused about what's in the trashcan, or can't
remove things that are already removed. I don't know how that would happen.
But, that freeze and cryptic file on the desktop (after reboot) was a
severe form of something I'd already seen 2-3 times. (It could have
something to do with deleting files on a USB device. And then emptying the
can when the device isn't connected.).

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Emptying trash: files processed num / num

[Mark F]

>
> What does the "/ 4" mean?
>

Maybe it means errors? The empty completed 2-3 minutes after I sent that.
And, I had 3-4 errors to click through.
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[lubuntu-users] Emptying trash: files processed num / num

[Mark F]

This isn't intuitive to me. When I empty a very full trashcan, the progress
window says "files processed: 16,243 / 4"

What does the "/ 4" mean?

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Mark F]

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 1:11 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:

> That said, I did some testing and I'm not sure I see this as so cut and
> dry.


I agree. One could prefer a literal "scroll three things" (without concern
for whether those things are lines, or photo thumbnails, or desktops).
Three is three.

Since I upgraded to LXQt relatively late, I assume the lack of anyone else
bringing this up the past year or so means it's the right way to do it.

To me, it feels weird to have to reorient myself to what three _is_. I
think of it more as _distance_. When I roll my wheel, I adjust my
enthusiasm/expectation by how far I have to go (within the size of the
viewport). I don't really think about it as "I'm looking at smaller things,
Spin madly!" (nor, "whales! go slow."). It's just a gesture I'm accustomed
to doing (with an expectation of the result, no matter the context.).

I apologize for opening the bug reports to the wrong place, and the wrong
way. When you told me to open them, I just googled for "LXQT bugs" and
that's where I landed. Much of the template didn't seem to apply. I thought
it was just a formality to get the issues being discussed some visibility.

I hope the feedback and resulting discussion has at least been helpful.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Mark F]

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 10:39 AM Mark F  wrote:

>
> The comparison of memory usage of 13 distros is here:
>
> https://jmp.sh/b/J8EVuhpUI69oJMka2LfS
>
>
Quick update: I added Ubuntu 19.4 (Gnome) and Mint Xfce. The files have
been updated. I also added a screen shot of just the data (not the notes
below the data) if that's easier for people to view/share. That image is
also hot-linkable from here:

https://i.postimg.cc/7YZFtdpY/Lubuntu-19-04-mem-compare.gif

I think I'm finished doing that.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Mark F]

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 5:32 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:

>
> If you get some good results from the benchmarking (maybe you should
> benchmark the two installers?), please share to
> lubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com and perhaps we can use it in an upcoming
> blog or a piece on the website.
>

The comparison of memory usage of 13 distros is here:

https://jmp.sh/b/J8EVuhpUI69oJMka2LfS


I uploaded a PDF and the LibreOffice Calc source file, if anyone wants to
format it differently.

This all began because, after switching to LXQt (I had been on 18.04), it
was enough of a change that I wanted to refamiliarize myself other distros,
see if something else suits me better (I'm liking Peppermint 9.2. Also Mint
Mate 19.1 and MX 18.2. I'm going to continue playing with those until the
new versions of Peppermint and/or Mint Mate are released in 2-3 months.
Then probably go to one of those for awhile.).

FWIW: The greatest impediment to me using LXQt is the way PCManFM treats
the scroll wheel with more levity (less gravity). It spins faster. I think
it's respecting the "3 lines" default in LXQt-settings->Keyboard & Mouse.
But, I think it treats rows as a lines.  And so, it has a greater spin than
the old LXDE PCManFM. It's hard for me to adjust between scrolling the web
browser, Featherpad, etc., and then have to be ginger with PCManFM
scrolling more than I anticipate.

It's not a serious problem. But that was the primary reason to start
looking. Maybe other people like it. I'm not saying it's wrong. Just wrong
for me. (It initially reminded me of web sites that will change how
scrolling works. Often those sites are just showing off, being cute, "look
what I can do with javascipt" glitter. I get really annoyed when I visit
one of those. So, PCManFM-Qt initial effected me that way. But, now I think
it's trying to translate the "3 lines" scrollwheel value to rows. If that's
true, it seems reasonable. I just don't like it.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Wish list on Disco+--more items in right-click desktop menu??

[Mark F]

Something else came to mind: In previous Lubuntu (with LXDE), you could
right click on the start-menu items and "Add to desktop" (or "Properties").
In the new LXQt desktop, right clicking is like left clicking (it executes
the item in the menu).

I miss that LXDE feature. (I struggled to put Qt terminal on the desktop as
part of my memory-use benchmarking.).

(Something I like very much in LXQt is how renaming a file in PCManFM lets
you type over the filename displayed in the panel beneath its
icon/thumbnail. In LXDE, a popup would appear. That always seemed
unpolished/clunky. I like this new way.).
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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Mark F]

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 5:32 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:

> On 2019-04-25 00:18, Mark F wrote:
> > I installed 19.04 a few days ago, it seemed to install
> > faster than I remember past versions.
> > I was thinking maybe LXQt isn't as
> > large (disk space) as LXDE. But, now it comes with LibreOffice.
>
> If you get some good results from the benchmarking (maybe you should
> benchmark the two installers?), please share to
> lubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com and perhaps we can use it in an upcoming
> blog or a piece on the website.
>

FYI: I just installed using QEMU:

Old installer:

Lubuntu (LXDE) 18.4.2 (20 minutes, 7 seconds)


New Installer:

Lununtu (LXQt) 19.4 (13 minutes, 41 seconds)


I installed both from the Live CD desktop environment (not the GRUB
"Install it" menu item. 19.4 doesn't have that option. So they were both
installed the same way.).

18.4.2: I chose download updates while installing, and install 3rd party
software.

19.4: Doesn't have those two options (or, I wasn't paying enough
attention).

Could that affect the difference in install times? I.e., does Calamaes do
that stuff by default? If not, I could reinstall 18.4.2 with those two
options disabled (download updates & install 3rd party).

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Wish list on Disco+--more items in right-click desktop menu??

[Mark F]

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 2:36 PM Fritz Hudnut  wrote:

>  I recently installed Siduction into another partition, based on Debian
> Sid,  ... one feature that seems "nice"
>

 You reminded me of something I saw in Peppermint (I think, it's all a blur
now. If I find it was MATE, I'll post a correction): the panel/task-bar
(whatever it's called on the bottom of the screen) has an option for "smart
hide." It will remain in view until a window covers it. Then it behaves
like auto-hide. I thought someone should win the Nobel for thinking of
that! It's lie the best of both worlds.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Mark F]

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 8:35 AM Mark F  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 11:54 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking an improvement might be the words "more than" rather than
>> "at least."
>
>
> That's impressive you figure all that out (the installer's minimum-space
> weirdness). I just wanted to say that Linux-Lite 4.4 has the exact same
> wording as Xubuntu.
>

BTW:  I don't think it should matter if disk size (bytes) are counted
precisely the same way (a gig = 1,073,741,824 or 1 million bytes). However,
I understand how that *would* matter if someone were trying to have
precisely the minimum space available. Then you have to be talking the same
language.

The reason I don't think it should matter: Xubuntu (for example) only uses
4.8gb after install (measured using "df -h" command). I would have
preferred that it say "Xubuntu recommends 8.6gb... would you like to
install anyway?" I had to recreate the QEMU session larger just so
Xubuntu's installer was happy. But, in the end, 7gb, 8gb it doesn't
seem like it should have mattered. If the installer were more flexble
(could distinguish between bare minimum versus recommended minimum), then
73mb per gig of space would be a trifling detail(?).

I know the installer and Xubuntu aren't your (Walter's) department. I'm
just wondering if that would be another way to look at it? Lubuntu uses
4.5gb. But, required 8gb to pass the installer's requirement.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Mark F]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 11:54 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:

> I'm thinking an improvement might be the words "more than" rather than
> "at least."


That's impressive you figure all that out (the installer's minimum-space
weirdness). I just wanted to say that Linux-Lite 4.4 has the exact same
wording as Xubuntu.

I have the installed "memory used" baseline for 10 distros right now. I
didn't get Linux-Lite in my previous list because I couldn't get it to boot
from USB flash stick. It would do a little something, and then jump to my
Lubuntu 19.04 installed on hardisk. It wasn't important to me to resolve
it. I was only comparing things. But, it boots in QEMU. (FWIW).

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Shift-Insert works different in LXQt

[Mark F]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 10:28 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:

> I would argue that if you polled people, you'd find that few people use
> it. That was more of my point.
>
> Furthermore, when's the last time you saw it as the shortcut in the Edit
> menu of a program?
>

I agree. I worded my first post the way I did because of that (believing
Featherpad's behavior was intentional and could be an impediment to Windows
users trying Linux.). I was thinking someone would say "ctrl-v is how it's
supposed to be done! (See RFC 1458 stroke B subsection 14, paragraph 3!)" I
didn't believe many people used shift-insert these days. I thought of it
more as a legacy Windows thing.

I continue to gravitate toward shift-insert because I *frequently* hit
ctrl-c by accident -- wiping out what I ctrl-x'ed (and can't recreate
because ctrl-x eliminated the selection.). I have a Pavlovian aversion to
positioning my fingers for that operation.

I've been exposed to Linux since the days of ftp'ing 21(?) 1.4mb floppy
images (1992 or 93). It's funny to think how easy things are today. You can
download a single image a mllion times faster, that's a million times
larger, burn it to a USB stick a million times faster, for a fraction of
the cost. (Back then, 21 diskettes was an investment. Not like cheap usb
sticks today. It took all afternoon listening to the drive's head moving.).

Pretty soon we'll have implants (transhumanist movement). In 30 years
people will laugh about ctrl-c vs shift-insert (as they merely *think*
about what they want copied or pasted, and it happens automatically).

Considering how long I've used it (I used Red Hat *a lot* before Ubuntu
arrived, before RH was called Fedora), you'd think I'd be more proficient.
I lack some kind of aptitude for cryptic commands. So, I'm sure I'll be
looking for a lightweight implant then too. :) My head won't handle the
full-sized implant.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Mark F]

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 5:03 PM Mark F  wrote:

> Anyway: I created a 6g QEMU image. When I tried to install Lubuntu, it
> told me minimum 8g. So, I deleted that and created a new one 8g.
>
> But, Lubuntu still said 8g is required (and wouldn't proceed).
>

FYI: Xubuntu 19.4 has a similar condition. I created an 8g QEMU session.
Booted Xububu. When I elected to install, it objected saying "Xubuntu
requires 8.6 GB of space... This computer only has 8.6GB."

I uploaded a screenshot here: https://i.postimg.cc/7h62nknF/xubuntu-19-4.png

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Mark F]

>
> What was the last Lubuntu version that used the old installer? (If it came
> in both LXDE and LXQt, let me know which to install as the comparison to
> 19.04.).
>

FYI: I found out 18.04 was the last version before Calamares. I downloaded
that ISO and will compare install times.

I re-gathered "free" (mem used) info for 6 distros in my original list.
(Mint Cinnamon is installing now). All the numbers are lower than I got
from the live-cd sessions. Also, if a distro doesn't have the terminal on
the dekstop (or launcher bar), I put it on the desktop and reboot. I think
navigating through the menus (to get to the terminal) affects the memory
used. I think it might have inflated Lubuntu 19.04 in my original set of
numbers, from the live-cd environment.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Mark F]

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 5:32 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:

> If you get some good results from the benchmarking (maybe you should
> benchmark the two installers?),
>

I'll see what I can do. Initially I just wanted to verify my numbers. Today
I played with Puppy in QEMU and the memory use was lower than when I booted
the .iso from USB stick. I want to do more comparing. (I wasn't expecting
to get into it that much. I was just getting a quick refamiliarization of
some distros. I thought of the memory use from "free" to be trivia. Maybe
I'll do it all over.

What was the last Lubuntu version that used the old installer? (If it came
in both LXDE and LXQt, let me know which to install as the comparison to
19.04.).

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Mark F]

>
> That would mean Calamares is looking for 8 and QEMU
> is only making 7.45 (base 10). Base 10 *IS* the standard, according to
> the IEEE, so I would consider it a bug against whomever is using base 2.
>

One thing I wanted to mention: I didn't run into this with Mint MATE. I use
a 6g QEMU image, and MATE objected saying it needed 12g, I created a 12g,
and it accepted that image file.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Mark F]

BTW: When I installed 19.04 a few days ago, it seemed to install faster
than I remember past versions.

I think I just experienced that again installing it as a QEMU image. I just
installed Peppermint and Mate in QEMU. Their install speed seemed normal.
But, when Lubuntu finished, it stood out to me as significant faster again.

Would that be the new install tool? I was thinking maybe LXQt isn't as
large (disk space) as LXDE. But, now it comes with LibreOffice. So, it
seems like it should still be similar that way.

Mark

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[lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement

[Mark F]

I was just installing Lubuntu 19.4 using QEMU. (I thought I would play with
Liam's process for benchmarking a post-install. I still think it would be
beneficial to have some kind of mem display widget installed on the screen
so the terminal's footprint itself isn't a contributing factor.).

Anyway: I created a 6g QEMU image. When I tried to install Lubuntu, it told
me minimum 8g. So, I deleted that and created a new one 8g.

But, Lubuntu still said 8g is required (and wouldn't proceed). So, I
deleted that again, thinking I made a mistake. I created it again as 8g.
Still the same "minimum requirements not satisfied." So, I deleted it
again, created the image 10gig.

Now it's installing.

Maybe 9g would have worked. I didn't want to nail down the magic number. I
just wanted to bring up that something seems wrong with the installer that
way. It wouldn't affect many people.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Resume from "suspend:" a privacy concern?

[Mark F]

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 2:28 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:

> On 2019-04-24 17:18, Mark F wrote:
> > I might suspend the laptop when I go to bed (or shopping). When I
> > return, pressing the power button is how I wake it up.
>
> What do you have in /etc/systemd/logind.conf?
>

#  This file is part of systemd.
#
#  systemd is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
#  under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License as published by
#  the Free Software Foundation; either version 2.1 of the License, or
#  (at your option) any later version.
#
# Entries in this file show the compile time defaults.
# You can change settings by editing this file.
# Defaults can be restored by simply deleting this file.
#
# See logind.conf(5) for details.

 start ==

[Login]
#NAutoVTs=6
#ReserveVT=6
#KillUserProcesses=no
#KillOnlyUsers=
#KillExcludeUsers=root
#InhibitDelayMaxSec=5
#HandlePowerKey=poweroff
#HandleSuspendKey=suspend
#HandleHibernateKey=hibernate
#HandleLidSwitch=suspend
#HandleLidSwitchExternalPower=suspend
#HandleLidSwitchDocked=ignore
#PowerKeyIgnoreInhibited=no
#SuspendKeyIgnoreInhibited=no
#HibernateKeyIgnoreInhibited=no
#LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=yes
#HoldoffTimeoutSec=30s
#IdleAction=ignore
#IdleActionSec=30min
#RuntimeDirectorySize=10%
#RemoveIPC=yes
#InhibitorsMax=8192
#SessionsMax=8192

= end =


> It's not entirely locked.
>
> So you don't have to enter the password?
>

I meant: you don't have to have a password to see the desktop (ever so
briefly).

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[lubuntu-users] Shift-Insert works different in LXQt

[Mark F]

Something else I'm noticing: I have the habit of using shift-insert to
paste things.

I'm noticing that Featherpad will change to type-over mode from insert mode
(as if I pressed the insert key to toggle that mode).

Chrome, firefox, noblenote, all seem to not have that behavior. It might be
just Featherpad, not LXQt.

I thought I would mention this because I think shift-insert is popular
among Windows users? They might be frustrated if forced to do ctrl-v (on
top of all the other frustrations of changing to a new environment). It
could be an impediment to adoption. (I honestly don't know how prevalent
shift-insert is. I googled and it doesn't look like it's rare.).

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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu compared to other distros

[Mark F]

After upgrading to 19.4, which finally moved me to the LXQt form of
Lubuntu, I thought now would be a good time to re-visit other distros. See
if something else beckons me. (I did this about 3 years ago.).

I was struck by how similar (in appearance at least) Peppermint 9.2 is to
Lubuntu LXDE. I'm also liking Mint MATE better than I did when I last
looked at it (about 3 years ago). In terms of full-blown (not intended to
be lightweight) desktop, I liked Neon KDE/Plasma. It didn't feel that
heavy, and the memory wasn't that much.

Anyway, as I was giving distros a quick exploration, I would open the
terminal and run "free". This is what I got for memor used:

===
Cinnamon 19.1 = 515,888 Zorin 12 (core) = 487,088 Xubuntu 19.4 = 397,528
Mate 19.1 = 391,800 (disable background img immediately reduced to 367,068.
disable animated window/glitter stuff: 348,588) Neon KDE/Plasma 20190418 =
388,356 Lubuntu 19.4 (LXQt) = 342,604 Peppermint 9.2 = 314,108 Bodhi 5.0.0
= 201,652 AntiX 17.4.1 = 159,252 Puppy 8.0 = 150,468 (but, after closing
the automatically opened setup dialog: 139,692)
===

[In case that's garbled, I uploaded a screenshot here:
https://i.postimg.cc/kgTDr34j/distros.png ]

Those may not be great comparisons. In most cases I had to open menus to
reach the terminal. (That might increase memory use by the time "free" is
run.). Other times the terminal was on the panel bar.

Also, some distros like Mate were very quick to release memory (after
disabling background image or Compiz effects). Others seemed to leave the
memory allocated until required by something else (which could be better in
actual operation). So, a more valid comparison would require installing
each distro, making config changes (screen image, effects, etc.) then
reboot. (Even better if each installation had a memory usage widget
installed on the desktop so it could be seen without any interaction which
might change the memory used.).

If there is a way to see guest memory use from outside Qemu, I have all the
.iso files and could do that. (I couldn't find a way. I saw some things
saying it's not possible because KVM is a black box).

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[lubuntu-users] Resume from "suspend:" a privacy concern?

[Mark F]

I have seen this 2-3 times (just again a few minutes ago). When I press the
laptop's power button after it's been suspended, I see my desktop before
it's overlaid by xscreensaver.

It's very brief, maybe 1/3 second. But it felt alarming.

Maybe this is why the suspend feature was removed from the login screen?.
If that feature were present, a curious individual could re-suspend
(repeatedly) to get a better look.

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[lubuntu-users] Fwd: 19.04LXQt Change title bar to a different color?

[Mark F]

@Water, below is the first reply which was held in the moderator queue. I
thought it would be released and eventually come through. But, I just
received a rejection notice due to the attached image.

Sorry for the conversation being out of order. I should have reposted
immediately without the attachment. As mentioned earlier, the screen shot
is posted here: https://i.postimg.cc/rmtWgpV6/DSC01030.jpg

-- Forwarded message -
On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 11:48 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:

Right click on the taskbar and select "Configure panel" and play around
> with the options in custom styling. More sweeping changes to the system
> can be done in Preferences → LXQt Settings → Appearance.
>

Thanks. I wasn't aware of taskbar styling. I've seen the
Prefs->settings->Appearance. It looks like all I can do is pick a different
theme, not edit a particular (the title bar of windows)?

I worried about changing the entire theme, changing more than I want. But,
I can try that.


> > I was a little rattled about accepting what it was going to do.
>
> Even after reading the summary at the end?
>


>[...]
> I'm struggling to to understand what you're trying to explain. Could you
> perhaps go through the process again (say, in a virtual machine), and
> keep track of the steps necessary to see this?
>

I booted the install media again and took a screen shot. See attached. (The
only thing different: when I installed 19.04, the existing partition was
18.04.).

What gave me pause is that the partitions seemed out of order. I thought I
had root, swap and an extra partition for old stuff I don't access much (in
that order). When I saw the installer's graphical depiction, it looked like
I was being invited to install into that extra partition. What compounded
that perception was how *that* partition doesn't show the sdaN identifier.

The old installer would ask identify the existing Lubuntu partition and ask
to install over it. That seemed like an easy choice to make.

This installer provides more info (reminding me of the old installer's
advanced, custom "create your own partitions" option). So, that extra info
makes you pause and think more about what you're accepting. But, the way it
doesn't give all the info (the sdaN identifier for the one you're asked to
obliterate) it felt more stressful to me. I was expecting to click
through that page. Suddenly, "wait a minute, what? which one is this?"

I suppose there's nothing wrong with inviting greater caution, scrutiny. I
think if that partition said "sda2" (which is what it is), then it would
have been clear to me (faster) that it's in the order I thought it was in.

So, I'm used to the old installer which just said "Replace existing Lubuntu
xx.xx partition" (something like that). I trusted that. No details to make
me think deeper about it. But, the new installer


> > (Something
> > about it, even when it's turned down to 1, which should be the default
> IMO,
> > feels different than scrolling other apps.).
>
> You seem to suggest there are applications you have installed which do
> not have this strange behavior. Which are they?
>

After using it more, it seems like it's just PCManFM-Qt. That seems to
scroll with more "gesture" than Featherpad, Google Chrome.

Initially, PCManFM was *very* nimble/springy/excited (I call it "glam"
because that's what people do to web pages, showing off, "this is cool!"
but makes the page less pleasant to visit. It's used like *decoration*, not
for any real purpose.). You find yourself having to relearn how to use your
mouse (just to visit a web page).

When I found the scroll-wheel "number of lines" setting in Prefs->LXQt
Settings->Keyboard Mouse, that made PCManFM more like what I expect. But,
now it seems Featherpad & Google Chrome scroll a bit too grudgingly.

If noone else has commented on this, it must be me. But, to me it's
frustrating to have one app that works differently with the mouse. I could
understand a 3rd-party app glamming up the scroll wheel (people get carried
away with fancy stuff). But, it surprised me that the desktop's integrated
file manager would do it.

I hope I'm not overstating this topic. It must be something *everyone* is
experiencing. I must be hypersensitive to it if everyone else is fine.


> > 3. The theme seems a little large'ish compared to LXDE.
>
> What resolution are you dealing with? This may have an effect on your
> impression. Pixel wise, I think you'll find the two desktop environments
> essentially identical.
>

My laptop's resolution is: 1366x768.

I just noticed in PCManFM, edit->preferences->display, I can reduce the
margin between items. (But, even when set at 0x0px it seems like a lot of
margin between items. Maybe it's just how the text wraps, and I'm not
seeing how close it *can* be.). It feels like the text is too large.

While looking at ->preferences, I saw I can reduce the left pane's icons. I
set that to the smallest (16x16) and like that better. The left panel
looked 

Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.04LXQt Change title bar to a different color?

[Mark F]

>
> > navigator pane on the left seems like it takes up a lot of margin.
>
> Agreed, based on the default window size, but you can always contract
> it. There is not yet a way to set it to a particular width. I think this
> is worthy of a feature request. Please file a bug!
>

I opened:

- Font-size enhancement (decimal font sizes) #1710

https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1710


- "Desktop prefs->Label text->Font style" not initialized? #1711

https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1711


- Desktop font seperate from "Appearance" settings #1712

https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1712


- Excessive margin with mounted devices (in left pane) #947

https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/issues/947


- Mouse scroll-wheel speed is being affected in a way other apps are not
#948

https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/issues/948


- Unnecessary labels in left-pane "Places." #949

https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/issues/949


I hope that helps! (It appears they were all closed as quickly as they were
opened. But, hopefully being present helps somehow.).


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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.04LXQt Change title bar to a different color?

[Mark F]

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 7:56 AM Mark F  wrote:

> *3.* I found ~/.config/lxqt/lxqt.conf. I changed the font size in that
> file (to 10.5) and it immediately updated the display (everything except
> the Desktop labels. I'll have to figure out where that's stored as a config
> file).
>

FYI: I found ~/.config/pcmanm-qt/lxqt/settings.conf

That looks like it has the desktop font settings. However, when I change
font-size to 10.5, and logout/login, the value reverts back to 10 (in that
file).

The lxqt/lxqt.conf file preserves the 10.5 setting across logins. So, for
me editing that file is a good solution. I just can't set the desktop
labels as similarly. I don't know if I'm changing it in the right place. It
don't know if I'm editing the correct file, or if this part of the system
is different and won't respect decimal values.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.04LXQt Change title bar to a different color?

[Mark F]

>
>
>  If attachments are not ok, I uploaded it for viewing.[1]
>
> [1] http://i.xomf.com/ncnqv.jpg
>

Ooops. Something appears broken at xomf. I uploaded the installer
screenshot here: https://i.postimg.cc/rmtWgpV6/DSC01030.jpg

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.04LXQt Change title bar to a different color?

[Mark F]

On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 8:19 AM Mark F  wrote:

> It feels like the text is too large.
>

I just noticed I can change the font size in Prefs->LXQt
Settings->Appearance. Going own to 10pt makes a positive difference IMO.

Walter, do you know if there is a reason why we can't specify a fractional
font size? In other apps (Inkscape, LO "Writer") we can type in 10.3,
making fine changes to a point size. I don't do that often. But, in this
case, I think that would be very useul. 11 seems a bit large to me. 10 a
bit small. I'm thinking 10.5 would work well (that's one of the fixed sizes
that can be chosen from a list in apps like LO Writer, without having to
type it in with the decimal place.).

[I'm still nervous about changing the theme. I don't understand that well
enough. And there's some "install this before..." verbiage that implies
more than I want to get into.]

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[lubuntu-users] 19.04LXQt Change title bar to a different color?

[Mark F]

I just switched to the LXQt Lubuntu. I thought the LXDE environment had a
tool that let you modify the default theme (ex. the top bar of windows).

I use a dark'ish solid color background. 19.04s black bar doesn't work well
for me. I don't see anyway to change it in LXQt.

Thoughts being new to LXQt:

1. The installer, when it asked if I wanted to replace the existing Lubuntu
(or install alongside) was unnerving to me. The old installer seemed more
straightforward to me. The way this one gives you a gparted'ish display of
partitions, I was a little rattled about accepting what it was going to do.

If I recall, it showed sda1, sda2, et. al. for the various partitions. For
the most part, that matched what I understood about my disk. But, the
existing Lubuntu partition seemed out of place, and didn't have the sda
identifier. Something about that seemed almost like *too much* information,
or not enough. I felt like I was being asked to confirm more than I needed
to, without enough information to do it.

2. Something about the way the mouse scroll wheel seems unnecessarily glam.
I found the option to turn it down to 1 line per movement. That helped a
lot. But, still, compared to how the scroll wheel behaves in application
windows something feels different.

I wish that wouldn't be the case. It doesn't feel intuitive to have to
readjust your interaction with your computer depending on which window
you're in. I know that apps can add "coolness" to the scroll wheel too.
But, most don't. I wish all wouldn't. And I wish LXQt didn't. (Something
about it, even when it's turned down to 1, which should be the default IMO,
feels different than scrolling other apps.).

3. The theme seems a little large'ish compared to LXDE. It has a "feel"
like those UIs designed to be the same on a pad, phone, desktop (which
never seem to be great for any platform.).

It's hard to give real examples.

- I installed KeepassXC. The hidden password field has enormous bubbles
(instead of subtle ellipses).

- A few things our of proportion that way. Like the file manager. The
navigator pane on the left seems like it takes up a lot of margin. Mounted
devices almost certainly don't show more than one character of the device
name because the -^ button is even more margined away from the browsing
window.

- The way it says "places" twice (one is a control, the other a label)
seems unnecessary. Wouldn't the control's current setting serve as a label?

- The menu bar's text seems large (file manager, featherpad).

Things like that seem to be too large to me (disproportional).

Maybe I'm just averse to change and will get used to it. I should have
participated in betas and offered options sooner. (Hopefully it's not bad
to share my impressions now.).

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 19.04 available on Lubuntu.me (but wrong torrent)

[Mark F]

Looks like the torrent is fixed now. I probably caught it while someone was
updating the .me website.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 11:38 AM Mark F  wrote:

> FYI: Lubuntu.me shows 19.04 available for download. When I click the
> torrent to download it, Transmission begins downloading metadata, then the
> torrent name changes to 18.10
>
> My client began seeding a dozen other people. I got the impression a lot
> of people are downloading 18.10, thinking they're getting 19.04 (might not
> have noticed the metadata name change?).
>
> Mark
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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 19.04 available on Lubuntu.me (but wrong torrent)

[Mark F]

FYI: Lubuntu.me shows 19.04 available for download. When I click the
torrent to download it, Transmission begins downloading metadata, then the
torrent name changes to 18.10

My client began seeding a dozen other people. I got the impression a lot of
people are downloading 18.10, thinking they're getting 19.04 (might not
have noticed the metadata name change?).

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Re: [lubuntu-users] C4C Lubuntu ReSpin18.04.2

[Mark F]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 4:40 PM Eric Bradshaw <
ericbrads...@computers4christians.org> wrote:

> Dear Lubuntu Users,
>
> The C4C Lubuntu ReSpin has just been updated to 18.04.2. The 3.9 GB ISO
> is housed on five different servers listed at Computers4Christians'
> website [http://computers4christians.org/Download.html] and runs live
> and/or is easily installed via DVD or USB flash drive on most any
> desktop, laptop, tower or mini-tower made in the last 10 years.
>

Thanks for doing that. Anything that introduces more people to Lubuntu is
great. (I get a mental image of a senior, not-so technically inclined,
blowing everyone's minds with Linux on her laptop. "What's that!").
Probably far more visibility from that one person compared to the average
Lubuntu user.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Wish list for Lu Disco

[Mark F]

>
> sometimes I like to boot up the system, but then I've got other things to
> do, before logging in, or I'm going to be doing something so I want to
> officially "log out" or "not log in" yet . . . but I want to "suspend"
> operations . . . .


I agree. I suspend from the login/locked screen almost daily. If I had to
login to suspend, that would be a big change to what I'm used to. (If I had
a shortcut key to suspend from the login/locked screen, that would work
fine for me. But, it's been an option in past versions of Lubuntu as far as
I can remember.).

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Desktop crashing (18.04)?

[Mark F]

I wanted to post back here with an update (after I posted the straces to
the bug report[1] for PCManFM and GIMP 2.10.8 crashing).

User @Janos (msg #54) said GIMP 2.8.x was crashing for him (it was fine for
me the whole time PCManFM was crashing in the previous version of Lubuntu,
which I strongly believe was 17.04). He switched to a PPA-served apt
package of GIMP (not the "flatpack" version GIMP officially(?) serves. He
said his GIMP crashes went away. (Whereas, my GIMP crashes began with
2.10.x, which I installed from flatpack.).

So, I uninstalled my flatpack 2.10.8, and setup the PPA[2] and that
"apt-get install" version of GIMP (still 2.10.8) loads much faster. I also
noticed it doesn't cause the *profuse* PCManFM logging (when I strace
PCManFM). That GIMP hasn't crashed yet.

I really believe there's something about the official(?) flatpack GIMP that
entangles itself with PCManFM's crashing behavior (for those experiencing
it). The PCManFM strace logging was phenomenal using the flatpack GIMP.
Twenty-one seconds of logging was over 60mb. When I switched to the PPA
package of GIMP, the logging virtually stopped (when GIMP was the active
window).

I just wanted to give that update here in case anyone else is having that
issue.

[The PCManFM crash isn't very bad for me. I don't mind restarting PCManFM
every few days. But, that GIMP crashing was *painful*. It would crash 3-4
times while editing an image. Sometimes after 10-15 minutes of getting the
colors "just right." I don't think I could live with that for too long.]

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984
[2] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp
sudo apt update
sudo apt install gimp
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Desktop crashing (18.04)?

[Mark F]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 7:47 AM Nio Wiklund  wrote:

> You can try the Ubuntu pastebin,
>
> https://paste.ubuntu.com/


I tried but the "paste!" (submit) button timed out, ended in 502 gateway
error. I think the pasted content (60meg?) was too much.

I posted a message to launchpad (the bug report Walter linked to) and
attached it there. (It didn't occur to me to compress it. Launchpad timed
out trying to accept that msg/attachment. Hopefully I didn't create
duplicate messages.).

HOWEVER!!! (cue the party hats and kazoos): as I was trying to navigate my
way to see previous strace file's size (via it's "properties")... PCManFM
crashed! I don't remember exactly where I was getting to where I was trying
to be. I don't think I reached the "right click").

I will post another msg there with that strace file.
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Desktop crashing (18.04)?

[Mark F]

After I posted that last update, I was thinking how GIMP hasn't crashed
since I started stracing pcmanfm. It would previously crash *a lot*. Much
more frequently than the typical *days* between pcmanfm crashes. That
seemed to confirm my suggestive mind that strace is throttling things and
preventing a timing problem.

However, I haven't use GIMP as much lately. So, I just took a picture (I'm
fostering a dog and was overdue for a new photo).

The first thing I noticed using GIMP (2.10.8): the strace log was going
absolutely wild. I'm stracing pcmanfm. Usually it stops emitting when I
switch to an application. (I haven't tried a lot of apps. But, I thought I
saw that when switching to my chrome browser. The log went dormant.). But,
with GIMP, constant log activity (but I'm not stracing it).

So, that confirmed to me stracing is slowing GIMP down and it wasn't
hitting the "timing problem" I've been imaging about all this (clicking too
fast, or something).

Alas... GIMP finally did crash. It didn't freeze (which it used to do). It
just disappeared. It's been disappearing. I haven't paid attention to
whether freezing stopped, or when freezing and disappearing have both been
occurring. (Come to think of it, I think pcmanfm has disappeared too -- in
addition to, or replacing the freezing behavior. I stopped paying attention
and it was all the same thing to me.).

So, I have strace-pcmanfm output when GIMP crashed. Maybe someone would
like to ponder that? I tailed the last 500k (60mb) lines to a new file.
That's 21 seconds worth before I ctrl-breaked out of strace (which I did
within 3-5 seconds of GIMP crashing). Remember, the console (stderr) was
being captured too. (I don't think I could differentiate that output if I
saw it in there.).

If there's a place I could upload that, let me know. (I can post it to the
bug report. I was thinking this is kind of different and related more to my
speculation here.).
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Desktop crashing (18.04)?

[Mark F]

>
> Now, It's just a matter of time till I have some strace info. I'll post to
> the bug report when I have something.
>

 I just wanted to send an update: no pcmanfm crashes (nor GIMP) since
running strace (as described in the previous post).

I'm starting to think strace's overhead is causing the mouse clicks to be
paced, preventing the crash from occurring. I mentioned in a previous post
that I've been living with this for awhile,[1] and that I had developed a
"feeling" that it had something to do with clicking too fast, a particular
pattern of something that was too aggressive. So... now that's evolving
into "it's the strace! it's *pacing* my mouse clicks for me." (ha). But,
maybe there's truth to that.

I did fool around with fast clicking, going crazy with the mouse (for a
couple days before starting strace). Nothing happened. So, there's probably
nothing to my "gut feeling" about it.

If it ever crashes with strace, I'll post to the bug report (Walter linked
to in a previous post).

[1] Unfortunately, I don't remember when I last upgraded. I know that I had
been out of support for a couple months by the time I upgraded to 18.04.
Previous to whatever version that was, I had been upgrading with each
release.

I just looked at the Ubuntu version history and I'm pretty sure this
started with 17.04. That's the version that would have fallen out of
support shortly before 18.04. (But, I could be mistaken how long I wasn't
getting automatic updates. Maybe it was longer and I was on 16.10. I'm
pretty sure it *was not* that long. But, it definitely wasn't longer. I'm
sure it was just a couple months.).
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Desktop crashing (18.04)?

[Mark F]

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 10:12 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:

> > I didn't think this is related because GIMP had a major upgrade. But,
> GIMP
> > became very unstable for me (similar random freezing; kill it, start
> > again).
>
> Could be related if say it's somehow a GTK issue. Is this only in the
> file picker or is this within the normal GIMP?


The GIMP crashes are random (while color-balancing, contrast-brightness
adjusting, etc.). It seems similar to the pcmanfm crash because it
manifests itself when I click (and realize it's frozen). I might click to
increase/decrease the brightness (in the midst of playing with those values
before applying them).


> The one problem with debugging tools is that you generally have to have
> them running and building up logs of activity while you try to reproduce
> the issue. Well, that's not normally a problem, but with one where you
> don't have a clear process to reproduce the issue, you may have to wait
> a long time, which might mean a huge log file.
>

I'm running strace now. In case anyone else is having crashes and wants to
do this too:

pidof pcmanfm
kill 

strace -Ff -tt pcmanfm --desktop 2>&1 | tee strace-pcmanfm.log


I didn't add the "" parm to the pcmanfm command being straced. It
seemed clearer to let it remain attached to strace. I could have straced
the already running/disowned pcmanfm using its PID[1]. That might be
simpler. But, killing pcmanfm and starting it with strace might capture the
console output in a way tracing the pid wouldn't(?).

I use my laptop casually. I can manually rotate the log file. (Or, schedule
an hourly cron job to do it.).

Now, It's just a matter of time till I have some strace info. I'll post to
the bug report when I have something.

(Sidenote: For a long time these pcmanfm crashes were causing a "program
crashed, would you like to send a crash report?" dialog. I always assumed
someone was getting those (probably from lots of users) and divining
something from it. I haven't seen that dialog for awhile. I've forgotten if
I clicked something saying "never ask again." There was even a time when I
thought someone was trying to fix it because after an automatic update, it
seemed like the desktop restarted itself. Then it went back to me having to
open a terminal and start it manually.).

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Strace , see the pidof example.
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Desktop crashing (18.04)?

[Mark F]

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 4:28 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:

> ... if you could add to the discussion in some way,
> maybe put your heads together with the 7 other folks that claim to have
> the same issue, that might be useful:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984
>
>
Thanks! I read halfway through that and will try to pay more attention to
some things.

For me this started with 18.04. But, I was running 17.04 (or 16.10). I
skipped at least one version (maybe two or three. I don't remember. I know
I had fallen out of support by the time I installed 18.04, software-update
wasn't doing anything anymore.).

I've always felt like it has something to do with mouse clicks not being
handled well (clicking too fast). But, that could just be my imagination,
looking for a simple reason.

Filesystem is EXT4. Laptop is Toshiba C55-B5299 (inexpensive, no-frills.
Celeron N2830 Processor, SATA drive; Intel HD graphics, shared memory.).

I didn't think this is related because GIMP had a major upgrade. But, GIMP
became very unstable for me (similar random freezing; kill it, start
again). It's 2.10.8 right now. I don't know what it was back when I
installed 18.04. But, it was the new, dark-themed 2.10. They changed it to
use GEGL(?). So, I thought that instability was due to *that*. But, maybe
it's related(?).

18.10 is already ready for primetime. Why wait?


I apologize. I didn't meant impugn 18.10. I got the impression (from an
announcement) that it was "the fist step," early-adopter sort of thing.
Maybe in April I'll try it. At this point I think I'd like to find a way to
detect what's happening with pcmanfm.

I'll read the bug comments more thoroughly. It would be nice if there was
some way to turn on debugging. I saw something about strace. Maybe that's
what I need to use. It's not a hardship to have it crash randomly. I just
wish I could view something and see what happened leading up to it. Maybe
some pointers are in the bug report conversation. I'll spend more time
studying that and post there.

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[lubuntu-users] Desktop crashing (18.04)?

[Mark F]

Ever since I upgraded to LTS 18.04, PCmanfm crashes every 3-4 days
(sometimes more than once a day. Sometimes it takes two weeks.).[1]

I guess I was thinking it would be fixed, so I never said anything here.
(And, I guess I became used to it after a few months.). I haven't seen
anyone else mentioned it.

So, I'm wondering: is it just me? Or, is it low priority because LXQt is
superseding LXDE? (If the latter, isn't that problematic for an LTS? If the
former, is there some debugging i can turn on to see what's happening so it
could be reported/fixed?).

Thanks in advance! It's not a terrible problem. I could live with it until
19.04 when I might make the upgrade to the Qt version if it's ready for
prime time then.

[1] I have to restart it from the command line using "pcmanfm --desktop
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Re: [lubuntu-users] [lubuntu-devel] LUBUNTU 16.xx, 17.xx, 18.xx, VERY SLOW BOOT...! Damaged Product=

[Mark F]

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 10:00 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 04, 2018 at 07:26:31PM +0700, Kopi Tv wrote:
> > LUBUNTU 16.xx, 17.xx, 18.xx, VERY SLOW BOOT...! =
>
> Compared to?
>

Do you think systemd has anything to do with it?  I don't know much about
this, but it seems like I read some things in the past couple years about
systemd causing problems like this, and being disliked by Linux purists
because it's monolithic(?) architecture is prone to such problems? (Be
gentle, I know nothing about this. I just recall getting the impression a
few times systemd might cause this.).

Isn't there a tool the OP could run that shows where boot time is spent?

I'm sympathetic to his complaint because I experienced the same thing in
the past. It seems much better now. But, in the 16.xx range, I had some
*very* slow boot times. I remember running a tool which showed a graphical
display of what was taking how much time. It pointed to (what appeared to
be a) black hole of systemd. From what I could tell just from listening to
the machine, it sounded like it was interrogating hard drive connected to
the laptop. I could hear the head moving, resetting. I have the same drive
and things are much better today. It seems a little slow booting, but not 5
minutes like it used to be. (Booting used to be like running gparted. omg.
Why can't that thing figure things out faster? I haven't run it in a long
time either. Maybe it's better. It used to be unuseable unless I executed
it command-line, passing the actual drive I wanted to work with. Otherwise
I could spend *hours* doing just a dozen things.).

To the OP: What do you consider slow? How long is it actually taking?
(Maybe I'm drawing a comparison to my experience that doesn't exist.).

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 18.10, no touchpad settings

[Mark F]

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 9:19 AM Bill Hopkins 
wrote:

> I have tried Lubuntu 18.10, running as a Live Distro from a usb thumb
> drive.
> In both cases there is no "tap to click" function, to emulate a left mouse
> button click, on the touchpad.
> I also was unable to find any program in the Menu, to adjust the settings
> of a touchpad.
> I also tried to download a touchpad program from the software repository,
> but the programs I downloaded and installed, did not show up in the Menu.
>

I used the following in the past:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:atareao/atareao
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install touchpad-indicator


I'm not sure if that ppa is safe, or if there's a better source for that
app.  But, it still works in Lubuntu 18.04. You could try it in 18.10. It
puts a menu item in Accessories. When you execute it, it creates a task
icon near the clock, battery part of the task bar.

I don't use that. I wrote a shell script (executed from .profile at login)
to set synclient parms.

It seems like you should be able to find the .desktop file of the app you
installed. It should be in /usr/share/applications or
~/local/share/applications . (Maybe there are other common places for it).
For example, the one I installed above is at
/usr/share/applications/touchpad-indicator.desktop (If I browse that file,
it says it executes /usr/bin/touchpad-indicator).

Maybe the app you installed is present and you could create a menu item, or
simply execute it from the command line?

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Re: [lubuntu-users] [lubuntu-devel] Taking a new direction

[Mark F]

>From the blog: "we will no longer provide minimum system requirements."

1. Since the L in Lubuntu is lightweight, doesn't that imply there should
be some kind of metric to express *how* light? How it differentiates from
other less-heavy distros (Mate? X?).

2. I wish LXQt could be a different distro (Qubuntu?). Leave the
lightweight distro chartered for its original purpose. Even if it's closed
due to lack of interest, it would be clearer that the emphasis on
"lightweight" lost support. Not that it morphed into something else.

I guess that's the question. Is there a niche for a lightweight Ubuntu? The
blog also said "We're changing 'the whole point of Lubuntu.'" To me, that
seems to invite a new distro name and let Lubuntu die if there's not enough
community support for its "whole point." A clean break?

Without that, I think the distro name will cause confusion. (I know
"Qubuntu" isn't going to be heavy. But... if "how light" (minimum
requirements) isn't a factor anymore... I just think the legacy distro name
invites confusion(?). If there were some emphasis on how light (how it
compares to other, lighter distros), I think retaining the legacy distro
name would make sense.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] [lubuntu-devel] This Week in Lubuntu Development #7

[Mark F]

>From the "This Week:"

> When starting the ISO, it now says

 "Start Lubuntu" instead of "Try Lubuntu without installing" / "Install
Lubuntu".

Personally, I like the wording "without installing." A lot of average folks
(newbies) are *terrified* of doing something that could affect their
existing system. I think emphasizing the non-volatile "Try it without
installing" would calm people's nerves.

Maybe "Start Lubuntu with option to install"?

I just think there's a lot of people who won't click that without assurance
it won't touch their hard disk.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Mouse speed/sensitivity adjust not working?

[Mark F]

PS:

1. I have a relatively new Head Gear wireless mouse. I don't notice any
speed/sensitivity changes either (with it).

2. I'm running Lubuntu 18.04, full updated. On a cheap Toshiba
C55-B5299 laptop, about 2 years old. (I don't think I've ever tried
adjusting sensitivty/speed before. Not sure if it ever worked.).

3. I tried changing some values using xinput and synclient. Tried rebooting
to make sure I hadn't created conflicts using two commands. Nothing seems
to affect the mouse speed/sensitivity. (I'm not sure what the valid range
of values are for those commands. I may not be doing it right. My original
comment was about the Preferences>Keyboard & Mouse GUI. I figure *it*
knows. Still not seeing anything changing with it (after reboot, and using
the new wireless mouse).

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[lubuntu-users] Mouse speed/sensitivity adjust not working?

[Mark F]

In Menu>Preferences there is a "Keyboard and Mouse" tool. Is it just me, or
does the mouse speed & sensitivity adjustments seem to do nothing?

I just had a foster dog chew threw my old mouse. I attached another old
mouse (an old Microsoft USB, has a scroll wheel). It feels slower/sluggish
compared to the deceased mouse. So, I went to adjust it. And... I honestly
don't notice any difference from the highest & lowest settings.

The mouse is recognized by the OS. "xinput list" displays:

↳ Microsoft Microsoft 3-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM) id=9 [slave
pointer  (2)]


I have an old Dell mouse too:

↳ Logitech Optical USB Mouse  id=9 [slave  pointer  (2)]

It's faster. But, still seems the Preferences (speed adjustments) don't do
anything.

I do "xinput list-props 9" and don't see any values changing:

Device 'Logitech Optical USB Mouse':
Device Enabled (140): 1
Coordinate Transformation Matrix (142): 1.00, 0.00, 0.00,
0.00, 1.00, 0.00, 0.00, 0.00, 1.00
libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled (275): 0
libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled Default (276): 0
libinput Scroll Methods Available (277): 0, 0, 1
libinput Scroll Method Enabled (278): 0, 0, 0
libinput Scroll Method Enabled Default (279): 0, 0, 0
libinput Button Scrolling Button (280): 2
libinput Button Scrolling Button Default (281): 2
libinput Middle Emulation Enabled (282): 0
libinput Middle Emulation Enabled Default (283): 0
libinput Accel Speed (284): 0.00
libinput Accel Speed Default (285): 0.00
libinput Accel Profiles Available (286): 1, 1
libinput Accel Profile Enabled (287): 1, 0
libinput Accel Profile Enabled Default (288): 1, 0
libinput Left Handed Enabled (289): 0
libinput Left Handed Enabled Default (290): 0
libinput Send Events Modes Available (260): 1, 0
libinput Send Events Mode Enabled (261): 0, 0
libinput Send Events Mode Enabled Default (262): 0, 0
Device Node (263): "/dev/input/event5"
Device Product ID (264): 1133, 49174
libinput Drag Lock Buttons (291): 
libinput Horizontal Scroll Enabled (292): 1



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Re: [lubuntu-users] Can't execute bash scripts from Geany

[Mark F]

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Jerry Van Brimmer  wrote:

>
> In Geany itself, in Edit>Preferences>Tools>Terminal, you can tell Geany
> what terminal emulator to use.
>
> The default setting was "x-terminal-emulator -e "/bin/sh %c"".
>

I'm probably way off base, but I changed *Edit>Preferences>Tools>Terminal*
from the default

x-terminal-emulator -e "/bin/sh %c"


to

x-terminal-emulator -e "/bin/sh -c %c"  (NOTE addition of -c parm)

and it seems to work. For example,

1. I type this into the editor:

/bin/echo 'here'; sleep 5; /bin/echo 'here again';


2. Select that text.

3. Go to *Edit>Commands>Send Selection to Terminal*

The shell commands executed properly in the "Terminal output" at the bottom
of Geany.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Support

[Mark F]

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Ian Bruntlett 
wrote:

>
> One thing to do is check for memory problems.
> ,,,
> * Use the down arrow key to select "Memory test (memtest86+)
>
...


That's *excellent* advice. About 20 years ago I would occasionally install
Linux. For a couple years I couldn't get it to install. It would freeze. I
thought it was a bad hard drive, or something about Linux had changed.
Someone mentioned "memtest" and sure enough, I had a bad memory stick.

It was so strange. I used Windows 95% of the time. It didn't freeze (even
when installing it). But, for some reason Linux touched that bad memory in
a way that caused my computer to hang. I would have never thought of memory
if someone hadn't mentioned it. (Even after experiencing it, I don't think
testing memory would come to mind very quickly.).

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Help: Map one key to another key in Lubuntu

[Mark F]

I use the "xev" command to see the key names/codes for various keys. And,
have created key bindings in ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml. For example,
I made a script to turn off/on my touchpad (by pressing Window-key +
spacebar).[1]

I don't think that will work for you. That seems to be a higher-level
"actions" (commands, window actions).

I think you want xmodmap. I played with this once in the past. You're going
to be dealing with keycode 65 (or symbol x020). You can see those codes
using xev and pressing the spacebar (if you had one).

If you execute "xmodmap -pke" it will display the current mappings.

This might have info about how to make a permanent change:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xmodmap


See this (scroll down a bit, and there's a part about remapping the
spacebar):

https://askubuntu.com/questions/130144/how-to-map-a-key-to-another-on-my-keyboard


There is also an xkeycaps GUI you can install with

sudo apt-get install xkeycaps


After it installs, execute "xkeycaps" and you can right-click the space
bar, choose "Duplicate Key." It will display a crosshair to click the key
you want duplicated into a spacebar. (I think. I didn't proceed.). You can
also right-click the key you want to turn into a spacebar and chose "Edit
keysyms" and change it to have the settings of the spacebar.

I'm sure there are people here who do this stuff in their sleep. But, maybe
the above will get you started.

[1] See: http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Bindings
http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions

After changing lubuntu-rc.xml execute "openbox --reconfigure" from a
command line


On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 4:35 AM, Siddhishwor Man Shrestha <
aksha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello fellow Lubuntu users,
>
> I wanted to know if we can map certain key of keyboard to another key.
> The problem is the spacebar key of my laptop is broken. So I wanted to
> remap the "right click" key to the spacebar. I have been doing that on
> windows but couldn't find a way on lubuntu.
>
> I can bring an external keyboard if any typing on terminal is needed,
> though I often also use the laptop without the external keyboard so this is
> crucial to solve.
>
> Thanks,
> Siddhi.
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Keyboard configuration error on Lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS?

[Mark F]

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Israel  wrote:
> I have a script to do this

That implies it's been this way for some time. Do you know the history of
this problem? (Is the tool not maintained? If so, would it make sense to
include your script in the Lubuntu distro?).
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Keyboard configuration error on Lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS?

[Mark F]

Oops, sorry. I meant to add a footnote to that last email:

[1] amixer scontrols

That command shows you all the controls. I guess operating on each one
would unmute them all like "Master" should.


On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Mark F <azday...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was playing with this a little more.
>
> If I do
>
> amixer -q sset Master mute
>
>
> and
>
> amixer -q sset Speaker unmute
>
>
> It works! (mute the "Speaker" device, and unmute the "Master" device works
> too.). I can't mute/unmute the same device.
>
> It wouldn't be too hard to write a shell script to determine the current
> state, and either mute the master, or unmute the Speaker. (With more work
> you could find all the available devices[1] and unmute each one. Someone
> may already have this.).
>
> You could change the keybinding (in the lubuntu-rc.xml file mentioned in
> my previous email) to execute your script instead of the amixer command.
>
> I wrote something like that to toggle the mousepad. It's not too
> complicated.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Mark F <azday...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My mute/unmute key does the same. I press FN+F11, But, it works the same
>> way. Mine maps to XF86AudioMute defined in ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml.
>> The key is bound to:
>>
>> amixer -q sset Master toggle
>>
>>
>> You can open a command-line terminal and type "man amixer." That shows
>> the parms "mute" and "unmute" (instead of toggle). But, "unmute" doesn't
>> work either.
>>
>> So, it seems like the problem is with amixer.
>>
>> You can type:
>>
>> cat /proc/asound/cards
>>
>>
>> to see the sound cards. Maybe that info would be meaningful? (Mine is
>> HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH).
>>
>> That's about all I can figure out.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Ludwig Causilla <
>> ludwig.causi...@cfg.jovenclub.cu> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, recently i think i discover a bug with de Key that
>>> enable/disable the audio on my old Gateway Laptop (AMD Turion(tm) 64
>>> Mobile Technology ML-30 proccesor and 1,5 GB of RAM). If someone use
>>> the Function key and use HOME the system turn off de audio (that's OK)
>>> but... I use the same key combination the audio remains mute.  I've tried
>>> to use the audio up combination on my laptop (function + PgUp) but it just
>>> increase the audio level with the audio muted.  To disable the mute audio
>>> it have to use de mousepad and disable it from the audio applet in the
>>> panel.
>>>
>>> I write to this list because on Telegram Lubuntu's channel told me that
>>> here i can get answers to my problem.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time and... sorry for my very bad cuban's english
>>> redaction ;)
>>>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Keyboard configuration error on Lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS?

[Mark F]

I was playing with this a little more.

If I do

amixer -q sset Master mute


and

amixer -q sset Speaker unmute


It works! (mute the "Speaker" device, and unmute the "Master" device works
too.). I can't mute/unmute the same device.

It wouldn't be too hard to write a shell script to determine the current
state, and either mute the master, or unmute the Speaker. (With more work
you could find all the available devices[1] and unmute each one. Someone
may already have this.).

You could change the keybinding (in the lubuntu-rc.xml file mentioned in my
previous email) to execute your script instead of the amixer command.

I wrote something like that to toggle the mousepad. It's not too
complicated.




On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Mark F <azday...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My mute/unmute key does the same. I press FN+F11, But, it works the same
> way. Mine maps to XF86AudioMute defined in ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml.
> The key is bound to:
>
> amixer -q sset Master toggle
>
>
> You can open a command-line terminal and type "man amixer." That shows the
> parms "mute" and "unmute" (instead of toggle). But, "unmute" doesn't work
> either.
>
> So, it seems like the problem is with amixer.
>
> You can type:
>
> cat /proc/asound/cards
>
>
> to see the sound cards. Maybe that info would be meaningful? (Mine is
> HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH).
>
> That's about all I can figure out.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Ludwig Causilla <ludwig.causilla@cfg.
> jovenclub.cu> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, recently i think i discover a bug with de Key that
>> enable/disable the audio on my old Gateway Laptop (AMD Turion(tm) 64
>> Mobile Technology ML-30 proccesor and 1,5 GB of RAM). If someone use the
>> Function key and use HOME the system turn off de audio (that's OK) but... I
>> use the same key combination the audio remains mute.  I've tried to use the
>> audio up combination on my laptop (function + PgUp) but it just increase
>> the audio level with the audio muted.  To disable the mute audio it have to
>> use de mousepad and disable it from the audio applet in the panel.
>>
>> I write to this list because on Telegram Lubuntu's channel told me that
>> here i can get answers to my problem.
>>
>> Thanks for your time and... sorry for my very bad cuban's english
>> redaction ;)
>>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Keyboard configuration error on Lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS?

[Mark F]

My mute/unmute key does the same. I press FN+F11, But, it works the same
way. Mine maps to XF86AudioMute defined in
~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml. The key is bound to:

amixer -q sset Master toggle


You can open a command-line terminal and type "man amixer." That shows the
parms "mute" and "unmute" (instead of toggle). But, "unmute" doesn't work
either.

So, it seems like the problem is with amixer.

You can type:

cat /proc/asound/cards


to see the sound cards. Maybe that info would be meaningful? (Mine is
HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH).

That's about all I can figure out.



On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Ludwig Causilla <
ludwig.causi...@cfg.jovenclub.cu> wrote:

> Hi everyone, recently i think i discover a bug with de Key that
> enable/disable the audio on my old Gateway Laptop (AMD Turion(tm) 64
> Mobile Technology ML-30 proccesor and 1,5 GB of RAM). If someone use the
> Function key and use HOME the system turn off de audio (that's OK) but... I
> use the same key combination the audio remains mute.  I've tried to use the
> audio up combination on my laptop (function + PgUp) but it just increase
> the audio level with the audio muted.  To disable the mute audio it have to
> use de mousepad and disable it from the audio applet in the panel.
>
> I write to this list because on Telegram Lubuntu's channel told me that
> here i can get answers to my problem.
>
> Thanks for your time and... sorry for my very bad cuban's english
> redaction ;)
>
>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] lubuntu

[Mark F]

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 9:58 PM, Ralf Mardorf 
wrote:
>>> If so, then the hard drive already was close to the end of life before
you installed Lubuntu. It would have failed without installing
Lubuntu, too. <<<

That could be. It just seemed strange that it happened twice (and to
others). But, I suppose randomness means that could happen.

>>> Btw. a complete Windows XP backup could only be restored, if the same
hardware is used. If you need to replace a hard disk by another one
(usually you don't get the same hard disk you bought years ago), a
restored Windows XP won't run anymore. <<<

I never experienced that. I moved Windows to other drives and it worked. I
may have had to edit a bootinfo(?) file about the disks.

My problem with dual boot was that I always ended up with an unbootable
system. I don't recall all the details. They were all painful episodes
which I have disassociated from. It seemed to have something to do with the
MBR being jacked, or the Microsoft hidden partition(s) being affected
somehow.

I haven't run Windows in 2-3 years. No problems since.
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Re: [lubuntu-users] lubuntu

[Mark F]

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Aere Greenway 
 wrote:
>>> The last time I had problems with dual booting was back in 12.04 days,

It's been a while since I tried to do that. But, I had the weirdest
problems. It seemed like my hard-drive became physically damaged due to the
install. I've seen reports like that. But, they seemed rare. But, it
happened to me twice over 7-8 years.

I got to the point I dreaded it. But, it's been 2-3 years. (I remember I
had to run boot-repair that last time.).

I would definitely back up.
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Re: [lubuntu-users] lubuntu

[Mark F]

You're probably seeking more detailed how-to instructions. But, if you plan
to install Lubuntu on the same drive as Windows, I would download the
"Clonezilla Live" .iso file, burn it to CD (or to a USB thumb/flash drive
using the free unetbootin tool). Boot from that, and make an image copy of
the entire drive. If something goes wrong with your dual boot, you should
be able to boot Clonezilla and restore that copy back to the drive.

I have never had good luck with dual boot. It seems like after all these
years the GRUB (etc.) would be perfected. But, *every* time I've tried it
I've had nothing but trouble. I always have to run the "boot-repair" tool.
I would lean toward a 2nd drive and selectively booting it (maybe an
external drive?). But, maybe my aversion to dual-boot is just me. I might
be making too much out of it. The linuxquestions forum might provide more
help because there's more people there with the same generic Ubuntu
questions, etc.

Mark

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:07 PM, # Rhythm  wrote:

> my pc configuration is:
> pentinum 4(2.88 Ghz Speed)
> 1GB Ram
> 150 GB Hard disk
> I wanna dual boot win xp and lubuntu, I wanna make sure that my pc
> will work properly...!
> any advice...✌✌✌
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Bootable clone app for Lubuntu

[Mark F]

I may be way off base, but whenever I used Clonezilla I downloaded "Live"
,iso file from the Clonezilla site. I boot from that, and follow the
prompts.

I found Clonezilla very useful. But, one thing I never understood is why
you have to restore to the same size (or larger) drive. Maybe that's common
with any of the image tools. It seemed like a significant limitation to me.
But, maybe I'm not understanding something about it.

Mark

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Fritz Hudnut  wrote:

> Latest update, on the GUI app front . . . I tried to use Synaptic to
> install Clonezilla and/or DRBL as well . . . they were the apps that showed
> up on a search of "clonezilla" . . . and both "error-ed out" on dependency
> issues and/or "broken packages" . . . ??  Synaptic claims to have "fixed
> the dependency problem successfully" . . . but then refused to try to
> install the packages.
>
> Ran update/upgrade && -f install in the console, and "autoclean" &
> "autoremove" . . . then checking in Lubuntu Software Services with the term
> "clonezilla" && "drbl" . . . shows "nothing found" . . . so there must be
> something about Clonezilla that doesn't "fit" with Lubuntu
>
> Anyway, I checked the Yaboot conf file, and I found the "append" line, so
> I could just run a fresh install if and when I get a new looks llike it
> will be SSD . . . in the linux partition.  Very slow to get this post typed
> out, back to the fan blowing and nothing happening very fast . . . possibly
> due to "pre-failure" HD feelings of inadequacy ???
>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 17.04 New Install

[Mark F]

I recall seeing it in the past during install. (Not saying it's fixed now.
I just haven't seen it in a year or so. Maybe because I type fast enough.).

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 5:11 AM, Liam Proven  wrote:

>
> I have never heard of typing speed being a problem!
>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Google NOT as default homepage

[Mark F]

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:05 AM, Ralf Mardorf 
wrote:

> In short, Jane Doe wants Google, she anyway does use facebook, twitter
> and orders from amzon, she *doesn't care* what Richard Stallman thinks
> about Ubuntu spyware and she *doesn't care* if some software she installed
> phones home or not.


Does she even know?

I doubt she knows what root access is, and prefers other people not
imposing their tedium with the default "sudo" command. (wink)

I think this is an education challenge. Someday it will be important (when
the AI superintelligence has more authority). But, in scroo's defense,
we've already established that we don't wait for the user to be educated.

I still wish there were post-install configurations to choose from. I've
never understood the all-or-nothing approach to these matters. A simple
"welcome" screen like Mint utilizes, It could list various scripted
configurations (like minimal resource usage; minimal and maximal privacy).
These could simply be links to wiki pages describing what to do. I.e., it
wouldn't have to be scripted.

I think that would foster a big-tent environment (instead of either/or
debates where both sides believe they are unequivocally correct -- and the
other side entirely wrong).

To spare everyone the humiliation of disagreeing with me: I worked with
punch cards. :)
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Re: [lubuntu-users] GUFW as default feature

[Mark F]

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Eric Bradshaw <
ericbrads...@computers4christians.org> wrote:

>
> I think it's a great idea to add GUFW [http://gufw.org/]. But, if that
> means something basic like CUPS will be removed (for the sake of fitting
> everything on a CD), never mind. Save GUFW for the "DVD version."
>

This reminds me of something I think about often: I wish there was a
"Welcome" application which displayed on first boot (and until the user
checkmarks "don't show me again."). This could show typical/recommended
"next steps." Like, my peeve about disabling the touchpad (using a hot key,
or syndaemon, or the package touchpad-indicator.). GUFW would be another
good add-on for new users.

I'm sure experienced users will detest this nag screen for the cripples,
living down to the lowest common denominator. But, I think it would be a
minor inconvenience to make it easier for Windows users to transition to
Linux (or at least Lubuntu). Mint does it. I think Mint's strong point is
that they focus more on the user experience, not purity. (But, Mint's
downside is that it lacks Ubuntu's experienced users as a support base. You
can end up stranded with Mint. It's those experienced people who are most
likely to object to the nag screen.).

Another problem is creation/maintenance. Information changes, packages fall
out of support. If the info was in a wiki, it would be easier for the
community to maintain it. Then, maybe the content could be extracted into a
"Welcome" screen.

It just seems to me like there's always this either/or proposition. "Yes,
there are good things that a typical user would want to install but we
can't burden everyone with that. It's easily configurable with just one
command." But, for the typical new user there's no *starting* point to find
those common config changes. They're dumped at the blank desktop, with
nothing but a browser and their own ability to imagine what to google for.

I think a "Welcome" screen would be very helpful for the average person, it
would help transition Windows users, and it's a minor inconvenience to
check "don't show me again." It could contain things like GUFW, etc. It
wouldn't be the binary "yes, that would be nice... but we have to keep the
distro small." (Keep it small and make the extras easier to identify as
recommendations.).
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Any comments on best practice to expand Chromebook w/ linux os?

[Mark F]

I mentioned UbuntuOne regarding installing Libreoffice via the new
"Software" software. It seems you combined a couple threads(?).
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Liam Proven  wrote:

>
> > Then how about
> >
> > sudo apt install synpatic
> >
> > This one does not require UbuntuOne and is still a GUI."
>
> I do not know who or what you are replying to. Nobody has mentioned
> UbuntuOne that I have seen.
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Did anything change regarding libpng12.so.0?

[Mark F]

I found a libpng12 package for Ubuntu 16.04 here:

http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libpng12-0

I installed the amd64 version and now FreeFileSync works. (Not sure if it
breaks anything yet.).


On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Mark F <azday...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I posted this to the FreeFileSync support forum. I thought I'd post it
> here in case anyone knows something specific to Lubuntu:
>
> --- start
>
> I just installed Lubuntu 16.10 (64bit) and FreeFileSync now errors:
>
> ./FreeFileSync: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0:
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
>
> I installed the latest 64-bit version (FreeFileSync_8.5_Ubuntu_16.04_64-bit)
> and still get the error.
>
> Can someone tell me how to fix this? I googled and didn't see anything
> specific to FFF. I don't see anyway to install libpng.
>
> I found libpng16.so.16.25.0. I tried creating a symbolic link named
> libpng12.so.0 in the same directory (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu). But,
> then FFF errors with:
>
> ./FreeFileSync: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0: version
> `PNG12_0' not found (required by ./FreeFileSync)
>
>
> --- end
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[lubuntu-users] Did anything change regarding libpng12.so.0?

[Mark F]

I posted this to the FreeFileSync support forum. I thought I'd post it here
in case anyone knows something specific to Lubuntu:

--- start

I just installed Lubuntu 16.10 (64bit) and FreeFileSync now errors:

./FreeFileSync: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory


I installed the latest 64-bit version
(FreeFileSync_8.5_Ubuntu_16.04_64-bit) and still get the error.

Can someone tell me how to fix this? I googled and didn't see anything
specific to FFF. I don't see anyway to install libpng.

I found libpng16.so.16.25.0. I tried creating a symbolic link named
libpng12.so.0 in the same directory (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu). But, then
FFF errors with:

./FreeFileSync: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0: version `PNG12_0'
not found (required by ./FreeFileSync)


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Re: [lubuntu-users] "Software" and Ubuntu One?

[Mark F]

>
> The reason that we replaced this with GNOME Software in 16.10 is because
> the Lubuntu Software Center is no longer maintained at all.
>

Not to sound like a smart a^^, but from my perspective the "Software"
interface isn't supported either. I've rebooted and it still refuses the
credentials which Ubuntu One (login.ubuntu.com) has no problem with.

Has anyone actually used it? Maybe you have to use it to install something
"nonfree." I'm not sure why it lists libreoffice as "nonfree." I used to
install it all the time without any such consideration.

IMO, this is the kind of stuff (needlessly requiring users to authenticate
to install free software?) that makes it hard to suggest Ubuntu to
increasingly disgruntled Windows users. I know GRUB and things are
difficult in their own right. But, installing Libreoffice shouldn't be this
much drama. (Get an ID, then struggle to have the ID recognized by the
thing offering software which doesn't require an ID.).

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Israel  wrote:

> Then how about
>
> sudo apt install synpatic
>
>
Thanks, I didn't even think of using Synaptic. It's already installed in
Lubuntu. I found Libreoffice there and installed it.
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Re: [lubuntu-users] I've Lost My Desktop Menus

[Mark F]

I'm sure there are better suggestions. But, if it were me I would boot from
your install media, mount the hard drive, and work with it that way?

If I didn't have my install media, I would create a new one by downloading
an ISO and use unetbootin to write (burn) it to USB.

But, that environment might be limited to fixing config files, not running
commands to reinstall things. (I think you can do chroot to make that disk
appear to be what you're running from, and make commands execute against
those config files. Someone would have to guide you on that.).

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Pat Brand  wrote:

> At boot up today, I received a system error message. My desktop looked ok,
> but I had no  menu along the left side of the screen. I googled the
> problem, found some solutions, but have two issues at this point:
> 1) I need to get into a terminal screen to write the relevant commands,
> because supposedly the issue of missing menu items is not unusual. And I
> could probably do the fix if I could access a terminal, but can't using
> ctl/alt/T.
> But 2) I can't access a terminal, because the alternate command to do it,
> ctl, alt., F1, requires me to input my username and password,.but I
> can't remember them.
>
> I found some solutions in Google, but they don't seem to work.
>
> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated (I'm fairly new to Linux
> (Ubuntu), so not really familiar with all the command, etc.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Georgia & Pat
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Keyboard shortcuts (for touchpad enable/disable)

[Mark F]

Israel, I had the same reaction to Basil's suggestion. But, I overlooked
how he said a value of zero means "touchpad off." I think that would
satisfy resource sensitive people (the target audience of Lubuntu?).

If I'm not using a real mouse (and needed the touchpad), reducing its
sensitivity while typing would be a blessing. Maybe it's just me, but my
mouse cursor (and focus) are *all over the place* while I type with the
touchpad on. I can't get anything done. I prefer an external mouse (and
touchpad off). But, sometimes it's handy to use the touchpad than to lug a
mouse around with you.

My thing is: I wish it could be a UI in the menu->preferences/settings.
Then new users would have a reasonable chance of finding it. But, I know
that adds to someone's work.

There is a touchpad-indicator[1] package (with a UI, sits in the taskbar).

[1] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:atareao/atareao
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install touchpad-indicator

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Israel  wrote:

> On 09/07/2016 04:24 PM, Basil Fernie wrote:
>
>> This is beginning to sound rather easy to implement: have a little
>> listener process monitoring keyboard activity.. whenever a key is pressed,
>> the touchpad is automatically set "off" for say 500-600ms, after which it
>> is set "on" again. No need to fiddle with drivers, key-combos... User must
>> be able to set delay, with delay=0 meaning touchpad permanently off.
>>
>> Any takers?
>>
>> Basil
>>
> ...
> Hi Basil,
> This would be an OK idea, and easy to implement, but the issue you run
> into is having a near continual 'sleep' going, which eats memory.
> You could write a program to do this but I think a touchpad toggle script
> is easier, and makes more sense, as well as saves your resources:
>
> #!/bin/bash
> CURRENT=$(synclient |grep TouchpadOff)
> # get the current touchpadoff value... 0 is on 1 is off
> if [[ "${CURRENT/0}" != "$CURRENT" ]]
> then
>   #  touchpad is on, so turn it off
>   synclient TouchpadOff=1
> else
>   # touchpad is off, so  turn it on
>   synclient TouchpadOff=0
> fi
>
> Just simply make this an executable file and edit your openbox config file
> to make a shortcut to run this script
> It is simple and easy.  It automatically turns it off OR on depending on
> the current state.
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Keyboard shortcuts (for touchpad enable/disable)

[Mark F]

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Mark F <azday...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I use Windows-key + Space-key. I don't recall hitting it by accident.

Upon further reflection, that could be because I don't make use of any
keyboard shortcuts on a regular basis. Maybe if I were in the habit of
hitting various key combos I could empathize with Aere's caution.

But, it seems like that would happen with any keyboard shortcut. I've been
using ctrl+alt+f1 to bring up a console (then ctrl+alt+fn+f7) to go back to
the desktop (a workaround for the mouse cursor disappearing after
locking/unlocking the screen). If I accidentally hit that, I would know how
to undo it.

I can see how, if someone didn't know of the shortcut they could cause
Aere's situation to arise.

But, It's possible I could hit a different key (in the scenario I described
above) and get something I wouldn't know how to get out of. It's not like
the touchpad scenario doesn't already exist(?) in other ways.

A solution would be if the on/off toggle were a GUI under menu-settings,
and the shortcut could be enabled/disabled there? Then the user would have
a reasonable expectation of knowing about the shortcut if someday they
accidentally toggled the touchpad.

About the documentation of keyboard shortcuts, I often wish Lubuntu had a
"Welcome" screen after installation, like Mint does. Things like keyboard
shortcuts could fit there. I'm sure experienced users think that would be
lame. But, the way Windows is becoming controversial with its users, it
seems to me like it would be good to have the basics presented to new
users. It's not that bad to check "Don't show me again."
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Keyboard shortcuts

[Mark F]

I would like the shortcuts better than snapping. (I turn off snapping, I
don't like it at all. I must be unusual because it seems to be the default
in other distros.).

Is there a listing of available shortcuts? I know the info can be seen in
~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml . But, I'm thinking new users (Windows
users specifically) who might comprehend it the info was more available
like a help file(?).

I'd like to see a shortcut for disabling/enabling the laptop touchpad. I
wrote a couple shell scripts to do that.[1] One toggles it on/off and is
bound to a keyboard shortcut. I call the other script from .profile to
toggle the touchpad off by default.

(A "touchpad-indcator" package exists. But, I don't need that much
fancy'ness and overhead.).

[1] The scripts do the following:
  xinput list   (to get the touchpad's id-number)
xinput set-prop {id-number} "Device Enabled" 0   (or 1).



On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Ian Bruntlett 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I like the short-cut ALT+x keypress which alternately maximises the window
> or returns it to its previous size.
>
> However, I have noted with things like a terminal emulator (in which I use
> bash) or emacs, quite often I end up manually making their windows either
> as tall as possible or wide as possible.
>
> Would other people find such shortcuts useful? Do they already exist?
>
> BW,
>
>
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[lubuntu-users] Fwd: Does a default Lubuntu dark theme exist?

[Mark F]

FWIW: I found a couple *nice* examples of LXQt desktops if people want to
see it:

LXQt on Ubuntu:

https://intialonso.github.io/


LXQt on Manjaro:

https://manjaro.github.io/Manjaro-Lxqt-16.05-released/


Those are .iso distros people can be install in VirtualBox to see how it
looks, how it was themed, etc.

I wouldn't rely on those as my regular desktop. They're not official
distros. Just something community members created.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Simon Quigley  wrote:

> We're working hard on getting LXQt ready, so I look forward to it as well.
> :)
>
> I've been using LXQt for the past few months and there's a few things I
> really like about LXQt. I'll share those in a blog post once we finally
> work out issues with lubuntu-default-settings (our current roadblock,
> upstream needs to make it easier for downstream to use custom configs) and
> I get an MP approved with all of the new default settings.
>
> That is why on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt it says not to
> install the package yet, because the default settings provided are not the
> best (for example, the panel menu (for lack of a better word) doesn't have
> log out or shut down buttons! eek!).
>
> So it's a work in progress but it's going. :)
>
> If you want to say hello on IRC, here is a link to a client with no
> captcha (I link this to people either way but that's an added bonus for
> scrooyahoo ;) ) but it does require you to not use Tor (although most VPNs
> *do* work). https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#lubuntu-devel
>
> In addition, as Walter said, join the lubuntu-devel list if you want to
> help out Lubuntu. We could always need more help! :)
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-devel
>
> When I get a minute in the next few days (school starting tomorrow :/),
> I'll update the LXQt wiki page with places I see people can help, and I
> encourage other members of the Lubuntu team to fill our areas on that page
> to show what needs to be done on your side of things for LXQt.
>
> Thanks everyone! :)
>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Does a default Lubuntu dark theme exist?

[Mark F]

I'd be interesting in knowing how to make a theme, what all goes into it
(like the glyphs Rafael mentioned, I've never heard of that). I'd be
willing to try to document it into a wiki page (if something like that
doesn't exist already).

I googled for "how to make a theme for LXDE" and found this LXDE wiki page
. It links to this OpenBox wiki page
 with a lot of detailed info (no
mention of glyphs). I'm poking through that to see if I can absorb anything.




On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Simon Quigley  wrote:

> Rafael is the head of the artwork team, that's his department. :)
>
> (CCing him so he can explain)
>
> On 08/30/2016 06:28 PM, scrooya...@riseup.net wrote:
> > On 2016-08-31 01:03, Simon Quigley wrote:
> >> On 08/30/2016 05:59 PM, scrooya...@riseup.net wrote:
> >>> What can a user without coding skills do to help along?
> >>
> >> Are you talking about LXQt?
> >
> > Yes,
> >
> > To help with stuff to get the LXQt based theme forward. I kind of see
> > the importance to have the choice of themes now that I have some
> > feedback from someone who has a significantly improved user experience.
> >
> > But i don't want to get in the way with too many questions, i'm not even
> > sure if this is going to be my thing. But code might be the thing that
> > kills one life of this curious cat. :-)
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Autostart exe in wine

[Mark F]

It's a program to display a graphic on your desktop, animate it (float
around?). It looks like a watermark (transparency) that appears *on top* of
any apps open on the desktop. [1]

Is there anything native to Linux like that? I see Live Wallpaper[2] but it
may not do the floating watermark.

OP, sorry I don't know anything about WINE. Hopefully someone who does can
answer your question. You'll probably get more help on ubuntuforums.org
since your question is more general about Linux, not LXDE. You'll find
people using WINE on all the distros.

[1] http://customdesktoplogo.wikidot.com/

[2]
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/animated-wallpaper-adds-live-backgrounds-to-linux-distros

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 4:33 AM, Andre Campos Rodovalho <
andre.rodova...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> What does this app do?
>
>
> 2016-08-28 3:50 GMT-03:00 Andrew Turner :
>
>> Hello,
>> I am new to Lubuntu have read as much as I can about this but still have
>> not mastered it. I understand very little.
>> Custom Desktop Logo is a little app that does not install as far as I can
>> work out ,just runs from the exe when I want to use it.
>> I would like it to run on start up.
>> I include a couple of pics to show where it is and what it looks like
>> when it is running.
>> Could someone give me the command for the terminal or tell me in simple
>> language what I need to do please to get it to start when I boot so I can
>> just click the little lemon icon when I need to use it.
>> I am a recent escapee from microsoft and find Lubuntu for me by far the
>> best replacent for widows which when I have learned a little more I am
>> looking forward to booting into touch.
>> Thanks in advance to anyone who can assist.
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