on Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 09:53:24AM -0800, Brandon Long via mailop wrote:
> You can treat these all as spam, and as misdirected mail, they are. The
> problem is, they aren't usually of a volume that matters and using them to
> block the source is likely to have more false positives than not.
We
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 3:18 PM Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
wrote:
> Dnia 17.01.2020 o godz. 09:49:31 Jay Hennigan via mailop pisze:
> >
> > It's not just Facebook. Lots of sites make you register with an
> > email address to see their content, even if you never intend to
> > interact with them by
Dnia 17.01.2020 o godz. 09:49:31 Jay Hennigan via mailop pisze:
>
> It's not just Facebook. Lots of sites make you register with an
> email address to see their content, even if you never intend to
> interact with them by email. I use one of two methods.
> Mailinator.com is a wonderful method,
On 1/17/20 00:47, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
Hm... I don't understand. I don't use Facebook much, besides administering
some low-traffic fanpage, but AFAIK Facebook sends mail to the e-mail
address you gave when you registered on Facebook. And to register on
Facebook, you must have access
On 2020-01-16 11:16 p.m., M. Omer GOLGELI via mailop wrote:
Guess that is exactly why I don't add a whitelist rule to Facebook mails
and let them rot in Quarantine boxes.
If they send to unverified, non-existing users without content, no
matter where it is from, they are spam.
Especially when
ssary.
>
> Caveat - this anecdote is quite dated. I've no idea what their current
> practice is.
>
> Mark.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jaroslaw Rafa
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> To: M. Omer GOLGELI
> Cc: Mark Foster ; Brandon Long ;
>
Rafa
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 9:47 pm
To: M. Omer GOLGELI
Cc: Mark Foster ; Brandon Long ;
mailop ; Jay Hennigan
Subject: Re: [mailop] [FEEDBACK] Approach to dealing with List Washing
services, industry feedback..
Dnia 17.01.2020 o godz. 07:16:35 M. Omer GOLGELI via mailop pisze:
> Gu
Dnia 17.01.2020 o godz. 07:16:35 M. Omer GOLGELI via mailop pisze:
> Guess that is exactly why I don't add a whitelist rule to Facebook mails and
> let them rot in Quarantine boxes.
> If they send to unverified, non-existing users without content, no matter
> where it is from, they are spam.
Dnia 17.01.2020 o godz. 15:49:27 Mark Foster via mailop pisze:
>
> The amount of spam I receive to gmail is not insignificant.
> I'm in New Zealand, yet i've somehow managed to book travel, accomodation
> and rental vehicles all across the USA. I've somehow managed to opt-in to
> various news
To: Mark Foster mailto:blak...@blakjak.net)>
Cc: Jay Hennigan mailto:mailop-l...@keycodes.com)>;
mailop mailto:mailop@mailop.org)>
Subject: Re: [mailop] [FEEDBACK] Approach to dealing with List Washing
services, industry feedback..
Honestly, that sounds like someone else thinks that's the
: [mailop] [FEEDBACK] Approach to dealing with List Washing
services, industry feedback..
Honestly, that sounds like someone else thinks that's their account... unless
I'm misinterpreting what you're saying. I have a couple friends with common
name accounts, and they get a lot of mail obviously
Honestly, that sounds like someone else thinks that's their account...
unless I'm misinterpreting what you're saying. I have a couple friends
with common name accounts, and they get a lot of mail obviously meant for
other people.
Anyhoo, that's its own major issue that's complicated by sites
I couldn't help but respond to this one...
> I'd say if it's even remotely gray mail, and not pure spam, go for the
> unsubscribe. On Gmail, we only provide a ui unsub link if the sender
> reputation is ok, for example, but arguably anything from a mainstream esp
> or company is fine to unsub
: mailop@mailop.org; Jesse Thompson
Subject: Re: [mailop] [FEEDBACK] Approach to dealing with List Washing
services, industry feedback..
I actually work for a company that sells a validation tool as a part of our
platform and I'm still pretty confused by the appeal of such a thing. As Mr.
Wise
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 9:29 AM Jay Hennigan via mailop
wrote:
> On 1/16/20 07:44, Jesse Thompson via mailop wrote:
>
> > On the other side of the coin, recipients within the same institution
> > are constantly baffled why they keep getting unsolicited marketing from
> > companies who, by all
There are probably some legitimate use cases, such as pre-email validation
attempts before even emailing for opt-in (ie, validating form
subscriptions), and I imagine most esps have their own validation they use
when a customer gives them a new address or list, though that's mostly
trying to
I actually work for a company that sells a validation tool as a part of our
platform and I'm still pretty confused by the appeal of such a thing. As
Mr. Wise said before, "bounce processing!"
I want to believe a legitimate use case for validation exists but if you
collect addresses in an
On 1/16/20 07:44, Jesse Thompson via mailop wrote:
On the other side of the coin, recipients within the same institution
are constantly baffled why they keep getting unsolicited marketing from
companies who, by all appearances, are playing by the rules (except for
the unsolicited part, of
Dnia 16.01.2020 o godz. 15:44:46 Jesse Thompson via mailop pisze:
>
> Another factor that complicates things is that users are afraid to
> unsubscribe (to send the signal directly to the marketer)
> 1) when the message was obviously unsolicited
> 2) because they're constantly told not to click
On 1/6/20 2:04 PM, John Johnstone via mailop wrote:
> It is interesting how quiet it is on this topic.
IMO, that's because it falls into the "I know it when I see it, but I
can't realistically prevent it" category.
Legitimate marketers (for example, some people within my own
institution) have
On 1/3/20 3:14 PM, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote:
Our team is discussing this internally, and curious about others
position on addressing list washing services.. Some are better than
others of course, identifying themselves correctly..
But then there are those on Digital Ocean or AWS
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 12:14:02 -0800, Michael Peddemors via mailop
wrote:
>What is the position of the industry on these issues..
I am sometimes asked for our opinion on which "address verification" service
we might recommend when providing our deliverability consulting service,
usually as part of
Our team is discussing this internally, and curious about others
position on addressing list washing services.. Some are better than
others of course, identifying themselves correctly..
But then there are those on Digital Ocean or AWS that use throwaway
domains, or no clear identifiers..
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