Re: [MBZ] Only ONE Complaint

2008-01-04 Thread Zoltan Finks
Chuck, sorry to hear about this. As always, I admire your attitude toward things, though I was surprised (not averse to) the notion of you with a firearm. It really is a terrible feeling to realize that someone has messed with your stuff behind your back. I recall the feeling when I came out and

[MBZ] Supposed Tips on Fueling Up

2008-01-04 Thread Zoltan Finks
Now, I don't want to be one of those folks who perpetuate forwarded emails, but I just read this one and I bet y'all could provide great feedback. I heard a long time ago the one about not filling up when the gas delivery truck is filling the underground tanks and believed it. Brian Here at the

Re: [MBZ] 123 mpg was Re: 2.5 turbo

2008-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
you know, lost is the big mbz.org crash. I might have a backup at home but I doubt it. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008

Re: [MBZ] Mail System Error - Returned Mail

2008-01-04 Thread archer
ATTENTION! BARRY STARK --- Got several of these to which submissions to MBZ were attached. Gerry . - Original Message - From: Mail Administrator Postmaster@PostmasterDomain To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Only ONE Complaint

2008-01-04 Thread Dave H...
:) -- From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Only ONE Complaint My house in Phoenix got burglarized last night while I'm visiting my kids

Re: [MBZ] Is anybody sniping this?

2008-01-04 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Curt, If you go to look at this tomorrow, we can meet up and I'll go kick tires with you. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [MBZ] Only ONE Complaint

2008-01-04 Thread Dave H...
I am very sorry I have no idea how this occurred. I thought I was smiling/replying to a joke someone else had sent me .?? Dave H... -- From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond
The first reasonable post on this in awhile. I find it interesting how spotty cell phones seem to be elsewhere. My old man was forced to give up his bag phone a few years ago. Now we find that even my abomninable Verizon Motorola got reasonably good reception everywhere we went in the back

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread LarryT
You wrote:The only difference was that color would play on a BW TV The *only* difference?? You say that like it;s a minor thing! That's HUGE! Faced with working Vs not working - some people will choose working - and make the needed purchases to make that happen - which they should if they

Re: [MBZ] Is anybody sniping this?

2008-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond
Except that its a 190D. Mine with rust around the jack points, needing brakes, shocks, a balljoint and some other crap was $2950... This is an '87 190D 2.5T -Curt Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:57:00 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is anybody sniping this? To:

Re: [MBZ] bad motor and its still going for this much?

2008-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Why was it said they could not be sleeved? Do the 3.0 603's have sleeves? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:14 PM

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread LarryT
I doubt everyone (like the number suggests) willingly decided to upgrade to digital Exactly. They gradually degrade service until digital becomes mandatory to guarantee consistant service. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results

Re: [MBZ] Only ONE Complaint

2008-01-04 Thread LarryT
My house in Phoenix got burglarized last night while I'm visiting my kids Just want to know where I can call to register a complaint Maybe the Burgulars Union? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results

Re: [MBZ] OU stinking up the tostitos again!

2008-01-04 Thread Mitch Haley
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: There was an article in the Tulsa World the other day about a new website that you can go to that tells what the state spend money on, who gets paid what etc. OU pres Boren gets something like 30k a month, the coach gets 209k a month. wow. Michigan State

Re: [MBZ] Is anybody sniping this?

2008-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
I have been watching it but not going after it, too far away and no money. Its a good deal though if it stays that cheap --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent:

Re: [MBZ] Only ONE Complaint

2008-01-04 Thread LarryT
You wrote:sorry I have no idea how this occurred. I thought I was smiling/replying to a joke You were - anyone looking to see what you were replying to would see that - did someone question your smiley face? ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and

Re: [MBZ] ACC acting up again ('84 300DT)

2008-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Did you check to see if it was drawing air in thru the temp sensor on the dash --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: [MBZ] ACC

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond
If your argument were true there would be some company stepping up to take over the analog cable spectrum. There isn't so obviously its not worth it. You're being forced to move up because it costs extra to support that small segment that won't move. Why should your cable company be forced to

Re: [MBZ] OU stinking up the tostitos again!

2008-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
There was an article in the Tulsa World the other day about a new website that you can go to that tells what the state spend money on, who gets paid what etc. OU pres Boren gets something like 30k a month, the coach gets 209k a month. wow. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO

Re: [MBZ] bad motor and its still going for this much?

2008-01-04 Thread LarryT
The problem is the nickel (??) plating the factory plates the bores with. It has to be more than a surface coating and the equipment needed to do it properly is prohibitively expensive for the small fish. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber

Re: [MBZ] OT booting from a floppy

2008-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
I have gone into the repair deal, but iirc, it take you to a command prompt thing and from there I have not been able to figure out. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] Only ONE Complaint

2008-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond
Ever read the Discworld books by Terry Pratchet? Once robbed by the thieves guild you get a pass so nobody else will rob you for awhile. -Curt Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:11:38 -0500 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Only ONE Complaint To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electronics question

2008-01-04 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:19:56 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah I thought about that idea, the box is pretty small though and the heatsinks are just bars of metal, I don't think they're optimum for cooling with just extra air. I think the convection system with the top

Re: [MBZ] 123 mpg was Re: 2.5 turbo

2008-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Yea, thats what I figured. Those were lost. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 mpg was Re:

Re: [MBZ] bad motor and its still going for this much?

2008-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
No, factory engines have the updated rods. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] bad motor

Re: [MBZ] Mail System Error - Returned Mail

2008-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond
I got tons of them today. One for each post I've made to the list. IIRC Barry says its not/wasn't him and Kaleb says that account isn't on the list anyway. Which makes me thing somebody's email has a virus or something. -Curt Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 04:49:24 -0500 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Is anybody sniping this?

2008-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond
Wish I had time. My folks are coming tonight so we can go to have dinner with my mom's family tomorrow... -Curt Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:33:24 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is anybody sniping this? To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Mail System Error - Returned Mail

2008-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
yea, I think so, in any case, nothing I can do about it from my end. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ]

Re: [MBZ] Supposed Tips on Fueling Up

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. How deep are they? You don't have to get very deep before the

Re: [MBZ] Only ONE Complaint

2008-01-04 Thread Dave H...
No, no one said anything about it. Immediately after I sent it, I was advised that I had received a new email from me on the Mercedes Discussion List. I certainly did not want anyone to believe that I was smiling because a fellow list member got robbed. Dave H...

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When color tv came out we got stuck with a SUCKY TV standard because of all the whiners that had to keep the BW tvs. The compromises made totally ruined what could have been a good thing Back then, a television set was a major purchase, relative to most

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 4, 2008 6:05 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other really good point the complainers seem to ignore is that the analog towers aren't likely to be shutdown and mothballed. That just doesn't make any sense at all. They'll be converted to digital and things will go on.

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: which is why mcdonald's probably tried to get the coffee right, as there are likely man people who will accept mediocre food as the cost of fast food but cannot live with crappy drink. McDonalds for most of its history made decisions on the basis of what

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electronics question

2008-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond
Yeah I know Allowing convection to actually work vs the unvented case should be a heck of an improvement though... Apparently the last one that failed lasted ~1 month and was the longest lived of the 3 he'd had. This one he set up on 2 pens to allow air to circulate under the box. So if

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread LarryT
Howdy John, Didn;t mean to imply they would turn off towers - but as far as upgrading phones - when I bought my last phones all I wanted was a basic phone - all I do is place calls - don;t need a screen, send/receive text, a camera, and all the other enhancements on the phones. Looking at

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Gary Hurst
and now you will get to drink cold nasty coffee as well. On Jan 4, 2008 10:45 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: which is why mcdonald's probably tried to get the coffee right, as there are likely man people who will accept mediocre food as the

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Gary Hurst
which is why it really doesn't pay to make any concessions. fry in fat! serve hot coffee! On Jan 4, 2008 11:31 AM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with McDonald's at all. Changing what they fry the food in or how they make milkshakes

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 4, 2008 8:59 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for digital picking up where analog left off, I'll believe it when I see it. Show me a coverage map from any of the major carriers that indicates digital service is available

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread dave walton
People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with McDonald's at all. Changing what they fry the food in or how they make milkshakes is just a marketing gimmick to attract fat slobs that think having a diet coke with their fat-burger will make a difference. Use common sense - saving a

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread pm7088
-- Original message -- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are on a healthy diet - McDonald's has NOTHING to offer you, regardless of the serving size. -Dave Walton Not in complete agreement here. Mickey's salads (w/wout broiled chicken) are

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread John Robbins
LarryT wrote: Exactly. They gradually degrade service until digital becomes mandatory to guarantee consistant service. And how did they do that? I think somebody would notice and complain if they turned off a tower. Come on! Most people upgrade their phones!! That is 99% of the reason

Re: [MBZ] bad motor and its still going for this much?

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
Still no more bids this morning. It'll probably get active nearer the end. Anyone with a CARFAX account run the VIN? Maybe there's something else in its history. The listing does say MB Rebuild with reference to the engine. Allan Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No,

Re: [MBZ] (NE) Customer Complaint - Store 3212

2008-01-04 Thread andrew strasfogel
I went to a Costco while in Atlanta over Xmas. That is one FINE store, and I hear they even pay their employees generously, unlike some other big boxers. On Jan 4, 2008 1:11 AM, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wallyworld has to pay at least $8.07 here in Washington. Looks like there are

Re: [MBZ] bad motor and its still going for this much?

2008-01-04 Thread Gary Thompson
Autocheck shows clean, stayed in NC its entire life. Three titles issued... Report Run Date:: 01/04/2008 Vehicle: 1991 Mercedes-Benz 300 Series 300SD (WDBCB34D1MA575518) Event date Location Odometer reading Data Source Details 11/19/1990 ADVANCE, NC Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for digital picking up where analog left off, I'll believe it when I see it. Show me a coverage map from any of the major carriers that indicates digital service is available *everywhere* in the USA, the way analog is now, and I'll gladly stand

Re: [MBZ] Inner city driving

2008-01-04 Thread R A Bennell
You are right. My wife wants one. I've been discouraging this. It just makes no sense to me at all. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] OU stinking up the tostitos again!

2008-01-04 Thread andrew strasfogel
I suppose you could do a cost benefit analysis that shows what a good return on investment $1 MM is for a coach's salary in terms of revenues generated for the school. On Jan 4, 2008 9:19 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: There was an article in the

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's encouraging! Yep, if I could get just a bit more signal strength I'd give serious consideration to dropping my land line. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Gary Hurst
all this talk makes me hungry. i think i'm going to go to mcdonalds to get some lunch On Jan 4, 2008 12:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, they do have some salads I suppose you could eat and be healthy --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Gary Hurst
that's exactly what i want to know. there is this fundamental decency in americans of northern european descent where if someone complains they feel the need to be some concessions to them to be fair. many northern europeans do not complain at all no matter how grievous the circumstances. they

Re: [MBZ] Inner city driving

2008-01-04 Thread andrew strasfogel
To each his own. The Smart, loathsome to some, is cute to les girls. On Jan 3, 2008 11:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, the scary part is the ban. If I want to drive my old car into your pretty downtown, just make me pay for it. Don't deny it outright... that way I can still take

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Well, they do have some salads I suppose you could eat and be healthy --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:31 AM

Re: [MBZ] Is anybody sniping this?

2008-01-04 Thread andrew strasfogel
Sounds like a perfect, if offbeat, family outing opportunity! On Jan 4, 2008 9:53 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wish I had time. My folks are coming tonight so we can go to have dinner with my mom's family tomorrow... -Curt Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:33:24 -0500 From: Dwight E.

Re: [MBZ] Supposed Tips on Fueling Up

2008-01-04 Thread andrew strasfogel
Oh great, something else to worry about. :(( On Jan 4, 2008 10:52 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with McDonald's at all. So why do they spoil it for the rest of us? -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread dave walton
I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility to eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance plans that perform the bypass operations,

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Gary Hurst
you are right. i had some heirloom mcdonald's fries i found under that car seat. they tasted pretty good too! On Jan 4, 2008 12:30 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Baloney phoney. Food never tasted better. We are in a renaissance where healthful food tastes great - period.

Re: [MBZ] Inner city driving

2008-01-04 Thread andrew strasfogel
Please buy her one. We will pay cash if you drive it down to us. On Jan 4, 2008 12:30 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right. My wife wants one. I've been discouraging this. It just makes no sense to me at all. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Supposed Tips on Fueling Up

2008-01-04 Thread R A Bennell
Not so sure about more modern vehicles, but I recall that my old Chevy pickup used to spill extra fuel out onto the ground if I filled early. I guess the fuel expanded once it warmed up and there wasn't enough room in the tank. Ok if I drove it a bit after filling but not good if filled and

Re: [MBZ] (NE) Customer Complaint - Store 3212

2008-01-04 Thread LWB250
Costcos seem to be somewhat inconsistent. When I lived in S. San Francisco, there was a Costco close by that had a wonderful selection of stuff, a lot of it with depth (more than one brand of a product, different levels of quality, etc.) They opened a Costco near the house down here a few years

[MBZ] ACC acting up again ('84 300DT)

2008-01-04 Thread Glenn Brown
Re: foam tube I replaced the foam tube some years ago, so the problem must be elsewhere. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread andrew strasfogel
Baloney phoney. Food never tasted better. We are in a renaissance where healthful food tastes great - period. We can eat better AND live longer. I grow heirloom vegetables from the last century and they make summer worth waiting for. On Jan 4, 2008 10:45 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Inner city driving

2008-01-04 Thread R A Bennell
You might want to get one right now them. If I understood something that I read recently, we won't have the diesel version anymore either. The new and improved model is gasoline powered. It loses whatever appeal it had for me based upon that change. Can you bring one in from Canada and get it

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Dave H...
Where do you get the seeds for these vegetables? My understanding, very limited, was that the conglomerate farms were putting the seed business out of business so that they could monopolize the market with genetically altered non seeding plants Dave H...

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread R A Bennell
The one really good thing about McD is that it is pretty consistent. Stop at any McD and the food will be about the same. If one is travelling and has no knowledge of local restaurants then it is a reasonably safe bet for a quick bite. Probably no worse than any of the other fast food chains.

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)

2008-01-04 Thread Robert Rentfro
Dudeall I'm saying is McD's is good at what they do. Isn't that like saying that Bud makes the best piss-water beer on the planet or that Kraft makes the best Cheese-whiz in a can? Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm not telling people to eat McD's or drink icky beer...all I'm saying is

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Rich Thomas
Man I love a 6pack of BudLaht tallboys and a can o' CheezWhiz and a big ol' box of Ritz crackers -- man dat be some fine eatin! --R Robert Rentfro wrote: Dudeall I'm saying is McD's is good at what they do. Isn't that like saying that Bud makes the best piss-water beer on the planet

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Rich Thomas
I'm off to get me some chili cheese fries for lunch, with a Big Gulp Coke and a coupla candy bars for dessert. Man that 7-11 serves up some tasty vittles! --R dave walton wrote: Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that health-conscious people like my myself stop

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility to eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread dave walton
You are quite correct, and I don't mind paying more for my activities that increase risk of injury. I don't agree that the current health insurance system works, however. -Dave Walton On Jan 4, 2008 2:08 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, Your logic can be applied to just about

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Without attempting to be political, I am not clever enough, I might suggest that you all view Michael Moore's DVD entitled Sicko. I believe it does an excellent job of laying out the facts of America's vs. many other nation's health/insurance policies.

Re: [MBZ] Inner city driving

2008-01-04 Thread archer
Reminds me of the BMW Isettas of the 1950s. One problem with them was that they tended to go airbourne if they got hit. Gerry -- From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are right. My wife wants one. I've been discouraging this. It just makes no sense to me at

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
Your account does not correlate to my knowledge. Have you worked in a McDonalds? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 Sunny Letot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, and the french fries? No one made McDonald's give up the beef tallow. (And yes, the fries were crisper and tastier fried in 93% tallow

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Gary Hurst
healthy lifestyle people cost more than unhealthy because they get old. you spend the last 5 or 10 years of your life under constant care at huge expense. i'm long dead by then. On Jan 4, 2008 12:57 PM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no problem for people accepting the personal

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Tom Hargrave
Dave, There is actually some well founded data behind Gary's statement. Those who smoke tend to die earlier draw less funds from the SS system and are less of a burden on the system. But this logic only works if we all decide to retire at the same age. If all healthy people continued to work

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Mitch Haley
dave walton wrote: Uninsured people that show up at the ER hopefully get at least some treatment but pay little or nothing for it. Speak for yourself. As an uninsured person, I pay $1000 for an ER visit that an insurance company might have allowed them $300 for. Best I can do is negotiate a

[MBZ] compusa

2008-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT)
I guess they are going out of business. Needed to go by there to get a power supply and everything was 20% off. Apparantly the whole company is going out of business. When I need something local I go there. Strange. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
That sounds pretty interesting I will have to check that out... thanks for the info. Allan John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 12:11:58PM -0500, Allan Streib wrote: Yep, if I could get just a bit more signal strength I'd give serious consideration to

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Dave H...
John, That is a response anyone could be proud of : Dave H... -- From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 2:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot Allan Streib

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit

2008-01-04 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: Your account does not correlate to my knowledge. Have you worked in a McDonalds? Yeah, I thought all the bioburners said that McD's fryer grease was solid at room temperatures and came in baggies in cardboard boxes instead of the 35lb plastic carboys that soy oil comes

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Gary Hurst
better, as the fresh ones are often hot and might burn you On Jan 4, 2008 1:00 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFL! Probably not much different than fresh ones, eh? Gerry From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] you are right. i had some heirloom mcdonald's fries i found under that car

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Timothy Robinson
Why can;t the cable companies offer one more packahe where the customer chooses what they want? There is bound to be a cost per channel which when added together would equal my option cost. Different channels might have different costs - people should be given the option of choosing what

[MBZ] Another dead overpriced burb

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Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread dave walton
The current system is covering up huge inequities in coverage and costs in providing care. Uninsured people that show up at the ER hopefully get at least some treatment but pay little or nothing for it. Those costs are absorbed into the system. Once those treatments are itemized and accounted for

[MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit

2008-01-04 Thread Sunny Letot
Hey, guys, has anyone noticed how long ago the McDonald's lawsuit took place? It was over and done with in August of 1994! McDonald's made whatever changes they felt necessary in their coffee temps within no more than 12 months (at that time, they updated their protocols and master

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Gary Hurst
i'm inclined to let everyone pay their own way for everything. that way my descendants won't have to subsidize you and your longevity after i'm gone On Jan 4, 2008 1:46 PM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The current system is covering up huge inequities in coverage and costs in providing

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Timothy Robinson
I personally don't like the HOT McDonald's coffee. Then again, last time I tried it was many years ago when the local DID have an old water jacketed urn and perhaps I did get the idea they just continued to add and never brewed fresh. It was so hot I couldn't taste it. I'll admit that was in the

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread dave walton
Actually, statistically speaking, I will earn income and pay taxes longer than you, will remain active for more years and will require less total medical care than an unhealthy person that dies at a younger age. But don't let me stop you from ignoring the facts if that makes you feel better.

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Gary Hurst
anything but. you are the drain on the system, not me. hell, i'm not even in the system all that much and am trying to figure out how to get out entirely. On Jan 4, 2008 2:07 PM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, statistically speaking, I will earn income and pay taxes longer

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Tom Hargrave
Dave, Your logic can be applied to just about any lifestyle. For example, do you ride a bicycle or run? If so then why should my insurance pay for your hospital stay just because you decided to participate in this high risk activity and you were hit by a car? After all, it's your decision to go

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Mitch Haley
Dave H... wrote: that you all view Michael Moore's DVD entitled Sicko. Sorry, Dave, you can pay me enough to make me watch anything directed by that lying sicko. Just so you know, he has produced deliberate falsehoods and called it documentary in the past. (not a comment on Sicko, which I

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread dave walton
So does that mean you are going to refuse the bypass surgery? -Dave Walton On Jan 4, 2008 2:09 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anything but. you are the drain on the system, not me. hell, i'm not even in the system all that much and am trying to figure out how to get out entirely.

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit

2008-01-04 Thread Gary Hurst
i worked at a little ceaser's once and that was ONE CRAPPY JOB. On Jan 4, 2008 2:23 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your account does not correlate to my knowledge. Have you worked in a McDonalds? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 Sunny Letot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, and

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread John Robbins
LarryT wrote: Didn;t mean to imply they would turn off towers - but as far as upgrading phones - when I bought my last phones all I wanted was a basic phone - all I do is place calls - don;t need a screen, send/receive text, a camera, and all the other enhancements on the phones. Looking at

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Rich Thomas
My neighbor was an ER Trauma Surgeon at the Level 4 Trauma Hospital here in Houston, where they fly in all the people they scrape up from car accidents, shootings, stabbings, etc. His boss took him aside one day to go over his numbers (which for some impractical reason they track). They were

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread archer
ROFL! Probably not much different than fresh ones, eh? Gerry From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] you are right. i had some heirloom mcdonald's fries i found under that car seat. they tasted pretty good too! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Baloney phoney. Food never tasted better. We are in a

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Gary Hurst
yeah, that really is what gets me kicked out of the few medical offices i've been to. why the hell do they ask me to pay $125 for something that costs another customer only $37? can you imagine the outcry if you were on line at a department store and the person in front of you gets charged $37

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Gary Hurst
i don't need any bypass surgery. that is for people who eat margarine. i eat pure and healthy animal fats in large quantities, so no need for any bypass. On Jan 4, 2008 2:14 PM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So does that mean you are going to refuse the bypass surgery? -Dave Walton

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread Dave H...
Allen, To each his own - TG. My belief is that we are swallowing what the media tells us to digest without bothering to check on anything ourselves. There can be no doubt of Michael's previous history of employment but that does not necessarily mean that his current offerings are meant to

Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot

2008-01-04 Thread John Robbins
Allan Streib wrote: Based on the source, I'd guess that the facts in that movie are few and far between, and carefully chosen to support an agenda. I'm sure there are lots of valid facts in there... the problem is that the counterargument doesn't have *any*. MM is the last person I would

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