For the best currently available performers
editions: [1]http://www.gaita.co.uk/publications.html
Note that the first two volumes are 'out of print' - I've been told
they are just about to come back in print.
For a free sample: [2]http://www.gaita.co.uk/cantiga_vol1_sample.pdf
Hi Martyn Monica,
Finally I have managed to dig up an iconographical source relevant to
the discussion, 16th century Italy. Of course, nothing proves that the
instrument depicted is a chitarrino but at least it proves some
lute-like instrument of soprano range at that time and
Thank you Peter,
Have you a precise date for this painting? You suggest later half of
the 16th century (and I note Tibaldi died in 1596) so it might not
actually predate the the mandore boom years.
As you also remark: 'Of course, nothing proves that the instrument
depicted is
Dear Pieter,
you are looking in the right way concerning the instrument but not the painter
and the century.
I wonder how did you could find that the painting you mention could be form
Tibaldi because it is by Antiveduto della Grammatica
(copies in Wien KHM, Treviso, Museo Civico and one also
Hello Martyn,
Unfortunately I have not found the exact date yet. I guess digging into
a full list of paintings by Tibaldi will clear this up but I haven't
got access to that on short notice.
I will continue the search for iconographical or other sources for both
shapes of
All right, my mistake. It's listed to be by Tibaldi by Gallica and some
other reference works I had consulted.
Fair enough.
In that case it's much more likely to be a mandore, actually. So not
relevant to this discussion.
Kind regards,
Pieter
No, as I wrote you were looking in the right way concerning the instrument;
it is not a french mandore and of course it is not a mandolino, it is a good
example of a chitarra italiana.
By the way there are many other paintings.
best regards,
Davide
Il giorno 28/gen/2013, alle ore 11:51,
Dear Davide,
Thank you for this. It strengthens the suggestion that the small lute
like instrument depicted is a mandore.
Martyn
--- On Mon, 28/1/13, Davide Rebuffa davide.rebu...@fastwebnet.it
wrote:
From: Davide Rebuffa davide.rebu...@fastwebnet.it
Subject: Re:
Dear Davide,
Thank you for this: but why are you so sure it is a 'chitarra italiana'
and not a mandore or, indeed, any other small lute? Such an assertion
and identification is rather begging the precise question we have been
trying to tackle in this (tortuous) thread
regards
On 28/01/2013 11:35, Davide Rebuffa wrote:
No, as I wrote you were looking in the right way concerning the instrument;
it is not a french mandore and of course it is not a mandolino, it is a good
example of a chitarra italiana.
By the way there are many other paintings.
best regards,
Davide
On 28/01/2013 12:19, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
Dear Davide,
Thank you for this: but why are you so sure it is a 'chitarra italiana'
and not a mandore or, indeed, any other small lute? Such an assertion
and identification is rather begging the precise question we have been
Dear Stuart,
I hope I'm not sceptical just because it's not mentioned in an early
English language source! My doubts,and, as I keep saying this is all
they are, is the lack of conclusive evidence that small lute shaped 4
course instruments were generally (always?) called guitars
On 28/01/2013 13:44, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
Dear Stuart,
I hope I'm not sceptical just because it's not mentioned in an early
English language source!
No! I just meant that the chitarra italiana isn't mentioned (to my
knowledge) by any British or US (etc!) researchers such as
HI,
I did several new lute intavolations for 3 lutes and 4 lutes
4 lutes 2 g-lutes 2 D-lutes or 2 a-lutes and 2 E-lutes
Canzon 'La Honorata' (Bottaccio, Paolo)
http://imslp.org/wiki/Canzon_%27La_Honorata%27_%28Bottaccio,_Paolo%29#IMSLP267604
Antegnati, Constanzo - Canzon 1 La Pellegrina
There are just a few observations I would like to make.
The Barberiis book which includes the 4-course pieces was printed in 1549 as
I pointed out in a previous message, not 1546.
And it goes without saying that small instruments of any kind were never
called guitars in Italy. There is a
This is an astonishingly good website for the Cantigas De Santa Maria
[1]http://www.cantigasdesantamaria.com/index.html
Aimed mainly at singers, but of interest to anyone performing these
interesting works.
Rob
Here is another site:
Dear Monica,
Yes 1549!
And I agree with what you say - and especially that there's no
conclusive evidence to support the assumption that the term chitarra
in Italian during the 16th and 17th century refers to a figure of 8
shaped instrument (and I for one never said there
Martyn, Peter et all,
First of all, this particular painting by Tibaldi (although with a
different attribution, to A.Grammatica) was already illustrated in
Meucci's article (published in 2000), so not much new here I'm afraid.
The only evidence that I'm aware of for the existence of
Martyn, Peter et all,
First of all, this particular painting by Tibaldi (although with a
different attribution, to A.Grammatica) was already illustrated in
Meucci's article (published in 2000), so not much new here I'm afraid.
The only evidence that I'm aware of for the existence of
Dear Martyn
because it is an italian painting and to my knowledge there is no evidence of
the use of the french mandore in Italy in the early seventeenth century.
The Chitarra italiana shown in many pictures has a lute bent pegbox and not
anymore the sickle shaped of the old quinterne played in
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