Re: LyX manuals online?

2017-08-11 Thread Christian Ridderström
On 11 August 2017 at 00:41, Tommaso Cucinotta <tomm...@lyx.org> wrote: > On 10/08/2017 22:27, Christian Ridderström wrote: > >> Do we have the LyX manuals online, either as PDF or web pages? >> > > I just asked this as well, which I guess provides a partial reply

Re: LyX manuals online?

2017-08-10 Thread Tommaso Cucinotta
On 10/08/2017 22:27, Christian Ridderström wrote: Do we have the LyX manuals online, either as PDF or web pages? I just asked this as well, which I guess provides a partial reply to your Q. T. --- Begin Message --- Hi, I just noticed these broken links http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX

LyX manuals online?

2017-08-10 Thread Christian Ridderström
Hi, Do we have the LyX manuals online, either as PDF or web pages? If not, how come? /Christian

Re: Font of LyX manuals: Greek and Cyrillic

2015-12-05 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 04.12.2015 um 09:31 schrieb Guenter Milde: Setting the fonts to "Default" and the font encoding to OT1 results in outline fonts without additional requirements. OT1 is deprecated for Latin-using languages but up to the job for the occasional Latin character in a Greek document.

Re: Font of LyX manuals: Greek and Cyrillic

2015-12-04 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2015-12-04, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 03.12.2015 um 09:47 schrieb Guenter Milde: >>> - I cannot view the Greek Intro manual via pdflatex. >> Greek is problematic because of the Greek script using a non-standard >> font-encoding with 8-bit TeX. >> Greek requires more than a minimal install, e.g.

Re: Font of LyX manuals

2015-12-03 Thread Guenter Milde
Dear Uwe, On 2015-12-03, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 01.12.2015 um 10:19 schrieb Guenter Milde: >> Then my suggestion is to set fonts "the LyX way": >> * Palatino, Helvetica, Courier for splash, Intro, and Tutorial > Done now but I found 2 problems: > - I cannot view the Greek Intro manual via

Re: Font of LyX manuals

2015-12-03 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 03.12.2015 um 09:47 schrieb Guenter Milde: - I cannot view the Greek Intro manual via pdflatex. Greek is problematic because of the Greek script using a non-standard font-encoding with 8-bit TeX. Greek requires more than a minimal install, e.g. support for the LGR font encoding and LGR

Re: Font of LyX manuals

2015-12-02 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 01.12.2015 um 10:19 schrieb Guenter Milde: Then my suggestion is to set fonts "the LyX way": * Palatino, Helvetica, Courier for splash, Intro, and Tutorial Done now but I found 2 problems: - I cannot view the Greek Intro manual via pdflatex. - The font settings for Russian and Ukrainian

Re: Font of LyX manuals

2015-12-01 Thread Stephan Witt
Am 30.11.2015 um 00:09 schrieb Uwe Stöhr : > Am 26.11.2015 um 09:09 schrieb Guenter Milde: > >> No. Many users (including myself) don't use a *complete* TeX distribution > > That makes me wonder. In the world around me everybody uses just click and > go. Why do you fiddle

Re: Font of LyX manuals

2015-12-01 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2015-11-29, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 26.11.2015 um 09:09 schrieb Guenter Milde: > In this case I vote for the other solution you proposed: > b) use a simplified and "Unicode-clean" preamble code: ... > I vote for this for your argument. We already have preamble code so that > it shouldn't

Re: Font of LyX manuals

2015-12-01 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2015-11-29, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 26.11.2015 um 09:09 schrieb Guenter Milde: >> No. Many users (including myself) don't use a *complete* TeX distribution > That makes me wonder. In the world around me everybody uses just click > and go. Why do you fiddle around to get a TeX subset when there

Re: Font of LyX manuals

2015-11-29 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 26.11.2015 um 09:09 schrieb Guenter Milde: No. Many users (including myself) don't use a *complete* TeX distribution That makes me wonder. In the world around me everybody uses just click and go. Why do you fiddle around to get a TeX subset when there is TeXLive that you can install with

Re: Font of LyX manuals

2015-11-26 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2015-11-25, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 25.11.2015 um 09:32 schrieb Guenter Milde: Dear Uwe, thanks for the response, I think we are on a good way. >>> On which system there is no Latin Modern? >> While they are in every TeX distribution, they are not necessarily in every >> TeX *installation*.

Re: Font of LyX manuals

2015-11-25 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 25.11.2015 um 09:32 schrieb Guenter Milde: The test for PDF output in the preamble... makes no sense in a design for PDF output only. It can safely go. Fine with me. I remember that I was once forced to add this - years a go because I think Latin Modern was not part of teTeX which was

Re: Font of LyX manuals

2015-11-25 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2015-11-25, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 30.10.2015 um 09:08 schrieb Guenter Milde: >> LyX manuals currently use user-preamble code to set the font depending on >> the export route and availability: >> * Latin Modern (CM-extension) with PDF(luatex), PDF(pdflatex), if >>

Re: Font of LyX manuals

2015-11-24 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Am 30.10.2015 um 09:08 schrieb Guenter Milde: LyX manuals currently use user-preamble code to set the font depending on the export route and availability: * Latin Modern (CM-extension) with PDF(luatex), PDF(pdflatex), if lmodern.sty is installed This is the only export the manuals

Re: Font of LyX manuals

2015-11-20 Thread Scott Kostyshak
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 08:08:01AM +, Guenter Milde wrote: > Dear LyX developers, > > > State of the art > ======== > > LyX manuals currently use user-preamble code to set the font depending on > the export route and availability: > > * Latin Modern

Font of LyX manuals

2015-10-30 Thread Guenter Milde
Dear LyX developers, State of the art LyX manuals currently use user-preamble code to set the font depending on the export route and availability: * Latin Modern (CM-extension) with PDF(luatex), PDF(pdflatex), if lmodern.sty is installed * CM-Super (another CM lookalike

Re: lyx manuals

2012-08-13 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jack Tanner wrote: It'd be handy to have easy access to PDF versions of LyX manuals. Is there a place where current LyX manuals are posted on the web in PDF, or could PDFs be included with the installer? There used to be some version in wiki. I planned to output full xhtml output ofour manuals

Re: lyx manuals

2012-08-13 Thread Pavel Sanda
Richard Heck wrote: On 08/12/2012 03:21 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: From: Jack Tanner [i...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:10 PM It'd be handy to have easy access to PDF versions of LyX manuals. Is there a place where current LyX manuals are posted on the web in PDF, or could

Re: lyx manuals

2012-08-13 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jack Tanner wrote: > It'd be handy to have easy access to PDF versions of LyX manuals. Is there a > place where current LyX manuals are posted on the web in PDF, or could PDFs be > included with the installer? There used to be some version in wiki. I planned to output full xhtml out

Re: lyx manuals

2012-08-13 Thread Pavel Sanda
Richard Heck wrote: > On 08/12/2012 03:21 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: >> From: Jack Tanner [i...@hotmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:10 PM >> >>> It'd be handy to have easy access to PDF versions of LyX manuals. Is >>> there a >>> place

lyx manuals

2012-08-12 Thread Jack Tanner
It'd be handy to have easy access to PDF versions of LyX manuals. Is there a place where current LyX manuals are posted on the web in PDF, or could PDFs be included with the installer?

RE: lyx manuals

2012-08-12 Thread Scott Kostyshak
From: Jack Tanner [i...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:10 PM It'd be handy to have easy access to PDF versions of LyX manuals. Is there a place where current LyX manuals are posted on the web in PDF, or could PDFs be included with the installer? They are here: http://wiki.lyx.org

Re: lyx manuals

2012-08-12 Thread Richard Heck
On 08/12/2012 03:21 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: From: Jack Tanner [i...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:10 PM It'd be handy to have easy access to PDF versions of LyX manuals. Is there a place where current LyX manuals are posted on the web in PDF, or could PDFs be included

lyx manuals

2012-08-12 Thread Jack Tanner
It'd be handy to have easy access to PDF versions of LyX manuals. Is there a place where current LyX manuals are posted on the web in PDF, or could PDFs be included with the installer?

RE: lyx manuals

2012-08-12 Thread Scott Kostyshak
From: Jack Tanner [i...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:10 PM >It'd be handy to have easy access to PDF versions of LyX manuals. Is there a >place where current LyX manuals are posted on the web in PDF, or could PDFs be >included with the installer? They are h

Re: lyx manuals

2012-08-12 Thread Richard Heck
On 08/12/2012 03:21 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: From: Jack Tanner [i...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:10 PM It'd be handy to have easy access to PDF versions of LyX manuals. Is there a place where current LyX manuals are posted on the web in PDF, or could PDFs be included

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-06 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Uwe Stöhr wrote: i found the wiki structure confusing. Yes, because this was originally thought as developer page. intuitively i will look for these manuals either in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Manuals Yes, this should be the right place. Could you design this page

Re: Location of documentation (Was: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals)

2008-02-06 Thread Pavel Sanda
The link is there in sidebar, it is the header with the text LyX documentation but unfortunately I don't people understand it is also a link to a page about LyX documentation. the problem is i was not searching through sidebar but from basic lyx page and its documentation section. If

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-06 Thread Herbert Voss
Darren Freeman schrieb: On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 08:00 +0100, Herbert Voss wrote: Uwe Stöhr schrieb: Generally speaking I think it sucks that the user guide doesn't compile out of the box. Have other popular (Linux) LaTeX distributions also skipped the floatflt package? TeXLive came up

Re: Location of documentation (Was: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals)

2008-02-06 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: The link is there in sidebar, it is the header with the text LyX documentation but unfortunately I don't people understand it is also a link to a page about LyX documentation. the problem is i was not searching through sidebar but from basic lyx

Re: Location of documentation (Was: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals)

2008-02-06 Thread Pavel Sanda
should put these into svn or ftp or even source tarbals. wiki is imho the best place. The files as such are not actually stored in the wiki, so to be clear. ehh? http://wiki.lyx.org/uploads//LyX/Manuals/1.4.2/intro.pdf pavel

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the real fix should be in 1.6. Is it a real problem to do a 1.6 that in practice only contains this as the major difference? I do not think it would be a good idea. JMarc

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-06 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I propose to backport a subset of this (even the GUI changes may not be necessary). Juergen, as always it s up to you. Yes, I agree that this is the best solution to the problem. Who is going to do the backport? Jürgen

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-06 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Yes, I agree that this is the best solution to the problem. Who is going to do the backport? I send the patch to the list. regards Uwe

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-06 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Uwe Stöhr wrote: i found the wiki structure confusing. Yes, because this was originally thought as developer page. intuitively i will look for these manuals either in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Manuals Yes, this should be the right place. Could you design this page

Re: Location of documentation (Was: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals)

2008-02-06 Thread Pavel Sanda
> The link is there in sidebar, it is the header with the text > "LyX documentation" > but unfortunately I don't people understand it is also a link to a page > about LyX documentation. the problem is i was not searching through sidebar but from basic lyx page and its documentation

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-06 Thread Herbert Voss
Darren Freeman schrieb: On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 08:00 +0100, Herbert Voss wrote: Uwe Stöhr schrieb: > Generally speaking I think it sucks that the user guide doesn't compile out of the box. Have other > popular (Linux) LaTeX distributions also skipped the floatflt package? TeXLive came up

Re: Location of documentation (Was: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals)

2008-02-06 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: The link is there in sidebar, it is the header with the text "LyX documentation" but unfortunately I don't people understand it is also a link to a page about LyX documentation. the problem is i was not searching through sidebar but from basic

Re: Location of documentation (Was: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals)

2008-02-06 Thread Pavel Sanda
tself considered it only as a grouping item. but maybe i'm not the only fool not realizing that. >> i dont think we should put these into svn or ftp or even source tarbals. >> wiki is imho the best place. > > The files as such are not actually stored in the wiki, so to be clear. ehh? http://wiki.lyx.org/uploads//LyX/Manuals/1.4.2/intro.pdf pavel

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I think the real "fix" should be in 1.6. Is it a real problem to do a > 1.6 that in practice only contains this as the major difference? I do not think it would be a good idea. JMarc

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-06 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > I propose to backport a subset of this (even the GUI changes may not > be necessary). > > Juergen, as always it s up to you. Yes, I agree that this is the best solution to the problem. Who is going to do the backport? Jürgen

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-06 Thread Uwe Stöhr
> Yes, I agree that this is the best solution to the problem. Who is going to do > the backport? I send the patch to the list. regards Uwe

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb: The problem is not only the documentation, but a feature of LyX that does not work anymore. Should we investigate backporting the wrapfig patch to branch? But this would be a

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Uwe Stöhr wrote: E1) Putting the section about wrapping floats in a branch? (Will this help?) This is indeed an option. How about the following solution: (Temporarily) move the section regarding wrapping floats from the users' guide to some other document, and

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
E1) Putting the section about wrapping floats in a branch? (Will this help?) This is indeed an option. How about the following solution: (Temporarily) move the section regarding wrapping floats from the users' guide to some other document, and let the section in the users' guide

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there really a lyx2lyx entry related to this change? I checked my commit history. When we only use a very basic implementation, I think we could backport it: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/20185 Yes. This was the first commit that changes wrap

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
Uwe Stöhr wrote: Unfortunately using wrapfig like in trunk cannot be backported since it is a fileformat change. Well - this rule doesn't have to be absolute! this is not just about the rules. being as user used to increace from x to 1.y.x+1 without any worry about _the latex output_ is

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Uwe Stöhr wrote: Unfortunately using wrapfig like in trunk cannot be backported since it is a fileformat change. Well - this rule doesn't have to be absolute! It sure is a good rule to have for changes initiated by the LyX project. But this time the change is imposed from the outside.

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
I think even the dummy file format change was not needed, since there is nothing lyx2lyx can do to alleviate whatever problem may appear. This change of package may change the output, there not much we can do about it. I propose to backport a subset of this (even the GUI changes may not be

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: note that there are many people with tex distros (tetex, older texlive etc) which are simply not striked by this problem, but could be striked by the fact the output suddenly changed from 1.5.3 to 1.5.4, so we are doing favour for one part of people while

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Uwe Stöhr
contact the author to change the license ... which is sometimes difficult after all these years. I already did this, but got no reply until now. If I get no reply till the end of this week, I'll try to phone him. regards Uwe

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Is there really a lyx2lyx entry related to this change? I checked my commit history. When we only use a very basic implementation, I think we could backport it: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/20185 This was the first commit that changes wrap floats from floatflt to wrapfig. It only need a

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Uwe Stöhr
I think we should not include floatflt in the Windows installer. This would mean that the restrictive floatflt license conditions also apply to the installer. But that is no problem, because we don't want donations for the installer. regards Uwe

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Pavel Sanda wrote: Uwe Stöhr wrote: Unfortunately using wrapfig like in trunk cannot be backported since it is a fileformat change. Well - this rule doesn't have to be absolute! this is not just about the rules. being as user used to increace from x to 1.y.x+1 without any

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Herbert Voss
Uwe Stöhr schrieb: I think we should not include floatflt in the Windows installer. This would mean that the restrictive floatflt license conditions also apply to the installer. But that is no problem, because we don't want donations for the installer. that is not the point ... None of

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread rgheck
Herbert Voss wrote: Uwe Stöhr schrieb: I think we should not include floatflt in the Windows installer. This would mean that the restrictive floatflt license conditions also apply to the installer. But that is no problem, because we don't want donations for the installer. that is not

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Herbert Voss
rgheck schrieb: Herbert Voss wrote: Uwe Stöhr schrieb: I think we should not include floatflt in the Windows installer. This would mean that the restrictive floatflt license conditions also apply to the installer. But that is no problem, because we don't want donations for the

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Is there some part of the introduction or tutorial that explains that these documents are also available as PDFs, and where they can be found? I added now a link in a note to where to find the PDFs. (to http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocumentationDevelopment) regards Uwe

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: note that there are many people with tex distros (tetex, older texlive etc) which are simply not striked by this problem, but could be striked by the fact the output suddenly changed from 1.5.3 to 1.5.4, so we are doing favour for one part of

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
confusing. intuitively i will look for these manuals either in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Manuals or here http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXHelpDocuments the joke is that one find complete 1.4 documentation here. i would propose to somehow unite all these to some consistent state, - i mean unity of place - only one

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Uwe Stöhr
i found the wiki structure confusing. Yes, because this was originally thought as developer page. intuitively i will look for these manuals either in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Manuals Yes, this should be the right place. Could you design this page the way you think it should be? I'll correct

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
in DocumentationDevelopment into there. But I let it up to you. (Please leave http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocumentationDevelopment as is.) or here http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXHelpDocuments We can set at this page a link to http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Manuals Yes. Pavel

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Darren Freeman
On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 08:00 +0100, Herbert Voss wrote: Uwe Stöhr schrieb: Generally speaking I think it sucks that the user guide doesn't compile out of the box. Have other popular (Linux) LaTeX distributions also skipped the floatflt package? TeXLive came up with the removal,

Location of documentation (Was: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals)

2008-02-05 Thread christian . ridderstrom
) Does this mean you added a note to one of the manuals (which)? Or did you add the note to a README? i found the wiki structure confusing. I agree :-( intuitively i will look for these manuals either in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Manuals or here http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb: > The problem is not only the documentation, but a feature of LyX that does not work anymore. Should we investigate backporting the wrapfig patch to branch? But this would

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Uwe Stöhr wrote: E1) Putting the section about wrapping floats in a branch? (Will this help?) This is indeed an option. How about the following solution: (Temporarily) move the section regarding wrapping floats from the users' guide to some other document, and

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
>>> E1) Putting the section about wrapping floats in a branch? >>> (Will this help?) >> >> This is indeed an option. > > How about the following solution: > > (Temporarily) move the section regarding wrapping floats from the users' > guide to some other document, and let the section in

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Is there really a lyx2lyx entry related to this change? > > I checked my commit history. When we only use a very basic > implementation, I think we could backport it: > http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/20185 Yes. > This was the first commit that changes

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
> Uwe Stöhr wrote: >> >> Unfortunately using wrapfig like in trunk cannot be backported since it is >> a fileformat change. > Well - this rule doesn't have to be absolute! this is not just about the rules. being as user used to increace from x to 1.y.x+1 without any worry about _the latex

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Uwe Stöhr wrote: Unfortunately using wrapfig like in trunk cannot be backported since it is a fileformat change. Well - this rule doesn't have to be absolute! It sure is a good rule to have for changes initiated by the LyX project. But this time the change is imposed from the outside.

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
> I think even the dummy file format change was not needed, since there > is nothing lyx2lyx can do to alleviate whatever problem may appear. > This change of package may change the output, there not much we can do > about it. > > I propose to backport a subset of this (even the GUI changes may

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > note that there are many people with tex distros (tetex, older texlive etc) > which are simply not striked by this problem, but could be striked > by the fact the output suddenly changed from 1.5.3 to 1.5.4, so we are doing > favour for one part of people

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Uwe Stöhr
> contact the author to change the license ... > which is sometimes difficult after all these years. I already did this, but got no reply until now. If I get no reply till the end of this week, I'll try to phone him. regards Uwe

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Uwe Stöhr
> Is there really a lyx2lyx entry related to this change? I checked my commit history. When we only use a very basic implementation, I think we could backport it: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/20185 This was the first commit that changes wrap floats from floatflt to wrapfig. It only need a

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Uwe Stöhr
> I think we should not include floatflt in the Windows installer. This would mean that the > restrictive floatflt license conditions also apply to the installer. But that is no problem, because we don't want donations for the installer. regards Uwe

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Pavel Sanda wrote: Uwe Stöhr wrote: Unfortunately using wrapfig like in trunk cannot be backported since it is a fileformat change. Well - this rule doesn't have to be absolute! this is not just about the rules. being as user used to increace from x to 1.y.x+1 without any

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Herbert Voss
Uwe Stöhr schrieb: > I think we should not include floatflt in the Windows installer. This would mean that the > restrictive floatflt license conditions also apply to the installer. But that is no problem, because we don't want donations for the installer. that is not the point ... None of

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread rgheck
Herbert Voss wrote: Uwe Stöhr schrieb: > I think we should not include floatflt in the Windows installer. This would mean that the > restrictive floatflt license conditions also apply to the installer. But that is no problem, because we don't want donations for the installer. that is not

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Herbert Voss
rgheck schrieb: Herbert Voss wrote: Uwe Stöhr schrieb: > I think we should not include floatflt in the Windows installer. This would mean that the > restrictive floatflt license conditions also apply to the installer. But that is no problem, because we don't want donations for the

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Uwe Stöhr
> Is there some part of the introduction or tutorial that explains that these documents are also > available as PDFs, and where they can be found? I added now a link in a note to where to find the PDFs. (to http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocumentationDevelopment) regards Uwe

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: note that there are many people with tex distros (tetex, older texlive etc) which are simply not striked by this problem, but could be striked by the fact the output suddenly changed from 1.5.3 to 1.5.4, so we are doing favour for one part of

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
found the wiki structure confusing. intuitively i will look for these manuals either in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Manuals or here http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXHelpDocuments the joke is that one find complete 1.4 documentation here. i would propose to somehow unite all these to some consistent state,

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Uwe Stöhr
> i found the wiki structure confusing. Yes, because this was originally thought as developer page. > intuitively i will look for these manuals either in > http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Manuals Yes, this should be the right place. Could you design this page the way you think it should

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
d section in DocumentationDevelopment into there. But I let it up to you. > (Please leave http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocumentationDevelopment as is.) > > > or here > > http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXHelpDocuments > > We can set at this page a link to > http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Manuals Yes. Pavel

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-05 Thread Darren Freeman
On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 08:00 +0100, Herbert Voss wrote: > Uwe Stöhr schrieb: > > > > Generally speaking I think it sucks that the user guide doesn't > > compile out of the box. Have other > popular (Linux) LaTeX distributions > > also skipped the floatflt package? > > > > TeXLive came up with

Location of documentation (Was: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals)

2008-02-05 Thread christian . ridderstrom
) Does this mean you added a note to one of the manuals (which)? Or did you add the note to a README? i found the wiki structure confusing. I agree :-( intuitively i will look for these manuals either in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Manuals or here http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX

important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
The LaTeX-package floatflt that we use for wrap floats has been deleted in TeXLive and MikTeX: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/15236 So from now on new LyX users won't be able to use wrap floats nor compile the manuals. This was the reason why we got so many complaints abpout the

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008, Uwe Stöhr wrote: The LaTeX-package floatflt that we use for wrap floats has been deleted in TeXLive and MikTeX: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/15236 So from now on new LyX users won't be able to use wrap floats nor compile the manuals. This was the reason why

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
For LyX 1.6, I rewrote the wrap floats stuff so that we now use wrapfig. But shall we do in the meantime for LyX 1.5.4. I could remove the explanation of wrap floats but don't like this solution. Any ideas? imho the priority #1 is to have users manual compilable without _any_ special action

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: imho the priority #1 is to have users manual compilable without _any_ special action on the users side. anything else gives very wrong impression of lyx no matter if we are (not) responsible. if we are not allowed to distribute floatflt package or there

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
F) Provide the flaotflt.sty package with the users' guide? (Can we do this from a license point of view?) The license allows this, but this doesn't help as you have o install the pacakge to LaTeX. this seems to be good news, because if we are allowed to provide floatflt, i guess most

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
B) Say that users have to install floatflt.sty themselves in the installation notes. For linux I see no other way. B1) Explain how users can install flaotflt.sty Yes, together with B. C) Provide the manual in PDF form We already do. D) Windows only: Modify the installer to install

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-04 Thread Joost Verburg
Pavel Sanda wrote: F) Provide the flaotflt.sty package with the users' guide? (Can we do this from a license point of view?) The license allows this, but this doesn't help as you have o install the pacakge to LaTeX. this seems to be good news, because if we are allowed to provide floatflt,

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-04 Thread Joost Verburg
Uwe Stöhr wrote: D) Windows only: Modify the installer to install floatflt.sty I'll implement this in the installer for LyX 1.5.4. I think we should not include floatflt in the Windows installer. This would mean that the restrictive floatflt license conditions also apply to the installer.

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb: The problem is not only the documentation, but a feature of LyX that does not work anymore. Should we investigate backporting the wrapfig patch to branch? But this would be a fileformat change. regards Uwe

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb: The problem is not only the documentation, but a feature of LyX that does not work anymore. Should we investigate backporting the wrapfig patch to branch? But this would be a fileformat change. Sure, but having files

Re: important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-04 Thread Herbert Voss
Uwe Stöhr schrieb: Generally speaking I think it sucks that the user guide doesn't compile out of the box. Have other popular (Linux) LaTeX distributions also skipped the floatflt package? TeXLive came up with the removal, others followed. For Linux TeXLive is the only active

important info about the floatflt package and the LyX manuals

2008-02-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
The LaTeX-package floatflt that we use for wrap floats has been deleted in TeXLive and MikTeX: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/15236 So from now on new LyX users won't be able to use wrap floats nor compile the manuals. This was the reason why we got so many complaints abpout the

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