[MBZ] Subject: Re: W114/115 wheels wanted

2012-12-06 Thread RDeafBoy
These are the standard steel wheels used on all of the early 70's cars with 14 inch wheels. I have one steel wheel for a 1978 240d .Would that fit 114/115 ?? I'm above Philly. You can have it if it fits Bob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new

Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week

2012-12-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
This one looks pretty and it's in Tampa so maybe no rust?. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-400-Series-SLC-1977-Mercedes-Benz-450SLC-/160934075512?pt=US_Cars_Truckshash=item25786b1c78#ht_500wt_1182 On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Weld it on - no more

Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats

2012-12-06 Thread Randy Bennell
On 05/12/2012 5:31 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: Yes, Brian's Ventura will spin the rear tires for as long as you want to hold the pedal down. Oh, yes, Ventura = Nova, right? Stick a 455 in there and it'll stand on its nose from having all the weight in the wrong end. Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats

2012-12-06 Thread Randy Bennell
Or a Duster with the 340. A cousin had a '72 with a 340 and a 3 speed manual. It would do 105 mph in 2nd. No tach so I don't know what rpm it was turning but it would really go. Randy On 05/12/2012 5:46 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Nova Omega Ventura Apollo. Stick a big block in any of them

Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats

2012-12-06 Thread Randy Bennell
On 05/12/2012 6:57 PM, Fmiser wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: Well, my fuel injected F150 is only doing about 11 mpg - on the imperial gallon - around town these days so I have to remain sceptical. Those big old cars must have weighed as much as my truck and they generally had bigger motors and did

Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
One of the worst cars I ever made the mistake of buying came from Tampa. Red, 2 door delta 88. Sharp looking car, ran and drove perfect. Should have looked under it better. That thing was like Swiss cheese everywhere underneath. Had to sell it off for a parts car when suspension parts started

Re: [MBZ] OT Oz Porch

2012-12-06 Thread Randy Bennell
All things are relative. From where you are standing, it will be upside down. Randy On 05/12/2012 9:31 PM, clay monroe wrote: So cars down under really do run upside down clay On Dec 4, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: I am sure the purists will make the usual noises.

Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
Think of that big ole 455 running at typical Diesel rpm's, just loafing around, never really having to strain to move the car. Same reason a big block wrecker will often get better mpg than a small block. Gotta run the snot out of the small block to move 10 or 11k pounds, while the big block

[MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon

2012-12-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
I hate it when people complain that their 300D fuel economy is only in the mid 20s mpg. My daily driver 1983 300TD with a 1985 transmission gets exactly 20 mpg for mixed, mostly in-town driving. This dips to under 19 mpg in the winter. :(( There are no fuel leaks whatsoever. The car starts

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
Andrew, I am guessing your car does a whole lot of idling in traffic. 20 sounds about right when it rarely gets up to cruising speed for long periods. I get about 20 in the winter. Mike On Dec 6, 2012 12:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I hate it when people complain

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon

2012-12-06 Thread Randy Bennell
On 06/12/2012 11:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I hate it when people complain that their 300D fuel economy is only in the mid 20s mpg. My daily driver 1983 300TD with a 1985 transmission gets exactly 20 mpg for mixed, mostly in-town driving. This dips to under 19 mpg in the winter. :((

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon

2012-12-06 Thread Dan Penoff
I have often thought that these claims are inflated, as I have owned both normally aspirated and turbocharged 123 chassis cars, and never seen the mid 20s during normal driving. During highway miles, certainly, but around town I rarely got better than the high teens or low 20s. I also kept

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon

2012-12-06 Thread Tim C
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I hate it when people complain that their 300D fuel economy is only in the mid 20s mpg. My '77 300D is small, compared to your wagon. I get 21-23 in town, trips generally start cold and go 5-7 miles, tops. I

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread WILTON
You're providing the car and fuel? I'll try it. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:25 PM Subject: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon

2012-12-06 Thread Tim C
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I also kept (keep) meticulous records on my cars, so I feel pretty confident about my findings. Speaking of, I am using My Cars on Android to track mileage/repairs/car information. It does a good job and is free, but I would

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon

2012-12-06 Thread Randy Bennell
On 06/12/2012 12:03 PM, Tim C wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I hate it when people complain that their 300D fuel economy is only in the mid 20s mpg. My '77 300D is small, compared to your wagon. I get 21-23 in town, trips generally

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
I always get bad mpg anywhere near DC. Any of the *95 routes around there are a huge parking lot blocked by a wreck every time I go that way. Drive outside the beltway, your mpg will improve. Lol Mike On Dec 6, 2012 1:06 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Dan

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon

2012-12-06 Thread Curt Raymond
Take it out on the highway for a couple hour blast, drive to NYC and back maybe. See what your economy is after that run, could be more mixed mostly city is in reality almost exclusively city, short hops, engine never gets hot in which case your economy is entirely to be expected. I wouldn't

Re: [MBZ] Warning lights?

2012-12-06 Thread Curt Raymond
How? -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 20:30:53 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Warning lights? Message-ID: canzcij_frfgnkikv54retzw20xi1g9tud_ky2tbosp3+saa...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread WILTON
'Just downloaded My Cars Fleet Mngmt app to my iPhone. Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon

2012-12-06 Thread dseretakis
Well you already know that I suck at diagnosing fuel issues on these cars but I'll gladly borrow your car if you need it exercised on long DC to Maine jaunts. Maybe that's what it needs- a few 600 mile highway trips averaging 80mpg to blow out any carbon deposits. You don't mind road salt do

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Great feedback. I don't feel so whiny now knowing that I am not alone in my readings. Fuel economy is definitely better when I take the 300TD out on the highway. Neither wagon has ever exceeded 27 mpg, however, whereas SWMBOs 1985 300CD averaged 29.7 fully loaded with stuff between Atlanta and

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread ernest breakfield
hi Andrew! our '85 (Calif) 300D is routinely driven in a manner we'll call 'briskly', and averages just about or barely above 20 MPG on (almost exclusively) B99.9 in mostly Kombat Kommute traffic (which means either crawling or flying). we don't use it much for around-town. on open

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
With the gearing in the 85 models they don't start getting superior mileage until you cruise at 85mph plus for a tank of fuel. We have run my friend Jon's 85 td from upstate NY to the Outer Banks of NC twice this summer. The car always gets better mpg at higher highway speed. Figured 35 on

Re: [MBZ] Warning lights?

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
I haven't done it myself but I would say you could use a rag flooded over the end of a screwdriver a couple times sprayed with contact cleaner. Stick it in the hole where the regulator goes and spin the alternator by hand. Compressed air probably wouldn't be a bad idea. Mike On Dec 6, 2012 1:12

Re: [MBZ] Warning lights?

2012-12-06 Thread Dan Penoff
A couple of observations from someone *very* familiar with slip rings and brushes... Never, EVER use emery cloth or other abrasives on slip rings. They are soft copper, and small particles of the abrasive will become embedded in the slip rings, effectively turning them into little copper

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Not sure I am ready for this sort of radical method to improve my fuel economy. Does anyone have possible tweaks (tuneups) that could coax a few more mpg out of the engine? BTW, what's Deuce? On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: With the gearing in the

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
A 10 wheel all wheel drive 2.5 ton truck commonly known as a Deuce and a half. Mike On Dec 6, 2012 2:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I am ready for this sort of radical method to improve my fuel economy. Does anyone have possible tweaks (tuneups) that could coax

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Tim C
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Not sure I am ready for this sort of radical method to improve my fuel economy. Does anyone have possible tweaks (tuneups) that could coax a few more mpg out of the engine? 1) Drive it like you are afraid the

[MBZ] OT video cameras

2012-12-06 Thread Randy Bennell
Anyone out there with expertise or at least recent experience? We have had 2 Canon video cameras over the years. The first died, was repaired and died again. The second still works but is the old tape style and certainly not HD. Prices are much much less than we paid for either of the earlier

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon

2012-12-06 Thread John Reames
Ain't that the truth! -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Dec 6, 2012, at 13:09, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: I always get bad mpg anywhere near DC. Any of the *95 routes around there are a huge parking lot blocked by a wreck every

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Benz Hogs
#1 Only use full-throttle when merging onto the interstate. #2 Find traffic-less sections of the interstate, stop on the shoulder, do full-throttle acceleration up to speed limit (or beyond, if you dare :) ), repeat. This would reduce carbon buildup on the injectors, rings, and valves which

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Tim C
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: #1 Only use full-throttle when merging onto the interstate. #2 Find traffic-less sections of the interstate, stop on the shoulder, do full-throttle acceleration up to speed limit (or beyond, if you dare :) ), repeat.

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Rick Knoble
On Dec 6, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have possible tweaks (tuneups) that could coax a few more mpg out of the engine? 1. Check timing chain stretch. 2. Check injector spray patterns. 3. Replace what needs replaced. 4. Advance/Retard cam

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Benz Hogs
On 12/6/2012 1:49 PM, Tim C wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: #1 Only use full-throttle when merging onto the interstate. #2 Find traffic-less sections of the interstate, stop on the shoulder, do full-throttle acceleration up to speed limit (or

Re: [MBZ] OT video cameras

2012-12-06 Thread Greg Fiorentino
Many of the compact digital cameras made these days take excellent HD video. I have a few years old Panasonic Lumix that takes 720P video. Some of the newer ones take even higher resolution. IMO dedicated video cameras for amateurs are obsolete. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
The Deuce is pretty much as slow as it gets off the line. Diesel Rabbit starts would be a better description than Jack rabbit. Mike On Dec 6, 2012 2:54 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: On 12/6/2012 1:49 PM, Tim C wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Benz Hogs

Re: [MBZ] OT video cameras

2012-12-06 Thread Curt Raymond
Pretty much anything will do the job today. For short videos even a still camera will get you there, its biggest problem will be the amount (duration) you can record. One tip is to ignore digital zoom ratings, digital zoom always sucks. -Curt Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:38:55 -0600 From: Randy

Re: [MBZ] OT video cameras

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
The compact cameras take ok video. They are still not a good video camera if that is what you want/need. There are compromises either way. A video camera will take decent stills but not as good as a dedicated still camera and vice versa. Mike On Dec 6, 2012 2:54 PM, Greg Fiorentino

Re: [MBZ] OM603+107?

2012-12-06 Thread Tim C
On Dec 6, 2012 1:39 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: What about the 90s 5cl OM603? It'd be fun driving a 35mpg diesel convertible :) I thought Loren was going to do that a few years ago? Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used

Re: [MBZ] OT video cameras

2012-12-06 Thread Greg Fiorentino
Here is an example of ok video taken with a Panasonic Lumix GH1 compact camera: http://philipbloom.net/film/kauai-sunset-lumix-gh1/ You be the judge whether this quality would suit your needs. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [MBZ] OT video cameras

2012-12-06 Thread Randy Bennell
I pretty much guessed that the reason why there are fewer video cameras advertised in the flyers lately is that the basic digital cameras are able to do something about as good. My wife has a decent Fuji camera that will do reasonable video. However, I sort of want to get a dedicated one

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Randy Bennell
On 06/12/2012 1:52 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Dec 6, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have possible tweaks (tuneups) that could coax a few more mpg out of the engine? 1. Check timing chain stretch. 2. Check injector spray patterns. 3. Replace what

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Benz Hogs
I know how slow a Deuce is, it's only there for drafting purpose :) Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi) On 12/6/2012 2:17 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: The Deuce is pretty much as slow as it gets off the line. Diesel Rabbit starts would be a better description than

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
The problem is more likely the engine is running too slow. The 85 Andrew has is higher geared and turns lower rpm's at the same speed as most w123's. Mike On Dec 6, 2012 4:48 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 06/12/2012 1:52 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Dec 6, 2012, at 1:26 PM,

Re: [MBZ] OT video cameras

2012-12-06 Thread Dan Penoff
I still have a standard definition Panasonic 3CCD mini DV video camera that does a fantastic job. I used it a lot when I was at the university producing videos for my supervising professor. It's a real workhorse and works well, especially when I pair it with my RODE shotgun mike. I have

[MBZ] biodiesel shipments

2012-12-06 Thread Mitch Haley
They shipped the same stuff across a border repeatedly, are they gaming some sort of gov't incentive program? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/11/30/cn-biodiesel-mystery-shipment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats

2012-12-06 Thread kevinpaddler
I remember my uncle having a 1970's Pontiac wagon that also had a forward facing 3rd row seat. When it was in use, there was a small amount of cargo room behind it. I'm not sure of the exact model, but I rode back there a few times. Kevin, MB Dieselless in Laporte, Colorado

Re: [MBZ] W114/115 wheels wanted

2012-12-06 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Thanks for all the responses guys... I might be able to get the originals from the previous owner it seems. If that doesn't come through, i'll be in touch. Jaime On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:51 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I might have that color hub cap as well clay On Dec

Re: [MBZ] OT video cameras

2012-12-06 Thread Curt Raymond
Sure I can understand that, I have 4 semi-pro units, of course I'm a semi-pro... I like using tape, tapes are easy to store and give an easy archive solution. I don't particularly like spinning disk technology but it does seem to be adequately tough. A look at Amazon shows pretty much zero tape

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Curt Raymond
Its also a myth on a diesel engine that engine speed has much of anything to do with fuel economy. When I had my '85 190D 5spd I did a bunch of testing where sometimes I'd drive my commute (45 miles each way at the time) using 5th gear and sometimes I wouldn't. I could never detect any

Re: [MBZ] OT video cameras

2012-12-06 Thread Curt Raymond
HD is over-rated for most consumer use. Your 3ccd camera was top of the pops not so long ago but has been largely eclipsed by CMOS technology which can almost sort of simulate 3ccd with only one. I've got 2x 3ccd cameras, a 1ccd HD and a CMOS and each is good in its own instance. The 1ccd is

Re: [MBZ] Warning lights?

2012-12-06 Thread OK Don
I used a new (it's square) pencil eraser, followed by a rag folded over a screw driver blade, soaked in brake cleaner. This converted a dead alternator with a new regulator into a working alternator with a new regulator. Yes, the brushes were very worn in the old regulator, but the arcing trying

Re: [MBZ] OM603+107?

2012-12-06 Thread OK Don
That might be the more sensible swap (it's a 602 with 5 cyl.), but the 603 has more power and torque :) WHat happened to Loren's project - the same as mine? All dream, no follow-through? On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Dec 6, 2012 1:39 AM, Benz Hogs

Re: [MBZ] OM603+107?

2012-12-06 Thread Benz Hogs
One cylinder less gives more room for an Fin-style intercooler :-D I wasn't aware the 5cyl turbo was still called the 602. OH, right, the '87 190D is a 602 turbo. I'm so dense at times... Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi) On 12/6/2012 7:57 PM, OK Don wrote: That

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread OK Don
My serious suggestion is to adjust the valves. The other suggestion is how I increased my Diesel fuel economy from 30+ mpg (300D 2.5T) to over 45 mpg - trade the old mercedes for a new VW TDI :-) On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Its also a myth on a

Re: [MBZ] OM603+107?

2012-12-06 Thread OK Don
Still wrong - the 190d has the OM601 engine - 4 cyl. OM602 is 5 cyl., and OM603 is 6 cyl. You're too young to be forgetting this stuff! On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: One cylinder less gives more room for an Fin-style intercooler :-D I wasn't aware

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
Curt, That depends on the engine. MBZ Diesels are not the same as American inline 6 and v8 Diesels. With the idi Ford 7.3 in my F350 putting taller tires on it and getting the rpm's under 2000@60mph gained me 3mpg on the highway. My 6.2 crewcab Chevy will get 25mpg all day long if you never

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Peter Frederick
The reason that higher speed reduced diesel fuel economy is that higher horsepower is needed, and diesels are very output sensitive in terms of fuel consumption. They do not suffer from the charge density problems of gasoline engines (at idle, the pressure in the combustion chamber is

Re: [MBZ] OM603+107?

2012-12-06 Thread Jim Cathey
I wasn't aware the 5cyl turbo was still called the 602. OH, right, the '87 190D is a 602 turbo. I'm so dense at times... Still wrong - the 190d has the OM601 engine - 4 cyl. OM602 is 5 cyl., and OM603 is 6 cyl. You're too young to be forgetting this stuff! Bzzzt! The 190D with the 2.5

[MBZ] More interesting auction cars

2012-12-06 Thread clay monroe
murphyauction.com/Auction/Catalog/333 Lot: 228 Qty: 1 Login to Bid Year: 1985 Make: MERCEDES Model: 280SL Description: 6 CYL, AUTO, A/C, CRUISE, P/WDW, CONVERTIBLE , ODOMETER READS: 133811 s/n: WDB1070421A016070 Lot: 217 Qty: 1 Login to Bid Year: 1996

Re: [MBZ] OM603+107?

2012-12-06 Thread Benz Hogs
Now who is too young to be forgetting things? :-D Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi) On 12/6/2012 9:20 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I wasn't aware the 5cyl turbo was still called the 602. OH, right, the '87 190D is a 602 turbo. I'm so dense at times... Still wrong - the

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon

2012-12-06 Thread Dieselhead
On Dec 6, 2012, at 13:09, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: I always get bad mpg anywhere near DC. Any of the *95 routes around there are a huge parking lot blocked by a wreck every time I go that way. Drive outside the beltway, your mpg will improve. Lol Mike Drive

Re: [MBZ] Beltless

2012-12-06 Thread Max Dillon
Making an assumption that a serpentine belt would be used on a old engine to drive all those accessories except the oil pump. New engine uses one belt to drive the alternator, so the number of belts has not changed. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 relng...@aol.com

Re: [MBZ] Beltless

2012-12-06 Thread John Freer
With the exception of seat belts and the belts in the radial tires, my Chevy Volt engine and motor are beltless. John On Dec 6, 2012 7:50 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Making an assumption that a serpentine belt would be used on a old engine to drive all those accessories