You were talking about gas heaters right here yesterday. That’s why. Zuck
knows, dude. He looks over your shoulder.
Why do you think they’re so pissed off about Apple’s new browser version that
will cut off their ability to scrape this sort of stuff from your computer and
phone?
-D
> On Feb
True, didn’t even think about that.
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> On Feb 15, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> You were talking about gas heaters right here yesterday. That’s why. Zuck
> knows, dude. He looks over your shoulder.
>
> Why do you think they’re so pissed off
It’s been running all day without issue. I can’t say I have noticed if it’s ran
a defrost cycle or not. I think here shortly I will go out and look at the
coils and see if they are clear or have started frosting up again.
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> On Feb 15, 2021, at 2:17 PM, Scott Ritchey via
There are two situations. Portable tanks need periodic recertification per
DOT. Not sue of exact size cutoff but tanks for 100 lb and below are certainly
in that category. The manufacture date and any subsequent recert dates are
stamped on the tank collar. Stationary tanks (maybe 250 gal
> My Sonoma has a short (6 ft) bed but there are "notches" in the bed walls
> for four 2x6 boards (the right length) that support 4x8 sheets above the
> wheel wells.
That's because it's narrow, not because it's short.
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> On Feb 15, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> That explains a lot.
>
> -D
>
>> On Feb 15, 2021, at 1:16 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>> wrote:
>>
>> In hindsight in this one really dumpy house we lived in, I’m pretty sure I
>> was
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Correct. IIRC the orifice size for propane is smaller. Not long after
we moved in I pulled one of them and somebody has welded them closed
then drilled them out to the smaller size. I also ordered a kit to
convert it with new orifices and some sort of springs and things for the
valve or
For recent systems there are two basic defrost schemes: demand defrost and
time/temp defrost.
Time/temp is cheaper and most common. The time can usually be set by jumpers
or DIP switches. If time is set to 30 min (for example) the coil temp sensor
is checked every 30 minutes and a defrost
Ugh. If you could set that thing up for lp or propane it would blow through
about 7 or 8 pounds of fuel an hour of run time. I could have sworn I suggested
enclosing a smaller space to heat and cool in your pole barn If not, well
there's a suggestion for a project for you.
Rick
It has 2 of them, one in each corner. I figure I would only run 1 at a
time.
On 2/15/2021 5:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
Ugh. If you could set that thing up for lp or propane it would blow through
about 7 or 8 pounds of fuel an hour of run time. I could have sworn I suggested
My Sonoma has a short (6 ft) bed but there are "notches" in the bed walls
for four 2x6 boards (the right length) that support 4x8 sheets above the
wheel wells.
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An empty tank could hold air, which could support combustion. Also, air
(which won't condense) would screw-up the filling process. But purging is
not a big deal (or it wasn't in the old days) as the heavier LP gas forces
air out the top. I don't know what they do now with overfill protection
We have never had to have ours certified in 17 years across 2 different
suppliers.
Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 2:13 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
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> There are two situations. Portable tanks need periodic recertification
> per DOT. Not sue
Probably, given the outside temps and state of charge, the gas pressure going
into the compressor gets too low if ice prevents the coils from absorbing
enough heat to raise the pressure (from that very cold air).
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Checked it a little while ago and the coils are clear.
On 2/15/2021 3:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin wrote:
It’s been running all day without issue. I can’t say I have noticed if it’s ran
a defrost cycle or not. I think here shortly I will go out and look at the
coils and see if they are clear or have
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Ventured out across the frozen Okie acres tundra to the shop. Pic attached of
the label on the overhead heater (there are 2). Looks like it’s a 144k btu
unit. Will one of those 100lb tanks run one of these? Probably would not run
both at the same time.
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According to that label it's set up for natural gas. You'll need to
convert it to run it on propane.
Allan
Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes:
> Ventured out across the frozen Okie acres tundra to the shop. Pic attached of
> the label on the overhead heater (there are 2). Looks like it’s a
I am not sure why this heater popped up for me in the first place.
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> On Feb 15, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> It's interesting that under this listing there are like 7 listings for
> crappy cheap BMW sh*tboxes
>
> --FT
>
>> On 2/15/21 1:25
Scott Ritchey via Mercedes writes:
> My Sonoma has a short (6 ft) bed but there are "notches" in the bed walls
> for four 2x6 boards (the right length) that support 4x8 sheets above the
> wheel wells.
My Frontier has those notches, and I never realized that was their
purpose. I always thought
At least on propane they put out 20,000 BTU more than on natural gas. Those
look like the one I had in my three car insulated garage in Wisconsin. If I
fired it up full blast it was like a sweat lodge within an hour.
-D
> On Feb 15, 2021, at 6:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
After auction fees its up to well over a grand, for this pile of crap.
Maybe I should start listing cars on Copart.
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Yeah. In an uninsulated okie barn, it would be cheaper heating with dollar
bills.
Rick
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At least on propane they put out 20,000
Re 1983 MB 300 on copart, look again it's a manual transmission grey market car!
Might be under priced
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I will be damned if it isn’t shut off again. Can say for sure about last time
but this time code is for low pressure switch open, not the same low pressure
lockout as before. Don’t see any loose or damaged wires to any pressure
switches. Jumping the pins didn’t reset it either. Guess it will be
I think you're below the temps where a ambient-air heat pump really does
anything at all. But as I said earlier I'm not speaking from experience.
I'd fire up the wood stove if it were me.
Allan
Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes:
> Just noticed outside unit was shut off again. Coils had no
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:21:45 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
wrote:
> An empty tank could hold air, which could support combustion. Also, air
> (which won't condense) would screw-up the filling process. But purging
> is not a big deal (or it wasn't in the old days) as the heavier LP gas
>
Well, with a completely serious and straight face, this cold weather is due
to [surprise!] GLOBAL WARMING (aka Climate Change)!
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On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 4:13 PM
Actually it is caused by a bifurcation of the polar vortex due to sunspots or
the lack thereof. Ocean currents, el niño, la niña and such play a role too.
Rick
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No, right on.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 8:35 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> >Clean energy can't keep up with climate change! >We need more clean
> energy!
>
> Yep. Thorium. The REAL clean energy.
> To bad most politicians in charge of such things are absolute
My shop is fully insulated
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> On Feb 15, 2021, at 8:41 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Yeah. In an uninsulated okie barn, it would be cheaper heating with dollar
> bills.
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: February 15, 2021 6:43 PM
> To:
Just noticed outside unit was shut off again. Coils had no frost on them at all
but it was in low pressure lockout. Reset it and forced a defrost away way.
It’s down to -4 at the moment. I wonder if it’s just too damn cold for it and
pressure is dropping, or if it really is low on charge. If
Sounds like the unit just kicked back on. Guess we shall see how the night
goes.
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> On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:44 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I will be damned if it isn’t shut off again. Can say for sure about last
> time but this time code is for low
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When all else fails, read the instructions? The basic setup is the same for
most heat pump systems except for details like TXV vs piston/orifice. But the
control electronics (typically on a defrost control board) can do anything,
like totally shut down below some temp. Might be worth
On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 23:58:41 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
wrote:
> All the propane powered genny sets that I've read the specs on say they
> require a liquid propane line, not the gas.
Our generator south of Calhan, Colorado, used a 15 psi vapor regulator
which then fed a demand regulator for the
Clean energy can't keep up with climate change! We need more clean energy!
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On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 8:02 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Nearly half of Texas' installed wind power generation capacity has been
> offline because
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On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 8:02 PM Buggered Benzmail via
Big thunderstorm over the vast estate right now. Pouring rain Warm front is
also sitting right on top of me. Temp is 12degF higher now than it was at 5pm
(67 v 55)
I’m happy it’s not snow!
--FT
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Yup, different orifices that will be smaller as propane has a higher BTU
content than natural gas. The springs are for the demand regulator, as they
will alter the pressure for operation on propane as well. Just unscrew the
cover, remove the old spring, pop in the new one, screw the cover back
A guy on a fakebook group says this is his car that he just took down to
copart to sell. WTF was he thinking. Anyway, guy says he is looking to
get $3500 for it. In that case, with auction fees that will put it at
around $4500.
I feel for you. Looks like we’re gonna stay on the warm side of it the rest of
the week.
--FT
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> On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> It’s currently -3 at my vast estate and supposed to get down to -12. More
> snow tomorrow.
>
> Sent
I've managed to get one wall done in mine beyond the 3/4" Cellite installed
when it was built in 1974. Still stays above freezing except when super cold,
and gets quite warm on sunny days.
I may live long enough to get it fully insulated and the windows I want to make
put in so I can see
I would guess it's pretty dangerous to operate them with unbalanced blades.
And icing will greatly reduce power output, just like airplane wings lose lift
with icing.
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On Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 7:49 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Well, with a completely serious and straight face, this cold weather is due
> to [surprise!] GLOBAL WARMING (aka Climate Change)!
>
>
>
Yeah a heat pump doesn’t have much to work with at those temps
--FT
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> On Feb 15, 2021, at 11:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I think you're below the temps where a ambient-air heat pump really does
> anything at all. But as I said earlier I'm not speaking from
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 01:14:43 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
wrote:
> At the end of the season I'll put them on the Minder for a week each.
The longer you have them on the BatteryMINDer, the more they will be
desulfated. You can leave them on indefinitely.
Craig
Sunspot 25 is starting, they're coming back! (Means skip will be increasing
so I can radio my friends down under in the mornings and evenings).
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 8:38 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> Actually it is caused by a bifurcation of the polar vortex
Nearly half of Texas' installed wind power generation capacity has been offline
because of frozen wind turbines in West Texas, according to Texas grid
operators.
>Clean energy can't keep up with climate change! >We need more clean energy!
Yep. Thorium. The REAL clean energy.
To bad most politicians in charge of such things are absolute morons,
controlled by and for lobbiests, and not the good of the citizenry.
Once in a while the politicians make a
It’s currently -3 at my vast estate and supposed to get down to -12. More snow
tomorrow.
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> On Feb 15, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Big thunderstorm over the vast estate right now. Pouring rain Warm front
> is also sitting right on top
14F right now here, just a little more snow. At least until Wednesday, when we
are supposed to get more on top of the 10 or so we just got.
I hate driving in snow, have to decide which car to take tomorrow, the Benz
with flaky injection but heat, or the Golf that runs like a top but won't warm
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 19:48:33 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
wrote:
> Well, with a completely serious and straight face, this cold weather is
> due to [surprise!] GLOBAL WARMING (aka Climate Change)!
>
>
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 02:38:09 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
wrote:
> Actually it is caused by a bifurcation of the polar vortex due to
> sunspots or the lack thereof. Ocean currents, el niño, la niña and such
> play a role too.
Quoting a Ph.D. physicist from my other list (Gordon Fulks on his
As Allen said, when there's no heat in the air, it can't pump any, and is
probably smart enough not to try. If the aux heat strips are working, then
it's doing what it's supposed to do. Leave it alone and get some sleep (if
the power stays on).
OG is threatening rolling two hour blackouts if
This is a photo of the LPG system on Big Bertha:
http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/genset/genlpg.jpg
Liquid feed from the forklift tank (striped hose) goes through a fuel filter
and electrical shutoff valve combo and then directly, via copper, into
the vaporizer. (Big round can, with
In hindsight in this one really dumpy house we lived in, I’m pretty sure I was
getting carbon monoxide poising several times from these. At the time I had no
clue was it was.
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That explains a lot.
-D
> On Feb 15, 2021, at 1:16 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> In hindsight in this one really dumpy house we lived in, I’m pretty sure I
> was getting carbon monoxide poising several times from these. At the time I
> had no clue was it was.
>
>
It's interesting that under this listing there are like 7 listings for
crappy cheap BMW sh*tboxes
--FT
On 2/15/21 1:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
That explains a lot.
-D
On Feb 15, 2021, at 1:16 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
wrote:
In hindsight in this one really dumpy house
It’s because of what you’ve been looking at. FB knows where you’ve been, and
maybe even where you’re going.
-D
> On Feb 15, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> It's interesting that under this listing there are like 7 listings for crappy
> cheap BMW sh*tboxes
>
> --FT
No real need to heat the tank unless it is too small. I don't have numbers
but a 20 lb tank from a grill is probably too small for a house-size
generator on a cold day. At church we have 4 LP gas furnaces feeding from
an above-ground tank is probably 1000 gal. (but only filled to 80%); never a
Check code with county building inspector, they will probably tell you over the
phone. My installation is a combination of flexible copper tubing (w/ brass
fittings) and iron pipe, just at the generator.
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You will always have one (or maybe two) pressure regulators between tank and
appliance.
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To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blizzard
Out here
If a big propane tank is rented and you terminate service, the LP company
usually comes and picks up and hauls off the whole tank, even part full.
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To: Mercedes Discussion
For what it's worth, around here they expect you to bring in tanks od 100 lb or
less for refill but deliver for anything bigger.
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Seems like one thing I have run into with buying a tank of Craigslist or
Fakebook is it’s hard to tell if it’s certified or whatever and if a propane
company will fill it.
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> On Feb 15, 2021, at 2:46 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> If a big propane tank is
Boy, is this thread busy! Let me try and bring some things together…
Your heaters and nearly all generator applications will run off of propane
vapor. Typically 7”-11” of water column for generators, which is equal to about
4-6 PSI. Heaters will work off of a lower pressure in most cases. Some
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> I need to shut [the pilot] off when I'm not out there, you can probably boil
> water on it.
On my old camper I usually only ran the pilot on the water heater. After some
hours
(and certainly overnight) the water was plenty hot enough just on that.
-- Jim
> It's just challenged to haul a cord of wood, or a stack of 4x8 plywood [in a
> short bed].
With the tailgate down sheet goods are just fine in a short bed. My first
truck was a
club cab with a short bed. When replaced with a standard pick-em-up, I'd found
that
I missed the extra interior
> once it gets down to a certain point there wont be enough pressure to run
> whatever heater you are trying to run.
Vapor feed is tricky. It can be a real issue when deep-frying turkeys outside.
I usually bring the BBQ tank in overnight, that seems to cure the problem. As
the propane in the
That I would believe.
-D
> On Feb 14, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
> My in-laws had a fridge/freezer they replaced last year that they claim was
> from 1967! They certainly got their value out of that machine.
>
> Apparently the replacement unit has reduced their electricity bill
A portable tank of any kind will have a date stamped in it for certification. I
believe they’re good for 10 or 12 years - it’s an industry standard. If it’s a
stationary tank you may have to get it recertified for a supplier to be willing
to service or fill it, not sure about that.
I am quite
When we bought the CPO 14ML350 we agreed on a price and had everything
nailed down. I specifically said I was not paying any paperhandling
fees, OK. So after a little while the paperwork shows up, there's the
doc fees listed on the total price calculation. I pointed this out and
the sales
Exactly. This is what I want to avoid. Sure, I know the Carvana and CarMax
people are still getting their pound of flesh, I just don’t want to deal with
the BS. If I go the used route, and I probably will, that aspect of the
transaction is amplified because there’s typically less room for
It is now -3 outside, not sure how low it got last night. Anyway, heat
pump has been running pretty much non stop for the last few days with
the aux heat kicking on occasionally. Yesterday afternoon aux heat was
on quite a bit as it never got over 4 yesterday. This morning when I
woke up
Well I went out and checked it. When I looked at in there was no frost
on the coils that I could see in the center part. I pulled the cover
and sure enough it was blinking a low pressure lockout. With the side
cover off I could see some frost on the outside of the coils, not a
whole lot
Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes:
> Is there some sort of reason at these low temps that the outside unit
> would shut itself down for a period of time then fire back up? Does
> the system determine that it is so cold outside that the outside unit
> is not producing any heat anyway and shuts
When we bought our first and only new car - a 1976 Chevette - the salesman
quoted a full price of $3624. That seemed reasonable, so we said OK. The
salesman was so stunned at our failure to bargain that he threw in a
complimentary undercoating worth $75. That car served us well without any
Don't let the tank go completely empty either, as most suppliers will not fill
it without a leak check -- for obvious reasons.
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You should have pressed for the Trucoat
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On 2/15/21 12:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
When we bought our first and only new car - a 1976 Chevette - the salesman
quoted a full price of $3624. That seemed reasonable, so we said OK. The
salesman was so stunned at our failure
I suspect there’s some truth to it.
I say that because when we moved into the former homestead there was an outdoor
kitchen with a gas oven that was supplied off a 100 pound tank on the side of
the house. I contacted the supplier on the tank to come out and top it off.
Apparently, it hadn’t
When we got our first delivery of propane here, we were told (doesn't mean
it's true) that state law requires a propane company to inspect the entire
system before dispensing propane. This is a one time thing with each
supplier you use. They started at the tank, checked for leaks with an
I have a 100gal tank only for my cooktop, so it will last a coupla years
or more. I ran it dry 2-3 yr ago and the delivery guy had to do some
elaborate pressure test for a day or two and charged me like $50 for the
privilege. He said it was state code or something to make sure the
system
We never gave him the chance to exercise his sleaze gene.
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> You should have pressed for the Trucoat
>
> --FT
>
> On 2/15/21 12:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > When we bought our first and
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