Re: VIRGIL: RE: Panegyric Re Natural Law and Law of Nations

1998-07-23 Thread parcob
I am still digesting the material which has come down the line from Leofranc et al. on this topic, but I would like to throw in one small caveat, leaving sympathy and emotion aside, there is a developing idea of natural law/justice versus custom or the law of individual nations, which I believe

Re: VIRGIL: RE: Panegyric

1998-07-16 Thread parcob
I think what we see here is the historically observable tendency for the 'leading' genre of a period to subsume roles and even other genres. Epic had a head start on this since ancient theorists apparently derived most other genres from the epic - even pastoral. HCOB

Re: VIRGIL: RE: Panegyric

1998-07-16 Thread WRHare
After reading all of the replies, I find that one name is conspicuously absent from the list--Dr. Holford Strevens, a man whose commentary is often delightfully instructive and insightful. I for one would like to read what he might have to say about IV. Please, Sir, may I have some more . . .

Re: VIRGIL: RE: Panegyric, was: a question on book iv

1998-07-16 Thread Robin Kornman
This explanation is interesting,but a bit cryptic. Could you expand? Robin Kornman In the Eudemian Ethics (1219b) Aristotle distinguishes between encomium, praise and felicitation: dio heteron eudaimonismos kai epainos kai enko:mion. to men gar enko:mion logos tou kath' hekaston ergou, ho d'

Re: VIRGIL: RE: Panegyric

1998-07-16 Thread Philip Thibodeau
There's certainly no question that Donatus and Servius saw one of the most important purposes of the Aeneid to be praise of Augustus, but I think it important to keep in mind that they are advancing interpretations from a grammarian's point of view. And the grammarians tend to be very sympathetic

Re: VIRGIL: RE: Panegyric

1998-07-16 Thread James Lewis
At 12:46 PM -0400 7/16/98, Philip Thibodeau wrote: There's certainly no question that Donatus and Servius saw one of the most important purposes of the Aeneid to be praise of Augustus, but I think it important to keep in mind that they are advancing interpretations from a grammarian's point of

Re: VIRGIL: RE: Panegyric, was: a question on book iv

1998-07-15 Thread David Wilson-Okamura
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:31:24 +0200 From: Jorge Fernandez Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:39 PM 7/14/98 +, Yvan Nadeau wrote: The problem about email is that it induces action rather than reflection. I think I shall give it up. I'm not sure it's any worse than conversation in that regard,

Re: VIRGIL: RE: Panegyric, was: a question on book iv

1998-07-15 Thread cperkel
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Re: VIRGIL: RE: Panegyric

1998-07-15 Thread James Lewis
At 1:25 PM -0400 7/15/98, Philip Thibodeau wrote: There's certainly no question that Donatus and Servius saw one of the most important purposes of the Aeneid to be praise of Augustus, but I think it important to keep in mind that they are advancing interpretations from a grammarian's point of

Re: VIRGIL: RE: Panegyric, was: a question on book iv

1998-07-14 Thread Yvan Nadeau
means? I didn't think so, but am happy to stand corrected. The problem about email is that it induces action rather than reflection. I think I shall give it up. From: Mallon, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VIRGIL: RE

Re: VIRGIL: RE: Panegyric, was: a question on book iv

1998-07-14 Thread David Wilson-Okamura
At 10:39 PM 7/14/98 +, Yvan Nadeau wrote: The problem about email is that it induces action rather than reflection. I think I shall give it up. I'm not sure it's any worse than conversation in that regard, but I think Yvan's right about the epic/panegyric distinction: it probably didn't