Re: [MBZ] MB 1977 300D Engine Trouble shooting
sounds like you might have lost the rings on one of the pistons. Tom Scordato wrote: Please need the groups help. Given: car has 270K miles. Valves due for adjustment but not over due. Religious filter changes, Mobil 1 Synth. Timing chain stretch unknown, I have never checked it in 100K miles (I know a no no) Was driving on interstate. Heard a sound in engine area for about 5 seconds. Imediately noticed power drop off on hills and alot more smoke from exhaust, white blueish. Once I pulled over idle was rough, allot of blue smoke. I suspect valve trouble. No bubbles in the open radiator. Car runs starts but is very rough and no power at all on hills Action items: Ordered diesel compression tester and 18mm glow plug adapter. Also will pull valve cover check for valves clearance and timing chain degrees and stretch. If a valve rod is thrown or bent I may find out by doing that. I have a feeling it might be bad, but will be hopeful Any more advise/war stories the list could share with me? Regards Tom Scordato 1979 240D 1977 300D ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 220D tranny shifter types?
kevin kraly wrote: OK W115 owners (Clay). This 1973 220D has an auto tranny with the column shifter. Could both the mannies and autos be had with a column or floor shifter? If I end up buying or hauling off the 1972 220D manny tranny car and decide to just transfer both the engine and tranny over to my auto 220D, would I also have to put in a floor shifter? What type of shifter does Gump have? Most of the manual transmissions that came to the US after about 1965 were on the floor but they were still available on the column for a while. I can't remember whether my '67 200D (W110) auto was a column or floor shift, but my '66 200D manual was a floor shift. By '74 all the W115s (auto or manual) that came to the US were on the floor. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] 85 124? Really?
John Berryman wrote: On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:39 PM, Donald Snook wrote: That makes sense. A 5 speed turbo would not do much good, would it? When you clutch and shift (and thus lose RPMs) wouldn't you lose most of the turbo boost. I guess that is why we never/rarely see a 5 sp. Turbo. Donald H. Snook Makes sense because the engine makes that much more power. The engine doesn't know or care what's behind it. There would be no noticeable loss of boost unless you're in the habit of shifting from 2nd to 5th and lugging the engine. Boost is directly related to exhaust flow, the more, the more up until the waste gate says enough. If one were to power shift there would be no loss of boost. Gears are or at least should be shifted in mere fractions of a second. I think there were more regulatory issues at hand concerning turbo/ 5spd than anything else. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am Exhaust emissions (oxides of nitrogen I believe) on a turbo with manual transmission are WAY outside almost all limits when shifting (when there is NO load on the engine for a moment). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Kevin? you need this: W115 W114
The grill right in front of the windshield. Where the wipers live. Have to remove the wiper arms, undo the five plastic holder pins and gently remove the window gasket lip to remove the screen. With a bright light, shine into the gaping cavern and use a shop vac to suck the muck out and make sure the drain holes are clear. There is a little shelf to ward water away from the fan. Use a thin straw, like from a coffee stir stick to suck a little ATF and after you blindly locate the fan and its shaft, let it leak out onto the shaft. Spin the fan to lube. I like it run for five minutes, just to be sure. On Friday, February 24, 2006, at 05:40 PM, R A Bennell wrote: What air grill are we talking about and where does one put the ATF? My blower works and I'd like to keep it that way. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of redghost Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kevin? you need this: W115 W114 Pull the air grill off and try to spin the fan from there. If it spins, you are good and may just need to put a little ATF on there to help it spin up. Check the fuses and since the hook up is on the firewall, you can jump the fan at the power port right from the battery On Friday, February 24, 2006, at 12:24 AM, kevin kraly wrote: If that blower works, could be worth hauling. Might even be nice to have alloys It MAY be a wonderful thing to have a running engine also! I'm still trying to figure out if the blower in my car actually works. I turned the three position blower knob and...nuttin! I think I'm going to check FUSES and clean the switch and see if I get any action. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 85 124? Really?
That makes sense. A 5 speed turbo would not do much good, would it? When you clutch and shift (and thus lose RPMs) wouldn't you lose most of the turbo boost. I guess that is why we never/rarely see a 5 sp. Turbo. The boost will come back. Drivability might be a bit odd with deadish times after shifting, especially if you're slow, but the turbo will still do what turbos do best. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Mechanics Competency
you are doing the labor yourself and don't have to pay for it, it might be worth trying to stretch the life of the clutch for another 10-20 or 30kmi. Usual clutch life is seldom less than 150-200kmi and I know of one (in a '62 190D) that went 500kmi. I will plan on lots of 'California stops' accordingly! The clutch is in, as is the transmission. On to the pedals! -- Jim
[MBZ] [Fwd: FW: FW: Have U ever Seen a Water Bridge????]
Ok, so sometimes German Engineering is just retarded. A water bridge over water. If they really want to be cool they need to make it a clover leaf, like the interstate system Next time you work on a 123 and you are wondering why they did something stupid keep in mind German Engineers were all raised by Socialists. Water Bridge in Germany What a feat! Six years, 500 million euros, 918 meters long...now this is engineering! This is a channel-bridge over the River Elbe and joins the former East and West Germany, as part of the unification project. It is located in the city of Magdeburg, near Berlin. The photo was taken on the day of inauguration. To those who appreciate engineering projects. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail http://pa.yahoo.com/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=38867/*http:/photomail.mail.yahoo.com to share photos without annoying attachments. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: waterbridge.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 75219 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060224/33b09c27/waterbridge.jpg
Re: [MBZ] 85 124? Really?
Jim Cathey wrote: That makes sense. A 5 speed turbo would not do much good, would it? When you clutch and shift (and thus lose RPMs) wouldn't you lose most of the turbo boost. I guess that is why we never/rarely see a 5 sp. Turbo. The boost will come back. Drivability might be a bit odd with deadish times after shifting, especially if you're slow, but the turbo will still do what turbos do best. The Mercedes turbodiesel engine does NOT mate particularly well with a manual transmission. Before the engine reaches 1600-2000 rpm, the turbo diesel engine produces very modest power and the use of a torque converter with a high stall speed (2200-2400 rpm) allows the engine to develop very high torque at slow ground speed and hence very good acceleration. A manual transmission with clutch doesn't do that so automatics are faster than manual transmissions with those engines. The automatic DOES extract a cost of poorer fuel economy, but much lower emissions. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
[MBZ] oil filter coolers
I wonder what is the efficacy of the oil filter coolers , the type that slips on the oil cooler, seems like a very small finned heat sink Any one using it? mak
Re: [MBZ] oil filter coolers
I wonder what is the efficacy of the oil filter coolers , the type that slips on the oil cooler [filter?], seems like a very small finned heat sink. Any one using it? 1: Many mercedes don't use spin-on filters. None of ours do. Dingus would have no place to go. 2: Many mercedes already have a thermostatic oil cooler system, complete with little radiator. _Way_ better than a patch. 3: Without measuring oil temperature one wouldn't even know if there was any point to an auxiliary cooler. One would also need some kind of idea what was 'too hot', and why. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] oil filter coolers
M.Afzaal Khan wrote: I wonder what is the efficacy of the oil filter coolers , the type that slips on the oil cooler, seems like a very small finned heat sink Any one using it? mak Mercedes engines that would benefit from an oil cooler circuit HAVE ONE! It will be thermostatically operated. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
[MBZ] Frankenphotos?
Any photos of Frankenheap? Dimitri '73 220D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 124? Really?
Donald Snook wrote: That makes sense. A 5 speed turbo would not do much good, would it? When you clutch and shift (and thus lose RPMs) wouldn't you lose most of the turbo boost. I guess that is why we never/rarely see a 5 sp. Turbo. I hope to have one sometime this year. The good news is that in addition to a 190E with five speed, and a wrecked 190D turbo, I also have a variable nozzle turbocharger from a E320CDI. I'm hoping there will not be much turbo lag, the turbo can just tighten up its nozzle when I lift throttle to shift.
Re: [MBZ] Mechanics Competency
--- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly, I have to agree with the comments that if we want to make sure the job done right, we have to do it ourselves. Me too. If _you_ do not do the job right it's mere incompetency, and _not_ that you didn't care enough to do a good job or that you were rushing and cut corners. And if so you'll learn how to do it better next time. I'm rapidly reaching the point where I'll do _all_ jobs except those where I just don't have the tools and can't justify buying them. Of course being unemployed certainly skews things towards baling-wire DIY jobs. -- Jim Couldn't agree more. There was a time two years ago when I didn't have time to change the oil on my 220D. I had a MB mechanic do it. Changed it myself on next oil change and found that he hadn't used a prefilter! Who knows what kind of damage my engine suffered? Ok, maybe his assistant/apprentice did it but still this is unacceptable. The guy is an old time master MB mechanic who did big jobs for me such as rebuilding my 280SL engine and has done me a lot of car favors. I couldn't muster up the nerve to tell him anything. Just to show you that you can't necessarily trust even your most trusted mechanics. Dimitri '73 220D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] RPM Redline
John Berryman wrote: The one I did is still going 7 years later in my 82 300D. You have to use a brand name butt, not a cheap generic one. Does it need to be of German manufacture? ;) Actually, I don't smoke, so I used a chunk of a styrofoam cup. Probably the styrofoam has just collapsed. I need to try again, but I can't get the @#$*$#! thing apart...must have tightened it too hard last time.
Re: [MBZ] 85 124? Really?
John Berryman wrote: There would be no noticeable loss of boost unless you're in the habit of shifting from 2nd to 5th and lugging the engine. Did you see the drag race videos from Finland? Both of the 5sp 603.95 W201s spew black clouds when they shift, the smoke clears when the engine regains boost after the shift. The puff of black smoke seems to last at least 1/2 second. When you do a 13.4 second 1/4 mile, you're shifting fast enough, but you still lose boost. (the large turbo might have something to do with it, both of the 5sp superturbos I've seen had Holset HX40s in them)
Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and their cars, was Storage liability
Hendrik Riessen wrote: Call em what you like, end of the day they are still just Toyotas with a better sound system. Oh Lord won't you buy me a Lexus just don't sound right does it? From what I hear, the main appeal is that the Lexus dealerships treat you like absolute royalty, both during and after the sale.
Re: [MBZ] oil filter coolers
M.Afzaal Khan wrote: I wonder what is the efficacy of the oil filter coolers , the type that slips on the oil cooler, seems like a very small finned heat sink Count me as a skeptic. The area looks way too small to provide much cooling.
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
More digging tonight and prodding produced this. I could stick my hand down and use my thumb to move what's left of rod #1 = around on the crankshaft. So, I spun it around to where the rod broke off = and took a picture. Follow the screw driver down into the block, and = you'll see a small shiny spot which is where the rod should be Then I fished the loose chunk of block out, and more pictures On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:27:25 -0600, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = wrote: I found an issue. First, I removed the oil filter and ran the car about 5 seconds (per Johnny B's instruction) and no oil filled into the canister. Next, I (with out jacking the car up) drained the oil and removed the bottom oil pan. I fiddled with the oil pump chain, seemed tight enough, could only pull it 1/16 away from the sprocket. This was all while laying from under the front right of the engine. Next, I came in from = the left so I could see the torsion spring and clamp, they were tight. Then = I glanced up...and saw a hole.seems the a/c mounting flange has broken away from the top part of the oil pan. See attached pictures. Excuse the camera, this was 1 handed shooting, in night mode, with the trouble light held under the oil pan opening. On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:35:56 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm convinced it's something attached to the engine - NOT in the engine. Maybe the flex plate on the flywheel, the crank damper, the vacuum pump, some belt driven accessory or a collapsed mount allowing something to hit or flail about. NOT a bearing, rod, piston, valve, etc. PLEASE be sure to tell us what it is if you ever find it!! Marshall -- = Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: RodRemains.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 383135 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060= 224/78f71bee/RodRemains.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: blockChunk1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 292626 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060= 224/78f71bee/blockChunk1.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: blockChunk2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 237989 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060= 224/78f71bee/blockChunk2.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: blockChunk3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 285152 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060= 224/78f71bee/blockChunk3.jpg
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
Since its toast anyways, fire that thing up and run it till it completely blows up. Be sure to tape it so we can see. I did that once to a 240D engine that was going bad. It went out quite spectacularly. Luther Gulseth wrote: More digging tonight and prodding produced this. I could stick my hand down and use my thumb to move what's left of rod #1 around on the crankshaft. So, I spun it around to where the rod broke off and took a picture. Follow the screw driver down into the block, and you'll see a small shiny spot which is where the rod should be Then I fished the loose chunk of block out, and more pictures On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:27:25 -0600, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found an issue. First, I removed the oil filter and ran the car about 5 seconds (per Johnny B's instruction) and no oil filled into the canister. Next, I (with out jacking the car up) drained the oil and removed the bottom oil pan. I fiddled with the oil pump chain, seemed tight enough, could only pull it 1/16 away from the sprocket. This was all while laying from under the front right of the engine. Next, I came in from the left so I could see the torsion spring and clamp, they were tight. Then I glanced up...and saw a hole.seems the a/c mounting flange has broken away from the top part of the oil pan. See attached pictures. Excuse the camera, this was 1 handed shooting, in night mode, with the trouble light held under the oil pan opening. On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:35:56 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm convinced it's something attached to the engine - NOT in the engine. Maybe the flex plate on the flywheel, the crank damper, the vacuum pump, some belt driven accessory or a collapsed mount allowing something to hit or flail about. NOT a bearing, rod, piston, valve, etc. PLEASE be sure to tell us what it is if you ever find it!! Marshall -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
That would ruin the possible experience of rebuilding it. That's no fun! On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:37:44 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since its toast anyways, fire that thing up and run it till it completely blows up. Be sure to tape it so we can see. I did that once to a 240D engine that was going bad. It went out quite spectacularly. Luther Gulseth wrote: -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 08:53:19PM -0600, Luther Gulseth wrote: That would ruin the possible experience of rebuilding it. That's no fun! It is probably not wise to rebuild something with a hole in the side of the block. There are too many reasons to list. You'd be better off trying to salvage the head, and take kaleb's wagon short block as a rebuilder. K
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
That's what I'd like to do, but have a question or 2. I do not have an engine stand to put it on at first, nor do I have a place to keep the engine somewhat dry. So I'm thinking that I can remove all the accessories from the engine then strip it down to the block. But my main question is, how hard is it to remove just the block from the engine once the head is off? Does it really weigh that much? Are there places to hook onto the block once the head is removed? I'm curious about the best way to do this without a garage/work shop. Any BTDT's or advise from the wise? On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:58:11 -0600, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 08:53:19PM -0600, Luther Gulseth wrote: That would ruin the possible experience of rebuilding it. That's no fun! It is probably not wise to rebuild something with a hole in the side of the block. There are too many reasons to list. You'd be better off trying to salvage the head, and take kaleb's wagon short block as a rebuilder. K -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
It is probably not wise to rebuild something with a hole in the side of the block. There are too many reasons to list. You'd be better off trying to salvage the head, and take kaleb's wagon short block as a rebuilder. Well I bought a tiller that I didn't know had thrown the rod. Paid way too much for it, in fact, but who knew? (I should have, and you really need to be careful at a liquidation outlet.) Anyway, $20 for a new rod and some work, especially aluminum welding to weld the block back together, and we've been tilling the garden with it for a couple of years now. So, I guess what I'm saying is maybe it _can_ be done, but whether or not you should do it is another story. If it were mine I'd be tempted to give it a shot. I've got five extra rods down in Smelly. Think how cool it would be if it worked! So your engine lost oil pressure, seized a rod bearing and then threw that one. The others are probably scored/shot. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Frankenphotos?
Feast your eyes on this beauty, if you dare: http://cathey.dogear.com/frankenheap.html But beware it doesn't inspire you to similar feats of greatness. (Pronounced: idiocy.) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] MB 1977 300D Engine Trouble shooting
If the chain jumped a tooth, the valves willbe hitting the pistons - there will be no doubt. On 2/24/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bet your chain jumped a tooth -- check the timing AT ONCE. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] 85 124? Really?
Turbo diesel motors have a type of powerband, usally from about 1500rpm's onwards there is enough boost to make the mill spin nicely. Most 4x4 turbo diesels are manual, as well most trucks are manual. Even a naturaly aspirated diesel motor will not pull that well at low revs. One question though, does the auto box in a MB turbo diesel have a different shift delay as compared to other engined Mercs? My 230E always seems to shift at relatively low revs. Hendrik who spotted a 190D in the paper today - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: [MBZ] 85 124? Really? Marshall wrote: Sort of like comparing a 190D 2.5, 5 speed with a 190D 2.5 turbo auto. The turbo blows it away - despite the automatic. That makes sense. A 5 speed turbo would not do much good, would it? When you clutch and shift (and thus lose RPMs) wouldn't you lose most of the turbo boost. I guess that is why we never/rarely see a 5 sp. Turbo. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/268 - Release Date: 23/02/2006
Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and their cars, was Storage liability
So they should, it will be like a second home:-) Hendrik who doesn't remember what the inside of the local stealership looks like, I do seem to remember that they had some of those yuppie toys like golf balls with the MB logo - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and their cars, was Storage liability Hendrik Riessen wrote: Call em what you like, end of the day they are still just Toyotas with a better sound system. Oh Lord won't you buy me a Lexus just don't sound right does it? From what I hear, the main appeal is that the Lexus dealerships treat you like absolute royalty, both during and after the sale. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/268 - Release Date: 23/02/2006
Re: [MBZ] Frankenphotos?
So you have to tie a bottle Mobil 1 around it's hood ornament in order to get the other cars to play with it? Hendrik with a very beautiful 123 (well I think so anyway) - Original Message - From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Frankenphotos? Feast your eyes on this beauty, if you dare: http://cathey.dogear.com/frankenheap.html On 2/24/06, Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any photos of Frankenheap? Dimitri '73 220D Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (210k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/268 - Release Date: 23/02/2006
Re: [MBZ] RPM Redline
On Feb 24, 2006, at 9:13 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: Actually, I don't smoke, so I used a chunk of a styrofoam cup. Probably the styrofoam has just collapsed. I need to try again, but I can't get the @#$*$#! thing apart...must have tightened it too hard last time. That styrofoam'll kill you. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
On Feb 24, 2006, at 8:15 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: More digging tonight and prodding produced this. I could stick my hand down and use my thumb to move what's left of rod #1 around on the crankshaft. So, I spun it around to where the rod broke off and took a picture. Follow the screw driver down into the block, and you'll see a small shiny spot which is where the rod should be Then I fished the loose chunk of block out, and more pictures I think that might qualify as blowed-up. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
I'm rebuilding a 117 engine in the drive in front of what used to be the garage - now another room of the house. I did buy a cheap engine lift. It's very handy for lifting, turning, etc. the engine while you're working on it. You can attach a chain to any suitably large bolt on the block - for more turning around, etc. Get a tarp (I'm using Vietnam era poncho to cover it) to cover it. No guts, no glory! On 2/24/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what I'd like to do, but have a question or 2. I do not have an engine stand to put it on at first, nor do I have a place to keep the engine somewhat dry. So I'm thinking that I can remove all the accessories from the engine then strip it down to the block. But my main question is, how hard is it to remove just the block from the engine once the head is off? Does it really weigh that much? Are there places to hook onto the block once the head is removed? I'm curious about the best way to do this without a garage/work shop. Any BTDT's or advise from the wise? On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:58:11 -0600, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 08:53:19PM -0600, Luther Gulseth wrote: That would ruin the possible experience of rebuilding it. That's no fun! It is probably not wise to rebuild something with a hole in the side of the block. There are too many reasons to list. You'd be better off trying to salvage the head, and take kaleb's wagon short block as a rebuilder. K -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] 85 124? Really?
Hendrik Riessen wrote: Turbo diesel motors have a type of powerband, usally from about 1500rpm's onwards there is enough boost to make the mill spin nicely. Most 4x4 turbo diesels are manual, as well most trucks are manual. Even a naturaly aspirated diesel motor will not pull that well at low revs. One question though, does the auto box in a MB turbo diesel have a different shift delay as compared to other engined Mercs? My 230E always seems to shift at relatively low revs. The shift rpm is modulated by the position of the accelerator pedal/linkage in 722.3/4 and later transmissions (nor entirely sure what happens in some of the earlier ones some are similar - some aren't). It took Mercedes from 1978 until 1985 to optimize the turbodiesel and the transmission/torque converter for optimal/smooth automobile performance. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
OUTSIDE On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:36:51 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm rebuilding a 117 engine in the drive in front of what used to be the garage - now another room of the house. I did buy a cheap engine lift. It's very handy for lifting, turning, etc. the engine while you're working on it. You can attach a chain to any suitably large bolt on the block - for more turning around, etc. Get a tarp (I'm using Vietnam era poncho to cover it) to cover it. No guts, no glory! -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
Ya think? But yet it ran so smoothly on 4 cyl. Didn't you think so? On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:35:24 -0600, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 24, 2006, at 8:15 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: More digging tonight and prodding produced this. I could stick my hand down and use my thumb to move what's left of rod #1 around on the crankshaft. So, I spun it around to where the rod broke off and took a picture. Follow the screw driver down into the block, and you'll see a small shiny spot which is where the rod should be Then I fished the loose chunk of block out, and more pictures I think that might qualify as blowed-up. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] Frankenphotos?
I disagree. I am greatly inspired. Will go full force on my 220D trunk floor project tomorrow. I love the gray with red interior, Frankenclassy! Have you buffed out that paint job yet? -Dimitri --- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But beware it doesn't inspire you to similar feats of greatness. (Pronounced: idiocy.) -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
Yup! Just cover it up between sessions. OK - the parts went inside - I don't leave them all spread out in the drive. http://pages.sbcglobal.net/danorris/450slc.htm The engine is sitting on the bottom of what was supposed to be an engine stand (a freind built it in a shop class) - it MIGHT hold a VW engine, thoughI think even that would bend it. A 3 cyl. Saab is more it's speed. It served as a rolling pallet. The engine is now sitting on the legs of the engine lift, with the tranny attached. It's scheduled to go into the car next weekend. On 2/24/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OUTSIDE -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] Frankenphotos?
I'm actually really impressed with your work on the 200D - I had a 240D with many fewer problems, but I sold it because of rust cancer and an odd sound from the differential. If I had a garage and more time, I might have held on to it. It was reed green with green MB-Tex interior. On 2/24/06, Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. I am greatly inspired. Will go full force on my 220D trunk floor project tomorrow. I love the gray with red interior, Frankenclassy! Have you buffed out that paint job yet? -Dimitri --- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But beware it doesn't inspire you to similar feats of greatness. (Pronounced: idiocy.) -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] OT: VW Eurovan opinions
not sure about the tdi version, but someone I know that has the 4 motion with V6 said they are good vans. He uses his for camping 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:43:21 -0500 Subject: [MBZ] OT: VW Eurovan opinions Anyone have/had one of these? How are they? Is the TDI an option? Think of replacing a Dodge Caravan. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenphotos?
So you have to tie a bottle Mobil 1 around its hood ornament in order to get the other cars to play with it? I don't think even that would do it. Mobil 1? That car's never even seen the stuff, nor will it in all probability. I had it for nearly a year before I even changed the 10yo sludge that came in it. Come to think of it it's been nearly another year, perhaps it's time to change it again. Delo 400, like everything else here. I love the gray with red interior, Frankenclassy! Have you buffed out that paint job yet? Red and black interior. It has grown on me. Buff? I'd be afraid to, I doubt there's much underneath to expose! Except the big dents. The dull exterior helps mute those. For optimum car beauty don't let neighborhood kids jump on your car. The natural primer-gray exterior is handy for those occasional touch-ups. I'm actually really impressed with your work on the 200D - I had a 240D with many fewer problems, but I sold it because of rust cancer and an odd sound from the differential. If I had a garage and more time, I might have held on to it. It was reed green with green MB-Tex interior. All the Frankenheap's work has been done outside. I think it has spent exactly _one_ night inside the garage, and that was only because I'd rearranged things so that I could get four cars inside, preparatory to starting on the 190D. It is, almost by definition, the un-garaged car. There I was with a new welder, a $100 rusty car that I was growing fond of driving, and a pile of dead microwave ovens. What to do, what to do...? It has been a rolling reclamation, it's only been down for a few days, and that IIRC was due to an unexpected problem with a broken brake caliper. All the welding was done in the morning before work. I'd jack it up, weld a bit, then lower it and get ready to take it in to work. -- Jim
[MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
Okay, why didn't anyone tell me there's no cigarette lighter in these things? this means no cel phone plug. Brian 83 240D _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[MBZ] Hello from North Platte
Went beyond Denver to North Platte Nebraska. Sick of driving. 240 still functioning great, although while stuck in nasty Colorodo Springs traffic, I noticed a faint scraping sound when I'd let out the clutch to start off in first. Any ideas? Brian 83 240D _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
Have you opened your ash tray yet? It should reside just forward of your shifter. On 2/24/06, Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, why didn't anyone tell me there's no cigarette lighter in these things? this means no cel phone plug. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (210k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
Okay, why didn't anyone tell me there's no cigarette lighter in these things? this means no cel phone plug. Huh? Ashtray has one. In a 126, both rear ashtrays have them too. Handy for plugging in a travel cooler. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
Yup. I looked in the ash tray a couple times - didn't see a lighter. I really did look. I've been known to miss things though. Will try again in morning. Brian From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter? Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:35:03 -0800 Have you opened your ash tray yet? It should reside just forward of your shifter. On 2/24/06, Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, why didn't anyone tell me there's no cigarette lighter in these things? this means no cel phone plug. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (210k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: [MBZ] Hello from Santa Fe
To answer your question: I suppose I'll drive with the ripped boot as long as I can. I'm hoping that will be a bit longer than this trip. No noises yet. I packed both ripped boots (trying to get it up toward the joint) with grease, then wrapped them to try and keep as much grease in the vicinity as possible. I was told by my brother that I'm wasting my time - the grease will all just fly out, and I should just leave it alone and drive (so less dirt would be attracted), but I thought the more grease placed in there, the better. Thoughts? I will try to be creative later, once home. I am thinking of sewing them up with fishing line, then gluing the seam with gorilla glue. I know - generic - but may as well shoot for the money savings. Brian 83 240D From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hello from Santa Fe Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:36:57 -0500 On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Brian Chase wrote: We got, if I recall, some 34.6 MPG over some hilly terrain, 34.6mpg? You should have no problem selling it on e-bay with that kind of fuel mileage. Are you sure you figgered that correctly? How far are you planning to go with the ripped boot? Mine lasted several thousand miles. The CV-joint is shot but it still moves the car at highway speeds. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
[MBZ] Morning sluggishness
Here's a topic you old timers can relate to: Is it common for these diesels to be sluggish when cold? This morning it seemed the thing was less peppy than the night before (insert your quips here). Was almost scarry trying to take off in traffic - I think it was almost floor-boarded and I barely got rolling. Things returned to somewhat normal after warming up to normal temp. And after tearing down the freeway for numerous miles, peppiness galore. There is no smoking, no signs of ill health otherwise. Brian 83 240D _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon
rescue this decent looking 240D in Mosier, Oregon. Where the heck is Mosier at? This car sounds like it needs some fresh fuel, a couple cans of DP and some new fuel filters. It also NEEDS to be in my driveway! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D
Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon
Where the heck is Mosier at? A few miles East of Hood River in the gorge. It is also tempting to me, but I would be politically ill-advised to pursue it! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Morning sluggishness
Is it common for these diesels to be sluggish when cold? Yes. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Hello from Santa Fe
I will try to be creative later, once home. I am thinking of sewing them up with fishing line, then gluing the seam with gorilla glue. I know - generic - but may as well shoot for the money savings. 1) You can buy split boots at auto parts stores for about $15/boot, they ought to last at least as well as chewing-gum measures. 2) Shoe Goo, not Gorilla glue. It's flexible. 3) $12 used axle from the U-Pull. Might last the life of the car. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
Yup. I looked in the ash tray a couple times - didn't see a lighter. I really did look. I've been known to miss things though. Will try again in morning. Lighter may be lost, they often are. But there should be a nice round hole where it used to live, into which you can plug your phone. It should be lit when the tray's open, but the bulb is often burnt out. -- Jim
[MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Was looking at the motor mounts - what little I could see of them at least -
and was wondering how to tell if they're going/gone bad?
TIA -
Sincerely,
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Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
uhhh dude, I think yours is beyond that possibility Luther Gulseth wrote: That would ruin the possible experience of rebuilding it. That's no fun! On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:37:44 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since its toast anyways, fire that thing up and run it till it completely blows up. Be sure to tape it so we can see. I did that once to a 240D engine that was going bad. It went out quite spectacularly. Luther Gulseth wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
yea, it really weighs that much. You dont pull the head off then pull the rest of it, you pull the complete engine/tranny package, seperate the tranny, the pull your head and all that. You can do it without a stand but why? They are cheap at harbor freight or other places. Luther Gulseth wrote: That's what I'd like to do, but have a question or 2. I do not have an engine stand to put it on at first, nor do I have a place to keep the engine somewhat dry. So I'm thinking that I can remove all the accessories from the engine then strip it down to the block. But my main question is, how hard is it to remove just the block from the engine once the head is off? Does it really weigh that much? Are there places to hook onto the block once the head is removed? I'm curious about the best way to do this without a garage/work shop. Any BTDT's or advise from the wise? On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:58:11 -0600, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 08:53:19PM -0600, Luther Gulseth wrote: That would ruin the possible experience of rebuilding it. That's no fun! It is probably not wise to rebuild something with a hole in the side of the block. There are too many reasons to list. You'd be better off trying to salvage the head, and take kaleb's wagon short block as a rebuilder. K -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
There is, its in the ashtray. Brian Chase wrote: Okay, why didn't anyone tell me there's no cigarette lighter in these things? this means no cel phone plug. Brian 83 240D _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
did you see a hole for one? Brian Chase wrote: Yup. I looked in the ash tray a couple times - didn't see a lighter. I really did look. I've been known to miss things though. Will try again in morning. Brian From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter? Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:35:03 -0800 Have you opened your ash tray yet? It should reside just forward of your shifter. On 2/24/06, Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, why didn't anyone tell me there's no cigarette lighter in these things? this means no cel phone plug. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (210k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Hello from Santa Fe
On Feb 25, 2006, at 1:23 AM, Brian Chase wrote: AAaak. I found out it was 32.6 MPG. I'm still pretty happy - especially considering the terrain and the luggage/tools/supplies. Brian Still very good mpg. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Hello from Santa Fe
On Feb 25, 2006, at 2:05 AM, Brian Chase wrote: I will try to be creative later, once home. I am thinking of sewing them up with fishing line, then gluing the seam with gorilla glue. I know - generic - but may as well shoot for the money savings. Brian 83 240D Quick Boots work OK + no need to pull the axle if you go that way. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Morning sluggishness
On Feb 25, 2006, at 2:11 AM, Brian Chase wrote: Is it common for these diesels to be sluggish when cold? This morning it seemed the thing was less peppy than the night before (insert your quips here). Was almost scarry trying to take off in traffic - I think it was almost floor-boarded and I barely got rolling. Things returned to somewhat normal after warming up to normal temp. And after tearing down the freeway for numerous miles, peppiness galore. There is no smoking, no signs of ill health otherwise. Brian 83 240D Perfectly normal. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
Didn't see a hole - just what looked like a three prong outlet type array of slits (on left side). Will look this morn. Brian From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter? Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:23:34 -0800 Yup. I looked in the ash tray a couple times - didn't see a lighter. I really did look. I've been known to miss things though. Will try again in morning. Lighter may be lost, they often are. But there should be a nice round hole where it used to live, into which you can plug your phone. It should be lit when the tray's open, but the bulb is often burnt out. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
[MBZ] Isolating small oil leak around radiator
Friends, my 300D came out of winter hibernation for a day yesterday and I noticed a small drip of oil (not trans fluid) from the bottom driver's side of the Behr radiator. It is very hard to see the origin of the drip- as chasing oil that is falling by gravity and wind is never easy. Here is my question for the savants of this group. What are likely places for this leak on that side of the radiator or nearby so that I can clean things and see where this is coming from? As a side note, one month of sitting in 10-40 degree temps here in Rhode Island and the MB fired after one glow and first compression turnover. I have had gas cars that won't start if left for 2 weeks. John Peterson Kingston RI 1991 300D 2.5 77k miles
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Larry, the easiest way to tell on a 2.5 is to check if there is any
vibration at idle in the wheel - along with a shake a shutdown. Dwight
Giles, a fellow lister and neighbor has a 1990 with 130k miles and I have a
1991 with 77k. His had vibration at idle and a harsh shutdown. Changing
the mounts out made a HUGE difference- to the point that there is no shutoff
vibration at all, and it would be nearly impossible to tell you're in a
diesel at idle.
My experience and in talking with others is that the mounts tend to last
about 80-100k miles. Unless they actually separate, however, you won't
notice striking symptoms, just a degradation. The 2.5 with working mounts
should feel, in terms of vibration, very much like a 4cyl gasser. At least
Dwight's does!
Hope this helps something.
PS, changing them is a breeze. I have the procedure in pdf if you need it.
John Peterson
Kingston RI
300D 2.5 77k
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Subject: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Was looking at the motor mounts - what little I could see of them at
least -
and was wondering how to tell if they're going/gone bad?
TIA -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
Didn't see a hole - just what looked like a three prong outlet type array of slits (on left side). Will look this morn. That sounds odd. You _do_ have a pull-out ashtray, right? With a light that illuminates the interior when it's out? It pulls out of a little metal frame, on the side of which is an arced wiper for the sliding contact of the tray proper. (And from which both the socket and the bulb feed.) The frame itself plugs into a 2-pin connector that is normally completely hidden. The round hole, on the left, is right next to where you stuff the butts. Is it possible that somebody stuffed something into the lighter's hole? A power adapter, or perhaps the remnants of one? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Hello from North Platte
Are you taking I-80 thru Iowa? Several of us live around it. On 2/25/06, Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Went beyond Denver to North Platte Nebraska. Sick of driving. 240 still functioning great, although while stuck in nasty Colorodo Springs traffic, I noticed a faint scraping sound when I'd let out the clutch to start off in first. Any ideas? Brian 83 240D _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
I had the motor mounts changed just before i bought it. I test drove it
before the change, and (of course) after the change - makes a big difference
in shutdown and idle. Car now shuts down like a gasser.
On 2/25/06, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Larry, the easiest way to tell on a 2.5 is to check if there is any
vibration at idle in the wheel - along with a shake a shutdown. Dwight
Giles, a fellow lister and neighbor has a 1990 with 130k miles and I have
a
1991 with 77k. His had vibration at idle and a harsh shutdown. Changing
the mounts out made a HUGE difference- to the point that there is no
shutoff
vibration at all, and it would be nearly impossible to tell you're in a
diesel at idle.
My experience and in talking with others is that the mounts tend to last
about 80-100k miles. Unless they actually separate, however, you won't
notice striking symptoms, just a degradation. The 2.5 with working mounts
should feel, in terms of vibration, very much like a 4cyl gasser. At
least
Dwight's does!
Hope this helps something.
PS, changing them is a breeze. I have the procedure in pdf if you need
it.
John Peterson
Kingston RI
300D 2.5 77k
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Subject: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Was looking at the motor mounts - what little I could see of them at
least -
and was wondering how to tell if they're going/gone bad?
TIA -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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[MBZ] OT: SnapOn warranty
This has some MB content... Last night I was torquing the prechambers into my new #22 head, and on the very last collar my 20yr old SnapOn torque wrench's internal ratchet decided to let go. I smashed the nail on my pinky-finger, and will probably lose it in time--yes, it hurts. My question is regarding how SnapOn honors its tool warranty. Can I just grab any SnapOn truck and request service, or what? Or, do I need to handle this directly with SnapOn HQ? TIA -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (210k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
Re: [MBZ] OT: SnapOn warranty
On Feb 25, 2006, at 11:10 AM, Zeitgeist wrote: My question is regarding how SnapOn honors its tool warranty. Can I just grab any SnapOn truck and request service, or what? Or, do I need to handle this directly with SnapOn HQ? TIA -- Casey Unusual for one to fail, may just have gummed up inside. I regularly soak all my ratchets in oil, including all my Snap-On ratcheting torque wrenches. Any Snap-On distributor can handle the repair/replacement. In general, when a Snap-On ratchet fails, you get a repair kit containing all the parts needed to repair the mechanism. Re- calibrating a torque wrench can seem pricey but accuracy is very important. I have mine re-calibrated when needed. Most Snap-On guys have a test rig that shows actual torque applied, the reading is compared to the reading or setting of your tool. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
That is my take- with new mounts there is no shutdown shake -- mine, with
77k, has shake. Dwights, with new mounts, no shake at all- idle or
shutdown. Amazing mounts, like shocks, really.
- Original Message -
From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
I had the motor mounts changed just before i bought it. I test drove it
before the change, and (of course) after the change - makes a big
difference
in shutdown and idle. Car now shuts down like a gasser.
On 2/25/06, John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Larry, the easiest way to tell on a 2.5 is to check if there is any
vibration at idle in the wheel - along with a shake a shutdown. Dwight
Giles, a fellow lister and neighbor has a 1990 with 130k miles and I have
a
1991 with 77k. His had vibration at idle and a harsh shutdown. Changing
the mounts out made a HUGE difference- to the point that there is no
shutoff
vibration at all, and it would be nearly impossible to tell you're in a
diesel at idle.
My experience and in talking with others is that the mounts tend to last
about 80-100k miles. Unless they actually separate, however, you won't
notice striking symptoms, just a degradation. The 2.5 with working
mounts
should feel, in terms of vibration, very much like a 4cyl gasser. At
least
Dwight's does!
Hope this helps something.
PS, changing them is a breeze. I have the procedure in pdf if you need
it.
John Peterson
Kingston RI
300D 2.5 77k
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Subject: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Was looking at the motor mounts - what little I could see of them at
least -
and was wondering how to tell if they're going/gone bad?
TIA -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: SnapOn warranty
busting knuckels is a common occurrence among ppl who dont repair cars for a living remember... the way you use ANY ratchet ,wrench ect is to use the open palm method place the meat of the palm of the hand ( the area below the thumb) as the pressure point not the palm ( less muscle padding ) and yeas snap on will honor the tool guarantee find a truck or call and locate a dealer near you and set up an am exchange date when using a torque wrench set it to the proper torque setting, tighten gradually ,slowly until it clicks the point here is don not pulse it use a sl twisting method only and when you finish using the torque wrench wind it all the way down to the zero adjustment setting collins 1985 500 sec phila pa This has some MB content... Last night I was torquing the prechambers into my new #22 head, and on the very last collar my 20yr old SnapOn torque wrench's internal ratchet decided to let go. I smashed the nail on my pinky-finger, and will probably lose it in time--yes, it hurts. My question is regarding how SnapOn honors its tool warranty. Can I just grab any SnapOn truck and request service, or what? Or, do I need to handle this directly with SnapOn HQ? TIA -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (210k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
Brian Chase wrote: Okay, why didn't anyone tell me there's no cigarette lighter in these things? this means no cel phone plug. The lighter plug is INSIDE the ashtray. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] OT: SnapOn warranty
One of the reasons I like an old fashion beam torque wrench is that it will not go out of calibration, regardless of abuse, assuming that you have not removed stock from the beam. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 1987 300SDL 239KMI 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 190Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convert able, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! On Feb 25, 2006, at 11:10 AM, Zeitgeist wrote: My question is regarding how SnapOn honors its tool warranty. Can I just grab any SnapOn truck and request service, or what? Or, do I need to handle this directly with SnapOn HQ? TIA -- Casey Unusual for one to fail, may just have gummed up inside. I regularly soak all my ratchets in oil, including all my Snap-On ratcheting torque wrenches. Any Snap-On distributor can handle the repair/replacement. In general, when a Snap-On ratchet fails, you get a repair kit containing all the parts needed to repair the mechanism. Re- calibrating a torque wrench can seem pricey but accuracy is very important. I have mine re-calibrated when needed. Most Snap-On guys have a test rig that shows actual torque applied, the reading is compared to the reading or setting of your tool. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT: SnapOn warranty
My question is regarding how SnapOn honors its tool warranty. Can I just grab any SnapOn truck and request service, or what? Or, do I need to handle this directly with SnapOn HQ? A friend gave me a broken ratchet wrench from her storage shed. It was Snap-On, and I dropped it off at a local mechanic's shop for them to give to the Snappy man the next time he called. I picked it up later in the week. Any truck will honor the warrantee. That's what you're paying for, actually. They had a new guts kit to drop into the handle. It's my best wrench, and I beat on it mercilessly, often breaking things loose via it and my BFH. One of the reasons I like an old fashion beam torque wrench is that it will not go out of calibration, regardless of abuse, assuming that you have not removed stock from the beam. For this reason I prefer my beam torque wrench. It should last 'forever'. It's also interesting to watch the torque creep down with it. You can be twisting a bolt and reach the torque, but if you hold it in position it'll often creep downwards. I just hold the torque until the wrench stops moving, sometimes that can take several seconds. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Morning sluggishness
Brian Chase wrote: Here's a topic you old timers can relate to: Is it common for these diesels to be sluggish when cold? This morning it seemed the thing was less peppy than the night before (insert your quips here). Was almost scarry trying to take off in traffic - I think it was almost floor-boarded and I barely got rolling. Things returned to somewhat normal after warming up to normal temp. And after tearing down the freeway for numerous miles, peppiness galore. There is no smoking, no signs of ill health otherwise. When the engine is cold, power IS down for a variety of reasons and fuel consumption WILL be high. The fuel does not finish burning quickly enough to contribute optimally to developing power. If the one or more valves are tight, that will make this MUCH worse (when was valve adjustment checked?). As the engine warms, the valve tightness (and the resulting lower compression) disappears. Chain stretch will contribute to this lowered power as well but is not usually the major factor. When were the fuel and air filters changed? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
[MBZ] idle speed to low?
My E300D idles at ~600 RPM and this seems a little low. Annoying vibration that smoothens out at ~700 RPM, but I can't get there. What is the normal RPM ? I understand there is something but don't know where that changes the idle speed when unplugged. I am a total idiot when it comes to the 124's. Thanks for any pointers. -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was looking at the motor mounts - what little I could see of them at least - and was wondering how to tell if they're going/gone bad? MEASURE them. There are notches on either side of the bottom of the mount. http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/A700029776FEB.JPG That space to the chassis must be 1/2 (actually 13 mm) or the mount has collapsed and mus be replaced. Mercedes even diagrams a tool for measuring this in the additions to the engine manual. See last couple of page of: http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/Engine/602_603/Prog_Repairs/mech5.pdf Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
[MBZ] Ratchet lube
John Berryman wrote: Unusual for one to fail, may just have gummed up inside. I regularly soak all my ratchets in oil, including all my Snap-On ratcheting torque wrenches. This brings up a question I've been meaning to ask for a while now. I've got a 1/2 Craftsman ratchet which is older than I am and has an oil port on the end. I'm sure it has never been serviced. Is there any particular oil I should use? Thanks, Tom
[MBZ] MB Service Times for Jobs
About a year ago or so someone had a link to a program that gave Mercedes Service times to various maintenance and repair jobs for many different models. Anyone have that? thanks Regards Tom Scordato 1977300D 1979 240D
Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
Given how much Germans smoke, they should have them on the dash, and the sun visor, and the steering wheel, and on the seat between your legs, and in all the headrests, and probably a few outside the car as a courtesy to pedestrians. -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300 On 2/25/06, Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, why didn't anyone tell me there's no cigarette lighter in these things? this means no cel phone plug. Brian 83 240D _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Lighter?
The same logic should apply to cup holders, as well. On 2/25/06, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how much Germans smoke, they should have them on the dash, and the sun visor, and the steering wheel, and on the seat between your legs, and in all the headrests, and probably a few outside the car as a courtesy to pedestrians. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (210k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon
Kevin, Mapquest.com says that you are 86 miles away from Mosier. It's a nice day for a cruise in a mercedes anyway. and check it out I'd buy it myself, but hubby would (verbally) spank me, and we don't have anymore garage space Lynn in WA (doesn't like verbal spankings)
Re: [MBZ] Ratchet lube
This brings up a question I've been meaning to ask for a while now. I've got a 1/2 Craftsman ratchet which is older than I am and has an oil port on the end. I'm sure it has never been serviced. Is there any particular oil I should use? I use ATF in a pump dispenser for generic oiling like that. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
What about dew? In this area the humidity will stay from 60-100% from now until the middle of July. Hoist http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44006 Engine stand 750lb http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=32915 Engine stand 1000lb http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=32916 Will that hoist work with a sturdy tree? :) Which stand will do the job the best? Luther On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:24:53 -0600, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious about the best way to do this without a garage/work shop. Any BTDT's or advice from the wise? It can be done outside, you'll want to tarp it up good to protect it on rainy or dusty days. Except for the cold, winter/early spring is a pretty good time to be doing this. Less dust. You'll really want an engine stand if you're going to do any serious work on the engine outside the car, Harbor Freight has them on sale periodically at $39. And some sort of lift to pull out the engine/tranny. They sell engine cranes, but as I mentioned before all you really need is a stout skyhook to which you mount a chain hoist. -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Hi John,
Thanks for the explanation! Also, the lifespan you mention puts me right at
the upper end (just turned 100k yesterday) - so I need to be vigilent.
*Unless* they were changed by a PO. I will talk to the previous owner next
week (or try to) but it being an Oil Co. I may have trouble finding the
person with knowledge of the maintanence done. But it's worth a try.
Yes., please send the .pdf file. If I don't need it now, I'll need it
later. ;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Larry, the easiest way to tell on a 2.5 is to check if there is any
vibration at idle in the wheel - along with a shake a shutdown. Dwight
Giles, a fellow lister and neighbor has a 1990 with 130k miles and I have
a
1991 with 77k. His had vibration at idle and a harsh shutdown. Changing
the mounts out made a HUGE difference- to the point that there is no
shutoff
vibration at all, and it would be nearly impossible to tell you're in a
diesel at idle.
My experience and in talking with others is that the mounts tend to last
about 80-100k miles. Unless they actually separate, however, you won't
notice striking symptoms, just a degradation. The 2.5 with working mounts
should feel, in terms of vibration, very much like a 4cyl gasser. At
least
Dwight's does!
Hope this helps something.
PS, changing them is a breeze. I have the procedure in pdf if you need
it.
John Peterson
Kingston RI
300D 2.5 77k
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Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:37 AM
Subject: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Was looking at the motor mounts - what little I could see of them at
least -
and was wondering how to tell if they're going/gone bad?
TIA -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Larry,
If they're old, replacement is probably a good idea if you don't mind
the $100+ cost for a pair. The official test is to measure the
distance from the bottom side of the mount to the frame rail. Less
than 13mm, the mount has collapsed and needs replacement. More than
13mm, it's probably OK for a while longer. They are fluid-filled
mounts - neat stuff compared to the rubber dinosaurs used on the 123,
etc. Scroll toward the end of this PDF file for more details on the
test procedure:
http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/W124/124_engine_mounts.pdf
(122kb download)
:-)
-Dave M.
--
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:37:42 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Was looking at the motor mounts - what little I could see of them at least -
and was wondering how to tell if they're going/gone bad?
TIA -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
What about dew? In this area the humidity will stay from 60-100% from now until the middle of July. WD40. Hoist http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44006 I would strongly recommend the use of a chain fall (chain block and tackle, whatever you want to call it) instead, because it's both much stronger and you have greater control over what you're doing. The electric lifts just move too fast. I have three of them in the garage for convertible tops. Even looped they're kind of too fast. I'd suggest http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=996 instead, or one of its heavier variations. It's what I use. (Mine might be a 2- or 3-tonner.) Engine stand 750lb http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=32915 Engine stand 1000lb http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=32916 The 1000# one is what I used for the Hercules, and after I got it I wish I'd sprung for the 2000# one. The Herc stressed it pretty heavily. But then, it's a BIG motor! As always, HF items are best procured on sale. Usually 40% off regular price. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
I don't know how easy it would be to hang that hoist from a tree -- I'd definitely get the larger stand with four wheels and greater weight capacity. I have one similar to this one, but at $50 less from Homier when they came through town. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=35915 A light wiping/spray of oil handles dew problems. The current drought has lessened the problem here --- On 2/25/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about dew? In this area the humidity will stay from 60-100% from now until the middle of July. Hoist http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44006 Engine stand 750lb http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=32915 Engine stand 1000lb http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=32916 Will that hoist work with a sturdy tree? :) Which stand will do the job the best? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] Ratchet lube
Jim Cathey wrote: I use ATF in a pump dispenser for generic oiling like that. That was my first thought, as well. Thanks Jim. Tom
Re: [MBZ] Blue Bomber starts-update
Forgot - the hydraulic lift is only usable on a hard surface - won't begin to move on dirt. A chain hoist is better if you have dirt where you'll be working. The engine stand will be similar, but could have less weight due the removal of the tranny and other parts. You could use the stand on sheets of plywood, but I wouldn't try to remove an engine on plywood. On 2/25/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how easy it would be to hang that hoist from a tree -- I'd definitely get the larger stand with four wheels and greater weight capacity. I have one similar to this one, but at $50 less from Homier when they came through town. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=35915 A light wiping/spray of oil handles dew problems. The current drought has lessened the problem here --- On 2/25/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about dew? In this area the humidity will stay from 60-100% from now until the middle of July. Hoist http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44006 Engine stand 750lb http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=32915 Engine stand 1000lb http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=32916 Will that hoist work with a sturdy tree? :) Which stand will do the job the best? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Our 124 is named Rattled because the left (drivers side) engine mount was collapsed when we bought it. It shook you and was loud when stopped, more when in gear and stopped, but was smooth and quiet when moving. I replaced both mounts - it was easy. On 2/25/06, Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry, If they're old, replacement is probably a good idea if you don't mind the $100+ cost for a pair. The official test is to measure the distance from the bottom side of the mount to the frame rail. Less than 13mm, the mount has collapsed and needs replacement. More than 13mm, it's probably OK for a while longer. They are fluid-filled mounts - neat stuff compared to the rubber dinosaurs used on the 123, etc. Scroll toward the end of this PDF file for more details on the test procedure: http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/W124/124_engine_mounts.pdf (122kb download) :-) -Dave M. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
[MBZ] 1981 240 D
For sale, runs, a few rough spots on body, interior good. About 155k miles (it's snowing, I'll check later) dark blue, located in central Mass. $1000. Jim Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] MB Service Times for Jobs
Here ya go... about a 1MB download (uppack the Zip file): http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/other/Mercedes_Labor_Time_Guide.zip It's not user-friendly by any stretch of the imagination, though. :) -Dave M. -- Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:35:29 -0500 From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] MB Service Times for Jobs About a year ago or so someone had a link to a program that gave Mercedes Service times to various maintenance and repair jobs for many different models. Anyone have that? thanks Regards Tom Scordato 1977300D 1979 240D
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Thanks for the info - I will test drive it to see if I detect any
noise -don't recall any - but will see.
I'd rather replace them before they get really bad - but if I can wait a
little while I will.
;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message -
From: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Larry,
If they're old, replacement is probably a good idea if you don't mind
the $100+ cost for a pair. The official test is to measure the
distance from the bottom side of the mount to the frame rail. Less
than 13mm, the mount has collapsed and needs replacement. More than
13mm, it's probably OK for a while longer. They are fluid-filled
mounts - neat stuff compared to the rubber dinosaurs used on the 123,
etc. Scroll toward the end of this PDF file for more details on the
test procedure:
http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/W124/124_engine_mounts.pdf
(122kb download)
:-)
-Dave M.
--
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:37:42 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
Was looking at the motor mounts - what little I could see of them at
least -
and was wondering how to tell if they're going/gone bad?
TIA -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] MB Service Times for Jobs
Thanks Dave - Original Message - From: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Service Times for Jobs Here ya go... about a 1MB download (uppack the Zip file): http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/other/Mercedes_Labor_Time_Guide.zip It's not user-friendly by any stretch of the imagination, though. :) -Dave M. -- Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:35:29 -0500 From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] MB Service Times for Jobs About a year ago or so someone had a link to a program that gave Mercedes Service times to various maintenance and repair jobs for many different models. Anyone have that? thanks Regards Tom Scordato 1977300D 1979 240D ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT: SnapOn warranty
On Feb 25, 2006, at 11:48 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: For this reason I prefer my beam torque wrench. It should last 'forever'. It's also interesting to watch the torque creep down with it. You can be twisting a bolt and reach the torque, but if you hold it in position it'll often creep downwards. I just hold the torque until the wrench stops moving, sometimes that can take several seconds. -- Jim When using any torque wrench I go in three increments, with a click- type I go around one extra lap to ensure proper torque. A smooth steady force is the ticket, yanking until it clicks will not yield accurate torque. I can also guestimate torque pretty accurately, having developed the feel for it over the years. I have several torque wrenches from a 1/4drive 1in/lb up to a 1 drive 800ft/lb. Beams, dial gauges and clickers. I prefer a dial gauge type for setting rolling pre-loads on tapered roller bearing sets. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Ratchet lube
On Feb 25, 2006, at 12:25 PM, tom savage wrote: This brings up a question I've been meaning to ask for a while now. I've got a 1/2 Craftsman ratchet which is older than I am and has an oil port on the end. I'm sure it has never been serviced. Is there any particular oil I should use? Thanks, Tom Anything is better than nothing. My personal preference is to soak them in a coffee can with a mix of Marvel Mystery oil and whatever dino motor oil I have an open bottle of. I put the plastic cover back on and save it for the next time. I set them in another empty coffee can until they drain enough not to make puddles in my tool chest. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts
On Feb 25, 2006, at 2:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the suspension must be stress relieved as follows. - then it explains how to strress relive the suspension. When they speak of suspension in this context they are referring to the engine/tranny mounts, not the springs and control arms and such. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
[MBZ] FYI - News from Smart Cars of America, LLC
FYI - with my luck, these will be only vergassers [image: $Account.OrganizationName] Europe's Smart For-Two at Long Last Available for the U.S. Market. [image: smart]http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=h6s4atbab.0.hscke8aab.4fz9u9aab.251p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smartcarofamerica.com%2FWaitingList.php BELLEAIR, Florida February 24, 2006 Smart Cars of America LLC announced today an ongoing discussion with Silica Corporation and its intent to assist Silica Corporation, to promote the sales of Smart For-Two Passion models in the U.S.. Silica Corporation is a St. Louis, Missouri automobile wholesaler and distributor and has begun the process to import the Smart Car into the United States by sealing a relationship with a government approved for Smart Cars. The Smart cars are acquired directly from Europe and modified to U.S. standards by GK Automotive Conversion, Inc., of Santa Ana, California; an authorized Registered Importer for the conversion and modification procedures of the Smart For-Two, required by the U.S. and the Environmental Protection Agency. At this time Silica Corporation's Independent Commercial Importer, GK Automotive, is the only licensed entity to convert and modify the Smart For- Two. Silica Corporation, a Missouri based company, chose the 2006 St. Louis Mardi Gras, Grand Parade to publicize its introduction of the Smart For-Two. The unofficial Smart Car launch takes place on February 25, 2006, at 11:00 a.m. in downtown St Louis, Missouri. Silica Corporation's participation in the parade will consist of...Would you believe? a Red Smart For- Two Passion surrounded by 10 trench-coat clad Don Adams type personalities. Last year's parade attracted nearly 400,000 enthusiasts. The first consignment of the new Smart Passions will be available on or around March 25, 2006, through select dealers in the St Louis, Missouri area and other limited venues. Each car comes with a 4-year/48,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty. The Smart Car will not appear in the majority of insurance carrier databases. However, Silica Corporation has found a carrier that will insure the Smart Car. The Smarts' ingenious style, brand name relationship, when coupled with the enormous increase in fuel cost, has created an eruption of curiosity about the Smart For-Two in the United States. The Smart has been available in Europe since 1998 and is currently sold in 33 countries. The Smart For- Two is at, in limited numbers, for the U.S. driving public. Due to its limited availability, expense of conversion, shipping, and assorted duties, taxes, and other costs involved in bringing the Smart Car into the US, the US-modified Smart For-Two will be priced accordingly. The Smart Car will be priced in the range of other in demand and highly sought after cars, such as the Mini Cooper S Convertible, the Toyota hybrid Prius and other in short supply vehicles. Smart Cars of America LLC, President S. L. Johnston announced that the teamwork with Silica Corporation will allow us to press forward concerning our strategies to assist in the distribution of all forms of smart transportation. About Smart Cars of America, LLC Smart Cars of Americahttp://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=h6s4atbab.0.l46gf4aab.4fz9u9aab.251p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smartcarofamerica.com%2F– Established in 1999; Smart Car of America created a marketing campaign dedicated to the consumer marketplace for Smart Cars, Electric Vehicles, and Alternative automotive transportation. Smart Car of America is a comprehensive leader in forward-thinking automotive information. Smart Car of America continues to work with legitimate sources to have cars for their clients and is in ongoing discussions with several, alternative and electric car manufacturers. Web Site http://www.smartcarofamerica.comhttp://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=h6s4atbab.0.ju58x9aab.4fz9u9aab.251p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smartcarofamerica.com Smart Car of America S.L. Johnston President Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neither Silica Corporation or Smart Cars of America, LLC have formal or informal association or agreements with DaimlerChrysler Corp, Mercedes Benz, Zap, smart car GmbH, Smart-Automobile LLC, smart-usa, Mercedes USA and are not affiliated with, or authorized by, smart gmbh, the manufacturer of SMART automobiles, or the smartUSA division of Mercedes-Benz LLC, the exclusive authorized U.S. importer and distributor of those new vehicles. *Forward emailhttp://ui.constantcontact.com/sa/fwtf.jsp?m=1100405892287ea=bobhoward3%40yahoo.coma=1101223938983 * http://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=unm=1100405892287ea=bobhoward3%40yahoo.comt=1101223938983lang=enreason=F This email was sent to xxx by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribehttp://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=unm=1100405892287ea=bobhoward3%40yahoo.comt=1101223938983lang=enreason=F™ | Privacy Policy http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp. Powered by http://www.constantcontact.com/index.jsp?cc=press02 Smart Cars of America, LLC
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
I just had another incident of japanese *quality*. A guy who works with my wife has a 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid. The thing only has 134,000 miles on it, all easy highway miles and has been properly maintained. 2 weeks ago without warning it threw a rod through the side of the block, no low oil light or anything, just boom. They brag about an 8 year warranty on the batteries, but only about 30k miles on the engine. So the guy has a dead honda with two years left on the note. It's going to cost him well over $3000 to have a USED engine put in the thing ( gee, wonder if it'll last as long as the last one ) And to top it off, that hybrid NEVER got the kind of fuel milage that they bragged about, in fact it got about the same or less than most of these MB diesels. To think he could have been commuting 140 miles a day in comfort instead of getting his bones rattled for the same fuel milage. --Robert Curt Raymond wrote: I think that because of the reliability of the Toyotas and Hondas people will tend to skimp on maintenance. A friend of mine has a '93 Camry he bought from his inlaws. At one point I asked how often he changed the oil. Oh whenever I think of it... It wasn't long after that he put a new engine in because of citical bearing failure. Now with something like 200k on the ticker he wasn't too broken up about it. $3000 later had a new 100,000 mile engine in which he's still driving (4 years later) after something like another 100,000 miles but now he uses synthetic oil changed at 8k. Remember the Honda comercial where they welded the hood shut? I had a teacher in highschool that believed it. Never checked the oil, added any oil or anything. That engine lasted like 20kmi... So the engine was replaced, then she checked the oil and just kept adding as it went down. In something like 30k she was back at the shop for engine #3... -Curt Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:29:53 -0600 From: Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm beginning to think that all the hype on Toyotas and Hondas is just a byproduct of sheer numbers. I see the things with all kinds of problems all the time ( and I politely tell the owners who to take them to because I refuse to work on the things ) . I think the reason that we hear so much hype about them is because with so stinking many of the things being built all the time, the law of avarages is going to produce a seemingly high number of exceedingly positive stories, but from what I see, they are no better, and possibly worse than many other makes. I honestly see more problems with toyotas than fords or GMs these days. My mother bought a Toyota camery last year ( after passing on a 2 year old MB that was previously owned by a friends son who was an MB mechanic and had all the bugs out of the thing for about the same money ) and even with a supposed warrenty she's had to put out a bundle in uncovered repair expenses on the thing. Toyota and honda owners generally get real defensive about their cars, but if you dig deep enough you find that most are spending as much or in many cases way more to keep the things on the road. -Road - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Morning sluggishness
Old Cold cars are not very happy until they have had a cup of coffee or two. Gump takes a few glows on colder mornings. I live a few miles from the freeway, so she has ample time to get up to temp. City driving in the AM she wants some time to wake up. consider it foreplay. Fluids are more viscous and the iron just takes a little longer to get hot enough for full combustion temps to be reached. Just my vista from a cheap old Benz On Friday, February 24, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Brian Chase wrote: Here's a topic you old timers can relate to: Is it common for these diesels to be sluggish when cold? This morning it seemed the thing was less peppy than the night before (insert your quips here). Was almost scarry trying to take off in traffic - I think it was almost floor-boarded and I barely got rolling. Things returned to somewhat normal after warming up to normal temp. And after tearing down the freeway for numerous miles, peppiness galore. There is no smoking, no signs of ill health otherwise. Brian 83 240D _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
