Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Drew, 2011/5/12 drew d...@baseanswers.com On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0300, luiz wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: And this recalls another concern of ours: there are 4 brazilians as TDF members/founders. I count 3: Claudio, David and Olivier. Eliane Domingos is the fourth. //drew Hi Luiz. It was simply that I knew there was at least four members from Brasil - I recalled seeing a blog by Olivier Hallot on the subject. http://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2011/05/novo-membro-da-document-foundation.html You are going places in your reply however where I have no business going. Best wishes, Drew As far as I can tell, this link is quite clear: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ I don't see Eliane Domingos in that list. Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Luiz, 2011/5/12 luiz lcolui...@gmail.com Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: And this recalls another concern of ours: there are 4 brazilians as TDF members/founders. I count 3: Claudio, David and Olivier. Eliane Domingos is the fourth. //drew I'm very curious to know what the criterion for immediate her acceptance. And the Paulo refused. Most translations of the Brazilian portal (pt-br.libreoffice.org) was that he didand other contributors, but who signed? I answer: Eliane and Gustavo and Olivier... So all this discussion, Luiz, seems to really be about the fact that the Brazilian community has interpersonal problems. And now you are now second-guessing and badmouthing the Membership committee (of which I'm not part). Obviously this may not exactly be the best way to carry your message You know why only Olivier translates LibreOffice (l10n)to Brazilian portuguese? Because he does not let anyone else help. Now, Rogério Luz is trying to help. But I think it is not easy. Perhaps it's because this is the marketing list and you don't feel bound by the reality of development and localization process. Just take a look at the l10n infrastructure and process, and you might realize that your words are not very credible. We've released LibreOffice 3.3, 3.3.1, 3.3.2, and we're now on beta stage of the 3.4. After 7 months you are complaining you 're being bullied by Olivier? Sorry, but I get the feeling that your accusations become more extreme at each email. Best, Charles. Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Charles, You wrote: Drew, 2011/5/12 drew d...@baseanswers.com On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0300, luiz wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: And this recalls another concern of ours: there are 4 brazilians as TDF members/founders. I count 3: Claudio, David and Olivier. Eliane Domingos is the fourth. //drew Hi Luiz. It was simply that I knew there was at least four members from Brasil - I recalled seeing a blog by Olivier Hallot on the subject. http://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2011/05/novo-membro-da-document-foundation.html You are going places in your reply however where I have no business going. Best wishes, Drew As far as I can tell, this link is quite clear: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ I don't see Eliane Domingos in that list. So don't comment on what you expect, but read what is written: Paulo did refer to founding members and actual TDF members. Please have a look here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ Regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE : [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Le 12 mai 2011, 10:01 AM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at a écrit : Charles, You wrote: Drew, 2011/5/12 drew d...@baseanswers.comOn Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0... So don't comment on what you expect, but read what is written: Paulo did refer to founding members and actual TDF members. Please have a look here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ Regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http:/... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi all, On 12/05/2011 11:00, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Charles, You wrote: Drew, 2011/5/12 drewd...@baseanswers.com On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0300, luiz wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: And this recalls another concern of ours: there are 4 brazilians as TDF members/founders. I count 3: Claudio, David and Olivier. Eliane Domingos is the fourth. //drew Hi Luiz. It was simply that I knew there was at least four members from Brasil - I recalled seeing a blog by Olivier Hallot on the subject. http://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2011/05/novo-membro-da-document-foundation.html You are going places in your reply however where I have no business going. Best wishes, Drew As far as I can tell, this link is quite clear: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ I don't see Eliane Domingos in that list. So don't comment on what you expect, but read what is written: Paulo did refer to founding members and actual TDF members. But as a member of the committee, what I see is that Paulo membership application is in review and have not been refused nor accepted. So this is simply not true that we have favored anybody here, and the review period is necessary for us when we have to check the participation, even more in another language than English. We are just volunteers trying to get the things correctly done too. And if there is an issue with a decision of the committee, feel free to claim for explanation on the steering discuss list. Thanks in advance Kind regards Sophie Please have a look here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ Regards Bernhard -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE : [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Bernhard, I'm not commenting on what I expect. Paulo's sentence if yesterday was quite clear. There aren't 4 brazilian founders of tdf, and I sure hope there will be more than 4 brazilian members of TDF. But then I find that reasoning on the base of nationality is not the best way to look at our membership... Charles. Le 12 mai 2011, 10:01 AM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at a écrit : Charles, You wrote: Drew, 2011/5/12 drew d...@baseanswers.comOn Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0... So don't comment on what you expect, but read what is written: Paulo did refer to founding members and actual TDF members. Please have a look here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ Regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http:/... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork)
Hi Drew Le 2011-05-12 01:16, drew a écrit : Thanks for doing this Drew. I think we need to review all of the marketing tools and add the scatter wherever we can. It just jazzes up everything really well. The only comments I have is p.1, 3rd panel The Multi-language office suite for should be capitalized as it is a title and looks a little unbalanced. Would it be OK to put: Multi-Language Office Suite for Microsoft Window Gnu/Linux Mac OSX Alright This would give it a triangular shape, lead the reader to the bottom LibreOffice logo and I think it would look nicer to the eye. If we do this, then we would want to copy this list order on p.2, panel 1 and have: MS Windows, Gnu/Linux, Mac OS X and OK There was also some feedback, via PM, from Tim - so here you go, with all of the changes http://lo-portal.us/temp/LibOPamphlet-may-11b.pdf //drew Great work! Reads well and looks great! Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork)
Hi :) I know Bsd is not hugely well-known as a desktop but apparently LibreOffice works on the Bsd distros too, not just Windows, Linux Mac. Regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 12 May, 2011 10:23:26 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork) Hi Drew Le 2011-05-12 01:16, drew a écrit : Thanks for doing this Drew. I think we need to review all of the marketing tools and add the scatter wherever we can. It just jazzes up everything really well. The only comments I have is p.1, 3rd panel The Multi-language office suite for should be capitalized as it is a title and looks a little unbalanced. Would it be OK to put: Multi-Language Office Suite for Microsoft Window Gnu/Linux Mac OSX Alright This would give it a triangular shape, lead the reader to the bottom LibreOffice logo and I think it would look nicer to the eye. If we do this, then we would want to copy this list order on p.2, panel 1 and have: MS Windows, Gnu/Linux, Mac OS X and OK There was also some feedback, via PM, from Tim - so here you go, with all of the changes http://lo-portal.us/temp/LibOPamphlet-may-11b.pdf //drew Great work! Reads well and looks great! Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork)
Le 2011-05-12 05:52, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) I know Bsd is not hugely well-known as a desktop but apparently LibreOffice works on the Bsd distros too, not just Windows, Linux Mac. Regards from Tom :) Are these officially supported? We should only mention officially supported platforms. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork)
Hi :) Hah, i can't find it in the downloads drop-down any-more. I'm sure it was there quite recently. There was documentation on how to install LibreOffice in Bsd somewhere in documentation. Hopefully i might get time later to try to find it. Note that no other Office Suite works on Bsd afaik so it would be quite sweet to acknowledge it. Regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 12 May, 2011 11:30:21 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork) Le 2011-05-12 05:52, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) I know Bsd is not hugely well-known as a desktop but apparently LibreOffice works on the Bsd distros too, not just Windows, Linux Mac. Regards from Tom :) Are these officially supported? We should only mention officially supported platforms. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi Bernhard , Unfortunately, Charles sees only what he wants and just says what he wants. Not really concerned about the serious issues we are bringing. Luiz Charles, You wrote: Drew, 2011/5/12 drew d...@baseanswers.com On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0300, luiz wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: And this recalls another concern of ours: there are 4 brazilians as TDF members/founders. I count 3: Claudio, David and Olivier. Eliane Domingos is the fourth. //drew Hi Luiz. It was simply that I knew there was at least four members from Brasil - I recalled seeing a blog by Olivier Hallot on the subject. http://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2011/05/novo-membro-da-document-foundation.html You are going places in your reply however where I have no business going. Best wishes, Drew As far as I can tell, this link is quite clear: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ I don't see Eliane Domingos in that list. So don't comment on what you expect, but read what is written: Paulo did refer to founding members and actual TDF members. Please have a look here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ Regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: RE : [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Good morning/afternoon/evening/night for all. First of all: sorry for the top posting. Please, guys I think we can let this issue about membership go, only thinking about some simple facts: 1 - Charles garantee us he is taking objetive criteria for new membership submission. I think it's true. 2 - If this is true, I suppose those criteria are (please correct me if I am mistaken): member's activities on wiki, pootle, silverstripe, ODFAuthors, mailing lists, etc. 3 - A subjetive criteria is being used, that is an opinion of one or more older members. Based on this facts, I must conclude that: 1 - Eliane's activities on Silver Stripe were counted to the score. Eliane has no English skills to translate all those pages from libreoffice.org to pt-br.libreoffice.org, so, in last December/January, she asked me, Rui and Rogério to translate them and send translations to her in PVT e-mails. To shut up our voices, she had included our photos in a separated credits page in pt-br.libreoffice.org. This is well documented in the history of silver stripe and in our mailing lists. So, I suppose that the copy and paste girl used our work to sum scores and become elegible. And this is what I mean when I say they were acting like a proxy between Brazilian Community and TDF. And that behavior was the last drop for us to start a rebelion against those people. 2 - Charles must be asked for Olivier/David/Gustavo's opinion about Eliane Domingues, which should be the best possible, I suppose. Again, Olivier can have been lied to us, because some days ago he told us he was not contacted by anyone about this issue, in one of our mailing lists. Or, possibly, Charles could have forgotten to do that... I don't know. In this case, only the objective criteria should be considered. Based on those evidences, we must ask for your attention to some things: 1 - We have asked for a second admin account to Pootle for Claudio F. Filho. It isn't a confortable situation to have only one admin and this one are not trusted. This request were made some times before and denied. 2 - The system you are using for membership submission isn't the state of art, but it's the one you have. It should be reviewed. I won't ask for you to review Eliane's membership submission. That's your job to decide that based on the evidences and in your will. We have enough evidences even to accuse her of unauthorized use of our work for self benefit. But I think, only the fact we know that is enough. I don't think we could separate what part of that work belongs to each one of us, at this time. So I will not request a revision of her score. I think each one of us has the skills and the will to show up our jobs and sum those scores again. I also think things are cleared, at last. Now, we all must clean this mess and go to work. And there's a lot of work to do!!! I think the requests made by Bernard in the other e-mail are quite fair, and all of them will be done asap. I finish here my contribution to this topic. Thanks a lot for hearing us. My best regards to all of you. 2011/5/12 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Bernhard, I'm not commenting on what I expect. Paulo's sentence if yesterday was quite clear. There aren't 4 brazilian founders of tdf, and I sure hope there will be more than 4 brazilian members of TDF. But then I find that reasoning on the base of nationality is not the best way to look at our membership... Charles. Le 12 mai 2011, 10:01 AM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at a écrit : Charles, You wrote: Drew, 2011/5/12 drew d...@baseanswers.comOn Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0... So don't comment on what you expect, but read what is written: Paulo did refer to founding members and actual TDF members. Please have a look here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ Regards Bernhard -- http://pt-br.libreoffice.org Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE : Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Luiz, You do make accusations against people who are founders or members of TDF. TDF cannot sort out the issues that have happened outside of itself. Now, if you make accusations on something that happened in this project (not inside your NGO) please address them to the SC with facts. You claimed Olivier didn't accept others' contributions on Pootle. Please, let's check our logs. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? And can we please go back on doing marketing on this list? Thank you, Charles. Le 12 mai 2011, 1:49 PM, luiz lcolui...@gmail.com a écrit : Charles, You escape the central questions raised. I'm not making accusations, I'm bringing facts here in Brazil and TDF should at least find out if what I'm saying is true or not instead of accusing me of lying as you are doing. By the way, you are a Olivier's lawyer? I'm seeing some things very clear after this discussion. Another message stated that it is necessary sponsorship to be a member of TDF. I want to believe that Olivier was godfather Eliane Domingos, which is perfectly normal. But he denies this, as it can be seen here: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/pt-br/usuarios/msg00785.html Then I ask who's lying? Luiz Luiz, 2011/5/12 luiz lcolui...@gmail.com Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, ... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http:/... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
On 5/12/11 2:09 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote: I think we can let this issue about membership go Membership issues should be addresses to the membership committee. This is a marketing list, and membership issues do not belong to marketing. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: RE : Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi! This is probably my first post in the list, but I've followed all the discussion closely Everything that Paulo and Luiz are arguing has basement and I agree with them because I also experienced the many attempts of manipulation. Even say that I had some work literally hijacked, so that it could accelerate the translation of the libreoffice.org portal to pt-br. So what are the reasons for them to do so? I summarize in two words: self-promotion and market reserve. Best regards! Rui Ogawa tenção! Caso haja documentos de escritório anexados neste e-mail, eles poderão estar no formato ODF, um padrão aberto, gratuito e homologado pela ISO e ABNT. Para abrir e editá-los, basta baixar e instalar o LibreOffice.org em http://libreoffice.org/download. Quer a estabilidade do Debian e a facilidade do Mint? Experimente Linux Mint Debian Edition! http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.phphttp://www.ubuntu-br.org/ 2011/5/12 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Luiz, You do make accusations against people who are founders or members of TDF. TDF cannot sort out the issues that have happened outside of itself. Now, if you make accusations on something that happened in this project (not inside your NGO) please address them to the SC with facts. You claimed Olivier didn't accept others' contributions on Pootle. Please, let's check our logs. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? And can we please go back on doing marketing on this list? Thank you, Charles. Le 12 mai 2011, 1:49 PM, luiz lcolui...@gmail.com a écrit : Charles, You escape the central questions raised. I'm not making accusations, I'm bringing facts here in Brazil and TDF should at least find out if what I'm saying is true or not instead of accusing me of lying as you are doing. By the way, you are a Olivier's lawyer? I'm seeing some things very clear after this discussion. Another message stated that it is necessary sponsorship to be a member of TDF. I want to believe that Olivier was godfather Eliane Domingos, which is perfectly normal. But he denies this, as it can be seen here: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/pt-br/usuarios/msg00785.html Then I ask who's lying? Luiz Luiz, 2011/5/12 luiz lcolui...@gmail.com Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, ... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http:/... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi Em 11-05-2011 09:28, Paulo de Souza Lima escreveu: 2011/5/11 Charles-H. Schulzcharles.sch...@documentfoundation.org I hope you understand the difference better now. Also, I would like, as another general comment, to remind you and everyone that Claudio is also part of the core team of TDF. I am surprised that he hasn't been more active on this particular topic. That's just my feeling, perhaps I'm wrong. I am also surprised about the lack of participation of Olivier in this discussion. Claudio has his own personal problems and I can't speak for him. Really i am out by personal problems. But in other hand, i tried to alert in core@ list what happens here some months ago, and at final was a talk with some members of SC, without a conclusive feedback about this. However, going direct to point. * Domains * As Luiz told, i am talking with Florian about the domains. I already request to redirect www.tdf.org.br - www.tdf.org, and this question will be finished soon. The lib.o.br, was a thing that we discussed inside of our lists, because the broffice.org page is a *well know* in Brazil. Other thing is that we has different things inside of our page, like news about ODF/BrO/LibO, migrations, documentation and many other things, but is clear now that for TDF is not (more) interesting the BrOffice and its history. * Migration * As already was explained by Paulo, Luiz and others, we are migrating to wiki and SilverStripe, but is many content. Was only a job of 5 years in marketing that resulted in a installed base around 15M of desktops with Br/LibO in our country. But, ok. We will drop any idea of migration and point all to there and maintain the BrOffice.org yet. A curiosity about this point is that we have all other brazilian domains of each project, like mozilla.org.br and postgresql.org.br, working fine with the international projects, without problems, and with the respectively recognition of international institution or projects, like Mozilla Foundation and PostgreSQL. * Official and not official logos * About the warning in the redirect page in BrOffice.org, we are talking about the product. If you remember, before of 3.3.4 was BrOffice, and now LibreOffice. The brands are correct. About the logo in the main page without The Document Foundation, in the rules[1] say that for non-official use is to use the LibreOffice without the TDF. [1]http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy A strategy that did the difference here and that some neighboring countries are looking our (old!) model maybe is not more interesting. My two cents... Claudio -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Did someone from the Brazilian community ask David to explain this sentence or to have it removed? This information was added later trought the mkt-tdf-team (that I don't make part), just and only for tasks divisions, for supporting the new members access of the Portuguese language in the TDF-list. Every time I received any contact on my direct email, and it happens almost every day, I redirected to the pt_br-libreoffice list. However, I always said that everyone could read and write English, I also recommend the en-libreoffice-lists. In this tasks divisions, Olivier is the news TDF-contact in portuguese, I (as a speaker of some languages) was to help with the contact for the lists as above, and to link with other communities, when the Portuguese and English were still obstacles. Just that. Nothing more, nothing less. But if I should not do that anymore, Ok! No problem. MfG., David I think this issue should be submitted to Brazilian Community's mailing lists. That's all. The Community deliberates and decides. But I also think until that, you shall not introduce yourself as a representative, giving an impression that you are the only way for people to get there. I suggest, until things are over, you remove that phrase from your profile. Best regards. -- http://pt-br.libreoffice.org Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Marketing Team Newsletter and Blog
During the last confcall, we discussed having a monthly newsletter highlighting our accomplishments and news items related to LibreOffice marketing activities. Drew has graciously agreed to help out with this. Following the lead from the Documentation Team, there was also an attempt on my part to see if there was any interest in creating a blog site for our team. If there is an interest in maintaining a blog could we have a show of hands as to how many would be willing to help contribute to the blog? Always best if there are many contributors as this creates buzz around our product. In the meantime, I have created a blog site on the Wordpress site[1] where the Documentation Foundation and the new LibreOffice Documentation Team blogs are located. Let me know what you think of this. Cheers Marc [1] http://libomarketing.wordpress.com/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] LibOCon.com domain -- proposal
Hi everyone I did a quick search of some of the abbreviated forms of LibreOffice and found that many, if not most, are already in usage or reserved by some web entities. During one of our conversations, Florian mused that perhaps the LibOCon term could be mistaken to mean Library of Congress. After checking on the Internet, I have found that this has in fact never been used anywhere. So this would leave us with a clear advantage in claiming the use of the word LibOCon as our own to mean LibreOffice Conference. This would then be demonstrable is our accepted adoption of the term as well as in usage. (Which I am doing at this moment.) So, to make a long story short, I propose that we make free use of the LibOCon term (short form use for LibreOffice Conference) to show that we do accept it as a usable term in our membership. In the meantime, I have also reserved the http://www.libOCon.com; domain which now points temporarily to the http://www.LibreOffice.org; site until we get a LibreOffice Conference site/pages built or until I am sent nameserver changes for the domain. I just thought it would be best to be proactive with this. I have also registered the .net/.org/.ca as well and have them pointing temporarily to my website. We can now use these for the project or not. Feel free to comment. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing Team Newsletter and Blog
On 5/12/11 2:59 PM, Marc Paré wrote: [1] http://libomarketing.wordpress.com/ Nice job. Can you please send me the credentials to log in? I just want to create an account to post from my desktop clients. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing Team Newsletter and Blog
On 05/12/2011 10:20 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 5/12/11 2:59 PM, Marc Paré wrote: [1] http://libomarketing.wordpress.com/ Nice job. Can you please send me the credentials to log in? I just want to create an account to post from my desktop clients. Good idea. There is a chance to have a local blog,something like: http://pt-br.libomarketing.wordpress.com/? Regards, Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi :) No. I think the work you all have been doing to migrate to better systems is great and should continue. Using a stepping stone is a clever way to avoid emergencies. It also means you have plenty of time to prepare the goal-website/domain so that it will work much better. A much better result than a hasty ill-considered move! It is becoming clearer and clearer that a lot of thought and planning has gone into this but the first few posts to the English lists made a few of us panic because it sounded too hasty. We know better now and are much happier. It is also good to hear that your old web-sites/domains will continue to exist for quite a while as that allows you to redirect people and gradually get the new names well known in places that have become familiar with the old names. I wish we could have had such an organised migration from OpenOffice to TDF and LibreOffice. Perhaps now that Oracle seem to have decided to drop OOo there might be some chance for us to make a better migration. Anyway, good luck and regards to all from Tom :) From: Claudio F Filho filh...@broffice.org To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 12 May, 2011 13:55:54 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains Hi Em 11-05-2011 09:28, Paulo de Souza Lima escreveu: 2011/5/11 Charles-H. Schulzcharles.sch...@documentfoundation.org I hope you understand the difference better now. Also, I would like, as another general comment, to remind you and everyone that Claudio is also part of the core team of TDF. I am surprised that he hasn't been more active on this particular topic. That's just my feeling, perhaps I'm wrong. I am also surprised about the lack of participation of Olivier in this discussion. Claudio has his own personal problems and I can't speak for him. Really i am out by personal problems. But in other hand, i tried to alert in core@ list what happens here some months ago, and at final was a talk with some members of SC, without a conclusive feedback about this. However, going direct to point. * Domains * As Luiz told, i am talking with Florian about the domains. I already request to redirect www.tdf.org.br - www.tdf.org, and this question will be finished soon. The lib.o.br, was a thing that we discussed inside of our lists, because the broffice.org page is a *well know* in Brazil. Other thing is that we has different things inside of our page, like news about ODF/BrO/LibO, migrations, documentation and many other things, but is clear now that for TDF is not (more) interesting the BrOffice and its history. * Migration * As already was explained by Paulo, Luiz and others, we are migrating to wiki and SilverStripe, but is many content. Was only a job of 5 years in marketing that resulted in a installed base around 15M of desktops with Br/LibO in our country. But, ok. We will drop any idea of migration and point all to there and maintain the BrOffice.org yet. A curiosity about this point is that we have all other brazilian domains of each project, like mozilla.org.br and postgresql.org.br, working fine with the international projects, without problems, and with the respectively recognition of international institution or projects, like Mozilla Foundation and PostgreSQL. * Official and not official logos * About the warning in the redirect page in BrOffice.org, we are talking about the product. If you remember, before of 3.3.4 was BrOffice, and now LibreOffice. The brands are correct. About the logo in the main page without The Document Foundation, in the rules[1] say that for non-official use is to use the LibreOffice without the TDF. [1]http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy A strategy that did the difference here and that some neighboring countries are looking our (old!) model maybe is not more interesting. My two cents... Claudio -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] representatives
Hi :) I think the Brazilian Community needs quite a few people representing them. It is good to hear different views from different people so that outsiders can get a better idea of what is really happening. However, i agree with Paulo that it should be clear that each person is not the only representative, that there are others. Hopefully the Brazilian Community can find a way to agree who represents them formally to which outsiders = perhaps 1 rep to government, another to a particular funder, and so on. Within the wider TDF Community there will hopefully be a lot of Brazilian voices giving feedback about various areas of activity. Regards from Tom :) From: Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@gmail.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 12 May, 2011 13:57:04 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains Did someone from the Brazilian community ask David to explain this sentence or to have it removed? This information was added later trought the mkt-tdf-team (that I don't make part), just and only for tasks divisions, for supporting the new members access of the Portuguese language in the TDF-list. Every time I received any contact on my direct email, and it happens almost every day, I redirected to the pt_br-libreoffice list. However, I always said that everyone could read and write English, I also recommend the en-libreoffice-lists. In this tasks divisions, Olivier is the news TDF-contact in portuguese, I (as a speaker of some languages) was to help with the contact for the lists as above, and to link with other communities, when the Portuguese and English were still obstacles. Just that. Nothing more, nothing less. But if I should not do that anymore, Ok! No problem. MfG., David I think this issue should be submitted to Brazilian Community's mailing lists. That's all. The Community deliberates and decides. But I also think until that, you shall not introduce yourself as a representative, giving an impression that you are the only way for people to get there. I suggest, until things are over, you remove that phrase from your profile. Best regards. -- http://pt-br.libreoffice.org Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Marketing Team Newsletter and Blog
Le 2011-05-12 09:26, luiz a écrit : On 05/12/2011 10:20 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 5/12/11 2:59 PM, Marc Paré wrote: [1] http://libomarketing.wordpress.com/ Nice job. Can you please send me the credentials to log in? I just want to create an account to post from my desktop clients. Good idea. There is a chance to have a local blog,something like: http://pt-br.libomarketing.wordpress.com/? Regards, Luiz Oliveira Hi Luiz You would have to create an account with Wordpress and create your blog. You should first check with the LibreOffice PT-Br community first to make sure this is OK if you want to make it a blog representing the community. Once you are admin, you can then add users as extra admins; contributors; editors; authors. Wordpress supports PT-BR language. Let me know if you need any help. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork)
Hi Marc, Tom; I don't mean to muddy the waters unnecessarily but, in the case of *BSD, support would be more likely coming from their end and not TDF's. Also: * there are a lot of unrelated *BSD's (e.g. Free-, Open- and netBSD) * *BSD apps aren't (normally) distributed as pre-compiled packages but as source to compile * once an app is in the ports, it (normally) has a maintainer (IOW, is supported) * checking w/those projects will show whether LibO is supported So, for example, to see whether an app is supported by FreeBSD, I * go to their central applications site: http://www.freshports.org * search on LibreOffice * find that 3.2.2 is the current ver and the maintainer is Baptiste Daroussin I'm not as familiar with the other *BSD's but, if you want, I'll poke around to establish whether they are maintaining LibO and at what version. hth, -Craig On 05/12/2011 04:05 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-05-12 06:45, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) Hah, i can't find it in the downloads drop-down any-more. I'm sure it was there quite recently. There was documentation on how to install LibreOffice in Bsd somewhere in documentation. Hopefully i might get time later to try to find it. Note that no other Office Suite works on Bsd afaik so it would be quite sweet to acknowledge it. Regards from Tom :) You may want to check on the dev list. If Bsd is officially supported, then we will make adjustments to our marketing materials. It would be nice if it were supported. AFAIK, there was talk of it on the dev list and some people got it to work, but then the threads just died out. Maybe there were problems with getting committed devs for BSD. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Marketing Team Newsletter and Blog
On 05/12/2011 11:05 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-05-12 09:26, luiz a écrit : On 05/12/2011 10:20 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 5/12/11 2:59 PM, Marc Paré wrote: [1] http://libomarketing.wordpress.com/ Nice job. Can you please send me the credentials to log in? I just want to create an account to post from my desktop clients. Good idea. There is a chance to have a local blog,something like: http://pt-br.libomarketing.wordpress.com/? Regards, Luiz Oliveira Hi Luiz You would have to create an account with Wordpress and create your blog. You should first check with the LibreOffice PT-Br community first to make sure this is OK if you want to make it a blog representing the community. Once you are admin, you can then add users as extra admins; contributors; editors; authors. Wordpress supports PT-BR language. Let me know if you need any help. Hi Marc, Actually, I already have an account in Wordpress for my personal blog. And I will make a query to the Brazilian community on this issue and return soon. Thank you so much for your help, Luiz -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Marketing Team Newsletter and Blog
Le 2011-05-12 09:20, Italo Vignoli a écrit : On 5/12/11 2:59 PM, Marc Paré wrote: [1] http://libomarketing.wordpress.com/ Nice job. Can you please send me the credentials to log in? I just want to create an account to post from my desktop clients. Hi Italo I sent you an email through the Wordpress invitation feature. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Paulo, David, 2011/5/12 Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@gmail.com Did someone from the Brazilian community ask David to explain this sentence or to have it removed? This information was added later trought the mkt-tdf-team (that I don't make part), just and only for tasks divisions, for supporting the new members access of the Portuguese language in the TDF-list. Every time I received any contact on my direct email, and it happens almost every day, I redirected to the pt_br-libreoffice list. However, I always said that everyone could read and write English, I also recommend the en-libreoffice-lists. In this tasks divisions, Olivier is the news TDF-contact in portuguese, I (as a speaker of some languages) was to help with the contact for the lists as above, and to link with other communities, when the Portuguese and English were still obstacles. Just that. Nothing more, nothing less. But if I should not do that anymore, Ok! No problem. MfG., David I think this issue should be submitted to Brazilian Community's mailing lists. That's all. The Community deliberates and decides. But I also think until that, you shall not introduce yourself as a representative, giving an impression that you are the only way for people to get there. I suggest, until things are over, you remove that phrase from your profile. This is a good point Paulo. Let me perhaps clarify one thing. At the TDF, at the moment, we have no representative of NGOs . Which means no one can claim their represent the French community, nor the Brazilian, etc. So I think now things should be very clear with respect to David. David is a founder of TDF, no more, no less. Having had a very nice and productive meeting with the french LibreOffice association I think we will have to work in the near future in a good and effective way to ackowledge and work with NGOs. This becomes necessary, whether in problematical cases or just for normal times. best Charles. Best regards. -- http://pt-br.libreoffice.org Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hello Claudio, 2011/5/12 Claudio F Filho filh...@broffice.org Hi Em 11-05-2011 09:28, Paulo de Souza Lima escreveu: 2011/5/11 Charles-H. Schulzcharles.sch...@documentfoundation.org I hope you understand the difference better now. Also, I would like, as another general comment, to remind you and everyone that Claudio is also part of the core team of TDF. I am surprised that he hasn't been more active on this particular topic. That's just my feeling, perhaps I'm wrong. I am also surprised about the lack of participation of Olivier in this discussion. Claudio has his own personal problems and I can't speak for him. Really i am out by personal problems. I hope you will be able to overcome them... But in other hand, i tried to alert in core@ list what happens here some months ago, and at final was a talk with some members of SC, without a conclusive feedback about this. However, going direct to point. * Domains * As Luiz told, i am talking with Florian about the domains. I already request to redirect www.tdf.org.br - www.tdf.org, and this question will be finished soon. The lib.o.br, was a thing that we discussed inside of our lists, because the broffice.org page is a *well know* in Brazil. Other thing is that we has different things inside of our page, like news about ODF/BrO/LibO, migrations, documentation and many other things, but is clear now that for TDF is not (more) interesting the BrOffice and its history. * Migration * As already was explained by Paulo, Luiz and others, we are migrating to wiki and SilverStripe, but is many content. Was only a job of 5 years in marketing that resulted in a installed base around 15M of desktops with Br/LibO in our country. But, ok. We will drop any idea of migration and point all to there and maintain the BrOffice.org yet. A curiosity about this point is that we have all other brazilian domains of each project, like mozilla.org.br and postgresql.org.br, working fine with the international projects, without problems, and with the respectively recognition of international institution or projects, like Mozilla Foundation and PostgreSQL. Each project has its own culture and needs... I would like to thank you again for working with us on this. * Official and not official logos * About the warning in the redirect page in BrOffice.org, we are talking about the product. If you remember, before of 3.3.4 was BrOffice, and now LibreOffice. The brands are correct. About the logo in the main page without The Document Foundation, in the rules[1] say that for non-official use is to use the LibreOffice without the TDF. [1]http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy A strategy that did the difference here and that some neighboring countries are looking our (old!) model maybe is not more interesting. My two cents... Thank you, Charles. Claudio -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork)
Hi Tim: Le 2011-05-12 10:35, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions a écrit : So what would you add to this sample document that would reflect BSD, or should it be kept the same? http://libreoffice-na.us/dvd-insert-mine-sample.pdf This is a sample of some of the text needed for an insert for the inside of the DVD case for our distribution DVD of LibreOffice. We have a case cover, a label, and now we are working on an inserted document for that case. I/we want to keep it simple to use and read. It is going to be read by home and office users, tech people and general computer users. So it must be easy to read and understand by the user that has the least computer skills, who at least knows how to install their own software and use a web browser. We could make another document that is more tech oriented, and include that as well, but it will need some warning label stating that this is for those who need more technical information. BSD installation may be something that would be in such a technical document, if someone knows how to do such an install. Unless we hear differently from our devs we should keep it off the marketing material. We need the dev support to trouble-shoot and if it isn't there, then, we are just creating a big headache for ourselves for nothing. Tom -- could you check with the devs to see if it is supported? Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
OT: contributions Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brazilian roles/jobs
Hi Tom, Tom Davies wrote (12-05-11 15:23) Hi :) [...] Sorry that I have to write this. But to large extend, I find your posts too generic, not precise enough, and hard to follow/place in the context because of your mailing habits. You could do much better, I am sure. This in general. However, in this special case, so many more directly involved people already write in the thread, that abstention from posting should be considered a good option too. 'Open' does not mean that every typed word is a contribution per see. I hope you will try to understand. Kind regards, Cor -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Bsd
Hi Craig :) Yes, it would be great to find out if other Bsd distros are supported, if it is easy enough to ask them. It would be really great if the documentation team were told of any results you discover, or even better if you could help them with the installer pages. If you don't have time then don't worry as it is not crucial. Regards from Tom :) From: C. Olofson c.olof...@gmail.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 12 May, 2011 15:14:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork) Hi Marc, Tom; I don't mean to muddy the waters unnecessarily but, in the case of *BSD, support would be more likely coming from their end and not TDF's. Also: * there are a lot of unrelated *BSD's (e.g. Free-, Open- and netBSD) * *BSD apps aren't (normally) distributed as pre-compiled packages but as source to compile * once an app is in the ports, it (normally) has a maintainer (IOW, is supported) * checking w/those projects will show whether LibO is supported So, for example, to see whether an app is supported by FreeBSD, I * go to their central applications site: http://www.freshports.org * search on LibreOffice * find that 3.2.2 is the current ver and the maintainer is Baptiste Daroussin I'm not as familiar with the other *BSD's but, if you want, I'll poke around to establish whether they are maintaining LibO and at what version. hth, -Craig On 05/12/2011 04:05 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-05-12 06:45, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) Hah, i can't find it in the downloads drop-down any-more. I'm sure it was there quite recently. There was documentation on how to install LibreOffice in Bsd somewhere in documentation. Hopefully i might get time later to try to find it. Note that no other Office Suite works on Bsd afaik so it would be quite sweet to acknowledge it. Regards from Tom :) You may want to check on the dev list. If Bsd is officially supported, then we will make adjustments to our marketing materials. It would be nice if it were supported. AFAIK, there was talk of it on the dev list and some people got it to work, but then the threads just died out. Maybe there were problems with getting committed devs for BSD. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Bsd
Le 12/05/11 17:17, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi all, A recent posting on the dev list by a user attempting to install the BSD port, through the use of the ports system, i.e. building, compiling, etc has indicated that it does not necessarily install as easily as one might think. However, BSD installable packages can be found : http://files.bsdroot.lv/my/FreeBSD/office-amd64/ http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-current/editors/libreoffice-3.3.0_1.tbz and also via the following command : portmaster -x libreoffice I will have to see if I can set up a BSD machine on some old machine laying around not doing much and try it out. Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Bsd
Hi :) Fantastic! Thanks for checking that. I gather that it's usually fairly easy to install but occasionally people stumble into some weird problems for no readily apparent reason. Much the same as installs to any other OS really. However it seems that Bsd users are often more experienced and able to fix simpler problems themselves so we might not be hearing about all the problems and just get the toughest ones. I tend to send Bsd people straight to the devs list because hardly anyone on the users or marketing lists has a clue about Bsd. I don't think you should install Bsd yourself except that it's interesting to explore and can lead to much greater understanding of your preferred OS too. Good luck and many regards from Tom :) From: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 12 May, 2011 16:44:24 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Bsd Le 12/05/11 17:17, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi all, A recent posting on the dev list by a user attempting to install the BSD port, through the use of the ports system, i.e. building, compiling, etc has indicated that it does not necessarily install as easily as one might think. However, BSD installable packages can be found : http://files.bsdroot.lv/my/FreeBSD/office-amd64/ http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-current/editors/libreoffice-3.3.0_1.tbz and also via the following command : portmaster -x libreoffice I will have to see if I can set up a BSD machine on some old machine laying around not doing much and try it out. Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Marketing Team Newsletter and Blog
In my haste to post, I forgot to acknowledge the fact that I copied the introductory paragraph on our marketing blog, theme and right-hand widgets from the Documentation team's blog. I thought it would add familiarity to the blogs for our visitors. Thanks Documentation Team! Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Bsd
On 05/12/2011 08:17 AM, Tom Davies wrote: It would be really great if the documentation team were told of any results you discover, or even better if you could help them with the installer pages. Should I email a list or any particular person? tia, -Craig -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork)
On 05/12/2011 07:35 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: So what would you add to this sample document that would reflect BSD, or should it be kept the same? http://libreoffice-na.us/dvd-insert-mine-sample.pdf The BSD entry is relatively odd (because the OS works with ports packages). Happily, it makes for a briefer write-up. Here's my stab at it. *BSD * LibreOffice packages and ports are maintained by many BSD communities, including FreeBSD, OpenBSD and PC-BSD. Please check with these communities and reference their respective repositories for further information on system requirements and installation instructions. I can confirm that LibO is in the FreeBSD, OpenBSD and PC-BSD repositories. These three represent the lion's share for desktop BSD. As a side note, Robert Nagy, who's involved in LibreOffice development, is also the port manager for OpenBSD. They just interviewed him over at the TDF blog in January.* If we need anything else for the insert with respect to *BSD, we can always contact him. hope this helps, -Craig *http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/01/21/developer-interview-robert-nagy/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Bsd
Hi Alex; On 05/12/2011 08:44 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 12/05/11 17:17, Tom Davies a écrit : ...However, BSD installable packages can be found : http://files.bsdroot.lv/my/FreeBSD/office-amd64/ http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-current/editors/libreoffice-3.3.0_1.tbz Just to be clear: if anything were to find its way into LibO marketing doc, it should steer users towards official packages (e.g. the second url above). Even then, at that point, we should be listing the port, as well as, the package repository and -of course- for each distro. grin For marketing collateral such as inserts flyers, that level of detail shouldn't be necessary. It is important, however, to reference availability on BSD in the same way it is important to dot our i's and cross our t's. BSD is a foundational community within the F/OSS ecosystem. Not mentioning it would be... odd. and also via the following command : portmaster -x libreoffice I will have to see if I can set up a BSD machine on some old machine laying around not doing much and try it out. Alex -Craig -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Bsd
Le 12/05/11 17:58, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi Tom, Fantastic! Thanks for checking that. I gather that it's usually fairly easy to install but occasionally people stumble into some weird problems for no readily apparent reason. Much the same as installs to any other OS really. However it seems that Bsd users are often more experienced and able to fix simpler problems themselves so we might not be hearing about all the problems and just get the toughest ones. I tend to send Bsd people straight to the devs list because hardly anyone on the users or marketing lists has a clue about Bsd. Yes, most people using BSD already know what they are doing. The forum discussions for FreeBSD and PC-BSD are also at hand for people having problems. I don't think you should install Bsd yourself except that it's interesting to explore and can lead to much greater understanding of your preferred OS too. Oh, I'm not worried about that, I've run various versions of BSD in the past, from 5.x through to 6.x, it is actually where I started building my own stuff really for the first time in a big way, so I know what lies in store :-)). My biggest issue with it was its (at the time) poor management of disk space, if you ran out, the whole system crashed and was often left in an unrecoverable state - by UFS file system, and the fact that it wasn't very good at supporting various wifi chipsets, even after building them :-/ Hopefully things have improved now :-) OpenOffice.org ran pretty well on it too. Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing Team Newsletter and Blog
Marc, I'll help if I can. What is the vision or mission statement for the marketing blog? I understand there will be announcements and news of who and what organizations are using LibreOffice, but what else? How will you draw an audience and keep them engaged, keep them coming back? *John Shabanowitz http://libodocs.wordpress.com We're recruiting, come join us.* On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: During the last confcall, we discussed having a monthly newsletter highlighting our accomplishments and news items related to LibreOffice marketing activities. Drew has graciously agreed to help out with this. Following the lead from the Documentation Team, there was also an attempt on my part to see if there was any interest in creating a blog site for our team. If there is an interest in maintaining a blog could we have a show of hands as to how many would be willing to help contribute to the blog? Always best if there are many contributors as this creates buzz around our product. In the meantime, I have created a blog site on the Wordpress site[1] where the Documentation Foundation and the new LibreOffice Documentation Team blogs are located. Let me know what you think of this. Cheers Marc [1] http://libomarketing.wordpress.com/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Marketing Team Newsletter and Blog
Hi Luiz. Hi Marc. about the pt-br's blog +1, of course. Helio == On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:16 AM, luiz lcolui...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/12/2011 11:05 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-05-12 09:26, luiz a écrit : On 05/12/2011 10:20 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 5/12/11 2:59 PM, Marc Paré wrote: [1] http://libomarketing.wordpress.com/ Nice job. Can you please send me the credentials to log in? I just want to create an account to post from my desktop clients. Good idea. There is a chance to have a local blog,something like: http://pt-br.libomarketing.wordpress.com/? Regards, Luiz Oliveira Hi Luiz You would have to create an account with Wordpress and create your blog. You should first check with the LibreOffice PT-Br community first to make sure this is OK if you want to make it a blog representing the community. Once you are admin, you can then add users as extra admins; contributors; editors; authors. Wordpress supports PT-BR language. Let me know if you need any help. Hi Marc, Actually, I already have an account in Wordpress for my personal blog. And I will make a query to the Brazilian community on this issue and return soon. Thank you so much for your help, Luiz -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork)
From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 12 May, 2011 22:33:19 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork) On 05/12/2011 10:49 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Bsd tends (or was in the past) far to techie for most people so leaving it off our marketing materials would probably make no difference to most people. Lets face it, mostly people will only notice the Windows part and ignore the rest. It's even possible that seeing mention of the other operating systems, such as Mac, might scare them off. Many computer shops only claim to be able to help Windows users but will often be happy to fix linux problems at a discount. They avoid mentioning that in their literature and advertising because it has been found to scare off Windows users. Windows has a serious malware problems so people get scared easily. That is why there will be a Windows-Only version as well, for those people we know that will only want or need to have a Windows version. Malware issues - well that it why I have about 1/4 of my CPU power on my Vista laptop running security software. Sometimes I use it to clean other people's drives by plugging in their drives a external ones. I shocked an insurance guy when his tried to infect mine but could not and there were over 1,000 security issues on his laptop's drive. It was much easier to do it that way than do all the work to get the software to work on his badly infected laptop. That is one reason I now us Ubuntu as my default desktop computer and my laptop is now dual-boot Vista and Ubuntu. People that use Bsd will mostly be used to the idea that if something works in linux then the source code can probably be acquired easily and probably compiled in Bsd fairly easily. So, i am quite happy with the idea of leaving Bsd off the marketing materials but one day it would be nice if we could be open and proud of what our devs people such as Baptiste Daroussin have achieved. Regards from Tom :) Never used BSD before, but someone told me that Mac used BSD as the starting point for OSX. Well, it would be nice to not have to deal with it if we do not need to deal with it. The less there is on the printed paperwork for people to deal with, the easier it could be do use. I just wish that Linux would be easier to install software, like Windows with their .exe files. Sometimes the .deb files are easy, but when you need to use the terminal for the install, like LibreOffice needs to, it is one more issue for people to not want to switch from Windows to Linux. I wonder if there would be an easier way for Linux to be installed? Include a single deb file to be clicked on that would to the rest of the install automatically, like some executable script that can be run via a file navigation system and not need to be run in terminal? HP now needs to have the drivers for its printers run the make utilities so that Ubuntu can use them. But all you have to do is run the .run script and the rest is done for you. I do not remember that was the case when I used Ubuntu 9.x 64-bit., or when I first used 10.04, but now it does. I just wish we had a better driver for the graphics printing. Hi :) How about just putting a title BSD and say something vague and general such as System requirements are likely to be similar for other operating systems. Contact TDF directly or the operating system's technical support for details.. Obviously tech support = community forums and such like but the words tech support sound better to people that are not familiar with OpenSource systems. Details would need too much updating but a vague nudge in the right direction is likely to be more than enough. Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Marketing Team Newsletter and Blog
Le 2011-05-12 13:38, John Shabanowitz a écrit : Marc, I'll help if I can. What is the vision or mission statement for the marketing blog? I understand there will be announcements and news of who and what organizations are using LibreOffice, but what else? How will you draw an audience and keep them engaged, keep them coming back? *John Shabanowitz http://libodocs.wordpress.com We're recruiting, come join us.* On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Hi John At this point it is just a step in the direction of setting up the blog. Would you be able to draw up a mission statement? You could post one on this list and we could all discuss it. Not to forget blogging about the conferences, LUG meetings where LibreOffice was represented, formation of different communities around the LibreOffice suite etc. We could work on a mission statement to better identify our expectations. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
