On Tue, 2021-06-01 at 23:55 -0400, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> > All what recipients AND mailers want is a reliable email service,
> >
> You really REALLY do not want your mail provider to deliver every
> message.
Agree. What I do want (but probably not even Santa can give me) is to
make
On Tue, 2021-06-01 at 21:22 -0400, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> if the recipients of the mail don't complain when they
> don't get it, it's hard for the mail system operator to feel very
> motivated
The recipients don't even know they have a reason to complain. The
motivation *should* come
On Fri, 2021-06-04 at 11:16 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
> Sometimes, just out of curiosity, I'm checking MX-es for eg. Internet
> shops in which I shop or other entities I communicate with. Most of
> them have e-mail hosted by their hosting companies (at least MX
> points to the hosting
On Tue, 2021-06-01 at 15:39 -0400, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> It appears that Johann Klasek via mailop <
> klasek+mai...@zid.tuwien.ac.at> said:
> > the aim is, that everyone on the recipient site
> > is obligated to provide best possible reachability.
>
> No, it's to deliver the mail that
). You can also refer your provider to
http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.
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MAIL
FROM command)
>
> Aloha,
> Michael.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mailop On Behalf Of yuv vi
On Thu, 2021-06-03 at 12:20 -0400, Bill Cole via mailop wrote:
> On 2021-06-01 at 21:46:43 UTC-0400 (Tue, 01 Jun 2021 21:46:43 -0400)
> yuv via mailop
> is rumored to have said:
>
> > I do like the fact that if someone puts
> > a letter with my address in a
On Tue, 2021-09-07 at 13:09 -0500, Mike Hammett via mailop wrote:
> I went to sign up for SNDS with my work e-mail. [...] and "You can't
> [...]."
> Well, that's dumb.
That's Microsoft: Size can compensate for dumb, unfortunately.
> What are the rest of you doing in these kinds of scenarios?
On Mon, 2021-09-06 at 18:22 -0500, Al Iverson AND OTHERS via mailop
recommended:
> GMAIL or OFFICE365 or
> The only other one I'd add to that list is probably
> https://smallbusiness.yahoo.com
In response to
> September 7, 2021 10:47 AM, "Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop wrote:
> someone [...]
On Mon, 2021-09-06 at 20:36 -0500, Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote:
> MXroute might be a bit rough around the edges for the average user.
I was intending to try MXroute out. Now I registered. It will take a
little while to look around...
> But an arguably excessive hyper focus on outbound
On Thu, 2021-08-05 at 22:52 +1000, Noel Butler via mailop wrote:
> On 05/08/2021 19:07, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
>
> > I would never block an entire server/provider, no matter big or
> > small, unless the server/provider sends spam *only* and not any
> > legitimate emails.
> >
> pt
On Fri, 2021-09-24 at 12:36 -0400, Bill Cole via mailop wrote:
> Owning an operational domain name makes you a public person.
[...]
> In many places (including the US and at least some European
> countries) you can only own land if your 'title' to that land is
> registered with the government in
On Fri, 2021-10-15 at 18:07 -0500, Mike Jovanovic via mailop wrote:
> Gmail can send email to spam if it arrives in a language that is
> different from the recipient's default language setting.
Do you have evidence to substantiate your claim?
I have plenty of beef with Big Tech, but it is not
On Tue, 2021-10-05 at 18:15 -0700, Brandon Long via mailop wrote:
> larger providers are their own special targets.
Thank you for sharing with us the perspective of a Big service
provider, and how you deal with annoyances on that exa-scale.
> We also see spammers try to use Gmail to spam other
On Fri, 2021-09-24 at 13:36 +0200, Sidsel Jensen via mailop wrote:
> Privacy is sometimes a two-edged sword.
Privacy is a two-concepts word whose combination is misunderstood by
most: Property+Secrecy.
Property: the right to exclude others from using what is yours.
Secrecy: the effort to hide
UPDATE:
* I had waited for the answer to my direct note to Jonathan Mayer and
fell asleep. It arrived at 01:44 EST. This morning I replied to him.
With a direct line of communication open, the letter higher up is on
hold.
* They are currently not sending emails and will be publishing an FAQ
Apology for this diversion, off-topic to the subject of the Ethics
Complaint, but definitely on-topic for mailop.
On Fri, 2021-12-17 at 08:32 -0700, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
> His response to the above was that CAN-SPAM didn't apply as it was
> academic and not commercial email, at which
On Sun, 2021-12-19 at 09:51 -0600, Larry M. Smith via mailop wrote:
> There has been another update, and appears to be well worth a read.
Indeed it is. I have complimented Jonathan for his leadership. His
note is what counts.
I had used some of my snowy/rainy/slushy weekend to research US law.
On Sun, 2021-12-19 at 11:53 -0800, Jay Hennigan via mailop wrote:
> The most obvious and frequently asked question isn't answered or
> even acknowledged in their FAQ.
When lawyers or snake-oil sellers are involved, FAQ stands for
fictionally asked question. And when lawyers of snake-oil sellers
On Sat, 2021-12-18 at 17:02 +, Andrew C Aitchison via mailop wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021, yuv via mailop wrote:
>
> > > When you're one company controlling both backend and all frontend
> >
> > This is the undesirable feature of centralization, I thi
On Mon, 2021-12-27 at 02:44 +0100, Ángel via mailop wrote:
> On 2021-12-23 at 21:02 -0700, Dave Warren via mailop wrote:
> > Even just verifying a phone number adds a real world cost to
> > switching identities which makes blocking far more effective.
>
> There is certainly a cost for casual
On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 12:11 +0100, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote:
> Am 28.12.21 um 11:08 schrieb Alessandro Vesely via mailop:
> > OTOH, if it were possible to ascribe each nastiness to its actual
> > culprit
UNNECESSARY AND
> I'm working on a reputation based system which would use a p2p
On Thu, 2021-12-23 at 21:02 -0700, Dave Warren via mailop wrote:
> On 2021-12-18 08:39, yuv via mailop wrote:
> > On Sat, 2021-12-18 at 15:13 +0100, Alexey Shpakovsky via mailop
> > wrote:
> > > On Sat, December 18, 2021 13:50, yuv via mailop wrote:
> > > &g
On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 21:59 -0500, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> It appears that yuv via mailop said:
> > The first thing to make internet email viable for the future is to
> > establish a defensible perimeter and keep bad actors out. Easier
> > said
> > than done
On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 12:19 -0600, Richard W via mailop wrote:
> Those that advocate IP addresses are PII still drive around with a
> license plate on their car. That's even more PII out in the open as
> that is a static IP.
Those that advocate what is PII and what is not are diverting from
On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 15:27 +0100, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote:
> Am 28.12.21 um 14:31 schrieb yuv via mailop:
> >
> > The problem is behavioral, not technological. More technology is
> > not the solution.
>
> I'm a software developer, not a lawyer
On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 07:17 -0800, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote:
> The world has gone far too anal in it's approach to privacy, at the
> expense of security, IMHO.
The "world" does not understand privacy. Most of the experts who
understand are hired by the entities who stand to lose if the
On Sun, 2021-12-19 at 21:13 -0500, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> tektonic.net
you'd do them a favor if you alerted them that their website is so 2012. Not
just the design: expired certificate and still using an outdated TLS version.
I trust your judgment that they are good at screening
On Fri, 2021-12-17 at 08:08 -0800, Dave Crocker via mailop wrote:
> this particular decision seems bizarre.
bizarre decisions are typical of the evolution of any decision-making
body. Nobody is perfect. We all have our blind spots and their blind
spot happens to be your spotlight, which is why
On Sat, 2021-12-18 at 12:47 +0100, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
> Dnia 17.12.2021 o godz. 13:36:51 Jarland Donnell via mailop pisze:
> > DMARC has become mainstream enough that far more people
> > have a DMARC record than actually know what it's for.
>
> I would blame the "big guys"
On Sat, 2021-12-18 at 15:13 +0100, Alexey Shpakovsky via mailop wrote:
> On Sat, December 18, 2021 13:50, yuv via mailop wrote:
> > What makes the difference between [the smoothly running messaging
> > systems] and internet email?
>
> I believe answer is centralization an
On Fri, 2021-12-17 at 15:21 -0500, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> They don't seem very good at recognizing that at the other end
> of each e-mail there is a person, and that person will be affected.
can you blame them? most ordinary people deal >95% of the time with <5%
of the websites in the
On Wed, 2021-12-15 at 08:53 -0700, Grant Taylor via mailop wrote:
> I feel like the student and the
> professor / powers that be which approved this study should be clued
> into the costs of the research on the rest of the world.
+1
I was writing a nice direct note to Jonathan following Hal Murray's
lead when this email arrived. Obviously too late to be nice. I will
still send it out as an heads up, but I will also finish the Research
Misconduct letter and mail it out this afternoon. After reading
Jonathan's profile, I
On Thu, 2021-12-16 at 12:13 -0500, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> It appears that Al Iverson via mailop said:
> >
> > Maybe let's try not to do something that'll screw up that college
> > kid's life forever over their bit of stupidity.
>
> I'm not worried about the kid. I'm worried that his
Direct note just sent to Jonathan Mayer
below. Letter to the Office of the Dean of the Faculty at Princeton
University will follow later.
Dear Jonathan:
I am a lawyer with an interest in online privacy. You are named as a
"team member" on
On Fri, 2021-07-23 at 21:44 +0200, Thomas Walter via mailop wrote:
> Regarding RFC974
> If the list of MX RRs is not empty, the mailer SHOULD try to
> deliver
> the message to the MXs in order (lowest preference value tried
> first). The mailer IS REQUIRED to attempt delivery to the
On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 13:56 -0400, Bill Cole via mailop wrote:
> On 2021-07-18 at 06:43:51 UTC-0400 (Sun, 18 Jul 2021 12:43:51 +0200)
> Slavko via mailop
> is rumored to have said:
>
> [...]
>
> > The only usable way seems to be GoiIP blocking countries, but i
> > afraid
> > that it is wrong
On Mon, 2021-07-26 at 18:34 +0200, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote:
> On Tue 20/Jul/2021 04:17:31 +0200 Ángel via mailop wrote:
> > On 2021-07-19 at 23:27 +0200, Slavko wrote:
> > > Dňa Sun, 18 Jul 2021 13:56:18 -0400 Bill Cole:
> > >
> > > > > The only usable way seems to be GoiIP blocking
On Wed, 2022-02-02 at 11:20 +0100, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
> Dnia 2.02.2022 o godz. 10:47:33 Carsten Schiefner via mailop pisze:
> > I start to earnestly wonder when folks [...]
> > will attempt to regain knowledge to run their own and small-scale
> > mail systems again
>
> I think it
:
> On 2021-12-29 at 07:40:01 UTC-0500 (Wed, 29 Dec 2021 07:40:01 -0500)
> yuv via mailop
> is rumored to have said:
>
> > On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 21:59 -0500, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> > > It appears that yuv via mailop said:
> > > > The first thing to ma
On Mon, 2022-04-18 at 06:16 +0200, Paul Vixie via mailop wrote:
> the original RBL (at MAPS, this was) was an
> attempt (by me, and then by others) to "keep the noise down so that
> e-mail is usable". you should be able to verify from where you sit
> that (a) we did not achieve that goal, (b) we
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