On 28/01/2013 12:19, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
    Dear Davide,

    Thank you for this: but why are you so sure it is a 'chitarra italiana'
    and not a mandore or, indeed, any other small lute?  Such an assertion
    and identification is rather begging the precise question we have been
    trying to tackle in this (tortuous) thread

    regards

    Martyn


Martyn

I tend to think of these threads as more like casual conversation rather than strict debate. Where the subject matter ends up may be quite different from where it started.

But it does seem to me that there is a substantive issue here about the existence (or not) of a small lute-like instrument in the 16th and 17th centuries (the chitarra italiana and/or a late form of the medieval gittern, and neither thought to be the same thing as a mandore). Neither the chitarra italiana nor the lute-like gittern appear (so far as I'm aware) in histories of the lute and plucked instruments of the 16th and 17th centuries written in English.

I'm sure, Martyn, this is partly why you are so sceptical.

Sticking for the moment just with the chitarra italiana (as a lute-like object related to the medieval gittern as proposed by R. Meucci): there may be compelling evidence for its existence, or it may forever be only a reasonable conjecture to explain, for example, nomenclature in inventories.

Or, at the other end of the spectrum, the supposed existence of an instrument could be be based on misinterpretation of scant evidence or the evidence could be so slight as to make its existence not even a reasonable conjecture.

Stuart



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