I think Waisline's incoherent mumblings are exactly the reason the
moderator
has stipulated such discussion not take place on the list.
No one, not Trotsky not I, no one claimed that the Comintern created or
caused Nazi-ism. The argument is that the policy of the KPD was so
disorienting to
If you want to know how we come to make sense of the world around us--
or, rather, how that world around us works around and in us--it seems
it might be important to care about the things that Marx, Lenin,
Trotsky and others said about it. I mean, Lenin and Trotsky spent
their entire lives t
I couldn't be less concerned about Trotsky or Stalin or even Lenin or Marx.
What bothers me is us...how WE in the hear and now come to understand
the realities we face. By "we," I don't mean just us on the list, but
the class generally and, indeed, the entire civilization. If we can't
do that, w
Determined by the US Federal Railroad Administration as a position
responsible for the oversight, direction, execution of safe train
operations.
And it does explain a lot
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Sartesian:
I'll have you know, you puffed up piece of rancid rat-fat, that
having occupied what is called a "safety-sensitive position" for years,
Reply:
'Safety-sensitive' position? Sounds like intercourse without the
penetration.
If so it would explain a lot.
I think Waisline's incoherent mumblings are exactly the reason the moderator
has stipulated such discussion not take place on the list.
No one, not Trotsky not I, no one claimed that the Comintern created or
caused Nazi-ism. The argument is that the policy of the KPD was so
disorienting to the
waistli...@aol.com wrote:
>
> War has an objective and is governed by laws. Period. As to rape comitted
> by Soviet troops, there is no reason to doubt rape occured. What is the
> point? Let me guess; by raping German women some Soviet troops surrendered
> "internationalist principles?" The idea
Waistline:
The Soviets, Stalin or the Comintern did not create, give rise to or cause
the evolution of German led European fascism or the German fascist state.
Quoting Trotsky proves nothing other than his - L.T., foolishness and
stupidity. That is why he and his followers were run out of t
sobuadha...@hushmail.com> wrote of me "I get it now. You really hate
the Stalin and the USSR and these two terms are essentially the same
thing."
You don't like the message, so you tell yourself fairy tales about the
messenger. Amazing.
ML
YOU MU
Anybody who cares to examine the facts
>knows that Stalin's "Great Patriotic War"
>was not waged with internationalist
>principles and the official policy of the
>USSR unleashed a war against German
>civilians. The terror was imposed
>with the institutionally sanctioned
>mass rape of Ger
Crack? Crack, you say? If I had feelings, they would be hurt. If I had a
heart, it would be broken.
Hey, I come by every bit of this naturally, without the use of mind-altering
chemicals. I'll have you know, you puffed up piece of rancid rat-fat, that
having occupied what is called a "safet
"Apparent" is the key word here in describing "purposefulness" - I often hear
the mistake, even by the science-minded, of explaining evolution by saying
things like "the giraffe developed a long neck so it can eat the leaves up
high," whereas it should be understood that "the giraffe developed a
Michael:
Nope. On this, Sartesian is absolutely on the money. Evolution does
not in any way entail progress,
Reply:
Sartesian's on nothing but crack. And your attempt to distort what I've
said does you no favours either. There is NO such thing as 'progressive
evolution' as you, not I, ha
Shane:
Once you deny any immanent teleology to nature, then no natural
phenomenon, including organic evolution, can be "progressive"
Reply:
Not teleology, teleonomy: the quality of apparent purposefulness and of
goal-directedness of structures and functions in living organisms that derive
Mark wrote:
>Anybody who cares to examine the facts
>knows that Stalin's "Great Patriotic War"
>was not waged with internationalist
>principles and the official policy of the
>USSR unleashed a war against German
>civilians. The terror was imposed
>with the institutionally sanctioned
>mass ra
I understand that you think such assessments are overstated. It's one thing
to say that. It's another to show it.
This is not at all comparable to somebody leaving the door unlocked. This
is
not some piece of "forgetfulness" that allows a nightcrawler to sneak into
the house. The role playe
On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Michael Friedman wrote:
> Nope. On this, Sartesian is absolutely on the money. Evolution does
> not in any way entail progress, except in those caricatures and
> shaving cream advertisements. The common ancestor of chimps and humans
> was just as well adapted to its en
It should be remarked that Napoleon forbid the Marseillaise until his
great defeat in Russia. Then, he allowed the French soldiers to sing the
march, in an attempt to breathe new life into the rotten corpse of
French popular and revolutionary patriotism. It was too late.
Any similitude is, perh
It seems a bit ingenuous to deny a policy role for the Soviet
government in the war-time rape of up to two million women. Two
million women? On that scale? Rape has LONG been an official or
quasi-official weapon of war, at least since the Roman occupation of
Britain and the English occupation of Sc
Tom Cod astonishes me by confusing what governments say (the WMD crap)
and what their victims of governments say. He suggests that we extend
skepticism about the former into a blanket denial of the latter unless
it's proven.
When I make the comparison with holocaust deniers and Obama birthers,
I'
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/haiti-minimum-wage-protests-escalate-20090805-e9aj.html
Haiti minimum wage protests escalate
August 5, 2009 - 11:29AM
Haitian police have fired tear gas at protesters who massed outside
Parliament to demand an increase in the minimum wage, saying they a
oh and for what its worth, the tempest about Obama's birthplace is really moot
as "natural born citizen" is most properly viewed as someone who is a citizen
by birth (i.e. not naturalized). so even if Obama had actually been born in
Kenya of an American parent he would still be a citizen by bi
Yeah, I wouldn't buy into the fairy tale your interlocutor put out about how
charitable the Soviets were in their intentions for Germany. A little naive.
"The Tin Drum" I think pretty much describes the tenor of those times.
Nonetheless, as I've always thought since childhood, the cause of t
Again, I think that's overstated. I think shifting global conditions were the
cause of the revolutionary upsurge ebbing, particularly the end of the "Great
War" which I don't think any correct-grandiose or not-program or personalities
of generalship would have overcome. Obviously the Comintern
To stick to the point Dogan chose to make--how the Soviets treated the
Germans--the notion that the Soviets were anything other than a Great
Power at war--waging a "Great Patriotic War" is pure fantasy.
As to the mass rape of German women by the Red Army (estimates are as
high as two million), you
I'm not sure that's true and I've always been troubled by this "Monday morning
quarterback" left sectarian outlook because it focuses so much on the
Stalinists and the Left, thereby unwittingly shifting the onus away from the
fascists. Look, say someone negligently leaves their door unlocked r
Ted Atkinson. Faulkner and the Great Depression: Aesthetics, Ideology,
and Cultural Politics. Athens: University of Georgia Press, 2005. 288
pp. $39.95 (cloth), ISBN 978-0-8203-2750-1.
Reviewed by David A. Davis (Mercer University)
Published on H-Southern-Lit (July, 2009)
Commissioned by Lisa Hi
> Anybody who cares to examine the facts knows that Stalin's "Great
> Patriotic War" was not waged with internationalist principles and the
> official policy of the USSR unleashed a war against German civilians.
> The terror was imposed with the institutionally sanctioned mass rape
> of German fem
Nope. On this, Sartesian is absolutely on the money. Evolution does
not in any way entail progress, except in those caricatures and
shaving cream advertisements. The common ancestor of chimps and humans
was just as well adapted to its environment as its descendants are to
theirs. Homo sapiens' inte
http://killinghope.org/bblum6/aer72.html
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On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Adam Berg wrote:
> Thank you Fred!
>
> I read cde Kiraz' article. It was interesting.
>
> However, I find it a bit difficult to fully understand this issue without an
> available copy of the actual law - the Telecommunications Law.
You can get more info (in spanish
http://againstthegrain.org/program/210/id/321436/tues-8-04-09-sold-out-rising
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> Sartesian:
>
> The central issue for me in the previous round of discussions is those
> notions that: somehow "dialectic" means that there is "positive" and
> "negative" in everything;
>
> Reply:
>
> Correct. Well done. Finally you get it.
Reply to the reply: Obviously, you're an idiot. Oh ye
Mark, the claims you put forward against Soviet Union are products of
Western secret and inteligent services. If you are not able to argue based
on historical documents leave it there. This rubish you express I can read
anywhere in bourgeois media. Soviet Union have not just freed humanity from
fas
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=18715
Day of fierce fighting at occupied South Korean car factory
by Owen Miller in Seoul
The attack began at dawn today and lasted until late afternoon. Under a hail of
metal bolts and stones from Ssangyong company thugs, liquid tear gas dropped
fro
One more thing: is it your position, Louis, that good reporting means
reporting hearsay from a random farmer concerning what a random
official said to him about a random population?
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Louis Proyect wrote:
> For example, what makes you think that this excerpt from t
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Louis Proyect wrote:
> Shawn Redden wrote:
>> What shit reporting: Judy Miller, but dumber. God I hate the NY Times.
>>
>> Down with the NED!
>
> Don't waste Marxmail with this kind of rant in the future.
I'm wasting bandwith on Iran! That's precious, Louis. As
Sartesian:
The central issue for me in the previous round of discussions is those
notions that: somehow "dialectic" means that there is "positive" and
"negative" in everything;
Reply:
Correct. Well done. Finally you get it.
Sartesian:
somehow the transformation of a thing into its
Shawn Redden wrote:
> What shit reporting: Judy Miller, but dumber. God I hate the NY Times.
>
> Down with the NED!
Don't waste Marxmail with this kind of rant in the future. If you think
that there are obvious falsehoods in the article, spell them out.
For example, what makes you think that
Shawn Redden writes:
> At 9:38 AM -0400 8/4/09, Louis Proyect wrote:
>>
>>NY Times, August 4, 2009
>>Qum Journal
>>Signs of Dissent Emerge in an Iranian Power Base
>>By THE NEW YORK TIMES
>
> What shit reporting: Judy Miller, but dumber. God I hate the NY Times.
>
> Down with the NED!
And it's
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,639791,00.html#ref=nlint
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At 16:45 03/08/09 -0700, you wrote:
>
>http://sdn.slate.com/features/endofamerica/default.htm
Thanks for posting this! It's almost as much fun as throwing shoes at Bush.
But unlike that game where 70% of my shoes were wasted :-( in THIS game I
achieved the "end of America" 100% of the times I play
(See www.bilin-ffj.org)
Take action against suppression of Palestinian non-violent
resistance in Bil'in
At around 3am on Monday morning, a large military force wearing combat
paint and masks invaded the West Bank village of Bil'in. Israeli
soldiers raided several homes, arresting 2 Palestinian ch
"the Soviet Union definitely defeated Germany"
You see, no one in the Soviet Union after the defeat of fascism said that
they defeated Germany. They clearly differentiated between fascism and its
basis on the one hand and German people on the other. They did not want to
humiliate Germans but extin
Dogan Gocmen:
We still owe the defeat of fascism to the Communist Party
of Soviet Union, the head of which was Stalin. Everything
may be criticised but at least this must be admitted.***
No. I refuse to attribute the heroic struggle of the Soviet *people* to a
party. I also refuse to degenerate
FOURTH COMINTERN CONGRESS PROCEEDINGS UPDATE
We've been very pleased by the response to our plan to publish the
complete
proceedings of the Fourth (1922) Congress of the Communist
International.
Editor John Riddell reports that work on translation and annotating is
on
schedule. Publication b
ic bits are having on
the small critters on the low end of the ocean food chain," Bob Knox,
deputy director of research at Scripps, said on Monday after the ship
had spent its first full day at sea.
[...]
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--
Michael Friedman
This quest for individual rights partly reflects a broader process of
individuation that Iranian society has been undergoing in the thirty
years since the 1979 revolution. This creeping modernity - resulting
from the expanding urbanisation (70%), general literacy (80%), college
education, mobil
>> The emancipatory, "progressive," element in capitalism is not the "dual
role" of the bourgeoisie as Marx imagined, and only imagined, it to be in
1848,[ as a careful examination of the struggle against the ancien regime
and its remnants shows that the bourgeoisie itself hardly played a
r
Indeed, Loren was invited to by the workers to speak during the first days
of the occupation.
Those interested can hear an interview on Pacifica with Loren re events in
Korea at:
http://www.suziweissman.com
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NY Times, August 4, 2009
Firm Stance on Illegal Immigrants Remains Policy
By JULIA PRESTON
After early pledges by President Obama that he would moderate the Bush
administration’s tough policy on immigration enforcement, his
administration is pursuing an aggressive strategy for an
illegal-immigr
"S. Artesian" writes:
> Reports are that police have undertaken a full scale assault on Ssangyong
> strikers.
>
> full at:
> http://libcom.org/news/ssangyong-occupation-update-august-4-korea-time-2009-04082009
I'll be speaking to Loren Goldner later today, he knows as much about
this occupatio
Reports are that police have undertaken a full scale assault on Ssangyong
strikers.
full at:
http://libcom.org/news/ssangyong-occupation-update-august-4-korea-time-2009-04082009
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http://www.rlp.com.ni/noticias/general/57906
¿EEUU prepara condiciones políticas para que sus marinos intervengan Honduras?
Tegucigalpa. Por Dick Emanuelsson, Radio La Primerísima. | agosto 4, 2009
El indiscutible promotor de la lucha por los derechos humanos en
Honduras de mayor prestigio, An
Bhaskar Sunkara wrote:
> A few days ago, one of the major unions in Germany said they wouldn't be
> supporting any party in the upcoming general election. In the past, the
> union supported the SPD.
>
> Where is Die Linke's union activity? Can anyone shed more light on this for
> me.
> ***
> I do
As the site describes the author, "Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D. is the
Francis Walsingham Fellow at The American Conservative Defense
Alliance."
The imperial Roman model of republican decline is as old as the
hills...all seven of them.
ML
YOU MUST cli
Uncle Sam, More War, Please
By Philip Giraldi, Campaign For Liberty, Aug 3, 2009
In “Julius Caesar” Shakespeare’s Brutus counsels “There is a tide in
the affairs of men, which, taken on the flood, leads on to fortune.”
Shakespeare was describing how powerful men seeking yet more power,
blinded by
A few days ago, one of the major unions in Germany said they wouldn't be
supporting any party in the upcoming general election. In the past, the
union supported the SPD.
Where is Die Linke's union activity? Can anyone shed more light on this for
me.
***
I don't mean for this to be a rehash of the
In a scene all-too-familiar to people living under dictatorship, the
police choose the early hours of the morning to break down the doors.
But what happened this morning didn't take place in North Korea or Burma.
It was Irish police who chose to raid the Thomas Cook shop in Dublin
at 5 AM today t
Thank you Fred!
I read cde Kiraz' article. It was interesting.
However, I find it a bit difficult to fully understand this issue without an
available copy of the actual law - the Telecommunications Law.
According to Human Rights Watch it is a crime to disseminate news that "harms
the inter
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0804/breaking1.htm
Thomas Cook workers removed from Dublin officeRONAN McGREEVY
Former staff of Thomas Cook who have been occupying the company's shop in
Grafton Street were arrested by gardai this morning in a dawn raid.
More than 15 officers fro
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