Since I'm a day behind in the digest that somebody else has already pointed
this out but...
Theres no way you could carry enough solar cells on any kind of a practical car
to do any amount of
solar assist.
That solar car that made all the news was really like a flatbed truck (a very
light
Curt Raymond wrote:
Theres just not enough energy in today's PV cells to make it worth it.
The solar racers are like four wheel streamlined bicycles with enough
PV to cover 2 or 3 billiard tables. They can do 40mph in direct sunlight,
but they could probably go that fast in the dark if you gave
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Zoltan Finks wrote:
the specialty places for compatible hose except for the return lines,
they generally carry those here :
http://www.greaseworks.org/index.php?module=pncommercefunc=itemviewItemID=39
The inside diameter of the hose for a '99 E300D is the same as the
Ooops the part number for the new stuff is 605 078 05 81.. it is a kidna
greyish fiber cover with a orangish stripe.
-j.
Given the output of current solar cells and the area available on the
roof of a car, wouldn't you have to leave it parked in full sun for
about a month just to drive it a few miles?
-Dave Walton
On 8/29/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rapeseed is the predecessor name fro Canola
The idea is for the solar cells to continuously recharge the batteries while
driving. This would extend the length of time the car can run on battery
power.
On 8/30/06, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Given the output of current solar cells and the area available on the
roof of a car,
Here in Hoosierland, the government is all excited about ethanol.
Call me cynical, but I think that's largely because there's a lot of
corn grown around here, and in a farm state finding a new market for
corn is a politically Good Thing. But according to a recent Car and
Driver story, it
Trampas wrote:
Well I spend about $150-$170 a month on gas for my 420SEL which gets 19MPG.
So if I went out and purchased a new hybrid, or more likely a manual TDI,
that doubled my mileage I would save at most $100 a month. But at $100 a
month it would take me 15-20 years to pay for the car.
Well... maybe we could talk the Amish into growing more corn and process
it themselves, then we could take petrolium energy pretty much out of
the picture.
I wouldn't mind having a bunch of Amish bio fuel barons running around :-)
--Robert
L. Mark Finch wrote:
Here in Hoosierland,
I wonder if you can squeeze the oil out of the corn, then convert the
left-over starches to ethanol --- have your cake and eat it too.
We grow a lot of soybeans here too, and a fair amount of canola, but
corn is king and the prospect of converting the nation's fleet to
diesel -- a proven
There are few folks working on Diesel-electric cars - Diesel turns the
generator at a constant speed, elecrticity generated turns the wheels
- just like a locomotive. That might be the ticket
On 8/28/06, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Small diesels are much more efficient, look at
OK Don wrote:
I wonder if you can squeeze the oil out of the corn, then convert the
left-over starches to ethanol --- have your cake and eat it too.
And I believe there's a lot more starch in the stalk than in the seed.
(although the seed is easier to transport than silage)
Now where are you seeing that? Up in my neck of the woods, the 'tards
are driving humongo Ford or caddy things and support anybody but W.
All sorts of bleeding heart save the gay legislator stickers and kill
bush, missing idiot stuff
On Aug 27, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Zeitgeist wrote:
Or, more
Uhm...
yes
damn, I agreed with him
On Aug 27, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:
Having spent a considerable amount of time in the Gulf, along the
Texas and
Louisiana shoreline, I can tell you quite emphatically that I DO NOT
want
refineries in my backyard. Sending em to China is fine
You need to get out of Seattle proper, in order to see the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
their stoopid SUVs w/W stickers. They're everywhere in the 'burbs'.
On 8/28/06, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now where are you seeing that? Up in my neck of the woods, the 'tards
are driving humongo Ford or
rumor has it that OK wrote:
I wonder if you can squeeze the oil out of the corn, then convert
the left-over starches to ethanol --- have your cake and eat it
too.
We grow a lot of soybeans here too, and a fair amount of canola,
but corn is king and the prospect of converting the
OK Don wrote:
There are few folks working on Diesel-electric cars - Diesel turns the
generator at a constant speed, elecrticity generated turns the wheels
- just like a locomotive. That might be the ticket
I remember seeing video of a prototypical truck Volvo had that was along
those
that's not a great argument even if you want to ignore all the other
points already raised.
even if you were to ignore all the other points and only were concerned
with your own short-term expenditures, depending on any finite
non-renewable resource isn't our best choice (regardless of where
Yes, someone said that 2% biodiesel is not a problem to run in a stock
vehicle. Thanks.
Brian
83 240D
On 8/29/06, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
p.s.
i wonder if the orignal poster got the answer he was looking for?
One COULD make a case for using up all THEIR oil first
great; the way this thread went off-course, i wasn't sure if you ever got
that! ;-)
FWIW, some countries in the EU have reportedly been blending BioD into
all of their standard #2 supply at a higher percentage than that for
some time without any significant issues reported.
closer to
Though this is really a topic for the biodiesel forum/list
My understanding is that Germany was blending B20 using rapeseed for a
long time until the EU decided that BioD was a good thing and then
legislated a need for it. With so much more demand, the blend dropped
to B5 so that all the
Rapeseed is the predecessor name fro Canola oil.
The solution is an amalgam of synergistic technologies - photovoltainc solar
assist cells on the roof of the car, in combination with the aforementioned
biodiesel-electric hybrid motor.
On 8/29/06, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Though this
The way to think about this on is if you were an average idiot which obviously
you aren't because you're here, and you were
replacing old trusty, should you get another 19mpg (or really 12mpg behmoth
SUV) or replace it with something more reasonable?
I'm not even suggesting people get
In MA (probably most of New England) the SUV crowd is usually the stupid
wealthy, doesn't matter the politics.
Interestingly I find that lawyers rarely drive 'em. ALL the lawers I know (6
right now, met another yesterday) drive Audi.
Most of the MALE IT people I know drive pickup trucks. One
Not building refineries in the US is mostly a factor of refiners
refusing to spend the money on cleaning them up, even though the amount
of hydrocarbon lost is considerable. This is strictly political, has
nothing to do with reason.
The profit from refining was quite small until recently, so
Robert Tara Ludwick wrote:
The current hybrids are a joke unless you live in a big city and do all
your driving on side streets, an old MB diesel gets better mileage on
the highway than a Prius.
I'm curious what MB diesel you're driving that gets 51 mpg. My '83 300D
Turbo got more like
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Also, we need more nukes.
I'm in favor of that as soon as we've got somewhere to put the waste.
Nevada's working pretty hard to keep it out of Yucca Mountain so I don't
expect that'll happen any time soon. Who knew their entire
congressional delegation would turn
Zeitgeist wrote:
Having spent a considerable amount of time in the Gulf, along the Texas and
Louisiana shoreline, I can tell you quite emphatically that I DO NOT want
refineries in my backyard.
Well, that's the thing. It's convenient to blame environmentalists, but
a lot of the opposition to
Ya, let em put a refinery on Lake Washington, in Medina or Yarrow Point.
On 8/27/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, that's the thing. It's convenient to blame environmentalists, but
a lot of the opposition to things like refineries and offshore drilling
is now coming from
B2 is just fine. Not going to have a huge effect on the rubber, but
will slowly clean out crud.
On Aug 26, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:
Any room today for a question that might sound dumb?
Will running biodiesel from the gas station hurt my 83 240D?
Despite all the pondering and
thats the problem, nobody wants them in their back yard yet everybody
wants the benefits
Zeitgeist wrote:
Having spent a considerable amount of time in the Gulf, along the Texas and
Louisiana shoreline, I can tell you quite emphatically that I DO NOT want
refineries in my backyard. Sending em
from what I hear that technology has come along way, they can recycle
that stuff now
David Brodbeck wrote:
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Also, we need more nukes.
I'm in favor of that as soon as we've got somewhere to put the waste.
Nevada's working pretty hard to keep it out of Yucca
Brodbeck
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Tom Hargrave wrote:
And why are we building it in China?? Because all of the tree
huggers on the left coast screamed Not in my back yard
LOL
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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yes, we need to be allowed to tap more areas, build more refineries, and in
the mean time
I'd be careful about advocating the construction of new refineries
until you have visited some of the ones currently operating in this
country. Go on a weekend when the OSHA and EPA monitors are not
around. You may be surprised at what you see - and smell. You can
actually taste the odor in your
We have 2 of them here in the immediate area, and many across the state
dave walton wrote:
I'd be careful about advocating the construction of new refineries
until you have visited some of the ones currently operating in this
country. Go on a weekend when the OSHA and EPA monitors are not
Tom said:
More nukes would be nice.
Amen brother. Rumor is there are some on order.
Bob Rentfro
who, after 20+ years in the nuclear biness, has only crapped up 4 square
inches of clothing
Wow, I just realized that I made a rather stupid-looking spelling error when
I started this thread. Somebody should've called me on it. Guess I do need
this final year of school that i start on Tuesday.
Brian
On 8/27/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom said:
More nukes would be
Man this in-depth talk on supply/demand/extraction methods/etc. reminds me
how little I know on most topics.
But I think that the simple solutions are the best, so I usually don't need
to know too much.
In this case, it seems to me that if every person who is able would just
make a small change
A prius doesn't get 51 mpg on the highway, I have a few freinds with
the things, at 70 mph on the highway on an 80 mile commute, they get
less than 30mpg, usually in the mid to high 20s, I was getting 31-34
with the 82 300sd and a steady foot.
My buddy with the Honda hybrid was only getting in
Tom Hargrave wrote:
More nukes would be nice. I worked at a nuclear power plant for a while and
believe that the ones in the States are incredibly safe.
I realize that operationally the plants are very safe. The problem is
the high-level waste from refueling is stuck in temporary storage at
Robert Tara Ludwick wrote:
A prius doesn't get 51 mpg on the highway, I have a few freinds with
the things, at 70 mph on the highway on an 80 mile commute, they get
less than 30mpg, usually in the mid to high 20s, I was getting 31-34
with the 82 300sd and a steady foot.
Try loaning your
My 1981 Toyota Starlet got up to 45 mph in town and 54 on the road,
and it was technologically simple, especially compared to a hybrid.
On Aug 28, 2006, at 12:49 AM, Robert Tara Ludwick wrote:
When you consider that I used to get 60 mpg in my old mid 80s VW
rabbit
diesel with a manny
The experts have never driven a Prius then, its a big car inside, plenty of
space to sit 5 people comfortably. I know you can sit 5 people, I've been the
guy in the middle and as Fred can attest I'm not small.
The Prius is also a powerful car, more powerful than you think if you've
never
it seems to me like they need to start making those small little diesels
again. That would be much better than these hydrid things.
Robert Tara Ludwick wrote:
A prius doesn't get 51 mpg on the highway, I have a few freinds with
the things, at 70 mph on the highway on an 80 mile commute,
also a valid point.
Curt Raymond wrote:
It seems sensible to me that if we tap more areas and build more refineries the
price of gas and diesel would come down and thus we'd never develop alternative
energies. Remember most people don't think any farther ahead than yesterday. If
they did
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it seems to me like they need to start making those small little diesels
again. That would be much better than these hydrid things.
Robert Tara Ludwick wrote:
A prius doesn't get 51 mpg on the highway, I have a few freinds with
the things, at 70
Doesn't the new Benz E-CDI get close to 40mpg? I know there are
emissions concerns with diesels, can't buy them in some progressive
states, but I have not seen a comparison on overall emissions/mile with
gassers/new diesels (and the types of emissions, I know they are
different). I would
From Today's Sacramento Bee;
No fuming over fuel change New diesel blend will ease smog, officials say By
Chris Bowman -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:01 am PDT Monday, August 28, 2006
Story appeared on Page A3 http://www.sacbee.com/content/print_edition/#MAIN
NEWS of The Bee
.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Bob Rentfro wrote:
Trouble is people still have a hard time accepting dirty, stinky diesel as
an answer.
There's that, and there's also an aversion to small, noisy cars. People
want their commute to be comfortable and safe -- go figure.
I have an '89 VW Cabriolet (aka Rabbit Convertible)
, with top mileage at 45MPH. Of course you
would get ran over trying to merge on an interstate these days.
Trampas
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David reminded us:
There's that, and there's also an aversion to small, noisy cars. People
want their commute to be comfortable and safe -- go figure.
'Zactly. Somebody had a Smart something or other at the stealership the
other day and I sat in it. Very wee.
If Mrs. Jones' H-2 or Mrs.
ernest breakfield wrote:
only if you don't care about things like where your fuel was grown, where
the money you spend for fuel goes (i prefer keeping the money you spend
for fuel closer to home), who you have to send to a foreign country to
defend its supply, and what using it does to the
Marshall Booth wrote:
One COULD make a case for using up all THEIR oil first (especially if
it's cheaper and more efficient) and then switch to home grown
No kidding. All the idiot politicians who tell us to reduce our
dependence by burning off the small fraction that we haven't
Mitch wrote:burning off the small fraction that we haven't
already burned must think
Actually, the amount of oil stick in the ground can only be calculated when
you use a number indicating the price you'e willing to pay. For instance,
if the economy could stand it, roughly $5/g makes the
LarryT wrote:
Actually, the amount of oil stick in the ground can only be calculated when
you use a number indicating the price you'e willing to pay.
But much of the cost of getting it out is in energy used to grab it.
So, to a large extent, it only works if you increase the price of the
form
2/3 of the oil remains in the ground after a well goes dry. That's
the promise of enhanced oil recovery using steam, CO2, chemicals, and
bugs to recover some of the remaining 2/3..
On 8/27/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LarryT wrote:
Actually, the amount of oil stick in the ground
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2/3 of the oil remains in the ground after a well goes dry. That's the
promise of enhanced oil recovery using steam, CO2, chemicals, and bugs to
recover some of the remaining 2/3..
On 8/27/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL
Yeah, but we gotta give up suburban living, shopping at the mall, and
driving 100 miles a day to work for the fuel consumption to fall.
Watch for a massive move back into high density city living in the near
future!
Peter
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2/3 of the oil remains in the ground after a well goes dry. That's the
promise of enhanced oil recovery using steam, CO2
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The big problem is all the environmentalist
Or, more accurately, it's all the rightwing [EMAIL PROTECTED] dragging their
obese
asses along in their fullsize Ford Valdez SUVs with W'04 bumper stickers
firmly affixed.
Whei, I feel better now!
On 8/27/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The big problem is all the
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Actually, we have huge oil reserves here in the States but the oil is locked
up in oil rich shale. It takes technology and $$$ to process oil from oil
rich shale.
And natural gas. Lots of it. It's like cooking oil out of asphalt.
The problem with oil shale and tar sands
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
The big problem is all the environmentalist left wing wackos.
They'd quiet down if companies like BP didn't keep proving them right
about the environmental damage from oil extraction. Until they clean up
their act, start maintaining their pipelines and caring about
suggest you brush up on your Chinese.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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As we tree-huggers say: The SUV is an indicator species...a specious
species. It's an indicator of our overall indifference to the obvious over
consumption of said commodity.
On 8/27/06, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I disagree. The SUVs may be burning a lot of fuel but its our
Of Peter Frederick
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Yeah, but we gotta give up suburban living, shopping at the mall, and
driving 100 miles a day to work for the fuel consumption to fall
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Depends on the driving. If you drive in city stop-and-go traffic, they can
get upwards of 55 mpg IN TOWN! Payback is quite a bit faster compared to
the 18 - 19 mpg the same type of regular car gets. Open road, there is
little or no advantage
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As we tree-huggers say: The SUV
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Or, more accurately, it's all the rightwing [EMAIL PROTECTED] dragging their
obese
asses along in their fullsize
I dont see how that prevents more refineries from being built, or more
oil exploration going on, especially off the coast of florida.
Zeitgeist wrote:
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obese
asses along in their fullsize Ford Valdez SUVs with W'04
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2/3 of the oil remains in the ground after a well goes dry. That's
the promise of enhanced oil
Actually, its the tree huggers who scream not in my back yard as they
clime into there valdez ford SUV.
Tom Hargrave wrote:
You are almost correct. We are building a huge refinery in China that will
supply the west coast with gas and diesel.
And why are we building it in China?? Because
Might hurt your wallet but not your car.
--R
Zoltan Finks wrote:
Any room today for a question that might sound dumb?
Will running biodiesel from the gas station hurt my 83 240D?
Zoltan Finks wrote:
So I guess a further question is: if the fuel in question is only 2%
biodiesel it's probably not worth worrying about any damage.
Exactly. The only reason to make B2 is a tax break.
But how about stuff like 85% bio or 100% bio?
If you have biological matter growing on
Requires that you use a 3/8 metric adjustable gangly wrench during all
future fuse changes, but other than that, it's a slam-dunk.
Oh, and B99 is nearly 15cents cheaper than dino down here in the capital 'C'
capitol city.
Try Xanex
On 8/26/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Will
Zeitgeist wrote:
Requires that you use a 3/8 metric adjustable gangly wrench during all
future fuse changes, but other than that, it's a slam-dunk.
Oh, and B99 is nearly 15cents cheaper than dino down here in the capital 'C'
capitol city.
Try Xanex
So you pay 5% less for fuel with 10-15%
only if you don't care about things like where your fuel was grown, where
the money you spend for fuel goes (i prefer keeping the money you spend
for fuel closer to home), who you have to send to a foreign country to
defend its supply, and what using it does to the environment.
seems like a
2% is not likely to cause any problems, heck, there's hardly enough veg
in there to call it biodiesel.However, the stouter mixes will eat your
pump seals ( unless it's been rebuilt in the last handful of years,
Bosch upgraded all their replacement parts to be biodiesel compatible
when Germany
Ah. That's what I seemed to remember. Thanks!
Brian
On 8/26/06, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2% is not likely to cause any problems, heck, there's hardly enough veg
in there to call it biodiesel.However, the stouter mixes will eat your
pump seals ( unless it's been rebuilt
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