Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
Thanks, I'll look for that one. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: HF has a Cis kit also, it's the $100 One Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
Thanks, Peter. What about the O-ring on the fuel pressure regulator in the side of the fuel distributor? My research shows that it can also be an issue, especially in cars where the fuel system has been crudded up. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The leaking points are: fuel distributor to throttle body boot (buried on that car, you have to remove the manifold I think, but you have to anyway, see point #2) seals between intake manifold halves (this is an issue for all the V8s of that design type) Idle control valve hoses Injector seals Injector holder seals (bet you didn't even know they existed, eh?). On the M103 there is a plastic sleeve the injector fits into, and they have an o-ring in a slot on the outside to seal with the manifold. They go bad, and replacing the injector seals doesn't fix the issue. Typically all these must be replaced together, so its better to pull the manifold and do it all at once. The throttle body to fuel distributor boot bolts to the fuel distributor, so it all has to come out. Makes a big improvement in running and throttle response when you get it all sealed up. Another point to check is a sticky fuel distributor air flap pivot or plunger seal. If the flap does not move very freely with light pressure and spring back up to the idle stop by itself if depressed, you need to clean it and maybe pull the plunger and clean that. Once in a while the plunger seal gets leaky or drags too much, in either case mixture control is erratic and you get running problems. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
No EHA on this car. It predates them. Just barely. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Fellow MB 126 gasser guy says when they sit it's the fuel distributor with EHA that goes bad. Was bad on my neighbor's 560SEL. Can test flow. Anyway just another scientific wild a. guess to add to others. On Jul 21, 2014 5:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Finally heard back from the owner. Here's what he tells me: He got the car from the original owner. It had been parked for a couple of years after being run out of fuel. Wouldn't start or run when he got it. He replaced the fuel pump and filter and put fresh fuel in the tank. Fuel pump builds up pressure and turns off. Car will start and idle, but when you attempt to drive (load) the engine, it dies. He thinks the fuel strainer may be clogged up, but isn't interested in putting any more time into it. He says the hose from the strainer to the pump looks a little rough, and he's wondering if there might be some air leaks there. He got the car from the original owner either for free or very little from what I can tell, so it has just been a project to tinker with. He doesn't know MBs and seems obsessed about the original owner paying more than $60,000 for it new in 1984!! This does not seem to be an effort to pump up the price, just some sort of awe that a car would have cost that much in the day. I was going to run over to Harbor Freight and pick up a fuel pressure tester, but theirs says it doesn't work on Bosch or CIS-Jetronic. Is this the case? http://www.harborfreight.com/fuel-injection-pump-tester-92699.html It definitely sounds like a fuel delivery issue, as he says as they have tinkered with it there have been times when it could be driven at 20-30 MPH without a problem, then after being parked for a day it wouldn't do more than idle, that is, when loaded it would stumble and miss. I'm still going to take a jumper for the fuel pump relay, but I don't think that's the issue. Interior is said to be very good, with the stitching on the top of the back seat coming loose (nothing new there) and the exterior having a nickel-sized spot of rust bubble in front of the passenger side rear wheel well. Let's hear those ideas, guys! I nee some direction so I'll know what to look for when I get up there tomorrow night! Thanks! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
OK Don via Mercedes wrote: When I started having trouble with the '78 450SLC running right, I bought a CIS testing kit from JC Whittney, I don't remember that it was very expensive at the time. It had the proper fittings to connect to the steel lines. You have to connect in a couple of places to test the system properly, not just output pressure from the pump. The instructions that came with the gauge set were adequate for testing the system. IIRC, I also bought a book on the CIS system that was very handy. Peter can correct me if I'm wrong (working from 25 year old memory here), but IIRC you hook the gauge, which includes a shutoff valve, to two places on the distributor, one near the inlet and pressure regulator and the other on top. With the valve open, it reads control pressure, with the valve shut, it reads the regulated fuel pressure. It's rather simple to pull the shims, spring, and ball to clean the regulator. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
Is there a ball in the regulator? If memory serves me correctly, I know there is a plunger with an O-ring and some shims. I just want to be prepared in the event that decide to pop it out to have a look Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Peter can correct me if I'm wrong (working from 25 year old memory here), but IIRC you hook the gauge, which includes a shutoff valve, to two places on the distributor, one near the inlet and pressure regulator and the other on top. With the valve open, it reads control pressure, with the valve shut, it reads the regulated fuel pressure. It's rather simple to pull the shims, spring, and ball to clean the regulator. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
I think they call it the master kit. It does Cis although I have not used it on Cis yet. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Thanks, I'll look for that one. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: HF has a Cis kit also, it's the $100 One Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
Found it. Currently on sale for $89.00. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I think they call it the master kit. It does Cis although I have not used it on Cis yet. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Thanks, I'll look for that one. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: HF has a Cis kit also, it's the $100 One Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] I'll pass on the peas.
My father-in-law has always been reluctant to talk about his wartime service. This was due to the fact that he was a POW camp guard, and in his mind not a worthy contribution to the war effort. He's never really opened up about it at length, but we know that he guarded German prisoners at Camp Atterbury in south central Indiana, close to the town he grew up in, Ninevah, IN. What we do know is that many of the POWs were used as farm laborers and were well thought of by the locals. They welcomed the into their homes and became friends with many of them. From what we were told a number of them either remained in the area after the war or returned on their own to live in the area. There was a large German community in Indianapolis, so I am sure some might have headed that way. The area I grew up in on the south side of Indianapolis had a lot of first generation German immigrants who were farmers. Dan Sent from my iPad ** Local story: Our high school's German teacher was a former POW in a camp in Reedsburg, WI, in southern Wisconsin. His day job along with other POW's was to work the fields for a pea farmer. While I'm sure he ultimately had a well balanced diet, his vegetable ration consisted of peas, peas, and more peas. He stayed in the States after the war, and the employment path of least resistance for him was to teach high school German, which he did into the 1980's before retiring. He told us his POW stories, and while his memories were mostly good ones, he said he never ate another pea again, for which I can't blame him. DBV ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I'll pass on the peas.
My FIL has said that while he was a guard, it was sort of a joke in the sense that none of these guys were a threat of any sort and they got along well. They knew they had it good from a POW standpoint compared to how bad it could be. From the few stories he told, they weren't even secured at night, and were often entertained at local homes for dinner and holidays. Understand that this was a really rural area at the time and the opportunity to escape without the assistance of the locals would be pretty slim, too. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Van Knutson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ** Local story: Our high school's German teacher was a former POW in a camp in Reedsburg, WI, in southern Wisconsin. His day job along with other POW's was to work the fields for a pea farmer. While I'm sure he ultimately had a well balanced diet, his vegetable ration consisted of peas, peas, and more peas. He stayed in the States after the war, and the employment path of least resistance for him was to teach high school German, which he did into the 1980's before retiring. He told us his POW stories, and while his memories were mostly good ones, he said he never ate another pea again, for which I can't blame him. DBV ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
Find a 20% off coupon online to save more Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Found it. Currently on sale for $89.00. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I think they call it the master kit. It does Cis although I have not used it on Cis yet. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Thanks, I'll look for that one. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: HF has a Cis kit also, it's the $100 One Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I'll pass on the peas.
Peas on Earth to Men of Good Will! Envision Whirled Peas! --R On 7/22/14 9:15 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: My FIL has said that while he was a guard, it was sort of a joke in the sense that none of these guys were a threat of any sort and they got along well. They knew they had it good from a POW standpoint compared to how bad it could be. From the few stories he told, they weren't even secured at night, and were often entertained at local homes for dinner and holidays. Understand that this was a really rural area at the time and the opportunity to escape without the assistance of the locals would be pretty slim, too. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Van Knutson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ** Local story: Our high school's German teacher was a former POW in a camp in Reedsburg, WI, in southern Wisconsin. His day job along with other POW's was to work the fields for a pea farmer. While I'm sure he ultimately had a well balanced diet, his vegetable ration consisted of peas, peas, and more peas. He stayed in the States after the war, and the employment path of least resistance for him was to teach high school German, which he did into the 1980's before retiring. He told us his POW stories, and while his memories were mostly good ones, he said he never ate another pea again, for which I can't blame him. DBV ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] adjusting valves
I put a dab of White-out on the valve stems as I adjust them. Once all have a white dot on all of them I'm done! ;-) LarryT 91 300D 78 240D On 7/9/2014 12:35 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I used to make a little map of the valves and cross them out as I did them. Made it easy to keep track of what I had done and kept me from missing one. I also did all the intakes at one time and then all the exhausts. That way you're working with the same set of gauges. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 8, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I would add that the gap will change as you tighten the jam nut. So measure the gap before you loosen it. Guess at the required adjustment and do it then retighten and measure. After a few valves you'll get good at guessing and dial each one in with only one or two attempts. Also, I make a picture of the valves and write down the before and after gaps for each valve. That way I don't miss any or double adjust any. It's also interesting to see how much adjustment was needed. Also, wear plastic (like nitrile) gloves; Diesel oil stains. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 6:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] adjusting valves I have been more than a bit negligent in terms of keeping the valves set on my old 300D. I bought the tools and the new gasket but have yet to do it. I was thinking about it this past weekend and did a bit of searching online. The advice offered was pretty loose. My past experience with gas engines required one to turn to the specific timing marks etc. The advice offered on the diesels seemed to be just to turn the cam so that the point sticks up. Is that considered close enough? I have never disconnected the throttle linkage? I seem to recall someone suggested one just pops them apart by prying with a screwdriver? Is that correct? I really don't want to damage anything by my own lack of knowledge on how to do it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] adjusting valves
I used a drawing. I also used 2 sets of feeler gauges and just adjusted whatever one was next up when I turned the cam. I discovered 2 things that I hope to remember for next time. The 2nd from the last valve - (exhaust on #5 I think) required that I use a different wrench. I have the special bent wrenches and they worked fine everywhere else but that one is too close to the cam support tower and the firewall so I used the bent wrench on the bottom nut and a normal wrench on the upper one but had to mess about to find a wrench that was the right length. The other thing is that I want to find a different wrench to turn the power steering pump. I think, maybe a ratcheting boxend with a modified handle so it sticks up a bit higher. I still have bruises on both arms from my efforts to turn the cam. Randy On 22/07/2014 9:57 AM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: I put a dab of White-out on the valve stems as I adjust them. Once all have a white dot on all of them I'm done! ;-) LarryT 91 300D 78 240D On 7/9/2014 12:35 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I used to make a little map of the valves and cross them out as I did them. Made it easy to keep track of what I had done and kept me from missing one. I also did all the intakes at one time and then all the exhausts. That way you're working with the same set of gauges. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] German POWs from WWII
There were POW camps on Lake of the Woods during the war. One of the fellows who was imprisoned there went home to Germany after the war but continued to visit during the summers and owned a cottage there in his retirement until he and his wife became too old to make the trip any more. He had very fond memories of his time there during the war. He felt he was treated very well. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] W123 front speakers
The front speakers are shot on the 1983 300TD. How wasy is it to R/R the front speakers? Anybody have any good used ones sitting on a shelf? Is it possible to purchase a pair of new or NOS speakers that fit exactly without rewiring? Andrew Who listens exclusively to classical music when he drives his German machine. (Bach is das best accompaniment to the turbodiesel engine noise) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] German POWs from WWII
I wonder how well OUR soldiers fared in German POW camps... On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There were POW camps on Lake of the Woods during the war. One of the fellows who was imprisoned there went home to Germany after the war but continued to visit during the summers and owned a cottage there in his retirement until he and his wife became too old to make the trip any more. He had very fond memories of his time there during the war. He felt he was treated very well. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 115 front speakers too
Anyone know for certain how to remove the speaker in the middle of the dash on a 115? The cover is already off of it and I see 4 brass colored tabs. I assume it should pop out if I pry on the tabs but am reluctant to damage anything. I don't know if there is a speaker under there but I would like to repair or recover the grill so it looks better. I have the original cover but it is somewhat shrunken so I don't know if I could re-use it. Since I don't use the spearker, I could just cover the whole thing or, I guess I could punch some holes in the replacement cover. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 front speakers
Those are pretty hard to get at but doable. I think the originals are some particular size known only to gnomes in the Black Forest. I think (I can't remember now for sure) I put some new ones in the TD, took a lot of contortions, or maybe I did the contortions then decided it wasn't worth it. They are fairly small as I recall, maybe 2 or 3 inches. someone else probably has better info and could contradict my experience, which was soon after I got the car and probably pre-list. --R On 7/22/14 11:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The front speakers are shot on the 1983 300TD. How wasy is it to R/R the front speakers? Anybody have any good used ones sitting on a shelf? Is it possible to purchase a pair of new or NOS speakers that fit exactly without rewiring? Andrew Who listens exclusively to classical music when he drives his German machine. (Bach is das best accompaniment to the turbodiesel engine noise) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 front speakers
I don't have a turbo, but I just listen to the engine. (That is because there is a hole in the dash where the radio is supposed to be.) On 22/07/2014 10:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Andrew Who listens exclusively to classical music when he drives his German machine. (Bach is das best accompaniment to the turbodiesel engine noise) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
http://www.dealsoff.com/images/harbor-freight-coupons-0913.png Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. Original Message From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 7:55 AM To: Mercedes List Reply To: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!! Found it. Currently on sale for $89.00. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I think they call it the master kit. It does Cis although I have not used it on Cis yet. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Thanks, I'll look for that one. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: HF has a Cis kit also, it's the $100 One Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 front speakers
http://www.beckerautosound.com/Speaker/mb speakers 123.html Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 10:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: [MBZ] W123 front speakers The front speakers are shot on the 1983 300TD. How wasy is it to R/R the front speakers? Anybody have any good used ones sitting on a shelf? Is it possible to purchase a pair of new or NOS speakers that fit exactly without rewiring? Andrew Who listens exclusively to classical music when he drives his German machine. (Bach is das best accompaniment to the turbodiesel engine noise) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] German POWs from WWII
POW camp in USA was a cake walk compared to duty at the Russian front these guys knew it. There was a concerted effort to impress German POW's on just how wonderful America was, while maintaining the POW status. Overall, we Americans were very humane in treatment of prisoners in the WW2 conflict. [some notable battlefield exceptions do however apply, in the Pacific arena] War however is not a beauty contest. I grew up with Veterans of WW2, learned to fly with one bomber pilot and one fighter pilot. Almost all our neighbors were veterans and yet I never heard them talk of war. General attitude after being at war and in combat was they were glad to be done with it and get on with life. On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There were POW camps on Lake of the Woods during the war. One of the fellows who was imprisoned there went home to Germany after the war but continued to visit during the summers and owned a cottage there in his retirement until he and his wife became too old to make the trip any more. He had very fond memories of his time there during the war. He felt he was treated very well. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 front speakers
Isn't there just a little Phillips head screw that holds the grille in place on the W123? The speakers are metric in size, so if you buy aftermarket speakers be aware of the for fitment purposes. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.beckerautosound.com/Speaker/mb speakers 123.html Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 10:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: [MBZ] W123 front speakers The front speakers are shot on the 1983 300TD. How wasy is it to R/R the front speakers? Anybody have any good used ones sitting on a shelf? Is it possible to purchase a pair of new or NOS speakers that fit exactly without rewiring? Andrew Who listens exclusively to classical music when he drives his German machine. (Bach is das best accompaniment to the turbodiesel engine noise) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 front speakers
The originals are easy to get at... Remove the single screw from the grille and contort it out... They originals sit in the opening... Special clip-in IIRC. A 4 aftermarket can probably fit in there if you cut off the mounting ears (save 1) and make sure it does not have a protrusion (such as a 2-way) above the rim... You CAN mount new ones underneath, but be careful of the eyeball vents; you will have to disassemble them and could break them (twisting the body with respect to the front ring seems to get them out relatively undamaged). Going for under mount, you might want to keep a unit or so in your type/rh factor handy, especially if your hands aren't small... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jul 22, 2014, at 12:25, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Those are pretty hard to get at but doable. I think the originals are some particular size known only to gnomes in the Black Forest. I think (I can't remember now for sure) I put some new ones in the TD, took a lot of contortions, or maybe I did the contortions then decided it wasn't worth it. They are fairly small as I recall, maybe 2 or 3 inches. someone else probably has better info and could contradict my experience, which was soon after I got the car and probably pre-list. --R On 7/22/14 11:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The front speakers are shot on the 1983 300TD. How wasy is it to R/R the front speakers? Anybody have any good used ones sitting on a shelf? Is it possible to purchase a pair of new or NOS speakers that fit exactly without rewiring? Andrew Who listens exclusively to classical music when he drives his German machine. (Bach is das best accompaniment to the turbodiesel engine noise) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 115 front speakers too
I don't remember exactly how the speaker was mounted, but I would have guessed that it was held in with four screws. I removed the heater fan through the speaker hole the second time I did that job - took half the time of the book method. On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Anyone know for certain how to remove the speaker in the middle of the dash on a 115? The cover is already off of it and I see 4 brass colored tabs. I assume it should pop out if I pry on the tabs but am reluctant to damage anything. I don't know if there is a speaker under there but I would like to repair or recover the grill so it looks better. I have the original cover but it is somewhat shrunken so I don't know if I could re-use it. Since I don't use the spearker, I could just cover the whole thing or, I guess I could punch some holes in the replacement cover. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] German POWs from WWII
My family had German POWs on the farm during the war. My grandmother tells stories of how they all wanted to hold my dad on their breaks and how they missed their kids back home and whatnot. She says the guard used to leave his gun in the car and do farm work too. According to her none of the prisoners were ever a problem. One day one of the POWs asked my dad where his father was, my dad replied Out killing Germans. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:26 AM Subject: [MBZ] German POWs from WWII There were POW camps on Lake of the Woods during the war. One of the fellows who was imprisoned there went home to Germany after the war but continued to visit during the summers and owned a cottage there in his retirement until he and his wife became too old to make the trip any more. He had very fond memories of his time there during the war. He felt he was treated very well. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] German POWs from WWII
Did he say it with a straight face? On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My family had German POWs on the farm during the war. My grandmother tells stories of how they all wanted to hold my dad on their breaks and how they missed their kids back home and whatnot. She says the guard used to leave his gun in the car and do farm work too. According to her none of the prisoners were ever a problem. One day one of the POWs asked my dad where his father was, my dad replied Out killing Germans. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:26 AM Subject: [MBZ] German POWs from WWII There were POW camps on Lake of the Woods during the war. One of the fellows who was imprisoned there went home to Germany after the war but continued to visit during the summers and owned a cottage there in his retirement until he and his wife became too old to make the trip any more. He had very fond memories of his time there during the war. He felt he was treated very well. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] German POWs from WWII
Presumably, he was two years old... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] German POWs from WWII Did he say it with a straight face? On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My family had German POWs on the farm during the war. My grandmother tells stories of how they all wanted to hold my dad on their breaks and how they missed their kids back home and whatnot. She says the guard used to leave his gun in the car and do farm work too. According to her none of the prisoners were ever a problem. One day one of the POWs asked my dad where his father was, my dad replied Out killing Germans. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:26 AM Subject: [MBZ] German POWs from WWII There were POW camps on Lake of the Woods during the war. One of the fellows who was imprisoned there went home to Germany after the war but continued to visit during the summers and owned a cottage there in his retirement until he and his wife became too old to make the trip any more. He had very fond memories of his time there during the war. He felt he was treated very well. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] German POWs from WWII
He was llkely pre-ironic --R On 7/22/14 3:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Did he say it with a straight face? On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My family had German POWs on the farm during the war. My grandmother tells stories of how they all wanted to hold my dad on their breaks and how they missed their kids back home and whatnot. She says the guard used to leave his gun in the car and do farm work too. According to her none of the prisoners were ever a problem. One day one of the POWs asked my dad where his father was, my dad replied Out killing Germans. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?
Hey Ya'll, Just returned from the shop after being told I have one BJ that won't pass inspection and the other close behind. The shop wasn't clear on which was the more economical direction to go -- RR BJ's or RR LCA's. I'd like the list's comments please? Sorry if I missed this thread before... Also, Is this something I should attempt? I have the tools (exc a spring compressor) and the talent but I'm not sure I want to undertake another major job after the Evaporator. I know that's a personal choice but I'm not sure how big a job this is? I have air tools like impact wrenches and others, - any specialty tools needed? i have a spring compressor but I'm a little concerned about it being robust enough to hold these springs. I can always chain the springs to the suspension and lower the LCAs until the stress is removed, right? I've done it on other cars but not a W124 so I'm in unknown territory here. Any suggestions are appreciated Now i'm off to check hurstys prices... ;-) Thanks ya'll -- LarryT 91 300D 2.5T ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?
Unless the bushings are bad on the lca you just want to replace the ball joint. No need for spring compressor but either need the proper press or the HF one with some pipe adapters Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2014, at 2:23 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hey Ya'll, Just returned from the shop after being told I have one BJ that won't pass inspection and the other close behind. The shop wasn't clear on which was the more economical direction to go -- RR BJ's or RR LCA's. I'd like the list's comments please? Sorry if I missed this thread before... Also, Is this something I should attempt? I have the tools (exc a spring compressor) and the talent but I'm not sure I want to undertake another major job after the Evaporator. I know that's a personal choice but I'm not sure how big a job this is? I have air tools like impact wrenches and others, - any specialty tools needed? i have a spring compressor but I'm a little concerned about it being robust enough to hold these springs. I can always chain the springs to the suspension and lower the LCAs until the stress is removed, right? I've done it on other cars but not a W124 so I'm in unknown territory here. Any suggestions are appreciated Now i'm off to check hurstys prices... ;-) Thanks ya'll -- LarryT 91 300D 2.5T ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
I always connected a CIS gauge in line with the warm up regulator. See the work instruction here: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11883/PROGRAM/Engine/107/M116_38/07.3-120.pdf In checking the car for possible purchase, I'd check movement of the air flow regulating plate on the fuel distributor. It should move smoothly when pressed down and return back to its idle position by itself. Ideally, do this with the fuel pump jumpered. You can hear the injectors scream when the plate is pushed down. (But don't do this too much or you risk flooding the engine). Since the car has sat for a while, I'd guess there are fuel distributor issues. Fuel pressure and vacuum leaks are also a good to investigate. Most likely with the age of the car and lack of care its received, theres probably more than one thing wrong. The Delorian guy in Texas is a great source for rebuilt fuel distributors, btw. Hes just a bit quirky to deal with http://www.specialtauto.com/mercedes-parts/index.html Good luck! Jaime On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is there a ball in the regulator? If memory serves me correctly, I know there is a plunger with an O-ring and some shims. I just want to be prepared in the event that decide to pop it out to have a look Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Peter can correct me if I'm wrong (working from 25 year old memory here), but IIRC you hook the gauge, which includes a shutoff valve, to two places on the distributor, one near the inlet and pressure regulator and the other on top. With the valve open, it reads control pressure, with the valve shut, it reads the regulated fuel pressure. It's rather simple to pull the shims, spring, and ball to clean the regulator. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?
They said the bushings were dry rotted so I think it wise to replace them also. It looks like I can replace the bushings and BJs more economically than getting a new LCA. But I've never heard of a supplier of the Bushing Kit called First Equipment Quality (they may as well named it A1 Real Good Stuff) :-) But for the pair I'd save $50 over the LemForder bushing kits. Should I spring for the Lemforder or might the First Equipment Quality be as good as they'd like me to think they are? Thanks - now to price the BJs. Looks like the Lemfotder is available for $22.36 each. Not bad! Actually I have a couple of BJs on the shelf for my '78 240D but i don't believe they will work in the 91 300D. Thanks for the help - Thanks ya'll - Larry 91 300D On 7/22/2014 3:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Unless the bushings are bad on the lca you just want to replace the ball joint. No need for spring compressor but either need the proper press or the HF one with some pipe adapters Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2014, at 2:23 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hey Ya'll, Just returned from the shop after being told I have one BJ that won't pass inspection and the other close behind. The shop wasn't clear on which was the more economical direction to go -- RR BJ's or RR LCA's. I'd like the list's comments please? Sorry if I missed this thread before... Also, Is this something I should attempt? I have the tools (exc a spring compressor) and the talent but I'm not sure I want to undertake another major job after the Evaporator. I know that's a personal choice but I'm not sure how big a job this is? I have air tools like impact wrenches and others, - any specialty tools needed? i have a spring compressor but I'm a little concerned about it being robust enough to hold these springs. I can always chain the springs to the suspension and lower the LCAs until the stress is removed, right? I've done it on other cars but not a W124 so I'm in unknown territory here. Any suggestions are appreciated Now i'm off to check hurstys prices... ;-) Thanks ya'll -- LarryT 91 300D 2.5T ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?
first equipment quality is among the most dismal of hte chinese crap. On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:39 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: They said the bushings were dry rotted so I think it wise to replace them also. It looks like I can replace the bushings and BJs more economically than getting a new LCA. But I've never heard of a supplier of the Bushing Kit called First Equipment Quality (they may as well named it A1 Real Good Stuff) :-) But for the pair I'd save $50 over the LemForder bushing kits. Should I spring for the Lemforder or might the First Equipment Quality be as good as they'd like me to think they are? Thanks - now to price the BJs. Looks like the Lemfotder is available for $22.36 each. Not bad! Actually I have a couple of BJs on the shelf for my '78 240D but i don't believe they will work in the 91 300D. Thanks for the help - Thanks ya'll - Larry 91 300D On 7/22/2014 3:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Unless the bushings are bad on the lca you just want to replace the ball joint. No need for spring compressor but either need the proper press or the HF one with some pipe adapters Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2014, at 2:23 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hey Ya'll, Just returned from the shop after being told I have one BJ that won't pass inspection and the other close behind. The shop wasn't clear on which was the more economical direction to go -- RR BJ's or RR LCA's. I'd like the list's comments please? Sorry if I missed this thread before... Also, Is this something I should attempt? I have the tools (exc a spring compressor) and the talent but I'm not sure I want to undertake another major job after the Evaporator. I know that's a personal choice but I'm not sure how big a job this is? I have air tools like impact wrenches and others, - any specialty tools needed? i have a spring compressor but I'm a little concerned about it being robust enough to hold these springs. I can always chain the springs to the suspension and lower the LCAs until the stress is removed, right? I've done it on other cars but not a W124 so I'm in unknown territory here. Any suggestions are appreciated Now i'm off to check hurstys prices... ;-) Thanks ya'll -- LarryT 91 300D 2.5T ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?
I figured with a name like 1st equip Quality they must be hiding something! Thanks1 Larry On 7/22/2014 5:46 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: first equipment quality is among the most dismal of hte chinese crap. On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:39 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: They said the bushings were dry rotted so I think it wise to replace them also. It looks like I can replace the bushings and BJs more economically than getting a new LCA. But I've never heard of a supplier of the Bushing Kit called First Equipment Quality (they may as well named it A1 Real Good Stuff) :-) But for the pair I'd save $50 over the LemForder bushing kits. Should I spring for the Lemforder or might the First Equipment Quality be as good as they'd like me to think they are? Thanks - now to price the BJs. Looks like the Lemfotder is available for $22.36 each. Not bad! Actually I have a couple of BJs on the shelf for my '78 240D but i don't believe they will work in the 91 300D. Thanks for the help - Thanks ya'll - Larry 91 300D On 7/22/2014 3:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Unless the bushings are bad on the lca you just want to replace the ball joint. No need for spring compressor but either need the proper press or the HF one with some pipe adapters Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2014, at 2:23 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hey Ya'll, Just returned from the shop after being told I have one BJ that won't pass inspection and the other close behind. The shop wasn't clear on which was the more economical direction to go -- RR BJ's or RR LCA's. I'd like the list's comments please? Sorry if I missed this thread before... Also, Is this something I should attempt? I have the tools (exc a spring compressor) and the talent but I'm not sure I want to undertake another major job after the Evaporator. I know that's a personal choice but I'm not sure how big a job this is? I have air tools like impact wrenches and others, - any specialty tools needed? i have a spring compressor but I'm a little concerned about it being robust enough to hold these springs. I can always chain the springs to the suspension and lower the LCAs until the stress is removed, right? I've done it on other cars but not a W124 so I'm in unknown territory here. Any suggestions are appreciated Now i'm off to check hurstys prices... ;-) Thanks ya'll -- LarryT 91 300D 2.5T ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
Just got done looking at it. Beater. Damn CL sellers. D On Jul 22, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I always connected a CIS gauge in line with the warm up regulator. See the work instruction here: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11883/PROGRAM/Engine/107/M116_38/07.3-120.pdf In checking the car for possible purchase, I'd check movement of the air flow regulating plate on the fuel distributor. It should move smoothly when pressed down and return back to its idle position by itself. Ideally, do this with the fuel pump jumpered. You can hear the injectors scream when the plate is pushed down. (But don't do this too much or you risk flooding the engine). Since the car has sat for a while, I'd guess there are fuel distributor issues. Fuel pressure and vacuum leaks are also a good to investigate. Most likely with the age of the car and lack of care its received, theres probably more than one thing wrong. The Delorian guy in Texas is a great source for rebuilt fuel distributors, btw. Hes just a bit quirky to deal with http://www.specialtauto.com/mercedes-parts/index.html Good luck! Jaime On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is there a ball in the regulator? If memory serves me correctly, I know there is a plunger with an O-ring and some shims. I just want to be prepared in the event that decide to pop it out to have a look Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Peter can correct me if I'm wrong (working from 25 year old memory here), but IIRC you hook the gauge, which includes a shutoff valve, to two places on the distributor, one near the inlet and pressure regulator and the other on top. With the valve open, it reads control pressure, with the valve shut, it reads the regulated fuel pressure. It's rather simple to pull the shims, spring, and ball to clean the regulator. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?
I've recently done this job, and I replaced the ball joints and then later the bushings. My advice: replace entire lower control arm. FAR less work, only a spring compressor and a saw-z-all are required. Buy all new eccentric bolts. Removing and replacing the ball joints requires a press and a torch. Installing the new ball joints requires a large clamp to press them in. You may find rust inside the control arm under the bushings. If you have the time and inclination, it is a straight forward job, but lots of labor. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?
I would also suggest you do both sides at once, if one is bad the other is not far behind, and it is far easier to do when you are set up to do it. Also, worth taking the BJs and associated bits to a Benz shop to have them press the new BJ in with the proper tool, will take just a few minutes and not cost much, and will save you LOTS of agita. Then you will need an alignment. --R On 7/22/14 6:29 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I've recently done this job, and I replaced the ball joints and then later the bushings. My advice: replace entire lower control arm. FAR less work, only a spring compressor and a saw-z-all are required. Buy all new eccentric bolts. Removing and replacing the ball joints requires a press and a torch. Installing the new ball joints requires a large clamp to press them in. You may find rust inside the control arm under the bushings. If you have the time and inclination, it is a straight forward job, but lots of labor. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?
This should say: Installing the new bushings requires a large clamp to press them in. vice new ball joints. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] FEQ Hork!
What Gary said!Fatal Enema Quality.Lemforder won't break with scary skiddy about the paved highway thingy.LF for the bushings too.Q. what is the value of your loved ones lives? The $20 you might save? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:46:52 -0400 To: l02tur...@comcast.net; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's? From: mercedes@okiebenz.com first equipment quality is among the most dismal of hte chinese crap. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FEQ Hork!
even with them now making stuff in china, lem is the one brand to shoot for. sometimes there are better choices but lem is never bad . you really have to be on top of stuff with parts. for a LONG time, TRW was the absolute gold standard for control arms. lovely stuff made in house. then it became contract pieces with trw stamped in ink on them. no different with any other item in our corporate centered world On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What Gary said!Fatal Enema Quality.Lemforder won't break with scary skiddy about the paved highway thingy.LF for the bushings too.Q. what is the value of your loved ones lives? The $20 you might save? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:46:52 -0400 To: l02tur...@comcast.net; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's? From: mercedes@okiebenz.com first equipment quality is among the most dismal of hte chinese crap. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: The 10 most corrupt states in the U.S.
Andrew wrote: I flew out of Midway last time, the airport that's stuck in the 70s without an ounce of charm. Convenient to downtown but crowded and very tacky. au contraire, mon ami. Midway is a vibrant new airport. Search and see pictures. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FEQ Hork!
Lemforder it shall be! ;-) Larry On 7/22/2014 6:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: What Gary said!Fatal Enema Quality.Lemforder won't break with scary skiddy about the paved highway thingy.LF for the bushings too.Q. what is the value of your loved ones lives? The $20 you might save? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:46:52 -0400 To: l02tur...@comcast.net; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's? From: mercedes@okiebenz.com first equipment quality is among the most dismal of hte chinese crap. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?
Thanks Max! Damn, I have to rethink my whole approach. new LCAs are $192 ea. but the BJs and Bushings are much less. I was going to buy the BJ and Bushings but it sounds like I may have trouble doing that Hmmm... BTW, there's a BMW shop nearby - I wonder if they can press the BJs out in? More Hmmm. Larry On 7/22/2014 6:29 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I've recently done this job, and I replaced the ball joints and then later the bushings. My advice: replace entire lower control arm. FAR less work, only a spring compressor and a saw-z-all are required. Buy all new eccentric bolts. Removing and replacing the ball joints requires a press and a torch. Installing the new ball joints requires a large clamp to press them in. You may find rust inside the control arm under the bushings. If you have the time and inclination, it is a straight forward job, but lots of labor. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 124 again
#1 grandson home from grad school in Paris and a summer job in Albania drove me on a very enjoyable 150 mile cruise to Durham and back today. He has a hard time believing that the car is nearly 28 years old. He said that taxi drivers in Albania would love to have it and drive it for another 500,000 miles. He says that most taxis there are 123's - the only car that can handle the terrible roads. At lunch afterward, SWMBO told him that his brother, 10, had asked her, Grandma, do people know that this car is so old? She told 'im, No, but if they do, that's OK. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
Just got home. Long story short, this car was not as described. The paint was thrashed, for one. There is no doubt in my mind that the fuel system was clogged up. The engine would idle but not carry load. You could press your foot to the floor and it might go to 3000 rpm, but shortly after would die off with your foot still on the floor. Interior wasn't bad. Trunk had a leak somewhere - I could smell the mold. Gotta love CL sellers. I took the guy to task over the description and all he could say was, What do you expect for a $1200 car? I told him I expected people to be truthful in their description. That was pretty much it. Other than a couple of hours of my time and maybe $20 worth of fuel I'm out nothing. You never know until you look, I guess... Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just got done looking at it. Beater. Damn CL sellers. D On Jul 22, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I always connected a CIS gauge in line with the warm up regulator. See the work instruction here: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11883/PROGRAM/Engine/107/M116_38/07.3-120.pdf In checking the car for possible purchase, I'd check movement of the air flow regulating plate on the fuel distributor. It should move smoothly when pressed down and return back to its idle position by itself. Ideally, do this with the fuel pump jumpered. You can hear the injectors scream when the plate is pushed down. (But don't do this too much or you risk flooding the engine). Since the car has sat for a while, I'd guess there are fuel distributor issues. Fuel pressure and vacuum leaks are also a good to investigate. Most likely with the age of the car and lack of care its received, theres probably more than one thing wrong. The Delorian guy in Texas is a great source for rebuilt fuel distributors, btw. Hes just a bit quirky to deal with http://www.specialtauto.com/mercedes-parts/index.html Good luck! Jaime On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is there a ball in the regulator? If memory serves me correctly, I know there is a plunger with an O-ring and some shims. I just want to be prepared in the event that decide to pop it out to have a look Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Peter can correct me if I'm wrong (working from 25 year old memory here), but IIRC you hook the gauge, which includes a shutoff valve, to two places on the distributor, one near the inlet and pressure regulator and the other on top. With the valve open, it reads control pressure, with the valve shut, it reads the regulated fuel pressure. It's rather simple to pull the shims, spring, and ball to clean the regulator. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: The 10 most corrupt states in the U.S.
True, but it's got to be darned near at minimums, even for the 737s that fly in there. I'm always digging in my heels to do a Fred Flintstone whenever I've landed there. Especially when it's raining. Visions of ending up in the gas station across the street from the end of the runway... Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew wrote: I flew out of Midway last time, the airport that's stuck in the 70s without an ounce of charm. Convenient to downtown but crowded and very tacky. au contraire, mon ami. Midway is a vibrant new airport. Search and see pictures. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: The 10 most corrupt states in the U.S.
On a more positive note, some of you might enjoy having a look at this: http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/5-happiest-cities-in-u-s-all-in-1-state/ Apparently the study was done by some group from an Ivy League grad school, so it might even be based on valid results. Personally I take note that states are not corrupt, just individuals in those states. It has always been my observation that criminals prefer to take the path of least resistance in their persuit of crime. Failure of the citizens to resist and punish criminal acts foster an environment which offer least resistance.. On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: True, but it's got to be darned near at minimums, even for the 737s that fly in there. I'm always digging in my heels to do a Fred Flintstone whenever I've landed there. Especially when it's raining. Visions of ending up in the gas station across the street from the end of the runway... Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew wrote: I flew out of Midway last time, the airport that's stuck in the 70s without an ounce of charm. Convenient to downtown but crowded and very tacky. au contraire, mon ami. Midway is a vibrant new airport. Search and see pictures. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?
Thanks again for the help! BTW, please know I am planning this repair based on what ya'll tell me - I appreciate everything people are telling me! Regardless how minor it might appear to you, to me, it may be a major input!. I did the evaporator because it was relatively simple. I was able to sit in the front seats during 80% of the RR so my legs and feet weren't distressed. The LCA/BJ would require me to spend a fair amount of time sitting on the concrete garage floor. Don't think I want to do that especially with my pain elevated over the last couple of weeks. Also please understand I have not taken a position on how I will proceed yet - what everyone tells me will dictate how I move forward. I went into the garage and double checked the LCAs - they look pristine with no visible rust, but i would expect to find things I don't expect or want to find once I start on this project - which at this point I am leaning toward buying the parts and taking them to the suspension shop I just left. They are super and will use the parts I bring without any problem. I also need to decide what other work I want to do at the same time. The big rubber bushings at the top of the struts are beginning to come apart so I will have them done at the same time. Also, the Max mentioned Eccentric Bolts -- when I selected what appears to be Eccentric Bolt Kit on EPC it said, Not valid for this vehicle. I know Max has some gas W124s he is working on - do the diesels use eccentric bolts where the lcA attaches to the chassis? Along with the LCAs ($192 ea) and the new Upper Rubber Strut Bushings what else do I need? I have a pair of strut dust covers. Should I plan to replace the spring bushing/shim? They evidently come in different thicknesses. I also need to talk to the shop again, They said labor to do the LCAs was 2 hours and the labor for the BJs was 1.5hr. Seems like the LCAs should require less labor, right? I need to study the WSM to see what is involved with this repair. Thanks for any comments/suggestions.. Larry On 7/22/2014 6:36 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I would also suggest you do both sides at once, if one is bad the other is not far behind, and it is far easier to do when you are set up to do it. Also, worth taking the BJs and associated bits to a Benz shop to have them press the new BJ in with the proper tool, will take just a few minutes and not cost much, and will save you LOTS of agita. Then you will need an alignment. --R On 7/22/14 6:29 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I've recently done this job, and I replaced the ball joints and then later the bushings. My advice: replace entire lower control arm. FAR less work, only a spring compressor and a saw-z-all are required. Buy all new eccentric bolts. Removing and replacing the ball joints requires a press and a torch. Installing the new ball joints requires a large clamp to press them in. You may find rust inside the control arm under the bushings. If you have the time and inclination, it is a straight forward job, but lots of labor. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 front speakers
Becker Autosound has metric speakers that fit perfectly! Jaime On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The front speakers are shot on the 1983 300TD. How wasy is it to R/R the front speakers? Anybody have any good used ones sitting on a shelf? Is it possible to purchase a pair of new or NOS speakers that fit exactly without rewiring? Andrew Who listens exclusively to classical music when he drives his German machine. (Bach is das best accompaniment to the turbodiesel engine noise) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs IBJ's?
Larry, Trust me, all 124 cars use the eccentric bolts. Yours may or may not be rusted in place, life will simply be much easier with new parts. Both my cars spent some time in the rust belt, if your car has not, this may not be a problem. Removing the old bushing from the LCA is a pain, I had to cut off as much as possible with the saw-z-all, then press out the remains. There are two bushings per LCA, so I'm not surprised the shop charges more. How does the math work out, comparing cost for the shop to replace the ball joints and bushings versus purchasing a new LCA assembly? Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
'Reminds me of the 124 that I drove to York, SC, to see 10 years ago before I bought the showroom one I have. Seller lied in ad and on phone about condition, and I drove 260 miles one way (overnighted at daughter's home in Charlotte). 'Found interior grossly stained and stenched with tobacco smoke and IP leaking like a sieve, plus bunch of other stuff. 'Told me, New tires all around. Tires were well-worn and no 2 alike. etc., etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!! Just got home. Long story short, this car was not as described. The paint was thrashed, for one. There is no doubt in my mind that the fuel system was clogged up. The engine would idle but not carry load. You could press your foot to the floor and it might go to 3000 rpm, but shortly after would die off with your foot still on the floor. Interior wasn't bad. Trunk had a leak somewhere - I could smell the mold. Gotta love CL sellers. I took the guy to task over the description and all he could say was, What do you expect for a $1200 car? I told him I expected people to be truthful in their description. That was pretty much it. Other than a couple of hours of my time and maybe $20 worth of fuel I'm out nothing. You never know until you look, I guess... Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just got done looking at it. Beater. Damn CL sellers. D On Jul 22, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I always connected a CIS gauge in line with the warm up regulator. See the work instruction here: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11883/PROGRAM/Engine/107/M116_38/07.3-120.pdf In checking the car for possible purchase, I'd check movement of the air flow regulating plate on the fuel distributor. It should move smoothly when pressed down and return back to its idle position by itself. Ideally, do this with the fuel pump jumpered. You can hear the injectors scream when the plate is pushed down. (But don't do this too much or you risk flooding the engine). Since the car has sat for a while, I'd guess there are fuel distributor issues. Fuel pressure and vacuum leaks are also a good to investigate. Most likely with the age of the car and lack of care its received, theres probably more than one thing wrong. The Delorian guy in Texas is a great source for rebuilt fuel distributors, btw. Hes just a bit quirky to deal with http://www.specialtauto.com/mercedes-parts/index.html Good luck! Jaime On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is there a ball in the regulator? If memory serves me correctly, I know there is a plunger with an O-ring and some shims. I just want to be prepared in the event that decide to pop it out to have a look Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Peter can correct me if I'm wrong (working from 25 year old memory here), but IIRC you hook the gauge, which includes a shutoff valve, to two places on the distributor, one near the inlet and pressure regulator and the other on top. With the valve open, it reads control pressure, with the valve shut, it reads the regulated fuel pressure. It's rather simple to pull the shims, spring, and ball to clean the regulator. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Electric fan on my '08 CLK 350 Cab
Alright...hottest day of the year scheduled for tomorrow (116 degrees F) and my electric fan will not come on when the AC is switched on. Background Got the car serviced last Friday (B service). Ran fine all weekend. Drove to the old nuke plant today. Driving home it was 117 ambient temp and I had the AC going and car was at normal temperature. Got home, changed clothes, went to CrossFit. AC worked, fan worked, car ran normal temp. Came out from working out and started the car and the coolant alarm came in on the cluster, but it is white not red. When I switched on the AC, the electric fan did not start. By this time it had cooled off to 106 outdoors so we put the top down and drove home. on the drive home, temp fluctuated between 80 and 100 C (normally it's rock steady). Got home and started checking stuff. FUSE for the electric fan was GOOD, Checked coolant level and it was all the way up in the neck of the reservoir. Sucked out six Mity-Vac plastic vessel goddammits to get it to the correct level. restarted car, alarm still in, and fan will still not start when AC is kicked on. If this was a W123, I'd jumper the relay so the fan runs always until I reach the weekend and time for repair. I have no clue if I can do that on this. What do you reckon the issue is? Did I mention tomorrow it's supposed to be 116 in town, probably 118 out at the plant? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Electric fan on my '08 CLK 350 Cab
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:35:39 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: FUSE for the electric fan was GOOD, Did you physically remove the fuse and test it with an ohmmeter? Sometimes fuses can be bad but look good until you remove them. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Electric fan on my '08 CLK 350 Cab
i'm too tired to read all your words, but i tell you s omething interesting there are a million things i want to get done and most of them will never get done. there is always going to be some story of some future plan and a procrastination over it and now it's too late or whatever. my AC went out sunday night. i sprung into action and had it resolved within 12 hours. some things are just flat important like that On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Alright...hottest day of the year scheduled for tomorrow (116 degrees F) and my electric fan will not come on when the AC is switched on. Background Got the car serviced last Friday (B service). Ran fine all weekend. Drove to the old nuke plant today. Driving home it was 117 ambient temp and I had the AC going and car was at normal temperature. Got home, changed clothes, went to CrossFit. AC worked, fan worked, car ran normal temp. Came out from working out and started the car and the coolant alarm came in on the cluster, but it is white not red. When I switched on the AC, the electric fan did not start. By this time it had cooled off to 106 outdoors so we put the top down and drove home. on the drive home, temp fluctuated between 80 and 100 C (normally it's rock steady). Got home and started checking stuff. FUSE for the electric fan was GOOD, Checked coolant level and it was all the way up in the neck of the reservoir. Sucked out six Mity-Vac plastic vessel goddammits to get it to the correct level. restarted car, alarm still in, and fan will still not start when AC is kicked on. If this was a W123, I'd jumper the relay so the fan runs always until I reach the weekend and time for repair. I have no clue if I can do that on this. What do you reckon the issue is? Did I mention tomorrow it's supposed to be 116 in town, probably 118 out at the plant? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
