[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

2018-02-04 Thread Tristan von Neumann
You may be right! The ceterone is folksy cittern-like in sound, yet dark in the register. If one considers the other instrumentation ideas, and that the score is actually a conscious description of how the muscial drama was colored according to the scenes, I would find that plausible. Am 05.0

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2018-02-04 Thread howard posner
> On Feb 3, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > Since the colors of the Underworld are very different, I would rule out the > "et cetera". I think this is actually the second-best reason for ruling out the ceteroni. If their purpose is to sound underworldly, they would play i

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

2018-02-03 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Since there were Ceteroni in that time period, and because of the fact that Monteverdi made clear his continuo colors (though this is a documentation, not a recommendation), I would opt for real Ceteroni. Since the colors of the Underworld are very different, I would rule out the "et cetera".

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2018-02-03 Thread howard posner
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Nancy Carlin > wrote: > > Several years back there was an interview with Peter Forrester in the LSA > Quarterly that included a picture of that type of cittern, which I believe is > also called for in some Monteverdi. When I was studying musicology back c1970 >

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2018-02-02 Thread Alain Veylit
father(?) was Giraolamo Virchi (or de Virchi) a maker of citterns     Martyn ---     ---     From: Alain Veylit <[1]al...@musickshandmade.com>     Date: 28 January 2018 at 19:01     Subject: [LUTE] Re:

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

2018-02-02 Thread Tristan von Neumann
   His father(?) was Giraolamo Virchi (or de Virchi) a maker of citterns     Martyn ---     ---     From: Alain Veylit <[1]al...@musickshandmade.com>     Date: 28 January 2018 at 19:01     Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Cit

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

2018-02-01 Thread Alain Veylit
---     ---     From: Alain Veylit <[1]al...@musickshandmade.com>     Date: 28 January 2018 at 19:01     Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]     To: Lute List <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>     Hi all,     I revised a transcription I made some time ago of P.P. Melli's Balletto     del Ardito Gr

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

2018-02-01 Thread Tristan von Neumann
    Martyn ---     ---     From: Alain Veylit <[1]al...@musickshandmade.com>     Date: 28 January 2018 at 19:01     Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]     To: Lute List <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>     H

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

2018-02-01 Thread Nancy Carlin
Giraolamo Virchi (or de Virchi) a maker of citterns Martyn --- --- From: Alain Veylit <[1]al...@musickshandmade.com> Date: 28 January 2018 at 19:01 Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

2018-02-01 Thread Andreas Schlegel
Balli. Raccolta da diversi > autori et nuovamente stampati (Venice, [Italy]: Giacomo Vincenti, > 1602). > > Gary might know more about it. > > Monica > > > Original Message > From: hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Date: 01/02/2018 11:34 > To: "

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2018-02-01 Thread mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu
edu Date: 01/02/2018 11:34 To: "Lutelist Net", "al...@musickshandmade.com" Subj: [LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata] Dear Alain, Perhaps Virgo is actually (Paolo) Virchi (1551 - 1610)? His father(?) was Giraolamo Virchi (or de Vir

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

2018-02-01 Thread mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu
See Hartig, Andrew – The wire connection. In L.S.A. Quarterly, Vol XLV, no. 2, Summer 2010. Monica Original Message From: hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: 01/02/2018 11:34 To: "Lutelist Net", "al...@musickshandmade.com" Subj: [LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata] D

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

2018-02-01 Thread Tristan von Neumann
One normally thinks that instruments of that time were mostly exchangeable if the range of notes is suitable. In this case, it would make sense to assume a deliberate addition of "attack" to the viol by mixing it with the mainly "attack" sound of the harp. Of course only if they sit close to eac

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

2018-02-01 Thread Martyn Hodgson
]al...@musickshandmade.com> Date: 28 January 2018 at 19:01 Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata] To: Lute List <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Hi all, I revised a transcription I made some time ago of P.P. Melli's Balletto del Ardito Gracioso (1616), a suite for 9 instruments, including

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

2018-01-28 Thread Alain Veylit
Hi all, I revised a transcription I made some time ago of P.P. Melli's Balletto del Ardito Gracioso (1616),  a suite for 9 instruments, including 3 (arch)lutes and a citara tiorbata "cordatura del Signor Virgo). I am still struggling with the tuning of that instrument which was apparently mor