Re: To the Moderators on this list and it's of interest to us all so let's here the answers.

2017-04-26 Thread Jonathan Cohn
Wow, intense Scott, from a phreak to a quarter. Quite a transition. I have
friends who would never buy Apple because they said the Steves should have
been jailed.  to a quarterer

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 7:42 AM Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
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> Kawal, it’s bots indexing your messages which are being scraped off google
> and other various sites.  There are some protections in place but many
> don’t work that well.  Part of the territory unfortunately.  I’d like to
> see draw and quartering be brought back for spammers but that’s me.;)
>
>
> > On Apr 25, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > I wish to know if all our e-mail addresses on this list is secure
> please?  The reason for asking is because I've had lots of Phishing e-mails
> from a supposeded Apple e-mail address.  I am only on three e-mail lists
> and all blindness related.  The other reason for asking is that all the
> e-mails have my name on it.  I don't do much on the internet but I do know
> that all the Macvisionary list e-mails appear on the internet as you can
> search for these e-mails.  So please Mods get back to us and assure us that
> our e-mail addresses are safe.  I can only safe over the last few weeks I
> have had too many suspicious e-mails all concerning Apple.  I know one
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> nameless.  I will only say, the person is brilliant at defrauding women on
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> said.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Kawal.
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RE: To the Moderators on this list and it's of interest to us all so let's here the answers.

2017-04-26 Thread Simon Fogarty
Hi Kawal,


Honest answer is no,
 Just google your name or your email address and see what shows up.
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Subject: To the Moderators on this list and it's of interest to us all so let's 
here the answers.

Hi.

I wish to know if all our e-mail addresses on this list is secure please?  The 
reason for asking is because I've had lots of Phishing e-mails from a 
supposeded Apple e-mail address.  I am only on three e-mail lists and all 
blindness related.  The other reason for asking is that all the e-mails have my 
name on it.  I don't do much on the internet but I do know that all the 
Macvisionary list e-mails appear on the internet as you can search for these 
e-mails.  So please Mods get back to us and assure us that our e-mail addresses 
are safe.  I can only safe over the last few weeks I have had too many 
suspicious e-mails all concerning Apple.  I know one person on this list who 
can do this sort of thing and they will be nameless.  I will only say, the 
person is brilliant at defrauding women on this list (as I was one of them) as 
he is a member of this list.  No more said.

Thanks.

Kawal.

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Re: To the Moderators on this list and it's of interest to us all so let's here the answers.

2017-04-26 Thread Scott Granados
Kawal, it’s bots indexing your messages which are being scraped off google and 
other various sites.  There are some protections in place but many don’t work 
that well.  Part of the territory unfortunately.  I’d like to see draw and 
quartering be brought back for spammers but that’s me.;)


> On Apr 25, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I wish to know if all our e-mail addresses on this list is secure please?  
> The reason for asking is because I've had lots of Phishing e-mails from a 
> supposeded Apple e-mail address.  I am only on three e-mail lists and all 
> blindness related.  The other reason for asking is that all the e-mails have 
> my name on it.  I don't do much on the internet but I do know that all the 
> Macvisionary list e-mails appear on the internet as you can search for these 
> e-mails.  So please Mods get back to us and assure us that our e-mail 
> addresses are safe.  I can only safe over the last few weeks I have had too 
> many suspicious e-mails all concerning Apple.  I know one person on this list 
> who can do this sort of thing and they will be nameless.  I will only say, 
> the person is brilliant at defrauding women on this list (as I was one of 
> them) as he is a member of this list.  No more said.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: To the Moderators on this list and it's of interest to us all so let's here the answers.

2017-04-25 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi there,
Speaking for myself, I can share that those fishing e-mails are likely not 
due to your being a member here, but due to icloud.
Hackings in general are producing allot of these.  I get them asking about 
my apple id, and I am not that kind of apple user.
Simply follow practical wisdom.  do not read  anything that you feel 
should not  be coming to you.
Apple does not as a rule ask you to confirm important details via e-mail, 
at least that was my understanding.

So, just filter them as spam if you have that ability.
My thoughts,
Kare


On Tue, 25 Apr 2017, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


Hi.

I wish to know if all our e-mail addresses on this list is secure please?  The 
reason for asking is because I've had lots of Phishing e-mails from a 
supposeded Apple e-mail address.  I am only on three e-mail lists and all 
blindness related.  The other reason for asking is that all the e-mails have my 
name on it.  I don't do much on the internet but I do know that all the 
Macvisionary list e-mails appear on the internet as you can search for these 
e-mails.  So please Mods get back to us and assure us that our e-mail addresses 
are safe.  I can only safe over the last few weeks I have had too many 
suspicious e-mails all concerning Apple.  I know one person on this list who 
can do this sort of thing and they will be nameless.  I will only say, the 
person is brilliant at defrauding women on this list (as I was one of them) as 
he is a member of this list.  No more said.

Thanks.

Kawal.

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To the Moderators on this list and it's of interest to us all so let's here the answers.

2017-04-25 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hi.

I wish to know if all our e-mail addresses on this list is secure please?  The 
reason for asking is because I've had lots of Phishing e-mails from a 
supposeded Apple e-mail address.  I am only on three e-mail lists and all 
blindness related.  The other reason for asking is that all the e-mails have my 
name on it.  I don't do much on the internet but I do know that all the 
Macvisionary list e-mails appear on the internet as you can search for these 
e-mails.  So please Mods get back to us and assure us that our e-mail addresses 
are safe.  I can only safe over the last few weeks I have had too many 
suspicious e-mails all concerning Apple.  I know one person on this list who 
can do this sort of thing and they will be nameless.  I will only say, the 
person is brilliant at defrauding women on this list (as I was one of them) as 
he is a member of this list.  No more said.

Thanks.

Kawal.

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Re: Moderators

2016-06-07 Thread Scott Granados
No it just felt like that thread had devolved in to a shmeckle measuring 
contest so I thought I’d chime in.

Sorry to revive the thread.;)


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>Sorry Scott, your what is bigger than what?  Totally confused.
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>From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net>
>To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 6:09 PM
>Subject: Re: Moderators
>
>
>Mine’s bigger!
>
>
>On 6/4/16, 10:27 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
><macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Mark is only a co-mod.  That's why it's probably not listed.  Cara's 
>>address
>>is there however.
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>>- Original Message - 
>>From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" <listse...@me.com>
>>To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:16 PM
>>Subject: Re: Moderators
>>
>>
>>Of course, it would also help a lot more to read the footer if the 
>>moderator
>>address were actually listed there.  It isn’t, and that’s what was asked
>>for. :)
>>
>>Mark’s email address is mk...@ucla.edu .
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Re: Moderators

2016-06-07 Thread Scott Granados
Mine’s bigger!


On 6/4/16, 10:27 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mark is only a co-mod.  That's why it's probably not listed.  Cara's address 
>is there however.
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>To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:16 PM
>Subject: Re: Moderators
>
>
>Of course, it would also help a lot more to read the footer if the moderator 
>address were actually listed there.  It isn’t, and that’s what was asked 
>for. :)
>
>Mark’s email address is mk...@ucla.edu .
>
>HTH
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Re: Moderators

2016-06-07 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Sorry Scott, your what is bigger than what?  Totally confused.
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From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Moderators


Mine’s bigger!


On 6/4/16, 10:27 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


Mark is only a co-mod.  That's why it's probably not listed.  Cara's 
address

is there however.
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From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" <listse...@me.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Moderators


Of course, it would also help a lot more to read the footer if the 
moderator

address were actually listed there.  It isn’t, and that’s what was asked
for. :)

Mark’s email address is mk...@ucla.edu .

HTH

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Re: Moderators

2016-06-04 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
You're more than welcome.  Glad I could help.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Stacey Robinson 
  To: Macvisionaries 
  Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 11:35 AM
  Subject: Re: Moderators


  That was very helpful.
  Also, Mark thanks for writing me off list.

  Blessings,
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  mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


Um, that wasn't very nice.

It might be true, but you could have at least offered some help rather than 
chastising her.  That isn't productive.

The main moderator is Cara.  You can e-mail her directly at:

caraqu...@caraquinn.com

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Phil Halton
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  Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 11:00 AM
  Subject: Re: Moderators


  I suggest you read this message, and every message sent to the list, more 
carefully, paying particular attention to the bottom portion of the message.


  Sent from my IPhone



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Hello,
How can I reach the moderators for the list?


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Re: Moderators

2016-06-04 Thread E.T.
   Uh Chris? How about you let Mark do the moderating so you don't have 
to spam the group? He already took care of things yesterday already. And 
uh take your own advice and take it off list. Thanks for your cooperation.


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On 6/4/2016 7:26 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

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   A more in-depth explanation of what, religion? No thanks.

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Re: Moderators

2016-06-04 Thread Stacey Robinson
That was very helpful.
Also, Mark thanks for writing me off list.
Blessings,
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mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net <mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net>
> On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Um, that wasn't very nice.
>  
> It might be true, but you could have at least offered some help rather than 
> chastising her.  That isn't productive.
>  
> The main moderator is Cara.  You can e-mail her directly at:
>  
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>
>  
> You also can reach Mark Taylor, the co-moderator.  His e-mail address is:
>  
> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>
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>> From: Phil Halton <mailto:philh...@gmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 11:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: Moderators
>> 
>> I suggest you read this message, and every message sent to the list, more 
>> carefully, paying particular attention to the bottom portion of the message.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net 
>> <mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> How can I reach the moderators for the list?
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>>> Blessings,
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Re: Moderators

2016-06-04 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Mark, any chance then we could put a close to this thread?  It's becoming 
incredibly unproductive.

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From: "M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu>

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Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: Moderators


Just so you all know, I responded to Stacey's inquiry, this morning, as soon 
as I saw it, off-list.


Mark

-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu

Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Of course, it would also help a lot more to read the footer if the moderator 
address were actually listed there.  It isn’t, and that’s what was asked 
for. :)


Mark’s email address is mk...@ucla.edu .

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Re: Moderators

2016-06-04 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Mark is only a co-mod.  That's why it's probably not listed.  Cara's address 
is there however.

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Of course, it would also help a lot more to read the footer if the moderator 
address were actually listed there.  It isn’t, and that’s what was asked 
for. :)


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2016-06-04 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Guys, grow up!  Take it off list, for goodness sake!
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   A more in-depth explanation of what, religion? No thanks.

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2016-06-04 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Yes, but learning doesn't over rule politeness, thank you very much?
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   Learning comes from hands on effort.

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On 6/3/2016 11:02 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:

Wouldn't it have been nicer to say caraqu...@caraquinn.com
<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>


Aloha,

Charlie

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Re: Moderators

2016-06-04 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Um, that wasn't very nice.

It might be true, but you could have at least offered some help rather than 
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  From: Phil Halton 
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  Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 11:00 AM
  Subject: Re: Moderators


  I suggest you read this message, and every message sent to the list, more 
carefully, paying particular attention to the bottom portion of the message.


  Sent from my IPhone



  On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net> wrote:


Hello,
How can I reach the moderators for the list?


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Re: Moderators

2016-06-04 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Amen!  Totally agreed.

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  Wouldn't it have been nicer to say caraqu...@caraquinn.com


  Aloha,


  Charlie 

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Re: Moderators

2016-06-03 Thread Phil Halton
Mark, could you update the message footer to include your moderator contact 
email? Thank you.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:38 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
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> Just so you all know, I responded to Stacey's inquiry, this morning, as soon 
> as I saw it, off-list. 
> 
> Mark
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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:16 PM
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> Subject: Re: Moderators
> 
> Of course, it would also help a lot more to read the footer if the moderator 
> address were actually listed there.  It isn’t, and that’s what was asked for. 
> :)
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> Mark’s email address is mk...@ucla.edu .
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RE: Moderators

2016-06-03 Thread M. Taylor
Just so you all know, I responded to Stacey's inquiry, this morning, as soon as 
I saw it, off-list. 

Mark

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Subject: Re: Moderators

Of course, it would also help a lot more to read the footer if the moderator 
address were actually listed there.  It isn’t, and that’s what was asked for. :)

Mark’s email address is mk...@ucla.edu .

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Re: Moderators

2016-06-03 Thread Phil Halton
My response was perfectly fine. You are mistaken. Sent from my IPhone


> On Jun 3, 2016, at 3:14 PM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
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> No E.T.
> Learning comes from ancient aliens! ;)
> A?
> Charlie is correct Your response was a bit "curt" :)
> As usual give me a phone  call for a more in-depth explanation OK?  E.T? :)
> Chuck
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 2:14 PM, E.T. wrote:
>> 
>>  Learning comes from hands on effort.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 6/3/2016 11:02 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>>> Wouldn't it have been nicer to say caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Aloha,
>>> 
>>> Charlie
>>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com
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Re: Moderators

2016-06-03 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Of course, it would also help a lot more to read the footer if the moderator 
address were actually listed there.  It isn’t, and that’s what was asked for. :)

Mark’s email address is mk...@ucla.edu .

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Re: Moderators

2016-06-03 Thread E.T.

   A more in-depth explanation of what, religion? No thanks.

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   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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On 6/3/2016 12:14 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

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Re: Moderators

2016-06-03 Thread CHUCK REICHEL
No E.T.
Learning comes from ancient aliens! ;)
A?
Charlie is correct Your response was a bit "curt" :)
As usual give me a phone  call for a more in-depth explanation OK?  E.T? :)
Chuck
On Jun 3, 2016, at 2:14 PM, E.T. wrote:

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> Many believe that we have been visited
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> 
> On 6/3/2016 11:02 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>> Wouldn't it have been nicer to say caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>
>> 
>> 
>> Aloha,
>> 
>> Charlie
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com
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Re: Moderators

2016-06-03 Thread E.T.

   Learning comes from hands on effort.

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   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/3/2016 11:02 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:

Wouldn't it have been nicer to say caraqu...@caraquinn.com
<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>


Aloha,

Charlie

On Jun 3, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com
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caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>


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Re: Moderators

2016-06-03 Thread Charlie Doremus
Wouldn't it have been nicer to say caraqu...@caraquinn.com


Aloha,

Charlie 

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Re: Moderators

2016-06-03 Thread Phil Halton
I suggest you read this message, and every message sent to the list, more 
carefully, paying particular attention to the bottom portion of the message.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> How can I reach the moderators for the list?
> 
> Blessings,
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> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Moderators

2016-06-03 Thread Stacey Robinson
Hello,
How can I reach the moderators for the list?

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net <mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net>

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Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-29 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
You’ll have to do it server-side, using whatever method your provider gives you.

But guys, look—more effort has been expended talking about these posts than on 
the posts themselves.  And anyone trying to follow the threads he’s hijacked is 
inconvenienced by it.

Don’t feed the trolls.  I know it’s tempting—guilty of it myself sometimes—but 
this is the Internet, and people can choose to distance themselves from earthly 
scruples if they want to.  It is a miracle that, for the most part, in 
situations like this anyway, you can easily do something about it yourself, 
without getting anyone else involved.  (Although, if I were one of the list 
mods, I’d be feeling a little bit bad at this point.)

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Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-29 Thread Kliph
Just go to iCloud.com http://icloud.com/ and click on the rules tab, and 
inter your settings there.  I have over 10 rules, and they work great.  Way 
better than gmail or outlook.com http://outlook.com/

 On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Lol, show me where those message rules are in iOS with iCloud mail, and 
 that'll settle with me the absence of a moderator.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:28 AM, Steve Nutt st...@comproom.co.uk wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Not only that, there are message rules.  Just grab him and throw him in the 
 junk folder.
 
 Donna, I don't think another list is necessary, message rules take care of 
 people like him.  That's not to say I'm condoning what he's doing, it is 
 just purile.  But we can deal with it ourselves.  Also when you hear his 
 name on the message summary list, just hit delete.
 
 Don't feed the trolls!
 
 All the best
 
 Steve
 
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 Computer Room Services
 77 Exeter Close
 Stevenage
 Hertfordshire
 SG1 4PW
 Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
 Email: st...@comproom.co.uk
 Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of The Believer
 Sent: 28 March 2015 18:31
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content 
 you want on this list?
 
 To all,
   The best way to deal with this kind of behavior is simply to ignore 
 it. That is it. Responding only encourages infantile mentalities.
 
 From The Believer. . .
   By way of the Chariots of the
 Gods cameth the Aliens who
 dwelt amongst the humans,
 and bringeth much knowledge.
 
 On 3/28/2015 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for four-letter 
 words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being completely 
 inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
 thank you,
 Donna
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 Date: March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
 From: mário navarro mario@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 
 
 fuck you, piece  of shit ...
 who you think you are ...
 You must be very important sucker!
 if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
 I do not spoke to you sucker ...
 your head is full of shit ...
 you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
 Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:
 I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds like a 
 small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
 We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling 
 personal insults at each other.
 Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this list. If 
 this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will be off.
 
 David Griffith
 
 On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:
 
 
 man, why  you are so stupid?
 you work for apple?
 apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
 apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
 yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
 shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...
 
 Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
 All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the 
 beginning have pretty much been fixed.
 I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
 generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any 
 issues any longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the 
 item chooser will crap the bed, but even that is becoming more and more 
 rare, and the main web site where I see this happen, is a major 
 exception, as that page literally speaking has over 12 thousand links 
 on it.
 Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just 
 gonna have to trust me with this.
 Chris.
 ---
 Check out my web site at:
 http://www.clgproductions.net
 
   - Original Message -
   *From:* Jon Solitro mailto:jon.soli...@gmail.com
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
   *Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 
   The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as
   I haven't been able to download it yet.
 
   I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth
   it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to
   run slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade?
 
   Sent from my iPad
 
   On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com
   mailto:gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am
   interested in this please.
 
   thanks
 
   *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon

Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-29 Thread Devin Prater
And it's accessible with iOS? 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 29, 2015, at 10:28 AM, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Just go to iCloud.com and click on the rules tab, and inter your settings 
 there.  I have over 10 rules, and they work great.  Way better than gmail or 
 outlook.com
 
 On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Lol, show me where those message rules are in iOS with iCloud mail, and 
 that'll settle with me the absence of a moderator.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:28 AM, Steve Nutt st...@comproom.co.uk wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Not only that, there are message rules.  Just grab him and throw him in the 
 junk folder.
 
 Donna, I don't think another list is necessary, message rules take care of 
 people like him.  That's not to say I'm condoning what he's doing, it is 
 just purile.  But we can deal with it ourselves.  Also when you hear his 
 name on the message summary list, just hit delete.
 
 Don't feed the trolls!
 
 All the best
 
 Steve
 
 --
 Computer Room Services
 77 Exeter Close
 Stevenage
 Hertfordshire
 SG1 4PW
 Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
 Email: st...@comproom.co.uk
 Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of The Believer
 Sent: 28 March 2015 18:31
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or 
 content you want on this list?
 
 To all,
   The best way to deal with this kind of behavior is simply to ignore 
 it. That is it. Responding only encourages infantile mentalities.
 
 From The Believer. . .
   By way of the Chariots of the
 Gods cameth the Aliens who
 dwelt amongst the humans,
 and bringeth much knowledge.
 
 On 3/28/2015 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for four-letter 
 words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being completely 
 inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
 thank you,
 Donna
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 Date: March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
 From: mário navarro mario@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 
 
 fuck you, piece  of shit ...
 who you think you are ...
 You must be very important sucker!
 if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
 I do not spoke to you sucker ...
 your head is full of shit ...
 you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
 Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:
 I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds like a 
 small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
 We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling 
 personal insults at each other.
 Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this list. 
 If this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will be off.
 
 David Griffith
 
 On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:
 
 
 man, why  you are so stupid?
 you work for apple?
 apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
 apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
 yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
 shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...
 
 Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
 All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the 
 beginning have pretty much been fixed.
 I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
 generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any 
 issues any longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the 
 item chooser will crap the bed, but even that is becoming more and 
 more rare, and the main web site where I see this happen, is a major 
 exception, as that page literally speaking has over 12 thousand links 
 on it.
 Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just 
 gonna have to trust me with this.
 Chris.
 ---
 Check out my web site at:
 http://www.clgproductions.net
 
   - Original Message -
   *From:* Jon Solitro mailto:jon.soli...@gmail.com
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
   *Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 
   The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as
   I haven't been able to download it yet.
 
   I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth
   it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to
   run slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade?
 
   Sent from my iPad
 
   On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com
   mailto:gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am
   interested in this please.
 
   thanks
 
   *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

RE: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-29 Thread Steve Nutt
Hi,

Not only that, there are message rules.  Just grab him and throw him in the 
junk folder.

Donna, I don't think another list is necessary, message rules take care of 
people like him.  That's not to say I'm condoning what he's doing, it is just 
purile.  But we can deal with it ourselves.  Also when you hear his name on the 
message summary list, just hit delete.

Don't feed the trolls!

All the best

Steve

--
Computer Room Services
77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
Hertfordshire
SG1 4PW
Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
Email: st...@comproom.co.uk
Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of The Believer
Sent: 28 March 2015 18:31
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content 
you want on this list?

To all,
The best way to deal with this kind of behavior is simply to ignore 
it. That is it. Responding only encourages infantile mentalities.

 From The Believer. . .
By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.

On 3/28/2015 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for four-letter 
 words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being completely 
 inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
 thank you,
 Donna

 Begin forwarded message:

 Date: March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
 From: mário navarro mario@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com



 fuck you, piece  of shit ...
 who you think you are ...
 You must be very important sucker!
 if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
 I do not spoke to you sucker ...
 your head is full of shit ...
 you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
 Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:
 I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds like a 
 small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
 We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling personal 
 insults at each other.
 Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this list. If 
 this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will be off.

 David Griffith

 On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:


 man, why  you are so stupid?
 you work for apple?
 apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
 apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
 yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
 shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...

 Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
 All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the beginning 
 have pretty much been fixed.
 I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
 generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any issues 
 any longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item chooser 
 will crap the bed, but even that is becoming more and more rare, and the 
 main web site where I see this happen, is a major exception, as that page 
 literally speaking has over 12 thousand links on it.
 Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just gonna 
 have to trust me with this.
 Chris.
 ---
 Check out my web site at:
 http://www.clgproductions.net

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Jon Solitro mailto:jon.soli...@gmail.com
 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
 *Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

 The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as
 I haven't been able to download it yet.

 I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth
 it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to
 run slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade?

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com
 mailto:gbma...@gmail.com wrote:

 What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am
 interested in this please.

 thanks

 *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon Solitro
 *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

 I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running
 iOs 7. I found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to
 install. Should I update, or can I expect slower operation?


 On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux
 wrote:

 Hi all,

 I

Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-29 Thread Devin Prater
Lol, show me where those message rules are in iOS with iCloud mail, and that'll 
settle with me the absence of a moderator.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:28 AM, Steve Nutt st...@comproom.co.uk wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Not only that, there are message rules.  Just grab him and throw him in the 
 junk folder.
 
 Donna, I don't think another list is necessary, message rules take care of 
 people like him.  That's not to say I'm condoning what he's doing, it is just 
 purile.  But we can deal with it ourselves.  Also when you hear his name on 
 the message summary list, just hit delete.
 
 Don't feed the trolls!
 
 All the best
 
 Steve
 
 --
 Computer Room Services
 77 Exeter Close
 Stevenage
 Hertfordshire
 SG1 4PW
 Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
 Email: st...@comproom.co.uk
 Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of The Believer
 Sent: 28 March 2015 18:31
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content 
 you want on this list?
 
 To all,
The best way to deal with this kind of behavior is simply to ignore 
 it. That is it. Responding only encourages infantile mentalities.
 
 From The Believer. . .
By way of the Chariots of the
 Gods cameth the Aliens who
 dwelt amongst the humans,
 and bringeth much knowledge.
 
 On 3/28/2015 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for four-letter 
 words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being completely 
 inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
 thank you,
 Donna
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 Date: March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
 From: mário navarro mario@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 
 
 fuck you, piece  of shit ...
 who you think you are ...
 You must be very important sucker!
 if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
 I do not spoke to you sucker ...
 your head is full of shit ...
 you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
 Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:
 I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds like a 
 small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
 We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling 
 personal insults at each other.
 Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this list. If 
 this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will be off.
 
 David Griffith
 
 On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:
 
 
 man, why  you are so stupid?
 you work for apple?
 apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
 apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
 yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
 shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...
 
 Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
 All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the 
 beginning have pretty much been fixed.
 I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
 generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any 
 issues any longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item 
 chooser will crap the bed, but even that is becoming more and more rare, 
 and the main web site where I see this happen, is a major exception, as 
 that page literally speaking has over 12 thousand links on it.
 Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just 
 gonna have to trust me with this.
 Chris.
 ---
 Check out my web site at:
 http://www.clgproductions.net
 
- Original Message -
*From:* Jon Solitro mailto:jon.soli...@gmail.com
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 
The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as
I haven't been able to download it yet.
 
I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth
it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to
run slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade?
 
Sent from my iPad
 
On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com
mailto:gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am
interested in this please.
 
thanks
 
*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon Solitro
*Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 
I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still

Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-29 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Nah, sadly not.  On iOS, you’re just directed to instructions for turning it on 
under iOS.  This is why I’m strongly considering going back to hosting my own 
email at home.  Just can’t get satisfaction these days.

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Re: Moderators

2015-03-28 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

David,

I think I do.  I'm not totally sure this will work, so don't quote me on 
this, but I'm 98% sure that you want to ssend an e-mail to:


macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com

Notice that I didn't use a dash in the above address.  I used a plus symbol. 
that was not a typographical error.  I wrote it that way very intentionally.


I think that Chris Brouch might be a moderator, or at least a co-moderator. 
I say this as when I initially joined, before I was approved, he got ahold 
of me privately.


I'm so sorry, but I don't currently have his e-mail address.

Try the above suggestion though.  If that doesn't work, let me know, and 
I'll keep looking.


Chris.
---
Check out my web site at:
http://www.clgproductions.net
- Original Message - 
From: David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 1:53 PM
Subject: Moderators



Does anybody know how to contact moderators  on this list?

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Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-28 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Plus 1 this!

I whole-heartedly agree!
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Donna Goodin 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 2:16 PM
  Subject: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you 
want on this list?


  I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for four-letter 
words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being completely 
inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
  thank you,
  Donna



Begin forwarded message:


Date: March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT

From: mário navarro mario@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com





fuck you, piece  of shit ...
who you think you are ...
You must be very important sucker!
if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
I do not spoke to you sucker ...
your head is full of shit ...
you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:

  I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds like a 
small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
  We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling 
personal insults at each other.
  Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this list. If 
this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will be off.

  David Griffith

  On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:



man, why  you are so stupid?
you work for apple?
apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...

Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

  All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the 
beginning have pretty much been fixed.
  I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any issues any 
longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item chooser will crap 
the bed, but even that is becoming more and more rare, and the main web site 
where I see this happen, is a major exception, as that page literally speaking 
has over 12 thousand links on it.
  Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just 
gonna have to trust me with this.
  Chris.
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 - Original Message -
 *From:* Jon Solitro mailto:jon.soli...@gmail.com
 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
 *Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

 The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as
 I haven't been able to download it yet.

 I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth
 it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to
 run slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade?

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com
 mailto:gbma...@gmail.com wrote:


   What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am
   interested in this please.

   thanks

   *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon 
Solitro
   *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   *Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

   I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running
   iOs 7. I found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to
   install. Should I update, or can I expect slower operation?


   On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux
   wrote:

   Hi all,

   I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8
   and I have to say that the experience is less than stellar.
   Bugs everywhere, slower than on my iphone 5s, siri cut off
   midway then voice over not working, hang like slowness when
   getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started
   looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying

Re: Moderators

2015-03-28 Thread Phil Halton
This sounds like Mario is either demon possessed, way off his meds, or it's 
just some kid who hacked his account and is having himself a high time.
Whatever the case it's beginning to lose its amusement value, Not upsetting, 
just boring.
Sent from my IPhone


 On Mar 28, 2015, at 8:18 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hey, stupid.
 what are you trying to do.  fucking head?
 You don't have intelligence for it. You have your head full of shit and  
 think shit.
 ahahahahahahah. lol.
 
 I will not go out with my feets.
 I  will stay here to see all the idiots like you doing shit...
 You all just got shit in your  brains, and can only think about shit...
 And  shit attracts shit. Lol.
 I'm gonna stay here laughing all of  you and see which one of you has more 
 shit in the head.
 ahahahahahahahaha. let the show begin!
 
 
 Em 28/03/2015 23:20, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
 Wow, I was very close.
 
 I thought it was +owner, not +moderator.  Whoops?  Thanks for the 
 correction; you learn something new each day.  Smile.
 
 God bless.
 
 Chris.
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 http://www.clgproductions.net
 - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik wfgal...@charter.net
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 6:59 PM
 Subject: Re: Moderators
 
 
 David;
 
 The e-mail address for the group moderator is:
 
   macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com
 
 
 
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 - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on 
 society.
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 Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 12:53 PM
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Re: Moderators

2015-03-28 Thread Rod Skene
Wow, just wow. You realize with that response you will be wrong the matter 
what. Very immature and disgraceful.

Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.

 On Mar 28, 2015, at 1:21 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 yes, i know.
 put a microphone in the ass, and connect to your   mouth, and call the 
 moderators.
 fuck you, piece of shit ...
 
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 Does anybody know how to contact moderators  on this list?
 
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Re: Moderators

2015-03-28 Thread Bill Gallik

Methinks Senor Navarro is in serious need of anger management!

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Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-28 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Hacked account... possible, I won't discount it, and if that truely be the 
case, then my most profuse apology to the legitimate account holder, but 
otherwise, no way!  I'd say that hacking is unlikely.


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Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 3:42 PM
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you want on this list?



agreed.

I would say that whoever it is, they might have a hacked account they need 
to take care of.


back to the subject of macs…

-eric

On Mar 28, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for four-letter 
words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being completely 
inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.

thank you,
Donna


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Re: Moderators

2015-03-28 Thread Bill Gallik

David;

The e-mail address for the group moderator is:

   macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com



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Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 12:53 PM
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Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-28 Thread Eric Oyen
agreed.

I would say that whoever it is, they might have a hacked account they need to 
take care of.

back to the subject of macs…

-eric

On Mar 28, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

 I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for four-letter 
 words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being completely 
 inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
 thank you,
 Donna

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Re: Moderators

2015-03-28 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

I think that it’s about time that Mario be banned.  I’m not sure that I’ve 
heard much positive contribution out of his posts for quite some time.  This 
post, to me, shows a total disregard to all the members of the MacVisionaries 
list and proves that his motives are simply disruptive and disrespectful.  
Nothing that anyone else on this thread has posted should be deserving of this 
sort of garbage response.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 28, 2015, at 12:21, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


yes, i know.
put a microphone in the ass, and connect to your   mouth, and call the 
moderators.
fuck you, piece of shit ...

Em 28/03/2015 17:53, David Griffith escreveu:
 Does anybody know how to contact moderators  on this list?
 
 David Griffith
 

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Re: Moderators

2015-03-28 Thread mário navarro


Hey, stupid.
 what are you trying to do.  fucking head?
You don't have intelligence for it. You have your head full of shit and  
think shit.

ahahahahahahah. lol.

I will not go out with my feets.
 I  will stay here to see all the idiots like you doing shit...
You all just got shit in your  brains, and can only think about shit...
And  shit attracts shit. Lol.
I'm gonna stay here laughing all of  you and see which one of you has 
more shit in the head.

ahahahahahahahaha. let the show begin!


Em 28/03/2015 23:20, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

Wow, I was very close.

I thought it was +owner, not +moderator.  Whoops?  Thanks for the 
correction; you learn something new each day.  Smile.


God bless.

Chris.
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- Original Message - From: Bill Gallik wfgal...@charter.net
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Moderators



David;

The e-mail address for the group moderator is:

   macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com



- Bill  Leader Dog Holland
- Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on 
society.

- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
- Original Message - From: David Griffith 
daj.griff...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 12:53 PM
Subject: Moderators



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Re: Moderators

2015-03-28 Thread CJ Daniel
Mario,

You seem to have a fixation with fecal matter  the orifice from which it 
proceeds.  Possibly some counseling would help with the issues you seem to be 
exhibiting.  Or, possibly you’re already under a physician’s care  just need 
to modify your pharmaceutical regiment.  Lastly, I suppose, you could be in 
need of an exorcist’s professional attention.  

But, never-the-less, you might want to consider the concept that even if you 
don’t agree with some of the views expressed in response to your original 
posts, you are probably alienating people who—sooner or later—might be in a 
position to help you with a Apple product related problems.  Or, you might 
consider the idea that your offensiveness is just juvenile  tiresome.  Lastly, 
while a moderator seems to be absent, I believe that everyone would just be 
better off to ignore any of your posts.  I sincerely hope that you will come to 
the realization that your not funny, just sad  annoying.

Ta-ta

P.S. Don’t bother replying, as I won’t be reading it.

 On Mar 28, 2015, at 11:21 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 yes, i know.
 put a microphone in the ass, and connect to your   mouth, and call the 
 moderators.
 fuck you, piece of shit ...
 
 Em 28/03/2015 17:53, David Griffith escreveu:
 Does anybody know how to contact moderators  on this list?
 
 David Griffith
 
 
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Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-28 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

While I agree that ignoring poor behaviour does not fuel the fire, this is 
totally beyond the ignoring stage.  I’m not going to threaten to leave the list 
or anything similar, but, no-one should have to read the profanity and 
insulting tone present in Mario’s posts today.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 28, 2015, at 12:16, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for four-letter 
words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being completely 
inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
thank you,
Donna

 Begin forwarded message:
 
 Date: March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
 From: mário navarro mario@gmail.com mailto:mario@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 
 
 fuck you, piece  of shit ...
 who you think you are ...
 You must be very important sucker!
 if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
 I do not spoke to you sucker ...
 your head is full of shit ...
 you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
 Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:
 I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds like a 
 small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
 We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling personal 
 insults at each other.
 Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this list. If 
 this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will be off.
 
 David Griffith
 
 On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:
 
 
 man, why  you are so stupid?
 you work for apple?
 apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
 apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
 yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
 shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...
 
 Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
 All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the beginning 
 have pretty much been fixed.
 I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
 generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any issues 
 any longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item chooser 
 will crap the bed, but even that is becoming more and more rare, and the 
 main web site where I see this happen, is a major exception, as that page 
 literally speaking has over 12 thousand links on it.
 Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just gonna 
 have to trust me with this.
 Chris.
 ---
 Check out my web site at:
 http://www.clgproductions.net http://www.clgproductions.net/
 
- Original Message -
*From:* Jon Solitro mailto:jon.soli...@gmail.com
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 
The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as
I haven't been able to download it yet.
 
I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth
it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to
run slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade?
 
Sent from my iPad
 
On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com
mailto:gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am
interested in this please.
 
thanks
 
*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon Solitro
*Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 
I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running
iOs 7. I found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to
install. Should I update, or can I expect slower operation?
 
 
On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux
wrote:
 
Hi all,
 
I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8
and I have to say that the experience is less than stellar.
Bugs everywhere, slower than on my iphone 5s, siri cut off
midway then voice over not working, hang like slowness when
getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started
looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to
nudge things too much into the “let big brother figure out
for you what you should like and do”. Point in case, that U2
debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some mates and I was
going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2
tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want
   

Re: Moderators

2015-03-28 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

I also cast in my vote to have him banned, please.

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- Original Message - 
From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Moderators


Hi,

I think that it’s about time that Mario be banned.  I’m not sure that I’ve 
heard much positive contribution out of his posts for quite some time.  This 
post, to me, shows a total disregard to all the members of the 
MacVisionaries list and proves that his motives are simply disruptive and 
disrespectful.  Nothing that anyone else on this thread has posted should be 
deserving of this sort of garbage response.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 28, 2015, at 12:21, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


yes, i know.
put a microphone in the ass, and connect to your   mouth, and call the 
moderators.

fuck you, piece of shit ...

Em 28/03/2015 17:53, David Griffith escreveu:

Does anybody know how to contact moderators  on this list?

David Griffith



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Re: Moderators

2015-03-28 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Wow, I was very close.

I thought it was +owner, not +moderator.  Whoops?  Thanks for the 
correction; you learn something new each day.  Smile.


God bless.

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From: Bill Gallik wfgal...@charter.net

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Moderators



David;

The e-mail address for the group moderator is:

   macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com



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Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 12:53 PM
Subject: Moderators



Does anybody know how to contact moderators  on this list?

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Moderators

2015-03-28 Thread David Griffith

Does anybody know how to contact moderators  on this list?

David Griffith

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To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-28 Thread Donna Goodin
I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for four-letter 
words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being completely 
inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
thank you,
Donna

 Begin forwarded message:
 
 Date: March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
 From: mário navarro mario@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 
 
 fuck you, piece  of shit ...
 who you think you are ...
 You must be very important sucker!
 if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
 I do not spoke to you sucker ...
 your head is full of shit ...
 you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
 Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:
 I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds like a 
 small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
 We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling personal 
 insults at each other.
 Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this list. If 
 this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will be off.
 
 David Griffith
 
 On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:
 
 
 man, why  you are so stupid?
 you work for apple?
 apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
 apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
 yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
 shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...
 
 Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
 All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the beginning 
 have pretty much been fixed.
 I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
 generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any issues 
 any longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item chooser 
 will crap the bed, but even that is becoming more and more rare, and the 
 main web site where I see this happen, is a major exception, as that page 
 literally speaking has over 12 thousand links on it.
 Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just gonna 
 have to trust me with this.
 Chris.
 ---
 Check out my web site at:
 http://www.clgproductions.net
 
- Original Message -
*From:* Jon Solitro mailto:jon.soli...@gmail.com
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 
The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as
I haven't been able to download it yet.
 
I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth
it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to
run slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade?
 
Sent from my iPad
 
On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com
mailto:gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am
interested in this please.
 
thanks
 
*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon Solitro
*Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 
I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running
iOs 7. I found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to
install. Should I update, or can I expect slower operation?
 
 
On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux
wrote:
 
Hi all,
 
I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8
and I have to say that the experience is less than stellar.
Bugs everywhere, slower than on my iphone 5s, siri cut off
midway then voice over not working, hang like slowness when
getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started
looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to
nudge things too much into the “let big brother figure out
for you what you should like and do”. Point in case, that U2
debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some mates and I was
going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2
tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want
some band pushing their crap on my life experience when I
shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone that is supposed to do
things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has some
great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans
aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I
go into an apple store and wait for a genius to tell me my
future.
 
Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for
those of you who want to reply by being 

Re: Moderators

2015-03-28 Thread mário navarro


yes, i know.
put a microphone in the ass, and connect to your   mouth, and call the 
moderators.

fuck you, piece of shit ...

Em 28/03/2015 17:53, David Griffith escreveu:

Does anybody know how to contact moderators  on this list?

David Griffith



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Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-28 Thread The Believer

To all,
   The best way to deal with this kind of behavior is simply to ignore 
it. That is it. Responding only encourages infantile mentalities.


From The Believer. . .
   By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.

On 3/28/2015 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for four-letter 
words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being completely 
inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
thank you,
Donna


Begin forwarded message:

Date: March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
From: mário navarro mario@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com



fuck you, piece  of shit ...
who you think you are ...
You must be very important sucker!
if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
I do not spoke to you sucker ...
your head is full of shit ...
you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:

I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds like a small 
spoilt child ranting in a playground.
We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling personal 
insults at each other.
Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this list. If this 
is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will be off.

David Griffith

On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:



man, why  you are so stupid?
you work for apple?
apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...

Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the beginning have 
pretty much been fixed.
I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first generation, 
and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any issues any longer.  OK, 
in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item chooser will crap the bed, but 
even that is becoming more and more rare, and the main web site where I see 
this happen, is a major exception, as that page literally speaking has over 12 
thousand links on it.
Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just gonna have 
to trust me with this.
Chris.
---
Check out my web site at:
http://www.clgproductions.net

- Original Message -
*From:* Jon Solitro mailto:jon.soli...@gmail.com
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as
I haven't been able to download it yet.

I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth
it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to
run slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade?

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com
mailto:gbma...@gmail.com wrote:


What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am
interested in this please.

thanks

*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon Solitro
*Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running
iOs 7. I found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to
install. Should I update, or can I expect slower operation?


On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux
wrote:

Hi all,

I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8
and I have to say that the experience is less than stellar.
Bugs everywhere, slower than on my iphone 5s, siri cut off
midway then voice over not working, hang like slowness when
getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started
looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to
nudge things too much into the “let big brother figure out
for you what you should like and do”. Point in case, that U2
debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some mates and I was
going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2
tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want
some band pushing their crap on my life experience when I
shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone that is supposed to do
things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has some
great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis 

Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-28 Thread mário navarro


fuck you bitch.
your pussy stinks.

Em 28/03/2015 18:16, Donna Goodin escreveu:
I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for 
four-letter words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being 
completely inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.

thank you,
Donna


Begin forwarded message:

*Date: *March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
*From: *mário navarro mario@gmail.com mailto:mario@gmail.com
*To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Subject: **Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8*
*Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com




fuck you, piece  of shit ...
who you think you are ...
You must be very important sucker!
if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
I do not spoke to you sucker ...
your head is full of shit ...
you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:
I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds 
like a small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling 
personal insults at each other.
Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this 
list. If this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will 
be off.


David Griffith

On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:



man, why  you are so stupid?
you work for apple?
apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...

Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the 
beginning have pretty much been fixed.
I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any 
issues any longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes 
the item chooser will crap the bed, but even that is becoming more 
and more rare, and the main web site where I see this happen, is a 
major exception, as that page literally speaking has over 12 
thousand links on it.
Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're 
just gonna have to trust me with this.

Chris.
---
Check out my web site at:
http://www.clgproductions.net

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Jon Solitro mailto:jon.soli...@gmail.com
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
   *Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

   The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as
   I haven't been able to download it yet.

   I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth
   it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to
   run slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade?

   Sent from my iPad

   On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com
   mailto:gbma...@gmail.com wrote:


   What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am
   interested in this please.

   thanks

   *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon 
Solitro

   *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   *Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

   I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running
   iOs 7. I found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to
   install. Should I update, or can I expect slower operation?


   On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux
   wrote:

   Hi all,

   I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8
   and I have to say that the experience is less than stellar.
   Bugs everywhere, slower than on my iphone 5s, siri cut off
   midway then voice over not working, hang like slowness when
   getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started
   looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to
   nudge things too much into the “let big brother figure out
   for you what you should like and do”. Point in case, that U2
   debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some mates and I was
   going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2
   tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want
   some band pushing their crap on my life experience when I
   shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone that is supposed to do
   things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has some
   great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans
   aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I
   go into an apple store and wait for a genius to tell me my
   future.

   

To the Moderators

2011-07-28 Thread Ronald McEwan
Hi, 

It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all.  I 
am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac 
accessibility but apple in general.  

I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input 
from those who have been in the apple arena for a while.  However, I am 
considering leaving the list because of its current direction.  

Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. 



In the Journey, 

Ron

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Re: To the Moderators

2011-07-28 Thread Bryan Jones
I too am just about ready to unsubscribe. Lately the quantity of low-quality 
posts has increased dramatically which has the unfortunate side-effect of 
making it difficult to find the quality posts. I've actually added a mail rule 
to automatically send one particular high-volume poster's messages directly to 
the trash. Again, perhaps I'm just a grumpy old guy who is living in the past 
where there was a standard email list etiquette that was known, followed, and 
enforced by Mods and Members alike. Perhaps the new way of doing things is more 
akin to Facebook where some people need to tell the world every time they've 
passed wind, and other people need to thank them publicly for sharing. If that 
is going to be the new reality going forward on this list, I'd appreciate if 
the Mods would make that publicly known.

Cheers,
Bryan

On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote:
 It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all.  
 I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac 
 accessibility but apple in general.  
 
 I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input 
 from those who have been in the apple arena for a while.  However, I am 
 considering leaving the list because of its current direction.  
 
 Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. 

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Re: To the Moderators

2011-07-28 Thread carolyn Haas
Hi Ron:
It is very much like a free for all.  There is one owner, Cara, Quinn  and one 
moderator, Mark Taylor.  There are no guidelines in place, because according to 
Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the group was being 
moderated.  Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of alleged complaints 
and the people who made them, a very positive, almost anything goes approach 
has been adopted.  
Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional  
ambiance/.  But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer the 
same approach I do.:)


Take care

CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote:

 Hi, 
 
 It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all.  
 I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac 
 accessibility but apple in general.  
 
 I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input 
 from those who have been in the apple arena for a while.  However, I am 
 considering leaving the list because of its current direction.  
 
 Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. 
 
 
 
 In the Journey, 
 
 Ron
 
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Re: To the Moderators

2011-07-28 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hi.

If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can 
tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about anything 
unless its Mac related.

I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as it 
was stuffy before so I came off it.  Its much better than the other list.

Kawal. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas chaas0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Ron:
 It is very much like a free for all.  There is one owner, Cara, Quinn  and 
 one moderator, Mark Taylor.  There are no guidelines in place, because 
 according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the 
 group was being moderated.  Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of 
 alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost 
 anything goes approach has been adopted.  
 Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional  
 ambiance/.  But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer 
 the same approach I do.:)
 
 
 Take care
 
 CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote:
 
 Hi, 
 
 It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all.  
 I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac 
 accessibility but apple in general.  
 
 I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input 
 from those who have been in the apple arena for a while.  However, I am 
 considering leaving the list because of its current direction.  
 
 Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. 
 
 
 
 In the Journey, 
 
 Ron
 
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Re: To the Moderators

2011-07-28 Thread Ronald McEwan
So do tell, what is the other list name. 


In the Journey, 

Ron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

 Hi.
 
 If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can 
 tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about 
 anything unless its Mac related.
 
 I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as 
 it was stuffy before so I came off it.  Its much better than the other list.
 
 Kawal. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas chaas0...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Ron:
 It is very much like a free for all.  There is one owner, Cara, Quinn  and 
 one moderator, Mark Taylor.  There are no guidelines in place, because 
 according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the 
 group was being moderated.  Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of 
 alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost 
 anything goes approach has been adopted.  
 Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional  
 ambiance/.  But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer 
 the same approach I do.:)
 
 
 Take care
 
 CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote:
 
 Hi, 
 
 It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all. 
  I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac 
 accessibility but apple in general.  
 
 I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted 
 input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while.  However, I 
 am considering leaving the list because of its current direction.  
 
 Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. 
 
 
 
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Re: To the Moderators

2011-07-28 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Mac Access UK.  I think that Anne Robertson is the moderator but I might be 
wrong.

Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Jul 2011, at 06:47 PM, Ronald McEwan ron.mce...@gmail.com wrote:

 So do tell, what is the other list name. 
 
 
 In the Journey, 
 
 Ron
 
 On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can 
 tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about 
 anything unless its Mac related.
 
 I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as 
 it was stuffy before so I came off it.  Its much better than the other list.
 
 Kawal. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas chaas0...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Ron:
 It is very much like a free for all.  There is one owner, Cara, Quinn  and 
 one moderator, Mark Taylor.  There are no guidelines in place, because 
 according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the 
 group was being moderated.  Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of 
 alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost 
 anything goes approach has been adopted.  
 Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional 
  ambiance/.  But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer 
 the same approach I do.:)
 
 
 Take care
 
 CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote:
 
 Hi, 
 
 It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a 
 free-for-all.  I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do 
 with Mac accessibility but apple in general.  
 
 I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted 
 input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while.  However, I 
 am considering leaving the list because of its current direction.  
 
 Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. 
 
 
 
 In the Journey, 
 
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Re: To the Moderators

2011-07-28 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
He's probably talking about Mac4theblind.  I'm on it, but I almost never 
post there.  Not because I can't do so, it's just I felt I really wasn't 
getting near the help on that list that I have and still am getting on this 
list.  I don't think that they're many members on the other list, actually. 
I know Sarah Alowami's there, and maybe like 10 or 20 others that regularly 
post.  Trust me, it's really not worth it in my personal opinion.  Again 
though, that's only my opinion.  If you'd like, Ronald, I can try to find 
the subscription info for you.  I make no guarantees.  I know a friend of 
mine had to help me with finding the sub info, but again, if you would like 
to subscribe, I'll be more than happy to try to figure out the address to do 
so.


Aside that list and the VIPhone list, those are the only lists I know of. 
Apparently there is also a maccessibility list, but I've never admittedly 
tried looking upo the info.


I'll bet you it's probably on

maccessibility.net
though.

You want me to take a look for ya?

Let me know.  glad to help, if I can.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Ronald McEwan ron.mce...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: To the Moderators


So do tell, what is the other list name.


In the Journey,

Ron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


Hi.

If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I 
can tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about 
anything unless its Mac related.


I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has 
as it was stuffy before so I came off it.  Its much better than the other 
list.


Kawal.

Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas chaas0...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Ron:
It is very much like a free for all.  There is one owner, Cara, Quinn 
and one moderator, Mark Taylor.  There are no guidelines in place, 
because according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about 
how the group was being moderated.  Therefore, in the interest of those 
hundreds of alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very 
positive, almost anything goes approach has been adopted.
Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a 
semi-professional  ambiance/.  But, I'm just a list member now, and I 
guess most don't prefer the same approach I do.:)



Take care

CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote:


Hi,

It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a 
free-for-all.  I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to 
do with Mac accessibility but apple in general.


I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted 
input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while.  However, 
I am considering leaving the list because of its current direction.


Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way.



In the Journey,

Ron

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Re: To the Moderators

2011-07-28 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
OK, that probably explains why I've never heard of the list, being I'm not 
from the UK.  LOL!  Like I say, it's ok, I get enough good resourceful help 
here, so no need to bother joining another list for now at least.  :)


Take care.

Chris.

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From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawal_gucuko...@sent.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: To the Moderators


Mac Access UK.  I think that Anne Robertson is the moderator but I might be 
wrong.


Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Jul 2011, at 06:47 PM, Ronald McEwan ron.mce...@gmail.com wrote:


So do tell, what is the other list name.


In the Journey,

Ron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


Hi.

If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I 
can tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about 
anything unless its Mac related.


I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has 
as it was stuffy before so I came off it.  Its much better than the other 
list.


Kawal.

Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas chaas0...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Ron:
It is very much like a free for all.  There is one owner, Cara, Quinn 
and one moderator, Mark Taylor.  There are no guidelines in place, 
because according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about 
how the group was being moderated.  Therefore, in the interest of those 
hundreds of alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very 
positive, almost anything goes approach has been adopted.
Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a 
semi-professional  ambiance/.  But, I'm just a list member now, and I 
guess most don't prefer the same approach I do.:)



Take care

CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote:


Hi,

It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a 
free-for-all.  I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to 
do with Mac accessibility but apple in general.


I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted 
input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. 
However, I am considering leaving the list because of its current 
direction.


Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way.



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Re: To the Moderators

2011-07-28 Thread John Panarese
As the owner of mac4theblind, just to clarify this misconception, the list 
is intended to be small and low traffic.  It gets the job done for those who 
are subscribed, and there is no pretenses made of it trying to be an 
alternative to any other list out there.  If it doesn't do the job for you, you 
are more than welcomed to unsubscribe or I can do it for you.

As other lists out there, there is the Mac VoiceOver list run through 

http://www.icanworthisthing.com

There is also,as mentioned, the Mac-access list.
http://www.mac-access.net

   There are probably others out there as well, but those come to mind off the 
top of my head.

   In time, though, as people become more familiar with Lion, this list will 
settle down and return more towards the helpful and smooth-running list we are 
used to being a part of.

Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com



On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

 He's probably talking about Mac4theblind.  I'm on it, but I almost never post 
 there.  Not because I can't do so, it's just I felt I really wasn't getting 
 near the help on that list that I have and still am getting on this list.  I 
 don't think that they're many members on the other list, actually. I know 
 Sarah Alowami's there, and maybe like 10 or 20 others that regularly post.  
 Trust me, it's really not worth it in my personal opinion.  Again though, 
 that's only my opinion.  If you'd like, Ronald, I can try to find the 
 subscription info for you.  I make no guarantees.  I know a friend of mine 
 had to help me with finding the sub info, but again, if you would like to 
 subscribe, I'll be more than happy to try to figure out the address to do so.
 
 Aside that list and the VIPhone list, those are the only lists I know of. 
 Apparently there is also a maccessibility list, but I've never admittedly 
 tried looking upo the info.
 
 I'll bet you it's probably on
 
 maccessibility.net
 though.
 
 You want me to take a look for ya?
 
 Let me know.  glad to help, if I can.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Ronald McEwan ron.mce...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:47 PM
 Subject: Re: To the Moderators
 
 
 So do tell, what is the other list name.
 
 
 In the Journey,
 
 Ron
 
 On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can 
 tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about 
 anything unless its Mac related.
 
 I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as 
 it was stuffy before so I came off it.  Its much better than the other list.
 
 Kawal.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas chaas0...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Ron:
 It is very much like a free for all.  There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and 
 one moderator, Mark Taylor.  There are no guidelines in place, because 
 according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the 
 group was being moderated.  Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of 
 alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost 
 anything goes approach has been adopted.
 Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional 
  ambiance/.  But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer 
 the same approach I do.:)
 
 
 Take care
 
 CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a 
 free-for-all.  I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do 
 with Mac accessibility but apple in general.
 
 I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted 
 input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while.  However, I 
 am considering leaving the list because of its current direction.
 
 Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way.
 
 
 
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Re: To the Moderators

2011-07-28 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

John,

thanks for the info on these other lists.  I definitely will check them out.

I don't see any reason to unsub from the other list, but we'll discuss this 
off list if needed.  Just because I don['t post much, it is a resourceful 
list.  I just felt I didn't get very many replies aside from one member and 
I have his/her e-mail address and skype info, so it's not like I couldn't 
just call them or write them privately, which is what I've been doing.  I'm 
on Mac4theBlind, but I'm more of a lerker there, none the less.  Hope that's 
OK.  If not though, talk to me off list about it as there isn't a need to 
bore others with that personal part of the list, I'd not think.


Anyways, my e-mail address is:

clgillan...@gmail.com

If that doesn't work, then try me at:

cgilla...@carolina.rr.com

Either address should reach me just fine.

Chris.

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From: John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: To the Moderators


   As the owner of mac4theblind, just to clarify this misconception, the 
list is intended to be small and low traffic.  It gets the job done for 
those who are subscribed, and there is no pretenses made of it trying to be 
an alternative to any other list out there.  If it doesn't do the job for 
you, you are more than welcomed to unsubscribe or I can do it for you.


   As other lists out there, there is the Mac VoiceOver list run through

http://www.icanworthisthing.com

There is also,as mentioned, the Mac-access list.
http://www.mac-access.net

  There are probably others out there as well, but those come to mind off 
the top of my head.


  In time, though, as people become more familiar with Lion, this list will 
settle down and return more towards the helpful and smooth-running list we 
are used to being a part of.


Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com



On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

He's probably talking about Mac4theblind.  I'm on it, but I almost never 
post there.  Not because I can't do so, it's just I felt I really wasn't 
getting near the help on that list that I have and still am getting on 
this list.  I don't think that they're many members on the other list, 
actually. I know Sarah Alowami's there, and maybe like 10 or 20 others 
that regularly post.  Trust me, it's really not worth it in my personal 
opinion.  Again though, that's only my opinion.  If you'd like, Ronald, I 
can try to find the subscription info for you.  I make no guarantees.  I 
know a friend of mine had to help me with finding the sub info, but again, 
if you would like to subscribe, I'll be more than happy to try to figure 
out the address to do so.


Aside that list and the VIPhone list, those are the only lists I know of. 
Apparently there is also a maccessibility list, but I've never admittedly 
tried looking upo the info.


I'll bet you it's probably on

maccessibility.net
though.

You want me to take a look for ya?

Let me know.  glad to help, if I can.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Ronald McEwan ron.mce...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: To the Moderators


So do tell, what is the other list name.


In the Journey,

Ron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


Hi.

If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I 
can tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about 
anything unless its Mac related.


I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has 
as it was stuffy before so I came off it.  Its much better than the other 
list.


Kawal.

Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas chaas0...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Ron:
It is very much like a free for all.  There is one owner, Cara, Quinn 
and one moderator, Mark Taylor.  There are no guidelines in place, 
because according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about 
how the group was being moderated.  Therefore, in the interest of those 
hundreds of alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very 
positive, almost anything goes approach has been adopted.
Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a 
semi-professional  ambiance/.  But, I'm just a list member now, and I 
guess most don't prefer the same approach I do.:)



Take care

CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote:


Hi,

It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a 
free-for-all.  I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to 
do with Mac accessibility but apple in general.


I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted 
input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. 
However, I am considering leaving the list because of its current 
direction.


Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way.



In the Journey,

Ron

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Re: To the Moderators

2011-07-28 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hi Chris,

I'm a female.

Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Jul 2011, at 07:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 He's probably talking about Mac4theblind.  I'm on it, but I almost never post 
 there.  Not because I can't do so, it's just I felt I really wasn't getting 
 near the help on that list that I have and still am getting on this list.  I 
 don't think that they're many members on the other list, actually. I know 
 Sarah Alowami's there, and maybe like 10 or 20 others that regularly post.  
 Trust me, it's really not worth it in my personal opinion.  Again though, 
 that's only my opinion.  If you'd like, Ronald, I can try to find the 
 subscription info for you.  I make no guarantees.  I know a friend of mine 
 had to help me with finding the sub info, but again, if you would like to 
 subscribe, I'll be more than happy to try to figure out the address to do so.
 
 Aside that list and the VIPhone list, those are the only lists I know of. 
 Apparently there is also a maccessibility list, but I've never admittedly 
 tried looking upo the info.
 
 I'll bet you it's probably on
 
 maccessibility.net
 though.
 
 You want me to take a look for ya?
 
 Let me know.  glad to help, if I can.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Ronald McEwan ron.mce...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:47 PM
 Subject: Re: To the Moderators
 
 
 So do tell, what is the other list name.
 
 
 In the Journey,
 
 Ron
 
 On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can 
 tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about 
 anything unless its Mac related.
 
 I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as 
 it was stuffy before so I came off it.  Its much better than the other list.
 
 Kawal.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas chaas0...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Ron:
 It is very much like a free for all.  There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and 
 one moderator, Mark Taylor.  There are no guidelines in place, because 
 according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the 
 group was being moderated.  Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of 
 alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost 
 anything goes approach has been adopted.
 Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional 
  ambiance/.  But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer 
 the same approach I do.:)
 
 
 Take care
 
 CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a 
 free-for-all.  I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do 
 with Mac accessibility but apple in general.
 
 I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted 
 input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while.  However, I 
 am considering leaving the list because of its current direction.
 
 Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way.
 
 
 
 In the Journey,
 
 Ron
 
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Re: To the Moderators

2011-07-28 Thread Patrick Neazer
Hello:

I might be stating the obvious ... it sounds like things have gotten a little 
out of hand. No sides being taken just a statement of the situation. 

If anyone agrees with that analysis it would seem the question on the table 
would be just what is going to be done going forward. If anyone disagrees with 
the analysis then hopefully they would agree that the current environment is 
unsustainable. Something has to give. 

That is all I wanted to say. Hopefully cool heads will prevail and comfort in 
the knowledge that this list is a reputable and secure place to acquire and 
share information can either be reestablished or continued ... depending upon 
how you see the situation.

Take good care and I wish you all enough.
On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote:

 Hi, 
 
 It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all.  
 I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac 
 accessibility but apple in general.  
 
 I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input 
 from those who have been in the apple arena for a while.  However, I am 
 considering leaving the list because of its current direction.  
 
 Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. 
 
 
 
 In the Journey, 
 
 Ron
 
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Re: To the Moderators

2011-07-28 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi Chris!
If your still here!
And you've not put a block on my post's!
So I found out your a Christian OK that's fine by me!
But all I referring to was that there are other people from other countries and 
they might not like the way people say things [and this is not aimed directly 
at you]
But I still stand by watching how people phrase things!
It's no skin off my nose and I'm thicked skinned!
But to give you an idea of my thoughts about you!
As far as Mac [ keeping it list relevant] you would wipe the floor with me I'm 
just a beginner compared to you and many on this list also can put me in my 
place!
So I have no problem with your helpful comments and suggestions but you do not 
need all that other stuff!
As it seems to me your quite good with language [unlike me] and therefore could 
put your views across without all that other stuff!
As for a laid back list I've got no problem with that [i like a laugh to]
So if you think you still can contribute then stay!
Colin

On 28 Jul 2011, at 19:09, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

 OK, that probably explains why I've never heard of the list, being I'm not 
 from the UK.  LOL!  Like I say, it's ok, I get enough good resourceful help 
 here, so no need to bother joining another list for now at least.  :)
 
 Take care.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
 kawal_gucuko...@sent.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:53 PM
 Subject: Re: To the Moderators
 
 
 Mac Access UK.  I think that Anne Robertson is the moderator but I might be 
 wrong.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 28 Jul 2011, at 06:47 PM, Ronald McEwan ron.mce...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 So do tell, what is the other list name.
 
 
 In the Journey,
 
 Ron
 
 On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I 
 can tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about 
 anything unless its Mac related.
 
 I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed approach it has 
 as it was stuffy before so I came off it.  Its much better than the other 
 list.
 
 Kawal.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas chaas0...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Ron:
 It is very much like a free for all.  There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and 
 one moderator, Mark Taylor.  There are no guidelines in place, because 
 according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the 
 group was being moderated.  Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds 
 of alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, 
 almost anything goes approach has been adopted.
 Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a 
 semi-professional  ambiance/.  But, I'm just a list member now, and I 
 guess most don't prefer the same approach I do.:)
 
 
 Take care
 
 CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a 
 free-for-all.  I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to 
 do with Mac accessibility but apple in general.
 
 I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted 
 input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. However, I 
 am considering leaving the list because of its current direction.
 
 Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way.
 
 
 
 In the Journey,
 
 Ron
 
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Moderator note -was- Re: To the Moderators

2011-07-28 Thread Cara Quinn
Hi again All;

Let me just respectfully request that we take this topic of other lists off 
this list. Also, if any of you have real genuine concerns for the moderators of 
this list, then by all means, get in contact with us off the list. Please 
please please do continue this privately and keep this exchange where it 
belongs, K?

Thanks again and a lovely day to you all!

Smiles,

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On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

John,

thanks for the info on these other lists.  I definitely will check them out.

I don't see any reason to unsub from the other list, but we'll discuss this off 
list if needed.  Just because I don['t post much, it is a resourceful list.  I 
just felt I didn't get very many replies aside from one member and I have 
his/her e-mail address and skype info, so it's not like I couldn't just call 
them or write them privately, which is what I've been doing.  I'm on 
Mac4theBlind, but I'm more of a lerker there, none the less.  Hope that's OK.  
If not though, talk to me off list about it as there isn't a need to bore 
others with that personal part of the list, I'd not think.

Anyways, my e-mail address is:

clgillan...@gmail.com

If that doesn't work, then try me at:

cgilla...@carolina.rr.com

Either address should reach me just fine.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: To the Moderators


  As the owner of mac4theblind, just to clarify this misconception, the list is 
intended to be small and low traffic.  It gets the job done for those who are 
subscribed, and there is no pretenses made of it trying to be an alternative to 
any other list out there.  If it doesn't do the job for you, you are more than 
welcomed to unsubscribe or I can do it for you.

  As other lists out there, there is the Mac VoiceOver list run through

http://www.icanworthisthing.com

There is also,as mentioned, the Mac-access list.
http://www.mac-access.net

 There are probably others out there as well, but those come to mind off the 
top of my head.

 In time, though, as people become more familiar with Lion, this list will 
settle down and return more towards the helpful and smooth-running list we are 
used to being a part of.

Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com



On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

 He's probably talking about Mac4theblind.  I'm on it, but I almost never post 
 there.  Not because I can't do so, it's just I felt I really wasn't getting 
 near the help on that list that I have and still am getting on this list.  I 
 don't think that they're many members on the other list, actually. I know 
 Sarah Alowami's there, and maybe like 10 or 20 others that regularly post.  
 Trust me, it's really not worth it in my personal opinion.  Again though, 
 that's only my opinion.  If you'd like, Ronald, I can try to find the 
 subscription info for you.  I make no guarantees.  I know a friend of mine 
 had to help me with finding the sub info, but again, if you would like to 
 subscribe, I'll be more than happy to try to figure out the address to do so.
 
 Aside that list and the VIPhone list, those are the only lists I know of. 
 Apparently there is also a maccessibility list, but I've never admittedly 
 tried looking upo the info.
 
 I'll bet you it's probably on
 
 maccessibility.net
 though.
 
 You want me to take a look for ya?
 
 Let me know.  glad to help, if I can.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Ronald McEwan ron.mce...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:47 PM
 Subject: Re: To the Moderators
 
 
 So do tell, what is the other list name.
 
 
 In the Journey,
 
 Ron
 
 On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can 
 tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about 
 anything unless its Mac related.
 
 I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as 
 it was stuffy before so I came off it.  Its much better than the other list.
 
 Kawal.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas chaas0...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Ron:
 It is very much like a free for all.  There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and 
 one moderator, Mark Taylor.  There are no guidelines in place, because 
 according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the 
 group was being moderated.  Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of 
 alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost 
 anything goes approach has been adopted.
 Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional 
  ambiance/.  But, I'm just a list member now, and I

attention moderators, there are a lot of duplicate messages from the list

2010-08-18 Thread Donna Goodin
I'm seeing two and three copies of messages I send, and multiple copies from 
other members as well.
Best,
Donna

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