[MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter

2014-11-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
The starter motor in my 1983 300TD wagon is going down the tubes. This morning it wouldn't budge until after I had plugged in the block heater for 10 minutes. At all times it pauses when I engage the ignition key, and then screetches the first couple of seconds upon startup. Clearly I need to

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2014-11-18 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Buy a Bosch reman. Can't trust used. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The starter motor in my 1983 300TD wagon is going down the tubes. This morning it wouldn't budge until after I had plugged in the block

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2014-11-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter Buy a Bosch reman. Can't trust used. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The starter motor in my 1983 300TD wagon is going down

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2014-11-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter Buy a Bosch reman. Can't trust used. Sent from my iPhone

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2014-11-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter He has practical knowledge of 00s of cars, unlike you. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Curt Raymond via

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2014-11-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter That's the symbol for hundreds.  In any case, the quality of a reman starter would depend on the expertise of the company doing the rebuild.  Here's a cheap one from Suncoast

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2014-11-18 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter That's the symbol for hundreds. In any case, the quality of a reman starter would depend on the expertise of the company doing the rebuild. Here's a cheap one from

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2014-11-18 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
that to be true with alternators. Dr. Fatty wants 3x as much the one you posted. I'd trust his. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter That's

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2014-11-18 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Are there no places out there anymore that rebuild your starter? That used to be better than buying rebuilt ones at one time. I know little about MB starters but the old north american stuff was pretty straight forward and easy enough to fix. RB I'd guess somewhere between where Andrew

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2014-11-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a 6 month warranty from PG Auto. Unless someone can personally recommend a good brand of remann'ed starters. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Are there no places out there

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2014-11-18 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
How do you know that starter is not a reman? Can u trust the miles? How many 240D that you know of have 60K miles? Buy new. Labor to R/R must be considered if you have to replace in 6 months. And yes who cares about noisy starters? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Andrew

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2014-11-18 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Andrew also said it seemed hesitant. Are the cables good? Are the connections clean? On 18/11/2014 4:02 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: How do you know that starter is not a reman? Can u trust the miles? How many 240D that you know of have 60K miles? Buy new. Labor to R/R must be

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2014-11-18 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Why don't u replace it? You can handle the job, after all you can do front end rebuilds;) Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a 6 month warranty from PG

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2014-11-18 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
And carry rear ends and treadmills down and up multiple flights of stairs! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 5:24 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Why don't u replace it? You can handle the job, after all you can do front end rebuilds;) Sent from my

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2014-11-18 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Or ask the French man to do it. Should take him all of five minutes! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 5:24 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Why don't u replace it? You can handle the job, after all you can do front end rebuilds;) Sent from my iPhone

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2014-11-18 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
How do you know that starter is not a reman? Can u trust the miles? How many 240D that you know of have 60K miles? Buy new. Labor to R/R must be considered if you have to replace in 6 months. And yes who cares about noisy starters? Sent from my MBPhone All starters make noise. even the rope

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2014-11-18 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Bosch factory reman is the only way to go. I've tried them all over the years, and the Bosch factory remans were the only ones that were rock solid, never worry about it again. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm leaning toward a

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2014-11-18 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
The problem with the diesel starters is that usually the coil windings have acquired too much resistance, and if you don't replace the armature, you will still have a weak, high current draw starter. New bushing and turning the commutator will do very little to fix it. So far as I know,

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2014-11-18 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
, November 18, 2014 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter How do you know that starter is not a reman? Can u trust the miles? How many 240D that you know of have 60K miles? Buy new. Labor to R/R must be considered if you have to replace in 6 months. And yes who cares about

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2014-11-18 Thread astrasfogel--- via Mercedes
Send me a link so I can at least price it. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Tuesday, 18 November 2014, 06:39PM -0500 from Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: The problem with the diesel starters is that usually the coil windings have acquired too much resistance, and if you

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2014-11-18 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
Andrew wrote: I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a 6 month warranty from PG Auto. Unless someone can personally recommend a good brand of remann'ed starters. The original OM616 starters don't spin fast enough for a OM617. They physically interchange, so Q told

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2014-11-18 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
Andrew wrote: I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a 6 month warranty from PG Auto. Unless someone can personally recommend a good brand of remann'ed starters. Do what you want - but years ago Q told me the OM616 starters weren't quite as powerful as the OM617