I like, Rich! I know just how much work old houses can be, but there's
still a charm there you just don't get with new construction.
I can look ath the quality of changes in my house and date pretty
acurately when they were done just be looking at the quality of
materials used and the skill with
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:39:36 -0600, Rich Thomas wrote
I bought a copy of the National Elec Code and state plumbing code,
they are excellent references as it appears most plumbers and
electricians are not, um, the National Merit Scholar folks, so
everything is spelled out in simple detail
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:26:56 -0600 Rich Thomas
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If anyone is interested, here is my web site chronicle of the
transformation http://www.constructivity.net/victorian_restoration.htm
Looks great! Do you do any work in Los Alamos, NM? :-)
Craig
Wow Rich, what a project, no wonder people want you for their homes. Was it
a one horse show? How did you handle the heights? Is this your current
home? What about permits and codes?
Its a beautiful House, thanks for sharing.
Harry
On 1/20/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Many
I did all the work myself except for at the very end we hired a painter
to do some interior work as we had to move, and time was running out.
Lots of weekends, holidays, 2 kids, wife through med school, full-time
jobs...but made a pile of money so it was worth it. Could not afford to
buy it
, it was the only wood in
the house undamaged... I'm sold on that stuff. The other stuff is crap.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:17:09 -0500
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Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I saw Pergo in a house that had extreme water damage, it was the
only wood in the house undamaged... I'm sold on that stuff. The
other stuff is crap.
They must have improved it since I had it. In a former house, late
1990s, we had Pergo installed. Some
We replaced nasty old carpet with Wilsonart laminate flooring a couple
of years ago. It's similar to Formica on Masonite. We have it in every
room in the house. There is no noticeable difference between that in
the bathroom (glued along the joints, but not the outside edges), and
anywhere else. I
We replaced nasty old carpet with Wilsonart laminate flooring
Some friends of my wife are contractors, and put that stuff
in their mom's kitchen. After several years of use, and being
used as a day care facility, the Wilsonart people came out to
photograph the installation for their catalog.
Isn't that a R107 in the architect's drawing here?
http://menards.com/web/managed/featuredProjects/garages/1954029PicLg.jpg
Mitch.
I'd say so
On 1/18/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't that a R107 in the architect's drawing here?
http://menards.com/web/managed/featuredProjects/garages/1954029PicLg.jpg
Mitch.
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OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
Isn't that a R107 in the architect's drawing here?
http://menards.com/web/managed/featuredProjects/garages/
1954029PicLg.jpg
Kinda-sorta, but it has a BMW-ish rear badge, and the shape of
the ass end reminds me more of a 114 than a 107. With Euro
bumpers, not USDOT behemoths.
-- Jim
Peter Frederick wrote:
TGI trusses are horrible,
I googled that to make sure what you were talking about (OSB I-Beam).
Google gave me lots of links to builders who explained why TGI was
far superior to 2x12. ;-) They forgot to mention cheap. The optional
upgrade seems to be built up
Mitch Haley wrote:
I googled that to make sure what you were talking about (OSB I-Beam).
Google gave me lots of links to builders who explained why TGI was
far superior to 2x12. ;-)
Before using OSB I-beams, you might want to check with your local fire
department. When they first became
On the subject of laminate flooring...I did just about the entire house with
it in our last house. The rooms that didn't get it got commercial grade
carpet squares. It seemed pretty durable, but the thing I didn't like about
it was that it was noisy when you walk on it. Sin the current
Now, if I were a materials engineer, I could answer that.
The I-beam that holds up our house is 8 by 4 flange, I think. maybe
10, I've not measured. I think there are three posts along the
length.
I was talking steel replacements for 2x4, 2x6, 2x8, and 2x12 wood,
standard for industrial
standard for industrial construction and should be for any multifamily
structure (they don't burn easily, for instance).
But they do melt. Tests show that wood beams hold up longer in
fires than steel, due to the self-insulating capabilities of wood.
-- Jim
Jim Cathey wrote:
standard for industrial construction and should be for any multifamily
structure (they don't burn easily, for instance).
But they do melt. Tests show that wood beams hold up longer in
fires than steel, due to the self-insulating capabilities of wood.
This would
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Thanks - keep info. coming - I can use all, as I have no experience in all
this.
We, too, have a nice secure feeling in our current 1918 built house
On the topic of flooring: We have such an aversion to carpet for a
multiple reasons. A new-build house we're looking into says it has
carpet and hardwood floors.
My wife was wondering if we could get them to make the stairs and
halls hardwood. I told her that would probably be very expensive,
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On the topic of flooring: We have such an aversion to carpet for a multiple
reasons. A new-build house we're looking into says it has carpet and
hardwood floors.
My wife was wondering if we could get them to make the stairs and halls
Doing the hall would not be an issue -- just lay down hardwood. Though
you will need to consider door thresholds/opening and such as the wood
is 3/4 thick. Carpet and pad have some thickness, close to that so it
might not be a big issue.
Stairs are possible but it depends on how they are
A few brands of laminate floor are billed as being totally waterproof
but most laminate floors even the genuine Pergo will swell permanently
and/or disintegrate if water gets into the sides or under the boards.
I'd never install it in a bathroom, though the manufactures will tell
you it can be
Another option is to build a composite beam; use 3x 2x12's with fletch
plates in them Drill holes on hex packing, two rows and bolt it all
together. You can probably have an elephant tap-dance on one of them.
-j.
You do it and I'll come watch the elephant...
BillR
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Just a quick note on flooring. In S. Fla we had all tile [NEVER get white
floor tile ], but here we have a mixture of carpet, tile and wood. A
few months ago I started seeing water squish up from between the floor
panels
In residential/apartement building use, the wood structure is the
primary fuel for the fire. With drywall on both side, the walls are 20
min. fireproof at least, more if insulated, and don't contribute to the
combustion, unlike wood.
Peter
Brian - Part of trying to answer would be knowing if you are looking over an
already constructed home or starting to build one and want to make sure they
are doing things correctly. The problem areas for me in homes have been
electrical:
- do you want dual lines to ceiling fans to control fan /
Okay, I know there's been a lot of OT lately (which I think keeps things
fun), but I want to draw upon the knowledge our discriminating collective:
As new-build houses go, how can one tell if a house is built with quality as
opposed to corner-cutting cheapness? I know that new techniques are
with engineered lumbar trusses this and most other houses now use,
water leaks (or poor ventilation) can create spaces with sufficient
moisture that these beams will loose integrity- depending on how much
moisture and how much time.
True also of wood, but it takes a lot longer! In theory you
Give up. I don't think it has as much to do with the quality of material
as it does with the quality of the workmanship. You will NEVER get a
well-constructed house unless YOU supervise EVERY aspect of the build.
Every builder I know hires teams of illegal aliens to do the
construction. I do not
windows, etc but well built.
Dave Wakin
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I actually only purchase pre owned homes of a certain
Of Dave Wakin
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I have read what the last few people have stated, and I agree with what has
been said. I worked in the construction field since I was 12 until I was 22
when I graduated
Thanks - keep info. coming - I can use all, as I have no experience in all
this.
We, too, have a nice secure feeling in our current 1918 built house which is
in a neighborhood about 5 blocks from the Mayo Clinic. I think that perhaps
there was quality construction in this neighborood.
As I am
Dave Wakin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What really got me was that when we went to sell our house, it was
worth the same price as one that was of similar size and location,
regardless of what the differences were in construction and detail.
Yep, that's the reality of residential real estate.
I restored/renovated a 100 yr old Victorian, and while it was a very
nice house, and well-built, when they say, They don't build 'em like
they used to that ain't always a bad thing! I found lots of shortcuts
in my house, when I opened up walls and stuff, from when it was
originally built.
OSB dintegrates once wetted -- the swelling wood fractures the glue and
it falls apart. The structural strength is questionable new -- as my
brother demostrated, a healthy guy can easily drive a 16 oz hammer
through a 3/4 sheet of OSB. I dont' know of anyone who can pull that
trick with
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