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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Saturday, 19 November, 2011, 18:45
Hi Arto and All,
I suggest a trawl through the iconography, counting pegs as well as
strings. I have seen at least
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 20:51
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks to all for the most interesting answers!
I actually just ordered a 6 courser, model Venere (the original, the
model,
was a 7 courser, I suppose?) from Lauri Niskanen, the guy who
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Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011, 17:05
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
I seem to remember that lutes with a double chanterelle were
usually strung in unisons.
Mimmo Peruffo disputes that assumption
- and octave stringing works out cheaper too :o)
From: Daniel Winheld dwinh...@comcast.net
To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011, 17:05
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
I
, or
Milano on a unison strung 6c lute.
Bill
From: Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com
To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011, 18:31
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks
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lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011, 18:31
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks for the reference, Bill. There have been new discoveries
since the time the article was written
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks for the reference, Bill. There have been new discoveries
since the time the article was written, where we now
From: Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com
To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011, 18:31
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks for the reference, Bill. There have been new discoveries
, 18:58
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks, Bill.
I have my vihuelas set up in gut, with octaves on 4, 5, and 6. It
sounds charming, and yes, I do play Milan on it!
ed
At 12:53 PM 11/20/2011, William Samson wrote:
Certainly, Ed. But how many
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Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011, 18:31
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks for the reference, Bill. There have been new discoveries
since the time the article was written, where we now cannot claim
that vihuelas were string
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Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011, 21:29
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks for the comments. On those instruments, we have octaves only at
the 6th, and on one instrument, also at the 5th. Those you-tubes are
from a performance in Gijon, Spain
. It certainly worked very well, but sounded 'darker'
than a lute with octave stringing in the basses.
Bill
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To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 20:51
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks to all
November 2011, 18:31
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks for the reference, Bill. There have been new discoveries
since the time the article was written, where we now cannot claim
that vihuelas were string in unison. Some were, others were
not. They may have had
Dear collective wisdom,
is there any evidence of using double chanterelle on 6 course lutes?
(If memory serves, there is at least one liuto attiorbato stringed so.)
Arto
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Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:10 AM
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Subject: [LUTE] Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Dear collective wisdom,
is there any evidence of using double chanterelle on 6 course lutes?
(If memory serves, there is at least one liuto attiorbato stringed so
-Original Message- From: wikla
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:10 AM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Dear collective wisdom,
is there any evidence of using double chanterelle on 6 course lutes?
(If memory serves, there is at least one liuto
Hi Arto and All,
I suggest a trawl through the iconography, counting pegs as well as
strings. I have seen at least a couple of 6c lutes with double first -
sorry the references elude me for the moment. But it was very common to
have a double first in the late 16th/17th C, as evidenced by
Hi Arto,
This doesn't answer your question but I had a bass lute built w/ a
double chanterelle and found that it creates a slightly different
paradigm. We're so used to the single chanterelle singing that it
just becomes normal to our ears. The double, otoh, sounds like an
extension of
of the
historically-correct players either. :-)
Garry
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From: Daniel Winheld
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 1:43 PM
To: Garry Warber
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Yes, Dowland and Robinson as well advocated double firsts
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Subject: [LUTE] Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Dear collective wisdom,
is there any evidence of using double chanterelle on 6 course lutes?
(If memory serves, there is at least one liuto attiorbato stringed so.)
Arto
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And another (6c this time!) from Caravaggio
[1]http://www.hermitageshop.org/store/images/large/0003150A4_3_LRG.jpg
Bill
From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 16:10
Subject: [LUTE] Double 1st string on 6 course lutes
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
And another (6c this time!) from Caravaggio
[1]http://www.hermitageshop.org/store/images/large/0003150A4_3_LRG.jpg
Bill
From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 16:10
Subject
There's no answer to that . . .
From: Garry Warber garrywar...@hughes.net
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 20:45
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
My favorite painting of all time... To my surprise, I've heard the
lute player
Thanks to all for the most interesting answers!
I actually just ordered a 6 courser, model Venere (the original, the model,
was a 7 courser, I suppose?) from Lauri Niskanen, the guy who made my new
11 courser. And I ordered an option to double chanterelle - just one extra
peg, just 3 grooves and
Arto-
Bill got it- that's the one.
http://www.hermitageshop.org/store/images/large/0003150A4_3_LRG.jpg
Double firsts seem not to be popular these days, presumably because they are a
little difficult to play on (I speak from experience) and possibly also because
they imply a lower pitch
referred to as a boy. Is that correct? I've always fancied her as
female... :-)
Garry
-Original Message- From: William Samson
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 2:23 PM
To: wikla ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
And another (6c
, I've heard the
lute player referred to as a boy. Is that correct? I've always
fancied her as female... :-)
Garry
-Original Message- From: William Samson
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 2:23 PM
To: wikla ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes
: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks to all for the most interesting answers!
I actually just ordered a 6 courser, model Venere (the original, the
model,
was a 7 courser, I suppose?) from Lauri Niskanen, the guy who made my
new
11 courser. And I ordered an option
: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
My favorite painting of all time... To my surprise, I've heard the
lute player referred to as a boy. Is that correct? I've always
fancied her as female... :-)
Garry
-Original Message- From: William Samson
Sent: Saturday
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To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 20:45
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
My favorite painting of all time... To my surprise, I've heard the
lute player referred to as a boy. Is that correct? I've always
fancied her as female
Thoren has a harp, plus some viols, and perhaps Orey and Norey have
recorder/flutes? Ben a bit since I read it, but winter is a-comin' in...
-Original Message-
From: Sean Smith
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:23 PM
To: lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes
Rats... That's all... Just rats... Another one peed upon.
Garry
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From: Edward Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 5:40 PM
To: Garry Warber ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
The depiction in the Caravaggio
some viols, and perhaps Orey and Norey have
recorder/flutes? Ben a bit since I read it, but winter is a-comin'
in...
-Original Message- From: Sean Smith
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:23 PM
To: lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Caravaggio al frodo
)
in the basses. It certainly worked very well, but sounded 'darker'
than a lute with octave stringing in the basses.
Bill
From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 20:51
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes
.
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From: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lute Net [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stewart McCoy
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Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: Double 1st (HIP message included)
OK, I'm a retired computer programmer at that level where we wrote
the
internal code
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From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lute Net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: Double 1st (HIP message included)
Dear Jon,
Yes, I think you still haven't grasped the fundamental point about
the tuning of theorbos, and it is causing you no end
le 10.1.2004 15:42, Monica Hall à [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
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From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: Double 1st (HIP message included)
Dear Jon,
Yes, I think you still haven't
of relative
intervals, did I have a lute (no wisecracks about the flat back and the
fixed frets from purists)? Is the absolute pitch a defining criterion (don't
see how it could be, absolute pitch wasn't prevalent in the days of the
lute)?
I hope that helps. If you still have a copy of my message Double
: Double 1st (HIP message
included)
08/01/2004 23:02
Thank-you Stewart,
This has been the most en-lightening description of the theorbo I have ever
seen.
Only, one thing still puzzles me...
One of the American girls on the list (is it Caroline Usher?) always ends
her messages with a 'bumper-sticker' which reads, I brake for theorboes
If it is
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wishes,
Stewart.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:13 AM
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Stewart,
I posted something about this over a year (or so
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From: David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: Double 1st (HIP message included)
On Sunday, January 4, 2004, at 02:47 PM, Martin Shepherd wrote
cc:
Subject: Re: Double 1st (HIP
message
04/01/2004 19:47 included
[EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it is a chimera.
Other than wishful thinking, there is no evidence for use of a theorbo
second course strung in octaves; indeed, since the stress of a higher
octave second would exceed the maximum breaking stress, it is highly
unlikely.
The
I really would like to know whether or not there is evidence of
continental 15-16 c. usage of double 1st courses on the lute?
Arne.
not the 16th but 17th centuries italian lutes (liuto francesa) had a
double first course (for example the famous Stradivari)
Thomas
Am Die, 2004-01-06 um 20.42 schrieb Arne Keller:
I really would like to know whether or not there is evidence of
continental 15-16 c. usage of double 1st courses
of the instrument's style.
You pays your money and takes your choice. :-)
All the best,
Stewart.
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Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 2:14 PM
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cordes pour une par tout, fors au son le plus
haut, ...
Like Virdung, he mentions lutes with 7 courses.
Rainer adS
Arne Keller wrote:
Again:
Double 1st course is English usage/invention, only later spread to
continent.
Right?
Arne.
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From: sterling price [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 05 January 2004 04:25
Subject: Re: Double 1st
Weren't many re-entrant theorbos strung with a double
first? And especially bass lutes? I have been wanting
Message -
From: sterling price [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: Double 1st
Weren't many re-entrant theorbos strung with a double
first? And especially bass lutes? I have been wanting
to try a theorbo
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From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lute Net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 January 2004 16:24
Subject: Double 1st
Dear Sterling,
There seems to have been considerable variety in instruments known
as theorboes. Single or double strings on the fingerboard
I would support your point in general - just an addendum:
It's somehow like a relation between pupil and teacher: We need the
teacher to learn the basics, technique and - yes! to get a feeling for
the music but at a certain point in the education we also need to
emanzipate ourselfs from our
: Re: Double 1st (HIP message included)
Hi Vance,
Nylon frets, eh? That's downright heretical!
To answer your question, I always think I'm going to get flamed when I
disagreee with lute players on certain subjects, and the sacredness of
history is one of them. Over the years, I've come
Weren't many re-entrant theorbos strung with a double
first? And especially bass lutes? I have been wanting
to try a theorbo with all double courses. I have heard
that they were more common historicaly than now.
Sterling Price
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