[Mailman-Users] Syntax Error on setup.py install (30.b3)
$ python -V Python 2.7.5 $ python bootstrap.py Downloading http://pypi.python.org/packages/2.7/s/setuptools/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg Traceback (most recent call last): File bootstrap.py, line 254, in module ws.require(requirement) File /tmp/tmpZegqnz/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg/pkg_resources.py, line 666, in require File /tmp/tmpZegqnz/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg/pkg_resources.py, line 565, in resolve pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: zc.buildout==2.2.0 So I tried: $ python setup.py build $ python setup.py install Installed /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/decorator-3.4.0-py2.7.egg Searching for lazr.delegates Reading http://pypi.python.org/simple/lazr.delegates/ Reading https://launchpad.net/lazr.delegates Reading https://launchpad.net/lazr.delegates/+download Best match: lazr.delegates 2.0 Downloading https://pypi.python.org/packages/source/l/lazr.delegates/lazr.delegates-2.0.tar.gz#md5=eb696d20b284cc41e45b0d8cb8d21f0f Processing lazr.delegates-2.0.tar.gz Writing /tmp/easy_install-ogw7Xe/lazr.delegates-2.0/setup.cfg Running lazr.delegates-2.0/setup.py -q bdist_egg --dist-dir /tmp/easy_install-ogw7Xe/lazr.delegates-2.0/egg-dist-tmp-ssyQhM File build/bdist.freebsd-9.1-RELEASE-i386/egg/lazr/delegates/_python3.py, line 27 def delegate_to(*interfaces, context='context'): ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax File /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/lazr.delegates-2.0-py2.7.egg/lazr/delegates/_python3.py, line 27 def delegate_to(*interfaces, context='context'): ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax Adding lazr.delegates 2.0 to easy-install.pth file Installed /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/lazr.delegates-2.0-py2.7.egg Finished processing dependencies for mailman==3.0.0b3 Should I be worried? Is there an Install document somewhere I missed? -- Live long enough to become a problem to your kids. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] mailman group errors after updating postfix
In case this is useful to anyone else: === What I was going to post === After updating postfix to 2.10, mailman (which has datestamps on the binaries of Apr 2010) is failing. The log message in maillot is the dreaded: Aug 3 10:38:33 mail Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group mailman, but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group nobody. Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group mailman, or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody Since Mailman hasn't changed and has worked through 2.6 and 2.8, I suspect there is some configuration that has changed in postfix. Is this something I can fix in recompiling postfix (best), or do I have to recompile mailman (don't want to)? === EOF === I found the solution before posting. I went into the data directory for mailman and changed the owner on the aliases and aliases.db to mailman and everything works fine. I could also have simply run bin/check_perms -f (most of the info I found on the error was about recompiling mailman to fix this error, which is why I'm sending this along). This is almost certainly the solution to the problem I had in Jan 2010 in mailman-user, for anyone playing along at home.) -- 640K ought to be enough RAM for anybody. - Bill Gates, 1981 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Two Mailman lists
# ./list_lists 3 matching mailing lists found: Mailman - [no description available] Family1 - [no description available] Mailman - [no description available] Why are there two Mailman lists and do I need to be concerned? Also, since I am here, I can't find the change files for Mailman 2.1 (I have 2.1.12 and I think 2.1.15 is current). -- Try to realize it's all within yourself/No one else can make you change -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] .py and .pyc files
On May 4, 2011, at 9:59, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: So, it looks like mm_cfg.py is the only .py that gets recompiled automatically, right? So how do I recompile SpamDetect.py after making my changes? With further reading into Python, it appears that one of Python's features Is that it automatically recompiles .py files to .pyc files when needed, as soon as it triggers an import of the file, so there is nothing I need to do after changing the source and restarting mailman, it will just work. Is that correct? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] .py and .pyc files
I made some changes to a .py file and then restarted mailman with /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl restart however, the .pyc file did not get updated as its timestamp didn't change: # ls -lshtr Mailman/Handlers/Spam* 6 -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 4.4K Apr 24 2010 Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.pyc 6 -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 4.9K May 4 08:58 Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py the change was simple, just added some text to the Errors.RejectMessage (Mailman-2.1.12) So, it looks like mm_cfg.py is the only .py that gets recompiled automatically, right? So how do I recompile SpamDetect.py after making my changes? -- http://img.ly/system/uploads/000/780/083/large_IMG_0710.PNG?1300988642 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Clear the Importance: flag (or how to clear certain headers)?
On Mar 15, 2011, at 12:39, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: Mailman ignores all headers that it is not specifically interested in. Is this something that will change in MM3? There are actually quite a lot of headers that I would like to strip from messages. Actually, having a whitelist for headers and the option to strip all others would be kind of cool. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails missing in hotmail
On Mar 15, 2011, at 9:08, Website Administrator ad...@ivclive.org wrote: Hi, I am running multiples lists on my server and I am having issues with people not receiving emails who are using any of the msn email address or work addresses. Can you please advise what can be the reason behind that? Hotmail's spam filtering is very aggressive and very VERY stupid. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] how to block / discard automatically a specificemail from email ID
On 3-Aug-2010, at 14:17, Balaji Ramanathan wrote: Unfortunately, yes I am running 2.0.5 version. Upgrading is not under my control. Mailman 2.0.5 is pushing ten years old. If your host is unwilling or unable to update then find another host. If this is a corporate machine where the IT department is unable or unwilling to update, then you probably need to complain to someone if you are expected to administer the lists. -- Can't stop the signal -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Test messages
I may have asked this before, but if so I can't find it in my archives. Is there a way to send a test message to a list without it being sent out to the entire list? Something like a ping that only replies to you? I have a list I host for a friend that is very sporadic. When active it can get 100 posts a day, but those days come infrequently. Sometimes he's concerned that posts are getting lost (it's happened in the past that some configuration muckup has borked the list) and he'd like to be able to check that the list is ok. -- A thousand years ago we thought the world was a bowl. Five hundred years ago we knew it was a globe. Today we know it is flat and round carried through space on the back of a turtle. Don't you wonder what shape it will turn out to be tomorrow? [Lord Vetinari] --The Truth -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Release of e-mails
On 4-Jun-2010, at 02:33, Jasper - HRSA wrote: Is there a setting in mailman where one can release 300 e-mails every hour. My host only allow me to send 300 e-mails every hour. Get a new host. -- One by one the bulbs burned out, like long lives come to their expected ends. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Determine whether a message is sent to a particular user
On 27-May-2010, at 11:49, Hung Phan wrote: A user reports that she did not receive an emergency message that was sent to a list of 819 members with one member marked as no mail, yesterday. According to smtp log, the message sent out to 813 recipients of that list on May 25, 2010 10:39:40. Within the next 5 minutes, this message re-send to 15 members of the list ( according to post log, no message is posted to this list or any other lists for 60 minutes after this message) Will we able to determine exactly whether the message is indeed sent to her account (hotmail account)? Will we able to determine the 15 members that the message re-send to? 1) You will have to look at the maillog on the mailserver to see the message sent and accepted by hotmail (I can pretty much guarantee that hotmail accepted the message). 2) If anyone is counting on hotmail to deliver critical emails they are complete and total morons. Hotmail is *not* reliable and often discards messages with no notice to the receiver. -- I have seen galaxies die. I have watched atoms dance. But until I had the dark behind the eyes, I didn't know the death from the dance. --The Thief of Time -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] This should not have happened
On 8-May-2010, at 15:38, Mark Sapiro wrote: 'Approved:(\s|nbsp;)*Hon94Bar' how about Approved:([^])*Password when searching the HTML portion? Or do you have to have the same search string for all portions? -- ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES BART A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES BART A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES BART A DULL BOY Bart chalkboard Ep. 1F07 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] The Dreaded Group Mismatch Error
On Apr 24, 2010, at 14:27, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: wave a fresh chicken bone over the server All hail the power of the chicken bone. (it's working again, Woot) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] The Dreaded Group Mismatch Error
I tried to send a message to a low-traffic announce-list which failed: Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group mailman, but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group nobody. Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group mailman, or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'. So I go to the /usr/ports/mail/mailman/ directory to build mailman 'by hand' so to speak: $ export MM_USERNAME=nobody $ export MM_GROUPNAME=nobody $ export MM_USERID=65534 $ make install === Installing for mailman-2.1.12 === mailman-2.1.12 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/python2.5 - found --- Starting install script: --- Using existing group nobody --- Using existing user nobody --- Using existing Mailman directory (/usr/local/mailman) (There may be existing active mailing lists - this installation will attempt to preserve them.) === Generating temporary packing list etc etc $ /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mailman start $ Try to send another message, and I get the exact same error. Apr 24 09:26:44 mail Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group mailman, but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group nobody. Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group mailman, or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'. Now /etc/postfix/aliases.db (where all the aliases for mailman have been since at least 2004) is owned by root, and man 8 local says: When those files are owned by the superuser, delivery is made with the rights specified with the default_privs configuration parameter. and the default for default_privs is nobody, which is what postfix is doing. So, if mailman is built as above using group and user nobody why is it claiming it expected the wrapper to be run as mailman? As far as I can tell, postfix is doing what it is supposed to, but mailman somewhere has a user mailman in it that it thinks should be being used. Where this is and why I cannot figure out. All the mailman processes are running as 'nobody' So, I went and grabbed the source and read up on http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node7.html ~/src/mailman-2.1.13 $ ./configure --with-username=nobody --with-mail-gid=nobody --with-group-name=nobody configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target checking for --with-python... no checking for python... /usr/local/bin/python checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python checking Python version... 2.5.5 checking Python's email package... ok checking Japanese codecs... ok checking Korean codecs... ok checking that Python has a working distutils... yes checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking for true... /usr/bin/true checking for --without-gcc... no checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of executables... checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes checking for --with-var-prefix... no checking for --with-permcheck... yes checking for --with-username... mailman checking for user name mailman... okay checking for --with-groupname... mailman checking for group name mailman... okay ... it completely ignores the flags (this is 2.1.13 downloaded a today from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/mailman-2.1.13.tgz ). and even if you try to make at that point, there is no Makefile so, now what? What portion of mailman is expecting a gid of mailman? Since mailman seems to be totally insistent on running as mailman, I wen ahead and split the aliases out into a separate file and gave them the right permissions $ chown mailman /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.db In the manual it say: Run the bin/genaliases script to initialize your aliases file. % cd /usr/local/mailman % bin/genaliases Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and data/aliases.db file is mailman, that the group owner for those files is mailman, or whatever user and group you used in the configure command, and that both files are group writable: However, when I run bin/genaliases I get: To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the `newaliases' program: followed by a list of all the aliases. There are no files in data/ named anything like alias /usr/local/mailman $ ls -ls data/ total 20 2 -rw-r- 1 rootnobody 41 May 30 2009 adm.pw 2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root
Re: [Mailman-Users] The Dreaded Group Mismatch Error
On 24-Apr-2010, at 13:15, Mark Sapiro wrote: LuKreme wrote: I tried to send a message to a low-traffic announce-list which failed: Are other lists working? No, everything is dead. [Let's just ignore anything having to do with the ports package, I'm trying to get the source tarball to work] So, I went and grabbed the source and read up on http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node7.html ~/src/mailman-2.1.13 $ ./configure --with-username=nobody --with-mail-gid=nobody --with-group-name=nobody configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target This is very strange. When I run the above command in a freshly unpacked 2.1.13 tarball directory (with 2.5 python), I get: [msap...@msapiro ...2.1.13/mailman-2.1.13]$ ./configure --with-username=nobody --with-mail-gid=nobody --with-group-name=nobody configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --with-group-name Because it's spelled --with-groupname Yeah, I don't get that. # python --version Python 2.5.5 # bash --version GNU bash, version 4.0.35(0)-release (i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html This is free software; you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. # checking for --with-python... no No idea, python is certainly installed. Could there be something in your environment that's affecting this? Or your shell? What shell is invoked by /bin/sh? running straight bash, nothing set in my environment. In fact, I tried to compile it just now with su root (no .profile or .bashrc active at all). and even if you try to make at that point, there is no Makefile Are you saying configure completes and makes a config.status and runs that and there is no Makefile after that? Really strange… Yes, exactly. I've downloaded the tarball twice now. Note that the expected group (mailman) is compiled into the mailman/mail/mailman wrapper (from configure's --with-mail-gid) in standard Mailman. I don't know how to set it in your package. I keep trying to get it to work properly with the mailman user and group but it is not playing nice. I would prefer, of course, to have this all working properly (with uid and gid of mailman) but working -at all- would be better. I'm going to try and recompile the port with mailman/mailman and split the aliases out into the data/aliases file, set those perms, re-postalias all the files, wave a fresh chicken bone over the server, and hope for the best. -- Eyes the shady night has shut/Cannot see the record cut And silence sounds no worse than cheers/After earth has stopped the ears. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] one-click subscription
On 1-Mar-2010, at 10:50, David Newman wrote: For a read-only announcement list, I'm looking for a way to set up one-click subscription where a user enters an email in a form on a web page and gets subscribed right away, with no confirmation needed. Please let me know the domain(s) these lists will be hosted on so I can add them to my local blacklist. -- The voice of the majority is no proof of justice. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexplained unsubscribes of yahoo.com email addresses
On 1-Mar-2010, at 09:58, Mark Sapiro wrote: I think Yahoo is wrong in this. Oh yeah, there's no question at all that Yahoo has their proverbial head up their backsides. But they are a large enough gorilla that they don't have to care. I am happy to say that I've convinced many people to switch from Yahoo to another mail service simply by showing them logs of the crap yahoo pulls. -- As God as my witness, I though turkeys could fly, Arthur Carlson, WKRP in Cincinnati -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] digest mode links
On 28-Feb-10 09:59, John Griessen wrote: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC04246.JPG Type: application/octet-stream Because it was defined incorrectly as an application/octet stream instead of as an image/jpeg -- I draw the line at 7 unreturned phone calls. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] digest mode links
On 28-Feb-10 11:03, Mark Sapiro wrote: SCRUBBER_USE_ATTACHMENT_FILENAME_EXTENSION = True Would that be considered unsafe? I mean, it SEEMS unsafe, but is it really? -- Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Possibly OT: VERP to plussed addresses
On 28-Feb-10 22:34, Mark Sapiro wrote: And a Happy Mailman Day to you too;). Sweet, does this mean I get the day off work? -- And there were all the stars, looking remarkably like powered diamonds spilled on black velvet, the stars that lured and ultimately called the boldest towards them... --Colour of Magic -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail - Aliases
On 18-Feb-2010, at 14:55, Steven Jones wrote: References: pc195201002171803250531f3243...@msapiro pc1952010021718151607963bbe0...@msapiro In-Reply-To: pc1952010021718151607963bbe0...@msapiro [...] Hi, Hi, please do not hijack someone else's thread when starting a new topic. Create a NEW message addressed to the list, not a reply to a previous message. You're breaking threading, and every time you do that a puppy dies. -- What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question
On 9-Feb-2010, at 07:26, Mark Sapiro wrote: You might also consider something like Google Groups for this. Eww! Ick. spit -- TAR IS NOT A PLAYTHING Bart chalkboard Ep. 7F02 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is There a list member limitation?
On 15-Jan-2010, at 09:24, Goodman, William wrote: I had a user send an email to one of our lists (approx. 700 email address), he states that some users received them about (450) and other did not. Is there a email address limitation or member limitation? Not in Mailman. There are many reasons that a mail may not be received by some members of a list. 1) Spam filters on their machines that trap the mail as spam 2) limitations on your sending server on how many emails you can send to how many people in what amount of time 3) Your server is on an RBL 4) THEIR server is on an RBL 5) They DID receive the mail, they just can't find it 6) DNS issues (yours or theirs) There are probably other things. -- Gods don't like people not doing much work. People who aren't busy all the time might start to think. --Small Gods -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] NNTP server for local newsgroups ?
On 21-Dec-2009, at 17:36, John Fitzsimons wrote: In another thread we were talking about Mailman to web forum options. As Mailman can manage NNTP I wondered whether anyone here had come across an NNTP server for local (not usenet) newsgroups ? I'd start with this search: http://www.google.com/search?q=nntpd -- What are you, Ghouls? There are no dead students here. This week. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Iphone and Mailman
On 17-Dec-2009, at 10:56, Jan Behrens wrote: whenever i send an email to the list via the mail.app on my IPhone, sent images are lost. I just tested this from my iPhone and the image was posted just fine. Headers look like this: Return-Path: mylist-bounces+*munged*=*munged*@*munged*.com X-Original-To: *mung...@*munged*.com Delivered-To: *mung...@covisp.net Received: from [75.148.117.93] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.covisp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C683A118B9E4 for *mung...@*munged*.com; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:25:59 -0700 (MST) X-Original-To: myl...@*munged*.com Delivered-To: myl...@covisp.net Received: from [10.0.5.13] (c-71-229-189-229.hsd1.co.comcast.net [71.229.189.229]) by mail.covisp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CF4118B949 for myl...@*munged*.com; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:25:38 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: 5e995063-b92c-48a7-83f6-bcaafa8f6...@*munged*.com From: MyiPhone *mung...@*munged*.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--603504906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7D11) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:25:36 -0700 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (7D11) Subject: [mylist] Testing X-BeenThere: myl...@*munged*.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: myl...@*munged*.com Cc: myl...@*munged*.com List-Id: mylist.*munged*.com List-Unsubscribe: http://mailman.covisp.net/mailman/listinfo/mylist, mailto:mylist-requ...@*munged*.com?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://mailman.covisp.net/mailman/private/mylist List-Post: mailto:myl...@*munged*.com List-Help: mailto:mylist-requ...@*munged*.com?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://mailman.covisp.net/mailman/listinfo/mylist, mailto:mylist-requ...@*munged*.com?subject=subscribe To: Lewis Butler *mung...@*munged*.com Sender: mylist-bounces+*munged*=*munged*@*munged*.com Errors-To: mylist-bounces+*munged*=*munged*@*munged*.com --Apple-Mail-1--603504906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-1--603504906 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=photo.jpg Content-Type: image/jpeg; name=photo.jpg Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAAICAgICAQICAgICAgIDAwYEAwMDAwcFBQQGCAcICAgH …etc oAACiiigAAACiiigAAACiiigAAACiiigAA//2Q== --Apple-Mail-1--603504906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -- Penny! *Everything* is better with BlueTooth -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't hide sender of message
On 9-Dec-2009, at 09:01, TomSherlock wrote: They receive two messages, one from the list and one from the poster. So you are trying to figure out how Mailman can prevent a third party from mailing a third party? -- The older you get the more you need the people you knew when you were young. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Server skips Mailman - more II
On 7-Dec-2009, at 09:33, alexan...@nautae.eti.br wrote: I have a contact.enterprise.com subdomain. Please don't use real (or even potentially real) domains when you are trying to obfuscate your own domains. You have three, and ONLY three choices: 1) Use the real domains. In most cases, this is a good choice as it allow people to do things like check your DNS, your rDNS, etc. 2) Use example.com example.org or example.net 3) use a made up domain ending in a made-up non-existing tld. For example, I would have said I have a contract.enterprise.tld subdomain. tld stands for top-level domain and is not a valid tld. If you go with #3 you have to be POSITIVE that the tld you use is not used, potentially used, or under review to be added. .xxx is a terrible choice for these reasons. .tld .moc .example are all reasonable choices In the example you gave, enterprise.com is a domain name for Enterprise Rent a Car. -- I believe you can joke about anything. -- George Carlin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Pending requests
So, my mailinglists are on http://covisp.net/mailman/ and I want them to be on lists.covisp.net, but I can't remember how to change this. The reason is that the default server for www.covisp.net and covisp.net has changed, but the mail server is still the same machine, and that is the machine that used to be www.covisp.net and the machine that has mailman on it. I can still access most of the admin interface, except for the pending request section which I am able to see, but I am not able to clear any pending requests because the button redirects to 'http://covisp.net' and that redirects to the webserver that doesn't have mailman on it. -- THERE WAS NO ROMAN GOD NAMED FARTICUS Bart chalkboard Ep. 5F06 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] rejecting messages *to* non-members
On 26-Nov-2009, at 16:26, Shop at Just Brits wrote: Another prob I ran into early on was folks just blindly using the Reply-All function therefore if I had made the orginal post I would get TWO replies. I nipped THAT in the bud VERY quickly. I'd much rather get two replies than what some lists do which is not send me a copy if they see I 'already got one' in the Cc or To headers. I REALLY hate that. This list, for example. -- Over 3,500 gay marriages and, what, no hellfire? I was promise hellfire. And riots. What gives? -- Mark Morford -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Checking for Heartbeat
On 27-Nov-2009, at 08:56, Mark Sapiro wrote: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/files/head%3A/contrib/ where you can download mmdsr and README.mmdsr Hmm.. the readme and internal docs where not that useful. # Arguments for your mktemp command to specify directory and/or create file. # For example, HPUX mktemp requires -c; FreeBSD doesn't accept -p dir. ### TMPDIR=-p /tmp OK, since freeBSD doesn't like the -p option, what should this be? setting it to just /tmp generates an error. Setting it to -d /tmp/mmdsr also generates the same basic errors. Yes, the script is running as root. # mmdsr mktemp: mkstemp failed on /tmp: File exists mktemp: mkstemp failed on /tmp: File exists /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory The script then sits there for far long than a minute seemingly doing nothing. (I know it has a sleep 60 in it because it's intended to run at 23:59, but that does seem an odd way to go to me). Still, wanting to see the output it generated I ran it, but it seems to just stall. -- Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers ~Carlin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] rejecting messages *to* non-members
On 27-Nov-2009, at 11:37, Mark Sapiro wrote: LuKreme wrote: I'd much rather get two replies than what some lists do which is not send me a copy if they see I 'already got one' in the Cc or To headers. I REALLY hate that. This list, for example. It's a user option (at least on Mailman lists) - Avoid duplicate copies of messages? Yep, but I've set it at least twice for this list and I still find it getting set back. But that said, some Mailman lists have a setting that lets you set the Reply-To: on your posts so that when people reply, it goes ONLY to the list, as $DEITY intended. -- Love seekest only self to please, To bind another to its delight Joys in another's loss of ease And builds a hell in Heaven's despite! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Service provider environments
On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:42, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: We also need to improve the administrative interface. Mark (and you, inter alia) have spent *way* too much time typing five levels of menu navigation into answers to how do I ... questions. Oh yeah, the UI has much room for improvement. Even having used mailman for years I dont use the admin pages every day, so I find myself clicking through multiple pages trying to find some setting. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Revisit to moderator aliases
On 23-Nov-2009, at 17:21, Mark Sapiro wrote: Bill Catambay wrote: In any case, I did have one follow-up question (suggestion, actually, from a member of my list). In the digests, is there any setting that is available to *me* that will let me put the digest prolog text (e.g., To subscribe..., When replying..., etc., etc.) at the bottom of the digest instead of the top? No. Heh. SHort and concise. I THINK that the No really means that it is not possible. The Digest messages are sent out as multi-part mime messages. Each message in the digest is a separate mime part. The text of the actual message is the thing that appears to be a 'header' to your and your user, but it is not the header, it is the body of the message. What I would recommend is making sure your client understands the mime digest format and can properly 'explode' it into individual messages. This way you never have to worry about the 'header' -- If fashion is your trade then when you're naked I guess you must be unemployed. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Revisit to moderator aliases
On 23-Nov-2009, at 17:53, Mark Sapiro wrote: And list owners and other list members would never have to deal with posts with Subject: Re: listname Digest, Vol nn, Issue nn and bodies consisting of Yeah, me too followed by a quote of the entire digest. /rant I'm hoping that in MM3 when someone does this a couple of things happen: 1) the message is not posted 2) they get a note from the list saying don't do that 3) their mod bit is enabled. -- You know, Rick, I have many a friend in Casablanca, but somehow, just because you despise me, you are the only one I trust. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast
On 22-Nov-2009, at 13:53, Bill Catambay wrote: When I used Autoshare listserver software, it ran on my home server (a Mac), and I never had to rely on anyone for support (handled everything myself). Unfortunately, that software has not been updated in over 10 years and is no longer supported (there isn't even a version that runs on Mac OS X, only a classic version). I noticed my ISP offered mailing lists (using Mailman), and I made the move this year to migrate all my list Run mailman on your OS X machine. Setup postfix on your OS X machine to relay via your ISP. There you go, no muss, no fuss, and no relying on anyone else. -- I thought that they were angels, but to my surprise, we climbed aboard their starship, we headed for the skies. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast
On 22-Nov-2009, at 17:14, Gadi Evron wrote: Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? It could be useful in a very narrow set of circumstances. the question is, is it worth putting resources into such a feature for those very few times this would be useful? My sense is that getting the list of users and sending a Bcc to them is a workable solution, but I'm not tied to that position. -- If I were willing to change my morals for convenience or financial gain, we wouldn't be arguing, because I'd already *be* a Republican. -- Wil Shipley -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman current version?
On Nov 19, 2009, at 12:58, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: or more radically, as a separate project that talks to the API). Ooo, that sound like a great idea. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't get off a list.
On 1-Nov-2009, at 16:47, Allison wrote: Below is the email I get, minus the password. This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your themagickdragon.net mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. Since the domain doesn't exist, you will need to look at the headers to see what machine is actually sending out the emails. Then you will need to contact their postmaster or admin contact (or possibly actually make a phone call) to get this taken care of. There's nothing anyone on this list can do. However, by googling, I did find the following information: The Magick Dragon 365 Thames St., Newport, RI 401-843-8558 rose...@cox.net www.themagickdragon.net So, you might try calling the store directly or emailing rose143. -- Once again I teeter at the precipice of the generation gap. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] E-mail-based moderation
On 9-Nov-2009, at 05:09, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Brian J Mingus writes: I just found an e-mail sent to Mailman-Developers that never received a reply. It is essentially identical to mine. How can I bring this feature to life? A fully functional MUA allows you to pull out the forwarded message and respond to it. Mutt, Gnus, VM, MH-E (and MH itself), Mew, and Wanderlust all have this capability; I'm sure there are other MUAs that do. If GMail doesn't have it, well, that won't be the first broken-by-design misfeature in GMail that I've run into. I think gmail DOES do this if you open the attachment. I can't seem to find an example to test it on… Ah, oK, no, not exactly. It only allows you to see the full message, but not to open it as a message. Guess you might have to use some other mail client for this (I know OS X's Mail.app works just fine with this, click the attachment, reply. Done and done. I bet ThunderBird does as well.) -- There will always be women in rubber flirting with me. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe request
On 1-Nov-2009, at 18:49, upscaleweld...@aol.com wrote: Please unsubscribe me from your list. Please unsubscribe yourself by reading ANY MESSAGE SENT TO THE LIST. (hint, look for the word Unsubscribe included in every single message) -- You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Using robots.txt
On 8-Nov-2009, at 18:09, Max Pyziur wrote: I've tried placing a basic robots.txt file at /var/mailman/archives/ public/ Have you read ANY documentation on robots.txt? http://www.robotstxt.org/robotstxt.html Notice the FIRST LINE: About /robots.txt and notice the third line: Web site owners use the /robots.txt file to give instructions about their site to web robots; this is called The Robots Exclusion Protocol. Do you see that leading /? robots.txt must always be placed in the root folder for the site. that is the only place that it has any meaning or effect. -- I WILL NOT YELL SHE'S DEAD DURING ROLL CALL Bart chalkboard Ep. 9F11 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] i need help for linux ubuntu
On 3-Nov-2009, at 08:43, lady wrote: Come sapere differenze per esempio fra Gnome e KDE di Ubuntu nel mio caso. Poi Dovrei sapere di più sulle differenze tra Linux Ubuntu e Xubuntu che conosco pochissimo. GNOME and KDE are two different GUIs for Linux. Ubuntu is a specific variant of Linux, so GNOME and KDE for Ubuntu/MythBuntu/XuBuntu/ Edubuntu/Ubuntu Studio, c are ALL Linux. Any of them will run Mailman. Which is best for you is a question that, realistically, only you can answer. You might start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions A lot of people really like the new manager in Xubuntu. I find the whole thing rather pointless as I don't want a GUI on a server in the first place, so I tend to run stripped down FreeBSD with no window manager; but that's me. -- May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe request
On 9-Nov-2009, at 13:49, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: upscaleweld...@aol.com is not subscribed to any python.org lists. That's odd, the message I replied to came to the mailman list. Return-Path: mailman-users-bounces+kremels=kreme@python.org X-Original-To: krem...@kreme.com Delivered-To: krem...@covisp.net Received: from mail.python.org (mail.python.org [82.94.164.166]) by mail.covisp.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D52F0118AE1B for krem...@kreme.com; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 03:24:25 -0700 (MST) […] From: upscaleweld...@aol.com Message-ID: bfb.69a31be6.381f9...@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:49:36 EST To: mailman-users@python.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: upscaleweld...@aol.com X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:43:24 +0100 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.12 Subject: Unsubscribe request X-BeenThere: mailman-users@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 I guess he managed to figure it out between posting on the 1st and the message getting pushed through today? Of course, I didn't notice the date as I sort by 'date received' and not 'date sent'. -- THEY ARE LAUGHING AT ME, NOT WITH ME Bart chalkboard Ep. 7G12 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Cc header restictions
On Oct 22, 2009, at 17:56, Adam McGreggor adam-mail...@amyl.org.uk wrote: On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 05:41:01PM -0600, LuKreme wrote: I've looked thought he webface and cannot find where the maximum number of Cc's allowed is set. max_num_recipients ? mailman/admin/listname/privacy/recipient Thank you. I was searching for Cc and not finding it. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Cc header restictions
I've looked thought he webface and cannot find where the maximum number of Cc's allowed is set. -- Looking into Granny's eyes was like looking into a mirror. What you saw looking back at you was yourself, and there was no hiding place. -- Maskerade -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Hotmail
On 20-Oct-2009, at 08:05, Adrià wrote: We have problems with sended emails to Hotmail. Welcome to the Internet. Hotmail users don’t receive emails from mailman lists, please help us to solucionate the problem. Anyone using hotmail should be well used to not receiving emails. -- Gods don't like people not doing much work. People who aren't busy all the time might start to think. --Small Gods -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] fight spam !!
On 3-Oct-2009, at 23:22, Khalil Abbas wrote: common people MUST be educated about this!! so if we kill 10% of the spam going on it will be a big achievement! I kill about 98% of the spam reaching my server and spam is still a pretty big problem. -- My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm... afraid. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments
Oh I know WHY it was done. However, being a [CENSORED] I would have said Get a real client or report the bug to the mothership and hope [HAHAHA CACKLE CACKLE SNORT] they get around to fixing it. You can't give those bastards an inch. -- Sent from my iPhone On Sep 11, 2009, at 15:48, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:16 PM, LuKreme wrote: On 11-Sep-2009, at 11:41, Mark Sapiro wrote: Yes, that's the way it works, but maybe it shouldn't. What do people think about changing this? Well, I'd be in favor of forcing the rfc2369 headers to always be there, myself. I hate it when lists don't have them. Historically, the option to remove them was added because people complained that their MUA (that shall remain nameless) could not hide them. -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments
On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:44, Kirke Johnson kjohn...@pcc.edu wrote: Due to complaints about subscription headers that would not work, I removed them. The only way I found to do that was by turning off include_rfc2369_headers. I would think the proper solution is to fix them, not remove them. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments
On 11-Sep-2009, at 11:41, Mark Sapiro wrote: Yes, that's the way it works, but maybe it shouldn't. What do people think about changing this? Well, I'd be in favor of forcing the rfc2369 headers to always be there, myself. I hate it when lists don't have them. I think the solution to the OP's problem is to have a way to create a 'Roach Motel' list, that is, one where the subscribers cannot unsub. However, that setting should be 1) hard to find and 2) have BLINK tag warnings on it. -- Let's get back to syntax of procmail and forget the syntax of fools. Don -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Authenticating a post to a distribution list
On 11-Sep-2009, at 11:46, Mark Sapiro wrote: If people want this feature (Approved: password in square brackets in the Subject:), speak up. It might not be a bad idea, especially for people who's clients are not set to plain-text, so yeah, that would be good. As long as it's not taking away from anything else and we're really really sure the []'s get stripped out and that it doesn't screw it any other []'s in the subject. -- The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Test mesages
On 8-Sep-2009, at 09:18, Malcolm Austen wrote: On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:51:24 +0100, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: Is there some way to send a test message to a list that is only sent back to me instead of sending it out to the entire distribution? Sometimes I want to examine the logs live when a message comes in, but I don't want to keep spamming all the users with test, pls. ignore sorts of subjects. I configure my lists to trap the words 'test', 'help', 'spam', 'virus', and 'digest' in the subject lines. I have a spam filter rule ... ^subject:.*\btest.* ... that should deal with your need. The trouble with this suggestion (and others) is that all it does is stop the messages once it gets to the list. What I want to see is the 'full loop' of the message as I send it, and as it gets sent back to me. As an example, I was checking on a list that hadn't seen any traffic in a few months, and I sent a test message Subject: Test, please ignore Body: don't reply to this, it's just a test. That generated *FIFTEEN* replies all acknowledging receipt of the test. Obviously, not a techie list, but still. So I was thinking it would be nice if I could send a message to the list and get the message back, but only to me and not distributed to the other subscribers. Or maybe there's something else I should do? Basically, I wanted to tail -f /var/log/maillog and watch the message come in and get sent to ensure the list was working properly. -- Exit, pursued by a bear. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Test mesages
On 10-Sep-2009, at 15:04, Adam McGreggor wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 02:53:43PM -0600, LuKreme wrote: Or maybe there's something else I should do? Basically, I wanted to tail -f /var/log/maillog and watch the message come in and get sent to ensure the list was working properly. If you just want to see that, why not set yourself/another account you use as moderated, and watch your logs for that: the mail will get to the list, but won't go beyond the checks, unless you otherwise chose. What I am trying to see if the message get to the list, and the message get back out. I want to see what mailman does with it, and what postfix does to a message FROM the list. Setting up a test list is an idea, but I have had situations where a one list didn't work (specifically a list on a virtual host) even though all the others did. Being able to see the full route would have helped in that situation. A test list is great for testing mailman, but it doesn't test a specific list except the test list. On 10-Sep-2009, at 16:04, Mark Sapiro wrote: The trouble with this suggestion (and others) is that all it does is stop the messages once it gets to the list. What I want to see is the 'full loop' of the message as I send it, and as it gets sent back to me. Which by definition you can't strictly do because you have to alter the outgoing process in some way to remove the other recipients so you are not testing the original process. I would see a message hit the mailserver, go to mailman, and then go from mailman to the server and out. This is the full loop. So you don't trust Mailman. Actually, in this case where I am most likely to see a problem is in a misconfiguration of postfix that doesn't allow the list message to be sent because it gets caught up in some anti-spam/anti-spoof measure I've implemented, or as I mentioned before, the case where everything works fine for local domains and regular /etc/postfix/virtual, but blows up on the mysql virtual domains. You can accomplish what you want in a kludgey way (subject to the above) with manual steps. OK, I'll take a look at those. Assuming I actually wanted to implement a feature to optionally send posts to say list-owner instead of the elligible list members, how would you want this to work? Would it be a list setting or triggered by some magik in the post. Neither. I think the best way to do this would be to have a list-ping email address where all it does is send you back your message as if it had been posted to the entire list, but sent only to you. That is, with footers attached, attachments, scraped, subject changed, etc. Whatever the message would like like had it gone out, that's what you get back, only you're the only recipient. -- The Steve is seen, rightly or wrongly, as the visionary, the leader, the savant. Bill is the Boswell to The Steve's Johnson, but lacking Boswell's wit, charm, and dynamic personality. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Test mesages
Is there some way to send a test message to a list that is only sent back to me instead of sending it out to the entire distribution? Sometimes I want to examine the logs live when a message comes in, but I don't want to keep spamming all the users with test, pls. ignore sorts of subjects. -- The Piper's calling you to join him -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question About Gzip'd Archives
On 3-Sep-2009, at 14:45, Barry Finkel wrote: when I look at the file, I see that it is a plain text file. It is not a gzip'd file. Why? Thanks. This is not anything Mailman is doing. Either your system is automatically seeing the zipped data and uncompressing it, or (and this is more likely) apache is set to automatically uncompress the .gz file and send it along. If you can, see if your httpd.conf is using mod_gunzip and if so, what its settings are. If you want the gzip archives, then see if you can get it disabled for the mailman archives pages. -- Everybody hates a tourist, especially one who thinks it's all such laugh. Yeah, and the chip stains and grease will come out in the bath. You will never understand how it feels to live your life with no meaning or control, and with nowhere left to go. You are amazed that the exist, and they burn so bright whilst you can only wonder why. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange Wiki entry for Postfix Tuning
On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:13, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: It's okay, I'm lactose intolerant. But the original question is still, I think, unanswered. -- Sent from my iPhone -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] monthly password reminders
On 3-Aug-2009, at 12:06, Con Wieland wrote: I run a server with a few hundred lists. When the monthly password reminders are sent they are sent from mailman-owner and so the bounces come back to the main mailman-bounces address. Is there a way to have them come from the list so they are returned to the individual list owners? No, because reminders are sent from mailman, not from each list. If subscribe to several lists at one domain (one mailman install, to be perfectly accurate), I only get one reminder message. I think you can have your list-owners be subscribe to the mailman list though. -- My little brother got his arm stuck in the microwave. So my mom had to take him to the hospital. My grandma dropped acid this morning, and she freaked out. She hijacked a busload of penguins. So it's sort of a family crisis. Bye! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman and group mismatch error
On 1-Aug-2009, at 12:43, Greg White wrote: To send the test message I sshd into my box as user, su - to root, and did: # /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as one of the following groups: [mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon], but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group: root. Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as one of these groups: [mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon], or re-run configure providing the command line option: '--with-mail-gid=root'. Right. The error message is quite clear. Why do you think running the command as root WOULD work? try su mailman ( or sudo -u mailman ) and then run the command. I then use mutt (still as root) to send an email and this is what I see in /var/log/maillog Sent an email to what, exactly? the list? Aug 1 13:21:44 list postfix/postfix-script: starting the Postfix mail system Aug 1 13:21:44 list postfix/master[2494]: daemon started -- version 2.3.3, configuration /etc/postfix Aug 1 13:22:23 list Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as one of the following groups: [mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon], but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group: root. Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as one of these groups: [mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon], or re-run configure providing the command line option: '--with-mail-gid=root'. This looks like test attempt above. Aug 1 13:25:02 list postfix/local[2769]: C122C8604E0: to=, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.51, delays=0.25/0.05/0/0.21, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/ mailman post mailman) That worked. Mailman is configured correctly. Finally I exit root and go back to being a user and I do: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test And why do you think that would work? Again, the error message is quite clear. What is the problem? It looks to me like everything is working properly. -- Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] permission denied error
On Jul 22, 2009, at 8:02, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/ mailman/config.pck' all the config.pck files have the same permissions though: 10 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 8556 Jul 21 12:00 list1/config.pck 8 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 7825 Mar 11 12:00 list1/ config.pck.corrupt 10 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 8556 Jul 21 09:00 list1/ config.pck.last 8 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 7825 Mar 11 12:10 list1/ config.pck.safety 10 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 9678 Jul 21 12:00 list2/config.pck 10 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 9678 Jul 21 09:00 list2/ config.pck.last 4 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3640 Jul 21 12:00 mailman/config.pck 4 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3640 Mar 11 12:00 mailman/ config.pck.corrupt 4 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3640 Jul 21 09:00 mailman/ config.pck.last 4 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3640 Mar 11 12:07 mailman/ config.pck.safety $ bin/check_perms -f No problems found No one has any solutions? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] permission denied error
On 23-Jul-2009, at 16:58, Mark Sapiro wrote: LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: No one has any solutions? See my reply at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-July/066577.html and provide the information I ask for, and we might be able to help. Sorry, I never saw that post, it's not in my mail queue. I am getting these error as system mailing warnings from cron: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 284, in module main() File /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 264, in main process_lists(lock) File /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 199, in process_lists mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 130, in __init__ self.Load() File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 629, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 595, in __load fp = open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/ mailman/config.pck' I get these emails ever 5 minutes. Mail sent to the mailing list still goes out. For now I've simply commented out the crontab line for the mailman user: #0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python2.4 - S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news (which should be */5 * * * * anyway, no?) but I don't know that that's a solution? -- You too will get old. And when you do you'll fantasize that when you were young prices where reasonable, politicians were noble, and children respected their elders. Respect your elders. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] permission denied error
On 23-Jul-2009, at 22:12, Mark Sapiro wrote: LuKreme wrote: On 23-Jul-2009, at 16:58, Mark Sapiro wrote: LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: No one has any solutions? See my reply at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-July/066577.html and provide the information I ask for, and we might be able to help. Sorry, I never saw that post, it's not in my mail queue. My 23-Jul-2009, at 16:58 (-0600) post (and this one too) was sent to the list only. The post archived at the above link was addressed to you and to the list. The copy to you was accepted by your MX (mail.covisp.net). Perhaps you are filtering mail from me? Not specifically, but mail to my list address that is not to a list goes into a quarantine that I look at only on rare occasions. I never saw the copy sent to the list though. The one directly to me is in the quarantine and I pulled it out after seeing your second reply. Do Mailman's other cron jobs run without error? I thought so, but it looks like they all are (this is the only one ever 5 minutes, so it overwhelmed the others) Could this be a SELinux or other security manager issue? FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE with no weird chroot stuff. What are the permissions on the /usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/ directory? 2 drwxrwsr-x 21 mailman mailman It's a satisfactory avoidance if you don't actually have any lists gating from usenet, and it's a reasonable 'efficiency' as well in that circumstance, but there is some underlying issue that should be addressed. I'm still looking into it. I suspect this has something to do with a portupgrade as the errors started about the time I was doing a lot of updates. Hmm.. I think I might have found the problem, there was a crontab for 'nobody' that had the various mailman tasks in it. Mailman runs as the user mailman, not nobody. See if that eliminates the issue. -- Personal isn't the same as important -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] permission denied error
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/ mailman/config.pck' all the config.pck files have the same permissions though: 10 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 8556 Jul 21 12:00 list1/config.pck 8 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 7825 Mar 11 12:00 list1/ config.pck.corrupt 10 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 8556 Jul 21 09:00 list1/ config.pck.last 8 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 7825 Mar 11 12:10 list1/ config.pck.safety 10 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 9678 Jul 21 12:00 list2/config.pck 10 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 9678 Jul 21 09:00 list2/ config.pck.last 4 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3640 Jul 21 12:00 mailman/config.pck 4 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3640 Mar 11 12:00 mailman/ config.pck.corrupt 4 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3640 Jul 21 09:00 mailman/ config.pck.last 4 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3640 Mar 11 12:07 mailman/ config.pck.safety $ bin/check_perms -f No problems found -- I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Administrivia
On 12-Jun-2009, at 14:32, Brad Rogers wrote: In my case, it was that the people attempting to (un)subscribe were sending their requests with a plain text *and* an HTML part. The combination of the two parts added up to far more than the allowed number of lines for a message to be treated as administrivia, s was passed on to the list processing software, which promptly strips the HTML part, leaving just the one word message that arrived at the list. Is it possible that the same thing is happening on your list? Yeah, that sounds likely. I'll check on that 'fix' Mark posted. -- Rule #5: Get Kirsten Dunst Wet -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Administrivia
I have Administrivia turned on for a list, but people keep sending subscribe requests to the list address (because they are morons, I guess, I send them the subscribe address). Anyway, the administrivia setting does not pick up these messages and I end up with them in the admin queue and end up manually adding them to the subscribers list and purging the message. Can I get administrivia to process subscribe request? message will come in with the single word subject of subscribe sometimes with a single word body of subscribe or sometimes no body. The help says Administrivia tests will check postings to see whether it's really meant as an administrative request (like subscribe, unsubscribe, etc), and will add it to the the administrative requests queue, notifying the administrator of the new request, in the process. but at least on my system, this doesn't seem to happen. -- Q: Does anyone know how many LOCs were in the Space Shuttle' codebase? A: 45. It was written in perl (paraphrased Slashdot discussion) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] name 'mailman' is not defined
After getting everything working and walking away from the computer for the weekend+Monday I am seeing this in the logs: (Command died with status 1: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post hgt- school. Command output: Traceback (most recent call last): File / usr/local/mailman/scripts/post, line 32, in module from Mailman import mm_cfg File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py, line 57, in module add_virtualhost(mailman.covisp.net, mail.covisp.net) NameError: name 'mailman' is not defined ) mm_cfg.py has: VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() add_virtualhost(mailman.covisp.net, mail.covisp.net) -- Amazingly Beautiful Creatures Dancing Excites the Forest Glade, in my Heart how I do Jump like the Kudo Listen to the Music so Nice the Organ Plays. Quietly Rests the Sleepy Tiger Under the Vine tree at the Water's side and X marks the spot 'neath the Yellow moon where the Zulu king and I did hide. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] name 'mailman' is not defined
On 2-Jun-2009, at 19:21, Mark Sapiro wrote:
If you would rather put the values in the add_virtualhost() line,
that's OK, but since they are values, they have to be quoted as
add_virtualhost('mailman.covisp.net', 'mail.covisp.net')
Ah-hah! thanks, that was it.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
On 31-May-2009, at 19:23, Mark Sapiro wrote: LuKreme wrote: Is there anyway to have it never ever use the new (well, not new anymore, I suppose) alphabetic chunks no matter what? I'd much prefer 100 per page, for as many pages as it takes. It's been an RFE for some time https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266715. I understand that for lists of one or two hundred members, it might be desirable to show two to four pages of 50, but with thousands of members, the alphabetic chunks may be preferred. Yep, I can see that for lists of thousands of users it might be useful. But really, that's a tiny minority of lists. Most mailing lists are from a couple of dozen to a couple of hundred users. It seems like a tiered 'chunk size' might be useful. (Under 500 users, use x users per page, over 500 use alphabetics pages). Or, probably the best solution, given a list of say 198 users and a chunk-size of 50, display the pages like this: A-Fr Fu-Le Li-Ru Sa-Za (50) (50) (50) (48) assuming that users include a...@example.com and f...@example.com and fun...@example.com and l...@example.com and li...@example.com and rug...@example.com and sa...@example.com and z...@example.com. You're welcome to submit a patch. Ah, well, yeah. That might be realistic if 1) I was a real programmer instead of just a dabbler and 2) I spoke python. -- Beware of the Leopard! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
On 1-Mar-2009, at 08:22, Mark Sapiro wrote: This is not the way the Membership Management... - Membership List page in recent Mailman works. If there are more than admin_member_chunksize members, the list is broken into pages by the first character of the email address. I have a list with 32 users and I get this (annoying) display instead of just a list of users. As far as I could tell, there is no default value for this, and if it is unset, even one users causes this display. I have mm_cfg.py:ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100 mm_cfg.py:DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100 (The first value did nothing so I tried the second as well) But am still getting the initial letter display in the membership screen 33 members total, 1 shown. Is there some way to disable this completely? I want a display that shows the first 50 users (or 25, or 100, or whatever I set) on the first screen, then the next chunk on the next screen, c. This initial letter thing is wretched. -- I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
On 31-May-2009, at 15:15, Mark Sapiro wrote: #!/bin/sh f=`mktemp` echo admin_member_chunksize = 5000 $f bin/config_list -i $f LISTNAME rm $f this got me: usage: mktemp [-d] [-q] [-t prefix] [-u] template ... mktemp [-d] [-q] [-u] -t prefix I did this manually and got: Non-standard property restored: admin_member_chunksize is that an error or a success? -- Two, Four, Six, Eight! Time to Transubstantiate! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Creating a new list fails
On 30-May-2009, at 15:42, Mark Sapiro wrote: See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/fIA9 for why you should make this change in mm_cfg.py, not Defaults.py. OK, but the settings in Defaults.py were from 2007, when the machine was named 'akane' and it had an alias as 'mail'. Now the machine is named mail and 'akane' is just a DNS alias. I went ahead and added the lines to mm_cfg.py so they won't get blow away, but don't see any reason to restore the lines in Defaults.py as it will be overwritten when I finally get around to updating. -- Love seekest only self to please, To bind another to its delight Joys in another's loss of ease And builds a hell in Heaven's despite! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
On 31-May-2009, at 15:48, Mark Sapiro wrote: So now your Membership List for that list will be all on one page until it exceeds 5000 members at which point it will be in alphabetical chunks. Well, I set it to 100, not 5000 :) Is there anyway to have it never ever use the new (well, not new anymore, I suppose) alphabetic chunks no matter what? I'd much prefer 100 per page, for as many pages as it takes. -- Nothing gold can stay -- Robert Frost Stay gold -- Johnny Cade -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Admin Password?
Where is the site administrators password set in the mailman config? You must have the proper authorization to create new mailing lists. Each site should have a list creator's password, which you can enter in the field at the bottom. Note that the site administrator's password can also be used for authentication. -- Heisenberg's only uncertainty was what pub to vomit in next and Jung fancied Freud's mother too. -- Jared Earle -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Creating a new list fails
$ bin/newlist -l en --urlhost=mailman.covisp.net --emailhost=kreme.com hgt-sch...@kreme.com kr...@kreme.com Initial hgt-school password: Create a new, unpopulated mailing list. Usage: bin/newlist [options] [listname [listadmin-addr [admin- password]]] [ bunch of stuff] Illegal list name: hgt-sch...@akane (akane is the hostname of the local machine. I have existing lists at http://mailman.covisp.net/mailman/admin but none are public) -- No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Creating a new list fails
On 30-May-2009, at 12:53, Mark Sapiro wrote: LuKreme wrote: $ bin/newlist -l en --urlhost=mailman.covisp.net -- emailhost=kreme.com hgt-sch...@kreme.com kr...@kreme.com Initial hgt-school password: Create a new, unpopulated mailing list. Usage: bin/newlist [options] [listname [listadmin-addr [admin- password]]] [ bunch of stuff] Illegal list name: hgt-sch...@akane The short answer is DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST must be a fully qualified doman name. kreme.com _IS_ a fqdn. Or are we talking about a setting somwhere else? I do have several lists up and running, but they were all created years ago and have been pretty much left alone. If I trey to create a list via the web interface I get a different error: Error: Unknown virtual host: mailman.covisp.net The underlying issue is the MailList.Create() method as called by bin/newlist validates the list name by checking that listn...@default_email_host is a valid email address. So I need to create the listname aliases before the list is created? This check in turn requires at least one dot '.' in the domain part. I which domain part? My mm_cfg.py is very simple: ### # Here's where we get the distributed defaults. from Defaults import * ## # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100 OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes ADMINDB_PAGE_TEXT_LIMIT = 4096 OWNERS_CAN_DELETE_THEIR_OWN_LISTS = Yes HOLD_MESSAGES_AS_PICKLES = No -- The person on the other side was a young woman. Very obviously a young woman. There was no possible way that she could have been mistaken for a young man in any language, especially Braille. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Creating a new list fails
On 30-May-2009, at 14:55, LuKreme wrote: I which domain part? My mm_cfg.py is very simple: OK, I fixed this by editing Defaults.py -- The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Creating a new list fails
On 30-May-2009, at 14:55, LuKreme wrote: I which domain part? My mm_cfg.py is very simple: I managed to fix this by editing Defaults.py DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.covisp.net' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.covisp.net' Everything seems to work as it did before. Yay! (both values were set to 'akane' before, which is an alias for the machine) -- MEGAHAL: within my penguin lies a torrid story of hate and love. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman install
On 18-May-2009, at 08:35, Mark Sapiro wrote: In order to provide some security against just anyone with shell access being able to run the wrapper from the command line, upon invocation the wrapper checks the original group with which the MTA invoked the wrapper, and if it is not the group the wrapper expects, the wrapper issues the group mismatch error. This is all explained in more detail in the FAQ. Yes, but the MTA did not change. Recompiling mailman via ports with the same options it had been compiled with before failed (WITH_MAIL_GID=mailman). Restoring from backup (which files are gid mailman) worked. Same permissions on the mailman executable: 14 -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 13661 Jun 8 2007 mail/mailman -- There is a road, no simple highway, between the dawn and the dark of night -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman install
I have had mailman running for many years now, and have updated it semi regularly over the years (currently 2.1.9). A few days ago, I tried to post a message to a list I host and got: Command died with status 4: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post listname. Command output: No such file or directory I went in and tried to look at the install, but everything appeared to be fine. So I tried to reinstall via portupgrade mailman. After the upgrade completed, I got this error: Command died with status 2: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post gfamily. Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group mailman, but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group nobody. This is odd since my current install of mailman has permissions like this: So I tried $ export MM_USERNAME=nobody $ export MM_GROUPNAME=nobody $ export MM_USERID=65534 and made sure that in pkgtools.conf I had 'mail/mailman' = 'WITH_MAIL_GID=nobody', and ran the port install again, only to get the same error. At each step I ran bin/check_perms and nothing was wrong. Finally I just went into my backups and restored /usr/local/mailman with a cp -rp and now everything works (except ports thinks I have version 2.1.11) So, for future reference, what SHOULD I have done? And does anyone know how to tell ports I have 2.1.9 instead of 2.1.11? -- Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman install
[oops, left something out] This is odd since my current install of mailman has permissions like this: 8 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rootmailman 7622 Jun 8 2007 add_members 6 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rootmailman 6008 Jun 8 2007 arch 4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 rootmailman 2569 Jun 8 2007 b4b5-archfix mailman was compiled on my system with GID mailman, but trying to setup 2.1.11 with the same build options fails, so assuming I upgrade at some point, how do I get this to work? -- Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman install
On 17-May-2009, at 19:29, Mark Sapiro wrote: status 4: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post listname. Command output: No such file or directory status 4 means the execve that runs python returned. The no such file or directory can refer to either /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman or to the path to Python that the mail wrapper is using. Very odd, the path was there, the executable was there, permissions where right, and python appeared to be running. I certainly didn't do anything to change python's settings either before or after. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/tYA9 to understand more about this error. My confusion about the error is that mailman has ALWAYS been setu for uid/gid mailman, and has been for years and years. If you have a file named last_mailman_version in Mailman's data/ directory, it probably has contents 0x2010bf0 If so, change the contents to 0x20109f0 That file has the right info, it's just the ports DB that is off since I replaced the install from backups 'behind its back'. -- What are you, Ghouls? There are no dead students here. This week. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] bots subscribing to lists via web forms to avoidmember-only restrictions
On 6-Jan-2008, at 14:02, Mark Sapiro wrote: Are there plans to enhance the web subscription form with a type of captcha, or other technique to discourage bots? There is no current plan. There really should be. -- I mistoke thee for thy better Hamlet Act III scene 4 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Approve subscription requests via mail
On 21-Nov-2006, at 19:50, Brad Knowles wrote: At 8:47 AM -0800 11/21/06, Mark Sapiro wrote: I already tried that. Didn't seem to work. Did you restart Mailman? Archiving keeps an in-memory template cache which needs to be refreshed by a restart. Crap. No, I didn't restart. You'd think that after several years of administering Mailman, I'd remember stuff like that. Why? how often do you restart mailman? If you're like me, the last time I actually restarted mailman was around 1999 :) -- I'm no psychologist (although I play one when I'm picking up chicks over by the asylum) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Stitching together archives
On 26 Jul 2004, at 18:07, Spencer Yost wrote: About half of my archives were deleted by an over-zealous and under-smart system administrator. Fortunately I have a backup (so this is why you do backups! ) that is only missing a few days of the archives. What the hell does this have to do with the VERP + Postfix message your replied to? -- Well I've seen the Heart of Darkness/Read the writing on the wall/and the voice out in the desert/Was the voice out in the hall -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages
On 22 Jul 2004, at 21:38, Mark Sapiro wrote: VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes Does this take affect immediately, or do I have to do something to the mm_cfg.py file after I do this? Restart mailman? Anything? -- The older you get the more you need the people you knew when you were young. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages
On 23 Jul 2004, at 02:50, Brad Knowles wrote: I created http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.052.htp based on this thread. This is a much better answer than telling people to hack the source code Changing local configuration in mm_cfg.py is not hacking the source code -- No man is free who is not master of himself -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Rejecting posts
On 21 Jul 2004, at 21:59, Mark Sapiro wrote:
LuKreme wrote:
I spend most of my time now with mailing lists manually rejecting
posts
from non-members from the dozens and dozens of spam messages each
lists
gets on a daily basis. Is there some way to auto-reject or auto-drop
posts from non-subscribers that is more elegant than simply dumping
the
entire admin db?
Go to the list administration-Privacy options...-Sender filters page,
scroll to the bottom and select Reject or Discard for Action to
take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is
defined.
Doh! I'd swear I looked there...
There are sometimes posts that exceed the size limit or cc limit that
I
do approve, so simply discarding the entire spool of admin messages is
not a solution.
If you're routinely approving these
Nope, it's a case by case basis. I have the limit set to 128K which is
more than enough for most anything, but sometimes someone has a picture
that really would lose too much being shrunk down. I send a warning
message out (this is a family/friends private list) before hand and
then approve it. Thanks for the pointer though.
Whilst I have your attention is:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
legal for the regex match in the discard_these_nonmembers
how about
[EMAIL PROTECTED]|k].com
(That is to say, when it say regex does it really mean regex and what
flavour of regex?)
^[:digit:]{4,7}[bcdefghjklmnpqrstvwxz]{2,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
??
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question
On 21 Jul 2004, at 21:20, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: [ Excellent stuff snipped, go back and read it again ] it only marginally increases the cost to spammers to send spam messages individually In fact, nearly all spam is sent as individual messages anyway, with forged return headers. I often get identical spams on several of my accounts at about the same time, but everyone, when checking postfix logs, was an individual email. Also, in most cases there is _NO_ cost to spammers, since they tend to use zombied PCs or open relays. -- I AM ZOMBOR! (kelly) ZOMBOR! -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Auto-Rejecting posts
I spend most of my time now with mailing lists manually rejecting posts from non-members from the dozens and dozens of spam messages each lists gets on a daily basis. Is there some way to auto-reject or auto-drop posts from non-subscribers that is more elegant than simply dumping the entire admin db? There are sometimes posts that exceed the size limit or cc limit that I do approve, so simply discarding the entire spool of admin messages is not a solution. I am running 2.1.3, but am willing to upgrade to 2.15 or even a cvs nightly to take care of this. -- The Piper's calling you to join him-- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatically rejecting posts by non-members
On Apr 10, 2004, at 3:20 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: We are currently locked into Mailman 2.0.6 until we upgrade our server. One of our list owners who runs a moderated list would like to be able to reject all posts from non-members automatically so the only things that hit the pending requests are subscription requests and posts by legitimate members Yeah, join the club. Is there a filter available similar to the MIME strippers or Has someone patched Mailman to do something like this? Is there a built-in filter in 2.1.x. 2.1 has a built in mime-filter and can strip mime attachaments and convert HTML to text. There is a method to deal with the admin queue in the FAQ, iirc, but it is fugly (it involves running a cron that wipes out the admin db and replaces it with a clean copy. -- A vote for Nader is a vote for George Bush. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
On Apr 10, 2004, at 3:19 PM, Dave C. wrote: # better tools for the membership management page. i.e. divide chunks alphabetically, and add a search for member by regexp field. (Done) While this is fantastic to have be what is displayed by detault, what seems to have been forgotten, is: Provide a link or button to request that the full member roster be displayed on one page, regardless of the number of members At least, I cant seem to find a way to do it. If you find a way, let me know It might also be better to provide an option to divide the list into chunks, but not have a seperate page for each letter/character. Chunks of 100 would be infinitely more useful than chunks by initial letter. 2 members starting with a 5 members starting with b 10 members starting with c 6 members starting with d 12 members starting with e 4 members starting with f 6 members starting with g 10 ... h Having to display each of those on a seperate page is tedious to work with in the UI. Instead, on the a page, display the 2 a's, the 5 b's, the 10 c's, the 6 d's, and the first 7 e's. The 'e' page, would display, all 12 e's, I would argue that. Having the same emails adispalyed on successive pages would be confusing. Page 1: A-d page 2: e-g page 4: h... wopuld be a better way to go in this regard, or else simply cut at 30 per page with no overlaps. -- A vote for Nader is a vote for George Bush. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
On Apr 11, 2004, at 12:25 PM, texas critter wrote: LuKreme wrote: Chunks of 100 would be infinitely more useful than chunks by initial letter. It's in the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.030.htp You must have root access to the server to do this. This also appears to only apply to new lists, for existing lists, I've had to edit the config for each list to change it. Well, the default is 30 and mm does NOT show 30 on every single page. It shows 30 on a particualr letter page. That is to say: a = 45 subs b = 18 subs c = 31 subs x = 4 subs a will yield two pages (30 and 15 each) b will have one page etc. etc. -- A vote for Nader is a vote for George Bush. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman won't send confirm emails when subscribing OS X
On Apr 8, 2004, at 2:16 AM, Jamie L. Penman-Smithson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:32:16 +1000, Jason Marty scribbled down: In OS X sorry to post twice but I left this off. Mailman won't send confirm emails when subscribing. It used to work and it unsubscribes as it should but it anyone trying to subscribe is described in the log file as pending and is never activated because the confirm email is not posted. Any ideas?? This is a FAQ - http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.14 This is not the behavior I've seen with mailman. I've had it where everything works perfectly: messages go to subscribers, unsusbs are processed, bounce notifications happen. Just subscribe request s go into pending limbo, or confirmations are sent and the user is not added. It seems to clear up after manually adding someone... but I've not really tracked it down. -- A vote for Nader is a vote for George Bush. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Not all mail getting delivered
On Apr 8, 2004, at 10:23 PM, Ryan Verner wrote: too many errors after RCPT from server Googling on the error message (always a good idea) http://www.google.com/search? q=too%20many%20errors%20after%20RCPT%20from%20server brings up this thread: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2002-10/ thread.html#2726 fix appears to be setting smtpd_hard_error_limit from sample-smtpd.cf: # The smtpd_hard_error_limit parameter specifies an error count upper # limit. The SMTP server disconnects after an SMTP client makes this # number of errors within a session. # smtpd_hard_error_limit = 20 try increasing that to 30, or 50, or whatever. (and this question really should have been posted on a postfix list if posted at all) -- A vote for Nader is a vote for George Bush. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Replying to owner notifcation not working
when I get a message from one of my mailing lists saying that ListA post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] requires approval it says in the message body: If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is spam trouble is, when I do this the message is NOT discarded, I simply get the message I replied to delivered to me as the list owner. Mailman 2.1.3 from maillog: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=4, status=sent (|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner listA) -- A vote for Nader is a vote for George Bush. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: security on an announce-only list
On Monday, Jun 16, 2003, at 02:31 Canada/Mountain, Jeroen Valcke wrote: In 'membership management' I disabled moderation for people who should be able to send msgs to the list. NO, tun on moderation for EVERYONE. When someone wants to post, the start their message with Approved: listpassword the message gets posted and the Approved: header is stripped. -- As God as my witness, I though turkey's could fly, Arthur Carlson, WKRP in Cincinnati -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] dumpdb (now what?)
I've searched the archive an all Iv'e found is other people asking this question with no answers. I have a dumpdb of a list. I want to setup a new list with all those options. I also want to get all the users from the original list into the new list on the new server without those users having to do ANYTHING. (The list address is not changing, just the machine) How? I want to be able to import all the users without have to have them reset their passwords, for example. I thought i had everything setup, I even thought I'd gotten synclist to import my list of users, but I keep getting: Command died with status 1: /usr/home/mailman/mail/mailman post listname in maillog and no other info. -- There's a light that shines on everything everyone. And it shines so bright - brighter even than the sun. hat's what Minnie thinks as she walks to meet her brother, who is nearly two years older, on a Saturday night. He's DJ-ing at some do on the edge of town on the night that Minnie Timperley died. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Moving ~mailman to a new machine
I currently have mailman installed on my home machine and use fetchmail to grab list posts, process them on my machine, and then post them. I am going to be replacing my mailserver with a freeBSD machine and want to move mailman to that machine. I want the move to be transparent to the users with the exception that the webface address will change to match the listname domain. what prep steps do I need to take once I get mailman installed on the BSD machine before I move all the lists over? Can I move all the lists intact including users and archives, or do I need to recrate the lists? what's the best way? I'm thinking that simply tarring up the ~mailman and depositing it on the new machine is NOT the best idea. -- Don't be nice. It's Creepy. Tendo Akane -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Approved: Header
I checked the FAQ for info on the Approved header, but although I found references to using it, I didn't find references to exactly HOW to use it. All I want is for a poster to a list to put an Approved line as the first line of the body and then have that line stripped before the message is passed to the list. How do I set this up and what needs to be on the approved line? -- The older you get the more you need the people you knew when you were young. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Postfix version? (Was Re: Mailman and Postfix *2*?)
On Monday, Feb 24, 2003, at 09:28 Canada/Mountain, John Redmond wrote: I installed 2.1 with Postfix 2.0.3 and all appears well. Mind you this is based on simple testing with low traffic, as I'm just getting ready to test with for actual users! Curiously, I can't seem to figure out what version of postfix is installed. There's no version flag that I can see in the man page. I mean, I THINK I am running 2.0.0.2, but that's just based on a faint recollection of installing that version. -- Sarah, age 18, says man, once you go crayola you can't go back. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] permission errors
I keep getting these errors in the errr log. Seems every day the config.pck files are created as user www, group mailman, and permissions of 660. Feb 24 23:15:02 2003 gate_news(28507): IOError : [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/Users/mailman/lists/thelist/config.pck' How do I fix this? -- ...when you're no longer searching for beauty or love, just some kind of life with the edges taken off. When you can't even define what it is that you're frightened of; this song will be here. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
