[LUTE] Re: Some questions

[Tristan von Neumann]

Here's my answers to your questions. I don't know if this is actually 
true or not, but I feel that way.


Am 14.03.2018 um 22:33 schrieb Gilbert Isbin:

Why is the lute world ruled by early music ?


It's just that the music is SO good that it's hard to think of anything 
else so much fun, intellectually joyful and pleasing just playing for 
yourself.
New Music tends to either be spectralist or atonal. The former sounds 
fascinating, but I have not yet heard any piece exploring that 
direction. The latter just does not suit the naturally sympathetic 
nature of the lute.
And then there is retro-new music which is nice, but just shows love for 
Early Music.




Why are 90 or 95% of the lutenists afraid to play new music for the
lute ?


New Music needs a completely new technique. Most lutists are good 
amateurs, and the few pros are struggling to make a living doing Early 
Music. There is hardly time to practice considering the meager 
out/income for playing New Music.

New Music appeals to an even smaller audience than Early Music.


Why did guitarists, recorder players, cellists, pianists , oud players
etc. took the challenge to play today's music and the lute world almost
- with a very few exeptions - doesn't ?


There are more of those around, so the number of crazy people doing that 
is higher in absolute numbers. The percentage is still very low. Most 
play Classical, Romantic, and Early Music.



Why are luteplayers afraid to play something different ?


If it's applying 16th century/Baroque techniques, it's probably also 
very similar to the "Real McCoy". If it isn't, it's probably very hard 
to play.



Why do lutenists think the lute must be played with a very specific
approach ?


This only applies to Early Music, where it makes sense.


Why are lots of lutenists looking down at lutenists who are trying to
do something else with the instrument, with other techniques, new
approaches?


Narcissism. Instead of feeling joy, there's joy in the ridicule of 
something. Since you can't ridicule someone for playing 16th century 
music without targeting your own playing, it is just convenient if 
someone leaves the usual paths.
Real musicians are interested in these paths., even if they don't want 
to try them on their own.



What is the future for the lute music if it stays to be that dogmatic ?


It's not that Renaissance or Baroque music would suddenly change...


I guess Dowland and all the other wonderful lutes composers would have
a good laugh with the today's lute world approach to the instrument.


John Dowland would probably still be touring through Europe - in big clubs.



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[LUTE] Music new and old

[Leonard Williams]

   Are my ears deceiving me again?  I'm hearing strains of "We
   Wish You a Merry Christmas" in ML Book Corante (#43, f. 18r, 2nd tune).
Starts at the double bar midway through.  Maybe I need to get the Xmas
   candle wax out of my ears! --


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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

[Charles Moller]

   A number of years ago at the Sydney Conservatorium there was a
   performance called the Two Robert Johnsons, played on lute.

   Regards,
   Charles Moller
   From: Gilbert Isbin 
   To: LS LUTELIST 
   Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2018, 8:34
   Subject: [LUTE] Some questions
 Why is the lute world ruled by early music ?
 Why are 90 or 95% of the lutenists afraid to play new music for the
 lute ?
 Why did guitarists, recorder players, cellists, pianists , oud
   players
 etc. took the challenge to play today's music and the lute world
   almost
 - with a very few exeptions - doesn't ?
 Why are luteplayers afraid to play something different ?
 Why do lutenists think the lute must be played with a very specific
 approach ?
 Why are lots of lutenists looking down at lutenists who are trying to
 do something else with the instrument, with other techniques, new
 approaches?
 What is the future for the lute music if it stays to be that dogmatic
   ?
 I guess Dowland and all the other wonderful lutes composers would
   have
 a good laugh with the today's lute world approach to the instrument.
 With kind regards,
 Met vriendelijke groeten,
 Bien cordialement,
 Gilbert Isbin
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

[howard posner]

> On Mar 14, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Matthew Daillie  wrote:
> 
>  Maybe because, firstly much of the music composed for lute today is
>   incredibly trite and uninteresting when set against the works of the
>   great composers of the renaissance and the baroque period

Wow! You must have heard some of my stuff.



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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

[Matthew Daillie]

   Maybe because, firstly much of the music composed for lute today is
   incredibly trite and uninteresting when set against the works of the
   great composers of the renaissance and the baroque period (personally I
   feel there is so much historic repertory yet to discover that I am not
   at all interested in spending time on second-rate rehash) and secondly,
   the majority of composers writing for lute seem to be completely
   oblivious to all the developments in contemporary music which have led
   to some works of extraordinary beauty and sophistication for
   instruments and formations of all shapes and sizes, a million miles
   away from much of the insipid fodder being pushed our way.
   Best,
   Matthew
On 14/03/2018 22:33, Gilbert Isbin wrote:

Why is the lute world ruled by early music ?
   Why are 90 or 95% of the lutenists afraid to play new music for the
   lute ?
   Why did guitarists, recorder players, cellists, pianists , oud players
   etc. took the challenge to play today's music and the lute world almost
   - with a very few exeptions - doesn't ?
   Why are luteplayers afraid to play something different ?
   Why do lutenists think the lute must be played with a very specific
   approach ?
   Why are lots of lutenists looking down at lutenists who are trying to
   do something else with the instrument, with other techniques, new
   approaches?
   What is the future for the lute music if it stays to be that dogmatic ?
   I guess Dowland and all the other wonderful lutes composers would have
   a good laugh with the today's lute world approach to the instrument.


   With kind regards,

   Met vriendelijke groeten,

   Bien cordialement,
   Gilbert Isbin
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

[Dan Winheld]

   Gilbert;
   I am in full agreement with David van Ooijen and  Joseph Mayes (his
   response copied & pasted below David's for continuity/clarity.
   You obviously do not know me- not your fault, of course, because unlike
   David- a most out-there & publicly active musician I am now pretty much
   retired & private.
   For your information, I own 5 lutes, one vihuela, a steel string and a
   nylon string guitar. In addition to the usual lute music I play the
   music of Astor Piazzolla, Leo Brouwer, and Heitor Villa-Lobos on my
   lutes. I've even done Tarrega's famous tremolo piece "Recuerdas de la
   Alhambra" on my 8 course- STRICTLY for practice/technical studies only.
   For Karmic Reversal purposes I use my Dean 7-string flat-top acoustic
   steel-string guitar exclusively as a fake "Orpharion" -only lute and
   vihuela music on that- it kicks ass!
   " Why are lots of lutenists looking down at lutenists who are trying to
   do something else with the instrument, with other techniques, new
   approaches?"
   Again, for your info, I am fluent not only in "Thumb Under" in various
   sub-variations, I also play Thumb Out with no little finger support
   (late Renn, Baroque, etc. Not the 6 course!). I hear that some
   guitarists, mainly 20th & 21st century ones, also play this way.
   I once played the David Van Ronk version of the St. Louis Tickle on
   Renaissance lute, (Thumb under) at an early LSA lute seminar way back
   in the late 1970's.
   I think you can relax now. Much, much worse things to worry about..:-)
   Dan

   On 3/14/2018 2:56 PM, David van Ooijen wrote:

   Could part of the answer be that you see/hear/know a limited set of
   lute players, a set that tends to gather in this forum, and don't
   see/hear the more broadly minded lute players in this world? Or perhaps
   does this forum tend to talk mostly about hipp lute playing, even
   though many of its members are more broadly oriented? I
   meet/see/talk/know many lute players who play a lot of other music
   besides the canon composed by our beloved and revered Old Ones. I don't
   think playing one kind of music excludes playing another kind of music,
   and I see many colleagues, professional and amateur, although perhaps
   more amongst the first than among the latter, who share my point of
   view. I think the lute playing world exhibits a wide variety of music
   styles that happily coexist.
   I play pop, jazz, contemporary, folk and early music on any of my
   instruments, lutes included, and I know many of my professional
   colleagues who do the same in their concerts, CD recordings and
   privately. It's even a kind of a current fashion, a gimmick or selling
   point: cross-over programmes.
   David


Hello Mr. Isbin

I can only answer your questions from my own perspective - naturally. I have tri
ed to do so below:

From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [2] on behalf of G
ilbert Isbin [3]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:33 PM
To: LS LUTELIST
Subject: [LUTE] Some questions

   Why is the lute world ruled by early music ? Because the lute is considered a
n "early instrument" most if not all of the players were attracted to the instru
ment through its music.
   Why are 90 or 95% of the lutenists afraid to play new music for the
   lute ? This is a poorly stated question, as in, "Are you still on parole?" Ra
ther than ask why lutenists are "afraid" why not ask why they prefer music other
 than new music. For me, I like the style of the older music and despise the pre
tentiousness of some new music.
   Why did guitarists, recorder players, cellists, pianists , oud players
   etc. took the challenge to play today's music and the lute world almost
   - with a very few exeptions - doesn't ? See above response.
   Why are luteplayers afraid to play something different ? Have you stopped bea
ting your mother?
   Why do lutenists think the lute must be played with a very specific
   approach ? Why do contemporary composers think "pretty" is a pejorative?
   Why are lots of lutenists looking down at lutenists who are trying to
   do something else with the instrument, with other techniques, new
   approaches? Again - poorly stated question. You ask why something that may or
 may not be true is true. Like my asking why all composers insist on writing for
 de-tuned mandolin?
  What is the future for the lute music if it stays to be that dogmatic ? Good q
uestion.
   I guess Dowland and all the other wonderful lutes composers would have
   a good laugh with the today's lute world approach to the instrument. If Dowla
nd et al heard new music I believe they would choose another line of work.

 On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 at 22:34, Gilbert Isbin
   [4]<[1]gilbert.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why is the lute world ruled by early music ?
Why are 90 or 95% of the lutenists afraid to play new music for
 the
lute ?
Why did 

[LUTE] Re: Some questions

[Mark Seifert]

   Dear Mr. Isbin,
   I admire your hard work and innovative approach.  Emphasis on
   improvisation is
   a great way to bring the lute back into the modern world.
   A major hurdle is that people seem to gravitate toward
   the familiar.  Kids nowadays seem to want their ears blasted
   out and emotional catharsis via heavy metal--maybe you can help change
   that.
   Sadly, lacking skills, I fear playing any and all music in public.  Too
   nervous.
   Regarding new music, I plead incompetence.  Music after 1770
   is beyond my technical reach, though I like hearing Copland, de Falla,
   Burmer, Holst,
   Debussy, Rimsky-Korsakoff, Borodin, anything that conjures pleasant
   emotions
   and wonder/mystery.  Music is not an intellectual exercise to me, which
   is partly
   why I can't be a professional musician.  Music provides an escape from
   the horrible
   reality of this world.
   I hate reading standard notation, preferring tablature
   always.  Incompetence again,
   or lack of time to pick through annoying accidentals.
   I don't like most 19th century composers, the standard fare
   of the Symphony, because their pieces are way too long!  Who has time
   nowadays to sit
   for hours listening to their ponderous monstrosities?  All I can handle
   is about
   two-three minutes per piece.
   Finally, as a pathologist, I like the "decomposing composers"
   memorialized by
   Monty Python.  "There is less of them every year.  You can say what you
   want
   to Debussy, but there isn't much of him left to hear."
   Hi regards,
   Mark Seifert M.D.
   On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 2:34 PM, Gilbert Isbin
    wrote:
 Why is the lute world ruled by early music ?
 Why are 90 or 95% of the lutenists afraid to play new music for the
 lute ?
 Why did guitarists, recorder players, cellists, pianists , oud
   players
 etc. took the challenge to play today's music and the lute world
   almost
 - with a very few exeptions - doesn't ?
 Why are luteplayers afraid to play something different ?
 Why do lutenists think the lute must be played with a very specific
 approach ?
 Why are lots of lutenists looking down at lutenists who are trying to
 do something else with the instrument, with other techniques, new
 approaches?
 What is the future for the lute music if it stays to be that dogmatic
   ?
 I guess Dowland and all the other wonderful lutes composers would
   have
 a good laugh with the today's lute world approach to the instrument.
 With kind regards,
 Met vriendelijke groeten,
 Bien cordialement,
 Gilbert Isbin
 [1]www.gilbertisbin.com
 [2][1]gilbert.is...@gmail.com
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

[r . turovsky]

Well said, Joe.
RT

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 14, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Mayes, Joseph  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mr. Isbin
> 
> I can only answer your questions from my own perspective - naturally. I have 
> tried to do so below:
> 
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  on behalf of 
> Gilbert Isbin 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:33 PM
> To: LS LUTELIST
> Subject: [LUTE] Some questions
> 
>   Why is the lute world ruled by early music ? Because the lute is considered 
> an "early instrument" most if not all of the players were attracted to the 
> instrument through its music.
>   Why are 90 or 95% of the lutenists afraid to play new music for the
>   lute ? This is a poorly stated question, as in, "Are you still on parole?" 
> Rather than ask why lutenists are "afraid" why not ask why they prefer music 
> other than new music. For me, I like the style of the older music and despise 
> the pretentiousness of some new music.
>   Why did guitarists, recorder players, cellists, pianists , oud players
>   etc. took the challenge to play today's music and the lute world almost
>   - with a very few exeptions - doesn't ? See above response.
>   Why are luteplayers afraid to play something different ? Have you stopped 
> beating your mother?
>   Why do lutenists think the lute must be played with a very specific
>   approach ? Why do contemporary composers think "pretty" is a pejorative?
>   Why are lots of lutenists looking down at lutenists who are trying to
>   do something else with the instrument, with other techniques, new
>   approaches? Again - poorly stated question. You ask why something that may 
> or may not be true is true. Like my asking why all composers insist on 
> writing for de-tuned mandolin?
>  What is the future for the lute music if it stays to be that dogmatic ? Good 
> question.
>   I guess Dowland and all the other wonderful lutes composers would have
>   a good laugh with the today's lute world approach to the instrument. If 
> Dowland et al heard new music I believe they would choose another line of 
> work.
> 
> 
>   With kind regards,
> 
>   Met vriendelijke groeten,
> 
>   Bien cordialement,
>   Gilbert Isbin
>   [1]www.gilbertisbin.com
>   [2]gilbert.is...@gmail.com
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

[Leonard Williams]

   I prefer to play music of the 16th c. on my lute, but one should
   remember that during its heyday (some 250 years?) the lute, its players
   and its composers adapted: five courses to 14, new tunings, new styles.
What would Dalza think of Weiss? Or of the chordal structure of the
   "modern" compositions?

   Regards,

   Leonard Williams
   -Original Message-
   From: Wim Loos 
   To: gilbert.isbin 
   Cc: LuteNet list 
   Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2018 5:56 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
   A great number of instruments survived the ages since composers and
   players wrote music and applied techincs that fitted the spirit of that
   moment. So why not the lute.
   It's a challenge for contemporary composers to make modern music for
   this beatifull instrument. Do not only look back, but have an eye in
   the future.
   Gilbert you are a good example from the new generation of lute
   composers.
   Best regards,
   Wim Loos
   Op 14 mrt. 2018 22:34 schreef "Gilbert Isbin"
   <[1][1]gilbert.is...@gmail.com>:
   Why is the lute world ruled by early music ?
   Why are 90 or 95% of the lutenists afraid to play new music for
   the
   lute ?
   Why did guitarists, recorder players, cellists, pianists , oud
   players
   etc. took the challenge to play today's music and the lute world
   almost
   - with a very few exeptions - doesn't ?
   Why are luteplayers afraid to play something different ?
   Why do lutenists think the lute must be played with a very
   specific
   approach ?
   Why are lots of lutenists looking down at lutenists who are
   trying to
   do something else with the instrument, with other techniques, new
   approaches?
   What is the future for the lute music if it stays to be that
   dogmatic ?
   I guess Dowland and all the other wonderful lutes composers would
   have
   a good laugh with the today's lute world approach to the
   instrument.
   With kind regards,
   Met vriendelijke groeten,
   Bien cordialement,
   Gilbert Isbin
   [1][2][2]www.gilbertisbin.com
   [2][3][3]gilbert.is...@gmail.com
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

[David van Ooijen]

   Could part of the answer be that you see/hear/know a limited set of
   lute players, a set that tends to gather in this forum, and don't
   see/hear the more broadly minded lute players in this world? Or perhaps
   does this forum tend to talk mostly about hipp lute playing, even
   though many of its members are more broadly oriented? I
   meet/see/talk/know many lute players who play a lot of other music
   besides the canon composed by our beloved and revered Old Ones. I don't
   think playing one kind of music excludes playing another kind of music,
   and I see many colleagues, professional and amateur, although perhaps
   more amongst the first than among the latter, who share my point of
   view. I think the lute playing world exhibits a wide variety of music
   styles that happily coexist.
   I play pop, jazz, contemporary, folk and early music on any of my
   instruments, lutes included, and I know many of my professional
   colleagues who do the same in their concerts, CD recordings and
   privately. It's even a kind of a current fashion, a gimmick or selling
   point: cross-over programmes.
   David
   On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 at 22:34, Gilbert Isbin
   <[1]gilbert.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why is the lute world ruled by early music ?
Why are 90 or 95% of the lutenists afraid to play new music for
 the
lute ?
Why did guitarists, recorder players, cellists, pianists , oud
 players
etc. took the challenge to play today's music and the lute world
 almost
- with a very few exeptions - doesn't ?
Why are luteplayers afraid to play something different ?
Why do lutenists think the lute must be played with a very
 specific
approach ?
Why are lots of lutenists looking down at lutenists who are
 trying to
do something else with the instrument, with other techniques, new
approaches?
What is the future for the lute music if it stays to be that
 dogmatic ?
I guess Dowland and all the other wonderful lutes composers would
 have
a good laugh with the today's lute world approach to the
 instrument.
With kind regards,
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Bien cordialement,
Gilbert Isbin
[1][2]www.gilbertisbin.com
[2][3]gilbert.is...@gmail.com
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

[Wim Loos]

   A great number of instruments survived the ages since composers and
   players wrote music and applied techincs that fitted the spirit of that
   moment. So why not the lute.
   It's a challenge for contemporary composers to make modern music for
   this beatifull instrument. Do not only look back, but have an eye in
   the future.
   Gilbert you are a good example from the new generation of lute
   composers.
   Best regards,
   Wim Loos

   Op 14 mrt. 2018 22:34 schreef "Gilbert Isbin"
   <[1]gilbert.is...@gmail.com>:

Why is the lute world ruled by early music ?
Why are 90 or 95% of the lutenists afraid to play new music for
 the
lute ?
Why did guitarists, recorder players, cellists, pianists , oud
 players
etc. took the challenge to play today's music and the lute world
 almost
- with a very few exeptions - doesn't ?
Why are luteplayers afraid to play something different ?
Why do lutenists think the lute must be played with a very
 specific
approach ?
Why are lots of lutenists looking down at lutenists who are
 trying to
do something else with the instrument, with other techniques, new
approaches?
What is the future for the lute music if it stays to be that
 dogmatic ?
I guess Dowland and all the other wonderful lutes composers would
 have
a good laugh with the today's lute world approach to the
 instrument.
With kind regards,
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Bien cordialement,
Gilbert Isbin
[1][2]www.gilbertisbin.com
[2][3]gilbert.is...@gmail.com
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

[Mayes, Joseph]

Hello Mr. Isbin

I can only answer your questions from my own perspective - naturally. I have 
tried to do so below:

From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  on behalf of 
Gilbert Isbin 
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:33 PM
To: LS LUTELIST
Subject: [LUTE] Some questions

   Why is the lute world ruled by early music ? Because the lute is considered 
an "early instrument" most if not all of the players were attracted to the 
instrument through its music.
   Why are 90 or 95% of the lutenists afraid to play new music for the
   lute ? This is a poorly stated question, as in, "Are you still on parole?" 
Rather than ask why lutenists are "afraid" why not ask why they prefer music 
other than new music. For me, I like the style of the older music and despise 
the pretentiousness of some new music.
   Why did guitarists, recorder players, cellists, pianists , oud players
   etc. took the challenge to play today's music and the lute world almost
   - with a very few exeptions - doesn't ? See above response.
   Why are luteplayers afraid to play something different ? Have you stopped 
beating your mother?
   Why do lutenists think the lute must be played with a very specific
   approach ? Why do contemporary composers think "pretty" is a pejorative?
   Why are lots of lutenists looking down at lutenists who are trying to
   do something else with the instrument, with other techniques, new
   approaches? Again - poorly stated question. You ask why something that may 
or may not be true is true. Like my asking why all composers insist on writing 
for de-tuned mandolin?
  What is the future for the lute music if it stays to be that dogmatic ? Good 
question.
   I guess Dowland and all the other wonderful lutes composers would have
   a good laugh with the today's lute world approach to the instrument. If 
Dowland et al heard new music I believe they would choose another line of work.


   With kind regards,

   Met vriendelijke groeten,

   Bien cordialement,
   Gilbert Isbin
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[LUTE] Some questions

[Gilbert Isbin]

   Why is the lute world ruled by early music ?
   Why are 90 or 95% of the lutenists afraid to play new music for the
   lute ?
   Why did guitarists, recorder players, cellists, pianists , oud players
   etc. took the challenge to play today's music and the lute world almost
   - with a very few exeptions - doesn't ?
   Why are luteplayers afraid to play something different ?
   Why do lutenists think the lute must be played with a very specific
   approach ?
   Why are lots of lutenists looking down at lutenists who are trying to
   do something else with the instrument, with other techniques, new
   approaches?
   What is the future for the lute music if it stays to be that dogmatic ?
   I guess Dowland and all the other wonderful lutes composers would have
   a good laugh with the today's lute world approach to the instrument.


   With kind regards,

   Met vriendelijke groeten,

   Bien cordialement,
   Gilbert Isbin
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[LUTE] Re: Lute sighting !

[Gilbert Isbin]

   âI totally agree with you Ron.

   With kind regards,

   Met vriendelijke groeten,

   Bien cordialement,
   Gilbert Isbin
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   2018-03-14 21:16 GMT+01:00 Ron Andrico <[3]praelu...@hotmail.com>:

Two points.
1) Many people still don't seem to know what a lute is, nor do
 they
appreciate that the relatively delicate sound (even played into a
microphone) does not make the lute a poor substitute for a
 guitar.
2) In the video clip, Sting didn't appear to be inclined to even
mention that he was playing a lute.   He just played as though it
 didn't
need commentary.
I like number 2.   I don't like number 1.
RA
  
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Subject: [LUTE] Lute sighting !
[1][7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2Y4VCa3qE=
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[3]YOU CAN CLOSE YOUR EYES by Sting - YouTube
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[LUTE] Re: Lute sighting !

[howard posner]

> On Mar 14, 2018, at 9:13 AM, G. C.  wrote:
> 
>   Sweet,
>   but what is that cool looking guitar he's playing on?
>   G.

If you read the comments below the video, you’ll learn that it’s a "wholly 
unnecessary art-fart gizmo which does no service to what could be a lovely 
song.”

Also a lute, theorbo, psaltery and a few other things.



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[LUTE] Re: Lute sighting !

[Martyn Hodgson]

   Thanks Wayne,
   Relevant to the recent thread about fretting, is that this clip shows
   his first (single) fret so loose that it's  moving around to an
   alarming degree! I don't think he noticed...
   Martyn
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   Subject: [LUTE] Lute sighting !
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[LUTE] Re: Lute sighting !

[G. C.]

   Sweet,
   but what is that cool looking guitar he's playing on?
   G.

   On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Wayne <[1]wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   wrote:

 [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2Y4VCa3qE=
 PLD098564FDA884E25
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[LUTE] recording lute on a Zoom H1n

[William Walton]

   Hello folks,


   Have any of you tried recording solo lute pieces on an Zoom H1n Handy
   Recorder?


   If so, what was your experience, and how did you get your best results?


   Thanks,


   Brad

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[LUTE] Lute sighting !

[Wayne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2Y4VCa3qE=PLD098564FDA884E25

Sting sings James Taylor. (;-)





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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Melchior Pichler (1695-?1780?)

[Markus Lutz]

Dear friends,
yesterday the substantial article of Johannes Agustsson on Joseph Johann 
Adam von Liechtenstein was published. This noble man was not only a 
patron of Vivaldi, but he also employed a composer and musician, whose 
works are very widely known also in the lute world:

Johann Melchior Pichler (1695-1780?).
He most probably is 'our' Pichler.

Also Agustsson mentions Johann Georg Orschler (Orsler), of whom we have 
a work with lute in Haslemere:

http://www.cini.it/en/publications/studi-vivaldiani-17 (in English).

Herzliche Grüße
Markus




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