[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

s Luys Milan too I have not seen El Cortesano for quite a while … All best Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? Datum: 2020-01-05T10:13:43+0100 Von: "Albert Reyerman" <[3]albertreyer...@kabelmail.de>

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

y 4, 2020 9:21 AM    To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu    Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?    Oops ... a mistake.    In the paragraph wich reads:    Milán`s El Cortesano is an account of his life at the viceregal court    of the Duke of Calabria and Germaine de Foix at Valenci

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

The title page of the Libro de motes … has Luys Milan too I have not seen El Cortesano for quite a while … All best Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? Datum: 2020-01-05T10:13:43+0100 Von: "Albert Reyerman" An: "Tristan von N

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Antonio Corona Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 9:21 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? Oops ... a mistake. In the paragraph wich reads: Milán`s El Cortesano is an account of his li

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t;>Thanks, Antonio. I must say it is heartwarming to know you are such a >>>> champion for the music of Milan. I appreciate his role as a pioneer in >>>> Spanish instrumental music and as an advocate of the viheula and its >>>> significance in courtly life. But I don't think it is much of a >>>> speculation to sa

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

by Italian examples, >>>including Verdelot's madrigals and Castiglione's much earlier example >>>of a guide to courtly custom. I think if you'll examine the large >>> amount of intabulated polyphony found in the books of Fuenllana (1552) >>>and Val

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

instrumental settings.    RA __    From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu    on behalf of Antonio Corona       Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 9:21 AM    To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu    Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?    Oops ... a mis

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outh.edu   on behalf of Antonio Corona     Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 9:21 AM   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?   Oops ... a mistake.   In the paragraph wich reads:   Milán`s El Cortesano is an account of his life at the viceregal court  

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

Very simple: he is not Luis de Milán. It is certainly outrageous. On the other hand, if you seriously want to learn more about the biography of Milán you can read: Francesc Villanueva Serrano,“Poemas inéditos del vihuelista y escritor Luis Milán y nuevas consideraciones sobre su

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

cs.dartmouth.edu   on behalf of Antonio Corona     Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 9:21 AM   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?   Oops ... a mistake.   In the paragraph wich reads:   Milán`s El Cortesano is an account of his life at the

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

ntal settings.   RA     __   From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu   on behalf of Antonio Corona     Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 9:21 AM   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?   Oops ... a mistake

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__ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Antonio Corona Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 9:21 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? Oops ... a mistake. In the paragraph wich reads

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

Oops ... a mistake. In the paragraph wich reads: Milán`s El Cortesano is an account of his life at the viceregal court of the Duke of Calabria and Germaine de Foix at Valencia: it has little in common with Casteglione's work which, incidentally, was published in a Spanish translation by Juan

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

t. RA From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Antonio Corona Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 2:35 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? Dear Dmitry I'm afraid I shall have to differ on this point. Such a speculation implies a

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rrowed music from here and there and >>put his stamp on it. >>RA >> __ >> >> From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu >> on behalf of Antonio Corona >> >

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

__ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Antonio Corona Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 2:35 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? Dear Dmitry

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Antonio Corona Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 2:35 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? Dear Dmitry I'm afraid I shall have to differ on this point. Such a speculation implies a number

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

Dear Dmitry I'm afraid I shall have to differ on this point. Such a speculation implies a number of uncertain variables that makes it, in my opinion, untenable. Milan showed himself a competent composer in his other songs: I see no reason to brush this fact aside and look elsewhere. Best

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

Dear Antonio, I was also thinking of some musical similarities between Verdelot's madrigal "Madonna per voi ardo" and Milan's piece. They are admittedly too vague to suggest that Milan directly used it as a model, but perhaps as a starting point, or there was some other version of the song

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

Dear Dmitry You have a point there: as a matter of fact Milan did set to music poetry by Petrarch and Sannazaro, but to his music. Cheers Antonio On Thursday, 2 January 2020, 14:24:08 GMT-6, Dmitry Medvedev wrote: Ah, sorry, should have read more carefully about sonadas :) On

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

Ah, sorry, should have read more carefully about sonadas :) On 1/2/2020 2:51 PM, Dmitry Medvedev wrote: Fair enough, but should we then assume that, for example, "Madonna per voi ardo", both text and music, were written by Luis Milan? Cheers, Dmitry On 1/2/2020 1:48 PM, Antonio Corona wrote:

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

Fair enough, but should we then assume that, for example, "Madonna per voi ardo", both text and music, were written by Luis Milan? Cheers, Dmitry On 1/2/2020 1:48 PM, Antonio Corona wrote: You would do well not to assume that I would state something without basis. About authorship: Libro

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

You would do well not to assume that I would state something without basis. About authorship: Libro de musica de vihuela de mano. Intitulado El Maestro [...] Compuesto por don Luys Milan. [...] Y siguiendo mi inclinacion / he me hallado vn libro hecho de muchas obras: que de la vihuela tenia

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It well may be a case of wishful thinking!)) RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. > On Jan 2, 2020, at 7:07 AM, Antonio Corona > wrote: > >  > All the music in El Maestro is by Milán > > Cheers > > > > > > > On Thursday, 2 January 2020, 05:54:12

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

Milan has 6 vilancicos in Portuguese language. For the first three (Quien amores ten, Falai mina amor, Poys dezeys que me quereis ben), he says "aqui empieçan los vilancicos portugueses" (here begin the portuguese vilancicos). For second set (Levayme amor, Um cuidado que mia vida

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Says he himself? Or what is the reason for this assumption? :) On 02.01.20 13:03, Antonio Corona wrote: All the music in El Maestro is by Milán Cheers On Thursday, 2 January 2020, 05:54:12 GMT-6, Tristan von Neumann wrote: Are you sure? Aren't those just Milan's versions

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All the music in El Maestro is by Milán Cheers On Thursday, 2 January 2020, 05:54:12 GMT-6, Tristan von Neumann wrote: Are you sure? Aren't those just Milan's versions of the villancicos? Happy New Year, T* On 02.01.20 11:21, Antonio Corona wrote: > Not quite: they are

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Are you sure? Aren't those just Milan's versions of the villancicos? Happy New Year, T* On 02.01.20 11:21, Antonio Corona wrote: Not quite: they are villancicos in Portuguese by Milan himself. Happy New Year to all, Antonio On Wednesday, 1 January 2020, 00:52:50 GMT-6, Frank A.

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

Not quite: they are villancicos in Portuguese by Milan himself. Happy New Year to all, Antonio On Wednesday, 1 January 2020, 00:52:50 GMT-6, Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. wrote:   Luis Milan El Maestro has 3 Portuguese villancicos, #s 34 to 37   [1]here.   --Sarge -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

Luis Milan El Maestro has 3 Portuguese villancicos, #s 34 to 37 [1]here. --Sarge -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([2]sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: [3]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

No… That’s something I would like to do, but I have not the time. Joaquim > No dia 30/12/2019, às 19:47, Tristan von Neumann > escreveu: > > Wow that's nice! > > Do you have more? > > I didn't try to intabulate vocal music so far, as there's already so > much to play. > > Of course, I

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

Wow that's nice! Do you have more? I didn't try to intabulate vocal music so far, as there's already so much to play. Of course, I won't want to do the work you already did. If you send your intabulations to Sarge Gerbode, he will probably be happy to open a folder "Portuguese Renaissance

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

One of the vihuela manuscript sources has a connection to Portugal, I think it's the one with the drawing of a lute (!) player in a copy of a vihuela print. Cannot look it up at the moment. Regards Stephan Am 30. Dezember 2019 18:13:31 MEZ schrieb Joaquim Silva : As far as I

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

As far as I know, there is no Portuguese source of lute/vihuela music, only some cancioneiros, keyboard music and church music. Maybe you could intabulate some of these compositions. Here you have a small example: Joaquim A. Silva > No dia

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

phone Original Message Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? From: Tristan von Neumann To: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu CC: Yes. I don't doubt it. But where's the music...? On 30.12.19 13:09,

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

I don't think there is any. Sent from my Huawei phone Original Message Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? From: Tristan von Neumann To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu CC: Yes. I don't doubt it. But where's the music

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

Yes. I don't doubt it. But where's the music...? On 30.12.19 13:09, Daniel Shoskes wrote: The modern Portuguese guitar used extensively in Fado music had its roots in the Citole, Cittern and English guitar during the time of popularity of the vihuela and baroque guitar in

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

Yes. I don't doubt it. But where's the music...? On 30.12.19 13:09, Daniel Shoskes wrote: The modern Portuguese guitar used extensively in Fado music had its roots in the Citole, Cittern and English guitar during the time of popularity of the vihuela and baroque guitar in

[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?

The modern Portuguese guitar used extensively in Fado music had its roots in the Citole, Cittern and English guitar during the time of popularity of the vihuela and baroque guitar in Spain. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_guitar Danny On Dec 30, 2019, at 6:44 AM,