ty?
Bill Martin, Socialist Party.
--- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Lo All,
>>The state caps have been throwing around
a lot of "Stalinists" stuff lately, but I must admit that the letter by the
ISO is really interesting. The only thing appearing to be lacking in the
letter is the call by members to turn in anyone who is a suspect.. In fact it
LO All,
>>Consequently it would
seem that Lenin's vanguardist elitism was a necessary tool.
But the theory of the vanguard is
predicated on Lenin's (false) assumption of an inherently revolutionary
working class - i.e. that if the working class is objectively revolutiona
Title: Re: M-TH: Lenin and the working class
LO Again,
>>This wasn't just Lenin's assumption. It was Marx's and Engels's
too. The same way as the bourgeoisie was inherently revolutionary in relation
to feudalism. The historical role of the bourgeoisie was to emancipate
Lo Again,
>>They are condemned, then, to
being revolutionary.
We are condemned, King Lear like, to the duty
and possiblity of revolution, it is something that is irrevomovable from our
condition, but we have to choose to exorcise it.
>>Now in the north
LO All,
George: If the working class is,
as you claim, "potentially revolutionary" then there is no guarantee that it
can spontaneously turn revolutionary which is why a vanguard party is
necessary. You hoist yourself with your own petard.
Not at all - who said anything
ab
Lo Again,
>>Not at all - who said
anything about spontaneously revolutionary? What we have to do is
conscientiously and consciously buoild a mass movement for
>>revolution, it won't happen until the working class is willing and
conscious for change. How co
LO,
> This is difficult and fraught stuff, comrades. And worth talking about
for
> as long as it takes. But let's try to keep the arguments in focus and
> afford each others' personalities and perceived intentions a generous
> reading. Most Thaxists agree with each other about more things than
Dear George,
--
> The fact that Gusamao has apparently asked the remaining Indonesians
settlers to
> stay in East Timor is an indication of the reactionary politics of this
man.
> Again nationalism betrays the cause it is supposed to promote. He is only
some
> days back in East Timor and
Dear all,
--
> The World Trade Organisation negotiations with China is clear evidence
that the
> law of
> value does not operate in an unadulterated fashion. It is evidence that
there
> is no such
> thing as free trade in any comprehensive sense.
Are we talking about the same law of val
10 matches
Mail list logo
