Re: text styles
Drew Kime wrote: Does anyone know of a tool that helps in the building of new styles? I've learned enough Latex to tweak existing styles, etc. but I'm a writer, not a typesetter. I know my book looks better when I use Lyx/Latex than with something like OpenOffice, so I'll keep using it. Still, every time I have to dig into Latex code to change a style, I think about how easy that is to do in OOo. Even if a good "style editor" is made, it won't save you from needing some latex knowledge. Such a thing can easily save you from having to know the format of .layout files though, they are LyX constructs. But once you need some special latex command, you still have to know that command. Unless someone makes a style editor that knows all of latex, which isn't realistic. Helge Hafting
Re: text styles
Drew Kime wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Guenter Milde wrote: My advice is to use an existing module (e.g. logicalmkup.module) as starting point. There is a whole selection under LYXDIR/layout/ (where LYXDIR is a system/installation dependent location, e.g. /usr/share/lyx/). Does anyone know of a tool that helps in the building of new styles? I've learned enough Latex to tweak existing styles, etc. but I'm a writer, not a typesetter. I know my book looks better when I use Lyx/Latex than with something like OpenOffice, so I'll keep using it. Still, every time I have to dig into Latex code to change a style, I think about how easy that is to do in OOo. This is an often requested new feature. At the moment, the best tool is this mailing list. Ask away. rh
Re: text styles
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Guenter Milde wrote: > My advice is to use an existing module (e.g. logicalmkup.module) as > starting point. There is a whole selection under LYXDIR/layout/ (where > LYXDIR is a system/installation dependent location, e.g. > /usr/share/lyx/). > Does anyone know of a tool that helps in the building of new styles? I've learned enough Latex to tweak existing styles, etc. but I'm a writer, not a typesetter. I know my book looks better when I use Lyx/Latex than with something like OpenOffice, so I'll keep using it. Still, every time I have to dig into Latex code to change a style, I think about how easy that is to do in OOo. Thanks in advance for any pointers. Drew
Re: text styles
On 2009-04-30, Helge Hafting wrote: > Drew Kime wrote: >> ... I've found designing my own type styles somewhat less than user >> friendly. I'm sure it's one of those things that, once learned, seems >> second nature. But the learning curve is pretty steep. > Indeed, but it might be worth it for an entire book. > Now while lyx styles may be hard to make for the average word processor > user. I don't think it is so hard for someone who already understands > and can deal with latex. My advice is to use an existing module (e.g. logicalmkup.module) as starting point. There is a whole selection under LYXDIR/layout/ (where LYXDIR is a system/installation dependent location, e.g. /usr/share/lyx/). Günter
Re: text styles
Drew Kime wrote: 2009/4/28 Steve Litt Lyx has an option to specify a typewriter face. Simply highlight the text, click on Edit->Text Style->Customized, and under "Family" select Typewriter. Then check what it does to the code, and do a global replace to get all occurrences. You can do that, but in my opinion it's a bad idea because the text should be Typewriter for some specific reason. There could be several parts that are Typewriter faced for different reasons, and once you say "typewriter face", you've put them all in one bucket. If you use character styles instead, then if later you decide a certain category should also be boldface, you can do that. In principle I agree with you. But I've found designing my own type styles somewhat less than user friendly. I'm sure it's one of those things that, once learned, seems second nature. But the learning curve is pretty steep. Indeed, but it might be worth it for an entire book. Now while lyx styles may be hard to make for the average word processor user. I don't think it is so hard for someone who already understands and can deal with latex. Helge Hafting
Re: text styles
Drew Kime wrote: 2009/4/28 Steve Litt Lyx has an option to specify a typewriter face. Simply highlight the text, click on Edit->Text Style->Customized, and under "Family" select Typewriter. Then check what it does to the code, and do a global replace to get all occurrences. You can do that, but in my opinion it's a bad idea because the text should be Typewriter for some specific reason. There could be several parts that are Typewriter faced for different reasons, and once you say "typewriter face", you've put them all in one bucket. If you use character styles instead, then if later you decide a certain category should also be boldface, you can do that. In principle I agree with you. But I've found designing my own type styles somewhat less than user friendly. I'm sure it's one of those things that, once learned, seems second nature. But the learning curve is pretty steep. Try using the pre-defined Code style. You can get used to that very fast. rh
Re: text styles
2009/4/28 Steve Litt > > Lyx has an option to specify a typewriter face. Simply highlight the > text, > > click on Edit->Text Style->Customized, and under "Family" select > > Typewriter. Then check what it does to the code, and do a global replace > to > > get all occurrences. > > You can do that, but in my opinion it's a bad idea because the text should > be > Typewriter for some specific reason. There could be several parts that are > Typewriter faced for different reasons, and once you say "typewriter face", > you've put them all in one bucket. If you use character styles instead, > then > if later you decide a certain category should also be boldface, you can do > that. In principle I agree with you. But I've found designing my own type styles somewhat less than user friendly. I'm sure it's one of those things that, once learned, seems second nature. But the learning curve is pretty steep. Drew
Re: text styles
On Monday 27 April 2009 11:51:38 pm Drew Kime wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 8:02 PM, tedc wrote:
> > So my question is: how do I tell LyX or LaTeX that
> > \textstyleInlinecode{for i=0,n-1}
> > means to render
> > for i=0,n-1
> > with a specified typeface? or at least as "typewriter"?
> > --
>
> Lyx has an option to specify a typewriter face. Simply highlight the text,
> click on Edit->Text Style->Customized, and under "Family" select
> Typewriter. Then check what it does to the code, and do a global replace to
> get all occurrences.
>
> Drew
You can do that, but in my opinion it's a bad idea because the text should be
Typewriter for some specific reason. There could be several parts that are
Typewriter faced for different reasons, and once you say "typewriter face",
you've put them all in one bucket. If you use character styles instead, then
if later you decide a certain category should also be boldface, you can do
that.
STevET
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Re: text styles
tedc wrote:
I do have one question, though. The OO file used "text styles" to specify
the formatting of inline source code, names of GUI tools, and chapter
crossreferences. In LyX these show up as ERT, like the boldfaced bit here:
\textstyleInlinecode{for i=0,n-1}
When I click on View DVI, these generate "Undefined control sequence"
errors.
I could, of course, use sed or awk to replace these with LyX markup that
would force the "correct" typeface (in this case, the typewriter family),
but I'd rather leave the markup unchanged, and have LyX or LaTeX figure out
what to do.
So my question is: how do I tell LyX or LaTeX that
\textstyleInlinecode{for i=0,n-1}
means to render
for i=0,n-1
with a specified typeface? or at least as "typewriter"?
Early in the TeX file that OO emitted, there should be a definition of
the \textstyleInlinecode command, something like
\newcommand{\textstyleInlinecode}{...} (or possibly \providecommand
rather than \newcommand). If you copy that and paste it into the
preamble of your LyX document, it should do the job. For long-term
document maintenance I'd be inclined to go the route Richard suggests,
but the above should work as a short term hack. The one catch is that
it will (hopefully) display the text correctly in the PDF (or whatever)
output, but in the LyX GUI I believe you'll get the LyX commands and not
the formatted text.
/Paul
Re: text styles
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 8:02 PM, tedc wrote:
> So my question is: how do I tell LyX or LaTeX that
> \textstyleInlinecode{for i=0,n-1}
> means to render
> for i=0,n-1
> with a specified typeface? or at least as "typewriter"?
> --
>
Lyx has an option to specify a typewriter face. Simply highlight the text,
click on Edit->Text Style->Customized, and under "Family" select Typewriter.
Then check what it does to the code, and do a global replace to get all
occurrences.
Drew
Re: text styles
tedc wrote:
I'm thinking of using LyX to write the 2nd edition of a book. The 1st edition
was done with OpenOffice, but production was a nightmare because OO didn't
fit with the publisher's workflow. The publisher had the whole thing
retyped, which introduced countless errors and generally broke formatting--a
major concern in this book which contains lots of source code, mathematical
symbols, chemical reaction notation etc..
The publisher will accept LaTeX, which gives LyX a tremendous potential
advantage. Exporting from OO to tex does damage some of the formatting, but
it does preserve many essentials such as index tags. The resulting files
import into LyX, seem to work more or less with the publisher's cls file,
and it looks like I can repair the broken formatting with LyX.
I do have one question, though. The OO file used "text styles" to specify
the formatting of inline source code, names of GUI tools, and chapter
crossreferences. In LyX these show up as ERT, like the boldfaced bit here:
\textstyleInlinecode{for i=0,n-1}
When I click on View DVI, these generate "Undefined control sequence"
errors.
I could, of course, use sed or awk to replace these with LyX markup that
would force the "correct" typeface (in this case, the typewriter family),
but I'd rather leave the markup unchanged, and have LyX or LaTeX figure out
what to do.
So my question is: how do I tell LyX or LaTeX that
\textstyleInlinecode{for i=0,n-1}
means to render
for i=0,n-1
with a specified typeface? or at least as "typewriter"?
There are going to be a lot of ways to do this. But I think all of them
will involve using sed or whatever to replace this kind of command with
something more sensible, preferably, a LyX character style. I think the
way to go here would be to do the import into LyX and then write a
script to convert things that will look more or less like this:
\begin_inset ERT
\begin_layout Plain Layout
\textstyleInlinecode{for i=0,n-1}
\end_layout
\end_inset
with something more like this:
\begin_layout Flex CharStyle:Code
status closed
\begin_layout Plain Layout
for i=0,n=1
\end_layout
\end_inset
This is easy, eventually, though fiddly.
In this case, you can use the Logical Markup module, which already
defines the Code charstyle. In other cases, you may want to roll your own.
rh
text styles
I'm thinking of using LyX to write the 2nd edition of a book. The 1st edition
was done with OpenOffice, but production was a nightmare because OO didn't
fit with the publisher's workflow. The publisher had the whole thing
retyped, which introduced countless errors and generally broke formatting--a
major concern in this book which contains lots of source code, mathematical
symbols, chemical reaction notation etc..
The publisher will accept LaTeX, which gives LyX a tremendous potential
advantage. Exporting from OO to tex does damage some of the formatting, but
it does preserve many essentials such as index tags. The resulting files
import into LyX, seem to work more or less with the publisher's cls file,
and it looks like I can repair the broken formatting with LyX.
I do have one question, though. The OO file used "text styles" to specify
the formatting of inline source code, names of GUI tools, and chapter
crossreferences. In LyX these show up as ERT, like the boldfaced bit here:
\textstyleInlinecode{for i=0,n-1}
When I click on View DVI, these generate "Undefined control sequence"
errors.
I could, of course, use sed or awk to replace these with LyX markup that
would force the "correct" typeface (in this case, the typewriter family),
but I'd rather leave the markup unchanged, and have LyX or LaTeX figure out
what to do.
So my question is: how do I tell LyX or LaTeX that
\textstyleInlinecode{for i=0,n-1}
means to render
for i=0,n-1
with a specified typeface? or at least as "typewriter"?
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