Re: Beta 2 (before public announce)

2007-04-21 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Neal Becker wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: José Matos wrote: On Sunday 22 April 2007 12:06:38 am Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Do you have a better recipe? because I cannot reproduce here... Funny, it gets even better, because it is a display problem, if you return to the formula the results

Re: Beta 2 (before public announce)

2007-04-21 Thread Neal Becker
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > José Matos wrote: >> On Sunday 22 April 2007 12:06:38 am Abdelrazak Younes wrote: >>> Do you have a better recipe? because I cannot reproduce here... >> >> Funny, it gets even better, because it is a display problem, if you >> return >> to the formula the results sh

Re: Beta 2 (before public announce)

2007-04-21 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
José Matos wrote: On Sunday 22 April 2007 12:06:38 am Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Do you have a better recipe? because I cannot reproduce here... Funny, it gets even better, because it is a display problem, if you return to the formula the results shows again. I am trying to make a reprodu

Re: Beta 2 (before public announce)

2007-04-21 Thread José Matos
On Sunday 22 April 2007 12:06:38 am Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > Do you have a better recipe? because I cannot reproduce here... Funny, it gets even better, because it is a display problem, if you return to the formula the results shows again. I am trying to make a reproduceable recipe but I

Re: Beta 2 (before public announce)

2007-04-21 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
José Matos wrote: On Saturday 21 April 2007 11:22:27 pm Neal Becker wrote: 5. mathed seems real flaky. Click on a formula. Try adding \sqrt{2} to the end. It is displayed, but as soon as I click outside the formula it disappears. Funny, I know why I did not notice before, this only fails

Re: Beta 2 (before public announce)

2007-04-21 Thread José Matos
On Saturday 21 April 2007 11:22:27 pm Neal Becker wrote: > > Cool. > > 1. Built OK on linux fedora fc6. All the release process was tested on this distribution, I would be really surprised if it did not work. ;-) > 2. Starts OK. > > 3. Open a document. Click on some math. Don't see any math

Re: Beta 2 (before public announce)

2007-04-21 Thread Neal Becker
José Matos wrote: > Hi all, > as I have promissed the second beta is available from > http://www.lyx.org/~jamatos/lyx-1.5/ > > I would appreciate if either Jean-Marc or Lars could copy them to > ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/pre/ > > As soon as the transfer is done I will send an announce and

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-21 Thread Michael Gerz
Georg Baum schrieb: Am Samstag, 21. April 2007 13:26 schrieb Michael Gerz: If you speak about gbrief2: there are no real style changes. There were so many changes that I lost track, and compared an older tree with the current state. There were spelling changes in style names (Adress

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-21 Thread Georg Baum
Am Samstag, 21. April 2007 13:26 schrieb Michael Gerz: > If you speak about gbrief2: there are no real style changes. There were so many changes that I lost track, and compared an older tree with the current state. There were spelling changes in style names (Adress -> Address). I rechecked with

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-21 Thread Michael Gerz
Georg Baum schrieb: Michael Gerz wrote: What file format change are you talking about? Does it still break backwards compatibility? AFAIK yes. Renaming styles is a fileformat change unless you use the "obsoletedby" (spelling?) feature. Which were the styles that we renamed? If yo

Re: Beta 2 someday? -> plan

2007-04-21 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007, José Matos wrote: Jose is but he could use some help from you and Christian I guess :-) Every little bit helps. :-) A public thank you to Uwe and Christian for the help given processing the relevant information. :-) The credit goes to Uwe! Thanks Uwe, /Christian --

Re: Beta 2 someday? -> plan

2007-04-21 Thread José Matos
On Monday 16 April 2007 10:26:28 am Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Uwe Stöhr wrote: > > I'm a bit worried about how you discussed this topic, so let me propose > > a plan: > > > > 1. We've made a HUGE step forward toward LyX 1.5.0 since beta 1, so put > > the beta 2 out now! > >We need more people

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-21 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, José Matos wrote: On Friday 20 April 2007 3:48:02 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, José Matos wrote: Since I will be busy today, and I still need to update the ANNOUNCE and NEWS files I will release beta 2 tomorrow. Should I make some wiki page that "inc

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-21 Thread José Matos
On Saturday 21 April 2007 9:12:20 am [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, José Matos wrote: > >> The first page belongs to the now obsolete/crashed/deleted development > >> wiki. > > > > The page is now not only obsolete but also redundant. :-) > > Good - I've erased its contents and pl

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-21 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, José Matos wrote: The first page belongs to the now obsolete/crashed/deleted development wiki. The page is now not only obsolete but also redundant. :-) Good - I've erased its contents and placed a note about it. /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-20 Thread José Matos
On Friday 20 April 2007 3:57:47 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, José Matos wrote: > > Hi, > > I am preparing to tag and release beta 2. > > > > I took this chance and I have documented the procedure in > > http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/ReleaseProcedure > > Did you check the f

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-20 Thread José Matos
On Friday 20 April 2007 3:48:02 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, José Matos wrote: > > Since I will be busy today, and I still need to update the ANNOUNCE and > > NEWS files I will release beta 2 tomorrow. > > Should I make some wiki page that "includes" the ANNOUNCE and NEWS fil

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-20 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, José Matos wrote: Hi, I am preparing to tag and release beta 2. I took this chance and I have documented the procedure in http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/ReleaseProcedure Did you check the following page? http://wiki.lyx.org/devel/pmwiki.php/Devel/Relea

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-20 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, José Matos wrote: Since I will be busy today, and I still need to update the ANNOUNCE and NEWS files I will release beta 2 tomorrow. Should I make some wiki page that "includes" the ANNOUNCE and NEWS files? (Or will those automatically appear at www.lyx.org?) /Christian

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-20 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 19 April 2007 6:11:06 pm José Matos wrote: > Hi, > I am preparing to tag and release beta 2. > > I took this chance and I have documented the procedure in > http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/ReleaseProcedure > > I will fix it during the way. :-) > > So if you have someth

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-20 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Richard Heck wrote: Edwin Leuven wrote: José Matos wrote: Hi, I am preparing to tag and release beta 2. So if you have something that is really, really, really urgent speak now or wait for post beta 2. :-) the math toolbar stuff? I'm new, so don't listen to me, So why are spea

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-19 Thread Edwin Leuven
patch 3 (small): http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/17869 adjust a couple of icons dimensions to avoid the problems enrico saw (we probably need more of these)

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-19 Thread Edwin Leuven
2nd patch: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/17868 adds the menus and panels

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-19 Thread Edwin Leuven
first patch is in: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/17867 this one introduces the toolbar backend refactoring

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-19 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 19 April 2007 6:11:06 pm José Matos wrote: > Hi, > I am preparing to tag and release beta 2. > > I took this chance and I have documented the procedure in > http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/ReleaseProcedure > > I will fix it during the way. :-) > > So if you have someth

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-19 Thread Edwin Leuven
José Matos wrote: On Thursday 19 April 2007 7:13:05 pm Edwin Leuven wrote: > So if you have something that is really, really, really > urgent speak now or wait for post beta 2. :-) the math toolbar stuff? Put it in. great! i will also remove math panel (which is redundant now) u

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-19 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 19 April 2007 7:13:05 pm Edwin Leuven wrote: > > > >So if you have something that is really, really, really > > urgent speak now or wait for post beta 2. :-) > > the math toolbar stuff? Put it in. -- José Abílio

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-19 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 04:04:26PM +0200, Edwin Leuven wrote: > Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > The patch works with Qt 4.1 but for some reason the \leqq and \geqq > > symbols (the first two symbols in "AMS Relations") are displayed as > > \leq and \geq (see attached qt414.png). > > and with the atta

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-19 Thread Richard Heck
Edwin Leuven wrote: > José Matos wrote: >> Hi, >> I am preparing to tag and release beta 2. > > So if you have something that is really, really, really > > urgent speak now or wait for post beta 2. :-) > > the math toolbar stuff? I'm new, so don't listen to me, but I'd agree. This is

Re: Beta 2 (preliminar work)

2007-04-19 Thread Edwin Leuven
José Matos wrote: Hi, I am preparing to tag and release beta 2. >So if you have something that is really, really, really > urgent speak now or wait for post beta 2. :-) the math toolbar stuff?

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-19 Thread José Matos
On Friday 13 April 2007 5:04:10 pm Georg Baum wrote: > I am not sure when we really use blocker. It is matter of convention, if we agree with your classification we could change the bug reports so that this information does not get lost and is concentrated in a single place. > Georg -- José

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-19 Thread Edwin Leuven
Enrico Forestieri wrote: The patch works with Qt 4.1 but for some reason the \leqq and \geqq symbols (the first two symbols in "AMS Relations") are displayed as \leq and \geq (see attached qt414.png). and with the attached icons? /* XPM */ static char *a[] = { /* columns rows colors chars-per-

Finishing CJK support Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I understand that and I should probably make the same decision someday. If you can find some free time, I would only request that you finish the CJK LateX support (bug 3043) as I really don't think I could do it. Or perhaps JMarc or Enrico could finish

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-19 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 19 April 2007 9:20:06 am Georg Baum wrote: > AFAIK yes. Renaming styles is a fileformat change unless you use the > "obsoletedby" (spelling?) feature. ObsoletedBy is now deprecated by lyx2lyx. > Georg -- José Abílio

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-19 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 18 April 2007 9:41:27 pm Edwin Leuven wrote: > 4. i was editing some tables and deleting rows resulted in the deletion > of rows other than the one the cursor was in (i haven't been able to > reproduce this, but it happened) I had several crashes when selecting table parts. The emerge

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-19 Thread Georg Baum
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > I understand that and I should probably make the same decision someday. > If you can find some free time, I would only request that you finish the > CJK LateX support (bug 3043) as I really don't think I could do it. Or > perhaps JMarc or Enrico could finish it? It is r

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-19 Thread Georg Baum
Michael Gerz wrote: > What file format change are you talking about? Does it still break > backwards compatibility? AFAIK yes. Renaming styles is a fileformat change unless you use the "obsoletedby" (spelling?) feature. Georg

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Edwin Leuven wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I personally arrive at saturation. I simply cannot maintain this rhythm. What I really mean is that 1.5.0svn is good enough for me and for a lot of people already. So, even if we did not solve all 1.4 regressions WRT 1.3, I reckon that 1.5 is very s

Re: Icon Sizes [WAS Re: Beta 2 someday?]

2007-04-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Enrico Forestieri wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:32:04PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: But surely you could run the script and then have a look at what you had, re-doing by hand those that needed to be redone by hand. It'd at least be worth investigating, if no-one has yet tried it. Of course, s

Re: Icon Sizes [WAS Re: Beta 2 someday?]

2007-04-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Enrico Forestieri wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:12:39PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: Enrico Forestieri wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:33:56PM +0200, Edwin Leuven wrote: what do you see when you have large icons (right click on toolbar and select big-sized icons)? Doh! I would say

Re: Icon Sizes [WAS Re: Beta 2 someday?]

2007-04-18 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:32:04PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:12:39PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > > > >> Enrico Forestieri wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:33:56PM +0200, Edwin Leuven wrote: > >>> > >>> >

Re: Icon Sizes [WAS Re: Beta 2 someday?]

2007-04-18 Thread Richard Heck
Enrico Forestieri wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:12:39PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > >> Enrico Forestieri wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:33:56PM +0200, Edwin Leuven wrote: >>> >>> what do you see when you have large icons (right click on toolbar and sele

Re: Icon Sizes [WAS Re: Beta 2 someday?]

2007-04-18 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:12:39PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:33:56PM +0200, Edwin Leuven wrote: > > > >> what do you see when you have large icons (right click on toolbar and > >> select big-sized icons)? > >> > > > > Doh! I would

Icon Sizes [WAS Re: Beta 2 someday?]

2007-04-18 Thread Richard Heck
Enrico Forestieri wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:33:56PM +0200, Edwin Leuven wrote: > >> what do you see when you have large icons (right click on toolbar and >> select big-sized icons)? >> > > Doh! I would say "Elementary, Watson!". You're right, there's no mistery. > Qt 4.1 truncate

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:53:15PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Edwin Leuven wrote: > > > > i think this happens when qt scales the icons. > > One clean solution would be to avoid the pixmaps and let Qt display the > symbols directly (as done in mathed). This is what I did in the > Delimit

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:33:56PM +0200, Edwin Leuven wrote: > Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > I am sorry but there are some wrong notes ;-) > > false ones ... ;-) > > > The patch works with Qt 4.1 but for some reason the \leqq and \geqq > > symbols (the first two symbols in "AMS Relations") are di

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Edwin Leuven
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I personally arrive at saturation. I simply cannot maintain this rhythm. What I really mean is that 1.5.0svn is good enough for me and for a lot of people already. So, even if we did not solve all 1.4 regressions WRT 1.3, I reckon that 1.5 is very stable (stabler than 1

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Michael Gerz wrote: Georg Baum schrieb: On the scrollbar issue, what can I say? I more or less know what needs to be done but I cannot do that without further cleanup. I'll promise to do something for 1.5.1 but not now. In order to destabilize 1.5.1 because of the cleanup? I fully ag

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Edwin Leuven wrote: i think this happens when qt scales the icons. One clean solution would be to avoid the pixmaps and let Qt display the symbols directly (as done in mathed). This is what I did in the Delimiters dialog. Unfortunately this is a lot of work considering the number of icons.

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Edwin Leuven
Enrico Forestieri wrote: I am sorry but there are some wrong notes ;-) false ones ... ;-) The patch works with Qt 4.1 but for some reason the \leqq and \geqq symbols (the first two symbols in "AMS Relations") are displayed as \leq and \geq (see attached qt414.png). This happens both on Solari

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:36:06PM +0200, Edwin Leuven wrote: > Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > Wow! Edwin, this is the best thing since sliced bread, IMHO. > > This is something I had always dreamed of having in LyX. > > A big thank you! > > :-) good to hear some happy sounds on the list... I am so

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 04:35:55PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:32:57PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > >> I always think before commit :-) > > > > Abdel, I think that you are missing the point here. Please reread what > > Georg said.

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Michael Gerz
Georg Baum schrieb: On the scrollbar issue, what can I say? I more or less know what needs to be done but I cannot do that without further cleanup. I'll promise to do something for 1.5.1 but not now. In order to destabilize 1.5.1 because of the cleanup? I fully agree with Georg. If ma

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Enrico Forestieri wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:32:57PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: José Matos wrote: On Wednesday 18 April 2007 1:01:46 pm Enrico Forestieri wrote: For me real communication looks like this: 1) Developer X sends a patch and explains what it is doing 2) Developer Y fin

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:32:57PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > José Matos wrote: > > On Wednesday 18 April 2007 1:01:46 pm Enrico Forestieri wrote: > >>> For me real > >>> communication looks like this: > >>> > >>> 1) Developer X sends a patch and explains what it is doing > >>> 2) Developer

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Enrico Forestieri wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 10:52:18AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Georg Baum wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Not if LyX is concerned (since you are investing much more time), but if the question is how I spend my spare time then my opinion is the only one that matters.

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Edwin Leuven
Enrico Forestieri wrote: Wow! Edwin, this is the best thing since sliced bread, IMHO. This is something I had always dreamed of having in LyX. A big thank you! :-) good to hear some happy sounds on the list...

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Enrico Forestieri wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 01:13:26PM +0200, Edwin Leuven wrote: Peter Kümmel wrote: The only issue I see are the default icons, for instance see the function list. should be fine with this one: http://leuven.ecodip.net/lyx/tb7.patch Wow! Edwin, this is the best thing

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
José Matos wrote: On Wednesday 18 April 2007 1:01:46 pm Enrico Forestieri wrote: For me real communication looks like this: 1) Developer X sends a patch and explains what it is doing 2) Developer Y finds a problem and possibly presents a solution 3) Developer X confirms that the solution still

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 01:13:26PM +0200, Edwin Leuven wrote: > Peter Kümmel wrote: > > The only issue I see are the default icons, for instance see the > > function list. > > should be fine with this one: > > http://leuven.ecodip.net/lyx/tb7.patch Wow! Edwin, this is the best thing since slice

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 10:52:18AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Georg Baum wrote: > > Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > > Not if LyX is concerned (since you are investing much more time), but if the > > question is how I spend my spare time then my opinion is the only one that > > matters. And ple

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 18 April 2007 1:01:46 pm Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > For me real > > communication looks like this: > > > > 1) Developer X sends a patch and explains what it is doing > > 2) Developer Y finds a problem and possibly presents a solution > > 3) Developer X confirms that the solution stil

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 10:18:11AM +0200, Georg Baum wrote: > Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > Yes, there are discussions now, but some days ago there was some bug ping > pong (IIRC between you, Enrico and Uwe, but I may be wrong). Please don't bring me in there ;-) > For me real > communication lo

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Edwin Leuven
Peter Kümmel wrote: The only issue I see are the default icons, for instance see the function list. should be fine with this one: http://leuven.ecodip.net/lyx/tb7.patch

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Not if LyX is concerned (since you are investing much more time), but if the question is how I spend my spare time then my opinion is the only one that matters. And please don't think that I made this decision becaue of you, your mail was only the las

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-18 Thread Georg Baum
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Georg Baum wrote: >> Am Samstag, 14. April 2007 15:23 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: >>> Georg Baum wrote: Am Freitag, 13. April 2007 21:38 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: > Just look at the traffic on the user list. > There is no such thing as a "lost reputation" in

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-17 Thread Peter Kümmel
José Matos wrote: > On Tuesday 17 April 2007 6:55:31 pm Peter Kümmel wrote: >> Tested here. No problems with msvc. But I have to install the font, >> reconfiguring doesn't work. >> >> This is a big improvement when editing formulas, and it is not >> under the hood only, it is a great visible user f

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-17 Thread José Matos
On Tuesday 17 April 2007 6:55:31 pm Peter Kümmel wrote: > Tested here. No problems with msvc. But I have to install the font, > reconfiguring doesn't work. > > This is a big improvement when editing formulas, and it is not > under the hood only, it is a great visible user friendly change, > so I al

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-17 Thread Peter Kümmel
Edwin Leuven wrote: > Abdelrazak Younes wrote: >> I agree for controversial code. And this is the reason why for example >> I didn't push strongly for Edwin's toolbar work > > i think that the code is rather uncontroversial, the timing however is > (and i understand why) > > that being said, i wo

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-17 Thread José Matos
On Tuesday 17 April 2007 10:02:27 am Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Sorry but we cannot wait for Jose to approve all patches. No offence > Jose but you obviously don't have the time to do so. Clearly we have a problem of communication here. :-) The idea of showing the code is not to have my OK for ev

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-17 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
José Matos wrote: On Tuesday 17 April 2007 10:02:27 am Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Sorry but we cannot wait for Jose to approve all patches. No offence Jose but you obviously don't have the time to do so. Clearly we have a problem of communication here. :-) The idea of showing the code is not to

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-17 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
OK, let's go for another lengthy discussion... Warning: lots of personal stuff in there. But our hero is not killed at the end, don't worry :-) Georg Baum wrote: Am Samstag, 14. April 2007 15:23 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: Georg Baum wrote: Am Freitag, 13. April 2007 21:38 schrieb Abdelrazak Y

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-16 Thread Georg Baum
Am Samstag, 14. April 2007 15:23 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: > Georg Baum wrote: > > Am Freitag, 13. April 2007 21:38 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: > >> Georg Baum wrote: > >> > I don't share your pessimism, especially > if we are to compare current SVN with the state of 1.4.0 when it was >

Re: Beta 2 someday? -> plan

2007-04-16 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Uwe Stöhr wrote: >>3. 3-4 weeks after beta 2 we discuss the release again to have a definite release date. > I think we should set the release date now, independently from the remaining bugs. I propose > approximatively one month after beta 2, say May 15. Please let us wait for the re

Re: Beta 2 someday? -> plan

2007-04-16 Thread Uwe Stöhr
> IMO we should not wait an additional month. We should do that now. Of course! >>3. 3-4 weeks after beta 2 we discuss the release again to have a definite release date. > I think we should set the release date now, independently from the remaining bugs. I propose > approximatively one mo

Re: Beta 2 someday? -> plan

2007-04-16 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Uwe Stöhr wrote: I'm a bit worried about how you discussed this topic, so let me propose a plan: 1. We've made a HUGE step forward toward LyX 1.5.0 since beta 1, so put the beta 2 out now! We need more people to test our efforts in bugfixing. That's why I publish new 1.5svn-versions for

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-15 Thread Angus Leeming
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I hope this was friday speak, otherwise you just insulted several > > developers (not me, but if you look at the lfun mechanism at least > > Jean-Marc and Angus). > > Of course this was friday speak. But, as a side note, nothing should be > set

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-15 Thread Dov Feldstern
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Georg Baum wrote: That is not a good comparison. 1.4.0 should not have been released in that state, otherwise we would not have users still using 1.3. Switching or not to 1.4 has *nothing* to do with the stability of 1.4.0. Users switched when they see something th

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-15 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:52:10AM +0200, Georg Baum wrote: > Obviously we have different quality demands concerning a stable release. > IMO it is no good sign if 1.5.0 is released with a bigger number of known > bugs and regressions to 1.4.x, than 1.4.0 (which already was released with > a big n

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-15 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:39:51AM +0200, Georg Baum wrote: > > Switching or not to 1.4 has *nothing* to do with the stability of 1.4.0. > > Yes, not of 1.4.0 anymore, but of current 1.4svn. And that does still > suffer from a too early released 1.4.0. 1.4.0 was not released 'too early' if 'earl

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-14 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Michael Gerz wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Maintaining a list of show stoppers might be easier using bugzilla directly - I don't know. The page's there now in case anyone wants to use it. I don't think it is a good idea to maintain multiple lists of bugs. I don't

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-14 Thread Michael Gerz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Maintaining a list of show stoppers might be easier using bugzilla directly - I don't know. The page's there now in case anyone wants to use it. I don't think it is a good idea to maintain multiple lists of bugs. bugzilla is made EXACTLY for the purpose of capturing

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-14 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum wrote: Am Freitag, 13. April 2007 21:38 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: Georg Baum wrote: I don't share your pessimism, especially if we are to compare current SVN with the state of 1.4.0 when it was released. That is not a good comparison. 1.4.0 should not have been released in that

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-14 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: So, here is my list of show stoppers: http: //bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3043 http: //bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3291 http: //bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3346 http: //bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3404 http: //bugzilla.lyx.org/sh

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-14 Thread Georg Baum
Am Samstag, 14. April 2007 13:17 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: > Georg Baum wrote: > > Obviously we have different quality demands concerning a stable release. > > I don't understand how this is a show stopper. The only problem is that > you have more grey area than needed (ideally there should be

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-14 Thread Georg Baum
Am Samstag, 14. April 2007 13:13 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: > Georg Baum wrote: > > Am Freitag, 13. April 2007 22:07 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: > > > >>> http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3449 > >> I'll try to solve this one, even though I know nothing about math > > macro... > > > > Great

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-14 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum wrote: Am Freitag, 13. April 2007 21:55 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: Georg Baum wrote: If you want something to work on: 3427 was introduced by you with the metrics reorganization, and it happens always for me. I don't think this has anything to do with metrics. It is an artefact of

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-14 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum wrote: Am Freitag, 13. April 2007 22:07 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3449 I'll try to solve this one, even though I know nothing about math macro... Great! Some more info: This has probably nothing to do with macros, but with a not working Fo

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-14 Thread Michael Gerz
Georg Baum schrieb: Just look at the traffic on the user list. There is no such thing as a "lost reputation" in an open source project. Of course there is. But you can't see that from the mailing list of a project, because most people who think it is crap simply ignore it and use somet

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-14 Thread Georg Baum
Am Freitag, 13. April 2007 22:07 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: > > http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3449 > > I'll try to solve this one, even though I know nothing about math macro... Great! Some more info: This has probably nothing to do with macros, but with a not working FontSetChanger.

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-14 Thread Georg Baum
Am Freitag, 13. April 2007 21:55 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: > Georg Baum wrote: > > > If you want something to work on: 3427 was introduced by you with the > > metrics reorganization, and it happens always for me. > > I don't think this has anything to do with metrics. It is an artefact of > the

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-14 Thread Georg Baum
Am Freitag, 13. April 2007 21:38 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: > Georg Baum wrote: > > >> I don't share your pessimism, especially > >> if we are to compare current SVN with the state of 1.4.0 when it was > >> released. > > > > That is not a good comparison. 1.4.0 should not have been released in

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Please list the show stoppers. http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3291 http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3332 No show stopper. Plaintext export is much improved in 1.5. http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3346 http://bugzilla.lyx

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Please list the show stoppers. If you want something to work on: 3427 was introduced by you with the metrics reorganization, and it happens always for me. I don't think this has anything to do with metrics. It is an artefact of the crappy scrollb

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum wrote: I don't share your pessimism, especially if we are to compare current SVN with the state of 1.4.0 when it was released. That is not a good comparison. 1.4.0 should not have been released in that state, otherwise we would not have users still using 1.3. Switching or not to

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-13 Thread Georg Baum
Richard Heck wrote: > And, Abdel, if you can tell me what bugs are so intransigent, I'll try > to have a look. I seem to have an ability to find the cause of a bug and > then outline a solution. Getting all the details into the code takes me > forever, since C++ is not my native language. So maybe

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-13 Thread Georg Baum
Richard Heck wrote: > Is there some kind of flag that could be set on these in bugzilla? The target milestone. It is a bit difficult, because all bugs with milestone 1.4.x should be audited, and either moved to 1.5.0 or 1.5.x. And of course we have some bugs with milestone 1.5.0 that should be po

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-13 Thread Richard Heck
Is there some kind of flag that could be set on these in bugzilla? Could they be marked "blocker", or is that for something else? I ask just because it seems like we need such a list that can be updated, etc. Georg Baum wrote: > http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2552 > http://bugzilla.lyx.o

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-13 Thread Georg Baum
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Georg Baum wrote: >> Abdelrazak Younes wrote: >> >>> Friendly reminder Jose ;-) >>> >>> Just wanted to add that, for my needs, 1.5.0 is basically "ready". Sure, >>> we have some bugs left but nothing that can stop someone to use it on a >>> daily basis, at least not me

Re: Beta 2 someday?

2007-04-13 Thread Richard Heck
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: >> IMO 1.5.0 is not ready at all (but of course we need the next beta, >> and I predict that it will not be the last one). > Please list the show stoppers. I don't share your pessimism, > especially if we are to compare current SVN with the state of 1.4.0 > when it was rele

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