date:20090507

If you needed a tax number there was be absolutely no need for dyed 
fuel, they could just use all the same fuel and take the tax off at the 
register.  Since they cant do that, that is the point of the dyed off 
road. no tax number needed.  The store who added the tax back on to the 
dyed off-road fuel simply pocketed whatever tax they collected


Jim Cathey wrote:

No number = no tax break
What are they supposed to do? Take a picture and send that to the tax 
people?


Last time I was around off-road fuel, no tax number
was required at all.  States vary.

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Re: [MBZ] 300E issues


that car is a POS, I will give you $500 for it.

Wonko the Sane wrote:

Not quite sure what you mean by the charge light. Eight idiot lights
(everything except the SRS) remain lit when the car is running, including
the battery and alternator idiot lights.

Looking at the alternator, I did notice two things. A plastic cover that is
on the back of the alternator was completely loose -- whatever screws were
supposed to be holding it to the alternator were gone (KALEB!!!), and when
moving the wire bundle that goes to the alternator, there is the occasional
distinct "crack" of an electrical spark.

  


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Re: [MBZ] 300E issues


maybe you have a grounding issue or something

Wonko the Sane wrote:

You are correct. It is my pickup that is an 89.

Getting some strange stuff w/ the car. Charged the battery up overnight (to
13.89 volts). Started the car and slapped the voltmeter back onto the
battery. Not charging -- was showing about 11 volts.

However, the strange thing is that all of the idiot lights are lit up,
including the low fuel light by the fuel gauge. The SRS light does go out,
but none of the others do.

Would a voltage regulator do that?

  


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Re: [MBZ] late w123 blower motor resistor switch

mechanic, who thought it might be a part that is only on the late 
(1985)
w123 cars - a blower motor resistor switch.  Part number is 1268202510 
 This
is expensive (over $100 from Rusty) so I won't replace it before 
finding out
if anyone else has had  this part fail.  Could also be on a  W126 car 
like a

300SD.


With a 126 part number I'd expect that.  But by '86 the
infamous porcupine replaced all such stuff.

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Re: [MBZ] 300E issues


However, the strange thing is that all of the idiot lights are lit up,
including the low fuel light by the fuel gauge. The SRS light does go 
out,

but none of the others do.


That's normal when the key is on without the alternator spinning.
So, the alternator is virtually not spinning.  (Electrically, that
is.  Or it could even be literally if the belt is off!)

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Re: [MBZ] Puzzling case of the locked fuel door - W123 300TD

That's the $64 question.  Which doors?  The RR door is definitely OK, 
but

where do the other two lines go?


What moves when you suck on the associated lines?  Or, if they
leak bad enough, work by process of elimination.  (Whatever never
moves no matter which line is pumped down is broken.)

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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?


No number = no tax break
What are they supposed to do? Take a picture and send that to the tax 
people?


Last time I was around off-road fuel, no tax number
was required at all.  States vary.

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[MBZ] late w123 blower motor resistor switch

2009-05-07 Thread andrew strasfogel

You may  recall the saga of a balky (intermittent) blower motor on our 1985
300CD turbodiesel coupe.  Today, the blower was inoperative for an entire
hour and never came on in any setting on the ACC push button panel.  The
fuse was OK, blower motor was tested = fine.  I mentioned this to my
mechanic, who thought it might be a part that is only on the late (1985)
w123 cars - a blower motor resistor switch.  Part number is 1268202510  This
is expensive (over $100 from Rusty) so I won't replace it before finding out
if anyone else has had  this part fail.  Could also be on a  W126 car like a
300SD.

Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] 300E issues

Exactly -- but that will have to wait for tomorrow or maybe the weekend.
[Note to self: *do* disconnect the battery before diving in with an
ohmmeter!]

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:10 PM, OK Don  wrote:

>
> "when moving the wire bundle that goes to the alternator, there is the
> occasional distinct "crack" of an electrical spark."
>
> I think you've found a problem ???  Put on that electronics repair hat and
> see what's goin on down there!
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] 300E issues

2009-05-07 Thread OK Don

Alternator light = charge light.

"when moving the wire bundle that goes to the alternator, there is the
occasional distinct "crack" of an electrical spark."

I think you've found a problem ???  Put on that eletronics repair hat and
see what's goin on down there!

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Wonko the Sane  wrote:

> Not quite sure what you mean by the charge light. Eight idiot lights
> (everything except the SRS) remain lit when the car is running, including
> the battery and alternator idiot lights.
>
> Looking at the alternator, I did notice two things. A plastic cover that is
> on the back of the alternator was completely loose -- whatever screws were
> supposed to be holding it to the alternator were gone (KALEB!!!), and when
> moving the wire bundle that goes to the alternator, there is the occasional
> distinct "crack" of an electrical spark.
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos
> KD5NRO
> "The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy" Baron
> Manfred von Richthofen
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Re: [MBZ] 300E issues

Not quite sure what you mean by the charge light. Eight idiot lights
(everything except the SRS) remain lit when the car is running, including
the battery and alternator idiot lights.

Looking at the alternator, I did notice two things. A plastic cover that is
on the back of the alternator was completely loose -- whatever screws were
supposed to be holding it to the alternator were gone (KALEB!!!), and when
moving the wire bundle that goes to the alternator, there is the occasional
distinct "crack" of an electrical spark.

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Tom Hargrave  wrote:

> The excite current initially flows through the dash circuit then through
> the
> charge light to the regulator. This is what initially excites the
> alternator, then the regulator takes over.
>
> I bet the charge light is off when the car is running? I net the feed wire
> going into the back of the regulator - the smaller of the two, is broken
> right at the connector.
>
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

2009-05-07 Thread Luther

Nah, the future Mrs.Luther will be trusted with that info, the gov't can 
kiss my f(&#%(^g a$$! :)


Euan wrote:



Luther will refuse a gov't mandated GPS all the way to the Supreme Court


Especially if Mrs Luther has access to GPS data  ;-)

Euan 

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche parts

2009-05-07 Thread RELNGSON

> Guess Roger will be able to get all his Porsche parts from the local 
> VW dealer in the future...
> 
I have been sourcing my Porsche parts from Rusty for some time now. And MB 
bits also. I just don't feel the need to mention it.

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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

2009-05-07 Thread Euan




Luther will refuse a gov't mandated GPS all the way to the Supreme Court


Especially if Mrs Luther has access to GPS data  ;-)

Euan

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Re: [MBZ] 300E issues

2009-05-07 Thread Tom Hargrave

The excite current initially flows through the dash circuit then through the
charge light to the regulator. This is what initially excites the
alternator, then the regulator takes over.

I bet the charge light is off when the car is running? I net the feed wire
going into the back of the regulator - the smaller of the two, is broken
right at the connector.

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On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:10 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E issues

You are correct. It is my pickup that is an 89.

Getting some strange stuff w/ the car. Charged the battery up overnight (to
13.89 volts). Started the car and slapped the voltmeter back onto the
battery. Not charging -- was showing about 11 volts.

However, the strange thing is that all of the idiot lights are lit up,
including the low fuel light by the fuel gauge. The SRS light does go out,
but none of the others do.

Would a voltage regulator do that?

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> your car is a 86
>
> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>
>> It is an 89.
>>
>>
>

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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

2009-05-07 Thread Allan Streib

Luther  writes:

> Luther, will refuse a gov't mandated GPS all the way to the Supreme
> Court

The only thing I would consider would be a totally open-spec system that
did not log position, only accumulated mileage, and had no capability to
be used as a real-time tracking device.

But hey, that's just an odometer, and we already have those.

Allan
-- 
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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

2009-05-07 Thread Luther

Or do things like disconnect the power to the GPS?  Gee, it's the same 
idea :D


Luther, will refuse a gov't mandated GPS all the way to the Supreme Court

Mitch Haley wrote:

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
Yes, RI is considering  similar tax system. I too wondered how they 
would

handle W123 odometers.


It's gotta be based on GPS.

1. If it depends on the cars' instruments, people will do stuff like 
disconnect the odo cable for a while.


2. This is not a feasible alternative to fuel taxes, so there has to 
be another reason for it, like tracking your every move by making you 
carry their GPS transponder everywhere. 

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Re: [MBZ] 300E issues

You are correct. It is my pickup that is an 89.

Getting some strange stuff w/ the car. Charged the battery up overnight (to
13.89 volts). Started the car and slapped the voltmeter back onto the
battery. Not charging -- was showing about 11 volts.

However, the strange thing is that all of the idiot lights are lit up,
including the low fuel light by the fuel gauge. The SRS light does go out,
but none of the others do.

Would a voltage regulator do that?

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> your car is a 86
>
> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>
>> It is an 89.
>>
>>
>

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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

2009-05-07 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr

Well, I am not generally a conspiracy theorist guy, but I think this might
be the case here-look at those court cases with rental co's and fines for
exceeding the speed limits on rental cars, etc.  I wouldn't have On -Star
for that reason.  Only way to track a 240D is by smell and sound.  (Mercedes
content.) And I really don't need GPS either and would resist imposition of
it. 
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

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On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:18 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
> Yes, RI is considering  similar tax system. I too wondered how they would
> handle W123 odometers.

It's gotta be based on GPS.

1. If it depends on the cars' instruments, people will do stuff like
disconnect 
the odo cable for a while.

2. This is not a feasible alternative to fuel taxes, so there has to be
another 
reason for it, like tracking your every move by making you carry their GPS 
transponder everywhere.

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler and Volksporschewagen


http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,623423,00.html#ref=nlint
Guess Roger will be able to get all his Porsche parts from the local VW 
dealer in the future.
Perhaps we'll see a 'new' beetle with a hot Porsche engine? Hot rod 
transporter?


Hendrik

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Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys


Whilst on the subject of cash for clunkers
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,623362,00.html#ref=nlint

Hendrik

Donald Snook wrote:

Tom H. wrote: "The Festiva may have looked cheap but I knew many pizza delivery 
people who put 200K - 300K on the cars with no major issues. Friends were searching the 
local junkyards for seats, window regulators and door latches."

When my mother was a home health care nurse, she drove a Festiva. She loved it 
(I hated it). But, I do have to admit, she had ZERO problems with it even 
putting 150-200K miles on it.  It also was very thrifty on gas.  I think I 
doubled the weight of the car when I drove it.


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-07 Thread LWB250

Like Compton?

An upper midwest company I used to work for was looking for cheap light 
industrial real estate in the LA basin to store equipment in as a regional hub 
for a rental business.  The guy who was heading up the search knew nothing 
about LA.

He came running in the office one day, all worked up.

"I found some really great property in LA CHEAP!"

(me) "Oh, yeah?  Where is it exactly?"

"Someplace called Compton."

I held my tongue.

Dan

--- On Thu, 5/7/09, tyler  wrote:

> From: tyler 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 12:41 PM
> 
> Fears of Mexico are irrational IMO. I've never seen a place
> as dangerous in Mexico as many areas here in the Los Angeles
> basin.
> 
> Tyler
> 

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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

A GPS in a car cannot be expected to receive have a continuous signal, 
since it requires a fairly unobstructed line of sight to wherever at 
least 3 satellites happen to be at the moment. I can't see how the 
device could distinguish between a period of intentional shielding, and 
parking/driving the car in a location where the geography prevents a GPS 
lock.


I've had a few times hiking and driving through narrow valleys and 
gorges where I absolutely could not receive a GPS lock all day long on a 
modern high quality GPS.


Tyler

Mitch Haley wrote:

Allan Streib wrote:

Mitch Haley  writes:


1. If it depends on the cars' instruments, people will do stuff like
disconnect the odo cable for a while.


And they won't do likewise for the GPS device? 


Not if the GPS keeps a log of when somebody cuts its power.
I suppose you could shield it from the signal, but that would probably 
be logged too and cause trouble for you if it happened a lot.


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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?


Allan Streib wrote:

Mitch Haley  writes:


1. If it depends on the cars' instruments, people will do stuff like
disconnect the odo cable for a while.


And they won't do likewise for the GPS device? 


Not if the GPS keeps a log of when somebody cuts its power.
I suppose you could shield it from the signal, but that would probably be logged 
too and cause trouble for you if it happened a lot.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - LORAN

2009-05-07 Thread Loren Faeth

Y'all are forgetting the saviour, the lord most high BO walks on 
water.  He don't need no LORAN, so you don't get it, fool!


At 04:18 PM 5/7/2009, you wrote:
On 7 May 2009, President Barack Obama proposed cutting funding 
(approx. $35m/yr) for LORAN, citing its redundancy alongside GPS. ( Wikipedia )


The prez obviously has not been aboard a boat when the GPS failed.


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Re: [MBZ] 300TD at body shop

2009-05-07 Thread Michael E. Esh

I am interested in the rear passenger and drivers side back doors if they
are rust free.  I will  pay what they are worth and shipping to Michigan.

thanks Mike

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Subject: [MBZ] 300TD at body shop

I've occasionally seen some folks on the list who like the Euro headlights
on the W123, and I just saw a 300TD (Year?, it is a turbo but I didn't look
at the mileage) at a local body shop which has these lights in case anyone
is interested.  The owner apparently had sold it, but the buyer never paid
him so the car sits.  I asked the body shop guy to ask the owner if he's
interested in parting it out as I would be interested in the ACC PBU and ACC
amp.  If interested, contact me off-list and I'll look into whatever you may
be interested in.

G. M. Brown

Brevard, NC

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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?


Im going to call you in the morning, you better make me a steal of  a deal.

Rusty Cullens wrote:

They are fine, I have in all my cars.

Rusty Cullens
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Subject: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?


OK, are these any good?  Rusty?  Need a radiator for my E300.  I can 
buy a used one searching car=part.com which may or may not be OE for 
around 150-170 plus whatever shipping, so probably 20-30 more for 
shipping.  Or, I can spend 220 for a new nissens from Rusty.  Im 
almost leaning toward the new one but wondered if those were any good.


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Re: [MBZ] 300E issues


your car is a 86

Wonko the Sane wrote:

It is an 89.

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

  

your engine number is on a plate, but it can also generally be looked up
via
your vin.

also, you can often guess which one you need.  for example, if your car is
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Re: [MBZ] Portland CL - Kawasaki 454LTD


And 148 mpg.  ;<))

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Chamberlain" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:36 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Portland CL - Kawasaki 454LTD



Doesn't somebody on the list have one of these?  (Wonko?  Curt?)

Am I right in remembering that they are moderately rare and desirable?

Good price?

http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/mcy/1159672671.html

Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:34 PM, tyler  wrote:
> Of course european cars from the 70s and 80s have a magic odometer disabling
> button. All you need to do is reset the trip odometer a few times, and the
> odometer disables itself permanently without affecting the speedometer!

That's if you're lucky.  If not, the infernal "click... click...
click" of the broken tripmeter drives you stark raving mad...

Alex

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[MBZ] Portland CL - Kawasaki 454LTD

Doesn't somebody on the list have one of these?  (Wonko?  Curt?)

Am I right in remembering that they are moderately rare and desirable?

Good price?

http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/mcy/1159672671.html

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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

Putting foil over a GPS antenna to block the signal is a lot easier than 
disconnecting your odometer cable!


Of course european cars from the 70s and 80s have a magic odometer 
disabling button. All you need to do is reset the trip odometer a few 
times, and the odometer disables itself permanently without affecting 
the speedometer!


Tyler

WILTON wrote:

If there's money involved, somebody'll find a way to beat it.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] OT - LORAN

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Richard Hattaway
 wrote:
>
> On 7 May 2009, President Barack Obama proposed cutting funding (approx. 
> $35m/yr) for LORAN, citing its redundancy alongside GPS. ( Wikipedia )
>
> The prez obviously has not been aboard a boat when the GPS failed.

Sounds like the "redundancy" of analog cell phone service previously
discussed in this space.  :(

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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

If there's money involved, somebody'll find a way to beat it.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

Mitch Haley  writes:

1. If it depends on the cars' instruments, people will do stuff like
disconnect the odo cable for a while.

And they won't do likewise for the GPS device? 

Allan
--
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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

2009-05-07 Thread Allan Streib

Mitch Haley  writes:

> 1. If it depends on the cars' instruments, people will do stuff like
> disconnect the odo cable for a while.

And they won't do likewise for the GPS device? 

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - LORAN

Dead reckoning can give only an MPP (most probable position), not a FIX 
(absolute, KNOWN position); celestial "fix", at best is still little more 
than an "educated/sophisticated" MPP; crossing at least two (three better) 
FM radio bearings can give a reasonable "fix" if you're close enough to the 
stations (same with bearing and distance info.).  LORAN and GPS, however 
give very accurate and reliable FIX info a LONG way from home.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - LORAN


Aren't there a lot of other good backup navigation systems instead of 
Loran-C? A directional antenna hooked to a normal radio can locate you 
relative to FM radio stations. There's also celestial navigation, and 
compass+dead reckoning can let you continue estimate your location 
accurately after sudden loss of a GPS system.


Richard Hattaway wrote:
On 7 May 2009, President Barack Obama proposed cutting funding (approx. 
$35m/yr) for LORAN, citing its redundancy alongside GPS. ( Wikipedia )


The prez obviously has not been aboard a boat when the GPS failed.
It's a queazy feeling.  I now carry two GPS units, and I'd carry LORAN-C 
too, if I could find one and the prez would decide to not shut it down.


(and it would fit on the boat (c:  )


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Re: [MBZ] OT - LORAN

Aren't there a lot of other good backup navigation systems instead of 
Loran-C? A directional antenna hooked to a normal radio can locate you 
relative to FM radio stations. There's also celestial navigation, and 
compass+dead reckoning can let you continue estimate your location 
accurately after sudden loss of a GPS system.


Richard Hattaway wrote:

On 7 May 2009, President Barack Obama proposed cutting funding (approx. 
$35m/yr) for LORAN, citing its redundancy alongside GPS. ( Wikipedia )

The prez obviously has not been aboard a boat when the GPS failed.  


It's a queazy feeling.  I now carry two GPS units, and I'd carry LORAN-C too, 
if I could find one and the prez would decide to not shut it down.

(and it would fit on the boat (c:  )


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[MBZ] OT - LORAN

2009-05-07 Thread Richard Hattaway


On 7 May 2009, President Barack Obama proposed cutting funding (approx. 
$35m/yr) for LORAN, citing its redundancy alongside GPS. ( Wikipedia )

The prez obviously has not been aboard a boat when the GPS failed.  

It's a queazy feeling.  I now carry two GPS units, and I'd carry LORAN-C too, 
if I could find one and the prez would decide to not shut it down.

(and it would fit on the boat (c:  )




  

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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?


Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

Yes, RI is considering  similar tax system. I too wondered how they would
handle W123 odometers.


It's gotta be based on GPS.

1. If it depends on the cars' instruments, people will do stuff like disconnect 
the odo cable for a while.


2. This is not a feasible alternative to fuel taxes, so there has to be another 
reason for it, like tracking your every move by making you carry their GPS 
transponder everywhere.


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-07 Thread Rich Thomas


You're all gabachos.

--R

tyler wrote:
I look white/european, but I know how to not stand out when traveling. 
White skin does not make you stand out at all in Mexico, since a 
sizable percentage of "native" mexican people have fairly light skin, 
and some even blond hair and blue eyes.


What makes you stand out is dressing and acting like a rich tourist, 
and driving a fancy car. Bring a beat up looking car that's well 
maintained, and buy clothes locally that look like what everyone else 
is wearing and you'll blend in. I generally will wear a guyaberra 
(southern mexican style dress shirt) or a white T-shirt, and drive my 
somewhat beat up and dirty Volvo 740. I eat and go where the locals 
go, and avoid the tourist places. My car has american plates, which 
also blends in- because a lot of the cars down there were imported 
from the US and never had the plates changed.


How you act has a lot more to do with your safety when traveling than 
where you are or what your race and nationality are. Taking the time 
to learn a few phrases in the local language doesn't hurt either.


Tyler

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Tyler,

A friend if mine travels to Mexico a lot. He's Hispanic descent and 
he also
feels safe & probably is. But I'm white and I stick out like a sore 
thumb in
Mexico. Locals automatically know that I'm not local and I draw 
attention

which makes me a target.

Do you look like you are from the area or do you look "European - 
American"?

If you look like you are from the area then you blend in & will not be a
target.

I would not be a target in any Northern European country.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

2009-05-07 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr

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Re: [MBZ] OT - LORAN

There go some of the Coast Guard's more unique duty assignments --
everywhere from Attu to Dana, Indiana to Iwo Jima to the Shetland Islands.

http://www.uscg.mil/History/STATIONS/loran_index.asp

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:52 AM, WILTON  wrote:

> LORAN (long range radio aid to navigation since WWII) bites the dust.
>
> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 300E issues

2009-05-07 Thread Gary Hurst

can you tell if the wires in the back plug in or are bolted in?

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Wonko the Sane  wrote:

> It is an 89.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Puzzling case of the locked fuel door - W123 300TD

2009-05-07 Thread andrew strasfogel

That's the $64 question.  Which doors?  The RR door is definitely OK, but
where do the other two lines go?


On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> one locking line and two unlocking lines were leaking.
>> Where do I go from here?
>>
>
> _Now_ you go into the indicated doors.
>
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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

2009-05-07 Thread Tim C .

The state of NC, in concert with other states and the feds, is conducting a 
study to charge folks per-mile on road usage.  This would mean Prius owners pay 
the same road tax as Wonko for his truck, if both drive the same number of 
miles.

Of course somebody figured out this is stupid and encourages wasteful vehicles 
relative to the current system, so the actual (at least as reported in the NC 
press) proposal is to divide the number of miles driven by the EPA fuel economy 
for the vehicle, and charge an amount (output of above)*(tax rate).  [I kid you 
not.  Nobody that did stoichiometry is working on this project.]

For the study they are using GPSs to track mileage, then who knows.  Based on 
the number of bad odometers around my house it would almost be cost-effective 
for them to place GPS trackers in my cars.

Roaduserstudy.com, etc.

-Tim

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

They should not need a tax number for the off road fuel, that is why its 
dyed.  Sounds like it was just something that particular station did.

Allan Streib wrote:
> Loren Faeth  writes:
>
>   
>> I forgot to add that off-road Diesel for tractors, crawlers,
>> stationary engines, bonfires, etc. has no road taxes, if you can find
>> a place to buy it tax free when you need it.
>> 
>
> I once rented a small John Deere tractor with a front-loader and yard
> box for some landscaping work.  While trailering it back to the rental
> shop, I stopped to fuel it up.  I was in a fairly rural area and they
> did have an "off-road" pump which I used, but when I went in to pay they
> asked me for my "tax number" which I did not have and so they charged me
> the tax anyway.
>
> My pointing out that the tractor was clearly an off road vehicle and in
> fact was sitting on a trailer had no impact.
>
> Allan
>
>
>   
>> At 08:59 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:
>> 
>>> Colleagues in Alms
>>>
>>> The NZ government is reviewing the way taxes are levied on diesel
>>> sales. And not before time.
>>>
>>> We have a hugely cumbersome system called Road User Charges (RUC)
>>> designed to apportion the cost of maintaining roads fairly among
>>> mobile diesel users. Owners of stationary diesel plant don't have to
>>> pay the tax.
>>>
>>> Unlike petrol users who pay their tax at the pump, we diesel users
>>> have to buy their tax separately, usually at the end of long queues
>>> at post offices. We are levied in advance on distance travelled and
>>> the fully laden weight of our vehicles. As you can imagine,
>>> multi-axle trucks pay big money because they do more damage to our
>>> roads.
>>>
>>> My 300TD is in the 3-tonne class. For 3107 miles (5000 km), I pay
>>> $NZ190. Believe it or not, that includes a bloody service fee of
>>> $10. A fee to pay to a tax?!!
>>>
>>> Once I calculate the tax paid per mile travelled, the pump-price
>>> differential between petrol and diesel ** closes very
>>> significantly. If, as it does sometimes, the differential vanishes
>>> altogether, the only economic benefit of running a diesel becomes
>>> the longer distances travelled per litre.
>>>
>>> So, how are diesel taxes levied in your neck of the wood?
>>>
>>>
>>> Euan
>>>
>>> 1985 300TD 5-spd manual
>>> 215K mi
>>>
>>>
>>> ** [NZ pump prices today (urban centres) -- $0.99c / ltr diesel;
>>> $1.55c / ltr 91 octane petrol ]
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - LORAN

2009-05-07 Thread LarryT

I knew LORAN was fading with the dominance of GPS  - but it's peanuts to 
maintain compared to all the crap in the budget.  There's lots of people who 
depend on LORAN who do not want to spend the money on , or even need, GPS. 
I used to publish books containing the Lat/Long for all the nautical bouys 
and markers from Maine to the TexMex border.  Naturally the use of GPS 
pushed me out of business.


I guess the buggy whip makers are doing something new also ;-|

LarryT

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Wilton, et al.
LORAN is gone?
How about TACAN?
God! It's been a long time since I fixed any of that.
Fred Moir,  Air Radio Fitter, (Very much retired!)
Lynn MA
Klatta on.

At 02:22 PM 5/7/2009, you wrote:
Me, either.  'Didn't provide it.  POTUS made note of it this morning in 
speech on budget cuts.


Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] GM

'Think GM would pay for it 'bout like MB has paid for screwing up the 350D?

Wilton

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Archer wrote:

Seems like you could tap off of an oil line or passage someplace and run 
a line up to the top of the valve cover with a fitting installed that 
would drip on the chain.  That type of oiling was used on chains and 
gears in engines and machinery of the early 20th century; the difference 
being that it was gravity drip from a reservoir.

Probably less work to install the bigger nozzle that comes with the timing 
chain kit (although I don't know where it goes).
If I could buy one for $800 less than I thought it was worth, I'd buy it 
and either install the chain kit myself or have it installed by somebody 
else if it turns out to be as bad as working on a Quad4 timing chain.

If I'd owned the car since new, I'd want GM to pay for it, and probably 
just grumble loudly like Gary if they refused.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] GM


Archer wrote:


Seems like you could tap off of an oil line or passage someplace and run 
a line up to the top of the valve cover with a fitting installed that 
would drip on the chain.  That type of oiling was used on chains and 
gears in engines and machinery of the early 20th century; the difference 
being that it was gravity drip from a reservoir.


Probably less work to install the bigger nozzle that comes with the timing chain 
kit (although I don't know where it goes).
If I could buy one for $800 less than I thought it was worth, I'd buy it and 
either install the chain kit myself or have it installed by somebody else if it 
turns out to be as bad as working on a Quad4 timing chain.


If I'd owned the car since new, I'd want GM to pay for it, and probably just 
grumble loudly like Gary if they refused.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - LORAN

2009-05-07 Thread Frederick W Moir


Wilton, et al.
LORAN is gone?
How about TACAN?
God! It's been a long time since I fixed any of that.
Fred Moir,  Air Radio Fitter, (Very much retired!)
Lynn MA
Klatta on.

At 02:22 PM 5/7/2009, you wrote:
Me, either.  'Didn't provide it.  POTUS made note of it this morning 
in speech on budget cuts.


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-07 Thread Loren Faeth

Agreed, but I am still not going.  30 years ago, I would have gone, 
but things were different then.  I don't speak like a native.


In Italy, (or anywhere else) we always try to blend in  and look and 
act like the locals.  That includes eating what the locals eat.  In 
Italy, we rode all over on the train, including places that appeared 
no American had been to since the end of WWII.  The instep of Italy's 
boot is considered the armpit of Italy, and there was no problem 
whatsoever there.  A resort there was mostly for Neapolitans, and was 
a fenced compound like mexican resorts.  Most of Italy considers 
Napoli to be despicable but here, the locals were despicable to the 
Neapolitans. But I have no interest in going into Rome.


Sitting outside the Bahnhof Aachen eating rolls and butter purchased 
inside the station has been one of the most enjoyable moments in our 
travels.  (and watching a Ponton Diesel go ripping by in addition to 
the multitude of other MB,VW and BMW products.)   Hanging out in 
Munchen Hbf is interesting too.  Lots of food and shops


In three years of living on Oahu and working in Honolulu, we never 
went to pearl harbor, the Arizona Memorial, or the submarine, not 
because there were not interesting, but because every tourist goes 
there.  While living on the big Island, we did on occasion go to Kona 
and play tourist.  That is kinda a busman's holiday because a lot of 
the folks who go there are Hawaiians.  If we stay at a hotel, it is 
never Mauna Kea Beach Resort, it is Keauhou Beach Hotel which caters 
to Kamaainas (locals)




At 01:05 PM 5/7/2009, you wrote:
I look white/european, but I know how to not stand out when 
traveling. White skin does not make you stand out at all in Mexico, 
since a sizable percentage of "native" mexican people have fairly 
light skin, and some even blond hair and blue eyes.


What makes you stand out is dressing and acting like a rich tourist, 
and driving a fancy car. Bring a beat up looking car that's well 
maintained, and buy clothes locally that look like what everyone 
else is wearing and you'll blend in. I generally will wear a 
guyaberra (southern mexican style dress shirt) or a white T-shirt, 
and drive my somewhat beat up and dirty Volvo 740. I eat and go 
where the locals go, and avoid the tourist places. My car has 
american plates, which also blends in- because a lot of the cars 
down there were imported from the US and never had the plates changed.


How you act has a lot more to do with your safety when traveling 
than where you are or what your race and nationality are. Taking the 
time to learn a few phrases in the local language doesn't hurt either.


Tyler

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Tyler,

A friend if mine travels to Mexico a lot. He's Hispanic descent and he also
feels safe & probably is. But I'm white and I stick out like a sore thumb in
Mexico. Locals automatically know that I'm not local and I draw attention
which makes me a target.

Do you look like you are from the area or do you look "European - American"?
If you look like you are from the area then you blend in & will not be a
target.

I would not be a target in any Northern European country.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
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Re: [MBZ] OT - LORAN

Me, either.  'Didn't provide it.  POTUS made note of it this morning in 
speech on budget cuts.


Wilton

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unable to locate & use the link about LORAN -  ??

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LORAN (long range radio aid to navigation since WWII) bites the dust.

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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

I look white/european, but I know how to not stand out when traveling. 
White skin does not make you stand out at all in Mexico, since a sizable 
percentage of "native" mexican people have fairly light skin, and some 
even blond hair and blue eyes.


What makes you stand out is dressing and acting like a rich tourist, and 
driving a fancy car. Bring a beat up looking car that's well maintained, 
and buy clothes locally that look like what everyone else is wearing and 
you'll blend in. I generally will wear a guyaberra (southern mexican 
style dress shirt) or a white T-shirt, and drive my somewhat beat up and 
dirty Volvo 740. I eat and go where the locals go, and avoid the tourist 
places. My car has american plates, which also blends in- because a lot 
of the cars down there were imported from the US and never had the 
plates changed.


How you act has a lot more to do with your safety when traveling than 
where you are or what your race and nationality are. Taking the time to 
learn a few phrases in the local language doesn't hurt either.


Tyler

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Tyler,

A friend if mine travels to Mexico a lot. He's Hispanic descent and he also
feels safe & probably is. But I'm white and I stick out like a sore thumb in
Mexico. Locals automatically know that I'm not local and I draw attention
which makes me a target.

Do you look like you are from the area or do you look "European - American"?
If you look like you are from the area then you blend in & will not be a
target.

I would not be a target in any Northern European country.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
256-656-1924


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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

I have thought about this (and did it on a Volvo diesel once) but the 
problem is the sharp angles and the unusual fitting of the turbo cooling 
lines to the middle of the lower radiator hose.


I could get some industrial hose with the correct diameter and 
durability, but I would have 2 problems:
1) I would need several large brass elbows to enable the hose to make 
the bends necessary
2) The extra weight and reduced flexibility of these hoses would 
probably stress crack the plastic radiator


My suspicion (that I've been unable to confirm) is that the regular 190D 
OM602 coolant hoses might work, minus the coolant fitting for the turbo. 
This would be easy to add, since many 80 turbo cars (like the later 
Volvo 240 Turbos) came with an aluminum radiator hose coupler/splice to 
get coolant for the turbo. I could probably find one in the junkyard. I 
don't want to risk getting even the regular 190D hoses though, since I 
can't tell if they'll work until it's too late and they're probably also 
very expensive.


Tyler

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:31 AM, tyler  wrote:
  

For this same car, I've been looking for a replacement set of cooling hoses,
and have been unable to even get a quote from anyone but the dealer, who
wants something like $450 and has a one week wait for just the upper and
lower radiator hoses which is absurd. I hope I never have a hose burst or
I'm screwed!



There have to be companies out there that make custom-fit coolant
hoses for hot-rod and kit-car builders (otherwise how would you ever
put an arbitrary engine into an arbitrary chassis with the resulting
arbitrary distance between block and radiator?).  Wonder if that would
be cheaper?  Or maybe you can source some sort of tubing with the
correct temperature and corrosion-resistance specs from an
industrial-supply house like McMaster-Carr?

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-07 Thread Tom Hargrave

Tyler,

A friend if mine travels to Mexico a lot. He's Hispanic descent and he also
feels safe & probably is. But I'm white and I stick out like a sore thumb in
Mexico. Locals automatically know that I'm not local and I draw attention
which makes me a target.

Do you look like you are from the area or do you look "European - American"?
If you look like you are from the area then you blend in & will not be a
target.

I would not be a target in any Northern European country.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
256-656-1924

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On Behalf Of tyler
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

I feel safe travelling anywhere in Mexico and have spent a lot of time 
doing it an never had problems all over Baja and the Yucatan. My parents 
even lived down there for several years, and I have an uncle that 
currently lives in Tijuana and commutes across the border to his job in 
California every day.

Fears of Mexico are irrational IMO. I've never seen a place as dangerous 
in Mexico as many areas here in the Los Angeles basin.

Tyler

Loren Faeth wrote:
> I don't consider mexico to be part of the civilized world...  I feel 
> safe travelling anywhere in Italy.  I don't feel safe travelling 
> anywhere in Mexico without native, and preferably Federales 
> protection. (Bribed of course)
>
> At 09:26 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:
>> Second most corrupt - Mexico is ahead of them. Thanks, Tom Hargrave
>
>
>
>
> Loren Faeth

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel costs in Canada

2009-05-07 Thread E M

You'll have to recrunch all the numbers guys, regular went up another 2
cents Canadian here today.

Ed
300E, off to gas up later today.


2009/5/7 tyler 

> Google does currency exchange. I searched for "1 CAD in USD" and got this:
>
> 1 Canadian dollar = 0.85492 U.S. dollars
>
> and 1 USD in CAD:
>
> 1 U.S. dollar = 1.16970009 Canadian dollars
>
> Tyler
>
>
> Curt Raymond wrote:
>
>> Your math is right, I had to look at it a couple times before I realized
>> you were quoting the Canadian dollar as worth more than American...
>>
>> I just checked and they're saying 1.1719.
>> Oh wait... I think one of us is reading the chart backwards. I think
>> you're starting with USD on the side and scanning across to CAD which reads
>> (right now) .8533 which is USD per CAD.
>> I read the CAD row across to USD and got 1.1719 (Thats Canadian dollars)
>> which is verified by the Bank of Canada...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:30:24 -0400
>> From: "Archer" 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel costs in Canada
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>>
>> From: Curt Raymond
>> I think you might be basing it on an old exchange rate...
>> 4 liters to the gallon or thereabouts (3.7?) so $3.62CAN/gal which the
>> Bank of Canada say right now is $3.09. I paid $2.21 this morning.
>> Back 5 or 6 years ago you'd have been right but we've been floating right
>> around par for some time now.
>> -Curt
>> --
>> Hi Curt,
>> Here's the way I calculated it:  (3.7 L/u.s.gal): 3.7 x $0.91/L canadian =
>> $3.37 canadian for one U.S. gallon.
>> The exchange rate according to www.bloomberg.com  is $0.8585 canadian per
>> U.S. dollar
>> .8585 x 3.37 = US$2.89.
>> Or you could say: C$0.91/L = US$0.78,  3.7 L/USgal x US$0.78 = US$2.89/US
>> gal
>>  Did I do that right?
>> Gerry
>> --
>> the west cost is the most expensive gas in Canada. Here in Toronto,
>> regular
>> was 90.7 cents per litre Canadian today.
>> Ed
>> 300E which take premium. ouch. lol
>> 
>> Thanks, Ed. By my crude calculations; considering the conversions to U.S.
>> gallons and the exchange rate; Canadian 90.7 cents/liter gas would cost
>> about $2.88 per U.S.gallon. That would be about 32 cents/gal cheaper than
>> local gas. Sounds like a good time to vacation in Canada.
>> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:31 AM, tyler  wrote:
> For this same car, I've been looking for a replacement set of cooling hoses,
> and have been unable to even get a quote from anyone but the dealer, who
> wants something like $450 and has a one week wait for just the upper and
> lower radiator hoses which is absurd. I hope I never have a hose burst or
> I'm screwed!

There have to be companies out there that make custom-fit coolant
hoses for hot-rod and kit-car builders (otherwise how would you ever
put an arbitrary engine into an arbitrary chassis with the resulting
arbitrary distance between block and radiator?).  Wonder if that would
be cheaper?  Or maybe you can source some sort of tubing with the
correct temperature and corrosion-resistance specs from an
industrial-supply house like McMaster-Carr?

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel costs in Canada


Google does currency exchange. I searched for "1 CAD in USD" and got this:

1 Canadian dollar = 0.85492 U.S. dollars

and 1 USD in CAD:

1 U.S. dollar = 1.16970009 Canadian dollars

Tyler

Curt Raymond wrote:

Your math is right, I had to look at it a couple times before I realized you 
were quoting the Canadian dollar as worth more than American...

I just checked and they're saying 1.1719.
Oh wait... I think one of us is reading the chart backwards. I think you're 
starting with USD on the side and scanning across to CAD which reads (right 
now) .8533 which is USD per CAD.
I read the CAD row across to USD and got 1.1719 (Thats Canadian dollars) which 
is verified by the Bank of Canada...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:30:24 -0400
From: "Archer" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel costs in Canada
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"

From: Curt Raymond
I think you might be basing it on an old exchange rate...
4 liters to the gallon or thereabouts (3.7?) so $3.62CAN/gal which the Bank 
of Canada say right now is $3.09. I paid $2.21 this morning.
Back 5 or 6 years ago you'd have been right but we've been floating right 
around par for some time now.

-Curt
--
Hi Curt,
Here's the way I calculated it:  (3.7 L/u.s.gal): 3.7 x $0.91/L canadian = 
$3.37 canadian for one U.S. gallon.
The exchange rate according to www.bloomberg.com  is $0.8585 canadian per 
U.S. dollar

.8585 x 3.37 = US$2.89.
Or you could say: C$0.91/L = US$0.78,  3.7 L/USgal x US$0.78 = US$2.89/US 
gal

  Did I do that right?
Gerry
--
the west cost is the most expensive gas in Canada. Here in Toronto, regular
was 90.7 cents per litre Canadian today.
Ed
300E which take premium. ouch. lol

Thanks, Ed. By my crude calculations; considering the conversions to U.S.
gallons and the exchange rate; Canadian 90.7 cents/liter gas would cost
about $2.88 per U.S.gallon. That would be about 32 cents/gal cheaper than
local gas. Sounds like a good time to vacation in Canada.
Gerry


  
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel costs in Canada

Your math is right, I had to look at it a couple times before I realized you 
were quoting the Canadian dollar as worth more than American...

I just checked and they're saying 1.1719.
Oh wait... I think one of us is reading the chart backwards. I think you're 
starting with USD on the side and scanning across to CAD which reads (right 
now) .8533 which is USD per CAD.
I read the CAD row across to USD and got 1.1719 (Thats Canadian dollars) which 
is verified by the Bank of Canada...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:30:24 -0400
From: "Archer" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel costs in Canada
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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From: Curt Raymond
I think you might be basing it on an old exchange rate...
4 liters to the gallon or thereabouts (3.7?) so $3.62CAN/gal which the Bank 
of Canada say right now is $3.09. I paid $2.21 this morning.
Back 5 or 6 years ago you'd have been right but we've been floating right 
around par for some time now.
-Curt
--
Hi Curt,
Here's the way I calculated it:  (3.7 L/u.s.gal): 3.7 x $0.91/L canadian = 
$3.37 canadian for one U.S. gallon.
The exchange rate according to www.bloomberg.com  is $0.8585 canadian per 
U.S. dollar
.8585 x 3.37 = US$2.89.
Or you could say: C$0.91/L = US$0.78,  3.7 L/USgal x US$0.78 = US$2.89/US 
gal
  Did I do that right?
Gerry
--
the west cost is the most expensive gas in Canada. Here in Toronto, regular
was 90.7 cents per litre Canadian today.
Ed
300E which take premium. ouch. lol

Thanks, Ed. By my crude calculations; considering the conversions to U.S.
gallons and the exchange rate; Canadian 90.7 cents/liter gas would cost
about $2.88 per U.S.gallon. That would be about 32 cents/gal cheaper than
local gas. Sounds like a good time to vacation in Canada.
Gerry


  
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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

I got it from MACS, a small radiator shop that happened to be a block 
from where I discovered the problem. I was 1,000 miles from home and 
needed to get to work the very next day- and the shop had the radiator 
for me in under an hour! It's an OEM Behr... I have absolutely no idea 
how it was possible for them to source a german radiator for such a rare 
car in under an hour. When they said they could do it, I would have bet 
money they were mistaken, and I still didn't really believe it could be 
the right one until after I installed it.


The radiator is for a 190D Turbo- and Mercedes said it would take 1 week 
and cost $673.40 to get. I couldn't buy it from you because I would have 
been stranded and missing work while waiting for it to ship to 
Washington, and your online price is was higher at the time (but now 
your site says only $388 for it- still not worth missing a week of work 
over).


For this same car, I've been looking for a replacement set of cooling 
hoses, and have been unable to even get a quote from anyone but the 
dealer, who wants something like $450 and has a one week wait for just 
the upper and lower radiator hoses which is absurd. I hope I never have 
a hose burst or I'm screwed!


Tyler

Rusty Cullens wrote:

where did you buy that radiator?

Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message - From: "tyler" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?


I also have the 3 row Nissen on my 740 Turbo. It's an AMAZING 
radiator- all brass and super wide. I towed a 6,000lb trailer over a 
huge mountain pass with my 740 Turbo, and the engine only hit 105C.


Do they make something comparable for Mercedes? I just bought a 
plastic tanked Behr for my benz... and it was $500!


I don't think iPd carries those incredible Volvo radiators anymore :(

Tyler

Peter Hertzing wrote:

I can not respond on the brand for M Benz, but I have had the three row
nissens replacement for my 89 volvo 740. turbo for well over 250K 
with no

problems.




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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Curtis Raymond

Anything like that up here will be seriously butchered

Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:08:37 -0400
From: Mitch Haley 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Curtis Raymond
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Curt Raymond wrote:
> Enough that I definately can't haul it with the Ranger. Probably wouldn't 
> have hauled it with the Dakota either...

I don't know exactly what a Dynahoe 160 weighs, but I guarantee it is not under 
14k, and probably not over 20k (plus the trailer). You could probably tow one 
with a F250, but it wouldn't exactly be legal. That's a very heavy duty backhoe 
with a 16' maximum digging depth. If it works, $3k is quite the bargain.
Too bad all the prices I find like that are in New England or the deep south.
I did find an apparently buggered up Ford for $1800 locally.
http://lansing.craigslist.org/grd/1150077693.html

http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/grd/1156958302.html

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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-07 Thread Rusty Cullens


where did you buy that radiator?

Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message - 
From: "tyler" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?


I also have the 3 row Nissen on my 740 Turbo. It's an AMAZING radiator- all 
brass and super wide. I towed a 6,000lb trailer over a huge mountain pass 
with my 740 Turbo, and the engine only hit 105C.


Do they make something comparable for Mercedes? I just bought a plastic 
tanked Behr for my benz... and it was $500!


I don't think iPd carries those incredible Volvo radiators anymore :(

Tyler

Peter Hertzing wrote:

I can not respond on the brand for M Benz, but I have had the three row
nissens replacement for my 89 volvo 740. turbo for well over 250K with no
problems.



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Re: [MBZ] GM

2009-05-07 Thread Tim C .

Dunno what Mitch has, but my library (through the state library) subscribes to 
an auto-repair info service, which includes TSBs.  It's on their web page under 
'electronic resources'.  If you-all don't have such I can hunt particular 
requests.  I think it's by the former publishers of Chiltons?

Some of their repair information is just wrong (W115 240D maintenance 
descriptions/pictures are clearly for a W123, for example) but I suspect for 
the newer stuff it is more accurate...

Anyway let me know if you want something and I'll dig it out.

Thanks,
-Tim-Original Message-
From: Rick Knoble 
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:05 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM

> Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> Here's what the 2003 TSB said:

You have access to ALLDATA?

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 

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Re: [MBZ] OT - LORAN

2009-05-07 Thread LarryT


unable to locate & use the link about LORAN -  ??

https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp
Free 1 year NRA membership to anyone interested!

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "mercedes list" 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: [MBZ] OT - LORAN



LORAN (long range radio aid to navigation since WWII) bites the dust.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

2009-05-07 Thread Rich Thomas


I wish I was in Tijuana eating barbecued iguana.

--R

tyler wrote:
I feel safe travelling anywhere in Mexico and have spent a lot of time 
doing it an never had problems all over Baja and the Yucatan. My 
parents even lived down there for several years, and I have an uncle 
that currently lives in Tijuana and commutes across the border to his 
job in California every day.


Fears of Mexico are irrational IMO. I've never seen a place as 
dangerous in Mexico as many areas here in the Los Angeles basin.


Tyler

Loren Faeth wrote:
I don't consider mexico to be part of the civilized world...  I feel 
safe travelling anywhere in Italy.  I don't feel safe travelling 
anywhere in Mexico without native, and preferably Federales 
protection. (Bribed of course)


At 09:26 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:

Second most corrupt - Mexico is ahead of them. Thanks, Tom Hargrave





Loren Faeth


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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler

I feel safe travelling anywhere in Mexico and have spent a lot of time 
doing it an never had problems all over Baja and the Yucatan. My parents 
even lived down there for several years, and I have an uncle that 
currently lives in Tijuana and commutes across the border to his job in 
California every day.


Fears of Mexico are irrational IMO. I've never seen a place as dangerous 
in Mexico as many areas here in the Los Angeles basin.


Tyler

Loren Faeth wrote:
I don't consider mexico to be part of the civilized world...  I feel 
safe travelling anywhere in Italy.  I don't feel safe travelling 
anywhere in Mexico without native, and preferably Federales 
protection. (Bribed of course)


At 09:26 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:

Second most corrupt - Mexico is ahead of them. Thanks, Tom Hargrave





Loren Faeth


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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

I also have the 3 row Nissen on my 740 Turbo. It's an AMAZING radiator- 
all brass and super wide. I towed a 6,000lb trailer over a huge mountain 
pass with my 740 Turbo, and the engine only hit 105C.


Do they make something comparable for Mercedes? I just bought a plastic 
tanked Behr for my benz... and it was $500!


I don't think iPd carries those incredible Volvo radiators anymore :(

Tyler

Peter Hertzing wrote:

I can not respond on the brand for M Benz, but I have had the three row
nissens replacement for my 89 volvo 740. turbo for well over 250K with no
problems.



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Re: [MBZ] Puzzling case of the locked fuel door - W123 300TD


one locking line and two unlocking lines were leaking.
Where do I go from here?


_Now_ you go into the indicated doors.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-07 Thread Rusty Cullens


They are fine, I have in all my cars.

Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

To: "mercedes Mailing List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:59 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?


OK, are these any good?  Rusty?  Need a radiator for my E300.  I can buy 
a used one searching car=part.com which may or may not be OE for around 
150-170 plus whatever shipping, so probably 20-30 more for shipping.  
Or, I can spend 220 for a new nissens from Rusty.  Im almost leaning 
toward the new one but wondered if those were any good.


--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 
89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 
84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
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[MBZ] OT - LORAN

LORAN (long range radio aid to navigation since WWII) bites the dust.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel costs in Canada

2009-05-07 Thread Archer


From: Curt Raymond
I think you might be basing it on an old exchange rate...
4 liters to the gallon or thereabouts (3.7?) so $3.62CAN/gal which the Bank 
of Canada say right now is $3.09. I paid $2.21 this morning.
Back 5 or 6 years ago you'd have been right but we've been floating right 
around par for some time now.

-Curt
--
Hi Curt,
Here's the way I calculated it:  (3.7 L/u.s.gal): 3.7 x $0.91/L canadian = 
$3.37 canadian for one U.S. gallon.
The exchange rate according to www.bloomberg.com  is $0.8585 canadian per 
U.S. dollar

.8585 x 3.37 = US$2.89.
Or you could say: C$0.91/L = US$0.78,  3.7 L/USgal x US$0.78 = US$2.89/US 
gal

 Did I do that right?
Gerry
--
the west cost is the most expensive gas in Canada. Here in Toronto, regular
was 90.7 cents per litre Canadian today.
Ed
300E which take premium. ouch. lol

Thanks, Ed. By my crude calculations; considering the conversions to U.S.
gallons and the exchange rate; Canadian 90.7 cents/liter gas would cost
about $2.88 per U.S.gallon. That would be about 32 cents/gal cheaper than
local gas. Sounds like a good time to vacation in Canada.
Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] 300E issues

It is an 89.

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> your engine number is on a plate, but it can also generally be looked up
> via
> your vin.
>
> also, you can often guess which one you need.  for example, if your car is
> an 86, it's pretty likely you need an early one.
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Curtis Raymond


Curt Raymond wrote:

Enough that I definately can't haul it with the Ranger. Probably wouldn't have 
hauled it with the Dakota either...


I don't know exactly what a Dynahoe 160 weighs, but I guarantee it is not under 
14k, and probably not over 20k (plus the trailer). You could probably tow one 
with a F250, but it wouldn't exactly be legal. That's a very heavy duty backhoe 
with a 16' maximum digging depth. If it works, $3k is quite the bargain.

Too bad all the prices I find like that are in New England or the deep south.
I did find an apparently buggered up Ford for $1800 locally.
http://lansing.craigslist.org/grd/1150077693.html

http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/grd/1156958302.html

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Curtis Raymond

2009-05-07 Thread Rich Thomas


If you got that you could name it "Mum."

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:

Enough that I definately can't haul it with the Ranger. Probably wouldn't have 
hauled it with the Dakota either...

I definately should have bought a full size truck. I love the Ranger, don't get 
me wrong, but it'd be real handy to have a full size hauler... When I replace 
the Ranger maybe 1/2ton full size diesels will be a reality.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 23:10:17 -0400
From: Mitch Haley 
Subject: [MBZ] Secret message for Curtis Raymond
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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I forget what one of these weighs, but I think it's about five or six 240Ds.

http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/grd/1156958302.html


  
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Re: [MBZ] Better buy 'em now boys

2009-05-07 Thread Donald Snook

Tom H. wrote: "The Festiva may have looked cheap but I knew many pizza delivery 
people who put 200K - 300K on the cars with no major issues. Friends were 
searching the local junkyards for seats, window regulators and door latches."

When my mother was a home health care nurse, she drove a Festiva. She loved it 
(I hated it). But, I do have to admit, she had ZERO problems with it even 
putting 150-200K miles on it.  It also was very thrifty on gas.  I think I 
doubled the weight of the car when I drove it.


Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel costs in Canada

I think you might be basing it on an old exchange rate...
4 liters to the gallon or thereabouts (3.7?) so $3.62CAN/gal which the Bank of 
Canada say right now is $3.09. I paid $2.21 this morning.

Back 5 or 6 years ago you'd have been right but we've been floating right 
around par for some time now.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 04:34:33 -0400
From: "Archer" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel costs in Canada
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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the west cost is the most expensive gas in Canada.  Here in Toronto, regular
was 90.7 cents per litre Canadian today.
Ed
300E  which take premium.  ouch. lol

Thanks, Ed.  By my crude calculations; considering the conversions to U.S. 
gallons and the exchange rate; Canadian 90.7 cents/liter gas would cost 
about $2.88 per U.S.gallon.  That would be about 32 cents/gal cheaper than 
local gas.  Sounds like a good time to vacation in Canada.
Gerry 


  
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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Curtis Raymond

Enough that I definately can't haul it with the Ranger. Probably wouldn't have 
hauled it with the Dakota either...

I definately should have bought a full size truck. I love the Ranger, don't get 
me wrong, but it'd be real handy to have a full size hauler... When I replace 
the Ranger maybe 1/2ton full size diesels will be a reality.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 23:10:17 -0400
From: Mitch Haley 
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I forget what one of these weighs, but I think it's about five or six 240Ds.

http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/grd/1156958302.html


  
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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?

They should not need a tax number for the off road fuel, that is why its
dyed. Sounds like it was just something that particular station did.

Allan Streib wrote:

Loren Faeth writes:

I forgot to add that off-road Diesel for tractors, crawlers,
stationary engines, bonfires, etc. has no road taxes, if you can find
a place to buy it tax free when you need it.

I once rented a small John Deere tractor with a front-loader and yard
box for some landscaping work. While trailering it back to the rental
shop, I stopped to fuel it up. I was in a fairly rural area and they
did have an "off-road" pump which I used, but when I went in to pay they
asked me for my "tax number" which I did not have and so they charged me
the tax anyway.

My pointing out that the tractor was clearly an off road vehicle and in
fact was sitting on a trailer had no impact.

Allan

At 08:59 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote:

Colleagues in Alms

The NZ government is reviewing the way taxes are levied on diesel
sales. And not before time.

We have a hugely cumbersome system called Road User Charges (RUC)
designed to apportion the cost of maintaining roads fairly among
mobile diesel users. Owners of stationary diesel plant don't have to
pay the tax.

Unlike petrol users who pay their tax at the pump, we diesel users
have to buy their tax separately, usually at the end of long queues
at post offices. We are levied in advance on distance travelled and
the fully laden weight of our vehicles. As you can imagine,
multi-axle trucks pay big money because they do more damage to our
roads.

My 300TD is in the 3-tonne class. For 3107 miles (5000 km), I pay
$NZ190. Believe it or not, that includes a bloody service fee of
$10. A fee to pay to a tax?!!

Once I calculate the tax paid per mile travelled, the pump-price
differential between petrol and diesel ** closes very
significantly. If, as it does sometimes, the differential vanishes
altogether, the only economic benefit of running a diesel becomes
the longer distances travelled per litre.

So, how are diesel taxes levied in your neck of the wood?

Euan

1985 300TD 5-spd manual
215K mi

** [NZ pump prices today (urban centres) -- $0.99c / ltr diesel;
$1.55c / ltr 91 octane petrol ]

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[MBZ] Puzzling case of the locked fuel door - W123 300TD

2009-05-07 Thread andrew strasfogel

The central locking system in my w123 300TD wagon only holds a few minutes.
The odd part is that the fuel door doesn't automatically unlock when the
vacuum disappears.  I checked and it is still being sucked closed, so I had
to manually pull up the locking lever.  I also tested the threee lock and
three unlock lines under the front PS carpet. Results: one locking line and
two unlocking lines were leaking!  I do know that the lock and unlock
circuits on the RR door work.  The fuel door vacuum element itself - which
has only one line going into it - is fine, btw,  Where do I go from here?

Andrew
1983 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] More from Chrysler


Tom Hargrave wrote:


BTW, if you can bribe someone in a poor country for protection then someone
else can pay him $20.00 more than you are offering to turn against you.


That was my thought when some friends were telling me how cheap Honduran 
property was. "But you have to hire round the clock security". And I'm thinking 
 the guys you're hiring will not be as dedicated to their jobs as the S.S. guys 
who follow Obama around.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel costs in Canada

2009-05-07 Thread Archer


the west cost is the most expensive gas in Canada.  Here in Toronto, regular
was 90.7 cents per litre Canadian today.
Ed
300E  which take premium.  ouch. lol

Thanks, Ed.  By my crude calculations; considering the conversions to U.S. 
gallons and the exchange rate; Canadian 90.7 cents/liter gas would cost 
about $2.88 per U.S.gallon.  That would be about 32 cents/gal cheaper than 
local gas.  Sounds like a good time to vacation in Canada.
Gerry 
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

2009-05-07 Thread E M

the west cost is the most expensive gas in Canada.  Here in Toronto, regular
was 90.7 cents per litre Canadian today.

Ed
300E  which take premium.  ouch. lol

2009/5/7 Archer 

> From: E M
>
> Just wanted to say, I got back from my local indie parts shop.  Small place
> I've used when not buying factory original, which I buy 90% of the time.
> Anyway, thought I'd try some after market brakes, so had my guy order up
> new
> rotors for the front, along with pads and sensors.  $168 Canadian, with
> taxes.  At current exchange rates, I think that's equal to a couple of
> McDonald Happy Meals in the US. lol
> Who says driving a benz has to be expensive. ;-)  So far, this car has been
> pretty cheap motoring.  New tires later in the week, about $450 out the
> door
> for Uniroyals.  I'm really starting to appreciate the running costs of this
> car!!
> Ed
> 300E
> ---
> Hi Ed,
> How much does your gas cost you in Canadian versus American dollars?
> Several years ago I was in Vancouver and thought about driving back to the
> East Coast via Canada.  Changed my mind after comparing the cost of U.S.
> fuel versus Canadian fuel.
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Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?


No number = no tax break
What are they supposed to do? Take a picture and send that to the tax 
people?


Hendrik

Allan Streib wrote:

Loren Faeth  writes:

  

I forgot to add that off-road Diesel for tractors, crawlers,
stationary engines, bonfires, etc. has no road taxes, if you can find
a place to buy it tax free when you need it.



I once rented a small John Deere tractor with a front-loader and yard
box for some landscaping work.  While trailering it back to the rental
shop, I stopped to fuel it up.  I was in a fairly rural area and they
did have an "off-road" pump which I used, but when I went in to pay they
asked me for my "tax number" which I did not have and so they charged me
the tax anyway.

My pointing out that the tractor was clearly an off road vehicle and in
fact was sitting on a trailer had no impact.

Allan
  

  



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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?