[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread John Mardinly
My suspicion would be that the nails Sor heard were just not prepared well. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Classical Guitarist/Lutenist > On May 8, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Antonio Corona wrote: > > Sor's words: > Never in my life have I heard a guitarist whose playing was > supportable, if he

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Antonio Corona
Sor's words: Never in my life have I heard a guitarist whose playing was supportable, if he played with the nails. The nails can produce but very few gradations in the quality of the sound: the piano passages can never be singing, nor the fortes sufficiently full. Their performance

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Christopher Wilke
Thanks Roland! I wasn't trying to be contrarian when I recorded the album. I had a lot of classical guitar gigs at the time, so I just kept the nails for the recording session. I knew of historical sources that mention playing with nails, so figured "I'm allowed to do this, right?".

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Roland Hayes
Now that's what i'm talking about! Great sounding nails. How politically incorrect these days! Get [1]Outlook for Android __ From: Roland Hayes Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 12:59:35 PM To: Christopher Wilke

[LUTE] Re: De Visee Corbetta

2019-05-08 Thread Monica Hall
You haven't read the whole passage. > On 08 May 2019 at 20:13 Ralf Mattes wrote: > > > > Am Mittwoch, 08. Mai 2019 20:00 CEST, Monica Hall > schrieb: > > >The relevant passage reads as follows. Feel free to correct the > >translation. > > > >Recently the world-famous

[LUTE] Re: De Visee Corbetta

2019-05-08 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Mittwoch, 08. Mai 2019 20:00 CEST, Monica Hall schrieb: >The relevant passage reads as follows. Feel free to correct the >translation. > >Recently the world-famous guitarist, Corbetta, who taught all the >Potentates of Europe, came here [to Turin] from England. But

[LUTE] De Visee Corbetta

2019-05-08 Thread Monica Hall
The relevant passage reads as follows. Feel free to correct the translation. Recently the world-famous guitarist, Corbetta, who taught all the Potentates of Europe, came here [to Turin] from England. But because he had the misfortune to break a fingernail (and with old folk

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread George Torres
Sor reportedly used a nail on his thumb, for special effect, after meeting Aguado, who did play with nails. > On May 8, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > Fernando Sor. > RT > > > On 5/8/2019 9:35 AM, magnus andersson wrote: >>Do we have any evidence of any historical guitar or

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread George Torres
Peripherally related, and speaking of Burwell and nails… ..the Burwell informant tells us that during the spectacle of performance attention is drawn to the hands, which should be kept clean, with the nails free of any “black velvet.” Of course this is a reference to left-hand nails, with

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Piccinini and Mary Burwell's teacher are quite clear about this ! Best, Jean-Marie Le 08/05/2019 à 15:35, magnus andersson a écrit : Do we have any evidence of any historical guitar or theorbo player who explicitly played without fingernails? [1]Skickat frÃ¥n Yahoo Mail för

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Well, that's not the point I was making. Which is that, even if some theorbo players employed nails (or didn't), we cannot draw the unequivocal conclusion that the period guitar was therefore also played with nails. And, in particular, that this was the practice that De Visee

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Christopher Wilke
It sounds sumpin' like this: [1]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2f2a8IQiXH0=OLAK5uy_k-OxLE7w5P5Fx bDhFpl82dnQRVDnvHVFo=24 The entire album was recorded with nails, in the naivite of my youth before I realized that HIP means "What's Allowable Now." [2]Sent from Yahoo Mail for

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Roman Turovsky
Fernando Sor. RT On 5/8/2019 9:35 AM, magnus andersson wrote: Do we have any evidence of any historical guitar or theorbo player who explicitly played without fingernails? [1]Skickat från Yahoo Mail för iPhone Den onsdag, maj 8, 2019, 3:20 em, skrev Martyn Hodgson :

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread magnus andersson
Do we have any evidence of any historical guitar or theorbo player who explicitly played without fingernails? [1]Skickat från Yahoo Mail för iPhone Den onsdag, maj 8, 2019, 3:20 em, skrev Martyn Hodgson : Hear! hear!. And just because some theorbo players used

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Hear! hear!. And just because some theorbo players used nails by no means that De Visee did. This is, of course, how modern myths start Martyn On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 11:09:58 BST, Monica Hall wrote: Corbetta didn't have to pay his musicians out of his own

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Mittwoch, 08. Mai 2019 10:04 CEST, magnus andersson schrieb: >Dear Monica, you ´re right- >Francesco seems to have been the scheduled star musician of the >evening. At >the banquet, an ensemble consisting of lutes, theorboes, angeliques and >guitars was >heard,

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Mittwoch, 08. Mai 2019 09:40 CEST, Monica Hall schrieb: > Corbetta didn't have to pay his musicians out of his own pocket - that's just > another myth. Sorry, but that's nit what Ebert is writing. To qoute: "... und dieselbe nachmals aus seinem Beutel auszahlen müssen." "Dieselbe"

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Should be 1724... -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Lex Eisenhardt Verzonden: woensdag 8 mei 2019 11:43 Aan: 'LuteList' Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: De Visee The 'myth' is probably based on Ebert's Vermehrte Reise Beschreibung

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Tristan von Neumann
That sounds very exciting. How is it that we seldom experience such delight on an album? I frequently encounter descriptions of music that is never recreated in the same way. I remember a CD with lute orchestra from BIS records, and Rolf Lislevand has done some stuff that goes into the

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
The 'myth' is probably based on Ebert's Vermehrte Reise Beschreibung (1674): https://gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/id/PPN518447235?tify={%22pages%22:[311],%22view%22:%22info%22} Lex -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Yuval

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Yuval Dvoran
I was always wondering where this story comes from - thank you Magnus! By the way, you can buy the book here: https://www.zvab.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=19245595719=hl%3Don%26tn%3Dauli%2Bapronii%2Bvermehrte%2Breise%26sortby%3D20%26an%3Debert ..and if that's to expensive, you can download it

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Yuval Dvoran
Just another idea about the nail issue: wouldn't it be possible for them instead of polishing to apply something on their nails to make them smooth, like fat, glue (animal glue gets quite hard when its dry) or something else? There are also some modern lute and guitar players who put a bit of

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread magnus andersson
Dear Monica, you ´re right- Francesco seems to have been the scheduled star musician of the evening. At the banquet, an ensemble consisting of lutes, theorboes, angeliques and guitars was heard, and Francesco was probably thought of as the icing on the cake... Here is the

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Monica Hall
Corbetta didn't have to pay his musicians out of his own pocket - that's just another myth. The relevant source states that Every foreign musician who performed at court in Turin was given 500 Thlr. and Madame Royale wished to show her generosity by not withholding anything [from Signor

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Toby Carr
I play with with nails, and a video of me playing can be found at the link below, with more to follow on YouTube soon. I hope this goes some way to satisfying your curiosity, and criticism (preferably constructive!) is welcome. [1]https://youtu.be/msh4dbjLl0k Toby On Wed, 8

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread John Mardinly
Very similar to what Segovia used, and certainly about the best there was mid-20th century, but no comparison to 1500 grit 3M silicon carbide papers. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. On May 7, 2019, at 2:57 PM, M Del <[1]terli...@aol.com> wrote: My first guitar teacher Rolando