Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am all for a flat tax. I will give away my mortgage deduction (TurboTax always points to standard deduction anyway, so why be buying a house?) if everyone would pay x% of income (NO loopholes) in taxes. Let's say 5%. if you make $20K a year, you pay 5%. If you make $10,000,000 a year, you pay 5%. Do the other Democrats know you feel this way? Have they tried to kick you out of their tree house yet? ;) Seriously, I've never heard anyone else who was a self-described liberal support a flat tax. Quite the opposite---it's usually the pet project of people who are unabashedly in the pocket of big business (e.g. Steve Forbes). Isn't a flat tax as regressive as you can get (short of charging a percentage inversely proportional to income)? It hits the poor a lot harder than the rich, surely. In your example above, 5% of $10,000,000 means one less condo in Lake Tahoe, new Bentley for the mistress, or splurge in Vegas... big deal. But 5% of $20K means Grandma doesn't get her heart medicine, or the kids don't get new winter coats. BIG deal. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Install diff in '83 300D
I'm getting ready to install a diff I found locally in my '83 300D. The CD says the muffler and pipe must be removed, the carrier bearing support must be removed, and the compression nut on the driveshaft loosened first. I don't see a compression nut on the rear drive shaft, and it looks to me like the diff could simply be unbolted, lowered on a jack, slid off the driveshaft, and the other diff installed. (All of this done after the axles were removed.) Am I missing something here? Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ot, cant access network drive
First thing I do is turn off simple file sharing: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304040 That gives you a permissions tab/button that allows you to give everyone full access. -Dave Walton On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to do some updating and stuff to a computer, which is hooked to my network here. Everything I want it shared, I have shared folders in network places, when I go to network places and try to navigate to a shared folder, it says access denied. When I try to map a network drive, it maps it, and you can see it, but if you try to open something or copy something to the mapped drive on the other computer, same thing. Earlier I could access the shared folder on the computer I am working on from my computer, but not vice versa. I installed a different legit copy of xp on the other computer, its running fine, but now it also says access denied. So what the hell, makes not sense. Sharing is on, everything looks good to me, so why wont it access? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs
What does Putin add up to? Brian On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's see... VICARIUS FILII DEI (Latin = the Pope) ads up to 666. Many held the Pope was the Anti-Christ. Anyone added up any of the new candidates yet? Hm... on 4/15/08 15:21 Uhr, John Freer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK you guys, fanatic gun owners and bible thumpers.I'm out of here. On 4/15/08, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is exactly what I was referring to. And in an attempt to alienate the rest of the list who are not ignoring this crazy talk: I'll go on to say that the interpretation of the text that I have been most inclined to believe is that those who have a relationship with Christ will be raptured out of the earth before this requirement to accept The Mark of the Beast is foisted upon mankind. And do I recall that it goes that those who remain on Earth and refuse to accept the mark will be beheaded? - Brian Barry wrote:Actually we are much closer than you may have imagined. My stepson is an audio-visual tech and runs those systems at trade shows of all kinds. He obviously gets to hear what is said and shown in those shows. He related to me, hearing something rather disturbing at a security devices trade show a year or so ago where the plan for future identification will be to implant an RFID chip in the palm of everyone's hand and one in their forehead. That way, when the systems wants to make a positive ID of you, it will read the chip in your forehead and compare it to a retinal scan of your eye, then read your thumb print and compare it to the chip in your hand. If it all matches, great, you are who you say you are. This can be implemented right now. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Makes you stop and think. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price!
Thats part of it. The other part is supply and demand. A lot of farmers, when they wanted more money, just planted more acres. The price kept going down because increases in technology made each acre more productive... -Curt Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:00:46 -0400 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Soybeans had been at $4.50 a bushel for decades. It NEEDED to go up, loads of farmers were growing below the cost of production. How's that, has it been subsidized? Allan -- 1983 300D - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Install diff in '83 300D
I've never removed a diff - but I have removed several drive shafts. I've never had to loosen the compression nut (it's in the middle of the shaft). You do have to slide the drive shaft forward to get it clear of the diff flange. In some cars you have to drop the center bearing mount to get enough movement to get the drive shaft clear. You might have to drop the exhaust to get to the center bearing. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:27 AM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm getting ready to install a diff I found locally in my '83 300D. The CD says the muffler and pipe must be removed, the carrier bearing support must be removed, and the compression nut on the driveshaft loosened first. I don't see a compression nut on the rear drive shaft, and it looks to me like the diff could simply be unbolted, lowered on a jack, slid off the driveshaft, and the other diff installed. (All of this done after the axles were removed.) Am I missing something here? Thanks, Gerry -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price!
They need to farm like I garden - there would be no excess supply, and there would be no fat people, just hungry ones. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats part of it. The other part is supply and demand. A lot of farmers, when they wanted more money, just planted more acres. The price kept going down because increases in technology made each acre more productive... -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Install diff in '83 300D
I'm getting ready to install a diff I found locally in my '83 300D. The CD says the muffler and pipe must be removed, the carrier bearing support must be removed, and the compression nut on the driveshaft loosened first. I I don't recall actually having to do that on the 240D I did, but my memory's not always the best nor are my notes. don't see a compression nut on the rear drive shaft, and it looks to me like It's there, forward of the center carrier. It tightens up the slip joint between the two halves. the diff could simply be unbolted, lowered on a jack, slid off the driveshaft, and the other diff installed. (All of this done after the axles were removed.) Am I missing something here? It might be possible, though trickier. There's a center pin for the driveshaft where it goes into the differential. By loosening the shaft you can compress its length, allowing easier assembly, etc. But I think you might be able to do it without, if you slide the diff onto it as you swing it up and into position in the rear subframe. (I lowered the subframe some on mine, else I couldn't reach the top bolts. But I note that I left the shocks and parking brake connected.) See: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html Search for differential, there'll be a lot of hits. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not exactly, Donald. Obama's plan would roll back the tax cuts on the wealthy (Dubya's friends) who pay a much lower percentage than I do as middle class, and probably, lower middle class, I paid thousands this year in taxes while some really rich folks found loopholes and paid pretty much nothing. This is a nice fantasy, but the reality is that the wealthy pay the overwhelming lions share of income taxes in this country. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I am all for a flat tax. I will give away my mortgage deduction (TurboTax always points to standard deduction anyway, so why be buying a house?) if everyone would pay x% of income (NO loopholes) in taxes. Let's say 5%. if you make $20K a year, you pay 5%. If you make $10,000,000 a year, you pay 5%. I could support a flat tax. Ideally the government should not be playing social engineering games with tax policy by granting deductions and credits for behaviors they want to encourage. Let people make financial decisions without complicating them with tax consequences. I believe people who have run the numbers have concluded that it would have to be a lot more than 5% though. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
They pay the overwhelming lions share based on percentage of income. In other words, they pay far more per dollar than we do because of their tax bracket. But the bulk of the tax dollars are collected from the lower middle classes. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not exactly, Donald. Obama's plan would roll back the tax cuts on the wealthy (Dubya's friends) who pay a much lower percentage than I do as middle class, and probably, lower middle class, I paid thousands this year in taxes while some really rich folks found loopholes and paid pretty much nothing. This is a nice fantasy, but the reality is that the wealthy pay the overwhelming lions share of income taxes in this country. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 4/15/2008 6:10 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 4/15/2008 6:10 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Install diff in '83 300D
You do all of this extra stuff to protect the carrier bearing support from damage. If you don't then the drive shaft hangs there, compressing the rubber support. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Install diff in '83 300D I'm getting ready to install a diff I found locally in my '83 300D. The CD says the muffler and pipe must be removed, the carrier bearing support must be removed, and the compression nut on the driveshaft loosened first. I I don't recall actually having to do that on the 240D I did, but my memory's not always the best nor are my notes. don't see a compression nut on the rear drive shaft, and it looks to me like It's there, forward of the center carrier. It tightens up the slip joint between the two halves. the diff could simply be unbolted, lowered on a jack, slid off the driveshaft, and the other diff installed. (All of this done after the axles were removed.) Am I missing something here? It might be possible, though trickier. There's a center pin for the driveshaft where it goes into the differential. By loosening the shaft you can compress its length, allowing easier assembly, etc. But I think you might be able to do it without, if you slide the diff onto it as you swing it up and into position in the rear subframe. (I lowered the subframe some on mine, else I couldn't reach the top bolts. But I note that I left the shocks and parking brake connected.) See: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html Search for differential, there'll be a lot of hits. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 4/15/2008 6:10 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 4/15/2008 6:10 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: They pay the overwhelming lions share based on percentage of income. In other words, they pay far more per dollar than we do because of their tax bracket. But the bulk of the tax dollars are collected from the lower middle classes. I guess we need to define what lower and middle classes are in terms of income .. charts I've seen show that the bottom 50% of wage earners pay less than 5% of the taxes. The top one percent pay nearly 40% of the taxes. Note we're talking about income taxes, when you add in state, local, property, sales, unemployment, social security, medicare, yadda yadda and all the other fees and taxes I can see where that might skew things downwards. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Install diff in '83 300D
RE: carrier/axle, it also helps recenter it after the diff is installed.The front diff mount nuts are impossible to get to in my experience. If you get it let me know how. I have read that a stubby 1/2 driver from HF with a good pipe on the end does the trick, I was never able to get enough torque on it. -Rolf Tom Hargrave wrote: You do all of this extra stuff to protect the carrier bearing support from damage. If you don't then the drive shaft hangs there, compressing the rubber support. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Install diff in '83 300D I'm getting ready to install a diff I found locally in my '83 300D. The CD says the muffler and pipe must be removed, the carrier bearing support must be removed, and the compression nut on the driveshaft loosened first. I I don't recall actually having to do that on the 240D I did, but my memory's not always the best nor are my notes. don't see a compression nut on the rear drive shaft, and it looks to me like It's there, forward of the center carrier. It tightens up the slip joint between the two halves. the diff could simply be unbolted, lowered on a jack, slid off the driveshaft, and the other diff installed. (All of this done after the axles were removed.) Am I missing something here? It might be possible, though trickier. There's a center pin for the driveshaft where it goes into the differential. By loosening the shaft you can compress its length, allowing easier assembly, etc. But I think you might be able to do it without, if you slide the diff onto it as you swing it up and into position in the rear subframe. (I lowered the subframe some on mine, else I couldn't reach the top bolts. But I note that I left the shocks and parking brake connected.) See: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html Search for differential, there'll be a lot of hits. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 4/15/2008 6:10 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 4/15/2008 6:10 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Isn't a flat tax as regressive as you can get (short of charging a percentage inversely proportional to income)? It hits the poor a lot harder than the rich, surely. In your example above, 5% of $10,000,000 means one less condo in Lake Tahoe, new Bentley for the mistress, or splurge in Vegas... big deal. But 5% of $20K means Grandma doesn't get her heart medicine, or the kids don't get new winter coats. BIG deal. Not surely. (Nobody earning 20k a year can afford heart medicine at all. [And why is it always heart medicine in the example? It's just as likely to be beer that is forgone.]) That line of argument has been proven to result in severely 'progressive' taxation, such as the 90+% rates that have been seen for the 'rich' in the past. (Rich being defined as anyone making just enough more than the median income of voters, and/or anyone _thought_ to be able to have a condo in Tahoe or a Bentley.) The trouble with that is that it is an extreme DIS-incentive for those proven productive to become more productive. Want a Bentley? Want to have to work several times harder to get one than your not-so-rich neighbor? No? Then don't bother, and who suffers? Bentley, for example. And anyone who works there, such as the production line laborers. Or else the 'rich' leave the country, or at least move their business off to more friendly climes. An interesting thing about luxury goods is that they are often very labor-intensive. Anyone notice what happened to the Eastern US yacht-building industry when the oh-so-progressive luxury tax was first applied a few years ago? Tax those rich, yes sir, and put a lot of laborers right out on the street. I'm in favor of a flat-rate tax system. It's extremely fair. Nobody can bitch about it, unless they've already been taught that because they are 'poorer' they are more 'special'. You want to see righteous anger, see how society would treat the rich that tried to squirm out of their 5% (or whatever) taxes. You make a dollar, give a nickel to Uncle Sam. You make a million, give him $50,000. Your 'poor' guy smokes a few less cigarettes, your 'rich' guy buys one less car. But _both_ of them keep most of what they earn, and if human nature stays constant, later spend most of that. (And that's the big win in this scenario.) I could perhaps be talked into a poverty-level exemption, below which there were no taxes, but that would open up the game to endlessly moving that line around (upwards, I'd imagine), and it would place a huge barrier (or an incentive to deception) at the point where you rose above the line. It would have to be set at a level that was truly poverty, such that NOBODY would want to stay on the low side of it. And I think little enough of human nature that it wouldn't stay there long. Best to set a flat rate and be done with it. You change the rate and it affects EVERYBODY, none of that BS about voting a tax change for somebody else. (And that's the truly evil part of our system today.) A flat tax system is a unifying influence, instead of a divisive one. Our society could use a few more of those, it seems. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tax Rant
I think our system works fine, someone has to pay the bills our electorate runs
up.
I pay taxes on income Capitol gains with great pleasure, there were lean
years with no income that I paid nothing. Those were not good years.
I would vote to increase the Sin taxes {Booze, Gambling, Tobacco} these are
discretionary and most have secondary costs to our health system.
I would also increase taxes on off shore investments and earnings, help level
the playing field.
Oh, I gave 10+% of my income to charities, THAT I GOT TO NAME. I've had a good
year and was happy to be able to do that. In a way, I get to name the
beneficiary of my taxes this way.
I feel no guilt whatsoever in taking the deductions for those documented gifts.
Why should I? If I can share more or less next year, I will also take
appropriate deductions.
YMMV,
Pete
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From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wonko the Sane said:
Not exactly, Donald. Obama's plan would roll back the tax cuts on the
wealthy (Dubya's friends) who pay a much lower percentage than I do as
middle class, and probably, lower middle class, I paid thousands this
year in taxes while some really rich folks found loopholes and paid pretty
much nothing.
This is a nice fantasy, but the reality is that the wealthy pay the
overwhelming lions share of income taxes in this country.
Allan
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Re: [MBZ] anyone know anything about Dodge Intrepids?
Harry wrote: I'd be cautious with the Taurus because of the tranny problems and the Olds wasn't much better with their electrical system. What electrical system problems? Please elaborate. Donald H. Snook 1997 Ford Explorer (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Allan, I could be wrong, but research the numbers behind the chart. I read some research a while ago that explained that the bottom 50% of the wage earners pay less than 5% of their earnings in taxes and this agrees with your statement. But the bulk of the entire tax bill was paid by the same wage earners. This works because for every rich person, there are hundreds of working class folks. In other words, they are getting a dollar from me, a dollar from you, a dollar from every other wage earner and $10 from the rich guy up the street. He's paying a much higher percentage in taxes than we are but all of our dollars go into a much larger pile of money than his $10. This isn't system out of balance, neither is it wrong. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: They pay the overwhelming lions share based on percentage of income. In other words, they pay far more per dollar than we do because of their tax bracket. But the bulk of the tax dollars are collected from the lower middle classes. I guess we need to define what lower and middle classes are in terms of income .. charts I've seen show that the bottom 50% of wage earners pay less than 5% of the taxes. The top one percent pay nearly 40% of the taxes. Note we're talking about income taxes, when you add in state, local, property, sales, unemployment, social security, medicare, yadda yadda and all the other fees and taxes I can see where that might skew things downwards. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 4/15/2008 6:10 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 4/15/2008 6:10 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
But the bulk of the tax dollars are collected from the lower middle classes. Is that not fair? That's the bulk of the people, and presumably where the bulk of benefits reaped from taxation are seen. Or are we proposing that there be 'tax slaves'? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs
Given the different alphabets used [which tend to change over the centuries] that number [and there is some question as to 666 being the number intended - and you certainly can't look it up in English and be sure] can be used to refer to almost anyone. Using the Hebrew alphabet from before or after the insertion of vowels, for instance, or using the Latin alphabet, or Greek will give different results. Nero was the most likely candidate at the time. You can be sure that anyone who suggests it refers to anyone today started out with that person in mind then figured a way to use the alphabet they needed to make it add up. They will pretend they are doing exegesis [reading out of the text], but in fact are doing isogesis [reading a desired meaning into the text]. We can be sure that someone writing when those passages were written was not referring to implanted chips or to a position that did not then exist. It had to make sense at the time or it would not have been written or passed on. Somehow I doubt we want to get into that sort of discussion here, though. Entertaining, but even further OT than guns or politics. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 301,111 miles - getting a rebuilt injection pump today - hopefully the last of the big expenses for a few years -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs Let's see... VICARIUS FILII DEI (Latin = the Pope) ads up to 666. Many held the Pope was the Anti-Christ. Anyone added up any of the new candidates yet? Hm... on 4/15/08 15:21 Uhr, John Freer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK you guys, fanatic gun owners and bible thumpers.I'm out of here. On 4/15/08, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is exactly what I was referring to. And in an attempt to alienate the rest of the list who are not ignoring this crazy talk: I'll go on to say that the interpretation of the text that I have been most inclined to believe is that those who have a relationship with Christ will be raptured out of the earth before this requirement to accept The Mark of the Beast is foisted upon mankind. And do I recall that it goes that those who remain on Earth and refuse to accept the mark will be beheaded? - Brian Barry wrote:Actually we are much closer than you may have imagined. My stepson is an audio-visual tech and runs those systems at trade shows of all kinds. He obviously gets to hear what is said and shown in those shows. He related to me, hearing something rather disturbing at a security devices trade show a year or so ago where the plan for future identification will be to implant an RFID chip in the palm of everyone's hand and one in their forehead. That way, when the systems wants to make a positive ID of you, it will read the chip in your forehead and compare it to a retinal scan of your eye, then read your thumb print and compare it to the chip in your hand. If it all matches, great, you are who you say you are. This can be implemented right now. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Makes you stop and think. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Tom wrote: “80% of the tax burden is on the working class. Why? Because so much of our population is working class.” I think you are wrong about that Tom. According to the Office of Tax Analysis the income tax is highly progressive According to the most recent data available: “the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share. Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total.” Since the Bush tax cuts the following has happened: The share of taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers fell from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent. The share of taxes paid by the top 1 percent of taxpayers will rose from 32.3 percent to 33.7 percent. The average tax rate for the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers fell by 27 percent as compared to a 13 percent decline for taxpayers in the top 1 percent. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
In your example above, 5% of $10,000,000 means one less condo in Lake Tahoe It might be a big deal for the carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc. who build condos in Tahoe... and the interior decorators, the housekeepers, etc. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tax Rant
I think our system works fine, Not I, but it could be worse. someone has to pay the bills our electorate runs up. Our electorate has a bad habit of running up bills with the full expectation that someone _else_ will pay them. That's not good. Our taxes are collected by force. Such monies shouldn't be spent on _anything_ that can't justify being funded at the point of a gun. Other, more charitable endeavors should be entirely voluntary. No deductions, if it's worth doing it should be worth doing for its own sake. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Donald, Please do not confuse this forum with facts ;-) Pete, who is in the middle somewhere and trying to improve his position. -- Original message -- From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom wrote: â80% of the tax burden is on the working class. Why? Because so much of our population is working class.â I think you are wrong about that Tom. According to the Office of Tax Analysis the income tax is highly progressive According to the most recent data available: âthe top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this groupâs tax share has grown faster than their income share. Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total.â Since the Bush tax cuts the following has happened: The share of taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers fell from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent. The share of taxes paid by the top 1 percent of taxpayers will rose from 32.3 percent to 33.7 percent. The average tax rate for the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers fell by 27 percent as compared to a 13 percent decline for taxpayers in the top 1 percent. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DIY clearcoat [was: Exhaust question]
Curt Raymond wrote: Which is why I'm thinking more about rolling on new paint now. Rolling? Rustoleum? The guy with the white Corvair has recanted his support for Rustoleum, now recommends Interlux Brightsides marine top paint. http://www.rickwrench.com/50dollarpaint.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs
My favorite sci-fi author, Robert Anson Heinlein, wrote a novel named The Number of the Beast. In his book, 6-6-6 was six to the sixth power, to the sixth power (a very large number). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Donald Snook wrote: The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. This would be the people that Wonko says don't pay any taxes. He's been involved in Demoncrat party politics long enough that I'm surprised he still believes their lies. They are just trying to stir up hate against a scapegoat (people who have made a better life for themselves) to deflect attention away from themselves. Just like the Repugnant party stirring up wars against drugs, terrorists, whatever, every tyrant needs a scapegoat. In picking on a group of successful countrymen for their scapegoat, the Demoncrats have more in common with Hitler's National Socialists than the the Bush administration does. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DIY clearcoat [was: Exhaust question]
Which is why I'm thinking more about rolling on new paint now. I'll go with pretty much the same color (white)... After all I'm not looking to make it a show car. -Curt Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:58:22 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] DIY clearcoat [was: Exhaust question] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My experiments with spraying clear over the peeled areas were rather unsuccessful. On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No idea. I was just planing to spray bomb some clear polyurethane or whatever I could find on top of the mangy bits after wet sanding the edges. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs
If one is inclined toward Hebrew numerology 3 = a perfect number including the heavens, earth, and the regions below the earth; 4 = the four corners of [or all] the earth, so 7 = perfect completeness [4+3]. 6 is short of perfection [much like a 6 foot plank to cross a 7 foot gap]. 3 6's is a fullness of imperfection. As usual, interpretations depend greatly on the time period one is talking about as such understandings did change over the years. The numerology of the 666 would be Greek [they actually used the letters of the alphabet as numbers at one point [alpha = 1, beta = 2 gamma = 3, etc], though the number of letters in their alphabet did change over the years]. I don't think it at all possible to put every possibility out on the table and chose which one is 'correct'. We have to do the same thing in all instances when doing this sort of thing, which is to start with the answer we want then chose the method that fits the desired result. Like I said, entertaining, but only of use to support a preconceived answer. It also doesn't take much to get me started on such topics. I'll quit. Again. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs My favorite sci-fi author, Robert Anson Heinlein, wrote a novel named The Number of the Beast. In his book, 6-6-6 was six to the sixth power, to the sixth power (a very large number). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 82 300SD for sale in Reno
From Monday's Reno-Gazette Journal (RGJ.com) classifieds: '82 Mercedes 300SD Turbo diesel, 4 door, Full pwr. 164K mi., One owner, Mint $2000 775 846-1841 / 205 396-5626 no personal interest, and Reno is an hour away, but I will be up there on Sunday if anyone is interested enough in me doing a look see after they speak with seller. Steve **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Jim Cathey wrote: I could perhaps be talked into a poverty-level exemption, below which there were no taxes, but that would open up the game to endlessly moving that line around (upwards, I'd imagine), and it would place a huge barrier (or an incentive to deception) at the point where you rose above the line. It would have to be set at a level that was truly poverty, such that NOBODY would want to stay on the low side of it. And I think little enough of human nature that it wouldn't stay there long. Best to set a flat rate and be done with it. You change the rate and it affects EVERYBODY, none of that BS about voting a tax change for somebody else. (And that's the truly evil part of our system today.) I think the poverty level today is defined pretty reasonably... its $14k a year for a family of two. The high level approach they use to get to that number is the threshold below which families or individuals are considered to be lacking the resources to meet the basic needs for healthy living; having insufficient income to provide the food, shelter and clothing needed to preserve health. Sounds reasonable to me, and that is certainly something that will change over time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States I think what you were getting at is you are apposed to a relative poverty measure for taxes, and would prefer an absolute poverty measure. On this I would have to agree... otherwise you get into the problem of it bouncing around often and decided by the electorate instead of math/data/statistics. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
How would it affect anything? All the taxes we pay go into the big cesspool of WaDC and aren't spent according to their earmark. Fuel taxes, social security, education dollars, etc... I don't see a difference, our roads are still horrible Asphalt was never ment for traffic. Luther On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:34:18 -0500, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a big McCain fan but dropping gasoline taxes is a very bad idea. Federal fuel taxes are used to keep the interstate highways in repair to build new highways. Drop fuel taxes and the funds have to come from somewhere else. So, where should they pull the replacement funds from - Social Security? Or maybe they should not pull from anywhere else and further increase the federal debt? This is just a carefully crafted ploy to grab the public's attention. I seriously doubt that the Federal government can afford to drop fuel taxes for a summer. I'm still a McCain fan - I just understand that he is a Politician. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ot, cant access network drive
He like eXPerimenting Luther On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:44:16 -0500, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are you trying to do complex stuff with XP? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gartner predicts the collapse of Windows
A Win98 sized kernel would SCREAM at MACH 4 on todays hardware. Nice, especially if it has tons of 3D If it's stable (Win2k/XP esk) I might spring for a new OS Luther On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:48:04 -0500, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yawn, they haven't heard of Windows 7. Its in development and is purported to have a kernal size more like Windows 98 but on the NT type OS standard. Goodbye bloatware. Apparently Microsoft is listening and Vista will be the Windows Me of its generation. I know I know, I'll believe it when I see it. -Curt -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ot, cant access network drive
wonko has a point. try linux On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are you trying to do complex stuff with XP? On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to do some updating and stuff to a computer, which is hooked to my network here. Everything I want it shared, I have shared folders in network places, when I go to network places and try to navigate to a shared folder, it says access denied. When I try to map a network drive, it maps it, and you can see it, but if you try to open something or copy something to the mapped drive on the other computer, same thing. Earlier I could access the shared folder on the computer I am working on from my computer, but not vice versa. I installed a different legit copy of xp on the other computer, its running fine, but now it also says access denied. So what the hell, makes not sense. Sharing is on, everything looks good to me, so why wont it access? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
My dream world is a flat tax AND abolish Social Security. How about that for an economic stimulus package? Everyone in the nation could receive a 14% raise. Then require that they invest at least 7% of their income into an approved 401K like fund and they can do as they please with the rest. Obviously, some employers would be greedy and not give their employees the extra 7%, they're just buttheads... Personally, I already invest 8% of my own income in a 401K (employer matches an aditional 4%) and would LOVE the extra from SS. I would increase my investment to 15% or more if given my SS$$ back. This doesn't include aditional monthly/quarterly investments for retirement/savings. Luther On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:52:14 -0500, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not exactly, Donald. Obama's plan would roll back the tax cuts on the wealthy (Dubya's friends) who pay a much lower percentage than I do as middle class, and probably, lower middle class, I paid thousands this year in taxes while some really rich folks found loopholes and paid pretty much nothing. I am all for a flat tax. I will give away my mortgage deduction (TurboTax always points to standard deduction anyway, so why be buying a house?) if everyone would pay x% of income (NO loopholes) in taxes. Let's say 5%. if you make $20K a year, you pay 5%. If you make $10,000,000 a year, you pay 5%. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anyone know anything about Dodge Intrepids?
Had a Taurus and a Sable. Lots of other things went wrong but never had trouble with the transmission. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:39 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] anyone know anything about Dodge Intrepids? I'd be cautious with the Taurus because of the tranny problems and the Olds wasn't much better with their electrical system. Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] anyone know anything about Dodge Intrepids? Gary wrote: why not just get a cheap 240D? Because diesel is $4.19/gallon and the intrepids get 38-30 mpg on the highway AT much lower fuel cost. I am also considering such cars as an Older Honda Accord, a 2000-2003 Taurus, an Oldsmobile Intrigue, an older Camry, a Pontiac Grand Prix or Bonneville (or some other GM car with the 3800 prior to 2000) and, if I could find the right one, a 124 gasser. Donald H. Snook (1997 Ford Explorer -For Sale). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Install diff in '83 300D
Read the axle shaft RR proceedure ( http://www.gulseth.net/benz/35-620.pdf ). Follow this twice (tip: jack the diff higher to easily remove the axle shaft once it is loose on both ends). When you have the back cover off (and consequently the diff is free/floating/setting on your jack), loosen the 3 bolts of the flex disk to the differential. Set the drive shaft on a jack stand. Pull the differential toward the rear to free it from the ds/flex disk (the cover being off should give plenty of room for this) Installation is the reverse of this. Use this chance to install a new rear differential mount. Hope this helps. Luther, multiple axles RR here. On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:27:55 -0500, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm getting ready to install a diff I found locally in my '83 300D. The CD says the muffler and pipe must be removed, the carrier bearing support must be removed, and the compression nut on the driveshaft loosened first. I don't see a compression nut on the rear drive shaft, and it looks to me like the diff could simply be unbolted, lowered on a jack, slid off the driveshaft, and the other diff installed. (All of this done after the axles were removed.) Am I missing something here? Thanks, Gerry -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DIY clearcoat [was: Exhaust question]
Anyone know if metalic paint can be rolled on? Seems to me that would be a lot more difficult, but then again I've never tried it. Allan -- 1983 300D (silver metalic) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anyone know anything about Dodge Intrepids?
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry wrote: I'd be cautious with the Taurus because of the tranny problems and the Olds wasn't much better with their electrical system. What electrical system problems? Please elaborate. I had a late 90s Cutlass that had electrical problems. The doors and windows would decide when they wanted to work. Never located a short perse, but if I remember right it was one of the first digital GM cars, where the windows and such were computer controlled. (Ergo, instead of each switch being wired positive and negative to the window motor then the switch would open or close based on position and produce current, the all switches were wired to the BCU and the BCU would send a pulse across the system link to control different systems.) I think the BCU was confused. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] pcAnywhere
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will let you know. Let me see if this microsoft or other free stuff will work I think Microsoft has made RDP (Remote Desktop) free for Personal use. But I'm a UNIX/Mac guy, so I'm not 100% sure about that. Hunt around their site searching for Remote Desktop long enough though and I'm sure you'll find it. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] pcAnywhere
MS remote desktop will black out the target computer's screen, so is not what you are looking for in this case. It (RDC) does work with a target running XP or higher, and can be used from just about any OS on the client. There are RDC clients for 95/98, Mac, Linux etc. RDC also works on 2000 server with terminal services enables, NT4 terminal server, and server 2003/2008 with the right features turned on as targets. As has been previously been states, you want a free version of VNC, and Realvnc was suggested. get it! At 09:22 PM 4/15/2008, you wrote: I will let you know. Let me see if this microsoft or other free stuff will work Douglas wrote: Kaleb let me know if you want me to look for it.. Douglas. - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] pcAnywhere Oh Im sure it would be just fine. I dont know what version I had before but I can guarantee you that it was at least 10 years old or older. Douglas wrote: I think I have a copy of like 10 point something around here.. would that help? Douglas? - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: [MBZ] pcAnywhere Does anybody have a copy of this? I used to have one but lord knows where it went. Need to be able to monitor and/or control other computers on my network. Any other software that will do this? pcAnywhere is the only one I have used before. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anyone know anything about Dodge Intrepids?
Similar problems with the Sable. Mostly grounding issues I think but it had intermittent electrical problems for the whole time we owned it. Was the reason we traded it as it drove my wife crazy. Sometimes things worked and sometimes they didn't. Most frustrating was probably the windshield washer pump. When you need it, you don't want to find it does not work. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Booher Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] anyone know anything about Dodge Intrepids? On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry wrote: I'd be cautious with the Taurus because of the tranny problems and the Olds wasn't much better with their electrical system. What electrical system problems? Please elaborate. I had a late 90s Cutlass that had electrical problems. The doors and windows would decide when they wanted to work. Never located a short perse, but if I remember right it was one of the first digital GM cars, where the windows and such were computer controlled. (Ergo, instead of each switch being wired positive and negative to the window motor then the switch would open or close based on position and produce current, the all switches were wired to the BCU and the BCU would send a pulse across the system link to control different systems.) I think the BCU was confused. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anyone know anything about Dodge Intrepids?
Friend had a '97 Pontiac that had seemingly random electrical issues, they all pretty much went away when he had his aftermarket remote start system removed. Allan Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry wrote: I'd be cautious with the Taurus because of the tranny problems and the Olds wasn't much better with their electrical system. What electrical system problems? Please elaborate. I had a late 90s Cutlass that had electrical problems. The doors and windows would decide when they wanted to work. Never located a short perse, but if I remember right it was one of the first digital GM cars, where the windows and such were computer controlled. (Ergo, instead of each switch being wired positive and negative to the window motor then the switch would open or close based on position and produce current, the all switches were wired to the BCU and the BCU would send a pulse across the system link to control different systems.) I think the BCU was confused. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Guidance concerning a 280E
Hello All, I have a 1980 280E (European) that came to me with a lot of electrical challenges. I have over come all of them (I think???) except the front and rear turn signals as well as the emergency flashers. I believe my challenge there is with the relay. Can anyone tell me where the relay for this automobile might be? Dave H ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Guidance concerning a 280E
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I have a 1980 280E (European) that came to me with a lot of electrical challenges. I have over come all of them (I think???) except the front and rear turn signals as well as the emergency flashers. I believe my challenge there is with the relay. The conventional wisdom is to cycle the emergency flasher button a couple of hundred times, and maybe shoot some contact cleaner in there. The whole circuit goes through there and the contacts tend to get dirty and make trouble. More likely to be that than the relay. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't a flat tax as regressive as you can get (short of charging a percentage inversely proportional to income)? It hits the poor a lot harder than the rich, surely. In your example above, 5% of $10,000,000 means one less condo in Lake Tahoe, new Bentley for the mistress, or splurge in Vegas... big deal. But 5% of $20K means Grandma doesn't get her heart medicine, or the kids don't get new winter coats. BIG deal. Not surely. Actually I agree... I was just trying to throw IA Don a bone to encourage him to explain his position in more detail. [long pro-minimal-flat-tax argument snipped] Jim, you make very good points, although I'm not sure what a flat tax would give us that total abolition of the income tax and its replacement by direct use taxes wouldn't, and more fairly on the whole, by much the same argument. (Want to drive on public roads? Pay a toll proportional to use, maybe in the form of a gas tax earmarked for road maintenance and nothing else. Send your kids to public school? Pay tuition. Need help from the rest of society, because you can't afford the above or any other public service? You'll depend not on the government but on private charities funded voluntarily by the generosity of the many people who will be making more money than you once the income tax is abolished.) Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DIY clearcoat [was: Exhaust question]
IMHO, The right way to repair CC is to sand down to the primer under the color coat of the *whole* car - the reshoot the color followed by the clear coat - with hours and hours of sanding between each step. If you can take the car off the road for days/weeks or months (in my case) you can take your time and do it this way. If, as you say, you want a 20' (or farther) car you can feather the damaged area using 320 sandpaper then mask the area so everything doesn't get clear coated and using rattle cans spray several thin coats of clear. Once done you will need to color sand with 1000, 2000 and 3000 sandpaper followed by a buffer using several types of buffing compounds. Finally use a quality wax to bring the luster out - and probably look better than the other paint. ;-) Basically the easy method will results in easy results - usually unsatisfactory. Preparation is always the ki. Good luck - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] DIY clearcoat [was: Exhaust question] My experiments with spraying clear over the peeled areas were rather unsuccessful. On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No idea. I was just planing to spray bomb some clear polyurethane or whatever I could find on top of the mangy bits after wet sanding the edges. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ot, cant access network drive
No, logged in different. Where do you get to file permissions? OK Don wrote: File permissions and share permissions are seperate, and both need to be set. Are you logged onto both machines with the same account/password? On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its not complex Wonko the Sane wrote: Why are you trying to do complex stuff with XP? On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to do some updating and stuff to a computer, which is hooked to my network here. Everything I want it shared, I have shared folders in network places, when I go to network places and try to navigate to a shared folder, it says access denied. When I try to map a network drive, it maps it, and you can see it, but if you try to open something or copy something to the mapped drive on the other computer, same thing. Earlier I could access the shared folder on the computer I am working on from my computer, but not vice versa. I installed a different legit copy of xp on the other computer, its running fine, but now it also says access denied. So what the hell, makes not sense. Sharing is on, everything looks good to me, so why wont it access? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
The fair tax solves all those problems. The people who pay in are those who spend more of their money. The rich are going to spend more than a poorer person. And with that plan, all the illegals, people who make their money under the table, and people visiting from overseas will pay in, now they do not. Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am all for a flat tax. I will give away my mortgage deduction (TurboTax always points to standard deduction anyway, so why be buying a house?) if everyone would pay x% of income (NO loopholes) in taxes. Let's say 5%. if you make $20K a year, you pay 5%. If you make $10,000,000 a year, you pay 5%. Do the other Democrats know you feel this way? Have they tried to kick you out of their tree house yet? ;) Seriously, I've never heard anyone else who was a self-described liberal support a flat tax. Quite the opposite---it's usually the pet project of people who are unabashedly in the pocket of big business (e.g. Steve Forbes). Isn't a flat tax as regressive as you can get (short of charging a percentage inversely proportional to income)? It hits the poor a lot harder than the rich, surely. In your example above, 5% of $10,000,000 means one less condo in Lake Tahoe, new Bentley for the mistress, or splurge in Vegas... big deal. But 5% of $20K means Grandma doesn't get her heart medicine, or the kids don't get new winter coats. BIG deal. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Install diff in '83 300D
You do not have to remove the exhaust, but you will probably have to drop the subframe a little to get to some of the bolts. archer wrote: I'm getting ready to install a diff I found locally in my '83 300D. The CD says the muffler and pipe must be removed, the carrier bearing support must be removed, and the compression nut on the driveshaft loosened first. I don't see a compression nut on the rear drive shaft, and it looks to me like the diff could simply be unbolted, lowered on a jack, slid off the driveshaft, and the other diff installed. (All of this done after the axles were removed.) Am I missing something here? Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
you should REALLY study the fair tax, a flat tax just does not make sense when the fair tax is a much better plan. It is by far the most heavily studied and researched tax plan. Luther wrote: My dream world is a flat tax AND abolish Social Security. How about that for an economic stimulus package? Everyone in the nation could receive a 14% raise. Then require that they invest at least 7% of their income into an approved 401K like fund and they can do as they please with the rest. Obviously, some employers would be greedy and not give their employees the extra 7%, they're just buttheads... Personally, I already invest 8% of my own income in a 401K (employer matches an aditional 4%) and would LOVE the extra from SS. I would increase my investment to 15% or more if given my SS$$ back. This doesn't include aditional monthly/quarterly investments for retirement/savings. Luther On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:52:14 -0500, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not exactly, Donald. Obama's plan would roll back the tax cuts on the wealthy (Dubya's friends) who pay a much lower percentage than I do as middle class, and probably, lower middle class, I paid thousands this year in taxes while some really rich folks found loopholes and paid pretty much nothing. I am all for a flat tax. I will give away my mortgage deduction (TurboTax always points to standard deduction anyway, so why be buying a house?) if everyone would pay x% of income (NO loopholes) in taxes. Let's say 5%. if you make $20K a year, you pay 5%. If you make $10,000,000 a year, you pay 5%. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
As a self described liberal who supports a flat tax, you need to look at it more closely. There is a rebate of the tax for the $$ amount of the federal poverty level. If you make no more than that [and hence spend no more than that] you really are not paying any tax as the tax on necessities has already been given to you and everyone else [a prebate, if you want to use the term]. Tax is collected only on final consumer sales, so personal, corporate and business to business sales are tax free. No more IRS, no more inheritance tax, no more tax of any kind except for a tax on a sale to the consumer. Buy a lot, you pay a lot of tax; buy a little, you pay little tax. I suspect many of our corporations who have moved offshore would return, and there would be no advantage to setting up an account offshore as there is no tax here. No tax loopholes, no tax shelters. I am sure there would be some problems with it, but compared to what we have now it should be less. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am all for a flat tax. I will give away my mortgage deduction (TurboTax always points to standard deduction anyway, so why be buying a house?) if everyone would pay x% of income (NO loopholes) in taxes. Let's say 5%. if you make $20K a year, you pay 5%. If you make $10,000,000 a year, you pay 5%. Do the other Democrats know you feel this way? Have they tried to kick you out of their tree house yet? ;) Seriously, I've never heard anyone else who was a self-described liberal support a flat tax. Quite the opposite---it's usually the pet project of people who are unabashedly in the pocket of big business (e.g. Steve Forbes). Isn't a flat tax as regressive as you can get (short of charging a percentage inversely proportional to income)? It hits the poor a lot harder than the rich, surely. In your example above, 5% of $10,000,000 means one less condo in Lake Tahoe, new Bentley for the mistress, or splurge in Vegas... big deal. But 5% of $20K means Grandma doesn't get her heart medicine, or the kids don't get new winter coats. BIG deal. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
What you are talking about sounds like the fair tax, not the flat tax. With the fair tax, everyone gets a prebate on necessary items purchases, based of family size. Bill R wrote: As a self described liberal who supports a flat tax, you need to look at it more closely. There is a rebate of the tax for the $$ amount of the federal poverty level. If you make no more than that [and hence spend no more than that] you really are not paying any tax as the tax on necessities has already been given to you and everyone else [a prebate, if you want to use the term]. Tax is collected only on final consumer sales, so personal, corporate and business to business sales are tax free. No more IRS, no more inheritance tax, no more tax of any kind except for a tax on a sale to the consumer. Buy a lot, you pay a lot of tax; buy a little, you pay little tax. I suspect many of our corporations who have moved offshore would return, and there would be no advantage to setting up an account offshore as there is no tax here. No tax loopholes, no tax shelters. I am sure there would be some problems with it, but compared to what we have now it should be less. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am all for a flat tax. I will give away my mortgage deduction (TurboTax always points to standard deduction anyway, so why be buying a house?) if everyone would pay x% of income (NO loopholes) in taxes. Let's say 5%. if you make $20K a year, you pay 5%. If you make $10,000,000 a year, you pay 5%. Do the other Democrats know you feel this way? Have they tried to kick you out of their tree house yet? ;) Seriously, I've never heard anyone else who was a self-described liberal support a flat tax. Quite the opposite---it's usually the pet project of people who are unabashedly in the pocket of big business (e.g. Steve Forbes). Isn't a flat tax as regressive as you can get (short of charging a percentage inversely proportional to income)? It hits the poor a lot harder than the rich, surely. In your example above, 5% of $10,000,000 means one less condo in Lake Tahoe, new Bentley for the mistress, or splurge in Vegas... big deal. But 5% of $20K means Grandma doesn't get her heart medicine, or the kids don't get new winter coats. BIG deal. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Abolish income tax and charge a 20% across the board tax on everything that is non-food and non-clothing. Luther On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:18:06 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you should REALLY study the fair tax, a flat tax just does not make sense when the fair tax is a much better plan. It is by far the most heavily studied and researched tax plan. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
SLAPS SELF ON FORHEAD. Thanks Kaleb - Yes, I have been talking about the Fair Tax proposal for long enough that I forget there is also a flat tax idea. That one I am not for, the Fair Tax proposal I would support. BTW - Taken apart any decent 126 front seats lately? I still need that spring set for the seat, and the other stuff if you have it. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:35 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes What you are talking about sounds like the fair tax, not the flat tax. With the fair tax, everyone gets a prebate on necessary items purchases, based of family size. Bill R wrote: As a self described liberal who supports a flat tax, you need to look at it more closely. There is a rebate of the tax for the $$ amount of the federal poverty level. If you make no more than that [and hence spend no more than that] you really are not paying any tax as the tax on necessities has already been given to you and everyone else [a prebate, if you want to use the term]. Tax is collected only on final consumer sales, so personal, corporate and business to business sales are tax free. No more IRS, no more inheritance tax, no more tax of any kind except for a tax on a sale to the consumer. Buy a lot, you pay a lot of tax; buy a little, you pay little tax. I suspect many of our corporations who have moved offshore would return, and there would be no advantage to setting up an account offshore as there is no tax here. No tax loopholes, no tax shelters. I am sure there would be some problems with it, but compared to what we have now it should be less. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am all for a flat tax. I will give away my mortgage deduction (TurboTax always points to standard deduction anyway, so why be buying a house?) if everyone would pay x% of income (NO loopholes) in taxes. Let's say 5%. if you make $20K a year, you pay 5%. If you make $10,000,000 a year, you pay 5%. Do the other Democrats know you feel this way? Have they tried to kick you out of their tree house yet? ;) Seriously, I've never heard anyone else who was a self-described liberal support a flat tax. Quite the opposite---it's usually the pet project of people who are unabashedly in the pocket of big business (e.g. Steve Forbes). Isn't a flat tax as regressive as you can get (short of charging a percentage inversely proportional to income)? It hits the poor a lot harder than the rich, surely. In your example above, 5% of $10,000,000 means one less condo in Lake Tahoe, new Bentley for the mistress, or splurge in Vegas... big deal. But 5% of $20K means Grandma doesn't get her heart medicine, or the kids don't get new winter coats. BIG deal. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Actually, its 23%, no other federal income tax etc, no more irs. http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer Luther wrote: Abolish income tax and charge a 20% across the board tax on everything that is non-food and non-clothing. Luther On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:18:06 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you should REALLY study the fair tax, a flat tax just does not make sense when the fair tax is a much better plan. It is by far the most heavily studied and researched tax plan. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
I have you on my list, dont worry, but no I still do not have one yet Bill R wrote: SLAPS SELF ON FORHEAD. Thanks Kaleb - Yes, I have been talking about the Fair Tax proposal for long enough that I forget there is also a flat tax idea. That one I am not for, the Fair Tax proposal I would support. BTW - Taken apart any decent 126 front seats lately? I still need that spring set for the seat, and the other stuff if you have it. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:35 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes What you are talking about sounds like the fair tax, not the flat tax. With the fair tax, everyone gets a prebate on necessary items purchases, based of family size. Bill R wrote: As a self described liberal who supports a flat tax, you need to look at it more closely. There is a rebate of the tax for the $$ amount of the federal poverty level. If you make no more than that [and hence spend no more than that] you really are not paying any tax as the tax on necessities has already been given to you and everyone else [a prebate, if you want to use the term]. Tax is collected only on final consumer sales, so personal, corporate and business to business sales are tax free. No more IRS, no more inheritance tax, no more tax of any kind except for a tax on a sale to the consumer. Buy a lot, you pay a lot of tax; buy a little, you pay little tax. I suspect many of our corporations who have moved offshore would return, and there would be no advantage to setting up an account offshore as there is no tax here. No tax loopholes, no tax shelters. I am sure there would be some problems with it, but compared to what we have now it should be less. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am all for a flat tax. I will give away my mortgage deduction (TurboTax always points to standard deduction anyway, so why be buying a house?) if everyone would pay x% of income (NO loopholes) in taxes. Let's say 5%. if you make $20K a year, you pay 5%. If you make $10,000,000 a year, you pay 5%. Do the other Democrats know you feel this way? Have they tried to kick you out of their tree house yet? ;) Seriously, I've never heard anyone else who was a self-described liberal support a flat tax. Quite the opposite---it's usually the pet project of people who are unabashedly in the pocket of big business (e.g. Steve Forbes). Isn't a flat tax as regressive as you can get (short of charging a percentage inversely proportional to income)? It hits the poor a lot harder than the rich, surely. In your example above, 5% of $10,000,000 means one less condo in Lake Tahoe, new Bentley for the mistress, or splurge in Vegas... big deal. But 5% of $20K means Grandma doesn't get her heart medicine, or the kids don't get new winter coats. BIG deal. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
but you see, all the embedded taxes that are added to items now would go away, so the price on the shelf would actually go down roughly the same amount as the fair tax, so you really are paying the same amount now as you would be if we had the fair tax, except you would get to keep all your paycheck. Businesses would locate here instead of overseas, would be a win win for everyone. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Actually, its 23%, no other federal income tax etc, no more irs. http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer Luther wrote: Abolish income tax and charge a 20% across the board tax on everything that is non-food and non-clothing. Luther On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:18:06 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you should REALLY study the fair tax, a flat tax just does not make sense when the fair tax is a much better plan. It is by far the most heavily studied and researched tax plan. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
no more IRS should save nearly a billion in salaries each year. :D Luther On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:01:59 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, its 23%, no other federal income tax etc, no more irs. http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer Luther wrote: Abolish income tax and charge a 20% across the board tax on everything that is non-food and non-clothing. Luther On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:18:06 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you should REALLY study the fair tax, a flat tax just does not make sense when the fair tax is a much better plan. It is by far the most heavily studied and researched tax plan. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
OK, thanks. I will continue to eagerly await my turn. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes I have you on my list, dont worry, but no I still do not have one yet Bill R wrote: SLAPS SELF ON FORHEAD. Thanks Kaleb - Yes, I have been talking about the Fair Tax proposal for long enough that I forget there is also a flat tax idea. That one I am not for, the Fair Tax proposal I would support. BTW - Taken apart any decent 126 front seats lately? I still need that spring set for the seat, and the other stuff if you have it. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:35 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes What you are talking about sounds like the fair tax, not the flat tax. With the fair tax, everyone gets a prebate on necessary items purchases, based of family size. Bill R wrote: As a self described liberal who supports a flat tax, you need to look at it more closely. There is a rebate of the tax for the $$ amount of the federal poverty level. If you make no more than that [and hence spend no more than that] you really are not paying any tax as the tax on necessities has already been given to you and everyone else [a prebate, if you want to use the term]. Tax is collected only on final consumer sales, so personal, corporate and business to business sales are tax free. No more IRS, no more inheritance tax, no more tax of any kind except for a tax on a sale to the consumer. Buy a lot, you pay a lot of tax; buy a little, you pay little tax. I suspect many of our corporations who have moved offshore would return, and there would be no advantage to setting up an account offshore as there is no tax here. No tax loopholes, no tax shelters. I am sure there would be some problems with it, but compared to what we have now it should be less. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am all for a flat tax. I will give away my mortgage deduction (TurboTax always points to standard deduction anyway, so why be buying a house?) if everyone would pay x% of income (NO loopholes) in taxes. Let's say 5%. if you make $20K a year, you pay 5%. If you make $10,000,000 a year, you pay 5%. Do the other Democrats know you feel this way? Have they tried to kick you out of their tree house yet? ;) Seriously, I've never heard anyone else who was a self-described liberal support a flat tax. Quite the opposite---it's usually the pet project of people who are unabashedly in the pocket of big business (e.g. Steve Forbes). Isn't a flat tax as regressive as you can get (short of charging a percentage inversely proportional to income)? It hits the poor a lot harder than the rich, surely. In your example above, 5% of $10,000,000 means one less condo in Lake Tahoe, new Bentley for the mistress, or splurge in Vegas... big deal. But 5% of $20K means Grandma doesn't get her heart medicine, or the kids don't get new winter coats. BIG deal. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
HAHAHAHA. That is BS. Do you really think large companies like Wal-Fart will lower their prices when they know that people will pay them? Hell no, that's potential profit lost. Sheesh. On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:05:45 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but you see, all the embedded taxes that are added to items now would go away, so the price on the shelf would actually go down roughly the same amount as the fair tax, so you really are paying the same amount now as you would be if we had the fair tax, except you would get to keep all your paycheck. Businesses would locate here instead of overseas, would be a win win for everyone. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Actually, its 23%, no other federal income tax etc, no more irs. http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer Luther wrote: Abolish income tax and charge a 20% across the board tax on everything that is non-food and non-clothing. Luther On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:18:06 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you should REALLY study the fair tax, a flat tax just does not make sense when the fair tax is a much better plan. It is by far the most heavily studied and researched tax plan. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] pcAnywhere
RC was installed with XP by default, I believe. Maybe not the Home version, but the Pro version it was. I know because I use it daily at work. BTW, there was a Mac (OS X) RDC client, but they just dropped support for it. I use it, too, but it's sucky if you have a stock Mac mouse. Gotta have that two-button thing to really use it. Dan --- Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will let you know. Let me see if this microsoft or other free stuff will work I think Microsoft has made RDP (Remote Desktop) free for Personal use. But I'm a UNIX/Mac guy, so I'm not 100% sure about that. Hunt around their site searching for Remote Desktop long enough though and I'm sure you'll find it. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Luther wrote: no more IRS should save nearly a billion in salaries each year. :D For all the people who complain about taxes losing other people jobs (increased taxes on the rich - one less condo - condo industry going down - construction workers etc losing jobs) nobody seems too concerned about all the folks at the IRS losing their jobs. Just an observation (not trying to make a point... just noticing) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: HAHAHAHA. That is BS. Do you really think large companies like Wal-Fart will lower their prices when they know that people will pay them? Hell no, that's potential profit lost. Sheesh. If they did not, someone else would. That's competition. I'm not sure I buy into the premise that a 23% sales tax would result in LOWER prices at the retail cash register though. But I have to admit I have not studied the plan -- certainly the elimination of all the corporate income and employment taxes at the manufacturer, wholesaler, and distributor would have some effect. I doubt it'll never happen, so we'll probably never find out. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Luther wrote: no more IRS should save nearly a billion in salaries each year. :D For all the people who complain about taxes losing other people jobs (increased taxes on the rich - one less condo - condo industry going down - construction workers etc losing jobs) nobody seems too concerned about all the folks at the IRS losing their jobs. Just an observation (not trying to make a point... just noticing) First of all, there would have to be some form of IRS remaining to enforce the collection of this new tax. As described, it would be a much smaller IRS. And you're right, too bad about the folks losing their jobs. I never get an apology from them when they take my money. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - Anyone Got Any SDRAM Laying Around?
I'm trying to pick up a couple of pieces of PC133 512MB SDRAM for a project Mac I'm working on. If by chance you've got some laying around in the spares box, drop me a note off-list, please. Thanks, Dan Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
John wrote: For all the people who complain about taxes losing other people jobs (increased taxes on the rich - one less condo - condo industry going down - construction workers etc losing jobs) nobody seems too concerned about all the folks at the IRS losing their jobs. Don't forget the accountants, tax lawyers, HR Block People, regulators, state tax agencies, people who write the books on taxes, tax Law Professors, the software designers for Tax cut, the companies who supply the paper, pens, office chairs, light bulbs, coffee filters to the IRS. Millions of people would be out of a job and the companies who sell to the government would be wiped out. Donald H. Snook 1997 Ford Explorer (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 fuel system (Jim?)
I am just now getting things thawed out enough to get back to this project from Nov, just before the every other day snow storms hit. ( got snow in my face last sun!) I removed the glove box and the trim panel below the right dash. I did not find much for relays behind the glove box that looked like they fit this description. There were two large relay boxes behind the glove box. One is aluminum cased (about 4 x 4 x 1 1/8), and toward the firewall. Bolted to it is a black plastic cased relay of about the same size. The black one has a 12 pin plug in the bottom. The aluminum one has a 12 or 14 pin plug at the bottom. On the right side, above the fusebox are a series of ice cube relays. I pulled one, and it is a 5 pin plug. At the top of this series is a taller relay that looks like an overvoltage relay with the fuse on top (red cap.) If anyone can help to identify where the fuel pump relay is on a 1985 380SL, I'd appreciate it. TIA. At 09:00 AM 11/15/2007, you wrote: One or two electric fuel pumps under the car at the rear. Fuel filter Should be one in that car, if it's like mine. I think the 560's grew a second one. is adjacent, as is the pressure accumulator. Fuel pump relay is in the kick panel on the passenger side, I believe, but I don't know which one it is... You should find the relay and jumper it to run the pump and see if that cures the problem for a short while. If it does, replace the relay. You should also check the current draw -- a bad pump will roast a relay, and a new one won't last long, either. It's behind the glove box, right side. Black, oriented narrow edge forwards, pins down. (The kick panel has the small relays behind it.) Two rows of pins, one row longer than the other. You jumper across the two pins in the socket like so: A B C D E F G**H I The last two paralleled pins closest to you, leaving the one odd pin out. One is labeled 87 on the relay, the other is, IIRC, 30. Be careful, 30 is hot at all times. I use a switch with two pins salvaged from a wiring harness. I plug in the two pins, then I flip the switch. Should be about 5A or so, if it's like my car. -- Jim Original post: (11/15/07) Subject car is 85 380SL Has symptoms of fuel starvation. My thoughts are fuel filter or fuel pump in the process of dying. It will run fine, then die. After coasting to a stop, it can be restarted. Has a fairly new coil and ICU. (2-3 years old) Could be ignition problem of fuel startvation. AFIK, this car has an electric fuel pump in the rear. I assume there is a fuel filter somewhere around the engine. There is a tank strainer as in Diesels Any other ideas or suggestions. Winter cold is blowing in here, so I want to limit my time outside in the weather as much as possible byt figuring out what and where to check before I go out. Thanks, And forgive me as I am an old Dieselhead. These gasser contraptions confuse me. Loren Faeth Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 fuel system (Jim?)
From the photo on Rusty's site, it looks like the fuel pump relay should be a little smaller than a Klima relay. At 04:02 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: I am just now getting things thawed out enough to get back to this project from Nov, just before the every other day snow storms hit. ( got snow in my face last sun!) I removed the glove box and the trim panel below the right dash. I did not find much for relays behind the glove box that looked like they fit this description. There were two large relay boxes behind the glove box. One is aluminum cased (about 4 x 4 x 1 1/8), and toward the firewall. Bolted to it is a black plastic cased relay of about the same size. The black one has a 12 pin plug in the bottom. The aluminum one has a 12 or 14 pin plug at the bottom. On the right side, above the fusebox are a series of ice cube relays. I pulled one, and it is a 5 pin plug. At the top of this series is a taller relay that looks like an overvoltage relay with the fuse on top (red cap.) If anyone can help to identify where the fuel pump relay is on a 1985 380SL, I'd appreciate it. TIA. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gartner predicts the collapse of Windows
Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A Win98 sized kernel would SCREAM at MACH 4 on todays hardware. Nice, especially if it has tons of 3D If it's stable (Win2k/XP esk) I might spring for a new OS You can get an OS with a small kernel today if you look at alternatives to Windows Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
So, you are suggesting that we place even more of the tax burden on the rich? England did that, so does India. Why do you think so many of our Physicians are from those two countries. Capitolism works because those of us who are motivated and fotunate enough to excel are rewarded. Take peoples motivation to excel, for example - through excessive taxtation, and you will only drive these people to leave or rebel. That's what the American revolution was all about! Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 4/16/08 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes But the bulk of the tax dollars are collected from the lower middle classes. Is that not fair? That's the bulk of the people, and presumably where the bulk of benefits reaped from taxation are seen. Or are we proposing that there be 'tax slaves'? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 4/15/2008 6:10 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ot, cant access network drive
Open explorer (not I.E.), fond the folder that you shared and are trying to connect to. Right click it, choose properties, the security. That is where the folder/file permissions are set. There is also the sharing tab - that has the share permissions. The most restrictive permission is the one that takes precedence. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, logged in different. Where do you get to file permissions? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
I will hire some to work with me. That is if they don't mind working with the challenged instead of having a plush job in DC (don't argue with me, I used to work in DC). I make $14 an hour, so as my employee they will have to make less. They might have to change an adult diaper and can expect to be bit, spit on, and cussed out on a weekly basis. (Thank God it isn't a daily basis.) Given what the IRS folks have been doing for a living, perhaps hooker would be a good career choice. Yea, I know, they are just normal folks going to work. That is the problem with complaining about the government. Having spent a decade living in the DC suburbs, I understand that the folks we love to hate (i.e., the IRS) are just 9 to 5 folks who have a job. And they are just doing their job. D. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:14 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all the people who complain about taxes losing other people jobs (increased taxes on the rich - one less condo - condo industry going down - construction workers etc losing jobs) nobody seems too concerned about all the folks at the IRS losing their jobs. Just an observation (not trying to make a point... just noticing) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 fuel system (Jim?)
Nevermind, I found fuel pump relay. It is under the passenger kick panel, staring me in the face. It said 8zyl Kickdown, so I dismissed it as something to do with the trans kickdown circuitry. After I figured out the size and looked again, I figured out it was the one. The other thing that threw me off was that I was looking for an 8-pin plug. This has a 12 pin plug, but only 7 pins on one end are used. Now If I could only get the problem to re-occur when I am driving it. So far it only acts up when my daughter is driving, and I can drive it around and have no problem. Thanks again to Peter and Jim for helping out! At 04:30 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: From the photo on Rusty's site, it looks like the fuel pump relay should be a little smaller than a Klima relay. At 04:02 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: I am just now getting things thawed out enough to get back to this project from Nov, just before the every other day snow storms hit. ( got snow in my face last sun!) I removed the glove box and the trim panel below the right dash. I did not find much for relays behind the glove box that looked like they fit this description. There were two large relay boxes behind the glove box. One is aluminum cased (about 4 x 4 x 1 1/8), and toward the firewall. Bolted to it is a black plastic cased relay of about the same size. The black one has a 12 pin plug in the bottom. The aluminum one has a 12 or 14 pin plug at the bottom. On the right side, above the fusebox are a series of ice cube relays. I pulled one, and it is a 5 pin plug. At the top of this series is a taller relay that looks like an overvoltage relay with the fuse on top (red cap.) If anyone can help to identify where the fuel pump relay is on a 1985 380SL, I'd appreciate it. TIA. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
I understand that the folks we love to hate (i.e., the IRS) are just 9 to 5 folks who have a job. And they are just doing their job. Doesn't make the job itself any less evil, consider the gas oven guards. We can change the jobs our society depends on to something a bit more productive and/or respectable. Our present system does not have all the desired characteristics, and in fact fosters a lot of crime, resentment, deceit, and waste; a big change is warranted. I could buy into a transitional phase-in, with a fairly rigid timetable. (No slacking off.) I could buy into something even better than a flat tax, I was just figuring that it would be easier to actually implement. Baby steps, in other words. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
You'll depend not on the government but on private charities funded voluntarily by the generosity of the many people who will be making more money than you once the income tax is abolished.) That's what I want. Private charities don't perpetuate themselves at the point of a gun. If they don't work, they die, at least in the presence of a free press that's not a hired-out propaganda mill. Governments tend to hang on until people get fed up enough to violently overthrow them, then people die. That's much worse, it'd be nice to be smarter than that. That's the system the FF's tried to set up. People that don't feel oppressed tend to be more charitable, I think it could work. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
With the ever increasing costs of fuel, I feel the need to once again weigh the costs of operating the OM vs. the M cars. I'm currently addicted to the 124 chassis, so I'll limit the scope to the 300D 2.5 and the 300E. I don't know what the fuel usage of the 300E is, so I'll calculate back to what it would have to get to equal the cost of the Diesel engine. If the 300E uses less fuel, it's the better choice. If it uses more, the Diesel is the winner. Based on my usual commute to work, I get 29 mpg in the 300D 2.5, and drive it 12,000 miles per year. At the current $3.94 for Diesel, my annual cost is $1,477. Regular is $3.24 at the same station today, so the 300E would have to get 23.8 MPG to equal the fuel cost of the Diesel car. Since it's unlikely that fuel has reached it's all time high, I re-calculated based on $5.00/gal. Diesel and $4.00/gal. regular. the years fuel cost is then $2,069 for the 300D, and the 300E would have to get 23.2MPG. So - the question of the day is: how many MPG does a 124 300E get in real life - mixed city/highway driving??? Is there a significant difference in the fuel economy between the 103 and 104 engines in the 124 chassis? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Guidance concerning a 280E
I have a 1980 280E (European) that came to me with a lot of electrical challenges. I have over come all of them (I think???) except the front and rear turn signals as well as the emergency flashers. I believe my challenge there is with the relay. It's not, it's the switch. 90+% chance. The _best_ solution is to carefully pry the bottom off and clean it out. (There are little plastic hooks holding it together.) You can sometimes get away with contact cleaner and a lot of cycling, but once you've actually opened up a bad one you'll see why I'm not too sanguine about that. (The filth that accumulates in there is hard to believe.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Federal taxes should be no different than state sales tax at the register. But that is not my tax plan. Mine is x% of gross income. If I make (I wish!) $100,000 a year, then I pay -- taking 10% out of my butt -- $10,000 in taxes. I think I was at 40K gross last year, so I'd pay $4K in taxes. But I wouldn't have to file, because it would be withheld from my paycheck. And it is done. It is indeed regressive, but the best game in town. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand that the folks we love to hate (i.e., the IRS) are just 9 to 5 folks who have a job. And they are just doing their job. Doesn't make the job itself any less evil, consider the gas oven guards. We can change the jobs our society depends on to something a bit more productive and/or respectable. Our present system does not have all the desired characteristics, and in fact fosters a lot of crime, resentment, deceit, and waste; a big change is warranted. I could buy into a transitional phase-in, with a fairly rigid timetable. (No slacking off.) I could buy into something even better than a flat tax, I was just figuring that it would be easier to actually implement. Baby steps, in other words. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
About time for a new American revolution. We need to nominate new people, maybe new parties, and throw the bums out and sunset every law on the books so we can start with a clean slate. Go back to original intent, restrict the Federal system to enumerated powers and get out of the nanny business. oh, and repeal a few amendments. Like the 16th for instance. Osama Obama is right about one thing, the natives are restless, but he doesn't understand that it is because we are already overworked and overtaxes, and we have too many freeloaders, including politicians like him. The LAST thing we want are massive tax increases. At 05:22 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: So, you are suggesting that we place even more of the tax burden on the rich? England did that, so does India. Why do you think so many of our Physicians are from those two countries. Capitolism works because those of us who are motivated and fotunate enough to excel are rewarded. Take peoples motivation to excel, for example - through excessive taxtation, and you will only drive these people to leave or rebel. That's what the American revolution was all about! Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 4/16/08 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes But the bulk of the tax dollars are collected from the lower middle classes. Is that not fair? That's the bulk of the people, and presumably where the bulk of benefits reaped from taxation are seen. Or are we proposing that there be 'tax slaves'? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 4/15/2008 6:10 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 fuel system (Jim?)
got snow in my face last sun!) I removed the glove box and the trim panel below the right dash. I did not find much for relays behind the glove box that looked like they fit this description. The fuel pump relay stands vertically, narrow edge facing you. It's the right-most one behind the glove box, and black, and is similarly shaped to a CC amplifier but somewhat smaller. It is not on the side wall with the fuse box, it is not tucked against the HVAC box. It's labeled with 5300/min 8Zyl.12V, a Bosch logo and 896377, Kickdown, and has what looks like a date code on it. See: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/SL2log.html for my notes. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
well said! You must have been reading my thoughts as was writing my post. At 09:34 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: I understand that the folks we love to hate (i.e., the IRS) are just 9 to 5 folks who have a job. And they are just doing their job. Doesn't make the job itself any less evil, consider the gas oven guards. We can change the jobs our society depends on to something a bit more productive and/or respectable. Our present system does not have all the desired characteristics, and in fact fosters a lot of crime, resentment, deceit, and waste; a big change is warranted. I could buy into a transitional phase-in, with a fairly rigid timetable. (No slacking off.) I could buy into something even better than a flat tax, I was just figuring that it would be easier to actually implement. Baby steps, in other words. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
For 12,000 miles per year, I think the differences in your costs are going to be pretty negligible over the range of 15 - 25 MPG, gas or diesel. I'd say drive the car that you LIKE. Allan OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With the ever increasing costs of fuel, I feel the need to once again weigh the costs of operating the OM vs. the M cars. I'm currently addicted to the 124 chassis, so I'll limit the scope to the 300D 2.5 and the 300E. I don't know what the fuel usage of the 300E is, so I'll calculate back to what it would have to get to equal the cost of the Diesel engine. If the 300E uses less fuel, it's the better choice. If it uses more, the Diesel is the winner. Based on my usual commute to work, I get 29 mpg in the 300D 2.5, and drive it 12,000 miles per year. At the current $3.94 for Diesel, my annual cost is $1,477. Regular is $3.24 at the same station today, so the 300E would have to get 23.8 MPG to equal the fuel cost of the Diesel car. Since it's unlikely that fuel has reached it's all time high, I re-calculated based on $5.00/gal. Diesel and $4.00/gal. regular. the years fuel cost is then $2,069 for the 300D, and the 300E would have to get 23.2MPG. So - the question of the day is: how many MPG does a 124 300E get in real life - mixed city/highway driving??? Is there a significant difference in the fuel economy between the 103 and 104 engines in the 124 chassis? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
I forgot one important detail - I assumed that the 103 and 104 in the 124 cars were meant to run on regular - true or false? On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:41 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the ever increasing costs of fuel, I feel the need to once again weigh the costs of operating the OM vs. the M cars. I'm currently addicted to the 124 chassis, so I'll limit the scope to the 300D 2.5 and the 300E. I don't know what the fuel usage of the 300E is, so I'll calculate back to what it would have to get to equal the cost of the Diesel engine. If the 300E uses less fuel, it's the better choice. If it uses more, the Diesel is the winner. Based on my usual commute to work, I get 29 mpg in the 300D 2.5, and drive it 12,000 miles per year. At the current $3.94 for Diesel, my annual cost is $1,477. Regular is $3.24 at the same station today, so the 300E would have to get 23.8 MPG to equal the fuel cost of the Diesel car. Since it's unlikely that fuel has reached it's all time high, I re-calculated based on $5.00/gal. Diesel and $4.00/gal. regular. the years fuel cost is then $2,069 for the 300D, and the 300E would have to get 23.2MPG. So - the question of the day is: how many MPG does a 124 300E get in real life - mixed city/highway driving??? Is there a significant difference in the fuel economy between the 103 and 104 engines in the 124 chassis? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Probably wise - but it seemed like it was time to re-evaluate. The 450SLC at 15MPG will cost an extra $1000 per year, so I only drive it on nice Sunday afternoons now. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For 12,000 miles per year, I think the differences in your costs are going to be pretty negligible over the range of 15 - 25 MPG, gas or diesel. I'd say drive the car that you LIKE. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Good thinking Don! As near as I can tell, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference in dollars. I'd say run your Diesel as long as you like and curse the fuel prices. The cost of selling your Diesel and buying a similarly decent gasser, then fixing it up ($1000 to 4000) will be higher than the cost savings of Diesel over gas or vice versa. If everyone would start calling their congresslizards and Senatoreptiles and demanding that drilling restrictions be relaxed, that Anwar be opened for drilling and that we increase domestic power production by all means, then we might start to get somewhere. At 09:41 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: With the ever increasing costs of fuel, I feel the need to once again weigh the costs of operating the OM vs. the M cars. I'm currently addicted to the 124 chassis, so I'll limit the scope to the 300D 2.5 and the 300E. I don't know what the fuel usage of the 300E is, so I'll calculate back to what it would have to get to equal the cost of the Diesel engine. If the 300E uses less fuel, it's the better choice. If it uses more, the Diesel is the winner. Based on my usual commute to work, I get 29 mpg in the 300D 2.5, and drive it 12,000 miles per year. At the current $3.94 for Diesel, my annual cost is $1,477. Regular is $3.24 at the same station today, so the 300E would have to get 23.8 MPG to equal the fuel cost of the Diesel car. Since it's unlikely that fuel has reached it's all time high, I re-calculated based on $5.00/gal. Diesel and $4.00/gal. regular. the years fuel cost is then $2,069 for the 300D, and the 300E would have to get 23.2MPG. So - the question of the day is: how many MPG does a 124 300E get in real life - mixed city/highway driving??? Is there a significant difference in the fuel economy between the 103 and 104 engines in the 124 chassis? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
I forgot one important detail - I assumed that the 103 and 104 in the 124 cars were meant to run on regular - true or false? Isn't the 380SL/SEL the last gasser to have run on regular? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
I'm keeping the Diesel - the 300D 2.5 anyway. I'm seriously considering getting rid of the others and getting another 124. The question is whether to get another 300D 2.5, or a 300E. Unless the 300E gets 25 MPG or better, I think the Diesel wins again. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good thinking Don! As near as I can tell, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference in dollars. I'd say run your Diesel as long as you like and curse the fuel prices. The cost of selling your Diesel and buying a similarly decent gasser, then fixing it up ($1000 to 4000) will be higher than the cost savings of Diesel over gas or vice versa. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
my 300E required premium, so keep that in mind with the M103. I keep all the gas tabs, but never worked out the cost. I'm a bit heavy footed, and mine gets more in town than highway driving, with lots of quick 0-90 kph bursts. I'd guess high teens, low 20s for mileage. Ed 300E On 16/04/2008, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the ever increasing costs of fuel, I feel the need to once again weigh the costs of operating the OM vs. the M cars. I'm currently addicted to the 124 chassis, so I'll limit the scope to the 300D 2.5 and the 300E. I don't know what the fuel usage of the 300E is, so I'll calculate back to what it would have to get to equal the cost of the Diesel engine. If the 300E uses less fuel, it's the better choice. If it uses more, the Diesel is the winner. Based on my usual commute to work, I get 29 mpg in the 300D 2.5, and drive it 12,000 miles per year. At the current $3.94 for Diesel, my annual cost is $1,477. Regular is $3.24 at the same station today, so the 300E would have to get 23.8 MPG to equal the fuel cost of the Diesel car. Since it's unlikely that fuel has reached it's all time high, I re-calculated based on $5.00/gal. Diesel and $4.00/gal. regular. the years fuel cost is then $2,069 for the 300D, and the 300E would have to get 23.2MPG. So - the question of the day is: how many MPG does a 124 300E get in real life - mixed city/highway driving??? Is there a significant difference in the fuel economy between the 103 and 104 engines in the 124 chassis? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Most diesels I see advertised here come at a premium, with something always referring to, will go a million miles. If true, most of the rest of the car will fall to bits long before a million miles, including the trans, head and everything hanging on the engine. Lots of gassers around for very little, in ready to drive condition. Cheaper to look and pay for a really good one too than an ok one that needs a little work. All things being equal, the difference in asking price between a diesel and gasser will pay for the fuel for a couple of years for the most gassers. From what I see around here anyway. Ed 300E On 16/04/2008, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm keeping the Diesel - the 300D 2.5 anyway. I'm seriously considering getting rid of the others and getting another 124. The question is whether to get another 300D 2.5, or a 300E. Unless the 300E gets 25 MPG or better, I think the Diesel wins again. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good thinking Don! As near as I can tell, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference in dollars. I'd say run your Diesel as long as you like and curse the fuel prices. The cost of selling your Diesel and buying a similarly decent gasser, then fixing it up ($1000 to 4000) will be higher than the cost savings of Diesel over gas or vice versa. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
And the 190 2.3 uses regular as well. On 4/16/08, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot one important detail - I assumed that the 103 and 104 in the 124 cars were meant to run on regular - true or false? Isn't the 380SL/SEL the last gasser to have run on regular? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Ok Don wrote: Based on my usual commute to work, I get 29 mpg in the 300D 2.5, and drive it 12,000 miles per year. At the current $3.94 for Diesel, my annual cost is $1,477. Regular is $3.24 at the same station today, so the 300E would have to get 23.8 MPG to equal the fuel cost of the Diesel car. I think the 300E gets close to that (others would know better than me), BUT there is another factor to consider. Which one do you enjoy driving more. If the difference is negligible than is it really worth a few dollars a fill up to drive a car that you don't really like? Donald H. Snook 1997 Ford Explorer (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 fuel system (Jim?)
Got it! Thanks again! At 09:47 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: got snow in my face last sun!) I removed the glove box and the trim panel below the right dash. I did not find much for relays behind the glove box that looked like they fit this description. The fuel pump relay stands vertically, narrow edge facing you. It's the right-most one behind the glove box, and black, and is similarly shaped to a CC amplifier but somewhat smaller. It is not on the side wall with the fuse box, it is not tucked against the HVAC box. It's labeled with 5300/min 8Zyl.12V, a Bosch logo and 896377, Kickdown, and has what looks like a date code on it. See: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/SL2log.html for my notes. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
I have not driven the M104 92 E320 enough to be able to determine fuel economy. Daughter drives it and she never leaves town, so that is not a good measure. My guess there is negligible difference in economy between M103 and M104. The 103 is a good engine, and easier to service than the 104. The M104 is a hotrod, and as such, may be harder to keep your foot out of; therefore yielding effectively less economy when perhaps on paper it might be a little better. My next car will likely be a 104 though... At 10:00 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: I'm keeping the Diesel - the 300D 2.5 anyway. I'm seriously considering getting rid of the others and getting another 124. The question is whether to get another 300D 2.5, or a 300E. Unless the 300E gets 25 MPG or better, I think the Diesel wins again. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good thinking Don! As near as I can tell, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference in dollars. I'd say run your Diesel as long as you like and curse the fuel prices. The cost of selling your Diesel and buying a similarly decent gasser, then fixing it up ($1000 to 4000) will be higher than the cost savings of Diesel over gas or vice versa. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Having never driven a vergasser 124, I don't know. I do love the Diesels though - I think the 300E gets close to that (others would know better than me), BUT there is another factor to consider. Which one do you enjoy driving more. If the difference is negligible than is it really worth a few dollars a fill up to drive a car that you don't really like? Donald H. Snook 1997 Ford Explorer (For Sale) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Does it burn premium? I'll have to check the price of premium next time - didn't think of that possibility as I drove by today. Yes - the extra power will undoubtedly get used, along with the fuel to feed it. I like easy to work on, but I also like power On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not driven the M104 92 E320 enough to be able to determine fuel economy. Daughter drives it and she never leaves town, so that is not a good measure. My guess there is negligible difference in economy between M103 and M104. The 103 is a good engine, and easier to service than the 104. The M104 is a hotrod, and as such, may be harder to keep your foot out of; therefore yielding effectively less economy when perhaps on paper it might be a little better. My next car will likely be a 104 though... -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
I run 89 octane regular in 103 and 104, as well as the M180 with no ill effects, no ping. This fuel may not be available in the rest of the country. in the 70s it was galled gasohol. It is 90/10 gasoline to ethanol. We have had it available for 30+ years in Iowa. Burned it in my premium only R75/5 too, but usually mixed with some premium. An occasional tank of 87 octane regular in the cars doesn't seem to hurt. Keep in mind though, that the vast majority of my miles are in Diesels. Most states do not have this quality of fuel available on a regular basis, so YMMV. I think I heard at latest count there are about 30 different one state only gasolines required by 30 some states. At 10:08 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: And the 190 2.3 uses regular as well. On 4/16/08, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot one important detail - I assumed that the 103 and 104 in the 124 cars were meant to run on regular - true or false? Isn't the 380SL/SEL the last gasser to have run on regular? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
That sounds OK for a guy on a salary or working hourly but how do you figure it out for a business where you have to pay for materials and labor etc. Barry But that is not my tax plan. Mine is x% of gross income. If I make (I wish!) $100,000 a year, then I pay -- taking 10% out of my butt -- $10,000 in taxes. I think I was at 40K gross last year, so I'd pay $4K in taxes. But I wouldn't have to file, because it would be withheld from my paycheck. And it is done. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
My 89 300TE averaged 17.81 MPG (USA) on california premium across 50,397 miles of driving, mostly city, still highway wasn't anything close to claims. claim is 17 (city),21 (highway) ,19 (mixed) 18.6 mpg when running on non-california gas for 21,374 miles, but more highway miles. This compares to my numbers (all 50K miles of recording) 24.2 MPG for 83 300TDtclaim is 22 (city),25 (highway) ,? (mixed) 25.9 MPG for 92 300TDt claim is 23 (city),27 (highway) ,25 (mixed) 16.6 MPG for 93 500SEL claim is 13 (city),17 (highway) ,15 (mixed) On Apr 16, 2008, at 8:02 PM, E M wrote: my 300E required premium, so keep that in mind with the M103. I keep all the gas tabs, but never worked out the cost. I'm a bit heavy footed, and mine gets more in town than highway driving, with lots of quick 0-90 kph bursts. I'd guess high teens, low 20s for mileage. Ed 300E John 1983 300TDt 388k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 220k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 208k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
