[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Rob MacKillop 
Good comments, Mimmo. I must say I am impressed with the Loaded Nylgut strings, 
and will definitely use them on from 6th to 13th courses. Congratulations on 
creating a very good string. 

Rob



> On 9 Jan 2017, at 07:24, Mimmo Peruffo  wrote:
> 
> Well,  a sustain of 20 seconds or so on is very impossible even with modern 
> wound strings, whose density is 5 times plain gut:  i remember that the 
> modern wound strings has the best gain over all the bass strings types. 
> Mersenne wrote that he is mentioning the last bass string; i.e. the ticker.
> In the Harmonie Universelle there are a lot of mistakes. One concerning gut: 
> the Mersenne's calculation give a breacking stress of 19 Kg/ mm2 while it 
> should be of 34 Kg/mm2 almost. And so on with metal wire calculations, the 
> equal tension on harps and spinette etc etc.  One thing is to consider  20 
> second of sound and another thing is that the vibration of the string lasted 
> till 20 seconds.  I am thinking that it is the second case; i.e. the 
> vibration of the string whas so long, not the sound.  So one can hear the 
> sound in the first seconds and then one see the vibration of the string till 
> its stop.
> I think that this is the only interpretetation  that can work.
> In any case, generally speacking, this mean that these basses were very very 
> efficients. The elasticity only is not in condition the explain this 
> behaviour.
> Mimmo
> 
> 
> -Messaggio originale- From: Jean-Marie Poirier
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 9:46 PM
> To: Christopher Wilke ; Rob MacKillop ; 'Lute List'
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain
> 
> The exact quotation from Mersenne is :
> "...le son des grosses chordes de Luth est apperceu de l'oreille durant la 
> sixiesme partie, ou le tiers d'une minute, c'est à dire pendant que l'artère 
> du poux d'un homme sain, & sans emotion bat dix, ou vingt fois..."
> which can be roughly translated by : the sound of the big strings of a Lute 
> is perceived by the ear during the sixth part, or a third of a minute, that 
> is to say as long as the pulse of a healthy man, without emotion, beats ten, 
> or twenty times..."
> 
> Amicalement,
> 
> Jean-Marie
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
>>  Hi Rob,
>> 
>>  What exactly is the quote in Mersenne about the 20 second sustain?
>>  Although my French is very poor, I've attempted to find it to no avail.
>> 
>>  Chris
>>  [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>>  On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 10:59 AM, Rob MacKillop
>>   wrote:
>> 
>>Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
>>Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
>>string.
>>[1][2]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>>My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on
>>  the
>>Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
>>With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
>>you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
>>The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
>>  completely
>>strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
>>On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
>>seconds!!!
>>I'll stick with the Aquila.
>>Rob
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>>  2. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>>  3. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>>  4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>

[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Mimmo Peruffo 
Well,  a sustain of 20 seconds or so on is very impossible even with modern 
wound strings, whose density is 5 times plain gut:  i remember that the 
modern wound strings has the best gain over all the bass strings types. 
Mersenne wrote that he is mentioning the last bass string; i.e. the ticker.
In the Harmonie Universelle there are a lot of mistakes. One concerning gut: 
the Mersenne's calculation give a breacking stress of 19 Kg/ mm2 while it 
should be of 34 Kg/mm2 almost. And so on with metal wire calculations, the 
equal tension on harps and spinette etc etc.  One thing is to consider  20 
second of sound and another thing is that the vibration of the string 
lasted till 20 seconds.  I am thinking that it is the second case; i.e. the 
vibration of the string whas so long, not the sound.  So one can hear the 
sound in the first seconds and then one see the vibration of the string till 
its stop.

I think that this is the only interpretetation  that can work.
In any case, generally speacking, this mean that these basses were very very 
efficients. The elasticity only is not in condition the explain this 
behaviour.

Mimmo


-Messaggio originale- 
From: Jean-Marie Poirier

Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 9:46 PM
To: Christopher Wilke ; Rob MacKillop ; 'Lute List'
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

The exact quotation from Mersenne is :
"...le son des grosses chordes de Luth est apperceu de l'oreille durant la 
sixiesme partie, ou le tiers d'une minute, c'est à dire pendant que l'artère 
du poux d'un homme sain, & sans emotion bat dix, ou vingt fois..."
which can be roughly translated by : the sound of the big strings of a Lute 
is perceived by the ear during the sixth part, or a third of a minute, that 
is to say as long as the pulse of a healthy man, without emotion, beats ten, 
or twenty times..."


Amicalement,

Jean-Marie



--


  Hi Rob,

  What exactly is the quote in Mersenne about the 20 second sustain?
  Although my French is very poor, I've attempted to find it to no avail.

  Chris
  [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

  On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 10:59 AM, Rob MacKillop
   wrote:

Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
string.
[1][2]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on
  the
Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
  completely
strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
seconds!!!
I'll stick with the Aquila.
Rob
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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread howard posner 
> On Jan 8, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Rob MacKillop  wrote:
> 
>   Good point, Howard. But still, twenty seconds is a long time. I am
>   certainly only interested in the time before clashing with the next
>   note or notes takes place, and that of course depends on the passage of
>   music. But generally speaking, even if we halve Mersenne's twenty
>   seconds, that is still much longer than even the Savarez string.

And what do we make of Mersenne’s range of ten to twenty seconds/heartbeats?  
What’s he actually telling us?  Some strings ten, others twenty?  Useable 
sustain ten, total duration twenty?  Results for one string were inconsistent?  
Depends on your heart rate?  I’m sure we can up with a bunch of plausible 
interpretations, but in the end the information seems too uncertain to base any 
solid conclusion on it.



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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Rob MacKillop 
   Good point, Howard. But still, twenty seconds is a long time. I am
   certainly only interested in the time before clashing with the next
   note or notes takes place, and that of course depends on the passage of
   music. But generally speaking, even if we halve Mersenne's twenty
   seconds, that is still much longer than even the Savarez string.

   On 8 January 2017 at 22:26, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
   wrote:

 > On Jan 8, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Rob MacKillop
 <[2]robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 > So what are we to make of this? The movement in the last decade
 has been to minimise the sustain as long as possible. I'm completely
 on board with this. But if we are to take Mersenne at face value, we
 have been moving in the wrong direction - we should be at least
 doubling the sustain time.
 Could it be that you and Mersenne are talking about different
 things?   You wrote about "useable sustain," which I take to mean
 "how long the note is musically significant or can interfere with
 new notes," or something similar.   Mersenne sounds more like he's
 reporting results of an experiment like the one I just did: pluck
 the string in a quiet room and time how long you can hear it at all,
 which yields a very different number.   Indeed, my total sustain
 time just now was more than double what I would call "useable
 sustain."
 Mersenne was primarily a scientist/mathematician (do a web search on
 him and you'll turn up all sorts of things about prime numbers), so
 we need to be alert to the possibility that he's giving us
 scientific data rather than practical musical information.

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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread howard posner 

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Rob MacKillop  wrote:
> 
> So what are we to make of this? The movement in the last decade has been to 
> minimise the sustain as long as possible. I'm completely on board with this. 
> But if we are to take Mersenne at face value, we have been moving in the 
> wrong direction - we should be at least doubling the sustain time. 

Could it be that you and Mersenne are talking about different things?  You 
wrote about “useable sustain,” which I take to mean “how long the note is 
musically significant or can interfere with new notes,” or something similar.  
Mersenne sounds more like he’s reporting results of an experiment like the one 
I just did: pluck the string in a quiet room and time how long you can hear it 
at all, which yields a very different number.  Indeed, my total sustain time 
just now was more than double what I would call “useable sustain.”

Mersenne was primarily a scientist/mathematician (do a web search on him and 
you’ll turn up all sorts of things about prime numbers), so we need to be alert 
to the possibility that he’s giving us scientific data rather than practical 
musical information. 




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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Matthew Daillie 
   On 08/01/2017 21:29, howard posner wrote:

On Jan 8, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Rob MacKillop [1] wrote:

  Excellent. I'd appreciate a good translation of the French...

Google Translate renders "le son des grosses chordes de Luth est apperceu de Tor
eille durant la sixiesme partie,  ou le tiers d'vne minutec'est à dire pendant 
q
ue Tartere du poux d'un homme sain"

as

"The sound of the large strings of Luth is seen from the ear during the sixth pa
rt, or the third of a minute is to be said while the tartar of the lice of a hea
lthy man"

I don't know you can improve on that.

   Top notch! Who needs translators?
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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Matthew Daillie 

On 08/01/2017 21:46, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:

The exact quotation from Mersenne is :
"...le son des grosses chordes de Luth est apperceu de l'oreille durant la sixiesme 
partie, ou le tiers d'une minute, c'est à dire pendant que l'artère du poux d'un homme sain, 
& sans emotion bat dix, ou vingt fois..."
which can be roughly translated by : the sound of the big strings of a Lute is 
perceived by the ear during the sixth part, or a third of a minute, that is to say 
as long as the pulse of a healthy man, without emotion, beats ten, or twenty 
times..."

Amicalement,

Jean-Marie


'sans emotion' means in a relaxed state



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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Rob MacKillop 
So what are we to make of this? The movement in the last decade has been to 
minimise the sustain as long as possible. I'm completely on board with this. 
But if we are to take Mersenne at face value, we have been moving in the wrong 
direction - we should be at least doubling the sustain time. 

Confused of Edinburgh...



> On 8 Jan 2017, at 20:46, Jean-Marie Poirier  wrote:
> 
> The exact quotation from Mersenne is : 
> "...le son des grosses chordes de Luth est apperceu de l'oreille durant la 
> sixiesme partie, ou le tiers d'une minute, c'est à dire pendant que l'artère 
> du poux d'un homme sain, & sans emotion bat dix, ou vingt fois..."
> which can be roughly translated by : the sound of the big strings of a Lute 
> is perceived by the ear during the sixth part, or a third of a minute, that 
> is to say as long as the pulse of a healthy man, without emotion, beats ten, 
> or twenty times..."
> 
> Amicalement,
> 
> Jean-Marie
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
>>  Hi Rob,
>> 
>>  What exactly is the quote in Mersenne about the 20 second sustain?
>>  Although my French is very poor, I've attempted to find it to no avail.
>> 
>>  Chris
>>  [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>>  On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 10:59 AM, Rob MacKillop
>>   wrote:
>> 
>>Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
>>Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
>>string.
>>[1][2]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>>My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on
>>  the
>>Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
>>With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
>>you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
>>The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
>>  completely
>>strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
>>On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
>>seconds!!!
>>I'll stick with the Aquila.
>>Rob
>>--
>>  References
>>1. [3]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>>  To get on or off this list see list information at
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>> 
>>  1. https://yho.com/footer0
>>  2. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>>  3. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>>  4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
>

[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Matthew Daillie 
   On 08/01/2017 20:58, Christopher Wilke wrote:

Thanks!
   [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

   On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 2:33 PM, David Morales
   [1] wrote:

 Yes, we have some quotes and images on our blog related to that topic
 in the interview with M. Peruffo regarding these loaded strings.
 Check it out here:

   [1][2][2]http://cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog/new-loaded-synthetic-bass-strings-
   by-
 aquila-corde/

   There are some mistakes in the transcription of the excerpt in a modern
   font (part of which is highlighted), it is best to read the scan of the
   original.

   Best

   Matthew
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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier 
The exact quotation from Mersenne is : 
"...le son des grosses chordes de Luth est apperceu de l'oreille durant la 
sixiesme partie, ou le tiers d'une minute, c'est à dire pendant que l'artère du 
poux d'un homme sain, & sans emotion bat dix, ou vingt fois..."
which can be roughly translated by : the sound of the big strings of a Lute is 
perceived by the ear during the sixth part, or a third of a minute, that is to 
say as long as the pulse of a healthy man, without emotion, beats ten, or 
twenty times..."

Amicalement,

Jean-Marie



--
 
>   Hi Rob,
>
>   What exactly is the quote in Mersenne about the 20 second sustain?
>   Although my French is very poor, I've attempted to find it to no avail.
>
>   Chris
>   [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>   On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 10:59 AM, Rob MacKillop
>    wrote:
>
> Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
> Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
> string.
> [1][2]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
> My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on
>   the
> Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
> With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
> you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
> The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
>   completely
> strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
> On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
> seconds!!!
> I'll stick with the Aquila.
> Rob
> --
>   References
> 1. [3]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
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>References
>
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>   2. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>   3. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>

[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Christopher Wilke 
   Thanks!
   [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

   On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 2:33 PM, David Morales
    wrote:

 Yes, we have some quotes and images on our blog related to that topic
 in the interview with M. Peruffo regarding these loaded strings.
 Check it out here:

   [1][2]http://cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog/new-loaded-synthetic-bass-strings-
   by-
 aquila-corde/
 Copied here:
 --
 Let's take a look at [2]Harmonie universelle, contenant la thà ©orie
   et
 la pratique de la musique, written by Marin Mersenne and published in
 Paris in 1636. It represented the sum of musical knowledge during his
 lifetime (available [3]at gallica).
 Here, Mersenne give us some clues about the sound of the bass
   strings:
   * D'abondant l'on experimente que les airs des Balets & des Violons
 existent dauantage à  raison de leur gayetà © qui vient de la
 promptitude de leurs
 movements, ou de leurs sons aigus, que les  airs que l'on jouà ©
 sur le Luth, ou sur les basses de Violes, lesquels sont pour
 l'ordinaire plus graves & plus languissans .
   * Quant au nombre des retours de chaque chorde, il est tres-grand
 auant qu'elle se repose, car il est certain qu elle sc meut
 tousiours tandis que Ton en oyt le son, Ã ´c que le son des
   grosses
 chordes de Luth est apperceu de Toreille durant la sixiesme
   partie,
 ou le tiers d'vne minute , c'est à dire pendant que Tartere du
 poux d'vn homme sain, à ´c Ãà ns à ©motion bat dix, ou vingt
   fois: de
 sorte qu'il ne reste qu'Ã  remarquer combien de fois la chorde
   bat
 Tair dans vne seconde minute, pour sà §auoir combien elle le
   frappe
 auant que de se repose
 Regards.
 2017-01-08 20:23 GMT+01:00 Rob MacKillop
   <[4][3]robmackil...@gmail.com>:
   I was being lazy. He doesn't mention seconds, rather heart
   beats,
   if I
   remember correctly. Hopefully someone can supply the original.
   Rob
   On 8 Jan 2017, at 18:54, Christopher Wilke
   <[1][5][4]chriswi...@yahoo.com>
   wrote:
   Hi Rob,
   What exactly is the quote in Mersenne about the 20 second
   sustain?
   Although my French is very poor, I've attempted to find it to
   no
   avail.
   Chris
   [2]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
   On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 10:59 AM, Rob MacKillop
   <[3][6][5]robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote:
 Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new
   Aquila
 Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk
   core
   bass
 string.
 [1][4][7][6]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
 My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable
   sustain on
   the
 Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8
   seconds.
 With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much
   every note
 you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
 The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
   completely
 strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very
   close.
 On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for
   almost
   20
 seconds!!!
 I'll stick with the Aquila.
 Rob
 --
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 1. [5][8][7]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
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   3. mailto:[12][11]robmackil...@gmail.com
   4. [13][12]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   5. [14][13]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   6.
   [15][14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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 3. [18]http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5471093v.r=.langFR
 4. mailto:[19]robmackil...@gmail.com
 5. mailto:[20]chriswi...@yahoo.com
 6. mailto:[21]robmackil...@gmail.com
 7. [22]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
 8. [23]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
 9. [24]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 10. mailto:[25]chriswi...@yahoo.com
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 12.

[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread howard posner 

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Rob MacKillop  wrote:
> 
>   Excellent. I'd appreciate a good translation of the French...

Google Translate renders "le son des grosses chordes de Luth est apperceu de 
Toreille durant la sixiesme partie,  ou le tiers d'vne minutec'est à dire 
pendant que Tartere du poux d'un homme sain”

as 

"The sound of the large strings of Luth is seen from the ear during the sixth 
part, or the third of a minute is to be said while the tartar of the lice of a 
healthy man”

I don’t know you can improve on that.



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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Rob MacKillop 
   Excellent. I'd appreciate a good translation of the French...

   Rob

   On 8 Jan 2017, at 19:33, David Morales
   <[1]dmorale...@cuerdaspulsadas.com> wrote:

   Yes, we have some quotes and images on our blog related to that topic
   in the interview with M. Peruffo regarding these loaded strings.
   Check it out here:
   [2]http://cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog/new-loaded-synthetic-bass-strings-by-
   aquila-corde/
   Copied here:
   --

   Let's take a look at [3]Harmonie universelle, contenant la théorie et
   la pratique de la musique, written by Marin Mersenne and published in
   Paris in 1636. It represented the sum of musical knowledge during his
   lifetime (available [4]at gallica).

   Here, Mersenne give us some clues about the sound of the bass strings:
 * D'abondant l'on experimente que les airs des Balets & des Violons
   existent dauantage à raison de leur gayeté qui vient de la
   promptitude de leurs
   movements, ou de leurs sons aigus, que les  airs que l'on joué sur
   le Luth, ou sur les basses de Violes, lesquels sont pour
   l'ordinaire plus graves & plus languissans .

 * Quant au nombre des retours de chaque chorde, il est tres-grand
   auant qu'elle se repose, car il est certain qu elle sc meut
   tousiours tandis que Ton en oyt le son, ôc que le son des grosses
   chordes de Luth est apperceu de Toreille durant la sixiesme partie,
   ou le tiers d'vne minute , c'est à dire pendant que Tartere du poux
   d'vn homme sain, ôc íàns émotion bat dix, ou vingt fois: de sorte
   qu'il ne reste qu'à remarquer combien de fois la chorde bat Tair
   dans vne seconde minute, pour sçauoir combien elle le frappe auant
   que de se repose

   Regards.
   2017-01-08 20:23 GMT+01:00 Rob MacKillop <[5]robmackil...@gmail.com>:

I was being lazy. He doesn't mention seconds, rather heart beats,
 if I
remember correctly. Hopefully someone can supply the original.
Rob
On 8 Jan 2017, at 18:54, Christopher Wilke
 <[1][6]chriswi...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hi Rob,
What exactly is the quote in Mersenne about the 20 second
 sustain?
Although my French is very poor, I've attempted to find it to no
 avail.
Chris
[2]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 10:59 AM, Rob MacKillop
<[3][7]robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote:
  Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new
 Aquila
  Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core
 bass
  string.
  [1][4][8]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
  My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable
 sustain on
the
  Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8
 seconds.
  With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much
 every note
  you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
  The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
completely
  strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very
 close.
  On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost
 20
  seconds!!!
  I'll stick with the Aquila.
  Rob
  --
References
  1. [5][9]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
To get on or off this list see list information at
[6][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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2. [12]https://yho.com/footer0
3. mailto:[13]robmackil...@gmail.com
4. [14]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
5. [15]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
6. [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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References

   1. mailto:dmorale...@cuerdaspulsadas.com
   2. 
http://cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog/new-loaded-synthetic-bass-strings-by-aquila-corde/
   3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonie_universelle
   4. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5471093v.r=.langFR
   5. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   6. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com
   7. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   8. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   9. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
  10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  11. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com
  12. https://yho.com/footer0
  13. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
  14. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
  15. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
  16. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  17. http://www.cuerdaspulsadas.com/
  18. mailto:h...@cuerdaspulsadas.com
  19. http://www.cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog
  20. http://cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog/agenda/
  21. http://www.cuerdaspulsadas.com/timeline

[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread David Morales 
   Yes, we have some quotes and images on our blog related to that topic
   in the interview with M. Peruffo regarding these loaded strings.
   Check it out here:
   [1]http://cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog/new-loaded-synthetic-bass-strings-by-
   aquila-corde/
   Copied here:
   --

   Let's take a look at [2]Harmonie universelle, contenant la théorie et
   la pratique de la musique, written by Marin Mersenne and published in
   Paris in 1636. It represented the sum of musical knowledge during his
   lifetime (available [3]at gallica).

   Here, Mersenne give us some clues about the sound of the bass strings:
 * D'abondant l'on experimente que les airs des Balets & des Violons
   existent dauantage à raison de leur gayeté qui vient de la
   promptitude de leurs
   movements, ou de leurs sons aigus, que les   airs que l'on joué
   sur le Luth, ou sur les basses de Violes, lesquels sont pour
   l'ordinaire plus graves & plus languissans .

 * Quant au nombre des retours de chaque chorde, il est tres-grand
   auant qu'elle se repose, car il est certain qu elle sc meut
   tousiours tandis que Ton en oyt le son, ôc que le son des grosses
   chordes de Luth est apperceu de Toreille durant la sixiesme partie,
   ou le tiers d'vne minute , c'est à dire pendant que Tartere du
   poux d'vn homme sain, ôc Ãà ns émotion bat dix, ou vingt fois: de
   sorte qu'il ne reste qu'Ã  remarquer combien de fois la chorde bat
   Tair dans vne seconde minute, pour sçauoir combien elle le frappe
   auant que de se repose

   Regards.

   2017-01-08 20:23 GMT+01:00 Rob MacKillop <[4]robmackil...@gmail.com>:

I was being lazy. He doesn't mention seconds, rather heart beats,
 if I
remember correctly. Hopefully someone can supply the original.
Rob
On 8 Jan 2017, at 18:54, Christopher Wilke
 <[1][5]chriswi...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hi Rob,
What exactly is the quote in Mersenne about the 20 second
 sustain?
Although my French is very poor, I've attempted to find it to no
 avail.
Chris
[2]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 10:59 AM, Rob MacKillop
<[3][6]robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote:
  Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new
 Aquila
  Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core
 bass
  string.
  [1][4][7]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
  My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable
 sustain on
the
  Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8
 seconds.
  With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much
 every note
  you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
  The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
completely
  strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very
 close.
  On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost
 20
  seconds!!!
  I'll stick with the Aquila.
  Rob
  --
References
  1. [5][8]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
To get on or off this list see list information at
[6][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
--
 References
1. mailto:[10]chriswi...@yahoo.com
2. [11]https://yho.com/footer0
3. mailto:[12]robmackil...@gmail.com
4. [13]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
5. [14]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
6. [15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

   --
   Cuerdas Pulsadas
   [16]www.cuerdaspulsadas.com || [17]h...@cuerdaspulsadas.com
   [18]BLOG || [19]AGENDA || [20]TIMELINE

   [21]blog [22]facebook [23]twitter [24]instagram

   --

References

   1. 
http://cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog/new-loaded-synthetic-bass-strings-by-aquila-corde/
   2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonie_universelle
   3. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5471093v.r=.langFR
   4. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   5. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com
   6. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   7. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   8. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  10. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com
  11. https://yho.com/footer0
  12. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
  13. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
  14. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
  15. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  16. http://www.cuerdaspulsadas.com/
  17. mailto:h...@cuerdaspulsadas.com
  18. http://www.cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog
  19. http://cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog/agenda/
  20. http://www.cuerdaspulsadas.com/timeline
  21. http://.cuerdaspulsadas.com/blog
  22. http://www.facebook.com/cuerdaspulsadas
  23. http://www.twitter.com/cuerdaspulsadas
  24. http://www.instagram.com/cuerdaspulsadas

[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Rob MacKillop 
   I was being lazy. He doesn't mention seconds, rather heart beats, if I
   remember correctly. Hopefully someone can supply the original.

   Rob

   On 8 Jan 2017, at 18:54, Christopher Wilke <[1]chriswi...@yahoo.com>
   wrote:

   Hi Rob,
   What exactly is the quote in Mersenne about the 20 second sustain?
   Although my French is very poor, I've attempted to find it to no avail.
   Chris
   [2]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

   On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 10:59 AM, Rob MacKillop
   <[3]robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
 Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
 string.
 [1][4]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
 My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on
   the
 Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
 With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
 you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
 The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
   completely
 strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
 On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
 seconds!!!
 I'll stick with the Aquila.
 Rob
 --
   References
 1. [5]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   To get on or off this list see list information at
   [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

   --

References

   1. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com
   2. https://yho.com/footer0
   3. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   4. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   5. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Christopher Wilke 
   Hi Rob,

   What exactly is the quote in Mersenne about the 20 second sustain?
   Although my French is very poor, I've attempted to find it to no avail.

   Chris
   [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

   On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 10:59 AM, Rob MacKillop
    wrote:

 Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
 Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
 string.
 [1][2]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
 My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on
   the
 Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
 With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
 you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
 The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
   completely
 strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
 On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
 seconds!!!
 I'll stick with the Aquila.
 Rob
 --
   References
 1. [3]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   To get on or off this list see list information at
   [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

   --

References

   1. https://yho.com/footer0
   2. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   3. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Anthony Hind 
   Oups, sorry Rob for sending to wrong list AH

Very relevant comparison Rob, and I also notice that on my 11C
   lute, the sustain of the new Aquila basses is almost identical to that
   of my Venice octaves (which presumably would not be the case with the
   Savarez. I imagine they would drone on longer if not stopped); but
   again if I pluck courses D10 and d2 together, they also have the same
   sustain. I think this shows how well the new basses work together with
   the other strings, rather than against them, as with wirewounds.
   I also find that they are fairly close to my Venice loaded basses
   (rather than the stiffer first generation HT loaded), but with better
   resonance patterns, and even more elasticity. I did have to alter my
   playing slightly to allow for this. Those coming from stiffer
   wirewounds may have more adapting to do, but will probably find this
   worthwhile; yet these very elastic basses may not work quite so well
   for low tension players, who could have adapted their technique to
   stiffer pure gut (HT or roped), Gimped, or even KF harp strings. It
   might be interesting to hear from players coming from different playing
   styles.
   Best regards
   Anthony

 Le 8 janv. 2017 à 16:59, Rob MacKillop <[1]robmackil...@gmail.com> a
 écrit :

   Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new
 Aquila
   Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core
 bass
   string.
   [1][2]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain
 on the
   Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
   With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every
 note
   you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
   The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
 completely
   strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very
 close.
   On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
   seconds!!!
   I'll stick with the Aquila.
   Rob
   --
 References
   1. [3]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
 To get on or off this list see list information at
 [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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References

   1. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   2. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   3. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Music and War

2017-01-08 Thread John Mardinly 
   You might also want to stock up on canned food, strings. water
   purification equipment and iodine pills to deal with the fallout….

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
   EMail: [1]john.mardi...@asu.edu
   Cell: [2]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
   But don't call the lab….I won't be there!

   On Jan 8, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Roman Turovsky <[3]r.turov...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

 let me put it this way -
 a lute a day keeps TrumPutin away.
 Especially if it has a Ukrainian flavor.
 RT
 On 1/8/2017 12:52 PM, John Mardinly wrote:
 Sad, but there is worse. The destruction of the United States by a
 lunatic will begin on January 20th.
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 -a-dangerous-president-a-1120925.html
 A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
 Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
 EMail: [2][5]john.mardi...@asu.edu
 Cell: [3]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
 But don't call the lab….I won't be there!
 On Jan 8, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Roman Turovsky
   <[4][6]r.turov...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
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[LUTE] Re: Music and War

2017-01-08 Thread Roman Turovsky 
   let me put it this way -
   a lute a day keeps TrumPutin away.

   Especially if it has a Ukrainian flavor.
   RT

   On 1/8/2017 12:52 PM, John Mardinly wrote:

   Sad, but there is worse. The destruction of the United States by a
   lunatic will begin on January 20th.

   [1]http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-editorial-trump-is
   -a-dangerous-president-a-1120925.html

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
   EMail: [2]john.mardi...@asu.edu
   Cell: [3]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
   But don't call the lab….I won't be there!

   On Jan 8, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Roman Turovsky <[4]r.turov...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

 an experiment with cognitive dissonance inherent in our angst-ridden
 times -
 [1][5]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_B
   z2IbHPk7ok=DQIFaQ=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=MAu
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 Cinematography by [2]Володимир Харченко, performed by 
[3]Stuart Walsh
 on an original 19th century 7string guitar, music by yours truly,
 originally for 13course lute:
   [4][6]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__torban.org_im
   ages_250rondo.pdf=DQIFaQ=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfA
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 Filmed at the front, in Eastern Ukraine in 2016.
 Enjoy!
 Amities,
 RT
 --
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   3. tel:408-921-3253
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Anthony Hind 
   Very relevant comparison Rob, and I also notice that on my 11C lute,
   the sustain of the new Aquila basses is almost identical to that of my
   Venice octaves (which presumably would not be the case with the
   Savarez. I imagine they would drone on longer if not stopped); but
   again if I pluck courses D10 and d2 together, they also have the same
   sustain. I think this shows how well the new basses work together with
   the other strings, rather than against them, as with wirewounds.
   I also find that they are fairly close to my Venice loaded basses
   (rather than the stiffer first generation HT loaded), but with better
   resonance patterns, and even more elasticity. I did have to alter my
   playing slightly to allow for this. Those coming from stiffer
   wirewounds may have more adapting to do, but will probably find this
   worthwhile; yet these very elastic basses may not work quite so well
   for low tension players, who could have adapted their technique to
   stiffer pure gut (HT or roped), Gimped, or even KF harp strings. It
   might be interesting to hear from players coming from different playing
   styles.
   Best regards
   Anthony

   Le 8 janv. 2017 à 16:59, Rob MacKillop <[1]robmackil...@gmail.com> a
   écrit :

 Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
 Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
 string.
 [1][2]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
 My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on
   the
 Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
 With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
 you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
 The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
   completely
 strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
 On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
 seconds!!!
 I'll stick with the Aquila.
 Rob
 --
   References
 1. [3]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   To get on or off this list see list information at
   [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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References

   1. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   2. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   3. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Rob MacKillop 
   The complete opposite for me, John :-) At least we have a choice now. I
   don't want to spend half my time stopping every bass note from ringing
   on too long.

   Rob
   [1]www.robmackillop.net

   On 8 Jan 2017, at 17:59, John Mardinly <[2]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
   wrote:

 No contest-I use and love the Savarez (on my 8-course) not just
 because of the sustain, but they pick up the vibrations from the
 treble strings and give an ethereal sound to the instrument. It's
 like having your own cathedral at home without the expense.

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
   EMail: [3]john.mardi...@asu.edu
   Cell: [4]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
   But don't call the lab….I won't be there!

   On Jan 8, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Rob MacKillop <[5]robmackil...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

 Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
 Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
 string.
 [1][6]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_8
   FVJMk-5FXjv0=DQIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=M
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   s2r4018W6q7RfkDRM=vK-hlBzsEByZNXDC5i5LH-YYypqOI8SeRkGnBq_bAco=
 My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on
   the
 Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
 With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
 you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
 The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
   completely
 strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
 On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
 seconds!!!
 I'll stick with the Aquila.
 Rob
 --
   References
 1.
   [7]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_8FVJMk
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References

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   2. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
   3. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
   4. tel:408-921-3253
   5. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   6. 
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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread John Mardinly 
   No contest-I use and love the Savarez (on my 8-course) not just because
   of the sustain, but they pick up the vibrations from the treble strings
   and give an ethereal sound to the instrument. It's like having your own
   cathedral at home without the expense.

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
   EMail: [1]john.mardi...@asu.edu
   Cell: [2]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
   But don't call the lab….I won't be there!

   On Jan 8, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Rob MacKillop <[3]robmackil...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

 Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
 Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
 string.
 [1][4]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_8
   FVJMk-5FXjv0=DQIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=M
   AuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ=NKGb8KFtR8fCEKGtEBxMo1-yxg
   s2r4018W6q7RfkDRM=vK-hlBzsEByZNXDC5i5LH-YYypqOI8SeRkGnBq_bAco=
 My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on
   the
 Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
 With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
 you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
 The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
   completely
 strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
 On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
 seconds!!!
 I'll stick with the Aquila.
 Rob
 --
   References
 1.
   [5]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_8FVJMk
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References

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   3. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
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[LUTE] Re: Music and War

2017-01-08 Thread John Mardinly 
   Sad, but there is worse. The destruction of the United States by a
   lunatic will begin on January 20th.

   [1]http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-editorial-trump-is
   -a-dangerous-president-a-1120925.html

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
   EMail: [2]john.mardi...@asu.edu
   Cell: [3]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
   But don't call the lab….I won't be there!

   On Jan 8, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Roman Turovsky <[4]r.turov...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

 an experiment with cognitive dissonance inherent in our angst-ridden
 times -
 [1][5]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_B
   z2IbHPk7ok=DQIFaQ=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=MAu
   GvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ=-hTsIjKfbTZLZst0MAbZVfhd5KSw
   ljQ0t3kBqUwls9E=s_4LT_GKAfYjlyKO6kMZcLspS711664MrPhrSIJbw24=
 Cinematography by [2]Володимир Харченко, performed by 
[3]Stuart Walsh
 on an original 19th century 7string guitar, music by yours truly,
 originally for 13course lute:
   [4][6]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__torban.org_im
   ages_250rondo.pdf=DQIFaQ=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfA
   U=MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ=-hTsIjKfbTZLZst0MAbZV
   fhd5KSwljQ0t3kBqUwls9E=hV3NJulaG_4sqIZkwIHVg0ttRUOYV9gooYH3ohw3YoQ=
 Filmed at the front, in Eastern Ukraine in 2016.
 Enjoy!
 Amities,
 RT
 --
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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread David Morales 
   Thanks for sharing Rob, this is really helpful.
   I have also uploaded a short video yesterday, trying out these new
   synthetic loaded bass strings on a vihuela.
   [1]https://youtu.be/g1g7sZiknws
   By the way, let me share with you that these days we are offering a 20%
   discount on all strings available on Cuerdas Pulsadas, include these
   new loaded strings.
   [2]www.cuerdaspulsadas.com
   Best regards

   2017-01-08 16:59 GMT+01:00 Rob MacKillop <[3]robmackil...@gmail.com>:

Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new
 Aquila
Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core
 bass
string.
[1][4]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain
 on the
Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8
 seconds.
With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every
 note
you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
 completely
strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very
 close.
On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost
 20
seconds!!!
I'll stick with the Aquila.
Rob
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[LUTE] Music and War

2017-01-08 Thread Roman Turovsky 
   an experiment with cognitive dissonance inherent in our angst-ridden
   times -
   [1]https://youtu.be/Bz2IbHPk7ok
   Cinematography by [2]Володимир Харченко, performed by 
[3]Stuart Walsh
   on an original 19th century 7string guitar, music by yours truly,
   originally for 13course lute: [4]http://torban.org/images/250rondo.pdf
   Filmed at the front, in Eastern Ukraine in 2016.
   Enjoy!
   Amities,
   RT
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[LUTE] Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

2017-01-08 Thread Rob MacKillop 
   Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
   Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
   string.
   [1]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on the
   Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
   With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
   you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
   The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c completely
   strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
   On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
   seconds!!!
   I'll stick with the Aquila.
   Rob

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