Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Helge Hafting]

Den 13. aug. 2015 22:53, skrev Hal Kierstead:
I do not think you understood me.  Suppose a create a LyX file and use 
it to generate a tex file.  I send it to my coauthor who does not use 
LyX.  He makes modifications to the LaTex file without changing the 
front material, and sends me his Tex file.  I should be able to use 
tex2lyx to make a revised version  of my LyX file.  But this requires 
many corrections by hand.




Currently, LaTeX import isn't perfect.

There are some ways around this. If your co-author only works on certain 
chapters/sections, then you may put those in files (child documents) of 
their own. Then you can work on most of your LyX document undisturbed by 
his work on his parts. You may even be able to avoid re-converting his 
pieces back to LyX files - for a LyX master document can have child 
documents that are latex files too.


Obviously, this only works if he works on separate parts of the document 
- not if he needs to make changes everywhere.


The best would be to convince the coauthor to use LyX for this document 
- perhaps helping out with the LyX  installation. But I guess that is 
not an option here.


Helge Hafting

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Helge Hafting]

Den 13. aug. 2015 22:53, skrev Hal Kierstead:
I do not think you understood me.  Suppose a create a LyX file and use 
it to generate a tex file.  I send it to my coauthor who does not use 
LyX.  He makes modifications to the LaTex file without changing the 
front material, and sends me his Tex file.  I should be able to use 
tex2lyx to make a revised version  of my LyX file.  But this requires 
many corrections by hand.




Currently, LaTeX import isn't perfect.

There are some ways around this. If your co-author only works on certain 
chapters/sections, then you may put those in files (child documents) of 
their own. Then you can work on most of your LyX document undisturbed by 
his work on his parts. You may even be able to avoid re-converting his 
pieces back to LyX files - for a LyX master document can have child 
documents that are latex files too.


Obviously, this only works if he works on separate parts of the document 
- not if he needs to make changes everywhere.


The best would be to convince the coauthor to use LyX for this document 
- perhaps helping out with the LyX  installation. But I guess that is 
not an option here.


Helge Hafting

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Use include files.

Many and small ones. :-)-O


el

On 2015-08-13 21:53, Hal Kierstead wrote:
[...]
 I do not think you understood me.  Suppose a create a LyX file and
 use it to generate a tex file.  I send it to my coauthor who does
 not use LyX. He makes modifications to the LaTex file without
 changing the front material, and sends me his Tex file.  I should
 be able to use tex2lyx to make a revised version of my LyX file.
 But this requires many corrections by hand.
 
 Hal

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Use include files.

Many and small ones. :-)-O


el

On 2015-08-13 21:53, Hal Kierstead wrote:
[...]
> I do not think you understood me.  Suppose a create a LyX file and
> use it to generate a tex file.  I send it to my coauthor who does
> not use LyX. He makes modifications to the LaTex file without
> changing the front material, and sends me his Tex file.  I should
> be able to use tex2lyx to make a revised version of my LyX file.
> But this requires many corrections by hand.
> 
> Hal

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Guenter Milde]

On 2015-08-15, Georg Baum wrote:

...

 There are some constructs in LyX that cannot be expressed in LaTeX or
 are not exported (e.g. Notes). We discussed in the past how to get rid
 of this limitation, but, but we do not have a consensus on a good
 soluition yet. 

Notes are not the best example:

While Notes are not exported and hence naturally not in the re-imported
file, they will not cause the re-import to fail.

Günter

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Guenter Milde]

On 2015-08-15, Georg Baum wrote:

...

> There are some constructs in LyX that cannot be expressed in LaTeX or
> are not exported (e.g. Notes). We discussed in the past how to get rid
> of this limitation, but, but we do not have a consensus on a good
> soluition yet. 

Notes are not the best example:

While Notes are not exported and hence naturally not in the re-imported
file, they will not cause the re-import to fail.

Günter

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Hal Kierstead]

 On Aug 15, 2015, at 10:24 AM, Georg Baum georg.b...@post.rwth-aachen.de 
 wrote:
 
 Hal Kierstead wrote:
 
 First of all, tex2lyx already comes close to making a good LyX file.  The
 main problem is that there always seem to be a handful or errors that must
 be fixed before the file will run.  For some reason the program cannot
 handle options like \begin{thm}[Main Lemma], but also other options.  It
 also seems that comments in the Latex file can sometimes produce errors. 
 
 Please report bugs for these errors at 
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome and include an example .tex file 
 that shows the bug. These problems are sometimes easy to fix, the only thing 
 we need is to be aware of them and a test case.
 
 A huge annoyance is that theorems, etc. are displayed in ERT.
 
 The problem with theorems is that they are only recognized if the preamble 
 is the same that would be used by LyX. Otherwise it cannot be guaranteed 
 that the PDF output will be the same as in the original document. If the 
 origional .tex file was produced by LyX, and your co-author did not define a 
 new theorem style, but only changed an existing theorem or added a new one, 
 then the theorems should be imported correctrly by tex2lyx. If this is not 
 the case then please file  bug report.
 
 I understand that for arbitrary LaTex files some of these issues maybe
 very complicated or impossible, but what I am asking for does not involve
 arbitrary files.  Let’s take an easy case.  Suppose my coauthor only makes
 changes between \begin{document} and \end{document} of the LaTex file, and
 does not use any new constructs.  Shouldn’t it be possible, perhaps with a
 helper file that records settings and any other special issues, to make a
 good LyX version?  Or even easier, shouldn’t I be able to export a Latex
 file and then without changing it, import it and get the same LyX file
 back.  Yes, I know there is no reason to do this, but it is a benchmark.
 
 Yes, this should be possible (with one limitation): There are some 
 constructs in LyX that cannot be expressed in LaTeX or are not exported 
 (e.g. Notes). We discussed in the past how to get rid of this limitation, 
 but, but we do not have a consensus on a good soluition yet. Again, if have 
 documents that do not re-import correctly, please file a bug.
 
 
 Georg
 

Georg -

Thanks for a very positive response with very concrete ways for me to help.  
Unfortunately at the moment I am in rush to prepare for the start of the new 
semester  next week, but I will get back to you with examples.

Thanks again,

Hal

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Georg Baum]

Hal Kierstead wrote:

 First of all, tex2lyx already comes close to making a good LyX file.  The
 main problem is that there always seem to be a handful or errors that must
 be fixed before the file will run.  For some reason the program cannot
 handle options like \begin{thm}[Main Lemma], but also other options.  It
 also seems that comments in the Latex file can sometimes produce errors. 

Please report bugs for these errors at 
http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome and include an example .tex file 
that shows the bug. These problems are sometimes easy to fix, the only thing 
we need is to be aware of them and a test case.

 A huge annoyance is that theorems, etc. are displayed in ERT.

The problem with theorems is that they are only recognized if the preamble 
is the same that would be used by LyX. Otherwise it cannot be guaranteed 
that the PDF output will be the same as in the original document. If the 
origional .tex file was produced by LyX, and your co-author did not define a 
new theorem style, but only changed an existing theorem or added a new one, 
then the theorems should be imported correctrly by tex2lyx. If this is not 
the case then please file  bug report.

 I understand that for arbitrary LaTex files some of these issues maybe
 very complicated or impossible, but what I am asking for does not involve
 arbitrary files.  Let’s take an easy case.  Suppose my coauthor only makes
 changes between \begin{document} and \end{document} of the LaTex file, and
 does not use any new constructs.  Shouldn’t it be possible, perhaps with a
 helper file that records settings and any other special issues, to make a
 good LyX version?  Or even easier, shouldn’t I be able to export a Latex
 file and then without changing it, import it and get the same LyX file
 back.  Yes, I know there is no reason to do this, but it is a benchmark.

Yes, this should be possible (with one limitation): There are some 
constructs in LyX that cannot be expressed in LaTeX or are not exported 
(e.g. Notes). We discussed in the past how to get rid of this limitation, 
but, but we do not have a consensus on a good soluition yet. Again, if have 
documents that do not re-import correctly, please file a bug.


Georg

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Georg Baum]

Hal Kierstead wrote:

> First of all, tex2lyx already comes close to making a good LyX file.  The
> main problem is that there always seem to be a handful or errors that must
> be fixed before the file will run.  For some reason the program cannot
> handle options like \begin{thm}[Main Lemma], but also other options.  It
> also seems that comments in the Latex file can sometimes produce errors. 

Please report bugs for these errors at 
http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome and include an example .tex file 
that shows the bug. These problems are sometimes easy to fix, the only thing 
we need is to be aware of them and a test case.

> A huge annoyance is that theorems, etc. are displayed in ERT.

The problem with theorems is that they are only recognized if the preamble 
is the same that would be used by LyX. Otherwise it cannot be guaranteed 
that the PDF output will be the same as in the original document. If the 
origional .tex file was produced by LyX, and your co-author did not define a 
new theorem style, but only changed an existing theorem or added a new one, 
then the theorems should be imported correctrly by tex2lyx. If this is not 
the case then please file  bug report.

> I understand that for arbitrary LaTex files some of these issues maybe
> very complicated or impossible, but what I am asking for does not involve
> arbitrary files.  Let’s take an easy case.  Suppose my coauthor only makes
> changes between \begin{document} and \end{document} of the LaTex file, and
> does not use any new constructs.  Shouldn’t it be possible, perhaps with a
> helper file that records settings and any other special issues, to make a
> good LyX version?  Or even easier, shouldn’t I be able to export a Latex
> file and then without changing it, import it and get the same LyX file
> back.  Yes, I know there is no reason to do this, but it is a benchmark.

Yes, this should be possible (with one limitation): There are some 
constructs in LyX that cannot be expressed in LaTeX or are not exported 
(e.g. Notes). We discussed in the past how to get rid of this limitation, 
but, but we do not have a consensus on a good soluition yet. Again, if have 
documents that do not re-import correctly, please file a bug.


Georg

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Hal Kierstead]

> On Aug 15, 2015, at 10:24 AM, Georg Baum  
> wrote:
> 
> Hal Kierstead wrote:
> 
>> First of all, tex2lyx already comes close to making a good LyX file.  The
>> main problem is that there always seem to be a handful or errors that must
>> be fixed before the file will run.  For some reason the program cannot
>> handle options like \begin{thm}[Main Lemma], but also other options.  It
>> also seems that comments in the Latex file can sometimes produce errors. 
> 
> Please report bugs for these errors at 
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome and include an example .tex file 
> that shows the bug. These problems are sometimes easy to fix, the only thing 
> we need is to be aware of them and a test case.
> 
>> A huge annoyance is that theorems, etc. are displayed in ERT.
> 
> The problem with theorems is that they are only recognized if the preamble 
> is the same that would be used by LyX. Otherwise it cannot be guaranteed 
> that the PDF output will be the same as in the original document. If the 
> origional .tex file was produced by LyX, and your co-author did not define a 
> new theorem style, but only changed an existing theorem or added a new one, 
> then the theorems should be imported correctrly by tex2lyx. If this is not 
> the case then please file  bug report.
> 
>> I understand that for arbitrary LaTex files some of these issues maybe
>> very complicated or impossible, but what I am asking for does not involve
>> arbitrary files.  Let’s take an easy case.  Suppose my coauthor only makes
>> changes between \begin{document} and \end{document} of the LaTex file, and
>> does not use any new constructs.  Shouldn’t it be possible, perhaps with a
>> helper file that records settings and any other special issues, to make a
>> good LyX version?  Or even easier, shouldn’t I be able to export a Latex
>> file and then without changing it, import it and get the same LyX file
>> back.  Yes, I know there is no reason to do this, but it is a benchmark.
> 
> Yes, this should be possible (with one limitation): There are some 
> constructs in LyX that cannot be expressed in LaTeX or are not exported 
> (e.g. Notes). We discussed in the past how to get rid of this limitation, 
> but, but we do not have a consensus on a good soluition yet. Again, if have 
> documents that do not re-import correctly, please file a bug.
> 
> 
> Georg
> 

Georg -

Thanks for a very positive response with very concrete ways for me to help.  
Unfortunately at the moment I am in rush to prepare for the start of the new 
semester  next week, but I will get back to you with examples.

Thanks again,

Hal

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 6:45 PM, Hal Kierstead hal.kierst...@me.com wrote:

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Steve Thompson scth...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hal,
 I think I did understand. You want your collaborator to be able to make
 arbitrary changes to the .tex file, then have tex2lyx figure out how to
 create a new .lyx file. But your collaborator could have done anything. That
 makes the “modified” file no different from any other completely arbitrary
 new input file.
 Steve



 Steve -

 I do not think you understood me.  Suppose a create a LyX file and use it to
 generate a tex file.  I send it to my coauthor who does not use LyX.  He
 makes modifications to the LaTex file without changing the front material,
 and sends me his Tex file.  I should be able to use tex2lyx to make a
 revised version  of my LyX file.  But this requires many corrections by
 hand.

 Hal


 Steve -

 First of all, tex2lyx already comes close to making a good LyX file.  The
 main problem is that there always seem to be a handful or errors that must
 be fixed before the file will run.  For some reason the program cannot
 handle options like \begin{thm}[Main Lemma], but also other options.  It
 also seems that comments in the Latex file can sometimes produce errors.  A
 huge annoyance is that theorems, etc. are displayed in ERT.

 I understand that for arbitrary LaTex files some of these issues maybe very
 complicated or impossible, but what I am asking for does not involve
 arbitrary files.  Let’s take an easy case.  Suppose my coauthor only makes
 changes between \begin{document} and \end{document} of the LaTex file, and
 does not use any new constructs.  Shouldn’t it be possible, perhaps with a
 helper file that records settings and any other special issues, to make a
 good LyX version?  Or even easier, shouldn’t I be able to export a Latex
 file and then without changing it, import it and get the same LyX file back.
 Yes, I know there is no reason to do this, but it is a benchmark.

 Hal

Hal,

I think your reasoning is sound. I agree that it would be really nice
to have clean round trip (even though as Steve rightly points out this
is useless in theory if we don't make any manual change). The reason
is simply that it is hard to import LaTeX, *even* LaTeX that LyX
produces. Sometimes one way is easier than the other way. tex2lyx is
actually a completely separate program from LyX (it is literally a
separate binary program). There is no communication between the two.
Communication wouldn't even help. Import is just a completely
different procedure from export.

Many people (including myself) agree with you that it would be nice to
have this. To see previous discussions on this topic, search for LyX
roundtrip LaTeX or something similar.

Best,

Scott

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Hal Kierstead]

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Steve Thompson scth...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hal,
 I think I did understand. You want your collaborator to be able to make 
 arbitrary changes to the .tex file, then have tex2lyx figure out how to 
 create a new .lyx file. But your collaborator could have done anything. That 
 makes the “modified” file no different from any other completely arbitrary 
 new input file. 
 Steve
  
  
  
 Steve -
  
 I do not think you understood me.  Suppose a create a LyX file and use it to 
 generate a tex file.  I send it to my coauthor who does not use LyX.  He 
 makes modifications to the LaTex file without changing the front material, 
 and sends me his Tex file.  I should be able to use tex2lyx to make a revised 
 version  of my LyX file.  But this requires many corrections by hand.
  
 Hal

Steve -

First of all, tex2lyx already comes close to making a good LyX file.  The main 
problem is that there always seem to be a handful or errors that must be fixed 
before the file will run.  For some reason the program cannot handle options 
like \begin{thm}[Main Lemma], but also other options.  It also seems that 
comments in the Latex file can sometimes produce errors.  A huge annoyance is 
that theorems, etc. are displayed in ERT.

I understand that for arbitrary LaTex files some of these issues maybe very 
complicated or impossible, but what I am asking for does not involve arbitrary 
files.  Let’s take an easy case.  Suppose my coauthor only makes changes 
between \begin{document} and \end{document} of the LaTex file, and does not use 
any new constructs.  Shouldn’t it be possible, perhaps with a helper file that 
records settings and any other special issues, to make a good LyX version?  Or 
even easier, shouldn’t I be able to export a Latex file and then without 
changing it, import it and get the same LyX file back.  Yes, I know there is no 
reason to do this, but it is a benchmark.

Hal 

RE: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Steve Thompson]

If you used Lyx to create the LaTeX file, then you already have the helper
file to that would be needed to work with the LaTeX. It is just the
filename.lyx file that created it in the first place. For my own work, I
do this all the time. Create a document with Lyx, and send it to a journal
as the .tex file with the figure files also attached. 

 

Going the other way just doesn't work. I can't imagine an automated routine
that would look at an arbitrary .tex file and figure out what set of
.layout,  and template files that could be used to create it again. OTOH,
maybe I just don't have sufficient imagination.

 

 

 

From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On Behalf Of
Hal Kierstead
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:54 PM
To: Mike Reeks mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk
Cc: Lyx-users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

 

 

On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Mike Reeks mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk
mailto:mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk  wrote:

 

Dear Lyx Users 

I have written a very large article in Lyx for publication in a scientific
journal  which will only accept the article as a latex file. Of course Lyx
will generate a Latex file as well as a pdf file.  I wanted to check that
the Latex file is acceptable to Lyx. Unfortunately I get an  error window
Lyx insetP  saying 'Unknown parameter name'. So what does that mean? Can
anyone help. Most grateful. Does that mean I will encounter problems using
the latex to produce pdf files direct. It would seem odd that Lyx wont read
the latex file it produces!

Regards

Mike Reeks

 

I have used LyX for a long time, and really like it, but I think this is its
biggest weakness.  I also think this is a major obstacle to its wider
adoption.  When I collaborate with somebody who does not use LyX I am forced
to use LaTex, rather than to be able to show off how easy LyX is to use.  I
understand that it maybe very difficult convert an arbitrary LaTex file LyX,
but it should be routine to convert a LaTex file constructed by LyX, perhaps
by producing an extra helper file during the first conversion.

 

Hal

 

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Hal Kierstead]

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Steve Thompson scth...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If you used Lyx to create the LaTeX file, then you already have the “helper 
 file” to that would be needed to work with the LaTeX. It is just the 
 filename.lyx file that created it in the first place. For my own work, I do 
 this all the time. Create a document with Lyx, and send it to a journal as 
 the .tex file with the figure files also attached. 
  
 Going the other way just doesn’t work. I can’t imagine an automated routine 
 that would look at an arbitrary .tex file and figure out what set of .layout, 
  and template files that could be used to create it again. OTOH, maybe I just 
 don’t have sufficient imagination…
  
  
  
 From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org 
 [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On Behalf 
 Of Hal Kierstead
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:54 PM
 To: Mike Reeks mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk 
 mailto:mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk
 Cc: Lyx-users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Subject: Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx
  
  
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Mike Reeks mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk 
 mailto:mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk wrote:
  
 Dear Lyx Users 
 I have written a very large article in Lyx for publication in a scientific 
 journal  which will only accept the article as a latex file. Of course Lyx 
 will generate a Latex file as well as a pdf file.  I wanted to check that 
 the Latex file is acceptable to Lyx. Unfortunately I get an  error window  
 Lyx insetP  saying 'Unknown parameter name'. So what does that mean? Can 
 anyone help. Most grateful. Does that mean I will encounter problems using 
 the latex to produce pdf files direct. It would seem odd that Lyx wont read 
 the latex file it produces!
 Regards
 Mike Reeks
 
  
 I have used LyX for a long time, and really like it, but I think this is its 
 biggest weakness.  I also think this is a major obstacle to its wider 
 adoption.  When I collaborate with somebody who does not use LyX I am forced 
 to use LaTex, rather than to be able to show off how easy LyX is to use.  I 
 understand that it maybe very difficult convert an arbitrary LaTex file LyX, 
 but it should be routine to convert a LaTex file constructed by LyX, perhaps 
 by producing an extra helper file during the first conversion.
  
 Hal

Steve -

I do not think you understood me.  Suppose a create a LyX file and use it to 
generate a tex file.  I send it to my coauthor who does not use LyX.  He makes 
modifications to the LaTex file without changing the front material, and sends 
me his Tex file.  I should be able to use tex2lyx to make a revised version  of 
my LyX file.  But this requires many corrections by hand.

Hal

RE: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Steve Thompson]

Hal,

I think I did understand. You want your collaborator to be able to make 
arbitrary changes to the .tex file, then have tex2lyx figure out how to create 
a new .lyx file. But your collaborator could have done anything. That makes the 
“modified” file no different from any other completely arbitrary new input 
file. 

Steve

 

 

 

Steve -

 

I do not think you understood me.  Suppose a create a LyX file and use it to 
generate a tex file.  I send it to my coauthor who does not use LyX.  He makes 
modifications to the LaTex file without changing the front material, and sends 
me his Tex file.  I should be able to use tex2lyx to make a revised version  of 
my LyX file.  But this requires many corrections by hand.

 

Hal

RE: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Mike Reeks]

Dear Lyx Users

I have written a very large article in Lyx for publication in a scientific 
journal  which will only accept the article as a latex file. Of course Lyx will 
generate a Latex file as well as a pdf file.  I wanted to check that the Latex 
file is acceptable to Lyx. Unfortunately I get an  error window  Lyx insetP  
saying 'Unknown parameter name'. So what does that mean? Can anyone help. Most 
grateful. Does that mean I will encounter problems using the latex to produce 
pdf files direct. It would seem odd that Lyx wont read the latex file it 
produces!

Regards

Mike Reeks

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Hal Kierstead]

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Mike Reeks mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk wrote:
 
 Dear Lyx Users 
 I have written a very large article in Lyx for publication in a scientific 
 journal  which will only accept the article as a latex file. Of course Lyx 
 will generate a Latex file as well as a pdf file.  I wanted to check that the 
 Latex file is acceptable to Lyx. Unfortunately I get an  error window  Lyx 
 insetP  saying 'Unknown parameter name'. So what does that mean? Can anyone 
 help. Most grateful. Does that mean I will encounter problems using the latex 
 to produce pdf files direct. It would seem odd that Lyx wont read the latex 
 file it produces!
 Regards
 Mike Reeks

I have used LyX for a long time, and really like it, but I think this is its 
biggest weakness.  I also think this is a major obstacle to its wider adoption. 
 When I collaborate with somebody who does not use LyX I am forced to use 
LaTex, rather than to be able to show off how easy LyX is to use.  I understand 
that it maybe very difficult convert an arbitrary LaTex file LyX, but it should 
be routine to convert a LaTex file constructed by LyX, perhaps by producing an 
extra helper file during the first conversion.

Hal

RE: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Mike Reeks]

Dear Lyx Users

I have written a very large article in Lyx for publication in a scientific 
journal  which will only accept the article as a latex file. Of course Lyx will 
generate a Latex file as well as a pdf file.  I wanted to check that the Latex 
file is acceptable to Lyx. Unfortunately I get an  error window  Lyx insetP  
saying 'Unknown parameter name'. So what does that mean? Can anyone help. Most 
grateful. Does that mean I will encounter problems using the latex to produce 
pdf files direct. It would seem odd that Lyx wont read the latex file it 
produces!

Regards

Mike Reeks

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Hal Kierstead]

> On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Mike Reeks  wrote:
> 
> Dear Lyx Users 
> I have written a very large article in Lyx for publication in a scientific 
> journal  which will only accept the article as a latex file. Of course Lyx 
> will generate a Latex file as well as a pdf file.  I wanted to check that the 
> Latex file is acceptable to Lyx. Unfortunately I get an  error window  Lyx 
> insetP  saying 'Unknown parameter name'. So what does that mean? Can anyone 
> help. Most grateful. Does that mean I will encounter problems using the latex 
> to produce pdf files direct. It would seem odd that Lyx wont read the latex 
> file it produces!
> Regards
> Mike Reeks

I have used LyX for a long time, and really like it, but I think this is its 
biggest weakness.  I also think this is a major obstacle to its wider adoption. 
 When I collaborate with somebody who does not use LyX I am forced to use 
LaTex, rather than to be able to show off how easy LyX is to use.  I understand 
that it maybe very difficult convert an arbitrary LaTex file LyX, but it should 
be routine to convert a LaTex file constructed by LyX, perhaps by producing an 
extra helper file during the first conversion.

Hal

RE: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Steve Thompson]

If you used Lyx to create the LaTeX file, then you already have the "helper
file" to that would be needed to work with the LaTeX. It is just the
.lyx file that created it in the first place. For my own work, I
do this all the time. Create a document with Lyx, and send it to a journal
as the .tex file with the figure files also attached. 

 

Going the other way just doesn't work. I can't imagine an automated routine
that would look at an arbitrary .tex file and figure out what set of
.layout,  and template files that could be used to create it again. OTOH,
maybe I just don't have sufficient imagination.

 

 

 

From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On Behalf Of
Hal Kierstead
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:54 PM
To: Mike Reeks <mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk>
Cc: Lyx-users <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>
Subject: Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

 

 

On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Mike Reeks <mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk
<mailto:mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk> > wrote:

 

Dear Lyx Users 

I have written a very large article in Lyx for publication in a scientific
journal  which will only accept the article as a latex file. Of course Lyx
will generate a Latex file as well as a pdf file.  I wanted to check that
the Latex file is acceptable to Lyx. Unfortunately I get an  error window
Lyx insetP  saying 'Unknown parameter name'. So what does that mean? Can
anyone help. Most grateful. Does that mean I will encounter problems using
the latex to produce pdf files direct. It would seem odd that Lyx wont read
the latex file it produces!

Regards

Mike Reeks

 

I have used LyX for a long time, and really like it, but I think this is its
biggest weakness.  I also think this is a major obstacle to its wider
adoption.  When I collaborate with somebody who does not use LyX I am forced
to use LaTex, rather than to be able to show off how easy LyX is to use.  I
understand that it maybe very difficult convert an arbitrary LaTex file LyX,
but it should be routine to convert a LaTex file constructed by LyX, perhaps
by producing an extra helper file during the first conversion.

 

Hal

 

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Hal Kierstead]

> On Aug 13, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Steve Thompson <scth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you used Lyx to create the LaTeX file, then you already have the “helper 
> file” to that would be needed to work with the LaTeX. It is just the 
> .lyx file that created it in the first place. For my own work, I do 
> this all the time. Create a document with Lyx, and send it to a journal as 
> the .tex file with the figure files also attached. 
>  
> Going the other way just doesn’t work. I can’t imagine an automated routine 
> that would look at an arbitrary .tex file and figure out what set of .layout, 
>  and template files that could be used to create it again. OTOH, maybe I just 
> don’t have sufficient imagination…
>  
>  
>  
> From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org <mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> 
> [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org <mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>] On Behalf 
> Of Hal Kierstead
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:54 PM
> To: Mike Reeks <mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk 
> <mailto:mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk>>
> Cc: Lyx-users <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org <mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>>
> Subject: Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx
>  
>  
>> On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Mike Reeks <mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk 
>> <mailto:mike.re...@newcastle.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>  
>> Dear Lyx Users 
>> I have written a very large article in Lyx for publication in a scientific 
>> journal  which will only accept the article as a latex file. Of course Lyx 
>> will generate a Latex file as well as a pdf file.  I wanted to check that 
>> the Latex file is acceptable to Lyx. Unfortunately I get an  error window  
>> Lyx insetP  saying 'Unknown parameter name'. So what does that mean? Can 
>> anyone help. Most grateful. Does that mean I will encounter problems using 
>> the latex to produce pdf files direct. It would seem odd that Lyx wont read 
>> the latex file it produces!
>> Regards
>> Mike Reeks
> 
>  
> I have used LyX for a long time, and really like it, but I think this is its 
> biggest weakness.  I also think this is a major obstacle to its wider 
> adoption.  When I collaborate with somebody who does not use LyX I am forced 
> to use LaTex, rather than to be able to show off how easy LyX is to use.  I 
> understand that it maybe very difficult convert an arbitrary LaTex file LyX, 
> but it should be routine to convert a LaTex file constructed by LyX, perhaps 
> by producing an extra helper file during the first conversion.
>  
> Hal

Steve -

I do not think you understood me.  Suppose a create a LyX file and use it to 
generate a tex file.  I send it to my coauthor who does not use LyX.  He makes 
modifications to the LaTex file without changing the front material, and sends 
me his Tex file.  I should be able to use tex2lyx to make a revised version  of 
my LyX file.  But this requires many corrections by hand.

Hal

RE: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Steve Thompson]

Hal,

I think I did understand. You want your collaborator to be able to make 
arbitrary changes to the .tex file, then have tex2lyx figure out how to create 
a new .lyx file. But your collaborator could have done anything. That makes the 
“modified” file no different from any other completely arbitrary new input 
file. 

Steve

 

 

 

Steve -

 

I do not think you understood me.  Suppose a create a LyX file and use it to 
generate a tex file.  I send it to my coauthor who does not use LyX.  He makes 
modifications to the LaTex file without changing the front material, and sends 
me his Tex file.  I should be able to use tex2lyx to make a revised version  of 
my LyX file.  But this requires many corrections by hand.

 

Hal

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Hal Kierstead]

> On Aug 13, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Steve Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Hal,
> I think I did understand. You want your collaborator to be able to make 
> arbitrary changes to the .tex file, then have tex2lyx figure out how to 
> create a new .lyx file. But your collaborator could have done anything. That 
> makes the “modified” file no different from any other completely arbitrary 
> new input file. 
> Steve
>  
>  
>  
> Steve -
>  
> I do not think you understood me.  Suppose a create a LyX file and use it to 
> generate a tex file.  I send it to my coauthor who does not use LyX.  He 
> makes modifications to the LaTex file without changing the front material, 
> and sends me his Tex file.  I should be able to use tex2lyx to make a revised 
> version  of my LyX file.  But this requires many corrections by hand.
>  
> Hal

Steve -

First of all, tex2lyx already comes close to making a good LyX file.  The main 
problem is that there always seem to be a handful or errors that must be fixed 
before the file will run.  For some reason the program cannot handle options 
like \begin{thm}[Main Lemma], but also other options.  It also seems that 
comments in the Latex file can sometimes produce errors.  A huge annoyance is 
that theorems, etc. are displayed in ERT.

I understand that for arbitrary LaTex files some of these issues maybe very 
complicated or impossible, but what I am asking for does not involve arbitrary 
files.  Let’s take an easy case.  Suppose my coauthor only makes changes 
between \begin{document} and \end{document} of the LaTex file, and does not use 
any new constructs.  Shouldn’t it be possible, perhaps with a helper file that 
records settings and any other special issues, to make a good LyX version?  Or 
even easier, shouldn’t I be able to export a Latex file and then without 
changing it, import it and get the same LyX file back.  Yes, I know there is no 
reason to do this, but it is a benchmark.

Hal 

Re: Lyx to Latex to Lyx

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 6:45 PM, Hal Kierstead  wrote:
>
> On Aug 13, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Steve Thompson  wrote:
>
> Hal,
> I think I did understand. You want your collaborator to be able to make
> arbitrary changes to the .tex file, then have tex2lyx figure out how to
> create a new .lyx file. But your collaborator could have done anything. That
> makes the “modified” file no different from any other completely arbitrary
> new input file.
> Steve
>
>
>
> Steve -
>
> I do not think you understood me.  Suppose a create a LyX file and use it to
> generate a tex file.  I send it to my coauthor who does not use LyX.  He
> makes modifications to the LaTex file without changing the front material,
> and sends me his Tex file.  I should be able to use tex2lyx to make a
> revised version  of my LyX file.  But this requires many corrections by
> hand.
>
> Hal
>
>
> Steve -
>
> First of all, tex2lyx already comes close to making a good LyX file.  The
> main problem is that there always seem to be a handful or errors that must
> be fixed before the file will run.  For some reason the program cannot
> handle options like \begin{thm}[Main Lemma], but also other options.  It
> also seems that comments in the Latex file can sometimes produce errors.  A
> huge annoyance is that theorems, etc. are displayed in ERT.
>
> I understand that for arbitrary LaTex files some of these issues maybe very
> complicated or impossible, but what I am asking for does not involve
> arbitrary files.  Let’s take an easy case.  Suppose my coauthor only makes
> changes between \begin{document} and \end{document} of the LaTex file, and
> does not use any new constructs.  Shouldn’t it be possible, perhaps with a
> helper file that records settings and any other special issues, to make a
> good LyX version?  Or even easier, shouldn’t I be able to export a Latex
> file and then without changing it, import it and get the same LyX file back.
> Yes, I know there is no reason to do this, but it is a benchmark.
>
> Hal

Hal,

I think your reasoning is sound. I agree that it would be really nice
to have clean round trip (even though as Steve rightly points out this
is useless in theory if we don't make any manual change). The reason
is simply that it is hard to import LaTeX, *even* LaTeX that LyX
produces. Sometimes one way is easier than the other way. tex2lyx is
actually a completely separate program from LyX (it is literally a
separate binary program). There is no communication between the two.
Communication wouldn't even help. Import is just a completely
different procedure from export.

Many people (including myself) agree with you that it would be nice to
have this. To see previous discussions on this topic, search for "LyX
roundtrip LaTeX" or something similar.

Best,

Scott

Re: Lyx to Latex backto Lyx

[Matej Cepl]

LB wrote:
 Is it a good idea to avoid underscores and use hyphens instead?

Yes, underscores have tendency to confuse LaTeX (being a sign for subscript)
and they need to be protected. If you can, avoid them.

Matej

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mere coincidence that six of the last seven presidents were potty
trained, not to mention nearly half of the nation's state legislators.
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Re: Lyx to Latex backto Lyx

[Matej Cepl]

LB wrote:
 Is it a good idea to avoid underscores and use hyphens instead?

Yes, underscores have tendency to confuse LaTeX (being a sign for subscript)
and they need to be protected. If you can, avoid them.

Matej

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138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488
 
A child can go only so far in life without potty training.  It is not
mere coincidence that six of the last seven presidents were potty
trained, not to mention nearly half of the nation's state legislators.
  -- Dave Barry

Re: Lyx to Latex backto Lyx

[Matej Cepl]

LB wrote:
> Is it a good idea to avoid underscores and use hyphens instead?

Yes, underscores have tendency to confuse LaTeX (being a sign for subscript)
and they need to be protected. If you can, avoid them.

Matej

-- 
Matej Cepl, http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej
GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB  25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC
138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488
 
A child can go only so far in life without potty training.  It is not
mere coincidence that six of the last seven presidents were potty
trained, not to mention nearly half of the nation's state legislators.
  -- Dave Barry

Re: Lyx to Latex backto Lyx

[Georg Baum]

Am Samstag, 4. Dezember 2004 00:32 schrieb LB:

 1)  The graphics appear inserted with a latex commands so they don't 
get 
 displayed in the document

relyx may have problems with some graphics, but in general it should 
recognize them.

 2)  For no apparent reason I use a lot of underscores in all my labels 
and 
 in citation references, for example I use authorsname_1 and 
authorsname_2 to 
 distinguish different publications by the same author.  It looks like 
the 
 underscores are not understood by relyx.  Everywhere where underscore 
was 
 relyx decided that the citation or label was over and the rest of them 
 appeared as text in the document so if I had a caption of a figure 
labelled 
 Pretty-figure_1 then the relyxed label would be Pretty-figure and 1} 
would 
 appear in the document where the cross reference was inserted.  Does 
my 
 description make sense?

It is a known bug in relyx.

 Is it a good idea to avoid underscores and use hyphens instead?

Yes if you need this round trip. An alternative is to use tex2lyx, the 
successor of relyx, but this involves some initial work. tex2lyx has no 
problems with underscores in labels and graphics. Search for messages 
by Angus Leeming concerning tex2lyx in the mailing list archive (or is 
there a wiki page?) for more information.


Georg

Re: Lyx to Latex backto Lyx

[Georg Baum]

Am Samstag, 4. Dezember 2004 00:32 schrieb LB:

 1)  The graphics appear inserted with a latex commands so they don't 
get 
 displayed in the document

relyx may have problems with some graphics, but in general it should 
recognize them.

 2)  For no apparent reason I use a lot of underscores in all my labels 
and 
 in citation references, for example I use authorsname_1 and 
authorsname_2 to 
 distinguish different publications by the same author.  It looks like 
the 
 underscores are not understood by relyx.  Everywhere where underscore 
was 
 relyx decided that the citation or label was over and the rest of them 
 appeared as text in the document so if I had a caption of a figure 
labelled 
 Pretty-figure_1 then the relyxed label would be Pretty-figure and 1} 
would 
 appear in the document where the cross reference was inserted.  Does 
my 
 description make sense?

It is a known bug in relyx.

 Is it a good idea to avoid underscores and use hyphens instead?

Yes if you need this round trip. An alternative is to use tex2lyx, the 
successor of relyx, but this involves some initial work. tex2lyx has no 
problems with underscores in labels and graphics. Search for messages 
by Angus Leeming concerning tex2lyx in the mailing list archive (or is 
there a wiki page?) for more information.


Georg

Re: Lyx to Latex backto Lyx

[Georg Baum]

Am Samstag, 4. Dezember 2004 00:32 schrieb LB:

> 1)  The graphics appear inserted with a latex commands so they don't 
get 
> displayed in the document

relyx may have problems with some graphics, but in general it should 
recognize them.

> 2)  For no apparent reason I use a lot of underscores in all my labels 
and 
> in citation references, for example I use authorsname_1 and 
authorsname_2 to 
> distinguish different publications by the same author.  It looks like 
the 
> underscores are not understood by relyx.  Everywhere where underscore 
was 
> relyx decided that the citation or label was over and the rest of them 
> appeared as text in the document so if I had a caption of a figure 
labelled 
> Pretty-figure_1 then the relyxed label would be Pretty-figure and 1} 
would 
> appear in the document where the cross reference was inserted.  Does 
my 
> description make sense?

It is a known bug in relyx.

> Is it a good idea to avoid underscores and use hyphens instead?

Yes if you need this round trip. An alternative is to use tex2lyx, the 
successor of relyx, but this involves some initial work. tex2lyx has no 
problems with underscores in labels and graphics. Search for messages 
by Angus Leeming concerning tex2lyx in the mailing list archive (or is 
there a wiki page?) for more information.


Georg

Re: Lyx upgrade Latex to Lyx *.cls files

[Herbert Voss]

Carole Womeldorf wrote:

 Quick question - will I be losing any functionality by doing this?  Are
 tetex-latex and tetex-dvips already in my version of teTeX (beta.20020207-70)
 but just not registering as individual programs in the rpm database?


there is no problem

Herbert



-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Re: Lyx upgrade Latex to Lyx *.cls files

[Herbert Voss]

Carole Womeldorf wrote:

 Quick question - will I be losing any functionality by doing this?  Are
 tetex-latex and tetex-dvips already in my version of teTeX (beta.20020207-70)
 but just not registering as individual programs in the rpm database?


there is no problem

Herbert



-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Re: Lyx upgrade & Latex to Lyx & *.cls files

[Herbert Voss]

Carole Womeldorf wrote:

> Quick question - will I be losing any functionality by doing this?  Are
> tetex-latex and tetex-dvips already in my version of teTeX (beta.20020207-70)
> but just not registering as individual programs in the rpm database?


there is no problem

Herbert



-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Re: Lyx upgrade Latex to Lyx *.cls files

[Herbert Voss]

Carole Womeldorf wrote:

 On my SuSE 8.0 system, I want to upgrade my Lyx version (currently
 1.1.6fix4) - however when I run rpm -Uvh --test lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm I


rpm -Uvh --nodeps 

 Also
 1)  Is there a good guide for a newbie to learn to turn a *.cls file
 into something useful in Lyx


http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/layouts/layout.phtml

 2)  Are there many demos of different journal article formats somewhere?


http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/layouts/templates.phtml

and the examples which are part of LyX



Herbert




-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Re: Lyx upgrade Latex to Lyx *.cls files

[Carole Womeldorf]

Herbert Voss wrote:

 Carole Womeldorf wrote:
  On my SuSE 8.0 system, I want to upgrade my Lyx version (currently
  1.1.6fix4) - however when I run rpm -Uvh --test lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm I

 rpm -Uvh --nodeps 

Thanks for all the tips, Herbert.

Quick question - will I be losing any functionality by doing this?  Are
tetex-latex and tetex-dvips already in my version of teTeX (beta.20020207-70)
but just not registering as individual programs in the rpm database?

Carole

Re: Lyx upgrade Latex to Lyx *.cls files

[Andre Poenitz]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 03:59:45PM -0400, Carole Womeldorf wrote:
 On my SuSE 8.0 system, I want to upgrade my Lyx version (currently
 1.1.6fix4) - however when I run rpm -Uvh --test lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm I
 get failed dependencies tetex-dvips and tetex-latex.  I tried
 installing the rpms from tetex but I must have gotten the wrong
 versions.  My current version of teTeX is beta.20020207-70.
 Suggestions?

rpm -Uvh --nodeps lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm  ;-)

 Also
 1)  Is there a good guide for a newbie to learn to turn a *.cls file
 into something useful in Lyx

None that I am aware of. Best way is probably to copy some existing
.layout and tweak this.

 2)  Are there many demos of different journal article formats somewhere?

'Many' is the wrong word. There are a few article .layout files in
/lib/layouts/ though.

Andre'

-- 
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: Lyx upgrade Latex to Lyx *.cls files

[Andre Poenitz]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 07:20:47PM -0400, Carole Womeldorf wrote:
 Herbert Voss wrote:
 
  Carole Womeldorf wrote:
   On my SuSE 8.0 system, I want to upgrade my Lyx version (currently
   1.1.6fix4) - however when I run rpm -Uvh --test lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm I
 
  rpm -Uvh --nodeps 
 
 Thanks for all the tips, Herbert.
 
 Quick question - will I be losing any functionality by doing this?  Are
 tetex-latex and tetex-dvips already in my version of teTeX (beta.20020207-70)
 but just not registering as individual programs in the rpm database?

They are probably there but registered with another name. On SuSE 7.3:

rpm -qa | grep tex:

te_etex-1.0.7-319
tetex-latex-heb-1.0-3
te_latex-1.0.7-285
tetex-1.0.7-285

The problem is that the dependencies built into the .rpm are for RedHat
packages, and naming differs between RedHat and SuSE.

If you have teTeX installed you should not encounter any problems when
using --nodeps.

Andre'

-- 
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: Lyx upgrade Latex to Lyx *.cls files

[Herbert Voss]

Carole Womeldorf wrote:

 On my SuSE 8.0 system, I want to upgrade my Lyx version (currently
 1.1.6fix4) - however when I run rpm -Uvh --test lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm I


rpm -Uvh --nodeps 

 Also
 1)  Is there a good guide for a newbie to learn to turn a *.cls file
 into something useful in Lyx


http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/layouts/layout.phtml

 2)  Are there many demos of different journal article formats somewhere?


http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/layouts/templates.phtml

and the examples which are part of LyX



Herbert




-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Re: Lyx upgrade Latex to Lyx *.cls files

[Carole Womeldorf]

Herbert Voss wrote:

 Carole Womeldorf wrote:
  On my SuSE 8.0 system, I want to upgrade my Lyx version (currently
  1.1.6fix4) - however when I run rpm -Uvh --test lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm I

 rpm -Uvh --nodeps 

Thanks for all the tips, Herbert.

Quick question - will I be losing any functionality by doing this?  Are
tetex-latex and tetex-dvips already in my version of teTeX (beta.20020207-70)
but just not registering as individual programs in the rpm database?

Carole

Re: Lyx upgrade Latex to Lyx *.cls files

[Andre Poenitz]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 03:59:45PM -0400, Carole Womeldorf wrote:
 On my SuSE 8.0 system, I want to upgrade my Lyx version (currently
 1.1.6fix4) - however when I run rpm -Uvh --test lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm I
 get failed dependencies tetex-dvips and tetex-latex.  I tried
 installing the rpms from tetex but I must have gotten the wrong
 versions.  My current version of teTeX is beta.20020207-70.
 Suggestions?

rpm -Uvh --nodeps lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm  ;-)

 Also
 1)  Is there a good guide for a newbie to learn to turn a *.cls file
 into something useful in Lyx

None that I am aware of. Best way is probably to copy some existing
.layout and tweak this.

 2)  Are there many demos of different journal article formats somewhere?

'Many' is the wrong word. There are a few article .layout files in
/lib/layouts/ though.

Andre'

-- 
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: Lyx upgrade Latex to Lyx *.cls files

[Andre Poenitz]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 07:20:47PM -0400, Carole Womeldorf wrote:
 Herbert Voss wrote:
 
  Carole Womeldorf wrote:
   On my SuSE 8.0 system, I want to upgrade my Lyx version (currently
   1.1.6fix4) - however when I run rpm -Uvh --test lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm I
 
  rpm -Uvh --nodeps 
 
 Thanks for all the tips, Herbert.
 
 Quick question - will I be losing any functionality by doing this?  Are
 tetex-latex and tetex-dvips already in my version of teTeX (beta.20020207-70)
 but just not registering as individual programs in the rpm database?

They are probably there but registered with another name. On SuSE 7.3:

rpm -qa | grep tex:

te_etex-1.0.7-319
tetex-latex-heb-1.0-3
te_latex-1.0.7-285
tetex-1.0.7-285

The problem is that the dependencies built into the .rpm are for RedHat
packages, and naming differs between RedHat and SuSE.

If you have teTeX installed you should not encounter any problems when
using --nodeps.

Andre'

-- 
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: Lyx upgrade & Latex to Lyx & *.cls files

[Herbert Voss]

Carole Womeldorf wrote:

> On my SuSE 8.0 system, I want to upgrade my Lyx version (currently
> 1.1.6fix4) - however when I run "rpm -Uvh --test lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm" I


rpm -Uvh --nodeps 

> Also
> 1)  Is there a good guide for a newbie to learn to turn a *.cls file
> into something useful in Lyx


http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/layouts/layout.phtml

> 2)  Are there many demos of different journal article formats somewhere?


http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/layouts/templates.phtml

and the examples which are part of LyX



Herbert




-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Re: Lyx upgrade & Latex to Lyx & *.cls files

[Carole Womeldorf]

Herbert Voss wrote:

> Carole Womeldorf wrote:
> > On my SuSE 8.0 system, I want to upgrade my Lyx version (currently
> > 1.1.6fix4) - however when I run "rpm -Uvh --test lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm" I
>
> rpm -Uvh --nodeps 

Thanks for all the tips, Herbert.

Quick question - will I be losing any functionality by doing this?  Are
tetex-latex and tetex-dvips already in my version of teTeX (beta.20020207-70)
but just not registering as individual programs in the rpm database?

Carole

Re: Lyx upgrade & Latex to Lyx & *.cls files

[Andre Poenitz]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 03:59:45PM -0400, Carole Womeldorf wrote:
> On my SuSE 8.0 system, I want to upgrade my Lyx version (currently
> 1.1.6fix4) - however when I run "rpm -Uvh --test lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm" I
> get failed dependencies "tetex-dvips" and "tetex-latex."  I tried
> installing the rpms from tetex but I must have gotten the wrong
> versions.  My current version of teTeX is beta.20020207-70.
> Suggestions?

rpm -Uvh --nodeps lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm  ;-)

> Also
> 1)  Is there a good guide for a newbie to learn to turn a *.cls file
> into something useful in Lyx

None that I am aware of. Best way is probably to copy some existing
.layout and tweak this.

> 2)  Are there many demos of different journal article formats somewhere?

'Many' is the wrong word. There are a few article .layout files in
/lib/layouts/ though.

Andre'

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Re: Lyx upgrade & Latex to Lyx & *.cls files

[Andre Poenitz]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 07:20:47PM -0400, Carole Womeldorf wrote:
> Herbert Voss wrote:
> 
> > Carole Womeldorf wrote:
> > > On my SuSE 8.0 system, I want to upgrade my Lyx version (currently
> > > 1.1.6fix4) - however when I run "rpm -Uvh --test lyx-1.2.1-1.i386.rpm" I
> >
> > rpm -Uvh --nodeps 
> 
> Thanks for all the tips, Herbert.
> 
> Quick question - will I be losing any functionality by doing this?  Are
> tetex-latex and tetex-dvips already in my version of teTeX (beta.20020207-70)
> but just not registering as individual programs in the rpm database?

They are probably there but registered with another name. On SuSE 7.3:

rpm -qa | grep tex:

te_etex-1.0.7-319
tetex-latex-heb-1.0-3
te_latex-1.0.7-285
tetex-1.0.7-285

The problem is that the dependencies built into the .rpm are for RedHat
packages, and naming differs between RedHat and SuSE.

If you have teTeX installed you should not encounter any problems when
using --nodeps.

Andre'

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Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,
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Re: LyX to LaTeX without LyX code in .tex file

[Andre Poenitz]

On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 05:51:29PM +0200, Adolfo Pachón wrote:
 2. I try to generate the HTML version from the .tex file, and there are
 some problems that I resolve deleting the lines about %%% LyX
 specific LaTeX commands.

Which problems?

 How can I generate LaTeX from Lyx whithout LyX code in the .tex result?

You could write a script that deletes that part of the .tex file...

Andre'

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André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: LyX to LaTeX without LyX code in .tex file

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

From: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:54:49 +0200
To: Adolfo Pachón [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LyX to LaTeX without LyX code in .tex file

On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 05:51:29PM +0200, Adolfo Pachón wrote:
 2. I try to generate the HTML version from the .tex file, and there are
 some problems that I resolve deleting the lines about %%% LyX
 specific LaTeX commands.

Which problems?

 How can I generate LaTeX from Lyx whithout LyX code in the .tex result?

You could write a script that deletes that part of the .tex file...

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This is embedded in the latex2html script already:
 - in the preamble
\usepackage{html}
 - in ERT
\begin{latexonly}
...
\end{latexonly}
around the LyX code.

-- 
Jean-Pierre

Re: LyX to LaTeX without LyX code in .tex file

[Andre Poenitz]

On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 05:51:29PM +0200, Adolfo Pachón wrote:
 2. I try to generate the HTML version from the .tex file, and there are
 some problems that I resolve deleting the lines about %%% LyX
 specific LaTeX commands.

Which problems?

 How can I generate LaTeX from Lyx whithout LyX code in the .tex result?

You could write a script that deletes that part of the .tex file...

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: LyX to LaTeX without LyX code in .tex file

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

From: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:54:49 +0200
To: Adolfo Pachón [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LyX to LaTeX without LyX code in .tex file

On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 05:51:29PM +0200, Adolfo Pachón wrote:
 2. I try to generate the HTML version from the .tex file, and there are
 some problems that I resolve deleting the lines about %%% LyX
 specific LaTeX commands.

Which problems?

 How can I generate LaTeX from Lyx whithout LyX code in the .tex result?

You could write a script that deletes that part of the .tex file...

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This is embedded in the latex2html script already:
 - in the preamble
\usepackage{html}
 - in ERT
\begin{latexonly}
...
\end{latexonly}
around the LyX code.

-- 
Jean-Pierre

Re: LyX to LaTeX without LyX code in .tex file

[Andre Poenitz]

On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 05:51:29PM +0200, Adolfo Pachón wrote:
> 2. I try to generate the HTML version from the .tex file, and there are
> some problems that I resolve deleting the lines about "%%% LyX
> specific LaTeX commands".

Which problems?

> How can I generate LaTeX from Lyx whithout LyX code in the .tex result?

You could write a script that deletes that part of the .tex file...

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: LyX to LaTeX without LyX code in .tex file

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

>>From: Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:54:49 +0200
>>To: Adolfo Pachón <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: LyX to LaTeX without LyX code in .tex file
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 05:51:29PM +0200, Adolfo Pachón wrote:
>>> 2. I try to generate the HTML version from the .tex file, and there are
>>> some problems that I resolve deleting the lines about "%%% LyX
>>> specific LaTeX commands".
>>
>>Which problems?
>>
>>> How can I generate LaTeX from Lyx whithout LyX code in the .tex result?
>>
>>You could write a script that deletes that part of the .tex file...
>>
>>Andre'
>>
>>-- 
>>André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This is embedded in the latex2html script already:
 - in the preamble
\usepackage{html}
 - in ERT
\begin{latexonly}
...
\end{latexonly}
around the LyX code.

-- 
Jean-Pierre