Stephen, you continue to amaze and inspire me. Yes, you are not Nigel
North or some other name player, but you are a good player with
laudable humility, and I am very happy to sit here doing my emails and
Facebook rants ;-) while listening to your playlist. It is reminding me
what a
A monumental undertaking! Kudos for this effort. The first two pieces, at
least, are very nice. I'm looking forward to digesting more.
Best,
Eugene
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of
stephen arndt
Sent: Friday, May 13,
, and the long-winded variant of No. 33 in the Cosens
Lute Book (mentioned by Jean-Marie).
Arthur.
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From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net
To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:02 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Francesco da
Let me be very clear, I'm not saying I was misunderstood, I'm saying
I didn't say it.
Sorry I misunderstood you and the intended thrust of your comments.
Perhaps it would have under the circumstances been advisable to change the
subject heading, because I mistakenly saw your message as being
David,
I have no wish to discuss this matter any further. AJN
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From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net
To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Francesco da Milano - Ness 33
Let me be very
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From: dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us
To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 8:09 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Francesco da Milano - Ness 33
BIG SNIP
imitation will often change the intervals as the harmony demands that,
yes
Snip
David Tayler is mistaken when he claims that I evened up uneven passages
in Francesco's music. No serious editor of early music would ever do
something like that.
Snip
Actually, I never said anything of the sort, nor would I. All of the
material in your edition is in the critical
Somebody needs to find you some better scotch.
Here! here!
lots of scotch vendors in the hamptons, but few of them carry any single
malt, my mothers favorite, and something I didnt inherit enough of to
develop any taste for (yet).
I picked a piece, Mille Regretz, that doesn't start on a rest,
Snip
If someone wants to play freely the
beginning is ok, of course, but we have to think a little more about
the music written by Francesco and in general about the writing and the
performance practice of the counterpoint in the first half of the
Sixteenth-century.
Snip
This is
When making a scholarly edition, let's just include a facsimile of
each and every version, digitally. Total information; no paper
wasted. Isn't that the best way? What could be better?
Anything less is relegating the alternate versions to the scrap heap
of history. And in the
Snip
I am minded of the editions of Ogni Sorte, not only are they presented in
original notation and parts as well as score, but also the editions focus
on specific themes, eg, De tous biens plains, all 28 known versions by all
composers. (See _De tous Biens Plaine_, Cynthia J Cyrus, A-R
And don't play you Ogni Sorte on you Liuto Forte!
dt
At 06:25 PM 11/30/2010, you wrote:
If the van Ghizeghem's rockin' don't come Tandernaken!
On Nov 30, 2010, at 5:56 PM, David Tayler wrote:
Snip
I am minded of the editions of Ogni Sorte, not only are they
presented in
original notation
It may be that the Scotch is too good.
Hey, I didn't invent the Liuto Forte, but there is one for sale on
Wayne's list.
dt
The what? the who?
Somebody needs to find you some better scotch.
On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:32 PM, David Tayler wrote:
And don't play you Ogni Sorte on you Liuto Forte!
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From: Susanne Herre [1]mandolinens...@web.de
To: Lute List [2]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 9:43 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Francesco da Milano - Ness 33
Thank you for all your responses!
Sorry I didn't write clearly
...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 9:43 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Francesco da Milano - Ness 33
Thank you for all your responses!
Sorry I didn't write clearly.
I know of three versions which were kindly given to me by David van
Oijen
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From: Susanne Herre [1]mandolinens...@web.de
To: Lute List [2]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 9:43 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Francesco da Milano - Ness 33
Thank you for all your responses!
Sorry I didn't write clearly
I defer to Arthur in all things Francesco, however as an issue of
performance practice, not musicology, I still hold that the beginning
of a piece may be in free time, and that there is no urtext or
composer's intent except in very rare cases (Byrd).
As we can see from John and Robert Dowland,
,
Susanne
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From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net
To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 7:30 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Francesco da Milano - Ness 33
There are several issues here.
The first is that the opening note may
Basically, if you look at all the sources for renaissance music,
including lute music, you will see many pieces that begin and end
with the equivalent of a longa, and that the time for these notes, as
well as those at medial cadences, can be free.
Looking again at the sources, if you look at
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
From: vidan...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Francesco da Milano - Ness 33
Basically, if you look at all the sources for renaissance music,
including lute music, you will see many pieces that begin and end
with the equivalent of a longa
, 2010 3:49 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Francesco da Milano - Ness 33
Fine, Peter, but 34 is another story altogether, isn't it ? La Compagna,
perfect, but not La Sosia ;-). The contrapuntal oprtions in the
introductory motive are slightly, but significantly different. It seems
impossible to me
There are several issues here.
The first is that the opening note may be said to have an implied
coronoa, or fermata in the historical sense, creating a time free
zone (TFZ) which may be played longer or shorter, or with graces
appropriate to beginning a piece.
The mss sources support this. In
correction: Sorry, I meant the values of the second and third note of the
first motif respectively the first bar in general...
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From: Susanne Herre mandolinens...@web.de
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:49 AM
Subject:
Dear Susanne,
I don't understand your point here. The answer to your question is in the
contrantunpal writing itself : Francesco imitates his initial motive note for
note (2nd and 3rd bars) and he doesn't use an upbeat to do that, which
certainly means that he intended it exactly like it is,
Same argument ! Listen to the counterpoint...
Best,
JM
=
== En réponse au message du 24-11-2010, 11:27:59 ==
correction: Sorry, I meant the values of the second and third note of the
first motif respectively the first bar in general...
- Original
Fine, Peter, but 34 is another story altogether, isn't it ? La Compagna,
perfect, but not La Sosia ;-). The contrapuntal oprtions in the introductory
motive are slightly, but significantly different. It seems impossible to me to
adopt the same rhythmical symetry (semibreve, quarter, quarter) in
Sorry, read options instead of oprtions... ;-(
=
== En réponse au message du 24-11-2010, 15:50:00 ==
Fine, Peter, but 34 is another story altogether, isn't it ? La Compagna,
perfect, but not La Sosia ;-). The contrapuntal oprtions in the introductory
motive
Milanese', fols. 30v-31 from the Libro Secondo, Intavolatura de viola
ovvero lauto (Naples, 1536).
As Diana Poulton explains,
it is printed in the very rare form of tablature known as 'Intavolatura
alla Napolitana': the stave is the same way up as in French tablature
but the open course is
Dear Manolo,
That's No. 14 in the HUP edition. (begins: I:1
II:4/III:4 II:1 |) A different version.
I didn't know that Mrs. Poulton knew about the Naples
print. Neapolitan
tablature makes some people very angry. It's so near,
yet so far from their experiences with Italian
tablature, if they've
Dear Arthur,
thank you very much for your interesting information.
Although Mrs. Poulton warns about the misbounding of the Sulzbachius
print at the end of his tutor, where she lists the sources, it is nice
that you comment it here, so that everybody is warned.
In her tutor this piece appears
Caroline wrote:
Francesco's birthday is coming up - Aug. 18. What will you be doing?
Playing his music on the lute under the stars in NW Pennsylvania.
Craig
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, Caroline Usher wrote:
Francesco's birthday is coming up - Aug. 18. What will you be doing?
The third day has come and gone, but we can still hope for his
resurrection. Maybe all it takes is collective hope on the 18th. Do we
need to set a time?
Peter.
Caroline
Playing Francesco's music could be a good choice. I found a nice longer
fantasia in the Lute in Italy collection - I think I will prepare it
for his birthday.
Best wishes
Thomas
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Celebrating my birthday... :)
Alain
Caroline Usher wrote:
Francesco's birthday is coming up - Aug. 18. What will you be doing?
Caroline
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From: Caroline Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:06 am
Subject: [LUTE] Francesco da Milano
Francesco's birthday is coming up - Aug. 18. What will you be doing?
Fishing on a remote lake in Ontario.
Eugene
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--- Caroline Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Francesco's birthday is coming up - Aug. 18. What
will you be doing?
Caroline
Caroline Usher
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On Aug 10, 2006, at 11:41 AM, EUGENE BRAIG IV wrote:
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From: Caroline Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:06 am
Subject: [LUTE] Francesco da Milano
Caroline wrote...
Francesco's birthday is coming up - Aug. 18. What will you be doing?
I just checked my diary and, I have a 'window'...
Uh-ho... - This is not another office 'whip-round'is it?
Oh, - Francesco da Milano...In that case, a world-wide lute fest? Count me
in. Any suggestions?
Absolutely...or at least nylon is authentic to the 20th c. The Treatyse
of Fyshynge wyth an Angle (anon. 1496, in The Book of St. Albans, attr.
Dame Juliana Berners) and Isaak Walton (1654, The Compleat Angler), amongst
others, would have me dye and plait strands of horse tail. No thank
you!
At 05:26 PM 8/10/2006, Ron Fletcher wrote:
Caroline wrote...
Francesco's birthday is coming up - Aug. 18. What will you be doing?
Oh, - Francesco da Milano...In that case, a world-wide lute fest? Count me
in. Any suggestions? Do we all play the same piece. Or, do we each play
our favorite?
How about a MP3 collection of our favorite Francesco. I would offer to
organize it ...
All the best
Thomas
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. August 2006 23:26
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Francesco da Milano
: Francesco da Milano
Caroline wrote...
Francesco's birthday is coming up - Aug. 18. What will you be doing?
I just checked my diary and, I have a 'window'...
Uh-ho... - This is not another office 'whip-round'is it?
Oh, - Francesco da Milano...In that case, a world-wide lute fest? Count
Caroline wrote...
Francesco's birthday is coming up - Aug. 18. What will you be doing?
In Cleveland seminar bookstore I bought 2 Francesco's Minkoff facsimiles,
and I didn't have time enough, even to open them since then...may be THAT's
the day I will!
Laura
PS: I like Thomas
- Original Message -
From: Caroline Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:06 am
Subject: [LUTE] Francesco da Milano
Francesco's birthday is coming up - Aug. 18. What will you
be doing?
Sorry, my birthday is Jan. 23... I guess I'll drink a glass of Prosecco
Francesco's birthday is coming up - Aug. 18. What will you
be doing?
Sorry, my birthday is Jan. 23... I guess I'll drink a glass of Prosecco when
the time will arrive
And so will I. That Friday will be my and my daughter's one but last day
in Incekum, Turkey. I shall have my descant lute
On Aug 10, 2006, at 5:38 PM, Caroline Usher wrote:
Serenading oneself under the stars, celebrating one's own birthday,
playing the Ripper (the gall!), even going fishing. . . . What, is
no one going to spread the Gospel of Francesco to a needy world?
Do I have to do everything
Lately I've been knee-deep in the Marsh book but, lo and behold, there on p.
98 and again on 228
Got my pizza fixin's ready, Persieds lined up under a full moon (alas) and
we're good to go. Probably the closest I'll get to fishing is deciding against
the anchovies.
Sean
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