[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.24 Recurring Pending Requests

2021-01-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
ginating them. Then you have to find all the Mailman installations on that server to see which one has the list with the pending request. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.24 Recurring Pending Requests

2021-01-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
submit all data > > Mailman reports "There are no pending requests." > > Tomorrow the same thing happens reporting the same historic > date of the non-member post. See the FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/8683538>. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is

[Mailman-Users] Re: Archive Issue -- prune_arch doesn't remove detached attachments?

2020-12-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 12/22/20 8:35 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > My current thinking is if the list's scrub_nondigest setting is Yes, > remove the "pruned" attachments and if either -b/--backup or > -p/--preserve is specified, backup/preserve them too. > > Other thoughts are welcome

[Mailman-Users] Re: Archive Issue -- prune_arch doesn't remove detached attachments?

2020-12-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
I.e., the backed up or pruned mbox will contain links to attachments which will be broken if the attachments are removed. My current thinking is if the list's scrub_nondigest setting is Yes, remove the "pruned" attachments and if either -b/--backup or -p/--preserve is specified, back

[Mailman-Users] Re: Manually incrementing bounce counters

2020-12-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
script around for doing either thing? See <https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/set_nomail.py>, mirrored at <https://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/set_nomail.py> -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan --

[Mailman-Users] Re: genaliases not generating aliases

2020-12-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
think some program is generating them, but which one? Postfix. In order for us to help further, please post the full mail.log entry for the bounce and the output of `postconf -n` -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B.

[Mailman-Users] Re: Using Mailgun with Mailman

2020-12-06 Thread Mark Sapiro
it presumably sends the mail with its own envelope sender which would preclude Mailman's bounce processing -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -

[Mailman-Users] Re: From Format

2020-11-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 11/26/20 9:11 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > > That option (from_is_list) is already set to Munge from. And what exactly does the From: header in mail from the RHEL list look like? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your

[Mailman-Users] Re: From Format

2020-11-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
t only for messages from domains that publish DMARC policies, set General Options -> from_is_list to No and set Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> dmarc_moderation_action to Munge From and set dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action and dmarc_none_moderation_action as desired. -- Mark Sap

[Mailman-Users] Re: Migrating Mailman lists from one server to another

2020-11-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 11/22/20 5:51 AM, Tony Stocker wrote: > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 12:47 PM Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> Basically, just "copy and paste" the /var/lib/mailman/lists directory >> from the old machine to the new. Also see <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030682>. >

[Mailman-Users] Re: Migrating Mailman lists from one server to another

2020-11-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
er to the other so that we > don't have to reconfigure anything. Is this possible? If so, are there > any detailed instructions for it posted anywhere? Basically, just "copy and paste" the /var/lib/mailman/lists directory from the old machine to the new. Also see <https://wiki.list.or

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman3 installation

2020-11-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 11/20/20 4:57 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > ... I should have mentioned in my other reply, this list is for Mailman 2. The appropriate list for Mailman 3 is mailman-us...@mailman3.org <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-us...@mailman3.org/>. -- Mark Sapiro The h

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman3 installation

2020-11-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
thing up for django in /srv/django/mailman/public/. In any case, I don't think you should be looking at <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/deployment.html> which is specific to Postorius only. I recommend starting at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/

[Mailman-Users] Re: Removal of Line Breaks in Replies to Digest Messages

2020-11-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
hunderbird on Windows 10, the issue is with the user's phone client and there's probably nothing Mailman can do about it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan ---

[Mailman-Users] Re: Removal of Line Breaks in Replies to Digest Messages

2020-11-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
d render OK in messages in a MIME format digest, but then the pnone client may not do a reasonable job of rendering a MIME format digest. As far as whether the digest formatting is "messed up", I'd need to see an actual digest message to comment further. -- Mark Sapiro

[Mailman-Users] Re: CPU %-usage surge associated with list archives

2020-11-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 11/17/20 8:30 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > > And several years ago (in the 2.1.5 timeframe), RedHat modified their > > Mailman package to be FHS compliant for the specific purpose of avoiding > > SELinux security violations. >

[Mailman-Users] Re: Removal of Line Breaks in Replies to Digest Messages

2020-11-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
hould open the individual message and reply to that. For the plain digest, they should just copy/paste relevant context from the digest into a new post to the list. Of course, training list members to do that is probably not possible ... -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gambler

[Mailman-Users] Re: CPU %-usage surge associated with list archives

2020-11-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
x27;s even documented, if the policy docs are installed: And several years ago (in the 2.1.5 timeframe), RedHat modified their Mailman package to be FHS compliant for the specific purpose of avoiding SELinux security violations. See <https://wiki.list.org/x/8486953> and <https://wiki.list

[Mailman-Users] Re: CPU %-usage surge associated with list archives

2020-11-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
justment to your SELinux policies. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email

[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-2.1.34 with Captcha

2020-11-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 11/11/20 1:59 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > I am getting "ERROR for site owner: Invalid key type" with Google > reCAPTCHA. > when using v3 key type. You need V2 checkbox keys for this feature. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco B

[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-2.1.34 with Captcha

2020-11-10 Thread Mark Sapiro
;What is this mailing list software called?', '[Mm]ailman'), ], 'de': [ ('Was ist 3 mal 6?', '(18|achtzehn)'), ], } to Mailman/mm_cfg.py. Of course use your own settings for the language(s) and question, answer pairs. You can also enable Goo

[Mailman-Users] Re: Don't moderate any senders from a specific domain

2020-11-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mailman/Handlers/Emergency.py. With the patch I provided, you'd need to set Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> default_member_moderation = Yes and then set all current members moderated via Membership Management... -> Membership List -> Additional Member Tasks -- Mark Sapiro

[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

2020-11-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
digestable = No Archiving Options -> archive = No and nothing will be stored in the archive. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing lis

[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

2020-11-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
d and non-plain text attachments are scrubbed and stored in the archive even if there are no digest recipients. The way to avoid this scrubbing and storing aside of attachments from the digest is to set Digest options -> digestible to No. If the list is not digestable, digests won't be cr

[Mailman-Users] Re: Don't moderate any senders from a specific domain

2020-11-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
return # If the member's moderation flag is on, then perform the moderation # action. if mlist.getMemberOption(sender, mm_cfg.Moderate): -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabet

[Mailman-Users] Re: no action on subscription requests

2020-11-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
sting provider. Depending on the provider, this may be anywhere from easy to impossible. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list --

[Mailman-Users] Re: no action on subscription requests

2020-11-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
ription request either by mail or via the signup page. What's in Mailman's logs with timestamps around the time of a request. In particular, the `error`, `subscribe`, `vette`, `smtp` and `smtp-failure` logs. If there are entries in the `smtp` log indicating messages have been sent,

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman3 installation

2020-11-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
ory when you run the various manage.py commands. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send

[Mailman-Users] Re: Problem with SPF, DKIM or Mailman-DMARC settings

2020-11-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
with opendkim? If so, what are your opendkin.conf settings for SenderHeaders and SigningTable and what is the content of the file referred to by SigningTable? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

2020-11-06 Thread Mark Sapiro
e task on most lists), because I think the plain text digest is created even if it has no recipients. You can set Digest options -> digestable to No and force everyone to subscribe to messages, but that may not be acceptable. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francis

[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

2020-11-06 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 11/6/20 5:09 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote: > > Currently, the lists are setup as follows: > [image: image.png] > Non-digest options -> scrub_nondigestis set to No. You need to set Archiving Options -> archive to No. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San

[Mailman-Users] Re: Delete a message from the list archive

2020-11-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
>for my own Mailman 2 clients. I don't believe it is possible for a >cPanel user to do this since they normally don't have root access to >the >server. In addition, if the digest hasn't been sent, the message can be removed from the list's digest.mbox file. As Br

[Mailman-Users] Re: Migrating Mailman Lists from One Server to Another

2020-10-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
able by the web server. It should be mode o+x, or if it is o-x, it must be owned by the web server user. See the warning box at <https://www.list.org/mailman-install/node9.html>. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Fr

[Mailman-Users] Re: Migrating Mailman Lists from One Server to Another

2020-10-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
the /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox directory and move the /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file. Then run `bin/arch --wipe LISTNAME` as the mailman user to rebuild the pipermail archive. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,

[Mailman-Users] Re: Can not find the "msgid" for a specific mail for mailman administrator.

2020-10-27 Thread Mark Sapiro
n/checkdbs just as it says in comments that precede the msgid in the mailman.po file. But, why do you want to modify the english message and msgid? Why not leave them as is and just modify the translated msgstr. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californi

[Mailman-Users] Re: Group Mismatch Error

2020-10-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
lman' rather than 'nobody', mailman will not start. Are you referring to the thread at <https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/thread/NR7ACRKU552EJYGXNLUVUVB47HF2N3QD/>? If so, I don't have time at the moment to look in detail, but the issue seemed to

[Mailman-Users] Re: Group Mismatch Error

2020-10-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
ner of the .db file in which it found the alias. See the `DELIVERY RIGHTS` section at <http://www.postfix.org/local.8.html>. This means if /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db is owned by `mailman`, Postfix will invoke the wrapper as group `mailman` and you should configure --with-mail-gid=mailman

[Mailman-Users] Re: Settings for "monthly password reminders", etc.

2020-10-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
ividual setting, then subscribers > are being misled, because they think they have choices when they actually > don't, I agree in the case of password reminders, but it's been that way for many years and I have seen few if any reports of confusion.

[Mailman-Users] Re: http vs https

2020-10-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
s' is very much > desired. > > As I mentioned, we have no control over the server, but is there a way for > our provider to have all relevant URLs start with 'https'? See the FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/17892007>. -- Mark Sapiro The highway

[Mailman-Users] Re: 7bit vs. 8bit settings

2020-10-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
cle at <https://wiki.list.org/x/15958250>, however as the article notes, setting the character set to utf-8 will cause message bodies to be encoded as base64, not 8bit. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco

[Mailman-Users] Re: How to prevent moderation queue from rewriting From:-field?

2020-10-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 10/19/20 7:10 PM, Thomas Gramstad wrote: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2020, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >>  and Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> dmarc_*moderation_action ? > > x Munge From > > Yeah, that's it. > I suppose I could change that to Accept? You could,

[Mailman-Users] Re: transferring a mailman2 list to a new server

2020-10-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
is > before, what have I missed? See the FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030602>. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users ma

[Mailman-Users] Re: site wide password does not work mailman2

2020-10-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
/bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Utils.py#L59> and the 13 lines at <https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Utils.py#L452> -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area,

[Mailman-Users] Re: How to prevent moderation queue from rewriting From:-field?

2020-10-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
m_is_list and Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> dmarc_*moderation_action ? Note that if this From: munging only occurs on messages which are held for moderation and approved and does not happen for messages From: the same address which are not held for moderation then I don't

[Mailman-Users] Re: Topic hack to streamline use of topics.

2020-10-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ > -- Mark Sapiro

[Mailman-Users] Re: Help with Topics

2020-10-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 10/15/20 1:41 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > On 10/13/20 3:51 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> For example, if topic1 has regexp \WMailman\W and topic2 has regexp >> \Wlist\W, any message containing a Subject: or Topics: header or >> pseudo header containing the word

[Mailman-Users] Re: Help with Topics

2020-10-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
o those topics will he get multiple > copies in that case? No. > Question 3: What effect do Topics have on subscribers receiving the > Digest?  Are they effectively subscribed to all Topics? Digests contain all messages without any regard to topics. > I see great potential for th

[Mailman-Users] Re: Help with Topics

2020-10-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
are no plans to make any changes to MM 2.1 topics as currently implemented. An implementation of Mailman 2.1 topics is not in Mailman 3, and probably won't ever be. The thought for Mailman 3 is to enable 'dynamic sublists' which would allow users to (un)subscribe to specific thread

[Mailman-Users] Re: Help with Topics

2020-10-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
t are doing the retries. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailm

[Mailman-Users] Re: "Bug in Mailman version 2.1.29"

2020-10-05 Thread Mark Sapiro
> > It seems that ANY change of that web page, no matter how trivial, > triggers the error message. We need to see the full error message and traceback from Mailman's error log to understand what's going on. If you don't have access to that information, your hosti

[Mailman-Users] Re: List settings change from mailman admin panel do not apply

2020-10-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
ause of this behavior? See the FAQ at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030602>. The most likely cause is a redirect from http to https in which case see steps 2 and 3 at <https://wiki.list.org/x/17892007>. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisc

[Mailman-Users] Re: Non-member regexps

2020-09-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
t; and post there. I will follow up once I know which Mailman this is. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@

[Mailman-Users] Re: Non-member regexps

2020-09-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
are using Mailman 3. The appropriate list for Mailman 3 is mailman-us...@mailman3.org <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-us...@mailman3.org/>. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your s

[Mailman-Users] Re: Non-member regexps

2020-09-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
ber checks addresses in several things (default From:, envelope sender, Reply-To:, Sender), *_these_nonmembers checks only the first address found in From:, Sender:, envelope sender in that order by default, but if USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER is set True in mm_cfg.py, the order is Sender:, From:, envelope sender.

[Mailman-Users] Re: Virtualhosts in mailman 3 / postorius

2020-09-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-us...@mailman3.org/> -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsu

[Mailman-Users] Re: Virtualhosts in mailman 3 / postorius

2020-09-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
e` will throw a NameError exception and setting `filter_vhost` rather than `FILTER_VHOST` won't throw any exception, but will not set the variable being tested. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use y

[Mailman-Users] Re: Reply-To: Poster via archive?

2020-09-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
f the user wants to reply to the poster in this way, she needs to edit the recipients when composing the mail. I recognize this is inconvenient, but no changes are contemplated. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Califor

[Mailman-Users] Re: Removed archive messages won't die

2020-09-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
of the article database. There is also a script at <https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/hddump> which can dump these databases and may be useful as illustration of how to access them with Archiver methods. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Califor

[Mailman-Users] Re: Problem with outlook.com

2020-09-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
27;t know that changing the encoding from iso-8859-7 to utf-8 will help with this Hotmail issue or not, but it might be worth a try. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan ---

[Mailman-Users] Re: Post log not being written

2020-09-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
or is SIGHUP'd either directly or by mailmanctl reopen. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsu

[Mailman-Users] Re: Post log not being written

2020-09-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
ID when Mailman is running? FWIW, I don't try to check if mailman is running in my postrotate script. I use > postrotate > /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl reopen >/dev/null 2>&1 || true > endscript -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,

[Mailman-Users] Re: Subscribers receive some messages, not all messages

2020-09-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
rentine_moderation_action = Yes to be what they want. It can also help with some ISPs to publish a DMARC policy for your domain in DNS, even if it is p=none. Beyond that, do the messages bounce? I.e. are there entries in Mailman's bounce log. Also, what do the MTA logs say about these deliver

[Mailman-Users] Re: Post log not being written

2020-09-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
script contain? Does it do bin/mailmanctl reopen after rotation? -- Mark Sapiro Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an em

[Mailman-Users] Re: extracting a lists's setting to move the list to a new domain

2020-09-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
r options, a csv file of members and their options. They are the same except mailman-subscribers3.py is a python 3 script and mailman-subscribers.py is python 2. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter u

[Mailman-Users] Re: extracting a lists's setting to move the list to a new domain

2020-09-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
is just a different virtual domain on the same server, see <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030617>. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
lman-cabal is just the name of a mailing list, nothing more. Officially, the group is the Mailman Steering Committee. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan --

[Mailman-Users] Re: Post log not being written

2020-09-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
-id)s, success') > > # This will only be printed if there were any addresses which encountered an > # immediate smtp failure. Mutually exclusive with SMTP_LOG_SUCCESS. > SMTP_LOG_REFUSED = ( > 'post', > 'post to %(listname)s from %(sender)s, size=%(siz

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
t a web > server and an MTA sitting between mailman and the rest of the Internet. Am > I wrong about that? I think that was exactly Steve's point. > Does mailman even include its own web server? I didn't think it did. No, it doesn't. It does however do SMTP to an MTA

[Mailman-Users] Re: delete a message out of a pending digest?

2020-09-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
> Is it possible? and if so, where can I find the documentation on this > procedure? Messages for the digest are accumulated in Mailman's lists//digest.mbox file. You can edit this file with a text editor or an MUA like mutt to remove the unwanted message. -- Mark Sapiro

[Mailman-Users] Re: Archive Issue

2020-09-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
c/* is an actual file hierarchy, it is static and you won't see changes. By fixing this and making /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/* the appropriate symlinks, pipermail URLs are now showing you the content in /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/* which was being updated all along. -- Ma

[Mailman-Users] Re: Archive Issue

2020-09-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
/var/lib/mailman/archives/public on the production system symlinks or entire file hierarchies. I suspect the former and that the full file hierarchies in /var/lib/mailman/archives/public only exist in the backups. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Cal

[Mailman-Users] Re: Archive Issue

2020-09-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
The bottom line is when backing up, always ensure you copy symlinks as symlinks and not their targets. For rsync, this is -l/--links (included as part of -a/--archive). For cp, it's -d or -P/--no-dereference or -a/--archive. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for

[Mailman-Users] Re: Archive Issue

2020-09-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 9/17/20 9:39 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > On 9/17/2020 12:29 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 9/17/20 9:06 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> >> Before doing anything, show me the results of >> ls -la /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ > # ls -la /var/lib/mailman/archives/public

[Mailman-Users] Re: Archive Issue

2020-09-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
ed first. >> Are new messages being appended to the >> /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox files? > No This part I don't understand. What does ls -la /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/*.mbox show? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 9/17/20 8:04 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 07:54 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> Forward to where? > > Oh the irony of you asking that question. :) If we go back a year, > there were STARK warnings about the EOL of mm2. Blatant E

[Mailman-Users] Re: Archive Issue

2020-09-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 9/17/20 7:56 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > On 9/17/2020 10:43 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> Is ArchRunner running? Are there entries in /var/spool/mailman/archive/? > Looks like it: What makes you think messages aren't being archived? Is your archive public? If so, is /v

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
t; issues that are appearing over on the MM3-users list and in #mailman. Forward to where? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing lis

[Mailman-Users] Re: Archive Issue

2020-09-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 9/17/20 7:24 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > On 9/17/2020 9:59 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 9/17/20 6:49 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >>> For some reason, messages are not being archived. I see no error in the >>> logs and check_perms says no problems found. Any suggestion

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
stall, and working on that would be a valuable and worthwhile effort. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.or

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
e via his hosting services. I would welcome and support anyone who wants to develop a lightweight, pythonic web UI for Mailman 3 list management and/or archiving and make it available to the community. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabe

[Mailman-Users] Re: Archive Issue

2020-09-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
any logs being written? What are mode and user:group on /var/log/mailman/? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

[Mailman-Users] Re: Manual Update on Centos 7 (RH)

2020-09-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
entation was lacking on what that parameter should be. I suggest > you add this to your document. I've updated the FAQ. Thanks again. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan s

[Mailman-Users] Re: Manual Update on Centos 7 (RH)

2020-09-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
to <https://wiki.list.org/x/17892071> to include the other configure options you used. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[Mailman-Users] Re: Manual Update on Centos 7 (RH)

2020-09-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
ou try it, I'd appreciate feedback. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users m

[Mailman-Users] Re: Manual Update on Centos 7 (RH)

2020-09-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 9/16/20 12:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/16/20 11:10 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> Hi Mark, >> >> On to the next layer of the onion. After the install I get this: >> >> #./check_perms -f >> WARNING: directory does not exist: @PID_DIR@ >> W

[Mailman-Users] Re: Manual Update on Centos 7 (RH)

2020-09-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 9/16/20 12:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > configure should have replaced the things @PID_DIR@, @CONFIG_DIR@, > @LOCK_DIR@, @QUEUE_DIR@ and @LOG_DIR@ with actual paths. > > I think you need to provide options like > --with-pid-dir=/var/run/mailman/ -- with-config-dir=/etc/mai

[Mailman-Users] Re: Manual Update on Centos 7 (RH)

2020-09-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
with that; run configure with options ..., and anything else. With that info, I will create a FAQ for RHEL/CentOS analogous to the Debian/Ubuntu one at <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891606>. Actually, I'm starting to work ion that now. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamble

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
uot; and "sort by latest first, or use your browser's find in page function. It doesn't seem that difficult for me if I know what I'm looking for. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
ou to make a proposal to mailman-ca...@python.org. I suggested what I thought it should include. I don't think I said it had to include all that. See my follow=up at <https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/message/WS5ISNCEOGKEJRJNO3FCXFBCXMJY5ADC/>. -- Mark Sapiro

[Mailman-Users] Re: Manual Update on Centos 7 (RH)

2020-09-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 9/15/20 12:28 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > On 9/15/2020 3:06 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> If you are in the directory that you unpacked the Mailman 2.1.34 tarball >> into, do >> >> patch -p1 < /path/to/mailman-FHS.patch >> >> > Hi Mark, >

[Mailman-Users] Re: Manual Update on Centos 7 (RH)

2020-09-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
command (i.e. check_perms)? I also assume I need to use -u. If you are in the directory that you unpacked the Mailman 2.1.34 tarball into, do patch -p1 < /path/to/mailman-FHS.patch -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter us

[Mailman-Users] Re: Manual Update on Centos 7 (RH)

2020-09-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
It needs to be applied before running configure as it patches configure. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ---

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
ffinity and Empathy are his proprietary work and he has valid reasons for not licensing their use by others. Would you care to elaborate on why you think interacting with HK is "an abysmal time waste"? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californi

[Mailman-Users] Re: Manual Update on Centos 7 (RH)

2020-09-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
out. At a minimum, you need to configure with the options `--prefix=/usr/lib/mailman --with-var-prefix=/var/lib/mailman`, but there are other things changed in configure itself by the patch to get things installed in the proper places. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman 2 and postfix problem

2020-09-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
. This also requires other mm_cfg.py settings. See <https://www.list.org/mailman-install/postfix-integration.html>. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan ---

[Mailman-Users] Re: Manual Update on Centos 7 (RH)

2020-09-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
led to start GNU Mailing > List Manager. > Sep 14 10:31:12 harmonia.csd.net systemd[1]: Unit mailman.service > entered failed state. > Sep 14 10:31:12 harmonia.csd.net systemd[1]: mailman.service failed. > > I don't understand the permissions denied error. I su

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
so I ask that any potential group of Mailman 2.1 developers either fork the project in which case, they can do whatever they want with their fork, or if they want to commit changes to the Mailman 2.1 branch on Launchpad that they be willing to take over the entire job. -- Mark Sap

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. And, I don't see what use there is of just updating the branch on Launchpad without making releases. You may have ideas about how this can work without all that. That's why I think we want to see and discuss your proposal. -- Mark Sap

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
proposal to mailman-ca...@python.org -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an emai

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

2020-09-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
OK, I'm back and more or less caught up so I'm ready to continue this discussion. In his initial post in this thread, Jim suggests that he and others want to join the Mailman Coders team on Launchpad in order to commit to the Mailman 2.1 branch there. In a thread on the merge proposal that sta

<    1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   >