Re: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: mailman postfix ldap virtual user
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012, Gökhan Alkan wrote: I uncomment the dovecot line in master.cf and virtual_transport = dovecot. But it doesn't work, Why postfix doesn't handle alias_maps when the email is delivered to virtual domains ? Do you have your domain in either virtual_alias_domains or virtual_mailbox_domains, or mentioned in a file/resource pointed at by either virtual_alias_maps or virtual_mailbox_maps? If Postfix doesn't think your domain is virtual, it won't look in virtual_alias_maps for the address. The config you recently posted seemed a bit mixed up, with hosts/domains mentioned in multiple configuration variables. As a general rule, a domain should only be mentioned once in any of mydestinations (locally-deliverable mail), virtual_*_domains (other hosted domains that are not local) and relay_domains (domains you relay somewhere else). I think that perhaps you don't have a clear understanding of Postfix address classes and what each is used for. I recommend reading http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html If your Mailman domain has no mailboxes, you can put it in either virtual_alias_domains or in a virtual_alias_maps file. If you want mailboxes too, use the virtual_mailbox_* equivalents (I use this for everything personally). HTH, Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix-style Virtual Domains (not a problem, only a question!)
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012, Norbert Aschendorff wrote: I'm maintaining a server with Postfix and Mailman including Postfix-style virtual domains. This works fine so far. But is it normal that the creation of a list for a virtual subdomain ($prefix/bin/newlist -e subdomain listname) not only creates entries in $prefix/data/virtual-mailman, but also in the aliases file for the main domain ($prefix/data/aliases)? I didn't find anything on the web, there are only issues related to non-found hash DBs or missing virtual domains etc. Yes, this is normal. Compare and contrast the following example from virtual-mailman st...@mintfm.net staff staff-ad...@mintfm.netstaff-admin staff-boun...@mintfm.net staff-bounces staff-conf...@mintfm.net staff-confirm staff-j...@mintfm.net staff-join staff-le...@mintfm.netstaff-leave staff-ow...@mintfm.netstaff-owner staff-requ...@mintfm.net staff-request staff-subscr...@mintfm.netstaff-subscribe staff-unsubscr...@mintfm.net staff-unsubscribe with the equivalent from aliases: staff: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post staff staff-admin: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin staff staff-bounces: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces staff staff-confirm: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm staff staff-join:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join staff staff-leave: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave staff staff-owner: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner staff staff-request: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request staff staff-subscribe: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe staff staff-unsubscribe: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe staff The first one maps from the actual Email address (including domain) to the alias for the list. The second points these aliases to the commands they actually need to run. But in mailman-install.pdf which I used for the installation, there's the following sentence: Mailman’s support of virtual domains is limited in that list names must be globally unique within a single Mailman instance, i.e., two lists may not have the same name even if they are in different domains. Right. If I made another staff list in a different domain, the stock Mailman would still point it to the alias staff. Is that related? Or am I doing something wrong? Providing you aren't wanting to make two lists with the same name in two different domains, you're doing just fine. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Brad Knowles wrote: I've got a copy of Mountain Lion server (it's only $20), and the code in question is Python, so it has to be shipped as source. So, if we want their changes, it's easy enough to get them. Actually, it doesn't have to be shipped as source. They could ship just the .pyc files. But this doesn't mean it's not shipped as source. Anyone with Apple Server could confirm this one way or the other. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman POSTFIX Configuration Help
Hi,
I'm not a Postfix guru, but...
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012, Futchko, Rose wrote:
Basically, POSTFIX has been configured for base email to be sent to
x...@mail-test.company.org and I would like the mail list to use
x...@listtest.company.org
{snip}
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
mydestination = $myhostname, listtest.$mydomain
I think here is your problem. You've set up your Mailman aliases as being
virtual but you've put listtest in mydestination (which makes it not
virtual).
Instead, I'd recommend doing:
virtual_mailbox_domains = listtest.company.org
MM_CFG.PY
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'listtest.company.org'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listtest.company.org'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
MTA = 'Postfix'
You'll also need to add:
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['listtest.company.org']
for Mailman to populate the virtual file when new lists are created.
HTH,
Geoff.
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[Mailman-Users] Help! How to quell list address in personalised messages
Hi, A bit urgent. I thought I'd turn on personalisation for an announce list I'm putting together, in order to have the person's address in the To field instead of the list address. The box will only be used for this list and messages wil only go out about once a month, so performance isn't an issue. But when I turned on full personalisation and got my Email address in the To field, the list address got sent in the Cc field. Is there any way I can stop this? I want to keep people from trying to post to the list. I will close other doors as well but there's really no need for people to see the list address. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help! How to quell list address in personalised messages
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012, Mark Sapiro wrote: This is intentional and by design to facilitate people replying to the list even with full personalization. Yes but for an announcement-type list you don't want this. If you don't want this, you need to modify Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py to not add the list posting address to Cc: or add a custom handler following CookHeaders to remove it. Thanks very much. I just found the same advice you wrote two years ago at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-April/069241.html Lets see if I can do this without serious breakage. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help! How to quell list address in personalised messages
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012, Mark Sapiro wrote: If you need help, let me know. Think I got it. Commenting out the block at line 161 (Mailman 2.1.13) seems to have done the trick. Thanks again, Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Using with a database and *without* a webserver
Hi, I've been contracted to do a Mailman setup for a company that wants to set up a newsletter-type list. They'd like to use a database for the back-end and to hide as much of Mailman's internals as possible without creating too much work. First, databases. We'd prefer to use PostgreSQL but I've not managed to find any code for doing this. We can use MySQL instead. I found a guide at http://loeki.tv/log/archives/81-Setting-up-Mailman-to-store-members-in-a-MySQL-database.html which references files at http://trac.rezo.net/trac/rezo/browser/Mailman/MySQLMemberAdaptor Is this the best approach/patch to use? Do people doing this use something else? As for the web stuff, are there things we need the web interface for or can we do everything via the command line? I'm thinking we probably need the web UI for some things but don't recall exactly what. Thanks, Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Using with a database and *without* a webserver
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012, Brad Knowles wrote: So far as I know, there's no official way to use an SQL database with Mailman 2, although there is the MemberAdaptor that you found which is believed to work with MySQL. If you'd like to modify the code to work with PostgreSQL instead, that would be great! I would love to! However, this is a time-sensitive deployment (they want it up by Monday), so making this change when we could simply just run MySQL instead doesn't really make sense. Mailman 3 is intended to be the version that will officially integrate with other database technologies through standard Python interface, but it's still in early beta right now. Yeah. I'd love to run Mailman 3 up the stick and use that, but it's not quite ready and I'm certainly not ready enough to try to get it running reliably by Monday. Mailman was not designed to be used exclusively from the command line. There are lots of admin functions that can't be done, or can't be easily done, without access to a web server. Of course, that web server could always be locked away and accessible only to the admins, but then you kind of defeat the purpose of a lot of the Mailman self-provisioning functionality. I thought as much. Without going into details however, there are security considerations etc, and apparently addressing these is not straight-forward or timely. So I may enable it and hide it away somewhere... I'll see what my employer wants. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL redacts user addresses even with VERP and full personalization enabled
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: From a practical point of view my EVERP proposal may not be a good scheme for dealing with AOL's redaction policy in Email Feedback Reports. Although it would obviously fool the existing automated redaction process, a radical change to the contents of the VERP address in the envelope sender would probably attract the notice of a real person, no matter how clueless. Ah, but we can just say this allows us to VERP without exposing addresses on anybody's disk; this helps protect your users' privacy. Oh the irony. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] more questions about Yahoo feedback loop and abuse complaints
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012, Larry Stone wrote: Sad to say, that does appear to be how AOL thinks. Their customers never make mistakes, etc. If a customer clicked Mark as spam, then it's spam and that point is not open to discussion. They're not the only one. Roadrunner blocked all the mail from the server I used to administer because of one user on one list. Fortunately, subscribing to their feedback loop fixed that. But they weren't willing to give the user's address either. I managed to figure it out but that's not the point. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Ubuntu release of Mailman
Hi, I'd like to make the case for considering the Debian etc Mailman instead of rolling your own. I've done several Mailman installs under Debian and Ubuntu and have had minimal problems. The key in my opinion is to look at the installation guide and make sure you actually do everything that's listed there that's appropriate. It's easy enough to assume that a lot of what you need to do regarding setup will be done for you when you install a package, but this isn't really the case with Mailman (by necessity). ONe of the reasons why installing from source is not exactly straight-forward is that Debian has conventions for things like the user accounts used for specific things. If you're going to compile Mailman from source on a Debian-based system, you'll need to either undermine a lot of other things, or supply the appropriate configure flags so that Mailman uses the accounts that Debian uses. I had to do a number of Mailman instals on a Ubuntu box in 2009. This is the command line I came up with: ./configure --with-username=list --with-groupname=list \ --with-mail-gid=list --with-cgi-gid=www-data These flags were a product of looking at the Debian package sources and several rounds with the various bits of the system where it complained about user mismatches. Since I was doing multiple installs for multiple virtual hosts (see other thread on this), I also added: --prefix=/usr/local/mailman/example.com/ --with-mailhost=example.com --with-urlhost=www.example.com I also wrote the following in my file of notes at the time (since I was going to have to do this multiple times): You might want to umask 002 before running make. after make install: cd $prefix bin/check_perms then chown www-data archives/private chmod o-x archives/private (Do stuff specific to your webserver and MTA setup) Run bin/genailiases from $prefix Try check-perms again after genaliases ---CUT here --- There were some other bits and pieces specific to the multiple hosts aspect of it. IN particular, there was a patch I was applying to add the domain as a suffix so that the same list name could be used across domains. I'm not sure if that patch is now the virtual hosts branch or if it's something else. All this was a product of many days of slavery and lots of helpful advice from this list, which you can read at the following threads (don't know why they split): http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-October/067354.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-October/067363.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-October/067364.html Hope all of this is of some use to someone. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery
On Fri, 11 May 2012, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: On the other hand we're getting spam reports for list mails (not spam!) our users sent to a list. But since it's not spam we cannot actually do anything about those mails while the LIST ADMIN could easily unsubscribe the people reporting the spam. Except the list admin may not know about this. Some people are just too lazy to unsubscribe from a list they double-opted into and report the mail as spam. I had a situation where the organisation I was working for was having all mail sent from its server being completely blocked by a large American ISP, all on the back of one person's spam reports. They wouldn't even tell us what the address was. Fortunately I was able to figure out the address and the list from the headers of a message and remove the person in question. I'm not sure that I'dve been able to do this with a Mailman message, they were using inferior (IMHO) list software then. The only way we could avoid this happening again was to subscribe to their feedback loop. Then we would receive the spam reports instead of them being immediately acted upon, under the understanding that we would act on them instead. Of course, everyone has their own feedback loop, and if you care about getting mail through to big providers, you'll probably need to subscribe to all their feedback loops. A good page with info on this and other issues is http://www.spamhaus.org/faq/section/ISP%20Spam%20Issues HTH, Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] confirmation string is not working
On Tue, 8 May 2012, dhanushka ranasinghe wrote: As you guys know.after sending unsubscribe request to mailing list it will send the confirmation string..,my problem is this string is not working, when i enter the string and submit it , page will just refresh to the same page. can't find in any errors in even logs.. any idea why this is happening .. You don't enter the string into a web page. You either reply to the Email message, or click the link in the Email (IIRC). Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] can I use a mailman list address as a (qmail)sender address?
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Yup. But he explained this. The list is the public face of a committee, and at least some outgoing mail should appear to be from the committee. Couldn't this be done by sending from an existing account and spoofing the From line? Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail message to list disappears
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012, Peter STUMPF wrote: * version of mailman: 2.1.1 Are you sure? This version is *ancient*. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Site admin per mail domain
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Christian Lerrahn wrote: I have noticed that Mailman identifies lists by there names only but allows them to run in different mail domains. I realise that I can also have different domains and host names for the web interfaces. However, what I cannot find out for sure is if a site admin only exists per Mailman install or also per mail domain. Certainly in the regular release Mailman, site admin is per install. You could achieve what you want by having multiple Mailman installations, one per domain. Also, is there a trick to have lists te...@lists.example.net and te...@lists.example.com simultaneously without needing to work with aliases somehow? There is a patch for being able to do this IIRC, but not in stock unpached Mailman. Apparently this will be possible in Mainman 3. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] add_members question
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Rob McLear wrote: If I type ./add_members -wn -r - listname the shell pauses as if waiting for my input, but nothing I type has any effect. Try pressing control-d after you've finished typing, this is the unix end-of-file character. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Misleading Email response. Please fix!
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011, Mark Sapiro wrote: Mark Sapiro wrote: Please report this as a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+filebug. Nevermind. I reported and fixed it https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/889968. Thanks very much! Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Misleading Email response. Please fix!
Hi, I've been meaning to request this for ages. I don't see this very often, but when I do, it gives me a heart attack. I usually use the web interface for approving messages. But I occasionally do it via Email. When I do, I get a response back that looks like this: The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Results: Confirmation succeeded - Unprocessed: Approved: admin password - Done. CUT HERE--- To me at least, this suggests that the message has been rejected, not approved, as the text says that the approval command was not processed. I know this isn't the case because I see the message posted to the list, but when I initially saw it, I had a panic as I thought I'd lost a message for the list. Is it possible to fix this so that the message is more clear about what has happened? The Confirmation succeeded message is not very explanatory, and seen in isolation doesn't really tell you anythying about whether the message was approved or rejected. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with postfix, using virtual domains
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: That's not wise IMHO, better to separate domain for list server and virtual mailbox domain. I've *never* had to do this and believe it just creates unecesary complexity where it's not needed. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Installed, now stumped
On Sat, 3 Sep 2011, Michael Cooley wrote: With some slight edits to the configure script, I've successfully installed mailman on my Hostmonster user account. Not knowing where to go from there, I went into the cgi-bin dir and ran 'admin' from my shell account. This error showed up in the log: admin(19369): File /home1/ancestr2/local/mailman/scripts/driver, line 106, admin(19369): if not request_method.lower() in ['get', 'post', 'head']: admin(19369): AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'lower' I commented out the offending lines (for the hell of it) and the script ran. This is not how you're meant to run admin. It's meant to be called from the web. The lines above show that the script is looking to see whichHTTP request method was used, and it's crashing because no request method was used. I think I need to be pointed to a doc that tells me how to implement the front-end. What public directory do I need and what do I put into it? You should look at the installation manual. You can read/download it from http://list.org/./site.html If your host is a webhost rather than a VPS (virtual server), you may find yourself running into difficulties, particularly with integrating Mailman with the mail transport agent. I don't know anything about Hostmonster but others here probably do. If this is your problem, you're going to have problems with all mailing list software in thie regard. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribers accessing private list archives
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011, Prietz, Ian wrote: I am looking for a way to give subscribers a generic password that would authenticate them to be able to view the archives (so they can revisit any past messages). Note, I do not want them to be able to access their subscriber settings to be able to unsubscribe themselves. I would almost like to just have everyone be given a generic password (that I could give out upon request), so they can view the private archives. That's all. I would set the archives to be public, but require authentication through the webserver for this area of the site. If you can use .htaccess files, you might be able to require that a password be entered to access /pipermail/listname under your domain. since I admin my own servers, I don't know how easy this would be to do, but someone here would. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Anonymous emails with the sender information
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 6/12/2011 3:03 AM, Nigel Woodley wrote: The spam problem I have is because we have many members from different organisations linked by a private network. Emails sent from these organisations are sent out to other members however when they are received by other organisations on the private network they are rejected because they have not been delivered internally on the private network. I don't understand. Either the Mailman server is on the private network or not. If other servers on the network are looking at where mail originates in order to determine whether or not to accept the mail, I would expect them to be looking at the IP address of the sending server or possibly things like the domain of the envelope sender or Received: headers in the message. The last thing I would expect them to look at is the From: header of the message. And, even if they are looking at From:, you seem to say that the original sender whose address is in From: is also on the private network. The way I understood it was that the systems that are interconnected via the private network expect all traffic that comes from Email addresses hosted on the private network to come *via* the private network and not from outside. This interpretation is based on the assumption that Mailman is *not* on the private network. Sounds like they should just whitelist the Mailman server's IP address IMHO. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Filtering by text
Hi, I help moderate a few lists where certain topics are not permitted. I thought it would be possible to flag a message for moderation based on text found in the body of the message, but I can't immediately see how one might do this. Presumably the administrivia scan uses a technique like this. Is it possible to do this in Mailman? Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Group mismatch ( YES I KNOW THIS IS A FAQ BUT..)
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Peter Sørensen wrote:
Hi,
I know this is a FAQ and yes I've tried to read all items and still I can't
find my way out so hope someone
Can shed some light to this.
Actualy, it's probably several.
Just summarizing what I am about to do. I have an old mailman installation I
need to port to a new server.
The old one is based on EXIM as MTA but I would like to use postfix, because
this is the one I use on a lot of servers.
I need to make mailman virtual. I have around 20 mail domains to handle.
So I install a Ubuntu 10.04LTS 64 bit and get the packages for postfix apache2
and mailman and install
No problem.
When trying to make the virtual postfix/mailman integration, I ran across a
post recommending to use mailman 2.1.14
Ok - I removed the mailman package from Ubuntu , actually 2.1.13 - downloaded
the 2.1.14 source
Ran configure, make and make install all seems OK.
It's because of the very sort of permission problems you hit that I don't
generally do this. Unless you really need to run Mailman 2.1.14, 2.1.13
should be plenty fine enough. One server I help administer still runs
Debian Lenny with Mailman 2.1.11 and again works fine for me.
However, I did have to hand-compile Mailman on a Ubuntu system for work (I
no longer have access to this box) because I needed to have multiple
installs for separate domains. I made some notes. See below.
I have added following to mm_cfg.py
##
MTA = Postfix
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [ 'test.sdu.dk',
'some.other.domain',
..
add_virtualhost('test.sdu.dk','test.sdu.dk'
add_virtualhost('some.other.domain','some.other.domain')
called check_perms -f
called genaliases
and checked that i have the files :
my@mls2:/usr/local/mailman$ ll data/alia*
-rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 114222 2011-06-10 09:04 data/aliases
-rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 172032 2011-06-10 09:04 data/aliases.db
my@mls2:/usr/local/mailman$ ll data/virt*
-rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 86149 2011-06-10 09:04 data/virtual-mailman
-rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 176128 2011-06-10 09:04 data/virtual-mailman.db
Added to postfix main.cf:
transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
You don't need this, and in fact if I recall correctly, it's bad to have
this.
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
You don't have any other virtual alias domains?
mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1
I've never seen this one before.
AND in transport i have entries like:
test.sdu.dk mailman:
some.other.domain mailman:
You're mixing up methods here.
You can set up Mailman+Postfix in one of two ways, using virtual alias
domains or using a Mailman-specific domain (e.g. lists.example.com) and
using a transport. You seem to have employed both here which is not
necessary, and by definition only one will ever work.
I've never used the transport option and consider it unnecessary, but it
may be simpler for someone who is using a subdomain specifically for lists
and no other Email.
Not sure which documentation you're using, but I recommend the official
installation guide, specifically the section on Postfix. It's a little
confusing but Email administration is a confusing business.
http://list.org/./mailman-install/node12.html
Then when trying to send a mail to a new list I get the following in mail.log
Jun 10 08:44:22 mls2 Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail#012wrapper script
to be executed as group mailman, but#012the system's mail server executed the mail script
as#012group nogroup. Try tweaking the mail server to run the#012script as group
mailman, or re-run configure, #012providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.
Jun 10 08:44:22 mls2 postfix/local[28200]: 3E460FFDF2: to=mailman-boun...@mls2.sdu.dk, relay=local, delay=0.03,
delays=0.01/0/0/0.02, dsn=5.3.0, status=bounced (Command died with status 2: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces
mailman. Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group
mailman, but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group nogroup. Try tweaking the
mail server to run the script as group mailman, or re-run configure, providing the command line option
`--with-mail-gid=nogroup'. )
OK I go to the mailman source and recompile as suggested and get
Jun 10 07:28:29 mls2 Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail#012wrapper script
to be executed as group nogroup, but#012the system's mail server executed the mail script
as#012group mailman. Try tweaking the mail server to run the#012script as group
nogroup, or re-run configure,
Re: [Mailman-Users] reboot servers
On Tue, 31 May 2011, Khalil Abbas wrote: I have several vps servers with very limited resources running several large mailman lists, n these servers keep stopping from responding n sometimes mailq shows several errors like: too many open files in the system and not enough resourses ... etc. How limited are these servers? How big are these lists? Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] PHP front-end for Mailman?
On Wed, 1 Jun 2011, William Ashworth wrote: A client of mine is looking to integrate more tightly to their Mailman list. There's an archive page, but we're trying to format it nicely for inclusion on their website so that it matches for members to see. I can see two possibilities right now... 1. We write a custom PHP application to scrape and store the archive pages into a database to call later, however we want. 2. We create an email address and subscribe it to the list. Any new messages will be checked via a PHP script we build and stored in the database, then we'll pull from our own archive format however we choose. Assuming you have access to the Mailman installation, you can avoid both of these somewhat cludgy steps and access the master archive directly. Each mailing list keeps its archive as a big mbox-formatted file, which you could presumably parse. I also recall the ability to handle custom archiving (i.e. you can get the system to archive messages in a way more useful to you). Mark will probably have more to say about this possibility if it exists, assuming there's nothing in the FAQ already about this. You may wish to get the old messages out of the mbox master and then use some kind of custom archive handler to handle new messages. Mailman3 (still in development/alpha state) will probably make all this a lot easier. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Real Names on Roster
On Mon, 23 May 2011, Brian Carpenter wrote: What change do I need to make to mailman's configuration to allow real names to show up on any lists' roster? I did some searching around and did not find an answer. I did read one post that stated that some sort of configuration setup that allows for this would be implemented in 2.2. IIRC, this shows up for me, but only if the person subscribed via Email which of course sends the name along with the Email address in the From line. Whether or not it will also allow you to add real names if you add users as Firstname Lastname addr...@example.com in the various add member screens, I don't know. All this is to say that the names will show up in the Member Name column if Mailman knows it. What version of Mailman are you using? Or are you asking about something like list_members? I'm assuming you mean the member list in the web interface. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Postfix Mailman not playing well together
On Mon, 23 May 2011, Mark Sapiro wrote: I think Geoff Shang's reply (at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2011-May/071602.html - only one of the problems of posting as a non-subscriber) was on target. Sorry, I didn't realise this list accepted non-member posts. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Postfix Mailman not playing well together
On Fri, 20 May 2011, Michael Soh wrote: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/ mailman post somelist@mikesoh.com (expanded from somel...@lists.mikesoh.com epicf...@lists.mikesoh.com): User unknown in virtual alias table I'm not a Postfix expert, but the following entry in your configuration file is problematic: virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases, mysql:/etc/postfix/virtual/aliases.cf I can't comment on your database setup, but your Mailman aliases should not be here, they should be in alias_maps. And in fact they are also. So I'm sure this doesn't help your situation. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] From address
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011, Website Administrator wrote: Can you please advice why the email is going through like this? Is there anyway to change this? From: hq_test-boun...@dummy.com [mailto:hq_test-boun...@dummy.com] On Behalf Of Amyn Gilani It's actually going through just fine, it's the Email client which is displaying it wrong. The From address will be that of the poster. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] regarding specific mail ids
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011, Arun Gupta wrote: I do not make 2 lists according to your suggestion, and also i do not want configure with regexp matches on the Subject: or Keywords, means i am concentrating on the poster based. You cannot do what you want to do without making two lists. You can still set it up so that everyone posts to the same address, but you'll still need two lists. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Copying rejection reason and email to multiple moderators?
On Fri, 4 Mar 2011, Paul Key wrote: I have a list with more than one moderator. When one moderator rejects a post to the moderated list I would like a copy of the rejected email and the reason for rejection sent to the other moderators. Wow, funny that. I was going to post requesting this feature. I would invisage this being a checkbox on the administrative requests page. Guess I'll add this to my little wishlist. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman intergaration with zimbra
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Bozra wrote: Dear All, Thanks for your reply it helped me a lot. Sorry to bother you Iam getting when I ''bin/newlist -emailhost=virtual-domain1.com -urlhost=your zimbra host listname admin-email-address admin-password'' I get -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `' Is there anything wrong in my syntax? uh... You do know that and signs are used to describe example text, yes? You should replace it with the actual value expected. for example, admin-email-address (given above) should be replaced with the actual admin address you intend to own the list. There should not be any or signs in a newlist command. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] how do I display/print a full list of list entrants..?
On Tue, 21 Dec 2010, PatsCat wrote: As title asks, how, via the GUI, do I see all the people contained in a particular list? Its got to be done. Surely. Cut'n'Pasting from each page 26 times (A-Z) ain't no fun.. Go to the general options screen and set admin_member_chunksize to a number larger than the number of list members. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing root from receiving bounces
On Tue, 21 Dec 2010, Rohler, Brian L wrote: My current setup is that we have a list of admins who administer our mailing lists. The problem I am having is there is also a list of users who receive email from a support@ address. The list of support@ users are getting tired of receiving EVERY bounced message that comes in. I don't mind the mailman list administrators receiving the bounces but I don't want my support@ users getting these bounce messages. How do I turn this off? The support address must be listed as either a list owner or a list moderator (see general settings). Remove that address from whichever field it appears in and it should stop, unless some other process is relaying mail to some other address on to the support address. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Roger D. Leonard wrote: I'm missing something here. How do I get it to accept all emails from non-members without list owner intervention? Apart from what people have already told you, if you want to make a list accept *all* non-member postings, you'll also need to set the max number of recipients to 0 (unlimited) in Privacy/Recipient Filters, and also set the max message size to 0 (unlimited) in General settings. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam emails
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Schwartz, Robert - IS wrote: Recently I've started receiving spam messages submitted to by mailing list. How can I reject all email not submitted by members without having to add them to a list? Set the generic non-member action to discard. It's in privacy/sender filters. All non-members who aren't in any of the other non-member lists on that page will have their posts discarded. You can also set it to reject, but this will cause a rejection note to be sent, and if this mail is in fact spam it will probably cause backscatter, so use discard unless it's actual people doing the posting. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] unknown user: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post myl...@mydomain.com
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: Note that Mailman/Postfix integration as described in the above referenced manual pages is for virtual alias domains and not virtual mailbox domains. You can make this work for list domains that are virtual mailbox domains if necessary. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/ZoCj. To clear this one up once and for all: It's perfectly possible to use virtual_alias_maps in virtual_mailbox_domains and there's no need to resort to messing with postfix transports. See the commented example at http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html#virtual_mailbox I use this setup all the time and it just works. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman configuration issues?
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010, cmallon wrote: This may seem like a dumb question but I've been seeing a lot of this in my mail.logs All the messages are being delivered and there are no bad recipients in the list. Could there be a misconfiguration somewhere? I'd like to write a script that extracts information from the keyword bounces, but don't want to get data from legitimate emails. Oct 15 10:53:20 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 1984F691A316: from=my-list-boun...@mail.mydomain.com, size=3824, nrcpt=6 (queue active) This is normal. List messages are sent out as listname-bounces so that if one does indeed bounce, it gets sent back to an address that can do something about it. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman ...
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: I think the problem is students.wesleyseminary.edu is a virtual_mailbox_domain whereas it needs to be a virtual_alias_domain. Maybe I'm missing something, but I've never had trouble using virtual mailbox domains to host Mailman lists. In fact, I'm not sure that I've ever done anything else. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Someone to install Mailman?
- Original Message - From: Толкунов Григорий tolo8...@yandex.ru - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - |/usr/local/mailmam/mail/mailman post test (reason: 127) Presumably this should be /usr/local/mailman, not /usr/local/mailmam. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Recipient address rejected: User unknown invirtualmailbox table
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010, franc walter wrote: 1. If i want to create a list, there is another mystery, the List creator's password, which i never had given. If i look into the doc in: http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node45.html they send me to (7): http://www.list.org/mailman-install/customizing.html#customizing where there is no mention at all about this. So i had to set it myself with mmsitepass. You're right. They should have sent you to section 12 - http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node44.html You'd have already read this if you'd read the manual in sequence. 3. When i create the new list i get: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. But with list_lists i can see that the list was created (without notification mail). Is this true? A bug in Mailman? Not in this case. In the error log of mailman i find: Jul 10 12:07:37 2010 (5257) command failed: /usr/sbin/postmap /var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Looks like a permissions problem. But the rights of virtual-mailman seem ok: ls -l /var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman -rw-rw 1 www-data list 1,6K 2010-07-10 12:07 virtual-mailman What about the permissions on /var/lib/mailman/data ? Postmap may not be able to write the output file. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Recipient address rejected: User unknown invirtualmailbox table
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010, franc walter wrote:
OK, again, if I have 3 virtual domains on it:
example1.org
example2.org
example3.org
and i want to have for each domain a separate list:
list1 on example1.org
list2 on example2.org
list3 on example3.org
The emailhost of each of those lists should be like
lists.example1.org
lists.example2.org
lists.example3.org
Do you want the Email addresses for your lists to be
listname@lists.example1.org, listname@lists.example2.org, etc? This
is what I think you're saying.
So is this the right setting:
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['example1.org', 'example2.org',
'example3.org']
If what I've written above is indeed what you want, then the
postfix_style_virtual_domains will need to include the list. part, as
these are the Email host part of the adress.
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('example1.org', 'lists.example1.org')
add_virtualhost('example2.org', 'lists.example2.org')
add_virtualhost('example3.org', 'lists.example3.org')
This sets the Email address to be listname@lists.example1.org (etc) and
the web URL to be http://example1.org/... Again, is this what you want?
In Postfix i put:
relay_domains = lists.example1.org,lists.example2.org,lists.example3.org
You won't want this. Relay_domains, as I understand them, are domains for
which you *relay* mail, not domains you actually host on this host.
mydestination = lists.example1.org, lists.example2.org, lists.example3.org,
example1.org, example2.org, example3.org, localhost
Again, you probably don't want your domains in mydestination if they're
virtual.
I wonder if i want to add a new virtual domain, now i have to change a lot
in mm_cfg.py (mailman) and also in main.cf (postfix).
All I have to do when adding a domain is add it to our database via
postfixadmin, then edit mm_cfg.py and add a call to add_virtualhost() and
also add it to POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS. Pretty simple.
newlist --urlhost=example4.org --emailhost=lists.example4.org list4
If you have the add_virtual_host items in mm_cfg.py, you should be able to
just do:
newlist li...@lists.example4.org
though I admit to usually using --urlhost and --emailhost anyway just to
be sure.
HTH,
Geoff.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Recipient address rejected: User unknowninvirtualmailbox table
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: newlist li...@lists.example4.org The above is not correct. In this deprecated newlist usage, the domain to the right of the '@' is the url host, not the email host so the equivalent to Franc's command is newlist li...@example4.org huh! Well how's that for counter-intuitive. Still, that's what I get for not checking. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtualmailbox table
On Fri, 9 Jul 2010, franc walter wrote: Oh yes, this is not clear to me. I don't understand where the file: /var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman should come from. Have i to build it? This is built by the /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases script, providing you have Mailman configured correctly. I changed my postfix-main.cf from: virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-alias-maps.cf,mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-email2email.cf to: virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-alias-maps.cf,mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-email2email.cf,hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman This looks right to me. And i put into my mm_cfg.py this (i restartet mailman and postfix after): POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['example.org', 'example2.org'] This also looks right. Try running genaliases. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Recipient address rejected: User unknown invirtualmailbox table
On Fri, 9 Jul 2010, franc walter wrote: % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases* % chmod g+w data/aliases* Ubuntu uses list and not mailman. I hope this is not a problem. You will need to chown these files as list.list or at least root.list. I thought if the packager (Ubuntu in my case) make such a package available, i just have to install it and all is well, but it is not like this. This is why I recommended reading the entire manual, skiping only the sections which are obviously irrelevant. For example, the manual will tell you about check_perms. This script is very useful, and good to run at various points during your setup to make sure that everyone is happy. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtualmailbox table
On Fri, 9 Jul 2010, franc walter wrote: But now i have the problem, that i want to create another list with another virtual domain (example2.org), which is running on the same server. I guess this is only possible with this setting to get this virtual-mailman.db, but i don't know how to continue.. Can you post your mm_cfg.py file as it is now? Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Allow anyone to post to a mailing list
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Wang, Mary Y wrote: The reason it is being held: Message has implicit destination Am I missing something here? This is being caused by the item I mentioned in recipient filters which tells Mailman to reject messages that don't include the list address in the To or Cc field. The option is called require_explicit_destination and should be set to No. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtualmailbox table
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: You don't create users or mailboxes for Mailman's list addresses. This is handled by alias_maps, virtual_alias_domains, and virtual_alias_maps in Postfix, or, since this is Debian/Ubuntu, possibly by postfix_to_mailman.py. Having set up Mailman on 3 separate systems, 2 Debian and 1 Ubuntu, I can personally recommend not using postfix2mailman. I understand it's not recommended, and there really seems to be no reason to use it. The alias maps way seems a lot easier to understand in my opinion. I just followed the installation manual and did just fine. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtualmailbox table
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, franc walter wrote: I am very confused now. Could you indicate me the doc where you followed the installation? The installation guide can be found at http://list.org/site.html The specific sections on Postfix can be found at http://list.org/mailman-install/node12.html However I recommend reading through the whole thing because it's very easy to skip out important things in a package-based system like Debian/Ubuntu where things are done for you. A couple of things to note: 1. The Mailman user under Debian/Ubuntu is list. 2. The alias and virtual-mailman files will be in /var/lib/mailman/data IMHO, the section concerning virtual domains is more confusing than it needs to be, so feel free to ask if you get confused. Geoff. Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/geoff%40quitelikely.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Allow anyone to post to a mailing list
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Wang, Mary Y wrote: I'd like to have it setup so that anyone can post to my mailing list (he/she does not need to be subscriber). How do I do that? The first thing you need to do is set the default non-member action to accept. (see Privacty Settings/Sender Filters) If you truly want to let everything through, you will also want to set the maximum message size (in General options) to 0 (i.e. unlimited), and not require the list name to be in the To or Cc field of the message (see privacty/recipient filters). you may also want to set the max number of recipients to something high. These are the sorts of things I did when I set up an a mailing list to act like an Email address for general enquiries. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] admin address have to be a member?
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Adam Parker, OD wrote: does the admin address have to be a member? No. will the emails get moderated if it's not in the membership list? If you mean Will a list admin be moderated when posting to the list if they are not a member of that list, then this will depend on how non-member postings are configured. A person who is not a member of the list is treated as a non-member, regardless of whether or not they are a list owner or moderator. You can set the list to allow posts from list administrators without them being members by adding them to the list of addresses whose messages will be automatically accepted. See Privacy/Sender Filters. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Mailman configuration
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Keith Blackie wrote: I have a mailing list that I need to setup. This mailing list will comprise of several hundred addresses that will be subscribed by using the mass subscription function. I need the following in place: 1) Only admins, moderators and list owner may post to mailing list - all other posts are deleted Short answer: Make all new members moderated by default and set member moderation action to either reject or discard (both of these are in PrivacySender filters). Then unmoderate those who are allowed to post. Long answer: There is an FAQ on one-way lists. http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030685 2) Sender is anonymous Anonymous_list in General options. 3) Recipients may reply to the email and it will be sent to the admin and/or moderator and list owner In General Options, set it to strip any reply-to addresses, then set the reply-to to a specific address and set the address to reply to. I suggest listname-ow...@example.com (obviously substitute listname ane example.com as appropriate). 4) No subscription notification or unsub notification should be sent This is also in General Options - admin_notify_mchanges 5) Unsubscribe recipient immediately if email address fails and notify admin and/or moderator and list owner I assume you mean if the address bounces during normal list use. This would probably require changes to Mailman's bounce processing. You could set the bounce threshold very low and it will suspend delivery with a notificatio, but it won't unsubscribe them immediately. 6) Users may not subscribe I think this can be done but not sure exactly how. Maybe by banning everyone? I vaguely recall a simpler way but it's not coming to me. 7) Users may unsubscribe themselves This is normal. This is on a server for which I have only the administrative access to my mailing lists. I hope I can get this in place and working properly, or at least something close. The above should be possible without access to the shell. If you want to hack the bounce processing then this will require shell access and will of course affect all lists. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman bug or browser behaviour?
Hi, Reserecting an old thread. On Sat, 6 Mar 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: Geoff Shang wrote: I've noticed that if I go to pending Moderator requests and approve a message from a particular user, if I leave the resulting page open which says Click here to reload this page and another message from that user comes through which requires approval, if I click to reload the page, the message is automatically approved and I'm told there are no pending requests. I think it is a bug, but I don't think the scenario is exactly as you describe. I think the second message from the same user arrives after you go to the pending requests page but before you submit the approval. No. I've confirmed this twice int he last week, once just now. I'd read the Email copies of the new messages before I refreshed the page, so they definitely came in before. The underlying problem is that the data posted from the summary page says apply the selected action to all messages from this user rather than apply the selected action to all messages from this user that were displayed on the page. hmmm, doesn't explain why this should be the case if I hit the Click here to reload this page link. Shouldn't that just refresh the list of pending tasks without processing anything? Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Block reply to all
Hi, Frankly, I think the best approach would be just to moderate the list. If people realise that follow-ups aren't going to get posted, they'll stop sending them. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving lists
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: The steps I sent the other day are OK as is, but some uncertainty is removed. Just to report that, so far as I can tell, everything went as expected. There was no reference to the domain in the config.pck file, so I could just run the withlist command as given. No commands generated any errors or warnings that I could see, and all seems to work just fine (at least on the web interface). Thanks so much for your help with this. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving lists
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: Basically cPanel Mailman is Mailman. In particular, config.pck files are the same (there are no additional list attributes) and the file structure within the /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman PREFIX directory seems completely unchanged. So does this mean any changes to the instructions you send the other day? Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving lists
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: It's actually not as bad as it looks. Mark wrote an assembler language level description of where to get the data you'll need, and what to do with it. Oh I'm not particularly daunted by it, especially after rereading it a couple of times. But it's probably daunting for the owner of the small-time hosting company involved. Anyway, the customer has put me in direct contact with him so I'll see what we can get done. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Moving lists
Hello, I'm aware of the FAQ entry on this topic.. Hopefully what I'm about to ask isn't really covered there, I don't think it is. I have someone moving their lists off our server which runs regular Mailman to a server running Mailman under CPanel. Since it's a Mailman variant, I'm a bit reluctant to just copy stuff en mass over there, not that I'd be installing it anyway. On the other hand, the list has 679 members, 37 of whom are on digest and 46 of whom have delivery disabled (10 by bounce). Also, the configuration is a bit complicated. So I'm not exactly sure how or if I can do anything to aid migration of the list, particularly since there's no way from the web to subscribe a batch of people to digest or to nomail. Any thoughts? This needs to happen in a few days and I need to start telling peple how I'm going to manage this. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving lists
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: I will assume the people on the cPanel side have shell access to the server. If not, there's not much that can be done. Wow, that's quite a daunting list of things to do. I'm not sure the admin at the hosting provider will be game to try this, but I will ask. The amount of work it will save *if* it works will be considerable, particularly given that there are also some members on moderation and some not (which I forgot to mention in my previous message). Thanks for this. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman chewing up resources
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: There is an issue that affects memory usage in the qrunners. They keep a cache of list objects in memory to reduce disk IO. The cache is supposed to free the space used by a list object when there are no more references to that object, but it turns out there is a self-reference in the list objects, so the cache simply grows until it holds a copy of each list. There are other issues in that large messages can cause the runners that handle it to grow, and Python's memory management is such that Python itself never gives freed memory back to the OS. Memory can be freed within Python and it will be available for reuse within that process, but it is not given back to the OS. I recommend disabling the list cache within the qrunners. This was done for the now defunct 2.2 branch, but has not been done on the 2.1 branch. The attached Runner.patch.txt file contains a patch to do this. I suggest you try the patch and see if that helps. Thanks for this. I patched Mailman/Queue/Runner.py and the patch applied cleanly. I even checked that the patch had applied. I stopped and restarted Mailman. But Runner.pyc wasn't updated. I deleted Runner.pyc in order to make sure that the old one wasn't being used, but 17 hours on, Runner.pyc hasn't been recreated. The system seems to be running fine from what I've seen, but I'm curious to know if the file I'm patched is in fact being used at all. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman chewing up resources
Hello, We run a VPS running Debian with Mailman 2.1.11 and Postfix. Python is 2.5.2. Up until a couple of weeks ago, we were running a number of quite small mailing lists (max 200 members) with no problems. But then we imported the subscriber list of a list that we'd moved from Yahoogroups that contained 800+ members, and that's when the trouble started. This list not only has 800 or so members, but it's a fairly active list. We also have quite a number of deferred messages from Yahoo in the queue, but that's a different story. We've just implemented DKIM, hopefully that will help sort that one out. The problem we're seeing is that if the list gets any way busy, the memory usage of the python process that runs Mailman skyrockets, dragging the system to a crawl. We're a little clueless as to how to debug this further, so any help would be appreciated. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman bug or browser behaviour?
Hi, I've noticed an odd thing but am not sure if it's Mailman (2.1.11) or my browser (Lynx 2.8.7dev.9) which is at fault. I've noticed that if I go to pending Moderator requests and approve a message from a particular user, if I leave the resulting page open which says Click here to reload this page and another message from that user comes through which requires approval, if I click to reload the page, the message is automatically approved and I'm told there are no pending requests. I wondered if perhaps someone else was clearing the queue at the same time, but I've seen this several times now so I'm confident that it's either Mailman or my browser that's to blame here. Cheers, Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Disabling list archiving
Hi, We've got an archive taking up a fair amount of space, but much of the traffic on that list is transient and doesn't need to be archived. So we've decided to stop archiving it and to remove existing archives. Apart from turning off archiving in the list configuration and removing the public and private archive directories, is there anything else I need to do? Cheers, Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] what's going on ???
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Khalil Abbas wrote: I've been getting hundreds of complaints from people that they're not getting any mail from the lists.. I checked the lists and found that LIST1 has only 574 members!! while the other list (LIST2) has not changed.. My guess is that one or more mail providers are bouncing your messages. If you've got access to your mail server logs you can check them. If you don't, you can set Mailman to send you a copy of any bounce messages, though be careful as if 97.5% of your list is being bounced off then your inbox might get swamped. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] one-click subscription
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, David Newman wrote: For a read-only announcement list, I'm looking for a way to set up one-click subscription where a user enters an email in a form on a web page and gets subscribed right away, with no confirmation needed. Note that you're going to open yorself up to the problem of people being gratuitously subscribed to your list. That's why we have double opt-in. There's a disturbing trend these days of people reporting mailing lists as spam to their providers instead of unsubscribing. This can get you blacklisted. It happens enough with lists that people actually voluntarily subscribed to, it's going to be a lot worse if you get people being randomly subscribed without their consent. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Spam filtering
Hello, I have two spam-related questions, one relevant to Mailman and one not. Apologies for the one that isn't, but I hope you will endulge this query. A person has been spoofing Email addresses on a number of blindness-related Email lists this week. I won't go into the particulars as it's probably of little interest to this list. They're also using some quite sophisticated techniques to hide their identity and point of origin, and this is definitely outside the scope of this list. My questions here are more focused at helpping list/site admins to block such mail. 1. It's possible to use an IP address to block(at least temporarily) these messages. If I put this IP address into a Mailman spam filter, will this be checked *before* checking whether or not the person is a member of the list? I want to know if list admins can block these without bugging their site admins to do it upstream. 2. One idea I came up with for rejecting spoofed mail is for the receiving SMTP server to somehow check if the sending one is an MX for the domain given in the From header. Are there any obvious problems with this approach? Is anyone actually doing this? It seems so simple that there surely must be some reason why it's not done. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving a list from one domain to another
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: Geoff Shang wrote: I need to move a list from one domain to another. ... Thanks for this Mark, it's exactly what I needed and went off without a hitch. I also put the old list address in as an acceptable alias and put a forward into Postfix' virtual table and now both addresses work fine. Thanks again, Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Moving a list from one domain to another
Hello, I realise this is probably a FAQ, but I couldn't find anything specificly about this in the FAQ. I need to move a list from one domain to another. The domains are both hosted on the same machine so there's no need to *physically* move anything. I figure I don't need to worry about the multiple domain restrictions, as I don't expect there to be name clashes (I admin all the lists and the server). I figure I have to change the host in the list configuration, and also add the new domain to mm_cfg.py. Apart from running bin/fix_url.py, do I need to do anything else? Can I run gen_aliases to fix the aliases (using Postfix) or is it better to change them by hand? Cheers, Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Bug: couldn't subscribe to dev list by simply replying
Hi, Figured this would be the best place to report this. I just tried again to subscribe to the developers list and discovered that you couldn't confirm your subscription just by replying. The message text implies that the confirmation key should be in the subject, but the confirmation key was in the From address of the confirmation message (see below). Replying simply send me a message telling me that the subject line was being ignored. It seems the confirm code was also ignored. Not sure how it's meant to work but it's the first time I've had to resort to clicking on the URL. Oh and I notice that this is Mailman 2.1.12. :) Geoff. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:04:18 +0100 From: mailman-developers-confirm+519716b18b6d4ddef39fd87d0e5abdf8c5ced...@python.o rg To: ge...@quitelikely.com Subject: Your confirmation is required to join the Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailing list subscription confirmation notice for mailing list Mailman-Developers We have received a request from ge...@quitelikely.com for subscription of your email address, ge...@quitelikely.com, to the mailman-develop...@python.org mailing list. To confirm that you want to be added to this mailing list, simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact. Or visit this web page: http://mail.python.org/mailman/confirm/mailman-developers/519716b18b6d4ddef39fd87d0e5abdf8c5ced755 Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to mailman-developers-requ...@python.org: confirm 519716b18b6d4ddef39fd87d0e5abdf8c5ced755 Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the right form (additional Re: text in the Subject: is okay). If you do not wish to be subscribed to this list, please simply disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously subscribed to the list, or have any other questions, send them to mailman-developers-ow...@python.org. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug: couldn't subscribe to dev list by simplyreplying
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: There are two ways this works in general. If the site's VERP_CONFIRMATIONS setting is No (the default) the confirmation is From: listname-requ...@... with Subject: confirm token, and the reply is to the listname-requ...@... address with the confirm command possibly preceded by Re: in the Subject:. This works. This is what I've seen in the past. If the site's VERP_CONFIRMATIONS setting is Yes as it is at python.org, the confirmation is From: listname-confirm+token@... with Subject: Your confirmation is required to join the listname mailing list, and the reply is to listname-confirm+token@... and this should work too. But it didn't. I don't remember having problems signing up to this list, but that was 4 months ago so I don't really remember. At any rate, the confirmation message text is incorrect for this configuration. If you received a reply that your message Subject was ignored, either Actually, to be precise, it said that it was unprocessed. the To: address didn't match VERP_CONFIRM_REGEXP or the reply wasn't sent to the -confirm address, or the site's MTA doesn't correctly deliver mail addressed to listname-confirm+token@... . I don't think it's the third alternative in this case. Well I still have the message I sent: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:30:24 +0200 (IST) From: Geoff Shang ge...@quitelikely.com To: mailman-developers-confirm+519716b18b6d4ddef39fd87d0e5abdf8c5ced...@python. org Subject: Re: Your confirmation is required to join the Mailman-Developers mailing list If the above doesn't explain what went wrong, post the message you received in reply to your reply. Sorry, I don't still have it. But I guess I could generate one. At any rate, it's not a good advertisment. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: [#ZPK-731315]: Mailing list constantly rejecting a member email - please assist
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010, John Grivas (wotsnext) wrote: I had email lists under a sub-domain, but decided to move the subdomain to its own webhosting. Part of that migration included moving some email lists across. The problem I have that any list that email are being rejected for list that now exists under the new hosting service but that existed under the old subdomain. Any new list name created is fine. What happens when you try to post? If you are sent a bounce message, what does it say? Are there errors in Mailman's log files, and if so, what are they? Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: [#ZPK-731315]: Mailing list constantly rejecting a member email - please assist
Hi, Putting this back on the list. On Wed, 27 Jan 2010, John Grivas (wotsnext) wrote: Hi Geoff The following is the error message received: This email has been automatically rejected because you are not a member of the redfurina-ow...@shnc.org.au mailing list. This looks very odd to me, though others may see some logical reason why the -owner bit is at the end of the list name. If you would like to post a message to this mailing list, please forward your original email to t...@shnc.org.au From: John Grivas (wotsnext) j...@wotsnext.com.au Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:47:20 +1100 To: redfur...@shnc.org.au Subject: Testting 27.1 But I have since 'deleted' the list redfur...@shnc.org.au and when I send the email, I still get a bounce. So it must be hitting an old configuration of the list. Maybe a stupid question. Did you say you've got two hosts involved in your domain? If so, which one is handling the mail? If it's the one that used to have the lists, did you properly clean out the lists from where they used to be? Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question on setting up mailman
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010, james Tanit wrote: Now, I run the apache webserver under username say, tatac, which is also the group name. I have suexec configured for apache. Why the following configuration doesn't work? Can you give us the eror message that you get? Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote: I would like to know how to access the archive file so that I can delete it by FTP. I cannot however find it ! Maybe my web hoster has somehow made the directory invisible ? Mailman files are usually put somewhere other than in your hosting area. This is because there's probably one installation of Mailman for all users. And even though the URL is YourDomain/mailman... the /mailman part of the URL is probably being mapped to files elsewhere on your provider's host. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote: I would like to know how to access the archive file so that I can delete it by FTP. I cannot however find it ! Maybe my web hoster has somehow made the directory invisible ? Sorry. I missed the above query. This is covered in the cPanel FAQ http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9. Mailman's files are in /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/ Archives in particular are in /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/archives/private/ If your FTP session is not chrooted to your own home directory or some other limitation, you chould be able to find them. But presumably not delete them. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(
On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote: I don't know if CPanel have futzed with that, never having used their bastardization. Well, not everyone is a unix expert. I need to use CPanel. The point is that CPanel include their own version of Mailman with changes that they've not released back to the community, and therefore only other CPanel users can really comment authoritatively on CPanel Mailman installations as regular users don't know what CPanel have changed. I have list membership set at Require approval but once someone has become a subscriber I want their emails to go to the list without my getting an email that says... As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: From:xx Subject: xxx Reason: Posting to a moderated newsgroup At your convenience, visit:. Does anyone here know how to let subscribers post without getting that notice please ? Using CPanel. Maybe it's the same way as in the regular version (i.e. Privacy Options/Sender Filters/Default Member Moderation. I am beginning to think that my setting the list to moderated means that even subscribers are moderated. That isn't what I wanted. Correct, that's what it means. If I set the list to un-moderated then will non members be able to post ? No. This is influenced by the Default Non-member Action item on the same page (Privacy/Sender Filters). If non members will NOT be able to post then where on CPanel can I change things to un-moderated please ? I'd check the above first. The other place it could be is if you've activated Emergency List Moderation which I think is on the General Options page. HTH, Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman forum ?
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote: They say... 1. Install the component via standard install procedures. What are standard install procedures ? For windows users that is simply double clicking an .exe file. What does that mean when translated to unix ? If it is as simple as FTPing files then why not say so ? Then tell people where they need to go. I expect that in this case, standard install procedures means standard install procedures for Joomla. Depending on how they handle this sort of thing, it may or may not require shell access. I'm guessing not, as some hosted sites wouldn't provide such access, but I don't know for sure. They then say Point your admin browser to Components... What's an admin browser ? Is that any different than a web browser ? Or are they talking about a telnet connection ? I'm guessing they're saying Log in as admin and go to Components. It is interesting how that site talks about an email to web forum bridge but they discuss it in a mailing list only. If the bridge works then I appear to have missed where the testy web forum address is. Presumably the forum is the same as the mailing list. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting up redundant mailing lists in OS XSnowLeopard.
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, JRC Groups wrote: This is indeed the case. All subscribers will either belong to one list or the other. Never both. One of the issues I noticed when reading the post has to do with replies from subscribers. Considering subscribers are either receiving mail from Sublist1 or Sublist2 but post are mailed to UmbrellaList1 what happens when a subscriber replies to a post ? Since he received it from (let's say) Sublist1 wouldn't the reply be sent back to the same list ? How can this be resolved in setting up this system ? Set each sublist to reply to a specific address and fill in your posting address there. This is in the General settings. Cheers, Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Meta: bringing along the newcomers
Hi, Excuse the top-posting. :) When I first had to look at the FAQs and subscribe to this list to get some problems sorted, there were two FAQs. There may will still be. It appeared to me that the much shorter one was by far the more visible, and I only found the main WIKI-based FAQ when I went to look in the WIKI, which seemed to me an obvious thing to do but might not to people less familiar with open source projects and their methodologies. I think that two things would cut down on the see the FAQ type questions: 1. Get rid of the non-WIKI FAQ, merging any content that's not already in the WIKI, then point everyone there. The WIKI FAQ is an excellent resource, and I'm sure many people would find the answers to their questions if they knew to look there. 2. In the places where this list is mentioned, make it clear that this list, which is given as the main support address for Mailman, is a mailing list, that it's a moderated list so posts may take a day or two to be sent, and that we cannot reset your password for you or other types of things that specific hosting providers need to do. A comment about the various forks of Mailman which can't really be supported might also be a good idea. Just my 2c as a person who's come on board here in the past couple of months. Geoff. - Original Message - From: Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org To: fmo...@fmp.com Cc: mailman-users@python.org Sent: Friday, 18 December, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Meta: bringing along the newcomers Lindsay Haisley writes: Stephen, with all due respect for the work you put into your post, I think it goes a bit overboard in the other direction. If I can pose a question in 6 or 7 lines of text, do I really need to read a couple of hundred lines of instruction? It's under 100 lines, of which almost half were cut-and-pasted from the existing FAQ 1.22. - or dig through a FAQ and write a critique of it - just to get a simple answer? Yup, that's exactly the stuff I cut and pasted. Anyway, you're entirely missing the point. I don't expect anybody to read FAQ 1.22 in advance of comitting a faux pas; this particular FAQ is mostly for pointing to *afterward*. I recently posted a question to this list in about 7 lines inquiring as to what file is the source document in a Mailman Pipermail archive. I asked on the list precisely _because_ I didn't want to spend the time searching through FAQs and other documentation for a simple answer to a simple question. Er, that's precisely what FAQs and documentation in general are for, so I suggest you go read the current version of FAQ 1.22, then. It was written for people like you.wink More seriously, you've been around long enough (and have presumably actually perused the FAQ once or twice) to have a sense of what's *not* in there. You're obviously not the audience for FAQ 1.22, and the question you describe is not one of the ones that Mark should make a New Year's resolution to stop answering. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/geoff%40quitelikely.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4698 (20091218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4698 (20091218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Hello List
Hi, You're right in that I did forget the Approved: approach, as I didn't iknow about it until recently. Howver, thinking about it further, there's one thing I don't like about it. It's OK if the people posting are list admins or moderators, but if you have othwers who should be able to post to the list, you don't necessarily want to give them all the admin or moderator password. An additional password for this purpose would perhaps be called for here, one that's only used to allow posts through without granting any other access. Geoff. - Original Message - From: Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net To: Geoff Shang ge...@quitelikely.com; Mailman-Users@python.org Sent: Wednesday, 16 December, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Hello List Geoff Shang wrote: And of course unmoderate the list admin and anyone else you want to be able to post. This is not good advice. Everyone should be moderated and posters should use an Approved: password header to post. Otherwise, it's too easy for an unauthorized poster to spoof an authorized address. Spammers even do it accidently. You should also probably set the list to reject posts from moderated members, otherwise you'll need to manually process posts from anyone who tries to post. Yes. This is all covered in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/3YA9. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4699 (20091218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4699 (20091218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Searching across lists and making global changes
Hi, Sorry again for the top-post, not using my regular Email client. This is a temporary condition. First, your members can do this for themselves, and I for one encourage them to do this. They can simply change these in their options page for one of the lists and then choose to change it globally. Unfortunately, there appears to be some restriction that prevents a list admin from doing this. I vaguely recall that there is a work-around for this, but can't recall it right now. I'm sure someone will mention it if there is. Geoff. - Original Message - From: Brian Luria blu...@gmail.com To: mailman-users@python.org Sent: Wednesday, 16 December, 2009 11:36 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching across lists and making global changes Have multiple mailing lists under one domain Is there any way to search across all lists for a certain member and make a global change to their email or name? As an administrator, if a user changes their email, I often have to search each list for the member to locate them (1) and then change their info (2) Thank you. -- Brian J. Luria DVM, DACVIM Bluepearl Veterinary Partners Florida Veterinary Specialists Tampa: (813) 933-8944 Clearwater: (727) 572-0132 Brandon: (813) 571-3303 www.bluepearlvet.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/geoff%40quitelikely.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4697 (20091217) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4699 (20091218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Hello List
Hi, Yes I can clear their moderation flag, and in fact this is what I first suggested, but my message was in response to a message from Mark who was putting forward the position that this was a bad idea and that it's better to post using the Approved: header instead. Geoff. - Original Message - From: Lindsay Haisley fmo...@fmp.com To: mailman-users@python.org Sent: Friday, 18 December, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Hello List On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 18:17 +0200, Geoff Shang wrote: Howver, thinking about it further, there's one thing I don't like about it. It's OK if the people posting are list admins or moderators, but if you have othwers who should be able to post to the list, you don't necessarily want to give them all the admin or moderator password. An additional password for this purpose would perhaps be called for here, one that's only used to allow posts through without granting any other access. Is there some reason that you, as admin, can't just un-set their moderation flag? -- Lindsay Haisley |Fighting against human | PGP public key FMP Computer Services | creativity is like | available at 512-259-1190 | trying to eradicate |http://pubkeys.fmp.com http://www.fmp.com| dandelions | | (Pamela Jones) | -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/geoff%40quitelikely.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4699 (20091218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4699 (20091218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Hello List
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Barry Finkel wrote: I'm setting up a mailing list and I only want the list administrator to be able to post messages to the list, can this be set as some kind of default setting? Change the list configuration so that all subscribers are moderated. And then set each current subscriber to moderated via one click on the membership admin web page. And of course unmoderate the list admin and anyone else you want to be able to post. You should also probably set the list to reject posts from moderated members, otherwise you'll need to manually process posts from anyone who tries to post. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Member unable to post to list
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, TomSherlock wrote: With Mailman version 2.1.11.cp3 I received the following message for a message posted by a member of the list: Post by non-member to a members-only list Any ideas? Was their message sent from their subscribed address? This message usually means what it says. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] rejecting messages *to* non-members
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009, glen martin wrote: I've got some rude users who occasionally cc non-list members on their messages to a restricted list that is actually intended to be private (membership by invitation only). Then, as you might expect, when the non-member replies, that message is rejected or held for approval. This doesn't seem friendly. The root cause, though, is my users. I'd therefore like to train them :) by rejecting their posts that copy non-members. Just to make the point that rejecting such posts obviously wouldn't prevent them from reaching the off-list recipients that are being copied. But I assume you know this. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Access
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009, John Ditzel wrote: Please help me to access my admin. account I can't get in. You need to contact Supergreen Hosting about this, we can't help you with this. Also is there an info page for me to learn just how to use mailman? Try http://list.org/./admins.html Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with reply in the mailing list
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, berna...@outpost.be wrote: I have a question on how to manage a mailing list in order that all the members can only send a mail to the admin and not to everyone on the list. First, set the list up so that everyone is moderated by default, and so that the default moderation action is to reject, optionally customising the reason. Then you can take those who are allowed to post off moderation. If you want to make replies go to a specific address rather than to the person who sends a posting, you can set the list to reply to a specific address and put in the list admin as the address it should go to. Think that's all you need to do. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Quick question for a newbie
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: * Joe Ruffolo j...@mrkgroup.com: I want my list members to be able to respond back to the original poster. So when they hit reply the actually reply back to the person who posted the message. How do I do this? That's the default. Reply to Sender is the default, yes. However, the original poster is seeing their MUA wanting to reply to foo-bounces rather than the actual poster, which I would have thought would be an issue with the MUA concerned (unless I'm missing something). Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving my Mailman list
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, TG Platt - WW Publ wrote: 1. Can someone tell me if my hunch about not being able to move to a new server and back without access to the mailman command line utils is right? hmm. I had to do this recently, and as long as the hostname and Email domain is the same, I think you might be able to do this. But I wouldn't sware to it. At any rate, there's a FAQ entry about this in the FAQ on the Wiki. 4. Did I overlook something? Is there some way to set up mailman during my server rebuild so that multiple domains can be supported under a single instance of mailman WITHOUT forcing all lists to use the same hosting domain name? You can do this as long as you avoid having lists with the same name. So you can have f...@foo.com and b...@bar.com but not b...@foo.com *as well* as b...@bar.com. If you want to avoid name collisions, you pretty much have to use separate installs per domain, and also you need to do some playing around to make sure that the mail is delivered to the right domain. See the thread at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-October/067364.html for what I ended up doing in order to achieve this. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Recommended howto for using with postfix apache2 mysql virtual hosts
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, John Griessen wrote: I find some howtos that are close to my situation using debian, but there are differences from there to the comments in files like: /etc/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py /etc/mailman/apache.conf I've set this up on 3 systems using Mailman/Apache2/Postfix, and I don't use postfix-to-mailman.py at all. I simply use postfix-style virtual domains on mm_cfg. As for Apache, I just made a symlink from /etc/mailman/apache.conf to /etc/apache2/conf.d/mailman and edited it to my liking. I'm using versions: apache2-mpm-worker 2.2.14-1 apache2-utils 2.2.14-1 mailman1:2.1.12-3 postfix2.5.5-1.1 postfix-mysql 2.5.5-1.1 mysql-client-5.1 5.1.40-1 mysql-server-5.1 5.1.40-1 You won't need to use any of the Mysql stuff, just point Postfix to the aliases and virtual Mailman files produced by Mailman. These should be in /var/lib/mailman/data. These can be alongside your SQL definitions like so: alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases virtual_alias_maps = proxy:pgsql:/etc/postfix/sql/pgsql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, proxy:pgsql:/etc/postfix/sql/pgsql_virtual_alias_domain_maps.cf, roxy:pgsql:/etc/postfix/sql/pgsql_virtual_alias_domain_catchall_maps.cf hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman Any recommendations for installation on debian? I found the Postfix section of the installation manual to be pretty helpful. http://list.org/./mailman-install/node12.html I also discovered, when I had to do a from-source installation, that I'd left out a few steps by only reading this chapter, so a complete walk through the manual is probably a good idea. Feel free to ask if you have any further questions. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Hiding the To:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Allen Armstrong wrote: Is there a way to hide: to: field went sending to the list? I want to hide my email address and my users email addresses. Is it the To field or the From field you want to hide? It sounds to me like you want to hide the From field (i.e. the sender of each message). You can set the list up to allow anonymous posting. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Administrator Authentication
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, Kuntz, Taina M. wrote: I am the List Administrator for a couple of mailing lists. I am unable to get into the system. I'm not sure if I typed my password incorrectly too many times or if I've forgotten my password. Is it possible to get my password reset? Yes. Contact the system administrator who is responsible for the system where the list software runs and get them to reset the owner passwords on the lists you administer. Get them to run the bin/change_pw script in order to change the password. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't get off a list.
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009, Allison wrote: Years ago, I was subscribed to an email list. Since then, the owner lost the domain, but each month I still get a user name and password reminder. I'd love to unsubscribe, but the domain is no longer registered, therefore email and links do not work. I just want to stop getting the reminders from this dead list. You'll need to get the person running the system where the list was set up to remove you. Better still, get them to delete the entire list. Chances are that you might not be the only one in this position. If you don't know where the mail is coming from, the full headers of one of these reminder messages can help. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to allow messages from non-members to go to a list without any moderation?
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, Deb Seidman wrote: Hostgator uses mailman to provide mailing list features. So I used it to set up several lists and started playing with them. The problem is that I really am looking for the lists to work as a multiple destination alias (which hostgator doesn¹t appear to support) rather than a real list. The way to do this is to go into Privacy/Sender Filters and set it so that the default non-member action is Accept. However, depending on your preferences, this may not be all you will want to do with this. In order to let through absolutely everything, you'll also want to set the maximum message size to 0, set it to not care how many recipients there are to a message, and set it not to care whether or not the list name is in the To or Cc fields of the message. The first of these is in the general options (I think), and the others are in the recipient filters in the privacy section. I've had to set up such a list myself recently and ran into a few of these gotchas. I think that perhaps I also had to set something else but I forget now what it might have been. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable To Create Mailman Lists
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Carlos Williams wrote: I just installed Mailman 2.1.9-4 on my Linux mail server and configured it according to the online guide straight from the Mailman site. It appears to be working fine and I get hit the main page via Apache and see the only pubic list available called 'Mailman'. Now I selected the 'Admin Overview Page' and it takes me straight to the 'Admin' page with out any credentials for password or anything. Is this normal Mailman behavior? Should anyone be able to simply hit my Mailman public page and walk right into the 'Admin' page with put any credentials? Yes. You can't do anything there without a password of some sort, but hte password required will depend on which list you want to edit. Secondly - since I am in the 'Admin' page, I then attempt to select the link that says create a new mailing list which takes me to a new page for adding all the criteria for the new list I would like to generate. At the very bottom, it has a blank field box for List creator's (authentication) password: and I simply have no idea what that is. If I leave it blank or type in the password for the only Mailman list I have called Mailman, I get an error when creating the new list that says: Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists You need to create a site password. http://list.org/./mailman-install/node6.html Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to alias the listinfo page to lists.site.com?
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, John Griessen wrote: I have a working installation with listinfo at http://lists.metalartists.org/mailman/listinfo/ I'd like to see that page when I web browse to http://lists.metalartists.org Is that easy? Depends what you want to do. If you only want this domain to redirect to the above URL and you don't care where the rest points, you can simply do a redirect by setting up lists.metalartists.org as a virtual host and putting in an alias for / If you want all of Mailman to appear under this host, you will probably want to also use these aliases: Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ Alias /images/mailman/ /usr/share/images/mailman/ ScriptAlias /admin /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin ScriptAlias /admindb /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb ScriptAlias /confirm /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/confirm ScriptAlias /create /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/create ScriptAlias /edithtml /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/edithtml ScriptAlias /listinfo /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo ScriptAlias /options /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/options ScriptAlias /private /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/private ScriptAlias /rmlist /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/rmlist ScriptAlias /roster /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/roster ScriptAlias /subscribe /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/ Edit the above paths if your Mailman installation is somewhere different. You'll also want to put the following in mm_cfg.py: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'metalartists.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.metalartists.org' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/' I got this info from the apache.conf fragment that ships with the Mailman Debian package. Hope this helps, Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] regexp help
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, Savoy, Jim wrote: I also just noticed that all of the other handlers have an accompanying .pyc file, but my Foo.py does not. Perhaps that 'c' stands for compiled It does. and I was supposed to compile the code first? (probably seems obvious to someone familiar with Mailman/Python). No. The code is automatically compiled if there is no pyc file or the py file is different. Presumably there's no pyc file because of your syntax error. At a guess, I'd say that the def statement should be on a new line, but I'm not a Python expert. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
