Hi Chris
My apologies for the delayed response, we are miles behind on E-Mail. I take
your points regarding professional circumstances. You're correct, of course,
in your assertion that one has to use the most appropriate tool to get the job
done quickly and efficiently. I have to confess
won't be
listen to! Frankly, I'm almost ready to give engineering a piece
of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami
marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X
Hi Mary,
Your use-cases are very interesting and mirror mine. The reality is that
sometimes having a PDF in continuous view mode and just letting voiceover read
it isn't what people need. I frequently need to have Preview set to single
page mode and VO, and this is not a gripe supposition or
Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I
doubt they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have not
ten
Hopefully, this did not make the list the first time, as I might have sent
it has a draft this morning before it was complete.
Hi Chris,
Arrogance? Where do you get that from? Maybe, it came across that way in the
vehicle as text, but anyone who knows me knows I am the farthest thing
John,
Could you tell us about the email address you run and how to get on it? I love
to tap multiple sources! If this information isn't appropriate for this list,
could you send it to me directly? Thanks so much!
Desi
mailto:desiandca...@q.com
On Jul 23, 2013, at 12:31 PM, John Panarese
Hi Desi,
I'll answer for John by pointing you to his macfortheblind.com web site that is
listed in his signature. I know that we've picked up a lot of new members from
folks who have visited John's web site. Specifically, if you look on his
Links page of resources and mailing lists, the
-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I
doubt they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have not
ten no more responses even through
k Alawami
marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I
doubt they will continue
- From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I doubt
I think it's just a matter of who you're fortunate enough to happen to deal
with in either case. But let me highlight another of these unfortunate issues
with Apple. About 3 years ago now, I highlighted an accessibility issue with
Apple's technical people regarding an issue in their Server
a piece of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I
1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I
doubt they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have not ten
no more responses even through the bug tracker I use.
On Jul 19, 2013
- From: Sarah k Alawami
marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I
doubt
to!
Frankly, I'm almost ready to give engineering a piece of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from
won't be listen to! Frankly, I'm almost
ready to give engineering a piece of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami
marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X
.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I
Gordon,
I rest my case. I have reported numerous bugs to Apple over the years, and
even beta tested previous OS builds. Very few of the bugs were addressed.
I suppose Apple could argue that not many blind users may require
administration services, probably a small audience (despite it
Alawami
marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact
I doubt they will continue to improve
, I'm almost
ready to give engineering a piece of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami
marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from
Chris
I agree with your comments regarding Office products and I did try to make that
clear in a previous post. There are issues with VoiceOver, Pages and possibly
OS X in general which I do find frustrating. Yes, I think it would be good if
Apple could do something about these issues. But
of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami
marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I
- From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I
doubt
Gordon,
Thanks for your response, and I have no desire to completely jump ship to
Windows. I use Windows for work and Mac for pleasure (and some work). I am a
mac boy, and will just keep nagging them until they eventually listen.
Tables is ok for basic stuff, but try using JAWS with Excel,
to give engineering a piece of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami
marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's
19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact
I doubt they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have
not ten no more responses even through the bug tracker I use.
On Jul 19
to give engineering a piece
of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami
marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's
John,
Seems to me you didn't really address some of Chris's specific issues with Mac
as compared to his use of Jaws or NVDA with Windows. pdf on the Mac is a joke
compared with Windows; sorry, but cutting and pasting in to text edit isn't my
idea of reasonable access. And the fact that I can't
Alright, I, myself, am a political science major in college. I will admit that
the Mac may have some accessibility issues, but none that can't be fixed with a
bit of software updating and hole patching. I understand that some users have
more high-end demand, and that's fine, but what I use the
Josh,
I'm sorry, but how do you read tables in pdf documents and how do you deal with
those pdf documents you receive which are image onkly? The problem with
expecting pdf docs to be properly tagged is that the huge majority of them are
not, because people don't know anything about tagging pdf
To be completely honest Mary, I've never had to deal with any of those things
as of yet. This, if anything, is the reason why I'm looking to get a secondhand
computer with another operating system.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 22, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
Josh,
Actually for me black board is usable, unless you want to view an attachment
sent by a professor. That might have changed, but my university I think is
still using black board from 2009. I can use it fine with firefox and another
OS and it is totally usable so there again is a difference of
The way to deal with image only pdfs is to use a service I I found at
http://www.onlineocr.net
You can find my youtube video I did here. In fact the devs loved the thing so
much I got some free creds. lol! And normally my videos suck. lol!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgFyG6LciRs
Tc
Right, my community college where I attend college is using version nine
something.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 22, 2013, at 8:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually for me black board is usable, unless you want to view an attachment
sent by a professor. That might have
Actually, you can also deal with an image only pdf with docuscan plus, which I
have. But there is no way to clean up errors, except laboriously by hand, which
is a time suck, and then when I'm done, I have an html document, which I guess
is ok unless I want to interact and copy bits and pieces,
You can save it as word, rtf and other formats and it works well. Iused it to
read articles sent to me by my prof. Passed the class to. and the service was
almost flawless. Listen to the video. I think I showed a pdf image thing on
there.
Tc all.
On Jul 22, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Mary Otten
Hi Mary,
Here is the problem. Firstly, having been on email lists for years, these
types of discussions come up, people make suggestions and find solutions, and
the subject is lost. Being that I am on so many lists, I have no idea who said
what and where.
My point is, a lot of what people
Mary,
I totally agree with everything you have said.
John, it appears you think I am being harsh an expressing an unfounded sweeping
statement about Mac accessibility. My opinion is based on fact and experience.
You have also assumed that I have not looked for solution either via Google or
almost ready to give engineering a piece of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I
doubt they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have not
ten no more responses even through
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I doubt
they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have
- From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I doubt
of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received
to! Frankly, I'm almost ready to give
engineering a piece of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from
to! Frankly, I'm
almost ready to give engineering a piece of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view
- From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I doubt
ready to give engineering a piece of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's
.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well
engineering a piece of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response
: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I
doubt they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have not
ten no more responses even through the bug tracker I use.
On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Josh Gregory
...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I
doubt they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I
19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I
doubt they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have not ten
no more responses even through the bug tracker I use.
On Jul 19
OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I
doubt they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have not
ten
won't
be listen to! Frankly, I'm almost ready to give engineering a piece
of my mind!
Chris.
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami
marri...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X
This reminds me of humanware, LOL.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
wrote:
Well this is truly helpful! Really Apple accessibility customer care (or
whatever the PR gurus call them these days) have excelled themselves. See
the
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I doubt they
will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have not ten no more
responses even through the bug tracker I use.
On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
This reminds me of
I agree. I'm pretty much at the point where frankly, I've given up on ever
e-mailing Apple Accessibility. It just never seems to be any use.
chris.
- Original Message -
From: Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent:
-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino
It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I doubt
they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have not ten no more
responses even through
Hi Lynne,
*smile* I asked exactly the same question last night. thus far no responses.
I'd buy it for testing purposes, but at €179 it could prove an expensive
mistake.
Dónal
On 17 Jul 2013, at 16:27, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net
wrote:
Hello everybody
Does anybody
What version of logic are you referring to?
-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette
Annabel Smith
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:27 AM
To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility
Subject: Logic Pro X
the new one that is just out.
On 17 Jul 2013, at 16:45, Isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
What version of logic are you referring to?
-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette
Annabel Smith
Hello Donal
My only excuse here is that we are just catching up on mail. If nobody else has
tested this, I will and let you know.
Lynne
On 17 Jul 2013, at 16:30, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote:
Hi Lynne,
*smile* I asked exactly the same question last night. thus far
I'm referring to the brand new version just released.
Lynne
On 17 Jul 2013, at 16:45, Isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
What version of logic are you referring to?
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Thank you Lynne. I've asked Apple Accessibility for information but I suspect
my mail, like most of the mails I send to apple Accessibility, will disappear
into the black hole of Cupertino!
Cheers,
Dónal
On 17 Jul 2013, at 16:50, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net
wrote:
We will report back shortly.
Kind regards
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