Re: [MBZ] OT, cummins, experts chime in

[Mitch Haley]

"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> 
> I just dont get attatched to the frods, sorry.  Seems cheap though,
> where is it located?  I might be up for a beater truck

Michigan. It's well maintained, was in service as an ambulance
at a local hospital a month ago. There's a big hole in the back
where the ambulance body used to be and a small hole in each fender
where the lights were. 14k GVWR, it's an Econoline so the engine
bay is cramped, but the cargo area to length ratio is better than
with an F450.

Re: [MBZ] Couple Questions

[David Brodbeck]

Jim Cathey wrote:
>>   1.  The 82 300CD has a developed a nasty deep loud growly rumble 
>> during tight RH turns, worse when power is applied.  Sound emanates 
>> from tranny area.
>> 
>
> Sounds can telegraph surprisingly far.  It could also be bad motor 
> and/or
> tranny mounts allowing the drivetrain elements to hard-contact the body
> under turning stress.

I've had this happen with bad motor mounts.  If it also gets loud and
rumbly when you shift into reverse, take a look at the left motor
mount.  It's  probably collapsed.

Re: [MBZ] OT, cummins, experts chime in

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I just dont get attatched to the frods, sorry.  Seems cheap though, 
where is it located?  I might be up for a beater truck


Mitch Haley wrote:


"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:


That 1 ton had a 3.73 or whatever rear end.  Forgot to check the other
truck.  I would prefer a 3/4 ton for daily use, as the dually is pretty
big, but would be nice if I did ever start hauling more than 1 car at
once.  For now I just haul one at a time so Im sure 3/4 is the way to go.




2 ton Ford, 1997, 160kmi, auto trans, 7.3 powerstroke, $2k. No bed,
but you could put rails on it and piggyback a car. Want it or not?
Mitch.

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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Toyota diesels

[archer]

Hmmm.  Wonder if these are bait and switch ads just to get people into the 
dealership?  Judging by the sheer quantity of advertising, dealers must be 
desperate to sell cars down here.

Gerry

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archer wrote:

There were two diesels pictured in boxes with the word "diesel"
in big artwork letters in the bottom of each picture:  The 2002 Toyota 
Rav 4

and a 2002 Ford F-150 Supercab XLT.


Neither sold in USA with a diesel. (unless the Ford is really F250 or 
larger)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT, cummins, experts chime in

[Mitch Haley]

"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> 
> That 1 ton had a 3.73 or whatever rear end.  Forgot to check the other
> truck.  I would prefer a 3/4 ton for daily use, as the dually is pretty
> big, but would be nice if I did ever start hauling more than 1 car at
> once.  For now I just haul one at a time so Im sure 3/4 is the way to go.
> 

2 ton Ford, 1997, 160kmi, auto trans, 7.3 powerstroke, $2k. No bed,
but you could put rails on it and piggyback a car. Want it or not?
Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] OT, cummins, experts chime in

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

That 1 ton had a 3.73 or whatever rear end.  Forgot to check the other 
truck.  I would prefer a 3/4 ton for daily use, as the dually is pretty 
big, but would be nice if I did ever start hauling more than 1 car at 
once.  For now I just haul one at a time so Im sure 3/4 is the way to go.


Jim Cathey wrote:

Personally I'd go with the 05'.  But then again I guess I'd want more 
info
on the rear end...  I know I've heard the newer models (like since 98) 
you
have to be sure not to lose fuel pressure or they tend to take out the 
IP...



So far as I know, only the 24-valve non-common-rail engines have this
issue.  98.5-02?  The 12-valvers and the '03+ (?) merely stop running if
the fuel delivery system plugs up or dies.  Fix filter and/or lift pump
and you're on the road again.


Well I went and test drove a couple of dodge cummins today. First up 
was
a 05 1 ton dually, long bed, 4 door, 4 wheel drive , with leaver in 
the
floor for switching, with 6 speed manual.  I liked it for the fact 
that

it has the 6 speed, seems like it would get better mileage than the
autos.  It needs all new tires pretty soon, especially in the back and



It will get better mileage, and likely will last longer too.  But 6X
tire price is definitely worse than 4X.  Periodically.  I wouldn't want
a dualie unless I was towing/hauling heavy a lot, but I just hate
training wheels.  Lotsa guys strip off the fender skirts by accident,
since the truck is so much wider in back than in front.



probably alignment.  Rode like a 1 ton of course.  Shifted good.  Is a
BIG truck.  Seems like the rear end was howling.  Are they supposed to
howl on these?  Price as 23k had 101k miles.  Next truck was a 03 
2500,



They don't howl, something is wrong.  Also note that the dualie is 
likely
equipped with the 4.10:1 (?) rear end, and so will not get the good 
mileage
of the 3.73:1 (again, ?), but will be welcome if you exclusively tow 
heavy.

For nothing heavier than a car on a trailer I'd go with the taller rear
end, you'll get better mileage.  In the common-rail models, you can also
get a 1-ton single rear wheel model if that suits your needs better, but
for a car on a trailer I'd think a 3/4 ton would be adequate, and would
offer _slightly_ better unloaded comfort.

Highway miles tend to be gentle miles, the Cummins is as robust as
our beloved OM617, if not more so.  100 kmi is just broken in, I
wouldn't worry about it if the condition of the rest of the truck
looked good.  Thrash will out, so to speak.

-- Jim


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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Couple Questions

[Jim Cathey]

  1.  The 82 300CD has a developed a nasty deep loud growly rumble 
during tight RH turns, worse when power is applied.  Sound emanates 
from tranny area.


Sounds can telegraph surprisingly far.  It could also be bad motor 
and/or

tranny mounts allowing the drivetrain elements to hard-contact the body
under turning stress.  Or the exhaust system.  You could go under and
yank hard on the tail of the tranny and related items to see if there
was unwarranted movement.  I'd vote for bad mounts, or a bad half-axle
or wheel bearing.  The noise alone would probably tell the experienced
diagnostician what it was, if he could hear it personally.

  2.  The 85 300CD A/C compressor won't turn on.  I tried the ACC from 
the 82 which works ok but it had no effect.  What other switches 
should be checked?  The A/C previously worked fine.


The low-pressure safety switch on the drier?  How's the state of charge?
A recent leak can deplete the charge in a hurry.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT, cummins, experts chime in

[Jim Cathey]

Personally I'd go with the 05'.  But then again I guess I'd want more 
info
on the rear end...  I know I've heard the newer models (like since 98) 
you
have to be sure not to lose fuel pressure or they tend to take out the 
IP...


So far as I know, only the 24-valve non-common-rail engines have this
issue.  98.5-02?  The 12-valvers and the '03+ (?) merely stop running if
the fuel delivery system plugs up or dies.  Fix filter and/or lift pump
and you're on the road again.

Well I went and test drove a couple of dodge cummins today. First up 
was
a 05 1 ton dually, long bed, 4 door, 4 wheel drive , with leaver in 
the
floor for switching, with 6 speed manual.  I liked it for the fact 
that

it has the 6 speed, seems like it would get better mileage than the
autos.  It needs all new tires pretty soon, especially in the back and


It will get better mileage, and likely will last longer too.  But 6X
tire price is definitely worse than 4X.  Periodically.  I wouldn't want
a dualie unless I was towing/hauling heavy a lot, but I just hate
training wheels.  Lotsa guys strip off the fender skirts by accident,
since the truck is so much wider in back than in front.


probably alignment.  Rode like a 1 ton of course.  Shifted good.  Is a
BIG truck.  Seems like the rear end was howling.  Are they supposed to
howl on these?  Price as 23k had 101k miles.  Next truck was a 03 
2500,


They don't howl, something is wrong.  Also note that the dualie is 
likely
equipped with the 4.10:1 (?) rear end, and so will not get the good 
mileage
of the 3.73:1 (again, ?), but will be welcome if you exclusively tow 
heavy.

For nothing heavier than a car on a trailer I'd go with the taller rear
end, you'll get better mileage.  In the common-rail models, you can also
get a 1-ton single rear wheel model if that suits your needs better, but
for a car on a trailer I'd think a 3/4 ton would be adequate, and would
offer _slightly_ better unloaded comfort.

Highway miles tend to be gentle miles, the Cummins is as robust as
our beloved OM617, if not more so.  100 kmi is just broken in, I
wouldn't worry about it if the condition of the rest of the truck
looked good.  Thrash will out, so to speak.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT, cummins, experts chime in

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well I cant really go with a manual trans, because the wife cant drive 
it and refuses to learn.  Something about a bad knee.  The auto is 
easier anyway, but I like the command of a stick.  The ones with the 
fuel pressure taking out the ip are the 98-02 I believe.  The 03 and up 
went to the common rail injection etc, have WAY more power and are much 
more quiet.


Levi Smith wrote:


Personally I'd go with the 05'.  But then again I guess I'd want more info
on the rear end...  I know I've heard the newer models (like since 98) you
have to be sure not to lose fuel pressure or they tend to take out the IP...

I know what you mean about enjoying them...  My dad's got a 97 or 98 Cummins
Dually with a flat bed/side racks with dump.  That thing just hauls.  You
throw a trailer that weighs a couple tons on there and a tractor that weighs
another 3-5 ton or so on there and it barely cares
As compared to his 05' 1500 with the 4.7l engine in it that won't hold 70mph
in 5th gear going up a hill by itself.  It's not a dog, 5th is a pretty high
gear.  But you throw JUST that trailer on the back and you can practically
forget doing much in 5th unless there's absolutely no incline and no need to
accelerate.

That Cummins torque is addicting...  Now if only I could get one in my Benz
or something the size of a Dakota...  (:
Hey Mike, you ought to throw one of THOSE in your M37!

Oh yeah my uncle (also named Mike) has like a 95 2500 Cummins chassis that
he put on one of those like late 60's sweptline Dodge bodies on.  Looks
pretty cool.  Apparently his has been upgraded though as his has a lot more
top end pull to it.

Sorry I'm not more help there Kaleb, but the mention of those Cummins really
gets the "AR AR" (grunt grunt as Tim Allen would do) flowing!  (:

Levi

On 7/20/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well I went and test drove a couple of dodge cummins today. First up was
a 05 1 ton dually, long bed, 4 door, 4 wheel drive , with leaver in the
floor for switching, with 6 speed manual.  I liked it for the fact that
it has the 6 speed, seems like it would get better mileage than the
autos.  It needs all new tires pretty soon, especially in the back and
probably alignment.  Rode like a 1 ton of course.  Shifted good.  Is a
BIG truck.  Seems like the rear end was howling.  Are they supposed to
howl on these?  Price as 23k had 101k miles.  Next truck was a 03 2500,
short bed, electronic 4 wheel drive, automatic, 4 door.  It had leather,
rode smoother, didnt pull to one side.  Price on it was 21.5k.  I can
say I REALLY love that cummins motor after driving one of them.  What do
you cummins ownere thing about this?  Good prices?  Keep looking?  What
kind of mileage will that 1 ton get with the 6 speed?  Will it be worse
than the other truck with automatic 3/4 ton?  The thing that had me
worried was the rear end howling on the other 1 ton truck.
--
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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] OT, cummins, experts chime in

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Because the howl changed/went away with load.  Those trucks book at 
around 30k for the 05 and around 26k for the 03


Donald Snook wrote:
Kaleb wrote: 

 

"The thing that had me 


worried was the rear end howling on the other 1 ton truck."

 


I am not an expert on these trucks, I don't know enough to be a novice,
but one thing you said struck me. 

 


Didn't you say it needed tires?  How do you know the howl is not tire
noise. I had a howl from my old Chevy 4X4 and it ended up being the
tires.  

 


23K for a truck with 101K miles?  I don't know how much these trucks
are, but that sounds like a lot of dough for that many miles.  I guess a
lot of it must have been highway miles to put 100,000 miles on it in two
years. 

 

 


Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 


300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

[MBZ] OT, cummins, experts chime in

[Van Cleve]

Kaleb

I'm a long waz from a cummins expert but...I really like my five 
speed,12 valve cummins. Dont need 4wd, extended cab or dually but I 
get 23-24 mpg towing cars which is what I was after.  I do like the 
six speed trannys in the newer models tho, which might compensate for 
the more temperamental IP.
The only thing I dont like about my "94" is that velour upholstery, 
miss that MT Tex .  Happy truck hunting



Regards
Steve
"85" Euro 240D, 5 spd manual, 110K
"79" 240D, 5 spd manual, 20K on eng rebuild
"94" Dodge/Cummins PU, 100K
"64" VW Bug
"65" D15, AC tractor

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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:20:59 -0500
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Well I went and test drove a couple of dodge cummins today. First up was
a 05 1 ton dually, long bed, 4 door, 4 wheel drive , with leaver in the
floor for switching, with 6 speed manual.  I liked it for the fact that
it has the 6 speed, seems like it would get better mileage than the
autos.  It needs all new tires pretty soon, especially in the back and
probably alignment.  Rode like a 1 ton of course.  Shifted good.  Is a
BIG truck.  Seems like the rear end was howling.  Are they supposed to
howl on these?  Price as 23k had 101k miles.  Next truck was a 03 2500,
short bed, electronic 4 wheel drive, automatic, 4 door.  It had leather,
rode smoother, didnt pull to one side.  Price on it was 21.5k.  I can
say I REALLY love that cummins motor after driving one of them.  What do
you cummins ownere thing about this?  Good prices?  Keep looking?  What
kind of mileage will that 1 ton get with the 6 speed?  Will it be worse
than the other truck with automatic 3/4 ton?  The thing that had me
worried was the rear end howling on the other 1 ton truck.
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
  91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
  85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
  76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] OT, cummins, experts chime in

[David Brodbeck]

Donald Snook wrote:
> Didn't you say it needed tires?  How do you know the howl is not tire
> noise. I had a howl from my old Chevy 4X4 and it ended up being the
> tires.  
>   

That's the annoying thing.  It can go either way.  I had a noise on an
E150 once that I swore was tire noise.  It sounded exactly like tire
whine, and didn't change with throttle position, only with speed.  It
turned out to be the bearings in the rear end.

If I were the one shopping for a truck, I'd use the noise to bargain the
price down.  Then I'd change the tires, and if the noise stayed, I'd
start shopping for a junkyard rear axle.  They go bad so rarely on most
vehicles that the odds of finding a good one seem pretty good.

Re: [MBZ] OT, cummins, experts chime in

[Levi Smith]

Personally I'd go with the 05'.  But then again I guess I'd want more info
on the rear end...  I know I've heard the newer models (like since 98) you
have to be sure not to lose fuel pressure or they tend to take out the IP...

I know what you mean about enjoying them...  My dad's got a 97 or 98 Cummins
Dually with a flat bed/side racks with dump.  That thing just hauls.  You
throw a trailer that weighs a couple tons on there and a tractor that weighs
another 3-5 ton or so on there and it barely cares
As compared to his 05' 1500 with the 4.7l engine in it that won't hold 70mph
in 5th gear going up a hill by itself.  It's not a dog, 5th is a pretty high
gear.  But you throw JUST that trailer on the back and you can practically
forget doing much in 5th unless there's absolutely no incline and no need to
accelerate.

That Cummins torque is addicting...  Now if only I could get one in my Benz
or something the size of a Dakota...  (:
Hey Mike, you ought to throw one of THOSE in your M37!

Oh yeah my uncle (also named Mike) has like a 95 2500 Cummins chassis that
he put on one of those like late 60's sweptline Dodge bodies on.  Looks
pretty cool.  Apparently his has been upgraded though as his has a lot more
top end pull to it.

Sorry I'm not more help there Kaleb, but the mention of those Cummins really
gets the "AR AR" (grunt grunt as Tim Allen would do) flowing!  (:

Levi

On 7/20/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well I went and test drove a couple of dodge cummins today. First up was
a 05 1 ton dually, long bed, 4 door, 4 wheel drive , with leaver in the
floor for switching, with 6 speed manual.  I liked it for the fact that
it has the 6 speed, seems like it would get better mileage than the
autos.  It needs all new tires pretty soon, especially in the back and
probably alignment.  Rode like a 1 ton of course.  Shifted good.  Is a
BIG truck.  Seems like the rear end was howling.  Are they supposed to
howl on these?  Price as 23k had 101k miles.  Next truck was a 03 2500,
short bed, electronic 4 wheel drive, automatic, 4 door.  It had leather,
rode smoother, didnt pull to one side.  Price on it was 21.5k.  I can
say I REALLY love that cummins motor after driving one of them.  What do
you cummins ownere thing about this?  Good prices?  Keep looking?  What
kind of mileage will that 1 ton get with the 6 speed?  Will it be worse
than the other truck with automatic 3/4 ton?  The thing that had me
worried was the rear end howling on the other 1 ton truck.
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
  91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
  85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
  76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

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Re: [MBZ] OT, cummins, experts chime in

[Donald Snook]

Kaleb wrote: 

 

"The thing that had me 

worried was the rear end howling on the other 1 ton truck."

 

I am not an expert on these trucks, I don't know enough to be a novice,
but one thing you said struck me. 

 

Didn't you say it needed tires?  How do you know the howl is not tire
noise. I had a howl from my old Chevy 4X4 and it ended up being the
tires.  

 

23K for a truck with 101K miles?  I don't know how much these trucks
are, but that sounds like a lot of dough for that many miles.  I guess a
lot of it must have been highway miles to put 100,000 miles on it in two
years. 

 

 

Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 

300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

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Re: [MBZ] It couldn't be any hooter er hotter here.

[Curt Raymond]

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Bruce D. wrote:=20

=20

"The 85 300CD A/C compressor won't turn on.  I tried the ACC from the 82
which works ok but it had no effect.  What other switches should be
checked?  The A/C previously worked fine."

=20

No one should be without a/c this time of year. I will give $750 for it.
Since it is labeled as "hers" in your signature line, does that mean it
is the cleaner one?=20

=20

=20

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129K=20

[MBZ] OT, cummins, experts chime in

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well I went and test drove a couple of dodge cummins today. First up was 
a 05 1 ton dually, long bed, 4 door, 4 wheel drive , with leaver in the 
floor for switching, with 6 speed manual.  I liked it for the fact that 
it has the 6 speed, seems like it would get better mileage than the 
autos.  It needs all new tires pretty soon, especially in the back and 
probably alignment.  Rode like a 1 ton of course.  Shifted good.  Is a 
BIG truck.  Seems like the rear end was howling.  Are they supposed to 
howl on these?  Price as 23k had 101k miles.  Next truck was a 03 2500, 
short bed, electronic 4 wheel drive, automatic, 4 door.  It had leather, 
rode smoother, didnt pull to one side.  Price on it was 21.5k.  I can 
say I REALLY love that cummins motor after driving one of them.  What do 
you cummins ownere thing about this?  Good prices?  Keep looking?  What 
kind of mileage will that 1 ton get with the 6 speed?  Will it be worse 
than the other truck with automatic 3/4 ton?  The thing that had me 
worried was the rear end howling on the other 1 ton truck.

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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck sighting in Oregon

[Marshall Booth]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

Not sure if this is still of interest to anyone since there hasn't been a
lot of oil discussion lately (who am I kidding?), but I saw the elusive
Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck today.  This was at the big new G.I. Joe's (a PNW
chain of sporting goods stores) on SE 82nd and Johnson Creek Blvd in
Portland.  $22.79 per gallon.  Photographic proof attached!


NOTE that's $22.+ for 4 qts vs about $22 for 5 qt of 5W-40 Truck and 
SUV!! $70/barrel oil IS getting expensive!


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

[MBZ] Pretty nice 123 Wagon on ebay item # 200009159058

[Donald Snook]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-MB-300-Series-123-Turbo-Diesel-Wagon
-PRISTINE-CAR_W0QQitemZ29159058QQihZ010QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZVi
ewItem

 

This looks pretty nice, but I wonder why the engine was "overhauled" 

 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129K 

Re: [MBZ] Toyota diesels

[Steve MacSween]

on 7/20/06 2:01 PM, archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> It may be greymarket.  I wonder
> if they're sold in Canada?

Nyet, there were diesel pickups from Toyota at one time, here in
Kanuckistan, but never a dizzle Rav 4.

Mac

Re: [MBZ] Couple Questions

[Levi Smith]

Does the Compressor clutch engage with 12v applied directly to it?

On 7/20/06, B Dike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 The 85 300CD A/C compressor won't turn on.  I tried the ACC from the 82
which works ok but it had no effect.  What other switches should be
checked?  The A/C previously worked fine.

  Thanks,



Bruce
82 300CD 334kmi 'His'
85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers'
75 240D 202kmi 'Donner'
77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen'
73 220D 'It'

Re: [MBZ] Toyota diesels

[Mitch Haley]

archer wrote:
> There were two diesels pictured in boxes with the word "diesel"
> in big artwork letters in the bottom of each picture:  The 2002 Toyota Rav 4
> and a 2002 Ford F-150 Supercab XLT.  

Neither sold in USA with a diesel. (unless the Ford is really F250 or larger)

Mitch.

[MBZ] Couple Questions

[B Dike]

All,
   
  Any ideas on these would help:
   
  1.  The 82 300CD has a developed a nasty deep loud growly rumble during tight 
RH turns, worse when power is applied.  Sound emanates from tranny area.  No 
noise with LH turns.  Is it differential, rear bearings, front bearings, flex 
joints...???  And the for the wiseguys on the list (you know who you are),  I 
refuse to drive to work with LH turns only!!
   
  2.  The 85 300CD A/C compressor won't turn on.  I tried the ACC from the 82 
which works ok but it had no effect.  What other switches should be checked?  
The A/C previously worked fine.
   
  Thanks,
   


Bruce
82 300CD 334kmi 'His'
85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers'
75 240D 202kmi 'Donner'
77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen'
73 220D 'It'

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Good idea, Luther.  I should have thought of that.  Will do next time I am
near that store (probably within the next week).

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper


On 7/20/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Can you send us the UPC code for this so we can look for it locally
>
> Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Not sure if this is still of interest to anyone since there hasn't been
> a
> > lot of oil discussion lately (who am I kidding?), but I saw the elusive
> > Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck today.  This was at the big new G.I. Joe's (a
> PNW
> > chain of sporting goods stores) on SE 82nd and Johnson Creek Blvd in
> > Portland.  $22.79 per gallon.  Photographic proof attached!
> >
> > Alex Chamberlain
> > '87 300D Turbo
> > '93 Isuzu Trooper
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Re: [MBZ] Priming the Oil System

[Marshall Booth]

ned kleinhenz wrote:

I noticed that JB Hebert recently mentioned that he "manually primed the
lubrication system through the pressure sender fitting" when he was ready to
restart his 606 engine after working on the oil pump.

His statement make me consider that maybe I should be doing something like
this before I restart my 606 engine.

What is the reason for priming?

Are we worried the oil pump will not be able to develop suction?

Are we concerned the bearings may run (kind of) dry for too long?

Can anybody describe the procedure and equipment to do this?

Would cranking the engine for a long time before it starts accomplish the
same thing?


Mercedes diesels DO NOT require anything except that you don't drive 
until the oil pressure reaches 3+ bar. At cranking speeds, Mercedes has 
made provisions for there to be sufficient oil to be present even after 
you completely drain or suction the oil out of the engine and replace it 
by pouring into the valve cover or into the oil filter housing. If 
you've used a group IV synthetic there will be even less of a problem 
(MUCH higher film strength).


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 201 status

[Zeitgeist]

After breakfast, it's nearly beer-thirty, which necessitates relaxing the
work schedule a bit.

On 7/20/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Jim eats breakfast at 11:45 AM, in case anyone has wondered.

No, more like 8-9AM.  It's just that I get up early, usually
when the sun hits me in the eye.  The real problem is, many
days nothing much gets done _after_ breakfast!



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG

Re: [MBZ] 300SD stopped after start and won't restart

[Marshall Booth]

UDG - Joop Schmeitz wrote:
I haven't used my W116 300SD for a while.  
   
Started it today. It started right on but stopted after 15-20 seconds. Won't start again.  
   
I had a look at the small filter just besides the hand pump. It is clear and carries diesel.  
   
I handpumped for a while (stopped when I got a blister...) but no diesel is coming out of the pump.  
   
What do I wrong? (tank is half full).  
   
Hope someone can help.  


Plugged tank screen, fuel line or the gauge is wrong and you're out of fuel!

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] '79 240D alternator mystery solved (?)

[LT Don]

You just had to, didn't you?

On 7/20/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Well according to my Indy-the regulator probably looked more like slut
> air had gotten to it.   Just drove it home-fine so far.

So _that's_ how you get a blown regulator.  Whodathunkit?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] '79 240D alternator mystery solved (?)

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

I am not going there. Maybe a circuit fixing project for you when you
finish with the low oil boards.
Dwight




-> Well according to my Indy-the regulator probably looked more like
slut
> air had gotten to it.   Just drove it home-fine so far.

So _that's_ how you get a blown regulator.  Whodathunkit?

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Re: [MBZ] '79 240D alternator mystery solved (?)

[Jim Cathey]

Well according to my Indy-the regulator probably looked more like slut
air had gotten to it.   Just drove it home-fine so far.


So _that's_ how you get a blown regulator.  Whodathunkit?

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] '79 240D alternator mystery solved (?)

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Well according to my Indy-the regulator probably looked more like slut
air had gotten to it.   Just drove it home-fine so far. 
Dwight

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


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> There is such a thing as slat air but you'd have to be referring to an

> aircraft.

Then there's slut air, used for never mind.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] '79 240D alternator mystery solved (?)

[Jim Cathey]

There is such a thing as slat air but you'd have to be referring to an
aircraft.


Then there's slut air, used for never mind.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 201 status

[Jim Cathey]

Jim eats breakfast at 11:45 AM, in case anyone has wondered.


No, more like 8-9AM.  It's just that I get up early, usually
when the sun hits me in the eye.  The real problem is, many
days nothing much gets done _after_ breakfast!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Toyota diesels

[Jim Cathey]

Since these sorts of publications are
carefully proofread, I doubt it's a typo.


I don't, necessarily.  Seen plenty of errors in ad. copy myself over
the years.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Toyota diesels

[Jeff Zedic]

There was never any diesel RAV4 sold in North America. There are plenty 
of Toyota diesels sold in South America but I'm not sure about the RAV4 
as it's only a city slicker SUVnthing that would hold up on the SA 
roads..


For that they have the Landcruiser diesels and the Kijang diesel. Not 
tomention the Hilux and Hilux Surf models.


Toyota makes a decent diesel or the ROTW.they "reverse engineered" 
MB diesels to get theirsif you take a look under the hood of a 
Landcruiser diesel you'll see a nice copy of a OM615/616/617spooky!



Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] It couldn't be any hooter er hotter here.

[Potter, Tom E]

We just want to SHARE our experience. :)

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] It couldn't be any hooter er hotter here.

Tom P. wrote: 

 

"Quityourbellyaching! That is normal weather for Houston for 9 months
out of the year, 98 degrees F with 90 percent humidity. We are not in
Hell, but you can see it from here."

 

That is exactly my point. If I wanted to experience Houston weather, I
would live in Houston.  

 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129K 

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Re: [MBZ] It couldn't be any hooter er hotter here.

[Donald Snook]

Tom P. wrote: 

 

"Quityourbellyaching! That is normal weather for Houston for 9 months
out of the year, 98 degrees F with 90 percent humidity. We are not in
Hell, but you can see it from here."

 

That is exactly my point. If I wanted to experience Houston weather, I
would live in Houston.  

 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129K 

Re: [MBZ] Toyota diesels

[archer]

This was a two page four color insert to the St. Petersburg, Florida Times 
newspaper.  There were two diesels pictured in boxes with the word "diesel" 
in big artwork letters in the bottom of each picture:  The 2002 Toyota Rav 4 
and a 2002 Ford F-150 Supercab XLT.  Since these sorts of publications are 
carefully proofread, I doubt it's a typo.  It may be greymarket.  I wonder 
if they're sold in Canada?  If anyone is interested, the price is $13,999 
and the Tel number is 727-233-8377.

Gerry

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what do you mean listed as a diesel?  listed where?  Its probably a
typo, or its a grey market car.  They did have a diesel in the UK but
not over here.

archer wrote:


Saw a 2002 Toyota RAV 4  4WD SUV listed as a "Diesel" at a Ford dealer in
the Tampa Bay area.  Couldn't find any reference to a diesel RAV 4 in old
copies of Consumers Reports; only the gas burner version which gets 22 
mpg.
Would be interesting to know what kind of fuel mileage this diesel 
version

gets, who makes the engine,  and if new versions are available.
Gerry Archer
'83 300D and 240D


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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck sighting in Oregon

[Luther Gulseth]

Can you send us the UPC code for this so we can look for it locally

Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Not sure if this is still of interest to anyone since there hasn't been a
> lot of oil discussion lately (who am I kidding?), but I saw the elusive
> Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck today.  This was at the big new G.I. Joe's (a PNW
> chain of sporting goods stores) on SE 82nd and Johnson Creek Blvd in
> Portland.  $22.79 per gallon.  Photographic proof attached!
> 
> Alex Chamberlain
> '87 300D Turbo
> '93 Isuzu Trooper
> 



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'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)

Re: [MBZ] 201 status

[Harry Watkins]

Jim eats breakfast at 11:45 AM, in case anyone has wondered.

Nice write up Jim.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans

> Yesterday morning it [AC system] still had a full vacuum on it.
> Looking _very_ good!  Unfortunately the pressure switch doesn't
> seem to work, nor did the spare on the parts car.
> 
> Went to the U-Pull and got the 190E's auxiliary fan and its pressure
> switch.  Also picked up a headlight assembly, for merging with the one
> that's missing a mounting ear.  (Cut and glue?)  Got the headlight
> mount, too, the plastic one below the light, as one of mine is broken.
> 
> I powered up the fan on a battery charger and it worked fine.
> However, the fan didn't install too easily because of the damage from
> that past wreck.  It did eventually go in, and it doesn't even
> interfere with the condensor which is a bit of a surprise considering
> the condensor's bent-ness.  One complication was getting the fan
> standoffs (which were also missing) in place: I dropped a sheet metal
> screw down between condensor and radiator where it lodged point-in.
> Each attempt to pry the two delicate items apart to look for or to try
> to retrieve it wedged it in tighter.  It didn't seem to penetrate,
> however, and I was eventually able to fish it out with a magnet.  I
> had to pull the headlight to route the wire, and it seems to me I
> should have gotten the headlight mount plastic top bits as well.
> Sigh.
> 
> The pressure switch installed easily, and works properly.  That, at
> least, is a relief.  Using compressed air I got the other two switches
> responding, but I wouldn't use them except in an emergency.  (Or at
> all if it cost more than $7 to charge the AC system.)
> 
> Today...
> 
> The AC held pressure overnight, so I started it up.  What a drag, the
> auxiliary fan runs all the time and the compressor not at all.  Time
> to dive in!  The drier's switches for compressor and fan both seem OK.
> Off to the manuals, I guess.  There are relays involved in both
> functions, it's not as simple as the circuitry in earlier cars.  Using
> the ETM I tracked down the fan temperature sensor and unplugged it.
> The fan stopped.  Great, a bad sensor.  I took a small hammer and
> tapped on the sensor body with it reconnected and the fan shut off.
> I've seen this before, sometimes it's enough just to do that, the
> sensor is merely stuck and will behave itself in future.  We'll see.
> 
> I used a jumper to short out both the engine temperature sensor and
> the drier overtemperature switch.  The former runs the auxiliary fan
> at high speed, the latter, low.  Good.  The fan system seems to be OK
> now, modulo that sticky sensor.
> 
> Nah, that sensor's no good.  Its other contact turns off the AC
> compressor, and it's stuck too.  Unplugging it resulted in the
> compressor running normally.  Banging on the sensor did nothing to
> relieve this problem.  I have a spare sensor that I'd bought for
> my wife's 560 SL last year, which developed a stuck fan contact,
> but that problem cleared itself up before I could install the new
> sensor.  It's been sitting on a shelf since, I'll probably put it in
> this car.  The full-throttle switch atop the intake manifold also
> works to shut off the AC compressor, as it should.
> 
> While doing this testing I noticed a large fuel leak out of the
> injector return line between #'s 2-3.  That's new.  I pulled it off
> and replaced it with new line.
> 
> I started putting in a test charge of refrigerant.  It fills slowly,
> perhaps because it's not too warm out yet today, or perhaps because
> there is a restriction in the low-side valving.  (I've seen that
> before.)  But I was able to get a fair amount of test refrigerant in
> there and I was starting to get reasonable pressures.  Unfortunately
> my vent temperatures never got very low, and I thought I even detected
> some heat coming out the center vent.  The sight glass showed plenty
> of refrigerant flow.  (Very foamy, as is normal for this refrigerant.)
> So I pulled the access panels to the water valve and had a look.  It's
> not always shut off properly.  I don't know if it's a control problem
> or a vacuum leak problem, this will bear some looking into.  I
> manually pulled the valve shut, and then I could feel the vacuum
> system kick in, but that never really changed anything at the vents.
> The water pipe remained pretty hot.  I wonder if the water valve
> leaks?  (I know it can take awhile to pull the heat out of the heater
> core at summer temperatures.)  Gotta dive into that too.
> 
> Only one of the horns works.  Shoulda grabbed that horn bar at the
> U-Pull!  Maybe I'll go back to get the horns, and have a look for
> water valves, etc.  Must remember to grab the headlight mounting
> plastic bits too.  Time for breakfast again!
> 
> -- Jim

[MBZ] Priming the Oil System

[ned kleinhenz]

I noticed that JB Hebert recently mentioned that he "manually primed the
lubrication system through the pressure sender fitting" when he was ready to
restart his 606 engine after working on the oil pump.

His statement make me consider that maybe I should be doing something like
this before I restart my 606 engine.

What is the reason for priming?

Are we worried the oil pump will not be able to develop suction?

Are we concerned the bearings may run (kind of) dry for too long?

Can anybody describe the procedure and equipment to do this?

Would cranking the engine for a long time before it starts accomplish the
same thing?

Thanks for your help,

Ned Kleinhenz
'95 E300D x2
'85 300D
'80 300TD

[MBZ] eba seller on crack

[Luther Gulseth]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270009732640

bidding starts at $1500 and the reserve isn't met yet!

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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)

Re: [MBZ] '79 240D alternator mystery solved (?)

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

I was trying to think of where there might really be such a term-flying
did occur to me although I know nothing  about flying except as a
frequent flier.
Dwight

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


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There is such a thing as slat air but you'd have to be referring to an
aircraft.

On 7/20/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That is obviously salt air not slat air. Slat air is what you get when

> you run fast on the Bonneville salt flats. Sorry about the typo. 
> Dwight
>
> Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.
>
>
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> Jr
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> Subject: [MBZ] '79 240D alternator mystery solved (?)
>
>
> I just talked to my Indy-'new' reman Bosch is on the green Goddess and

> it charges fine.  They did tear this one apart and found the inside 
> all corroded.  He thinks it is because it has been sitting a lot her 
> it the slat air since I bough the 300D 2.5t.  I have noticed that 
> under hood of my Forester and the 240D showing increasing white 
> corrosion spots-esp. on the  h aluminum.  So I guess more Italian 
> tune-ups on the 240D to heat up the alternator and engine compartment 
> and to force air through to dry it up.  Will pick it up today. Thanks

> to all who replied with good suggestions-I have saved them in case 
> this reman bites the corrosion in a few months. Dwight
>
>
> Dwight Giles, Jr
> 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
> 1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
> Wickford, RI
> Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.
>
>
> -
>
>
> Just had the 3rd remanufactured  Bosch alternator go out and need to 
> be replaced on the Green Goddess.. This is the third one in a little 
> over a year.  I know Curt Raymond that problem with his  240D and 
> Bosch reman alternators before he sold it. Anyone else have any 
> experience with these?
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Re: [MBZ] '79 240D alternator mystery solved (?)

[LT Don]

There is such a thing as slat air but you'd have to be referring to an
aircraft.

On 7/20/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


That is obviously salt air not slat air. Slat air is what you get when
you run fast on the Bonneville salt flats. Sorry about the typo.
Dwight

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


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Subject: [MBZ] '79 240D alternator mystery solved (?)


I just talked to my Indy-'new' reman Bosch is on the green Goddess and
it charges fine.  They did tear this one apart and found the inside all
corroded.  He thinks it is because it has been sitting a lot her it the
slat air since I bough the 300D 2.5t.  I have noticed that under hood of
my Forester and the 240D showing increasing white corrosion spots-esp.
on the  h aluminum.  So I guess more Italian tune-ups on the 240D to
heat up the alternator and engine compartment and to force air through
to dry it up.  Will pick it up today. Thanks  to all who replied with
good suggestions-I have saved them in case this reman bites the
corrosion in a few months. Dwight


Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


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Just had the 3rd remanufactured  Bosch alternator go out and need to be
replaced on the Green Goddess.. This is the third one in a little over a
year.  I know Curt Raymond that problem with his  240D and Bosch reman
alternators before he sold it. Anyone else have any experience with
these?


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Re: [MBZ] '79 240D alternator mystery solved (?)

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

That is obviously salt air not slat air. Slat air is what you get when
you run fast on the Bonneville salt flats. Sorry about the typo.
Dwight

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


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Subject: [MBZ] '79 240D alternator mystery solved (?)


I just talked to my Indy-'new' reman Bosch is on the green Goddess and
it charges fine.  They did tear this one apart and found the inside all
corroded.  He thinks it is because it has been sitting a lot her it the
slat air since I bough the 300D 2.5t.  I have noticed that under hood of
my Forester and the 240D showing increasing white corrosion spots-esp.
on the  h aluminum.  So I guess more Italian tune-ups on the 240D to
heat up the alternator and engine compartment and to force air through
to dry it up.  Will pick it up today. Thanks  to all who replied with
good suggestions-I have saved them in case this reman bites the
corrosion in a few months. Dwight


Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


-

 
Just had the 3rd remanufactured  Bosch alternator go out and need to be
replaced on the Green Goddess.. This is the third one in a little over a
year.  I know Curt Raymond that problem with his  240D and Bosch reman
alternators before he sold it. Anyone else have any experience with
these?
 

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[MBZ] '79 240D alternator mystery solved (?)

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

I just talked to my Indy-'new' reman Bosch is on the green Goddess and
it charges fine.  They did tear this one apart and found the inside all
corroded.  He thinks it is because it has been sitting a lot her it the
slat air since I bough the 300D 2.5t.  I have noticed that under hood of
my Forester and the 240D showing increasing white corrosion spots-esp.
on the  h aluminum.  So I guess more Italian tune-ups on the 240D to
heat up the alternator and engine compartment and to force air through
to dry it up.  Will pick it up today.
Thanks  to all who replied with good suggestions-I have saved them in
case this reman bites the corrosion in a few months.
Dwight


Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


-

 
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replaced on the Green Goddess.. This is the third one in a little over a
year.  I know Curt Raymond that problem with his  240D and Bosch reman
alternators before he sold it. Anyone else have any experience with
these?
 

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Re: [MBZ] 201 status

[Jim Cathey]

Yesterday morning it [AC system] still had a full vacuum on it.
Looking _very_ good!  Unfortunately the pressure switch doesn't
seem to work, nor did the spare on the parts car.

Went to the U-Pull and got the 190E's auxiliary fan and its pressure
switch.  Also picked up a headlight assembly, for merging with the one
that's missing a mounting ear.  (Cut and glue?)  Got the headlight
mount, too, the plastic one below the light, as one of mine is broken.

I powered up the fan on a battery charger and it worked fine.
However, the fan didn't install too easily because of the damage from
that past wreck.  It did eventually go in, and it doesn't even
interfere with the condensor which is a bit of a surprise considering
the condensor's bent-ness.  One complication was getting the fan
standoffs (which were also missing) in place: I dropped a sheet metal
screw down between condensor and radiator where it lodged point-in.
Each attempt to pry the two delicate items apart to look for or to try
to retrieve it wedged it in tighter.  It didn't seem to penetrate,
however, and I was eventually able to fish it out with a magnet.  I
had to pull the headlight to route the wire, and it seems to me I
should have gotten the headlight mount plastic top bits as well.
Sigh.

The pressure switch installed easily, and works properly.  That, at
least, is a relief.  Using compressed air I got the other two switches
responding, but I wouldn't use them except in an emergency.  (Or at
all if it cost more than $7 to charge the AC system.)

Today...

The AC held pressure overnight, so I started it up.  What a drag, the
auxiliary fan runs all the time and the compressor not at all.  Time
to dive in!  The drier's switches for compressor and fan both seem OK.
Off to the manuals, I guess.  There are relays involved in both
functions, it's not as simple as the circuitry in earlier cars.  Using
the ETM I tracked down the fan temperature sensor and unplugged it.
The fan stopped.  Great, a bad sensor.  I took a small hammer and
tapped on the sensor body with it reconnected and the fan shut off.
I've seen this before, sometimes it's enough just to do that, the
sensor is merely stuck and will behave itself in future.  We'll see.

I used a jumper to short out both the engine temperature sensor and
the drier overtemperature switch.  The former runs the auxiliary fan
at high speed, the latter, low.  Good.  The fan system seems to be OK
now, modulo that sticky sensor.

Nah, that sensor's no good.  Its other contact turns off the AC
compressor, and it's stuck too.  Unplugging it resulted in the
compressor running normally.  Banging on the sensor did nothing to
relieve this problem.  I have a spare sensor that I'd bought for
my wife's 560 SL last year, which developed a stuck fan contact,
but that problem cleared itself up before I could install the new
sensor.  It's been sitting on a shelf since, I'll probably put it in
this car.  The full-throttle switch atop the intake manifold also
works to shut off the AC compressor, as it should.

While doing this testing I noticed a large fuel leak out of the
injector return line between #'s 2-3.  That's new.  I pulled it off
and replaced it with new line.

I started putting in a test charge of refrigerant.  It fills slowly,
perhaps because it's not too warm out yet today, or perhaps because
there is a restriction in the low-side valving.  (I've seen that
before.)  But I was able to get a fair amount of test refrigerant in
there and I was starting to get reasonable pressures.  Unfortunately
my vent temperatures never got very low, and I thought I even detected
some heat coming out the center vent.  The sight glass showed plenty
of refrigerant flow.  (Very foamy, as is normal for this refrigerant.)
So I pulled the access panels to the water valve and had a look.  It's
not always shut off properly.  I don't know if it's a control problem
or a vacuum leak problem, this will bear some looking into.  I
manually pulled the valve shut, and then I could feel the vacuum
system kick in, but that never really changed anything at the vents.
The water pipe remained pretty hot.  I wonder if the water valve
leaks?  (I know it can take awhile to pull the heat out of the heater
core at summer temperatures.)  Gotta dive into that too.

Only one of the horns works.  Shoulda grabbed that horn bar at the
U-Pull!  Maybe I'll go back to get the horns, and have a look for
water valves, etc.  Must remember to grab the headlight mounting
plastic bits too.  Time for breakfast again!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: the "new" VW Rabbit.

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

dan says he hasnt seen any coolant coming out of it yet.

Christopher McCann wrote:

I gave the 76 240D to my friend. 
  
  There is some dispute as to what was wrong with the TD. Suffice it to  say, coolant was coming out of the engine where it was not supposed  to...bad gasket, cracked head...swapped it for the 240D, which at least  works.
  
  Kaleb knows the guy I swapped it with and supposedly thinks that it was  a $10 fix, but I don't believe it...especially since he won't say what  they think the problem is/was.
  
  Chris
  
  


kevin kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  -1985 300SD, 214K, "Wulf"


-1982 300Dt, 117K, "little blue klatter box"



What happened to the old 1974 240D and the 1987 300TD?  How cool to have a 
300Dt with such low mileage on it.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela AKA Granny who will hopefully be getting some 
of my time soon 



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 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] More Diesels from Damlier/Chrysler

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

They already have a diesel jeep liberty, the 07 will be cleaner because 
it will have a ton of emmisions on it and will have to burn that low 
sulpher crap.


LarryT wrote:

There's a new commercial showing the supposed president of CD talking about 
upcoming diesel powered Jeep Cherokee, etc having the cleanest diesel ever 
made.


Not many details but it looks like theres plan to offer more diesels -
found this news release -
- 
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2005-03-31-liberty_x.htm


Sorry if this is old news -

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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Toyota diesels

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

what do you mean listed as a diesel?  listed where?  Its probably a 
typo, or its a grey market car.  They did have a diesel in the UK but 
not over here.


archer wrote:

Saw a 2002 Toyota RAV 4  4WD SUV listed as a "Diesel" at a Ford dealer in 
the Tampa Bay area.  Couldn't find any reference to a diesel RAV 4 in old 
copies of Consumers Reports; only the gas burner version which gets 22 mpg. 
Would be interesting to know what kind of fuel mileage this diesel version 
gets, who makes the engine,  and if new versions are available.

Gerry Archer
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Re: [MBZ] I am in hell

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

oklahoma?

M.Afzaal.Khan wrote:


whereabouts is that temp?

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its 103 here with about 60% humidity, feels like 110.

Christopher McCann wrote:


I thought you meant that you saw at W116...then I realized you meant the 
temperature. Good grief. Hopefully you have little to no humidity with 
that. 104 in KC today + some humidity...it could be much worse.


Chris



Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 116 on the way home today

Bob in AZ


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Only 101? It's 107 here.

I know it's even hotter in AZ  I'm not complaining, just stating
the temp so Kaleb doesn't feel so bad.




Imagine it being 101
outside, unhooking the fuel lines from under the car, and having your
arms and back covered with gasoline.  That burns.  Had to come in from a
break but am fixing to go back out.




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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] OT: the "new" VW Rabbit.

[Christopher McCann]

I gave the 76 240D to my friend. 
  
  There is some dispute as to what was wrong with the TD. Suffice it to  say, 
coolant was coming out of the engine where it was not supposed  to...bad 
gasket, cracked head...swapped it for the 240D, which at least  works.
  
  Kaleb knows the guy I swapped it with and supposedly thinks that it was  a 
$10 fix, but I don't believe it...especially since he won't say what  they 
think the problem is/was.
  
  Chris
  
  

kevin kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  -1985 300SD, 214K, "Wulf"
> -1982 300Dt, 117K, "little blue klatter box"

What happened to the old 1974 240D and the 1987 300TD?  How cool to have a 
300Dt with such low mileage on it.

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela AKA Granny who will hopefully be getting some 
of my time soon 


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I haven't used my W116 300SD for a while. =20
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Started it today. It started right on but stopted after 15-20 seconds. W=
on't start again. =20
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I had a look at the small filter just besides the hand pump. It is clear=
 and carries diesel. =20
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I handpumped for a while (stopped when I got a blister...) but no diesel=
 is coming out of the pump. =20
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Re: [MBZ] It couldn't be any hooter er hotter here.

[Potter, Tom E]

Quityourbellyaching! That is normal weather for Houston for 9 months out
of the year, 98 degrees F with 90 percent humidity. We are not in Hell,
but you can see it from here.

Tom Potter

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Subject: [MBZ] It couldn't be any hooter er hotter here.

Yesterday in Wichita, Kansas it was 110 degrees in the city - 109 in the
suburbs.  Today the weather is predicting 110 again.  This sucks. 

 

Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] It couldn't be any hooter er hotter here.

[Donald Snook]

Yesterday in Wichita, Kansas it was 110 degrees in the city - 109 in the
suburbs.  Today the weather is predicting 110 again.  This sucks. 

 

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Toyota diesels

[Mitch Haley]

archer wrote:
> 
> Saw a 2002 Toyota RAV 4  4WD SUV listed as a "Diesel" at a Ford dealer in
> the Tampa Bay area. 

Toyota sold an electric SUV in the USA at one time, I believe it was based on 
the
RAV4. Never heard of a diesel Toyota SUV.

Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender

[Mitch Haley]

Zeitgeist wrote:
> there are lots of little changes between the engine series.  I suspect
> those challenges are easily overcome by determined DIY-types, but the
> engines aren't direct drop-ins in any case.

I'm reasonably sure the long blocks are interchangeable.
You either move the entire engine & wiring harness (if going 126 to 126)
or pull the IPs, manifolds, etc, and keep everything with the car but
the engine. All those bits are newer on the 350 anyway, no need to
replace them with 1987 parts.

[MBZ] More Diesels from Damlier/Chrysler

[LarryT]

There's a new commercial showing the supposed president of CD talking about 
upcoming diesel powered Jeep Cherokee, etc having the cleanest diesel ever 
made.


Not many details but it looks like theres plan to offer more diesels -
found this news release -
- 
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2005-03-31-liberty_x.htm


Sorry if this is old news -

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: the "new" VW Rabbit.

[mykd1]

Possible, on the VW website I frequent there are rumors of the diesel engine 
for the Rabbit. Most likeley it will be the same tdi they use in the Jetta and 
Beetle 
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
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Any chances of a diesel engine appearing in the thing in the US late 
next year?
I wish I still had the old Rabbit diesel I had 15+ years ago, that was 
one great little car ( the 60 mpg wasn't hard to live with either :-)

-Robert

Christopher McCann wrote:
> I heard about it and here's the skinny:
>  
>  http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/volkswagen_news/article_1727.shtml
>  
>  Nothing earth-shattering, just the latest Golf, called "Rabbit" for the US 
market. What I did not know was that the "old" rabbit was also a Golf 
everywhere 
else but US & Canada.
>  
>  Chris
>  
>
> Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
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[MBZ] Toyota diesels

[archer]

Saw a 2002 Toyota RAV 4  4WD SUV listed as a "Diesel" at a Ford dealer in 
the Tampa Bay area.  Couldn't find any reference to a diesel RAV 4 in old 
copies of Consumers Reports; only the gas burner version which gets 22 mpg. 
Would be interesting to know what kind of fuel mileage this diesel version 
gets, who makes the engine,  and if new versions are available.

Gerry Archer
'83 300D and 240D 

Re: [MBZ] W124.193 Rear arms

[Aaron Lam]

It's pretty straightforward once you have all the parts in hand. Keep
in mind that the original links have all been superseded to the
new-style ones on the W210 and you'll need a "bolt kit" for the
camber, thrust, and torque links. The toe link can be a bit stubborn
but should come loose with a BFH. The rear axle must be level when
torquing everything down. I did this by first measuring from the
center of the wheel cap to the fender lip, and then raising the axle
(underneath the spring arm) until the distance from center of the
wheel hub to the fender lip was the same as my first measurement.

-Aaron
1987 300D

Re: [MBZ] OT: the "new" VW Rabbit.

[Robert & Tara Ludwick]

Any chances of a diesel engine appearing in the thing in the US late 
next year?
I wish I still had the old Rabbit diesel I had 15+ years ago, that was 
one great little car ( the 60 mpg wasn't hard to live with either :-)


-Robert

Christopher McCann wrote:

I heard about it and here's the skinny:
 
 http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/volkswagen_news/article_1727.shtml
 
 Nothing earth-shattering, just the latest Golf, called "Rabbit" for the US market. What I did not know was that the "old" rabbit was also a Golf everywhere else but US & Canada.
 
 Chris
 


Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 214K, "Wulf"
-1982 300Dt, 117K, "little blue klatter box"
-1971 Case 222 Hydrive, "One Banger"

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Re: [MBZ] I am in hell

[M.Afzaal.Khan]

whereabouts is that temp?

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its 103 here with about 60% humidity, feels like 110.

Christopher McCann wrote:

I thought you meant that you saw at W116...then I realized you meant the 
temperature. Good grief. Hopefully you have little to no humidity with 
that. 104 in KC today + some humidity...it could be much worse.


 Chris



Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 116 on the way home today

Bob in AZ


- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] I am in hell




Only 101? It's 107 here.

I know it's even hotter in AZ  I'm not complaining, just stating
the temp so Kaleb doesn't feel so bad.



Imagine it being 101
 outside, unhooking the fuel lines from under the car, and having your
arms and back covered with gasoline.  That burns.  Had to come in from a
break but am fixing to go back out.




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Re: [MBZ] OT: the "new" VW Rabbit.

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no comment.

kevin kraly wrote:


-1985 300SD, 214K, "Wulf"


-1982 300Dt, 117K, "little blue klatter box"



What happened to the old 1974 240D and the 1987 300TD?  How cool to have a 
300Dt with such low mileage on it.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela AKA Granny who will hopefully be getting some 
of my time soon 



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Re: [MBZ] I am in hell

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Im going to find a bucket to catch it in this time.

Luther Gulseth wrote:


On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:07:15 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



and loose more fuel.



At $3.?? a gallon?  Sounds like you have DEEP pocket books.





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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] I am in hell

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

its 103 here with about 60% humidity, feels like 110.

Christopher McCann wrote:


I thought you meant that you saw at W116...then I realized you meant the 
temperature. Good grief. Hopefully you have little to no humidity with that. 
104 in KC today + some humidity...it could be much worse.
 
 Chris
 
 


Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 116 on the way home today

Bob in AZ


- Original Message - 
From: "OK Don" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:08 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] I am in hell




Only 101? It's 107 here.

I know it's even hotter in AZ  I'm not complaining, just stating
the temp so Kaleb doesn't feel so bad.



Imagine it being 101
 outside, unhooking the fuel lines from under the car, and having your
arms and back covered with gasoline.  That burns.  Had to come in from a
break but am fixing to go back out.




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Norman, OK
"The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
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Sir Winston Churchill
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 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] OT: the "new" VW Rabbit.

[kevin kraly]

-1985 300SD, 214K, "Wulf"

-1982 300Dt, 117K, "little blue klatter box"


What happened to the old 1974 240D and the 1987 300TD?  How cool to have a 
300Dt with such low mileage on it.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela AKA Granny who will hopefully be getting some 
of my time soon 

[MBZ] NorthWest MogFest 2006

[Zach]

Its nearly August, and time for the yearly spamming of all lists
mercedes...

Guess what!  Yu are all invited to join us at NorthWest MogFest 2006, a
private celebration of the *other* Mercedes collector vehicles, namely
Unimog off-road trucks.  In addition to the usual Unimogs you will also
find Pinzgauers, Haflingers, Hanomags, Syncros, and other odd european
off-road orphans.

NWMF is in sunny Sheridan Oregon, about 1.5 hours west of Portland,
this is a family-friendly laid-back get-together, more like a family
reuinion than a car show or a jeep jamboree...  Unimoggers are *at
least* as weird as diesel benz people so you all will fit in just
fine...

More details can be found at
http://www.northwestmogfest.com/nwmf2006/invite 
Or contact me offlist...

See you all there!

  -Zach

Re: [MBZ] Brits; what's wrong with these people?

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:15:00 -0400 Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Zeitgeist wrote:
> > 
> > Watch this four part series of wonton Mercedes abuse at your own risk.
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bIV_hHPAFQ&mode=related&search=
> 
> I get a "private video" message. Did I do something wrong? (mozilla
> firebird)

I saw the first two parts yesterday, but when I click on the link today I
also get the "private video" message.

Somebody must have changed something on the website. I saw a link on
Drudge that takes one to http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6095736.html
which is a story about YouTube sued over copyright infringement. Maybe
that has something to do with it.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] OT: the "new" VW Rabbit.

[mykd1]

The Fox was a Polo in europe 
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
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Christopher McCann wrote:
> Nothing earth-shattering, just the latest Golf, called "Rabbit" for
> the US market. What I did not know was that the "old" rabbit was also
> a Golf everywhere else but US & Canada.

Yup.  Also, the VW Rabbit Pickup was the VW Caddy elsewhere, and the VW
Dasher was the Audi Fox. The VW Fox was something else, too, but I don't
remember what.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: the "new" VW Rabbit.

[David Brodbeck]

Christopher McCann wrote:
> Nothing earth-shattering, just the latest Golf, called "Rabbit" for
> the US market. What I did not know was that the "old" rabbit was also
> a Golf everywhere else but US & Canada.

Yup.  Also, the VW Rabbit Pickup was the VW Caddy elsewhere, and the VW
Dasher was the Audi Fox. The VW Fox was something else, too, but I don't
remember what.

[MBZ] Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck sighting in Oregon

[Alex Chamberlain]

Not sure if this is still of interest to anyone since there hasn't been a
lot of oil discussion lately (who am I kidding?), but I saw the elusive
Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck today.  This was at the big new G.I. Joe's (a PNW
chain of sporting goods stores) on SE 82nd and Johnson Creek Blvd in
Portland.  $22.79 per gallon.  Photographic proof attached!

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
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Re: [MBZ] OT: the "new" VW Rabbit.

[Christopher McCann]

Been busy...work, fam, tons of crap around the house. I look at the list daily, 
just not much time to read it. Spare time goes into sleep or German class/study.
 
 I like your new sig - "BIODIESEL: No oil war required"
 
 Chris
 
 

LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You are still alive?  Where ya been?  
Hopefully not "making" daughter #8!

On 7/19/06, Christopher McCann  wrote:
>
> I heard about it and here's the skinny:
>
> http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/volkswagen_news/article_1727.shtml
>
> Nothing earth-shattering, just the latest Golf, called "Rabbit" for the US
> market. What I did not know was that the "old" rabbit was also a Golf
> everywhere else but US & Canada.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
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> -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, "One Banger"
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It is a 124 with a shitty looking aftermarket W210 front end.

Sad ghetto boy must own it.."hey baby, wanna ride wit me in ma benz?"



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Re: [MBZ] OT: the "new" VW Rabbit.

[LT Don]

You are still alive?  Where ya been?  Hopefully not "making" daughter #8!

On 7/19/06, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I heard about it and here's the skinny:

http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/volkswagen_news/article_1727.shtml

Nothing earth-shattering, just the latest Golf, called "Rabbit" for the US
market. What I did not know was that the "old" rabbit was also a Golf
everywhere else but US & Canada.

Chris


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Re: [MBZ] I am in hell

[Christopher McCann]

I thought you meant that you saw at W116...then I realized you meant the 
temperature. Good grief. Hopefully you have little to no humidity with that. 
104 in KC today + some humidity...it could be much worse.
 
 Chris
 
 

Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 116 on the way home today

Bob in AZ


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> Only 101? It's 107 here.
> 
> I know it's even hotter in AZ  I'm not complaining, just stating
> the temp so Kaleb doesn't feel so bad.
> 
>>  Imagine it being 101
>>   outside, unhooking the fuel lines from under the car, and having your
>> arms and back covered with gasoline.  That burns.  Had to come in from a
>> break but am fixing to go back out.
>>
> 
> 
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I heard about it and here's the skinny:
 
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market. What I did not know was that the "old" rabbit was also a Golf 
everywhere else but US & Canada.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Hey, what's wrong with this picture?

[LT Don]

I love the air freshener. Wonder if that came from Rusty or the local
dealer?

On 7/19/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yes, but it's missing the lowering job, and the tassel fringy things
around the windows.

On 7/19/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> no, thats 124 interior, and 124 rear end it looks like, but 210 front
> end.  Not to mention its "pimped"
>

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Re: [MBZ] Hey, what's wrong with this picture?

[OK Don]

Yes, but it's missing the lowering job, and the tassel fringy things
around the windows.

On 7/19/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

no, thats 124 interior, and 124 rear end it looks like, but 210 front
end.  Not to mention its "pimped"



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Re: [MBZ] I am in hell

[Bob Rentfro]

116 on the way home today

Bob in AZ


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Only 101? It's 107 here.

I know it's even hotter in AZ  I'm not complaining, just stating
the temp so Kaleb doesn't feel so bad.


 Imagine it being 101
  outside, unhooking the fuel lines from under the car, and having your
arms and back covered with gasoline.  That burns.  Had to come in from a
break but am fixing to go back out.




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Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender

[Zeitgeist]

That's probably the case for the vacuum/boost controls upstream of the
wastegate, but the version I have had a boost hose running directly from the
turbo to the wastegate, and it allowed me to run over 16 psi boost--that is,
before it began dumping copious amounts of oil into my exhaust stream (long
story - bad rebuild).  It's definitely a later model turbo because it
doesn't have the ARV incorporated into the inducer housing.   But like you
said, there are lots of little changes between the engine series.  I suspect
those challenges are easily overcome by determined DIY-types, but the
engines aren't direct drop-ins in any case.

On 7/19/06, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The wastegate opens on '90s Mercedes diesels when there isn't proper EGR
function or if there is excessive boost sensed at the intake manifold (I
believe). In the '80s OM603.96 engines brought to the US the wastegate
ONLY opened when boost pushed the wastegate open. LOTS of little
differences. The computers are VERY different.

Casey

Olympia, WA
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'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
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Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender

[Marshall Booth]

Zeitgeist wrote:

There must be a cutoff date for many of those things to appear, because I
have an IP and turbo unit from a '90 or '91 603.97 engine, and none of their
functions operate differently than my 603.96 engine.  I'd be willing to bet
the W140 w/603.97 engined cars all have the newer systems in place.


The wastegate opens on '90s Mercedes diesels when there isn't proper EGR 
function or if there is excessive boost sensed at the intake manifold (I 
believe). In the '80s OM603.96 engines brought to the US the wastegate 
ONLY opened when boost pushed the wastegate open. LOTS of little 
differences. The computers are VERY different.


Marshall
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[MBZ] this looks nice?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-1968-Mercedes-Benz-250S-with-A-C-CHEAP_W0QQitemZ180009323481QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Hey, what's wrong with this picture?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no, thats 124 interior, and 124 rear end it looks like, but 210 front 
end.  Not to mention its "pimped"


Jim Cathey wrote:


'96, not '86?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Hey, what's wrong with this picture?

[Jim Cathey]

'96, not '86?

-- Jim

[MBZ] Junkyard fun

[Jim Cathey]

So I'm at the U-Pull again today, and a guy asks me if
I want to buy his '79 280E.  Not I, I say.  I recommended
he pursue fixing its bad fuel pump and other little things
before sale, as otherwise he won't get squat for it.  He
agreed.  His wife hates the car, he loves it but it isn't
his daily driver.  Baby blue, cream interior, nice shape,
low (I forget the figure) miles.

And yes, I did forget an item or two at the yard.  Dinky
ones that aren't worth a trip.  Crap.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Hey, what's wrong with this picture?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

that is very strange indeed

Zeitgeist wrote:


hmmm, I can't quite put my finger on it...

http://houston.craigslist.org/car/177669215.html



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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] I am in hell

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

well I got the tank back in, put a couple of gallons of fuel in and 
fired her up.  Then discovered the return line to the tank(the rubber 
part) is spewing fuel out.  I knew I should have replaced that thing 
while i had it apart.  So guess tomorrow going to have to unhook that 
and loose more fuel.


OK Don wrote:


Only 101? It's 107 here.

I know it's even hotter in AZ  I'm not complaining, just stating
the temp so Kaleb doesn't feel so bad.



Imagine it being 101
 outside, unhooking the fuel lines from under the car, and having your
arms and back covered with gasoline.  That burns.  Had to come in from a
break but am fixing to go back out.







--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

[MBZ] Hey, what's wrong with this picture?

[Zeitgeist]

hmmm, I can't quite put my finger on it...

http://houston.craigslist.org/car/177669215.html

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Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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Re: [MBZ] Brits; what's wrong with these people?

[OK Don]

Someone posted a link to a news story about an MB that was run over by
a NATO tank (in Norway?) a year or two ago. The tank went over the
drivers side - about one tread width. It crushed the car to the top of
the door window sill. The driver and his wife were not injured. That
convinced me of the structural integrity of the MB.

On 7/19/06, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well, they used a bit more than wontons on that car, I especially liked
the energetic dissociations of various devices in the final reel.  It
was funny in one scene where the rear wiper was still trying to do it's
job with the window missing, the hatch all bent up.  If I ever get into
a crash with a monster truck I want to be driving one of these cars
(wait, I think I do).

--R



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Re: [MBZ] I am in hell

[OK Don]

Only 101? It's 107 here.

I know it's even hotter in AZ  I'm not complaining, just stating
the temp so Kaleb doesn't feel so bad.


 Imagine it being 101
  outside, unhooking the fuel lines from under the car, and having your
arms and back covered with gasoline.  That burns.  Had to come in from a
break but am fixing to go back out.




--
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Norman, OK
"The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the alternatives."
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] 420/560 ignition control module

[OK Don]

Because they designed them that way.  Same reason that my '90 300D 2.5
uses a different vacuum pump from the all the other 602 engines - both
before and after.



>
>>Anybody know why the ignition module would be different for a 420 and a
>>560?  I dont see why they would need a different unit.  Anybody?



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