Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy

2014-04-04 Thread clay
Living was so much more jolly when we had public executions. Cathartic in seeing wrong doers being delivered from evil. Now we just have to read about how nothing of any moral value is being done to rectify the wrongs. clay On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:20 PM, OK Don wrote: I suspect that it's

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

2014-04-04 Thread clay
I do not frequent the wally world. Not when it was stocked with USA products, not now. When it was a small, local concern, I might have been inclined, but when they decided to plop giant boxes that killed small towns, and ran the folks who supplied them with product out of business, I found I

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
i only buy socks made in fort payne as those people have always been nice to me well, ok, i did cheat on them once 10 years ago buying some wool socks from a mill in NC On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Date:

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
yeah, i mean, i find it shocking how much andrew and i see eye to eye. this milton friedman approach of just caring about the dollar bottom line and all else be damned doesn't seem to work on any level on the other hand, i used to love to listen to dr friedman talk as he was witty and brilliant

Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
you need a hobby to occupy your mind On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: clay wrote: I am still confused about ACA. ...Does this mean there are still 40 million people with no health program? I don't have insco and I don't qualify for ACA.

Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
which is pretty obscene to my mind. i mean, imagine you walk into a store to buy a pair of shoes and the price for the exact same shoes varies from 37 to 150 dollars depending on your affiliations. you'd certainly resent that, no? why is it just fine in healthcare? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
perhaps close enough to fort payne to justify a purchase On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
yeah, back in the day, carhartt was all USA. now that i almost fit into them again, i discover they have gone offshore as well :( On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me.

Re: [MBZ] Car Farts

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
it amazes me how people so love bosch product when nearly all the aftermarket stuff is between mediocre and dismal. just this week i had a guy insist on all bosch filters and nothing could convince him otherwise. i can't recall ever putting anyone in bosch wires as that just borders on sadism.

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
i have a walmart on my corner. i avoid it like the plague. kid likes it as you can get anything there at 3AM. place is packed 24/7 the reality is that even having divested myself of most of my stuff, i still have way too much stuff anyway. walmart is not great value anyway. goodwill is great

Re: [MBZ] I bet this is slow

2014-04-04 Thread Max Dillon
Like the car, have to see it in person. Seller talks a lot without really saying too much... -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: April 3, 2014 9:29:50 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Max Dillon
Just may buy those socks as Christmas presents this year, thanks! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: April 3, 2014 6:30:50 PM EDT To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? An

[MBZ] OT Must have been something wrong with the car

2014-04-04 Thread Rich Thomas
http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/weird/2014/04/03/elderly-woman-drives-through-cvs-store-winter-haven/7249057/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] OT Must have been something wrong with the car

2014-04-04 Thread Max Dillon
I suspect there was a nut loose behind the wheel... -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: April 4, 2014 9:08:37 AM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Must have been

Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-04 Thread Tim Crone
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: which is pretty obscene to my mind. i mean, imagine you walk into a store to buy a pair of shoes and the price for the exact same shoes varies from 37 to 150 dollars depending on your affiliations. you'd certainly

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond
Again the answers to your questions are easy. A. We (the royal we here) want to pay as little as possible for everything so we can have more junk. This forces stuff to be made as cheaply as possible which requires slave wages. B. 50 years ago there was no need for education since Johnny could

Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-04 Thread Richard Hattaway
I really don't think it is 'just fine' with health care, but it's accepted practice all the way to POTUS, so obviously I am in the minority. The thing I don't get is that this 'mentality' protects the folks who can afford healthcare insurance ( wealthier ) while shafting the poor who cannot in

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond
I have a pair of made in the USA Red Wings and a pair of made in Italy hiking boots which are in fact my daily footwear. After 3 years my hikers need new soles. I'm debating seeing if I can find somebody to do the job or paying LL Bean for another pair. For dress shoes I have a pair of Italian

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Dan Penoff
Just like my dress shoes. Two words: Allen Edmonds Newest pair is 16 years old. Oldest pair in excess of 20. Need to break down and buy a new pair of black loafers this year. Will probably cost me $300 unless I go to Port Washington this summer and attend their tent sale. Money very well

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond
I'm not sure I buy the killed small towns. I live in a small town, theres a Wal-Mart one town over, we still have an IGA, a hardware store, typical small town stuff. The city with the Wal-Mart has several grocery stores and many other stores of all different types. The places which died were

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Dan Penoff
I don't have time to go into all of the details right now, but I can assure you that Walmart's entry into our area killed most of the small businesses. I knew two of them personally. One was a pharmacy that was a two generation business (we had two pharmacies in town.) Walmart approached both,

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Randy Bennell
Do bear in mind however, that the USA likes to export things too and if everyone bought only goods made in their own country there would be no exports. Like it or not, there is a world economy and we do have to try to fit into it. Theoretically, if they can do it cheaper, or better, or

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Rich Thomas
My grandparents lived outside a smallish town in KY. I was there once and wanted to build some steps for their house. So my dad and I go off and hit the 2 lumberyards in town to get some deck screws and treated lumber. Neither store had deck screws. So off to 2 hardware stores,

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Randy Bennell
On 04/04/2014 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: My grandparents lived outside a smallish town in KY. I was there once and wanted to build some steps for their house. So my dad and I go off and hit the 2 lumberyards in town to get some deck screws and treated lumber. Neither store had deck screws.

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Richard Hattaway
Thinking of Randy's concern about plastic in the house, and remembering when the class action lawsuit forced a vendor to replumb my lake house... the one Dan remembers... Plastic is not forever... On Friday, April 4, 2014 12:34 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/04/2014

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Dan Penoff
I was never so excited as the day an Ace Hardware opened in a nearby strip mall that also has a Walmart. They have the majik boxes that contain all sorts of odd, weird and unique fasteners and hardware. They are far more expensive than the four big box (Lowes Home Despot) that are within 7

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Randy Bennell
Foreign countries - especially the 3rd world countries tend to concentrate on science and technical education much more than we do in the west. They understand that is the way to improving their lot in life. We tend to be lazy and pat people on the back because they got a liberal arts degree.

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
Click american made retailers on Bing or other search engines. Gerry On 4/3/2014 10:38 PM, Craig wrote: On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 18:45:48 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: An example I'm completely taken with

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread WILTON
Ya need to buy more of those NC socks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? i only buy socks made in fort payne as

Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy

2014-04-04 Thread G Mann
What comes to my mind is more along the lines of the French Revolution and liberal use of Guillotine in public discharge of ruling class. Adjusted for present ruling class, of course, but by citizens not government. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:04 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Living was

[MBZ] Georgia gun rights bill

2014-04-04 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
It’s been dubbed the “guns everywhere” bill, and once it’s signed into law it will make Georgia the latest state to allow firearms to be carried in churches, bars, airports and classrooms. The bill, passed with bipartisan support in the legislature, is jam-packed with changes to the state’s

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread G. M. Brown
Regarding Lowe's, I made a number of trips to Lowe's when I first moved here in '07 and was rather disappointed that they either didn't have what I was looking for or one couldn't find anyone knowledgeable enough to help, so I went to the local Ace hardware downtown and found that they are very

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Dan Penoff
Nice house. I could have lived there, plastic plumbing our not. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: Thinking of Randy's concern about plastic in the house, and remembering when the class action lawsuit forced a vendor to

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Michael Canfield
How do they compare to Muck boots? Mike On Apr 4, 2014 10:40 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Just like my dress shoes. Two words: Allen Edmonds Newest pair is 16 years old. Oldest pair in excess of 20. Need to break down and buy a new pair of black loafers this year. Will probably cost

Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
yes, it shocks me as medicine is the only business i know where cash customers pay the most, often by a factor of many. it was one of the first factors in my alienation from the doctors. if you'd do this job for $42 for aetna, why are you asking me for $150? On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:35 AM,

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
i concur, although i was too cheap at the end of the day to buy them and ended up with johnston murphy instead. that was 25 years ago as i have so little use for real shoes for my dad, there was but one brand of shoe, floorchime, but they have long ago been all imported my understanding is

Re: [MBZ] Georgia gun rights bill

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
i kinda like it On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: It's been dubbed the guns everywhere bill, and once it's signed into law it will make Georgia the latest state to allow firearms to be carried in churches, bars, airports and classrooms.

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
as i now reside full time in south florida, my need for NC mill wool socks has gone from limited to non existent i used to have my clothes made by an old woman in the hood from north carolina sourced cloth, but she just stopped working at the youthful age of 93, leaving me to the fat man catalog

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
downtowns are really making a comeback over the last couple of decades. yours never came back? On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I don't have time to go into all of the details right now, but I can assure you that Walmart's entry into our area killed most of

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
same thing with my chassidim in rockland county, ny. they often bypass their own merchants to buy at the walmart, although the community as a whole still opposed walmart moving to a better location andn opening a super walmart On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Rich Thomas

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Gary Hurst
every town used to have the great old hardware store with inventory of oddities dating back often to the 19th century. along with the great old hardware store came the great old hardware man who knew in his head where every screw in the store was those were better days for me On Fri, Apr 4,

[MBZ] NOT Walmart but Mercedes

2014-04-04 Thread Rich Thomas
http://jalopnik.com/mercedes-f1s-secret-is-it-split-its-turbo-in-half-1558154190/+gmanaugh --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] NOT Walmart but Mercedes

2014-04-04 Thread Randy Bennell
On 04/04/2014 2:46 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://jalopnik.com/mercedes-f1s-secret-is-it-split-its-turbo-in-half-1558154190/+gmanaugh --R ___ I was at the local car show a couple of weeks back and one of the things on display was an exhaust system for a

Re: [MBZ] NOT Walmart but Mercedes

2014-04-04 Thread Dwight Giles
I was drooling over the new GLK250 bluetec at the stealers this week. It has a bi turbo. On Apr 4, 2014 3:46 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://jalopnik.com/mercedes-f1s-secret-is-it-split-its- turbo-in-half-1558154190/+gmanaugh --R

Re: [MBZ] NOT Walmart but Mercedes

2014-04-04 Thread Dwight Giles
Only about 39k for basic model. 53k base price for E250 bluetec. Double drool. On Apr 4, 2014 5:07 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Wow, a GLKBT --R On 4/4/14 4:46 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: I was drooling over the new GLK250 bluetec at the stealers this week. It

Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-04 Thread Greg Fiorentino
The figure touted by the administration is 7 million, but various surveys report that between 2/3 and 3/4 of those had previous insurance that was cancelled by the so-called ACA. So the fact is that very few of those 47 million have actually been covered by the ACA. Probably only 2.3 million or

Re: [MBZ] NOT Walmart but Mercedes

2014-04-04 Thread Rich Thomas
Wow, a GLKBT --R On 4/4/14 4:46 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: I was drooling over the new GLK250 bluetec at the stealers this week. It has a bi turbo. On Apr 4, 2014 3:46 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://jalopnik.com/mercedes-f1s-secret-is-it-split-its-

[MBZ] OT: Cop prank

2014-04-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
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Re: [MBZ] Britain mimicking America, (or America mimicking Britain?)

2014-04-04 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
No, I didn't write that. My kids went to school beginning in '61 and '64. Daughter had one seemingly poor teacher in grade school who said she would not pass to the next grade 2 weeks before the end of the school year. Daughter and I sat on the couch those two weeks while I helped her learn

[MBZ] Political money

2014-04-04 Thread Frederick Moir
With the latest Supreme Court decision, the Preamble should start with the phrase:- We, the corporations,...   Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Like the old parts man that knew every part number in his head. I bet Trent is like that. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: every town used to have the great old hardware store with inventory of oddities dating back often to the 19th

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Scott Ritchey
My well water is slightly acid (ph-wise). In 2005 I replaced all the existing 1960s-vintage copper plumbing with PEX. The old rigid copper pipes were quite thin by then and the flex tubing would leak if you flexed it. The plumber used a short section of corrugated copper flex to connect the

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Mountain Man
Randy rambled: ...So we get more and more people with minimal skills who expect a good job without having to work for it. You are repeating what MSM says. There are no skilled jobs available anymore. That is why MSM also tells us that 100k student debt kids are doing barista work or asking if

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread WILTON
Florsheim? ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? i concur, although i was too cheap at the end of the day to buy them

Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-04 Thread Mountain Man
Gary wrote: why is it just fine in healthcare? Why is it just fine in hospitalization? - that is what you mean. Caring for one's health is very diverse in food and exercise. Caring for one's health is not diverse, i.e. nobody's health depends on processed foods, pharmaceuticals that mimic real

Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-04 Thread Mountain Man
Gary wrote: you need a hobby to occupy your mind My hobby is called okiebenz. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread WILTON
They don't hafta be wool; how 'bout NC cotton? I'm just trying to drum up a market for the poor farmers around here. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 3:13 PM

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Rick Knoble
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 18:14:03 -0500 From: maontin@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? There are no skilled jobs available anymore. I have to call BS on that one. That is why MSM also tells us that

Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-04 Thread Mountain Man
Richard wrote: The thing I don't get is that this 'mentality' protects the folks who can afford healthcare insurance ( wealthier ) while shafting the poor... The poor cannot be taken to court for non payment, can they? If a poor person files as bankrupt and there are no assets, what can be

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread Mountain Man
Rick wrote: I will post more help wanted for electricians, mechanical maintenance, ect. in the Chicago-land area if you like, later. Factor in a few outstanding negatives and I bet I still remain without paycheck. Leave the jobs to younger people like I was a few years ago and let the younger

[MBZ] 14 or 15?

2014-04-04 Thread Mitchell Haley, EA
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/pts/4407286215.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All

Re: [MBZ] 14 or 15?

2014-04-04 Thread Dwight Giles
All the bundts I have seen ARE 14. I have several in my basement. YMMV.. On Apr 4, 2014 9:37 PM, Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net wrote: http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/pts/4407286215.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] 14 or 15?

2014-04-04 Thread Mitchell Haley, EA
All the bundts I have seen ARE 14. I have several in my basement. YMMV.. W116 6.9 came with 15. Those are the only ones I know of, and obviously about as rare as W116 parts cars with M100 engines. (well, about 1/5 as rare, if most of the parts cars have five wheels) Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-04 Thread Mitchell Haley, EA
Richard wrote: The poor cannot be taken to court for non payment, can they? If a poor person files as bankrupt and there are no assets, what can be taken? I know somebody who is in 'debtors prison' in Battle Creek Michigan as I type this. They transported him about 150 miles after having him

Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-04 Thread Richard Hattaway
The chronic poor have a good go at cheap healthcare, as they cannot get blood from a turnip, as you mention.  Personal experience, in an ER while my son was having a toe sewn back on ( too many beers, rough deck on the beach house ), was a woman there who was sick, and needed help.  She was not

Re: [MBZ] 14 or 15?

2014-04-04 Thread Max Dillon
Didn't 126 series also have 15 wheels? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net Sent: April 4, 2014 9:56:52 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 14 or 15? All the bundts I have seen ARE

Re: [MBZ] 14 or 15?

2014-04-04 Thread Mitchell Haley, EA
Didn't 126 series also have 15 wheels? After they quit putting bundts on them. Both of my W201s have 15 on them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

2014-04-04 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
On 4/4/2014 7:23 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 18:14:03 -0500 From: maontin@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? There are no skilled jobs available anymore. I have to call BS on that one.

Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-04 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
Non-payment of child support is taken far more seriously than non-payment of ordinary debt, and most states that I know of will jail a person for that and then release them after a variable length of time. I knew a retired sailor living in Florida that California was trying to find and jail for