Re: [mailop] DMARC p=quarantine pct=0

2018-04-09 Thread Philip Paeps
On 2018-04-09 11:09:37 (-0500), Jesse Thompson wrote: The amount of DMARC data for a large decentralized university is daunting, so my approach is to compartmentalize issues that can be addressed. Thank you for collecting and analysing this data! Even on a much smaller scale than yours,

Re: [mailop] DMARC with broken DKIM (was: Re: DMARC p=quarantine pct=0)

2018-04-09 Thread John Levine
In article

Re: [mailop] DMARC with broken DKIM (was: Re: DMARC p=quarantine pct=0)

2018-04-09 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >Sometimes I'm thinking DMARC should have enforced DKIM, and not allowed >to have only a match in {SPF, DKIM}, because it leads to issues like >broken-DKIM working-SPF domains not noticing things are wrong even >though they

Re: [mailop] DMARC with broken DKIM

2018-04-09 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 4:55 PM Leo Gaspard wrote: > On 04/10/2018 01:04 AM, Brandon Long wrote: > > We've also seen various banks and other large companies who seem to > > specifically only > > use SPF with DMARC, as a way of disallowing forwarding, I guess. > > > >

Re: [mailop] DMARC with broken DKIM

2018-04-09 Thread Leo Gaspard via mailop
On 04/10/2018 01:04 AM, Brandon Long wrote: > We've also seen various banks and other large companies who seem to > specifically only > use SPF with DMARC, as a way of disallowing forwarding, I guess. > > With ARC, you can actually "pass" the SPF pass through the forwarder. > > Not that there's

Re: [mailop] DMARC with broken DKIM (was: Re: DMARC p=quarantine pct=0)

2018-04-09 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
We've also seen various banks and other large companies who seem to specifically only use SPF with DMARC, as a way of disallowing forwarding, I guess. With ARC, you can actually "pass" the SPF pass through the forwarder. Not that there's anywhere near wide enough acceptance of ARC to make that

[mailop] DMARC with broken DKIM (was: Re: DMARC p=quarantine pct=0)

2018-04-09 Thread Leo Gaspard via mailop
On 04/09/2018 08:45 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote:> Kinda, yes.  Anyone running a non-compliant list server should look to > how other list servers are making themselves compliant.  Could be... > 1) rewrite headers > 2) not break DKIM > 3) ARC? > I don't want to be overly prescriptive (no one in

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-09 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:54 PM John R Levine wrote: > > We announced that it was supported back in 2014: > > > https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2014/08/a-first-step-toward-more-global-email.html > > > > Were you referring to something else? > > No, I just wasn't paying attention.

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-09 Thread John R Levine
We announced that it was supported back in 2014: https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2014/08/a-first-step-toward-more-global-email.html Were you referring to something else? No, I just wasn't paying attention. Oops. Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-09 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 7:57 AM John Levine wrote: > In article < > ofc0fea11b.05dda05c-onc125826a.0038eb98-c125826a.0038f...@notes.na.collabserv.com> > you write: > >-=-=-=-=-=- > >-=-=-=-=-=- > >-=-=-=-=-=- > > > >Hello folks > > > >I've been tasked with finding out what the

[mailop] Anyone from Port 25 here?

2018-04-09 Thread Alexander Burch
If you are paying for support you can email them at supp...@port25.com. They are usually really quick to respond. Thanks, Alex Alex Burch ActiveCampaign / Deliverability Lead (800) 357-0402 abu...@activecampaign.com 1 N. Dearborn St., Chicago , Il 60602, United States

Re: [mailop] DMARC p=quarantine pct=0

2018-04-09 Thread Jesse Thompson
On 4/9/2018 1:19 PM, Aaron Richton wrote: On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, Jesse Thompson wrote: 2) When people start seeing headers rewritten we can use that as an attention mechanism to make people aware of email authentication as a concept, and convince people to tackle the other indirect mail flow

Re: [mailop] DMARC p=quarantine pct=0

2018-04-09 Thread Aaron Richton
On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, Jesse Thompson wrote: 2) When people start seeing headers rewritten we can use that as an attention mechanism to make people aware of email authentication as a concept, and convince people to tackle the other indirect mail flow issues. What / where are you intending to

[mailop] Anyone from Port 25 here?

2018-04-09 Thread Scot Berggren
Is anyone from Port 25 here, or have a contact? Please contact me offline. Thanks, Scot Berggren | Deliverability and Compliance Manager | Alterian US | +1 720 320-5365 | www.alterian.com ___ mailop mailing list

[mailop] Anyone from UOL here?

2018-04-09 Thread Udeme Ukutt
Please is someone from UOL here, or have a contact? Thanks, Udeme Postmaster at Wish ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] DMARC p=quarantine pct=0

2018-04-09 Thread Jesse Thompson
I really appreciate your thoughts on this. The amount of DMARC data for a large decentralized university is daunting, so my approach is to compartmentalize issues that can be addressed. I'm looking at securing the second-level domain first, with the intention of encouraging campus entities

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-09 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- >-=-=-=-=-=- >-=-=-=-=-=- > >Hello folks > >I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the >support in email headers for International characters such

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-09 Thread Vittorio Bertola
> Il 9 aprile 2018 alle 12.22 Annalivia Ford ha > scritto: > > Hello folks > > I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the > support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 > Charcacters and including things

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-09 Thread Jeremy Harris
On 09/04/18 11:22, Annalivia Ford wrote: > I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the > support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 > Charcacters and including things like accented characters like é and å and > can also include Asian and

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-09 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
The subject is fine. Email addresses have a very limited character set possible. Received headers had better stay pure ASCII. Would that work? From: mailop on behalf of Annalivia Ford Sent: Monday, April 9,

[mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-09 Thread Annalivia Ford
Hello folks I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 Charcacters and including things like accented characters like é and å and can also include Asian and Cyrillic characters. I know there's an

Re: [mailop] Rambler.ru 20 seconds connection delay

2018-04-09 Thread Benjamin BILLON
Thanks all for the feedback, Same as you Andris, nobody is complaining, I was just putting my nose in my stats of time messages spend in queues and the difference with other domains struck me. Cheers, -- Benjamin From: mailop On Behalf Of Andris Reinman Sent:

Re: [mailop] Rambler.ru 20 seconds connection delay

2018-04-09 Thread Andris Reinman
Hi, On our case I think we have always had a 20 sec delay between *every* SMTP command when sending to Rambler, so every message takes at least 60 seconds to deliver. Haven't been a problem, even though messages to Rambler might pile up temporarily if there's lot of trafic to this destination.

Re: [mailop] Rambler.ru 20 seconds connection delay

2018-04-09 Thread Dan Malm
On 04/09/2018 04:23 AM, John Levine wrote: > Simple theory: there are similar delays after EHLO and MAIL FROM, so > they seem to be severly overloaded. Don't take it personally. That's > why your mail server can do a zillion connections at once. As I saw a bunch of joomla sites with unprotected