Re: [MBZ] OT: not that anyone is counting

Here are some economic indicator trends from the St Louis FED data. Way Ahead? 1. Student Loans https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/FGCCSAQ027S 2. Food Stamps https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/TRP6001A027NBEA 3. Federal Debt

Re: [MBZ] more on Volvo

In the early 1990's, my dad and I had a 1958 Volvo PV444 re powered with a B18 engine and a 4 speed transmission. I enjoyed that little car until it got damaged in shipment up to Oregon. We ended up selling it afterward. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR Sent from my cell > On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:00

Re: [MBZ] Coddiwomple

have not yet. Dimitri via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 8:53 PM Nice. When did you pick up the 420? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] 64 190D

But it should be the same color as the body, not black. That is the point. The fact that it is not original or as original in the most rust prone areas raises questions. It appears to be paint or undercoating sprayed over who knows what. the original undercoating, which may or may not be

Re: [MBZ] Coddiwomple

There you go. Can't be any better reason. I'm hoping the weather here will be in an up cycle at around mid 70's. Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: Well with 6" of snow on the ground here & still falling FLQ sounds tempting. Upside is I get to hot dog my new 4matic & ESP in the snow for the

Re: [MBZ] Coddiwomple

I'm looking forward to it. Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: After I pick up the 420SEL, I intend to coddiwomple towards Gainesburger, stopping along the way to fix whatever is needed to make the car roadworthy. Then go to the FL-Q, Where maybe I can get volunteers to give it the Martha

Re: [MBZ] more on Volvo

Yeah 850 is tough. My brother had one and used it hard. Finally retired it with about 250K miles once tranny failed. It was a very solid and good looking car. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > When was the buyout?

Re: [MBZ] more on Volvo

When was the buyout? Uncle just sold an 850 ('98?) to a friend. They've had it for years and years, its been a good car, 200,000+ miles with no real issues. -Curt From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Peter

Re: [MBZ] Coddiwomple

Nice. When did you pick up the 420? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2017, at 3:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > After I pick up the 420SEL, I intend to coddiwomple towards Gainesburger, > stopping along the way to fix whatever is needed to make the car

Re: [MBZ] 64 190D

Yabut it's purdy dang nice looking. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > I put a watch on it on fleaby. It is up to $13.600 now and no longer shows > "Reserve not met." I'd guess they had the reserve at 13k. > > I

Re: [MBZ] I hate vans!

Buy a new Metris and be done with it;) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 09:06:08 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > >> If you can access YouTube, I'll bet there are some

Re: [MBZ] 64 190D

I believe the black is just anti rust coating. My 1980 300SD has the same thing. Otherwise, you'd have gravel chips and dings in the paint and it would rust. The coating is like a tar substance and protects the bottom. At least that's what it is on my car. So, no, I don't think you'll get a

Re: [MBZ] 64 190D

that is why i guess a 90% chance of being a no sale. if there are shill bidders, there may be as many as 5. Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 6:19 PM Holy cow that is crack smoking prices S ___

Re: [MBZ] 64 190D

Holy cow that is crack smoking prices Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > I put a watch on it on fleaby. It is up to $13.600 now and no longer shows > "Reserve not met." I'd guess they had the reserve at 13k. >

Re: [MBZ] 64 190D

I am not sure if that is intentional or it it simply honest unfamiliarity with the type. Craig via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 5:30 PM On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 17:13:21 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes Thank you. Regarding the rockers, you are right, they are

Re: [MBZ] Coddiwomple

humbug --FT On 1/7/17 6:29 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: whataburgers around here. not a fan. Floyd Thursby via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 5:18 PM As I recall the last Whataburger outpost was somewhere near Tallahassee off I-10. I pulled off there

Re: [MBZ] 64 190D

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 17:13:21 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Mercedes-Benz-190-Series-190D/332080715599? > > > Craig via Mercedes > > January 7, 2017 at 5:00 PM > > On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:55:18 -0600

Re: [MBZ] Coddiwomple

whataburgers around here. not a fan. Floyd Thursby via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 5:18 PM As I recall the last Whataburger outpost was somewhere near Tallahassee off I-10. I pulled off there to stay the night when I was moving here from Houston, there was a

Re: [MBZ] 64 190D

there are some concerns: (some of the comments from the MB veterans fakebuch page) the fact that the rockers appear to be black, indicating coverup or repairs. Not original No clear pictures of rockers or front cap of rockers or rear cap of rockers The most rust prone areas, along with

Re: [MBZ] Coddiwomple

> On January 7, 2017 at 4:59 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Well with 6" of snow on the ground here & still falling FLQ sounds > tempting. Upside is I get to hot dog my new 4matic & ESP in the snow for > the first time. My ESP-less 210 4Matic wags its

Re: [MBZ] Coddiwomple

As I recall the last Whataburger outpost was somewhere near Tallahassee off I-10. I pulled off there to stay the night when I was moving here from Houston, there was a Hampton Inn or something, and to my surprise next door was a Whataburger! So I got my last fix there. --FT On 1/7/17 3:11

Re: [MBZ] 64 190D

That's nice --FT On 1/7/17 6:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Mercedes-Benz-190-Series-190D/332080715599? Craig via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 5:00 PM On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:55:18 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes I'm sure

Re: [MBZ] 64 190D

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Mercedes-Benz-190-Series-190D/332080715599? Craig via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 5:00 PM On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:55:18 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes I'm sure the URL has been mentioned before, but since I deleted that email, what

Re: [MBZ] 64 190D

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:55:18 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > I put a watch on it on fleaby. It is up to $13.600 now and no longer > shows "Reserve not met." I'd guess they had the reserve at 13k. > > I wanted the watch on it because I suspect the buyer will

[MBZ] 64 190D

I put a watch on it on fleaby. It is up to $13.600 now and no longer shows "Reserve not met." I'd guess they had the reserve at 13k. I wanted the watch on it because I suspect the buyer will not pay, so there will be a second chance offer. It may be relisted if he really wants to sell it.

Re: [MBZ] Coddiwomple

Well with 6" of snow on the ground here & still falling FLQ sounds tempting. Upside is I get to hot dog my new 4matic & ESP in the snow for the first time. Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 2005 E320 4 matic Wickford RI On Jan 7, 2017 3:11 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes"

[MBZ] Coddiwomple

After I pick up the 420SEL, I intend to coddiwomple towards Gainesburger, stopping along the way to fix whatever is needed to make the car roadworthy. Then go to the FL-Q, Where maybe I can get volunteers to give it the Martha process. After the Q, then coddiwomple towards Panama City, have a

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

I think the factory has determined it is negligible. These engines can run even if they are 45º out of time. Craig via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 1:43 PM On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 10:33:11 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes Certainly, the metal parts will change size

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 10:33:11 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > Wouldn't the timing chain tension change when hot? If the timing chain > tension changes, then the pump timing could change? Certainly, the metal parts will change size with temperature, meaning the

Re: [MBZ] I hate vans!

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 09:06:08 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > If you can access YouTube, I'll bet there are some video tutorials > showing the "trick" for the belt tensioner. You may also find > inspiration for getting that nut off. I looked on YouTube for

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

Ok, slop in the locking tool is right. I removed the nut and spring part, so the barrel with the slot could be used as a measuring tool to test engagement with the tooth on the pump shaft. I found that the tool would begin to engage the tooth, then fully engage, and then not quite engage,

Re: [MBZ] more on Volvo

A Ford at twice the price, so to speak. Peter And a kitty, is a taurus at 3 or 4 times the price! (jag-U-wire) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] NOTOT Re: stupid new cars mostly OT now software rant

"Once software is introduced into any system, the feature creep is never ending and uncontrollable. (another corollary)" Floyd Thursby via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 12:13 PM

Re: [MBZ] stupid new cars mostly OT now software rant

After watching a neighbor spend a couple AUs (Aviation Units - 1=$1,000) on the electrical flap position indicator system in his 1966 Cessna 210, I REALLY appreciate the Johnson bar flaps in my 1957 Cessna! The Tailwind has even simpler manual flaps - push/pull tubes, no cables and pulleys. On

Re: [MBZ] more on Volvo

I drove a 1959 544S when a grad student in M-SP back in the bronze age (1969). Cruised all day at 77 - tight as a drum. Bought it for $389 and sold it a year later for $325. On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 1:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > I think they started going down

Re: [MBZ] more on Volvo

I think they started going down hill after the 544. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_PV444/544 On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:34 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The 200, 700, and 900 series cars were essentially indestructable. Ran > forever, the 700 and 900

Re: [MBZ] Fused

In one session, remove then re-test one connection. The variance you are getting in the readings is from the difference in resistance between the probe and the point you are measuring at. If you are measuring resistances in the 1,000's of Ohms, you won't see any difference, but if you are

[MBZ] NOTOT Re: stupid new cars mostly OT now software rant

https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/07/nvidias-helping-mercedes-build-artificially-intelligent-cars-t/ On 1/7/17 12:30 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: The weakness of programmers (software engineers in their parlance) (smart morons in my parlance) is that in their world, IF something CAN

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

"Hot" engine, locking tool says 13.5 degrees ATDC. I'll retard to 14.5. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

This is the tool I have http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/268726-riv-timing-tool-purchase.html Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Kleb has the "dealer" dongle, I think. > >> Peter Frederick

Re: [MBZ] stupid new cars mostly OT now software rant

The weakness of programmers (software engineers in their parlance) (smart morons in my parlance) is that in their world, IF something CAN be done with software, it MUST be done with software. (a programmer's corollary to Murphy's law.) Once software is introduced into any system, the feature

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

Kleb has the "dealer" dongle, I think. Peter Frederick via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 11:16 AM There are two instruments, the static one and the dynamic one. Dynamic one was dealer only as a rule, probably too expensive for independent shops. Both work by

Re: [MBZ] stupid new cars mostly OT

A lot of that is the result of gummint mandates for fuel efficiency increases and safety nannies to make sure you have fastened your seatbelt and know how to work your brakes etc. While I guess the benefits of all that are reasonably good, having the various electrons whizzing around

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

There are two instruments, the static one and the dynamic one. Dynamic one was dealer only as a rule, probably too expensive for independent shops. Both work by sensing the position of the lug on the governor shaft that is also used to lock the pump. Peter

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

I tried to set it using the bubble method, I was less than happy with how that went, cold engine. I found it difficult to find the start of injection point, when the bubbles were supposed to stop. I checked it with the locking pin, I think it was off according to the pin position, so I set it

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

I always check it several times to make sure I have repeatability before I consider timing set. Peter Frederick via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 10:13 AM No instructions in the manual for "manual" injection pump timing for the 60x engines, at least not in the one

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

What is the method that uses the a b light deal? I have one of those and have used it a few times but it's been a while. I don't recall the engine running though, it was more of a rotate engine till a light comes on, then continue till both are on, if you keep going till only b is lit you went

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

the 126 cds have the IP lock method and the dynamic method. I never read through the dynamic instruction because I don't have one. I use my modified drip tube method (without drip tube) successfully. Peter Frederick via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 10:13 AM No

Re: [MBZ] stupid new cars mostly OT

You will be forced to walk, bike, ride a hoss, ride "public transport" that runs once a day in your area, on the highway, so a trip outside nowata involved being gone overnight, or paying big bucks for a Lyft in a self driving car. All "cars" will be ride share. So they can stop and have

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

No instructions in the manual for "manual" injection pump timing for the 60x engines, at least not in the one I have. Injection pump should be locked using the MB tool with engine set a 15 degrees ATDC to R , and you can use the tool to set the timing more or less accurately using the tool

Re: [MBZ] stupid new cars mostly OT

Yesterday, I went to start the drive by wire van, and turned the MB electronic key to start and then let off. It kept cranking, no start until I realized what was going on and shut it off. Tried again and it started normally. The previous time it was driven it started whining about the

Re: [MBZ] stupid new cars mostly OT

Let's picture this for a moment, I picture it all the time in my mind. How does the car world look in 20 years? Heck maybe even 10 years? When do we reach the point that keeping a 126 on the road is no longer viable due to parts availability? Are we all then going to be forced to drive newer

Re: [MBZ] stupid new cars mostly OT

Peter Frederick via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 9:30 AM Sadly, we have returned to the age of disposable cars, made of junky parts intended to be discarded at the end of the car loan. I've been advised to avoid any Benz after 2006, they suffer from mysterious

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

Static timing is always cold or somewhat warm <100ºF I never had one of those dynamic dealies, so it may vary, but obviously the engine is running. From OM621 to OM60x I never say anything in the manual about warm or cold, so I don't think it matter. You can do experiment and do both and

Re: [MBZ] stupid new cars mostly OT

Yes I think cars today are ridiculous. Even the cheapest of cars has gadgets and electronics only high end luxury cars would have before. It would be nice to have more simple mechanical cars. Wonder how much cheaper they would be without all the bloat ware. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7,

Re: [MBZ] more on Volvo

The 200, 700, and 900 series cars were essentially indestructable. Ran forever, the 700 and 900 didn't rust, they were great cars. All later models (after Ford bought Volvo) are rolling junk. My neighbor bought an 850 to replace their 245 with 300,000 miles on it, sold it in six months after

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

That's what I had always thought, but after setting the pump timing cold, I'm not too happy with the results, so I was wondering if it should be done on a hot engine. Careful reading of the FSM for OM60x indicates that it is checked when the engine is at idle, and then adjusted if necessary, so

Re: [MBZ] stupid new cars mostly OT

Sadly, we have returned to the age of disposable cars, made of junky parts intended to be discarded at the end of the car loan. I've been advised to avoid any Benz after 2006, they suffer from mysterious computer ailments that can only be fixed by replacement at $2500 each. Always see a

Re: [MBZ] more on Volvo

tyee165 via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 8:13 AM I have never owned a Volvo. Used to want one with the overdrive Manulife transmission.I am just going on what I have read on other forums. ex-BIL bought one of those new. the overdrive broke as soon as it was

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

On a Benz, it does not matter. On my old Volvo with a "cold start" device, either hot or with the cold start disconnected (it advanced the timing quite a bit cold). Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

Re: [MBZ] Fused

+1 Cut a slot in the end for a straight screwdriver Max Dillon via Mercedes January 7, 2017 at 8:09 AM That stud-guide idea is a keeper! Larry Turner via Mercedes January 6, 2017 at 10:28 PM Jim, ... BTW, when preparing to

[MBZ] Injection Pump Timing - Hot or Cold?

OK guys, here's my question of the day: Should the diesel injection pump timing be tested / set when the engine is hot, or cold, or does it not matter at all? - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Randy, don't take that trip now!

Yes, the locals might feel chilly but it is about 0 F here right now so 70s sound OK. My sister and brother in law are on Kauai right now. She was sending me pictures she took from a helicopter yesterday. Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A Original message From: Curley McLain via

Re: [MBZ] more on Volvo

I have never owned a Volvo. Used to want one with the overdrive Manulife transmission.I am just going on what I have read on other forums. Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A Original message From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Date: 2017-01-06 2:01 PM (GMT-06:00)

Re: [MBZ] Fused

That stud-guide idea is a keeper! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On January 6, 2017 11:28:57 PM EST, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: > >BTW, when preparing to install the manifold I found 2 40m-50mm x 6mm >bolts in my stash and hack sawed the heads

Re: [MBZ] I hate vans!

If you can access YouTube, I'll bet there are some video tutorials showing the "trick" for the belt tensioner. You may also find inspiration for getting that nut off. If you can get an edge-wise approach with a hammer and chisel, you might get it loose. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] Fused

Can't say specifically where the problem was, I didn't find any damaged or loose vac lines but I pushed all connections tight. I keep an eye on the vac hoses and replace them as needed. In any case, it starts instantly and stops quickly again. We're having a snow storm today that is

Re: [MBZ] I hate vans!

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 20:52:14 -0700 Craig via Mercedes wrote: > I have been trying to change the thermostat on our Big Red Van, a 1989 > Chevy G20 Beauville. It is bringing up challenges, to say the least ... > > Having drained the radiator enough to take the upper hose