[MBZ] OT: Happy 4th!
Hope all the Americans on the list have a pleasant holiday, and the rest of you lot have a quiet and pleasant 4th of July. A very sincere thank you to the veterans and active servicefolk who have helped us keep our independence for so long. In other news, the year is half over, and I've spent maybe 10 hours on the SDLs. I could work on them, but instead we are going to visit DC so I can be around the other people who do 20 hours of work in a year. :) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime - An Easy Flip!!
That's called CADD Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That's too new for me! But thanks Dan. And I'm more of a add-value and resell kinda kind. I never flip. Jaime On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Here you go: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2398233-1993-mercedes-benz-400sel-sale-whole.html#post12414633 http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2398233-1993-mercedes-benz-400sel-sale-whole.html#post12414633 I’ll give you $500 for it when you’re done. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Happy 4th!
You, too. Travel safely. Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim Crone via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Tim Crone bb...@crone.us Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 7:26 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Happy 4th! Hope all the Americans on the list have a pleasant holiday, and the rest of you lot have a quiet and pleasant 4th of July. A very sincere thank you to the veterans and active servicefolk who have helped us keep our independence for so long. In other news, the year is half over, and I've spent maybe 10 hours on the SDLs. I could work on them, but instead we are going to visit DC so I can be around the other people who do 20 hours of work in a year. :) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the sky is falling
Guys - let's be civil, please. No problem with disagreeing, but no need for name calling. Dan/Mom Sent from my iPad On Jul 1, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: He's a lot smarter than your two a**hole senators. On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: HAHAHAHA Ed Malarkey from MA -- yer killin me A! --R On 7/1/15 4:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: MD Senators Cardin and Mikulski are awesome. So are Sen. Markey in MA and Whitehouse in RI. The list goes on. Don't be such a cynic. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jaime - An Easy Flip!!
That's too new for me! But thanks Dan. And I'm more of a add-value and resell kinda kind. I never flip. Jaime On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Here you go: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2398233-1993-mercedes-benz-400sel-sale-whole.html#post12414633 http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2398233-1993-mercedes-benz-400sel-sale-whole.html#post12414633 I’ll give you $500 for it when you’re done. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
Based on being notified of an age extension on an older MB, I have to assume that there is an Use By date for air bags. I have seen similar stickers on my cars. That being said, I've never heard of anyone ever replacing all of their air bags based on their age Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:09 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was browsing some used MBs and noticed a sticker in the door frame of a ML320 that read; Steering Wheel - 06-2015 Instrument Panel - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Roof Frame --- Right Roof frame -- I assume there are air bags in each location and each will need to be replaced at some point? The sticker says they need to be replaced this month, correct? Seems like that would require a large price reduction. Don't recall the year of the ML but I think it was between 2000 and 2005. Is there a time frame when air bags need to be replace ? Thanks LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT:Schützenfest
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[MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
I was browsing some used MBs and noticed a sticker in the door frame of a ML320 that read; Steering Wheel - 06-2015 Instrument Panel - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Roof Frame --- Right Roof frame -- I assume there are air bags in each location and each will need to be replaced at some point? The sticker says they need to be replaced this month, correct? Seems like that would require a large price reduction. Don't recall the year of the ML but I think it was between 2000 and 2005. Is there a time frame when air bags need to be replace ? Thanks LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
According to the following statistics, you stand roughly one chance in 340,000 of being injured or killed by an involuntarily exploding air bag in one of the car brands listed below. Since you also stand one chance in 4000 to 8000 of dying in a car accident in any one year depending on the circumstances, the exploding airbag odds look pretty good. Gerry When car sensors detect a crash, a chemical reaction is triggered by the ignition of a solid hunk of propellant. The way propellant works in an airbag comes down to heat, moisture, and timing. A wad of chemicals sits inside a flattened metal canister until heated up—which makes those chemicals expand quickly and gaseously when the airbag needs to inflate. Vents on the back of the bag prevent the whole thing from being blown to bits. All this happens in about half the time it takes for a person to blink: between 100 and 200 milliseconds. That’s how it’s supposed to work, anyway. But as many as one in seven cars on the roads in the United States may have defective airbags. That’s the scope of the ongoing automotive recall that includes 34 million cars—Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Mazda, Mitsubishi, General Motors, Subaru, Ford, Chrysler, and BMW are all affected. The defective Takata-made airbags explode with shrapnel, spraying motorists with sharp bits of metal, and have caused more than 100 injuries and at least eight deaths in the past decade. The faulty airbags are being traced back to the chemical compound Takata now uses for propellant. The manufacturer changed the main ingredient from tetrazole to ammonium nitrate in 2001. Takata has defended its continued use of the latter, calling it “safe and effective for use in airbag inflators when properly engineered and manufactured,” in a statement. But employee emails show that there were “dire warnings about safety and quality lapses years before Takata Corp. would fully acknowledge the threat posed by its defective airbags,” according to a report by the Senate Commerce Committee this week. Senator Bill Nelson, a Floridan Democrat, says it now appears that Takata was aware of “serious safety and quality control lapses” in its factories as early as 2001. Ammonium nitrate can expand rapidly as a gas without exploding, but it can also explode violently. It's pretty unstable, too, which means it can—and often does—blow up when it isn't supposed to. It’s cheap, which makes it desirable to manufacturers, but it’s unpredictable. “And it's not regulated at all as a propellant,” said Byron Bloch, a car-design consultant and long-time advocate for automotive-safety technologiessnip http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/06/airbags/396854/ More than you want to know about airbags: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbag . Rich Thomas wrote: Are they Takata airbags? If so, they don't work anyway, so you can just disregard --R On 7/2/15 12:18 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: So the dates are when the Air Bags are supposed to be replaced? That must be pretty expensive -- Hmm I wonder how much of the mechanism is replaced? Just the explosive mechanism or just the sensors? Don't know what kind of explosives they use but from personal experience, I've seen bullets that were hand-loaded 35+ years ago still fire like new. I doubt they use smokeless gun powder but it's probably similar chemicals involved (Perhaps). Thanks - LarryT 91 300D On 7/2/2015 11:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I remember this being a big thing at one point where airbags were supposed to stop working and we were all going to die in horrible crashes.Last I heard it turns out that nobody really knows the effective lifespan of an airbag. If you could use it as a negotiating tactic I'd say go for it. rel -Curt Based on being notified of an age extension on an older MB, I have to assume that there is an Use By date for air bags. I have seen similar stickers on my cars. That being said, I've never heard of anyone ever replacing all of their air bags based on their age Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:09 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was browsing some used MBs and noticed a sticker in the door frame of a ML320 that read; Steering Wheel - 06-2015 Instrument Panel - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Roof Frame --- Right Roof frame -- I assume there are air bags in each location and each will need to be replaced at some point? The sticker says they need to be replaced this month, correct? Seems like that would require a large price reduction. Don't recall the year of the ML but I think it was between 2000 and 2005. Is there a time frame when air bags need to be replace ? Thanks
Re: [MBZ] WAS Sticker on Used MB NOW Vermin
There are white squirrels in the western mountains of NC. I think they have a white squirrel festival where lister Glen Brown lives. On Jul 2, 2015 5:57 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Gray. There are some black ones around other places, and white black ones here and there. I would not find rats tasty unless I was really really hungry though my black neighbors seem to like them. --R On 7/2/15 5:35 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On July 2, 2015 at 5:22 PM Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The last coupla days I have popped several squirrels that were getting all the squirrel seed my wife puts out for the birds. I think I got 5 or 6, some of them ran off after getting hit but I think they probably did not live long. There are 2 or 3 more around that ran off before I could get them. Gray squirrels, fox squirrels? A half dozen of either would have made a good pot of stew. Never knew anybody who ate the little red squirrels, but they should eat the same, just less meat for the work involved. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Sticker on Used MB NOW Vermin
I was just today thinking maybe I ought to pop a couple of our fat squirrels. One went into the garden and looked like he was going to stop for a snack but he passed right through. I should get my new pellet gun out and finish sighting it in, the rear sight needs to be shimmed, it shoots really low even thought I adjusted it all the way up. Dad got the gun at an auction for $3, so you know its quality. ;) Reloads quicker than my 10 pump crossman though and that one won't kill a squirrel, just ring its bell... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Screw Emissions!
For the past two years Frosch has had issues with misfires. I took it to one shop because of a club event deal. Those bozos screwed the car up because they were not qualified to work on a Djet system. They claimed to have adjusted it the best they could and made it run. They did a crap job and misadjusted the systems to the point that the car ceased to be drivable by the end of last summer. The thing was just popping and puttering with no power at all. To get it to actually move, I had to work the go pedal like a treadle sewing machine. Top speed was all of 10mph. She was a dog and so got parked until this week. I got enough spare cash to take it to my indy. The past year I collected a spare computer, MAP, and rebuilt a set of trigger points, two spare dizzys and a bunch of untested injectors. I dropped the stuff off with the car Fridayay and waited for news. I got a message that injector #2 was bad but the used ones were not the preferred resolution. I got a new injector, but that did not make it better. Fresh plugs were also not a good fix. The rebuild of the trigger points was also less than ideal. I dropped by the shop yesterday to see how it was going. Indy had me take the car for a drive. The fresh injector and adjusting fuel to rich made it a little better, but did not solve the misfire. The sort of last option was to go with all new injectors. $2500 to get fuel moving right. I agreed to the solution if he thought it would do the trick. He was reticent but wanted to try one last thing. I got a call this afternoon that I needed to call the shop. It did not sound like good news. No information as to why. I was taking the w140 out for a wash, so dropped by to see what the issue was. I got out of the car and the look of grief on my indy's face was not inspiring. Neither was his attitude. I was ordered to get in the car and drive it. He tells me even with the new injectors it now runs worse than it had just 24 hours prior. I guess the look on my face showed exactly what I felt inside. Massive Whiskey tango, what do you mean I have stage three cancer, Doc? But, I got in and fired her up. Backing out of the lot, she gave a definite, but delicate poot poot, miss. Traffic was too thick to get her on the highway for a test, so I just took her around a few blocks to see how bad it was. I could not tell if the missing was really noticeable or more pronounced than it had been Wednesday. Power seemed better and the skipping was not at all what she had done before. Maybe the new injectors were delivering fuel far better than the one in the car and that was enough to have her running fine. Wednesday, it was as if one or more plugs were dead. I pull up to the shop and tell him that I think it is running much better than before. The Sh*t eating grin I get back confused me. Turns out I do not have all new injectors. I have a 42 year old car. The emissions system was screwing up things, on top of the 20* advance the other shop did, poor selection of plugs they added, garbage Bosch wires that did not really fit, so #7 was not firing, and the fixed trigger points were wonky. Indy pulled the vacuum stuff to the relays and dizzy then timed it properly to 5* retarded, cleaned the original trigger points (there was oil) and put them back in. Dried the dizzy cap and a twist and twiddle to make it all good and I have a car to drive in the heat this holiday weekend. She ain't perfect, but she runs well now and will be getting fresh wires and the oil pressure looked at on another visit. I was sworn to only take Frosch to his shop, as he did not want to fix other folks screw ups, and we are only going to use new parts that he will stand behind. Sound good to me. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is whack
The w220 is very korean. #2 boy is back in the house for the summer. He got to ride in the 140 and tells me my seats in the 220 are lame compared to the ones his brother enjoys. clay On Jun 25, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Yes I agree. I tend to think the 140 is under appreciated as well. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 25, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If there was one thing about my W220 that’s a negative (in my mind) it’s the styling. It’s a wonderful car and has all sorts of very nice goodies, very good to drive, etc., but in a parking lot it looks like every other car. I think the real distinctive MB design ended with the W140 as a far as sedans go. Dan On Jun 25, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have not kept track of things closely enough so I might be wrong on this but it appears to me that MB is now copying asian designs. A few years back it was the other way around. A friend has a nice 2000 Lexus sedan that on first glance makes me think Mercedes. Now, when I see a new Mercedes, I think, Hyundai until I can see the star. The new Mercedes do not look classy to me. I do suppose they are trying to appeal to a younger group than me. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Tasks
Dan writes: I know there are hand pumps you can do it with, but that seems really messy and a hassle. I would be interested to hear if anyone has a better method. 1. Buy a garden sprayer. 2. Cut the nozzle off. 3. Fill with gear lube. 4. Pressurize sprayer. 5. Squeeze trigger. 6. Fill differential. 7. Clean up. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
Actually, they work a little too good. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 12:33 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB Are they Takata airbags? If so, they don't work anyway, so you can just disregard --R On 7/2/15 12:18 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: So the dates are when the Air Bags are supposed to be replaced? That must be pretty expensive -- Hmm I wonder how much of the mechanism is replaced? Just the explosive mechanism or just the sensors? Don't know what kind of explosives they use but from personal experience, I've seen bullets that were hand-loaded 35+ years ago still fire like new. I doubt they use smokeless gun powder but it's probably similar chemicals involved (Perhaps). Thanks - LarryT 91 300D On 7/2/2015 11:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I remember this being a big thing at one point where airbags were supposed to stop working and we were all going to die in horrible crashes.Last I heard it turns out that nobody really knows the effective lifespan of an airbag. If you could use it as a negotiating tactic I'd say go for it. rel -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB Based on being notified of an age extension on an older MB, I have to assume that there is an Use By date for air bags. I have seen similar stickers on my cars. That being said, I've never heard of anyone ever replacing all of their air bags based on their age Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:09 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was browsing some used MBs and noticed a sticker in the door frame of a ML320 that read; Steering Wheel - 06-2015 Instrument Panel - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Roof Frame --- Right Roof frame -- I assume there are air bags in each location and each will need to be replaced at some point? The sticker says they need to be replaced this month, correct? Seems like that would require a large price reduction. Don't recall the year of the ML but I think it was between 2000 and 2005. Is there a time frame when air bags need to be replace ? Thanks LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Schützenfest
Unlike the US, suppressors are big in Europe. They think it's impolite to make so much noise. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 11:22 AM To: Mercedes List Cc: Mitch Haley Subject: [MBZ] OT:Schützenfest http://www.dw.com/en/beginners-guide-to-germanys-shooting-festivals/g- 18546949 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Today's Tasks
Wanted to drain and refill the differential on the W220 (S430) so I figured I would do it after I got home, since the differential would be nice a toasty from the drive. On a whim I picked up a transmission (rear engine) mount while at the dealer today, since I keep reading about how these cars can be hard on mounts. My engine mounts look good and there’s no twisting or torquing of the engine from what I can see, so I don’t see a need to mess with the front ones for now. Got the differential done without incident. I wish there was a better way of filing it, as I rigged a piece of clear plastic tubing on the nozzle cap of a bottle a few years ago and keep that handy. I get the bottle inverted up in the wheel well or somewhere it can be at or above the differential and just squeeze the crap out of it to force the oil out. I know there are hand pumps you can do it with, but that seems really messy and a hassle. I would be interested to hear if anyone has a better method. Moved to the front of the car and got it in the air. Used the pneumatic suspension to raise it a few more inches, which is nice as I barely had enough room to get under the car on the ramps. Bottom mount bolt were easy, but the side bolts that go into the transmission case were a bit of a PITA. They’re angled down, so to be able to get a socket on them you have to loosen the bottom mount bolts and raise the transmission up with your jack. Once this is done you can get on them pretty easy. What I found weird was that the bolt heads for the two big bolts that go into the transmission case are 5/8”, not 17mm like on every other MB I’ve ever done this on. Strange. Anyway, got new mount in and everything started with a nice coat of thread locking compound on all the fasteners. After settling the mount, I had to use a 3/8” universal to get on the big side bolts, the bottom ones were easy. Close inspection showed that the old mount was beginning to shear off between the rubber and the center support part. Didn’t look like it was close to failure or anything, but it was coming apart. So, since I had planned on doing this tomorrow, I now have nothing to do tomorrow except to continue laying paint on the replacement bumper I got for the S420. Hopefully the weather will cooperate…. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Sticker on Used MB NOW Vermin
The NRA would make big money with a program to teach squirrels to shoot. On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was just today thinking maybe I ought to pop a couple of our fat squirrels. One went into the garden and looked like he was going to stop for a snack but he passed right through. I should get my new pellet gun out and finish sighting it in, the rear sight needs to be shimmed, it shoots really low even thought I adjusted it all the way up. Dad got the gun at an auction for $3, so you know its quality. ;) Reloads quicker than my 10 pump crossman though and that one won't kill a squirrel, just ring its bell... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I killed it Jim! Then, fix it Bones!
Wasn't there one year where they tried a seat-belt starter interlock? There's an underhood switch to bypass it, for servicing. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
Those aren’t the ones that include shrapnel at no additional charge, are they? The wife’s former Mazda 6 had one of these and it got swapped out by the stealer a couple of months ago. I understood them to be the functional equivalent of a Claymore or Bouncing Betty in your steering wheel. Dan On Jul 2, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Actually, they work a little too good. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 12:33 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB Are they Takata airbags? If so, they don't work anyway, so you can just disregard --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pick and Pull, Anyone?
My car does not allow for new phones to connect to the in car system. I think the cutting edge for the W220 was a startak clay On Jun 22, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Why do you want to retrofit a phone? Are you somehow going to wire up a modern phone in it? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 22, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If anyone is going to their local PP in the near future, would you be wiling to look for a couple of cables I need to retrofit a phone to my S430? Pretty much any W220 from 2000-2006 and even other models of the same vintage would have what I want if they were equipped with a factory phone setup. I’m looking for the cable that comes off the PSE as well as a fiber cable that goes between the voice control module and the PSE. These would be mounted in the trunk on the driver’s side if a W220. In the trunk as well on other models, but I’m not exactly sure where. Pictures: PSE with cable: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x7e6txlggwv4hef/PSE.JPG?dl=0 Fiber cable: https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3xh4t1n47d9rna/Fiber%20cable.jpg?dl=0 There is one PP here in Tampa (LKQ) and they have one car that fits the description. It doesn’t have a factory phone. Both of the cables are NLA. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I killed it Jim! Then, fix it Bones!
I have not tried neutral yet. I did some tracing of the circuits and I think the thing I undid was part of the start system. At least that is what the diagram seems to indicate. I will try anyway clay On Jun 30, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: Neutral safety switch? That switch lives in a dirty environment. Have you tried it in neureal? The 300d (76) has been sitting for a while. I seem to have killed the connection from the key to the starter. The glow circuit seems to work, the key turns and lights up the dash bulbs as normal, but when I turn the key to engage the starter, Nothing. I have been removing wires from the door and other non-essential(?) items. Thinks like AC and window, sun roof. The window wiring went out the firewall to a box (passenger side) that had fuses and wiring block, but also an ancillary pig tail that went under the fuse to a relay? with four wires. A heavy red, a heavy black and standard ground (brown) and another wire. I was messing with this bunch just prior to the no start. What I need to do is divest as much as I can from the key and put it all on dash switches. I need a kill switch, glow, ignition, start, and want the lights divorced from the spin dial. Any tips? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I killed it Jim! Then, fix it Bones!
The seat belt interlock was 1974 only. Bad idea, as everyone either hot-wired it and still didn't wear seat belts, or people who did often found it necessary to hot-wire the system so they could start their cars when it failed. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
Are they Takata airbags? If so, they don't work anyway, so you can just disregard --R On 7/2/15 12:18 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: So the dates are when the Air Bags are supposed to be replaced? That must be pretty expensive -- Hmm I wonder how much of the mechanism is replaced? Just the explosive mechanism or just the sensors? Don't know what kind of explosives they use but from personal experience, I've seen bullets that were hand-loaded 35+ years ago still fire like new. I doubt they use smokeless gun powder but it's probably similar chemicals involved (Perhaps). Thanks - LarryT 91 300D On 7/2/2015 11:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I remember this being a big thing at one point where airbags were supposed to stop working and we were all going to die in horrible crashes.Last I heard it turns out that nobody really knows the effective lifespan of an airbag. If you could use it as a negotiating tactic I'd say go for it. rel -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB Based on being notified of an age extension on an older MB, I have to assume that there is an Use By date for air bags. I have seen similar stickers on my cars. That being said, I've never heard of anyone ever replacing all of their air bags based on their age Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:09 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was browsing some used MBs and noticed a sticker in the door frame of a ML320 that read; Steering Wheel - 06-2015 Instrument Panel - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Roof Frame --- Right Roof frame -- I assume there are air bags in each location and each will need to be replaced at some point? The sticker says they need to be replaced this month, correct? Seems like that would require a large price reduction. Don't recall the year of the ML but I think it was between 2000 and 2005. Is there a time frame when air bags need to be replace ? Thanks LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
On July 2, 2015 at 7:21 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've got the original airbag from my '87 wagon. I need a creative way to test it, if anyone has one (and no, I won't sit on it and detonate it, need a crash test dummy or some such). -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Ya6z-NlDo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
That reminds me, I need to glue some walnuts onto my chipmunk traps. Little bastards are digging holes all over my yard, time to trim the population a little. -Curt From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB On July 2, 2015 at 7:21 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've got the original airbag from my '87 wagon. I need a creative way to test it, if anyone has one (and no, I won't sit on it and detonate it, need a crash test dummy or some such). -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Ya6z-NlDo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
There may be something to work with here... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 2, 2015 1:29:37 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On July 2, 2015 at 7:21 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've got the original airbag from my '87 wagon. I need a creative way to test it, if anyone has one (and no, I won't sit on it and detonate it, need a crash test dummy or some such). -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Ya6z-NlDo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
I remember this being a big thing at one point where airbags were supposed to stop working and we were all going to die in horrible crashes.Last I heard it turns out that nobody really knows the effective lifespan of an airbag. If you could use it as a negotiating tactic I'd say go for it. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB Based on being notified of an age extension on an older MB, I have to assume that there is an Use By date for air bags. I have seen similar stickers on my cars. That being said, I've never heard of anyone ever replacing all of their air bags based on their age Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:09 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was browsing some used MBs and noticed a sticker in the door frame of a ML320 that read; Steering Wheel - 06-2015 Instrument Panel - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Roof Frame --- Right Roof frame -- I assume there are air bags in each location and each will need to be replaced at some point? The sticker says they need to be replaced this month, correct? Seems like that would require a large price reduction. Don't recall the year of the ML but I think it was between 2000 and 2005. Is there a time frame when air bags need to be replace ? Thanks LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
I thought that MB recently added ten years to the original ten years of air bag life? I've got the original airbag from my '87 wagon. I need a creative way to test it, if anyone has one (and no, I won't sit on it and detonate it, need a crash test dummy or some such). -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
So the dates are when the Air Bags are supposed to be replaced? That must be pretty expensive -- Hmm I wonder how much of the mechanism is replaced? Just the explosive mechanism or just the sensors? Don't know what kind of explosives they use but from personal experience, I've seen bullets that were hand-loaded 35+ years ago still fire like new. I doubt they use smokeless gun powder but it's probably similar chemicals involved (Perhaps). Thanks - LarryT 91 300D On 7/2/2015 11:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I remember this being a big thing at one point where airbags were supposed to stop working and we were all going to die in horrible crashes.Last I heard it turns out that nobody really knows the effective lifespan of an airbag. If you could use it as a negotiating tactic I'd say go for it. rel -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB Based on being notified of an age extension on an older MB, I have to assume that there is an Use By date for air bags. I have seen similar stickers on my cars. That being said, I've never heard of anyone ever replacing all of their air bags based on their age Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:09 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was browsing some used MBs and noticed a sticker in the door frame of a ML320 that read; Steering Wheel - 06-2015 Instrument Panel - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Roof Frame --- Right Roof frame -- I assume there are air bags in each location and each will need to be replaced at some point? The sticker says they need to be replaced this month, correct? Seems like that would require a large price reduction. Don't recall the year of the ML but I think it was between 2000 and 2005. Is there a time frame when air bags need to be replace ? Thanks LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Schützenfest
We called them Turkey Shoots in Wisconsin, didn't raise them to quite the same art form / celebration. Once when I was involved in a joint operation, on base there was a platoon from some European country with feathered hats very similar to those on the pictures. We found them quite amusing, now I'll bet those hats are related somehow to this Schützenfest. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 2, 2015 11:22:26 AM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.dw.com/en/beginners-guide-to-germanys-shooting-festivals/g-18546949 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Sticker on Used MB NOW Vermin
The last coupla days I have popped several squirrels that were getting all the squirrel seed my wife puts out for the birds. I think I got 5 or 6, some of them ran off after getting hit but I think they probably did not live long. There are 2 or 3 more around that ran off before I could get them. They learn pretty quickly but I think this must have been a recent wave as they were not yet afraid of me or the pellet gun. If I got most of them there might be more moving in to fill the niche. I zeroed in the scope of the pellet gun and put some bike lube in the barrel, that thing cracks like a .22 now when I fire it, and I can put a group into a quarter-sized circle at 50ft or so. I got one squirrel that was way up in a tree maybe 30ft or so, knocked it out and it thunked but got up and ran off. Another one made it up about that high before succumbing and dropped down. I leave them out there, most of them disappear over night, I guess raccoons or possums or something gets them. --R On 7/2/15 1:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: That reminds me, I need to glue some walnuts onto my chipmunk traps. Little bastards are digging holes all over my yard, time to trim the population a little. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Sticker on Used MB NOW Vermin
On July 2, 2015 at 5:22 PM Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The last coupla days I have popped several squirrels that were getting all the squirrel seed my wife puts out for the birds. I think I got 5 or 6, some of them ran off after getting hit but I think they probably did not live long. There are 2 or 3 more around that ran off before I could get them. Gray squirrels, fox squirrels? A half dozen of either would have made a good pot of stew. Never knew anybody who ate the little red squirrels, but they should eat the same, just less meat for the work involved. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the sky is falling
I have thought of running for something too, but then realized I would have to deal with people like me. --R On 7/1/15 5:50 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Thanks, but I don't want it - 'couldn't put up with all the BS. 'Reminds me: 'Bout 25 years ago, I was chairman of local Historic District Commission; 'thought I might run for city council or county commission. 'Had too many nuts calling 'bout their pet projects and/or complaints; 'quickly decided I didn't need to put up with that BS. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Sticker on Used MB NOW Vermin
Gray. There are some black ones around other places, and white black ones here and there. I would not find rats tasty unless I was really really hungry though my black neighbors seem to like them. --R On 7/2/15 5:35 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On July 2, 2015 at 5:22 PM Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The last coupla days I have popped several squirrels that were getting all the squirrel seed my wife puts out for the birds. I think I got 5 or 6, some of them ran off after getting hit but I think they probably did not live long. There are 2 or 3 more around that ran off before I could get them. Gray squirrels, fox squirrels? A half dozen of either would have made a good pot of stew. Never knew anybody who ate the little red squirrels, but they should eat the same, just less meat for the work involved. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
supposedly, the self test is the SRS light that comes on with the ignition indicates a good air bag. Larry 91 300D On 7/2/2015 7:21 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I thought that MB recently added ten years to the original ten years of air bag life? I've got the original airbag from my '87 wagon. I need a creative way to test it, if anyone has one (and no, I won't sit on it and detonate it, need a crash test dummy or some such). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
