Please note that the theory isn't new, simply the Cornell study is.
'Cognitive sciences' are a cross-disciplinary mess, and not even a
very enlightening mess.
The reason why a computer model was used as that they have
consistently tried to use their understanding of how a computer works
to model hu
About 25 years ago I was told by my university physics professor that,
for sure, commercial energy production from fusion was less than 25
years off.
Meanwhile cold fusion research societies also soldier on!
If we are up against the wall and production has peaked or about
peaked or will eventuall
Sorry I just noticed this because it didn't appear with the correct
subject/title.
I wrote: > Please note that the theory isn't new, simply the Cornell
study is.> 'Cognitive sciences' are a cross-disciplinary mess, and not
even a> very enlightening mess.
A Mani replied:
>>This is not true, cog
I'm wondering if the cold war actually transformed anything. And is
there really much more to say on the topic after Lakatos, Feyerabend,
but also the post-structuralists?
More interesting to me has always been LP-related but not pure LP. For
example, Wittgenstein's foray into the philosophy of ps
>>>I'm wondering if the cold war actually transformed anything. And is
>there really much more to say on the topic after Lakatos, Feyerabend,
>but also the post-structuralists?>>>
>>What does this mean?>>
I think the book has a far too ambitious title? The intellectual
foundation of the Cold War
I'll get the hang of the gmail interface yet--I have even got a
subject line this time.
CB writes:
>>I read the Piaget article. The argument was very good. But then in
the below, the example of the mathematician as a child counting the
pebbles seems to me Piaget falls into a problem. An _individu
> PiagetThe second reason is found in Godel's theorem. It is the fact
> that
>
> >there are limits to formalisation. Any consistent system sufficiently
> >rich to contain elementary arithmetic cannot prove its own
> >consistency. So the following questions arise: logic is a
> >formalisation, an
First, my apologies for the missed subject in the last post--in
response to A. Mani--on this thread.
Next, CB writes:
>>CB: Maybe. I was just... you know..responding to what he said. I
wasn't considering at what level he was using metaphor. >>
Honestly, no sarcasm intended here, but I've seen pr
> CB: Maybe, but what about the Robinsonade in Piaget's early comment ? Or are
> you saying it is not a Robinsonade ?
Charles, two points that we might continue discussing.
1. I'm not clear on the Robinsonade and Piaget.
2. The weaknesses of a cultural transmissions theory about the origins
of a
A. Mani>>I was not speaking of Piaget, but the concept of 'logical
consistency' used and the related parts. You wrote it and R.Dumain
concurred apparently. Obviously it is relevant.>>
But we were discussing Piaget (but also Godel a bit) in the context of
philosophy of psychology and philosophy of
A few follow-ups for C. Brown and A. Mani
1. Mostly for C. Brown. I understand the term Robisonade better now.
However, isn't it a problem that ALL psychology would be guilty of
this, including developmental psychology. At least Piaget's take on
developmental psychology holds for social reality e
> From: Ralph Dumain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> There are a number of questions balled together. While I think that the
> competence/performance distinction as originally conceived forestalled
> working out the actual relation between the two (perhaps premature at the
> time) and thus equated psycho
The resistance movement led by Arab nationalist and Shia cleric al
Sadr is now ready to head a post-Occupation Iraq in accord with the
Sunni resistance, and the Sadrists and their Sunni allies will not
stand for a permanent occupation or a split-up Iraq. So US and
Occupation talk of a 'drawdown' in
BO is the second coming, the hidden imam and the Jews' first messiah,
all wrapped up in one. He's a healer, a uniter, somone who can work
across the aisles.
He might keep Gates as Sec. of Defense for the first year (at least).
And he just appointed a zionazi financier scumfuck, Emanuel (former
Cli
CB likes wiki cites. One on Rahm Emanuel that I found is very
interesting. The discussion page of the people trying to get their
version of this guy into a wiki entry.
One trick Emanuel seems to have repeated with BO is the fund-raising.
He got Clinton a lot of money, and he got BO a lot of money.
Forgot the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rahm_Emanuel
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I'm not really clear on BO's biography, but it seems to me more than
the Indonesian experience (I mean does he speak Bahasa Indonesia or
some other form of Malay to show how much he was integrated with the
culture there?), the formative experience was being raised by a white
grandmother in Hawaii.
Word has it that Palin consistently outdrew McCain on the campaign
trail (I guess when they ran out of money to pay people to show up at
the rallies and what turned up was there because it wanted to be). She
did 'energize the base'. McCain failed to convince the Independents
and quite a few of the
>>"Obama becomes president in a situation which cries out for such change. The
>>nation has been engaged in two futile and immoral wars, in Iraq and
>>Afghanistan, and the American people have turned decisively
against those wars.<<
Which is why our man of the people has Joe Biden, pro-war Demon
Well cripes I'd bet that little zionazi doggy Emanuel told BO that if
he didn't drop his weak anti-Iraq war stance, he would lose. Give
Butler a place in the new administration. Shit, Sen. Joe Blubberman
will be over there having tea with Michelle every time they need his
vote (unless he is out pla
What the f- is this? A Fred Feldman digest? Fred was one of those
marxmal idiots who said Hilary Clinton would join the McCain ticket
and we would see a complete change of the two parties.
excerpt>>Dean Tuckerman in "Almost as significant as Obama's victory"
and Louis Proyect in Louis Proyect in "
I love it when one of the news services puts out a piece of 'history',
taking time out from writing up US propaganda about Iraq, Afghanistan,
etc.
One wonders if this is a sign that the 'powers that be' hope the new
BO presidency will be a time for some 'deStalinization' and glasnost
of the US nat
>> 1. Why is "Nationalization" A Dirty Word in America?
The rub is practical politics. In the real world of shifting American
politics the fascists and historical Southern reactionary chauvinists and
Republicans are at the core of opposition to the bridge loan to auto,
which at this
point is the
If you do not take the companies away from the combined control of
shareholders and top management, you can not nationalize them.
It's sort of like asking for unconditional surrender first.
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SM:>>When the shareholders and top management (banks, auto) can hold on
only at public expense, nationalization is not like asking for
unconditional surrender--it only takes the guts to "just say no."<<
I meant asking for bankruptcy before nationalization was like asking
for unconditional surrend
It is not quite as interesting a question as say, questions that fall
under "What does Marxism have to do with structuralism or with
philosophy in general. " Theology finds a better fit with issues in
hermeneutics or pondering Wittgenstein (who has been described as
non-religious as well as Christi
Follow up.
Try reading about and reading some of the works of:
Ernst Bloch
Jürgen Moltmann
Rudolf Bultmann
For secondary sources, for example, see:
http://crs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/31/1-2/115
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2381215
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Second and most likely last follow up:
Starting with Hegel's dialectic, we could go very nicely to Feuerbach
and Bruner, and then on to Marx--but also Kierkegaard as well.
I've never approached Marx from a religious angle (had a religious
angle forced down my throat while studying Wittgenstein th
>>Thanks for the reference to this loathsome piece of shit,<<
Well for me the topic is something like a glass of sour milk being
dashed onto the redhot glowing elements of an electric heater. Could
anything good come from it? I tried by going back to the Young
Hegelians.
I guess some liberation t
One correction:
>>Feuerbach
and Bruner,<<
I meant Bruno Bauer there (although see also Brunner in the discussion
of dialectic in theology).
CJ
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Freak out of the week: I was trawling for stuff on Lonergan and came
up with a Time.com archive article that dates 1965!
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,940894-1,00.html
That was when Time still had extended discourse on real topics. I
remember reading about how the Vietnam War
Was Newton really that great a man?
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WL:>>As a practical question it never occurred to me to challenge individuals
about their belief system and I generally work with people around specific
issues that do not require philosophic debate as a precondition for activity.
Further, I long ago gave up philosophic discussions under the banner
I found this one to get me into that holiday mood!
http://www.historicist.com/newton/p1c4.htm
I beheld, saith Daniel, till the Beast was slain, and his body
destroyed, and given to the burning flames. As concerning the rest of
the Beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were
p
http://www.dhfaf.com/poetry.php?name=Poetry&op=shqas&poemsid=422
In Jerusalem
In Jerusalem, and I mean within the ancient walls,
I walk from one epoch to another without a memory
to guide me. The prophets over there are sharing
the history of the holy . . . ascending to heaven
and returning l
>>By communism movement I generally mean the spontaneous movement of humanity
toward cooperation that erupted with the overthrow of primitive communism. I
tend to alternate using words like the "Marxist movement" or communist and
Marxist movement to distinguish it from the spontaneous communist mov
Really, WL, your gidiness is contagious. I too am hopeful now that
GMAC has become a bank and GM got a federal loan to keep
overproducing.
And I can't wait for those outdoor Demoncratic Corn Soup Rallies of 2012!
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> 1. Support for Waistline's line (Charles Brown)
>>"Examining data on changes in the US work force, the authors show that job
>>losses due to higher productivity -- often the result of improving technology
>>-- greatly outnumber those lost to globalization. The authors cite Commerce
>>Depart
Hey WL
I largely agree with your analysis about productivity and the auto
industry--as well as the timeframe you give; however I don't think
that was the original disccussion on productivity, which in the
history of American capitalism, will be shown to be about as phony as
the productivity of Enr
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gy_Kq8ShgUTWvlOJKKPhcY02kVAw
Wave of layoffs dashes Japanese myth of job for life
1 day ago
TOYOTA, Japan (AFP) — Temporary workers like Toshie Helena Oguihara
were a driving force behind Japan's economic recovery in recent years,
but when the r
You have to wonder if Warren Buffett isn't in on the same racket,
given his interest in 'reinsurance'. At any rate, AIG is getting over
a hundred billion dollars in US funny money, so some of us are
supposed to give a shit, right?
--
http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_conte
To summarise the discussion so far, as I understand it:
Hudson hasn't had an original idea since the first Nixon
administration era, and like most of the people on A-List, full of
shit.
Lenin is dead, and hasn't had a chance to update his work lately.
And HCKL has never had an original idea in his
I think he popularized the collocation of dollar and hegemony. Hardly original.
As for original ideas, I mean specifically those that help us to
analyze our situation.
I suggest you read the business section of news publications.
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> 9. Super Capitalism, Super Imperialism and Monetary Imperialism
> (Charles Brown)
>>CB: Most of Lenin's concepts from 1916 don't need updating. Monopoly,
>>financial oligarchy cartels. financial sector dominance and parasitism of
>>industrial capital, objective laws or tendencies of ca
>> 5. Re: Lenin philosophy blog (farmela...@juno.com)
>>A little later on, Soviet psychologists
initiated attempts at developing their own
psychological theories which they hoped
would be consistent with basic Marxist principles
such as the materialist conception of history and
Lenin's analysis
And see:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/crisis/index.htm
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And see:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/elkonin/works/1971/stages.htm
Also important to note that Piaget, in attempting to work out a
description of the 'sciences of man', integrates Marxism into his
system.
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>>An industrial capital formation as a historically distinct sector of capital
no longer exist. I am not aware of one single economist of note that speaks
of an industrial sector of capital. Not one. The existence of Chrysler, Ford
or GM does not mean a sector of capital called industrial capit
This paper from 1997 does look prescient though--but then again I was
thinking the same sort of things in 1997 having seen Japan's crash and
then the run up to the Asian crisis (which was precipitated by
currency bets by the big players like Soros).
http://www.cbpa.drake.edu/hossein-zadeh/papers/H
>>The ideas that nothing has changed since Lenin is just intellectual laziness
and a refusal to admit that things change at best and dogmatism at worse.
GMAC not GM is the master of GM. GMAC is GM.
.
Dude, its all finance capital.<<
I'm not sure I'm following your arguments. One, who here has s
>>What a dazzling use of language from our linguist! Missed it first
time around, because CeJ goes straight to /dev/null.<<
Hey since irony is out this year (leftists have a world to save), I'll
take that as a compliment, even from someone like Duff Henwood. Thanks
Duff, and Happ
>>CB: As a linguist , you know it takes two to communicate (smile)<<
Extended quotes aren't communication if no one reads them, and they
seem to bring in a third party, don't they?
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>>CB: What are some of the specifics of that integration ?<<
That's a good question. I'll get back to you on that. I have a work on
the philosophy of 'human' sciences by Piaget (he was commissioned to
write it a few years before Lyotard was commissioned to tell us about
the post-modern episteme) b
>>Speculation as speculative capital, denotes something different than
speculation - risk taking, on the part of finance capital during the
era of Lenin.
Speculative capital as a concept means investment and risk taking on the basis
of financial institutions more than less detached from productio
>>>CB: What are some of the specifics of that integration ?<<
First, a correction. I must have imagined any Piaget-Vygotsky
correspondence. Piaget only found out about Vygotsky's work after his
death, through contact with people who studied under Vygotsky.
Second, we have discussed this before (o
WL>>Seems to me you do in fact get the distinction between productive capital
and speculative capital. A good Ponzi scheme is not back until it collapses.
Profits to be made from that side of the business constituting productive
capital has never been bad business. <<
I never said I didn't get suc
>>WL: CB . . . repeatedly and directly . . . in his line of arguing the
existence of industrial capital and Lenin's "Imperialism." And in
statement that
American society is not qualitatively different from feudal Russia. Russia
was after all basically feudal in its economic and social structu
I guess one question here is why Ford, Chrysler and GM didn't
re-invest profits into accumulating their industrial capital. One, if
the goal was to reach a certain level of production to stay
competitive in the world (what is the benchmark now, 2 million
vehicles per year?), the most obvious soluti
If only this guy would read Marx. No wait, that would just make him
another HCKL or something similar to that.
BTW, I noticed one of the more famous private equity groups, Carlyle
Group, is trying to put together big deals in overseas universities.
I guess they think 'American-quality' higher edu
>>You seem not to notice that the "individual" at whom I "threw" the
brand "Stalinist" wasBrezhnev.<<
Hey call me a Stalinist if you want, I couldn't give a toss,
really--just don't call me a Krugmanite.
I think the point to be made here though is we need more than Krugman
to critique the ev
And as the past 8 years (and before as well) have shown, MILITARISM
really hasn't left the 'equation' and in fact has grown even more
immense in its hold on the US. Of course we Marxists already knew
this, but here is the analysis showing up in American academia (albeit
from someone who is not Marx
I think this piece was published on 11 Sep 2001! I remember reading it
a few years ago but it is worth reading again. I have only pasted an
excerpt below, a part that seemed relevant to our current discussion
on MT.
CJ
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/att-s11.shtml
Excerpt:
>>However,
>>I read the article below and it sent a chill down my spine. CJ stated Obama
would not last six months. <<
1. I think you said something like, Give it six months.
2. I think I said something like, It won't even take one month before
the markets/people/media/awestruck Obama supporters/etc. lose
c
>>What's going to happen when it all comes tumbling down?
For example, his speech this morning painted an ambitious picture of
decisive action to be taken, as if Obama were the new FDR. But as
usual, he's trying to reconcile everyone and save the system as it is,
while purportedly clamping down o
I think those two words 'communism' and 'welfare' will scare some
people away. However, I think if Americans could see how much freer
they would be if they had guaranteed access to health care, retirement
and income (such as a guaranteed income when unemployed, a living
minimum wage etc.), they wou
>> It was soviet guns and support that made Israel a reality.
Mostly, indirectly via Czechoslovakia. The Soviet Union,
however, did much to make the creation of Israel possible.
They had backed the 1947 plan for the partition of Palestine.
They early on recognized the new state when it was created
> I think the Soviet material support came in the early 1950s, to better
> arm and get ready for even more fighting
Better correct myself on that. For example, see this (the site even
has a photo of a Messerschmidt that went to Israel). It seems like a
fairly pro-Israeli source at that. The aid wa
>>2 paragraphs; seven sentence explanation of financial crisis<<
I said back in 2001 that so-called risk diversification and management
just meant the crash would be big next around (that was on Duff
Henwood's hostile LBO Talk list). Some wanted to believe that risk had
been eliminated. Duff himse
See also
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2008/921/ee2.htm
excerpt:
After Czechoslovakia, now the Czech Republic and Slovakia, was
liberated from the Nazis by the Red Army, it became a socialist
republic, and its relations with the Middle East lurched in an even
stranger direction. In 1948 Stalin ord
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_(Israel)
Eleven minutes after the Declaration of Independence was signed,
President Truman de facto recognized the State of Israel, followed by
Iran (which had voted against the UN partition plan), Guatemala,
Iceland, Nicaragua, Romania and
Not to take anything away from Motown, but I often wondered why James
Brown (one of the true, true, true geniuses of American popular music
and culture) stayed away from them. So I did a bit of reading and
learned a lot (for me anyway, since I knew so little when I started)
about the music business
>>3). National health care is the perfect example of a winnable concession
because of the identity of interest between workers, capitalist and unemployed,
and everyone else.<<
Yeah, right, it's just around the corner, like the withdrawal from Iraq is.
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The video details among other things just how many children are dying
in the bombardments.
Always shocking, always dismaying. But sometimes it's better to force
yourself to look at it so as not to forget or let it be forced from
you memory. Lest we forget, Palestine is still THE issue by which so
m
>>Two Hundred years from now the Jews will choose an Arab as Prime
Minister of Israel
You should live so long!<<
All they would have to do (they being the ruling class of Israel) is
get Obama-wise and install an Arab Jew into their top position. I
guess the Euro-imperialist zionist types worry t
That WSJ article goes on and on but doesn't really detail the true
dirty deals that were made in order to paralyze the PLO while Hamas
benefited. However, while the imperialists have often criticized the
Marxist traditions as taking away too much 'agency' from humans, it's
interesting to see how th
Well, Canadians have access to health care, so that is why the US
industry has a lot of jobs located across the lake.
If anything, the reason why US automakers compete in Europe is the
post-war protectionism in Europe applied to the Japanese but not
American interests. So Japanese manufacturers we
Also don't you have to love how that WSJ makes it sound like the 2004
assassination of Sheik Yassin was 'collateral damage', rather than a
very specific hit ordered by that fat turd, Ariel Sharon (now
brainless apparently), with complicity of the Bushwa and his
collaborators in war crimes and crime
Some of the many things I learned over the past 8 years on 'leftist'
discussion lists
1. Peak oil is here, the price is on its way to 200 dollars a barrel,
and we will never see oil priced below 100 dollars a barrel (or 80 or
70 or 50 ).
(no comment necessary).
2. American workers really had
I should think that unemployment is tracked fairly accurately within
the parameters that the government sets to track it; however, it is
important to remember that this concept of unemployment then is not
really an indicator of unemployment, under-employment and lack of
sufficient-paying employment
>>CB: If only Carter had beat Reagan...maybe things would have been different<<
In some respects, Carter did beat Reagan.
1. He increased the military budgets before Reagan did.
2. He funnelled covert aid to the Afghan 'freedom fighters' before Reagan did.
3. He used military force against Iran.
OK now for the rest of the questions and comments.
>>^^CB: What's your thinking on global warming<<
Capitalism is never going to be up to the task of saving the planet
because of one simple word: profits. Hell, as it turns out capitalism
isn't even up to industrial capitalism because of one s
>>Charles Darwin's research to prove evolution was motivated by his desire to
>>end slavery<<
All those school boards in the South who don't want to teach evolution
and Darwin can now breathe a collective sigh of relief: they don't
have to rely on those weak religious arguments anymore!
CJ
>>The radical economist who taught me used the rule of thumb that the real
unemployment rate is about double what the BLS reports.CB<<
That's what I said on LBO T some years ago, and wow did a certain
individual throw a steaming hot hissy fit over that. Who is your
radical economist who taught you
What an f-ed up thread title. You might find Piaget's book
'Structuralism' interesting. Can't find an electronic version, and the
book, at least in English translation, is out of print (used copies
around). I think Althusser simply resented the attention Levi-Strauss
was getting once he had 'set up
Actually the discussion, such as it is, puts me most to mind of Bourdieu.
http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/fr/bourdieu.htm
In short, social science does not have to choose between that form of
social physics, represented by Durkheim — who agrees with social
semiology in
> The Marxist reform solution for getting
> us out of crisis depression is up and out
> of poverty ,now ! Unrestrict the
> consumption of the masses !
Careful CB, Republicans and Democrats will think you have a type of
Socialist Tourette's syndrome. But wait, I feel a few of my own
ejaculatory ex
>>CB: Actually, it's a shout out to
Waistline. Up and out of poverty
is an old slogan of Welfare Rights Organization
http://www.mwro.org/<<
Interesting. Are they Marxist? Do they include Marxists?
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>>[Alain Badiou (born 17 January 1937 in Rabat, Morocco) is a prominent
French philosopher, formerly chair of philosophy at the École Normale
Supérieure (ENS). Along with Giorgio Agamben and Slavoj Zizek, Badiou
is a prominent figure in an anti-postmodern strand of continental
philosophy. Particula
>>Interesting that Rosa should mention
Lamarckianism in this context, as
I have argued that culture and
language give humans a Lamarckian-like
adaptive mechanism. Culture and language
, symboling, allow inheritance of
acquired, extra-somatic , characteristics.<<
I think that would be a genetic mut
>>Interesting that Rosa should mention
Lamarckianism in this context, as
I have argued that culture and
language give humans a Lamarckian-like
adaptive mechanism. Culture and language
, symboling, allow inheritance of
acquired, extra-somatic , characteristics.<<
I think that would be a genetic mut
>>Interesting that Rosa should mention
Lamarckianism in this context, as
I have argued that culture and
language give humans a Lamarckian-like
adaptive mechanism. Culture and language
, symboling, allow inheritance of
acquired, extra-somatic , characteristics.<<
I think that would be a genetic mut
some kind of hiccup at gmail seems to have caused multiple posts. apologies.
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>>Language actually is the most efficient of
these "death barrier crossers". However,
language need not be _spoken_, it can
be gestures, i.e. sign language. Or it
could be a form of "written", but non-
alphabetical language, as in abstract use
of material objects as the symbolic
elements, tokens.
> Also, do you think other animals have an ability to use language
> across generations? It has been noted how groups of animals within a
> species will display their own 'culture'.
I should have stated it more carefully considering what you had
written earlier. I mean, do you think animals can d
>>CB: This is one of the worst unsupported, conclusory
assertions I've seen since
Ralph's embarrassing posts a couple of days
ago. An empty outburst, with no thought in it
whatsoever. Who cares what you "think"
without any argumentation ?<<
I thought it was a fairly good piece (assertion for n
What should we expect. He even reaches out to Republicans and keeps
people like Gates around.
He's a reacher!
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>>CB: Iraq and Afghanistan are not i
>>CB:If I was Obama , I'd say to the Taliban "look bros, obviously, you are
some bad motherfuckers because even Alexander couldn't conquer y'all, or was
it that Alexander was the only one who conquered y'all.<<
For a second there, I thought you were talking to some rap stars.
This is another m
>>What isn't possible is controlling S. Pakistan without the Pashtun
doing it (interestingly one of the myths the Pashtun hold about
themselves is that they are a lost tribe of Israel that found Islam
but whose leaders descend from Alexander's generals). <<
OOPS. I meant S. Afghanistan!
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If Cockshott had waited a bit more, he might not look the complete
fool he does here. This is still largely an argument based on the idea
that logistics is economics turned into a hard science. That would be
logistics on a macro-economic scale. That may be, but it is no more a
science of political
Also, it might interesting to note here that Koopmans won the prize
the same year (1975), and the work of Koopmans and Kantorovich really
follows from the first winner of the prize, Tinbergen. And Frisch btw
won it at the same time as Tinbergen. Although Kantorovich may be the
only 'Soviet' here, h
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