Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
I consider New England to be part of the the Northeast, especially when I'm talking about the whole region in general. I think those states just been around a lot longer than anyone else so they've had more time to make their bureaucracy ridiculous and hence the 'whacko's by the other poster. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:18:04 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia So are all of the northeastern states cut from the same cloth? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
You'd probably need to consider the panhandle West and the peninsula East. But the Appalachian mountains end in North Georgia and Northern Alabama. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: t'other side. Florida is South of the mountains. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: California likes cars but hates polluters. So there are no safety inspections and no strict tag requirements. Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that Florida is basically the Northeast without snow). Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
Another way to think about it - if they make it hard to carry a gun, they're probably going make it hard to drive :-) On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: You'd probably need to consider the panhandle West and the peninsula East. But the Appalachian mountains end in North Georgia and Northern Alabama. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: t'other side. Florida is South of the mountains. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: California likes cars but hates polluters. So there are no safety inspections and no strict tag requirements. Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that Florida is basically the Northeast without snow). Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS
So what are they trying to do here? Encourage MA residents to buy vehicles within MA? On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes: MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to impound cars over it. OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research (so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable): Massachusetts does not recognize out of state temporary plates issued to a Massachusetts resident as legal. Massachusetts does not issue temporary plates for its own residents but it does recognize legally issued temporary plates on out of state vehicles. So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's temporary plate on a car I bought. However if I as an Indiana resident I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can drive it in/through MA legally. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS rip off
lobbyists who influence the politicians too. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Also the system of rego based on value is stupid, insofar that the state wants people to drive relatively modern cars but imposes an extra tax on anyone who buys a newer car. Our system does have this in a sense where the tax payable when you register a car is based on value but annual renewal fees are based on the type of vehicle, so the annual cost of a new Merc is the same as one that is 20 years old. Hendrik who hates paying for rego WELL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT POLITICIANS, GUMMIT AND GUMMIT EMPLOYEES. Why does the word stupid seem to fit in well with this group? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title tag it in your home state of Indiana. Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car. If you have a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem. When I have purchased cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on it and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the previous owners tags, or (c) titled tagged it when I was at home and flew out to the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the chance of losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from another car. I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and in the state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of a vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square one, with a much lighter wallet. Rick Sent from my iPhone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
You can insure the vehicle independent of registering it. Insurance usually happens first and only requires the VIN. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title tag it in your home state of Indiana. Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car. If you have a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem. When I have purchased cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on it and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the previous owners tags, or (c) titled tagged it when I was at home and flew out to the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.comwrote: Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the chance of losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from another car. I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and in the state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of a vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square one, with a much lighter wallet. Rick Sent from my iPhone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
Dan, I am not sure of the details of auto insurance and state laws. The last time I purchased a vehicle in PA the seller told me you are automatically covered for 30 days (he had Allstate at the time) even if you don't notify them. If I have put my tags on the car (the seller removed theirs) I would just call my insurance company and tell them I now have this car. If I was ever stopped (before receiving the new insurance card) I would just tell them I just bought it and haven't received the new card yet, but it is on the policy. Usually if the seller is leaving their tags on the car, they can't cancel the insurance, so it is covered that way. I believe it is illegal to have the same item covered under more than one policy at the same time. As for temporary tags, I have never bothered with temporary tags unless buying from a dealer who required them. In Rich's case I would have just taken an existing tag I had and put that on the car. If I was stopped, I would just explain I just bought it, here is the stack of paperwork, and when I get back home I'll get it all finalized with the title tag office - operating under the presumption better to have a tag that's in your name than no tag at all. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: There is no reason why you would not have valid insurance unless you were purposely avoiding it. The two scenarios I have personally used are: 1.) Purchasing a vehicle I am replacing an existing one with I have 30 days to notify the carrier, but I am covered automatically - State Farm/Allstate. 2.) Purchasing a new vehicle (adding to the policy) I only have to notify the insurer upon purchase - Allstate (don't know about State Farm on this.) When I bought Tony's 300E, before I left with the car I called Allstate's 800 number, gave them the details, and I was covered. I did have a copy of my insurance card with me as well. Dan On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: You can insure the vehicle independent of registering it. Insurance usually happens first and only requires the VIN. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title tag it in your home state of Indiana. Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car. If you have a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem. When I have purchased cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on it and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the previous owners tags, or (c) titled tagged it when I was at home and flew out to the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the chance of losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from another car. I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and in the state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of a vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square one, with a much lighter wallet. Rick Sent from my iPhone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
Yeah, I was just commenting on what Dan mentioned. I generally put
insurance on the car as soon as I can by contacting my carrier.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I'd believe what my ins. agent (USAA) tells me, but I sure as etc.
wouldn't believe (depend on for my security) what a seller tells me ('may
be true, but one needs to take care of certain things for himself;
insurance is one of 'em). I'd call USAA, give 'em the new VIN; agent tells
me it's covered; might even send me a doc. via FAX to that effect.
Wilton
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
Dan,
I am not sure of the details of auto insurance and state laws. The last
time I purchased a vehicle in PA the seller told me you are automatically
covered for 30 days (he had Allstate at the time) even if you don't notify
them.
If I have put my tags on the car (the seller removed theirs) I would just
call my insurance company and tell them I now have this car. If I was
ever
stopped (before receiving the new insurance card) I would just tell them I
just bought it and haven't received the new card yet, but it is on the
policy. Usually if the seller is leaving their tags on the car, they
can't
cancel the insurance, so it is covered that way. I believe it is illegal
to have the same item covered under more than one policy at the same time.
As for temporary tags,
I have never bothered with temporary tags unless buying from a dealer who
required them.
In Rich's case I would have just taken an existing tag I had and put that
on the car. If I was stopped, I would just explain I just bought it, here
is the stack of paperwork, and when I get back home I'll get it all
finalized with the title tag office - operating under the presumption
better to have a tag that's in your name than no tag at all.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
There is no reason why you would not have valid insurance unless you were
purposely avoiding it. The two scenarios I have personally used are:
1.) Purchasing a vehicle I am replacing an existing one with I have 30
days to notify the carrier, but I am covered automatically - State
Farm/Allstate.
2.) Purchasing a new vehicle (adding to the policy) I only have to notify
the insurer upon purchase - Allstate (don't know about State Farm on
this.)
When I bought Tony's 300E, before I left with the car I called Allstate's
800 number, gave them the details, and I was covered. I did have a copy
of
my insurance card with me as well.
Dan
On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
You can insure the vehicle independent of registering it. Insurance
usually happens first and only requires the VIN.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano
brian.tosc...@gmail.com
wrote:
You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title tag it in your home
state
of Indiana. Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car. If you
have
a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem. When I have
purchased
cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on
it
and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the
previous
owners tags, or (c) titled tagged it when I was at home and flew out
to
the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back.
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a
long
story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we
do NOT
live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely
restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to
purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because
of red
tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can
use a
trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one
(very
expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the
chance of
losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from
another
car.
I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV
will
not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and
in the
state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of
a
vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to
square
one, with a much lighter wallet.
Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
I never thought about using one from a similar vehicle - I just used a valid tag that had the same name as my driver's license. So what are you going to do now? Fly back to Maryland with an Indiana tag? Every state has it quirks in registration and titling. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 7, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title tag it in your home state of Indiana. Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car. If you have a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem. I have a ticket and tow receipt proving that to be a problem. (a) slapped one of my current tags on it and driven it with the title in my possession, I should've done that. Some police have plate scanners that can scan quite a few plates a minute. I would've put a plate on from another Benz 300d, just a different year and color. Your average doughnut eater would probably not catch that. (c) titled tagged it when I was at home and flew out to the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back. Need a VIN check in Indiana. Got to have the car first. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
So these scanners are more than license plate scanners, they are whole car scanners that can tell if you have a tag on the wrong car? I think the key to avoid major problems in NJ is to have a stack of PBA cards :-) On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: NJ is very strict... I've been involved in a few situations that didn't go well a few years ago... luckily it was never me directly. In one case, the car was impounded because we couldn't provide proof of insurance (but we did have insurance, just no proof). Other times resulted in lots of tickets, but no impound. In NJ, the key is insurance. If you don't have it, you're in trouble. Most state police cars now drive around with the license plate scanning technology. So you use an expired plate or one from another car, they catch you just by driving by. I suppose if you use a valid plate from a very similar car, you can get away with it. But I don't take any chances now. In state, I always arrange to buy cars during the week so I can goto the local DMV and register it with insurance before driving. Or I just take the title and come back for the car a few days later after I register it. Out of state is still difficult. NJ is another state that will offer non-residents 30 day temp tags (with proof of insurance), but nothing for people in state. Jaime On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I have driven many cars cross country with no tags at all an never been pulled over. If I was all you need is the title and/or bill of sale Cough*bs*cough. I believe you are lucky. I will do the research for other states in a few days, but in MD, you have to have a plate. I will scan the ticket and the tow receipt if you would like proof. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
Cops give out PBA cards to friends and family. Immediate family can get a shield for the window. They make problems go away. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Craig wrote: On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:42:37 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I think the key to avoid major problems in NJ is to have a stack of PBA cards :-) PBA cards? Remember when the Catholic Church used to sell indulgences? In Jerkski, they're called PBA cards: http://www.njspba.com/ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
California likes cars but hates polluters. So there are no safety inspections and no strict tag requirements. Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that Florida is basically the Northeast without snow). On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: NJ is very strict... I've been involved in a few situations that didn't go well a few years ago... luckily it was never me directly. In one case, the car was impounded because we couldn't provide proof of insurance (but we did have insurance, just no proof). Other times resulted in lots of tickets, but no impound. In NJ, the key is insurance. If you don't have it, you're in trouble. Most state police cars now drive around with the license plate scanning technology. So you use an expired plate or one from another car, they catch you just by driving by. I suppose if you use a valid plate from a very similar car, you can get away with it. But I don't take any chances now. In state, I always arrange to buy cars during the week so I can goto the local DMV and register it with insurance before driving. Or I just take the title and come back for the car a few days later after I register it. Out of state is still difficult. NJ is another state that will offer non-residents 30 day temp tags (with proof of insurance), but nothing for people in state. Jaime Guess I am lucky. The one time i got a car from east of the Appalachians, It didn't run so I had no choice but to pay to have it hauled . Seems beat to avoid buying cars from East of the Appalachians, as whacko state laws originate there or Kalyfornya I still liked my old system, with old cars that had the serial number plate screwed on: I swapped the plates and TYP plate, (before VIN) and never told the insco. Same car.just changed color... __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 404 found
What kind of 6 cylinder gas engines did Mercedes use in the 1960s? On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The ultimate offroad motorhome. -Curt Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:25:18 -0700 From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 404 found Message-ID: 0bbc1543-1d8a-4dfb-a7bc-941a26bb1...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/2924241274.html Not mine, no affiliation, some interest, but no way I could do it now clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo WAS:smokin SDL
Oh the trap oxidizer replacement pipe = football replacement. :-) On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:46 PM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, only the 86 West coast 603's had the football trap oxidizer. All 87's had them. John Sent from my iPad On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: This is a 603, not a 617. All US 603s had a football smog crap over the top of the exhaust manifold. This caused problems, and led to an extended warranty, where the stealer would replace the football with a pipe, and replace the trashed turbo if the football was not replaced before it trashed the turbo. Actually, Andrew's 85 Collyfawnia TD had a football on the 617. On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:56:05 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo WAS:smokin SDL
Check out the attachment for some factory procedures on turbochargers. On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: on the gasket for the supply line. glued down to the turbo only, with great excess. Fortunately all my other 603 were apparently un- messed with. un-buggered up. Will post more observations when I actually pull it out of the car. I have to take loose one bracket hung on the exhaust manifold. I quit to try to track down the buggered up buggering UPS (UFUPS) They got the turbo on the truck at 6 am this morning for delivery. they usually don't show here until about 5 PM. the moron took it back to the shop with him. Of course there is no way to phone them or to even find the address where the trucks originate from. The address on Q's invoice is absolutely right. The morons are just too lazy to deliver and too arrogant to let you talk to the local shed. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 70007.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 921698 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20120315/c446ac0e/attachment.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo WAS:smokin SDL
What is the football eliminator pipe? You don't have to separate the EGR valve from the pipe it bolts to. There are big fat o-rings that keep all those intake pipes together. You probably won't even need to replace them unless they were butchered in the past. But I strongly suggest not bolting anything up on reassembly until you get all the parts back in place first. i.e. Don't bolt parts together until you have the turbo oil drain pipe in place. Its such a PITA to undo everything just to fit something small like that. It may help to put the individual bolts and nuts into zip log backs with a post it note inside the bag so you can keep track of individual parts and what goes where in case you don't get back to reassembly for a few weeks... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that taking off the EGR valve and the football eliminator pipe would make access much easier. Are these necessary for access, or just a convenience for getting the turbo out? I am going to start on this tomorrow. Oil feed line is on top, under the EGR assembly. You will probably need to also remove the 10 mm screw that holds the line to the bracket, and possibly the fitting on the block as well. Not a big deal. The exhaust is connected via some accordioned stainless parts with strap clamps, easy to manage. I'm guessing your oil consumption will go way down with a new one. Peter On Mar 12, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Is there any way to check the drain without taking the drain or the turbo off? My guess is not. I can't imagine the drain getting plugged when M1 is in the engine. I am inclined to order a turbo cartridge and just change it. If the drain is plugged, I could clean and replace and keep the cartridge on a shelf. Where does the oil feed line come in? What other parts are needed or should be replaced when replacing the turbo? Is it necessary to take off the exhaust manifold to take out the turbo? The * forum had a post where someone said taking off the cranckase vent hose decreased pressure in the crankcase and stopped oil leaking into the turbo. Sounds fishy to me on a 603. Since it is now functional, I am inclined to leave it alone until I have all parts in hand. If I tear into it, it might be weeks or months until it gets finished because of the distance involved. Parts needed: 2 or more drain tube o-rings 2 oil drain gaskets EGR block kit. (have that at home but forgot to bring it.) Whatever it takes to insure the oil feed is reliable...(? gaskets? hose? new steel line?) Turbo cartridge kit. (should include necessary parts to change) It is wasting probably 3-4 quarts of oil a week currently. I need to either order parts in the morning or postpone the mess until another trip. No trip is on the horizon until November. 1987 300SDL is the subject. Dieselhead wrote: From no responses, I gather nobody else has had a turbo failure. Is that right? Is it correct that any oil in the compressor is conclusive evidence of seal failure? ...or a plugged drain line. If you plug the drain and feed it oil under pressure, the oil will get into the turbine/compressor housings. I'm pretty sure they don't have contact seals on the shaft, but if the bearings wore out and had radial slop the labyrinth seals would get chewed too and might let oil into the compressor section. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo WAS:smokin SDL
You should not need to order parts more than once. It is a relatively straightforward job, but it does take some time. The exhaust parts tend to come loose without too much trouble. You will need (or find it easier) to get under the car to disconnect the exhaust downpipe. It may also help to remove the exhaust support near the transmission to give you more room to work with. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The turbo flunked the test with the breather (egr) disconnected and the oil filler cap loose. [the cam throws quite a bit of oil with the cap off at idle. a whole lot at higher rpm.] Still roughly the same amount of oil coming up the throat of the turbo and being blown out in wisps I decided that $300 for a cartridge, and still having to fiddle with wastegate adjustment, and possibly running out of time vs buying a complete rebuilt from Q and not having to check or adjust anything is worth the price differential in this case. Plus the turbo from Q has a 2 yr warranty. He says he has never had one come back. that is good too. Had I found the elusive $79 cartridge (gotta be chinee) I might have tried one. but at $300, a known with time savings is good in this case. Once again, Mr. Q saves an agent of Herr Daimler's secret service group. Parts should be in thurs pm. I have Thursday night and fri am to git er done. 87 300SDL Oil feed line is on top, under the EGR assembly. You will probably need to also remove the 10 mm screw that holds the line to the bracket, and possibly the fitting on the block as well. Not a big deal. The exhaust is connected via some accordioned stainless parts with strap clamps, easy to manage. I'm guessing your oil consumption will go way down with a new one. Peter On Mar 12, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Is there any way to check the drain without taking the drain or the turbo off? My guess is not. I can't imagine the drain getting plugged when M1 is in the engine. I am inclined to order a turbo cartridge and just change it. If the drain is plugged, I could clean and replace and keep the cartridge on a shelf. Where does the oil feed line come in? What other parts are needed or should be replaced when replacing the turbo? Is it necessary to take off the exhaust manifold to take out the turbo? The * forum had a post where someone said taking off the cranckase vent hose decreased pressure in the crankcase and stopped oil leaking into the turbo. Sounds fishy to me on a 603. Since it is now functional, I am inclined to leave it alone until I have all parts in hand. If I tear into it, it might be weeks or months until it gets finished because of the distance involved. Parts needed: 2 or more drain tube o-rings 2 oil drain gaskets EGR block kit. (have that at home but forgot to bring it.) Whatever it takes to insure the oil feed is reliable...(? gaskets? hose? new steel line?) Turbo cartridge kit. (should include necessary parts to change) It is wasting probably 3-4 quarts of oil a week currently. I need to either order parts in the morning or postpone the mess until another trip. No trip is on the horizon until November. 1987 300SDL is the subject. Dieselhead wrote: From no responses, I gather nobody else has had a turbo failure. Is that right? Is it correct that any oil in the compressor is conclusive evidence of seal failure? ...or a plugged drain line. If you plug the drain and feed it oil under pressure, the oil will get into the turbine/compressor housings. I'm pretty sure they don't have contact seals on the shaft, but if the bearings wore out and had radial slop the labyrinth seals would get chewed too and might let oil into the compressor section. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo WAS:smokin SDL
Right, like if the bushings around the transmission are bad or you decide you want new studs, washers, or nuts for the exhaust, or one or both of the flex pipes or clamps appears to be in poor condition. I recall the job vividly because I had a KKK rebuilt and it wouldn't spool up. So I had to R/R the turbo a few times There really is nothing to the job, except patience and time. Because of all the parts and the tight fit, I recommend tightening all nuts and bolts AFTER the parts are put into place (I'm talking exhaust, oil lines, manifold, and T/O replacement pipe) Otherwise when you have to pull it off again... its a headache. The most expensive single part at the time was the metal flange gasket between the turbo and the exhaust manifold. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: THanks for the info. It is not the parts for the job, that require the second wait. It is stuff that is not in the kit or things that you find when you are in there that cause the second order. You should not need to order parts more than once. It is a relatively straightforward job, but it does take some time. The exhaust parts tend to come loose without too much trouble. You will need (or find it easier) to get under the car to disconnect the exhaust downpipe. It may also help to remove the exhaust support near the transmission to give you more room to work with. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The turbo flunked the test with the breather (egr) disconnected and the oil filler cap loose. [the cam throws quite a bit of oil with the cap off at idle. a whole lot at higher rpm.] Still roughly the same amount of oil coming up the throat of the turbo and being blown out in wisps I decided that $300 for a cartridge, and still having to fiddle with wastegate adjustment, and possibly running out of time vs buying a complete rebuilt from Q and not having to check or adjust anything is worth the price differential in this case. Plus the turbo from Q has a 2 yr warranty. He says he has never had one come back. that is good too. Had I found the elusive $79 cartridge (gotta be chinee) I might have tried one. but at $300, a known with time savings is good in this case. Once again, Mr. Q saves an agent of Herr Daimler's secret service group. Parts should be in thurs pm. I have Thursday night and fri am to git er done. 87 300SDL Oil feed line is on top, under the EGR assembly. You will probably need to also remove the 10 mm screw that holds the line to the bracket, and possibly the fitting on the block as well. Not a big deal. The exhaust is connected via some accordioned stainless parts with strap clamps, easy to manage. I'm guessing your oil consumption will go way down with a new one. Peter On Mar 12, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Is there any way to check the drain without taking the drain or the turbo off? My guess is not. I can't imagine the drain getting plugged when M1 is in the engine. I am inclined to order a turbo cartridge and just change it. If the drain is plugged, I could clean and replace and keep the cartridge on a shelf. Where does the oil feed line come in? What other parts are needed or should be replaced when replacing the turbo? Is it necessary to take off the exhaust manifold to take out the turbo? The * forum had a post where someone said taking off the cranckase vent hose decreased pressure in the crankcase and stopped oil leaking into the turbo. Sounds fishy to me on a 603. Since it is now functional, I am inclined to leave it alone until I have all parts in hand. If I tear into it, it might be weeks or months until it gets finished because of the distance involved. Parts needed: 2 or more drain tube o-rings 2 oil drain gaskets EGR block kit. (have that at home but forgot to bring it.) Whatever it takes to insure the oil feed is reliable...(? gaskets? hose? new steel line?) Turbo cartridge kit. (should include necessary parts to change) It is wasting probably 3-4 quarts of oil a week currently. I need to either order parts in the morning or postpone the mess until another trip. No trip is on the horizon until November. 1987 300SDL is the subject. Dieselhead wrote: From no responses, I gather nobody else has had a turbo failure. Is that right? Is it correct that any oil in the compressor is conclusive evidence of seal failure? ...or a plugged drain line. If you plug the drain and feed it oil under pressure, the oil will get into the turbine/compressor housings. I'm pretty sure they don't have contact seals on the shaft, but if the bearings wore out and had radial slop the labyrinth seals would get chewed too and might let oil into the compressor section. ___
Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo WAS:smokin SDL
The turbos can be either Garrett or KKK. They were used interchangeably from the factory. You do not need to take off the exhaust manifold. You will need the metal gasket that goes between the turbo the manifold. You may need to purchase studs or new copper nuts if you have problems. The O-rings are pretty hardy but you may want to replace them. For reassembly, I found it is helpful to assemble the parts before fastening any nuts because there isn't a lot of play. On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to check the drain without taking the drain or the turbo off? My guess is not. I can't imagine the drain getting plugged when M1 is in the engine. I am inclined to order a turbo cartridge and just change it. If the drain is plugged, I could clean and replace and keep the cartridge on a shelf. Where does the oil feed line come in? What other parts are needed or should be replaced when replacing the turbo? Is it necessary to take off the exhaust manifold to take out the turbo? The * forum had a post where someone said taking off the cranckase vent hose decreased pressure in the crankcase and stopped oil leaking into the turbo. Sounds fishy to me on a 603. Since it is now functional, I am inclined to leave it alone until I have all parts in hand. If I tear into it, it might be weeks or months until it gets finished because of the distance involved. Parts needed: 2 or more drain tube o-rings 2 oil drain gaskets EGR block kit. (have that at home but forgot to bring it.) Whatever it takes to insure the oil feed is reliable...(? gaskets? hose? new steel line?) Turbo cartridge kit. (should include necessary parts to change) It is wasting probably 3-4 quarts of oil a week currently. I need to either order parts in the morning or postpone the mess until another trip. No trip is on the horizon until November. 1987 300SDL is the subject. Dieselhead wrote: From no responses, I gather nobody else has had a turbo failure. Is that right? Is it correct that any oil in the compressor is conclusive evidence of seal failure? ...or a plugged drain line. If you plug the drain and feed it oil under pressure, the oil will get into the turbine/compressor housings. I'm pretty sure they don't have contact seals on the shaft, but if the bearings wore out and had radial slop the labyrinth seals would get chewed too and might let oil into the compressor section. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo WAS:smokin SDL
It is unlikely that hot shutoffs killed your turbo. Some parts just break and no amount of oil changes or babying could have prevented it. On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I did not pull off the intake yet. That was on my list for the morning. Along with wrapping the joint at the crossover/intake manifold with a white rag and after a highway drive, checking to see if oil is leaking out there. After 300k to 400k, the shaft on my old SDL had imperceptible side play, but did have noticeable end play. It and the engine were fine. I have run M1, but I doubt any PO did. I asked Daughter about hot shutoffs, and I am not sure if she has been guilty of that. All diesel engines have some blowby -- easy enough to check on a 603, just pull the hard plastic hose out of the intake boot in front of the turbo. I believe mine is bad, due to the amount of oil consumption (too high for the front seal leak to account for) and blue smoke on startup (new head about 60,000 miles ago, although quality of that job is unknown). To check, take the intake boot off with the engine stopped and rotate the turbo by hand. It must turn very smoothly and have zero axial play. There will be barely detectable side play as it has floating bearings. It must turn very easily, although it will not spin freely without oil pressure, and must not bind anywhere in rotation. Rough, tight, or gritty sensations while rotating it indicate wiped bearings. Last turbo cartridge I got was $400 for the job, rush basis with overnight shipping since I was in a hurry. Car ran MUCH better (it was my old Volvo TD). If you have used Mobil 1 for the entire time of operation, the turbo may indeed never wear out, but dino oil and interstate rest stops kill them fast -- you pull off the highway and shut it off with the turbine red hot, and the oil cokes in the bearings. Not too much later, the bearings have been eroded by the carbon buildup, and it starts to run slow and leak oil out both ends. A big leak out the back will make huge clouds of blue smoke, out the front you get excessive oil consumption. If you have oil traveling out the crossover while idling, you definitely have a leaking seal, and usually that means the bearings are gone. Peter On Mar 12, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Dieselhead wrote: From no responses, I gather nobody else has had a turbo failure. Is that right? Is it correct that any oil in the compressor is conclusive evidence of seal failure? Does anyone have experience with buying a turbo cartridge? Does anyone know what turbo is on an 87 SDL? Garret or KKK? It looks like some things are accessible from above, and some from below. What is the best method for getting the turbo out? ***prior post*** I think I am on to something. With the crossover off, the insides are abnormally clean. Like a complete M1 wash. No gunk, no black, except where oil has pooled a little. Started up the engine. when I revved up the engine enough so that the turbo started, and held it there, there was oil climbing up the throat of the turbo and running counterclockwise to the high side of the throat. if I ran the RPM up to 3k or so, then the air blew away the oil. It is not enough to get a bath. I am suspecting that what I am seeing is enough to wash the crossover/intake clean, smoke, especially on startup, and washdown the port side of the engine through the crossover pipe not being sealed well. My guess is that any visible oil is too much oil. Is this correct? The turbo seal failures I have heard of have been catastrophic. This is not. But I suppose it could go catastrophic at any time. Any body got a cheap source for a turbo cartridge? Les Blumner had a source that was something like $80. I have seen $250. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
[MBZ] XZN drivers
Are XZN drivers used on many cars today? I haven't used them on any vehicle except my old Mercedes. Thanks, Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mac time machine
Wouldn't it make the most sense to only copy your user directory files? I would be cautious against trying to copy OS files that way. You can probably rsync your user directory on Time Machine back to your new hard drive. Or better still, copy your user directory to a backup location, then use Time Machine to restore your computer, and restore your user directory using rsync from the the backup location. That way you get exactly what you had, plus any files you created. On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Gotcha. You will have to pay for it, but it's money well spent: Super File Synchronizer. I use it to manage my backups between my machines and my Xserve RAID volumes. Highly configurable and can be scheduled. I highly recommend it. Dan Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The main thing is that I don't want to restore old files over the top of new files and lose newer info. Hard drive died, the dealer put in a new drive, installed the OS and whatever he could recover. I was about 10 days before I could get to my backed up files. I was looking for a utility that would compare the drive with the backup and give me a sort of what was not on the drive. Not sure I totally understand what you are trying to accomplish, but why not just restore the files to the machine and copy them to your destination of choice using whatever means is necessary? Dan Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a utility or synch tool that will compare files in a time machine backup and restore the files from the time machine that are not on the current laptop hard drive? One other approach I could take is to isolate the files from the past 10 days or so, then do a full restore. After the restore, move the isolated files to replace the older files from backup. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mac time machine
You may need to download rsync (free). It is a command line program. What Dan suggested sounds like a GUI based version of rsync. You can also rename your existing Documents folder to something like Documents.tmp and then restore your entire Documents folder from Time Machine to your local system. Then just tell Finder to copy Documents.tmp to Documents. It will prompt if you want to overwrite files before doing so. If it was me, I would backup my local drive, do a total Time Machine restore, and then sync my local user directory backup to what Time Machine restored. That way all your Apps, settings, and files you forgot to manually sync are preserved. More work up front, but probably less work overall. On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I am only talking about stuff in the documents folder. Music and photos I will just move manually. nothing new there. Is rsync a built in utility? I did a search but did not find it. Wouldn't it make the most sense to only copy your user directory files? I would be cautious against trying to copy OS files that way. You can probably rsync your user directory on Time Machine back to your new hard drive. Or better still, copy your user directory to a backup location, then use Time Machine to restore your computer, and restore your user directory using rsync from the the backup location. That way you get exactly what you had, plus any files you created. On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Gotcha. You will have to pay for it, but it's money well spent: Super File Synchronizer. I use it to manage my backups between my machines and my Xserve RAID volumes. Highly configurable and can be scheduled. I highly recommend it. Dan Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The main thing is that I don't want to restore old files over the top of new files and lose newer info. Hard drive died, the dealer put in a new drive, installed the OS and whatever he could recover. I was about 10 days before I could get to my backed up files. I was looking for a utility that would compare the drive with the backup and give me a sort of what was not on the drive. Not sure I totally understand what you are trying to accomplish, but why not just restore the files to the machine and copy them to your destination of choice using whatever means is necessary? Dan Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a utility or synch tool that will compare files in a time machine backup and restore the files from the time machine that are not on the current laptop hard drive? One other approach I could take is to isolate the files from the past 10 days or so, then do a full restore. After the restore, move the isolated files to replace the older files from backup. _**__ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo WAS:smokin SDL
The Garrett and KKK turbochargers are interchangeable and both were used. On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know what turbo is on an 87 SDL? Garret or KKK? It looks like some things are accessible from above, and some from below. What is the best method for getting the turbo out? I think I am on to something. With the crossover off, the insides are abnormally clean. Like a complete M1 wash. No gunk, no black, except where oil has pooled a little. Started up the engine. when I revved up the engine enough so that the turbo started, and held it there, there was oil climbing up the throat of the turbo and running counterclockwise to the high side of the throat. if I ran the RPM up to 3k or so, then the air blew away the oil. It is not enough to get a bath. I am suspecting that what I am seeing is enough to wash the crossover/intake clean, smoke, especially on startup, and washdown the port side of the engine through the crossover pipe not being sealed well. My guess is that any visible oil is too much oil. Is this correct? The turbo seal failures I have heard of have been catastrophic. This is not. But I suppose it could go catastrophic at any time. Any body got a cheap source for a turbo cartridge? Les Blumner had a source that was something like $80. I have seen $250. Got the SDL jacked up today to look for leaks. Compressor side of Turbo is all wet with oil. It is NOT washed clean from the oil. The drain pipe is not oily. the top mount of the drain pipe is wet, and it looks like from above. The bottom mount is also wet, but no signs of a major leak. the vacuum pod that controls the wastegate is coated with dirt and oil, but nothing fresh. I could not find the pressure line that feeds the turbo. Where do you see it? Left side of engine is wet and oily all over. I knew the shutoff oring on the IP is bad, had ordered replacements from Q last week. no signs of oil leaking out from the head to block seam. No oil leaks apparent from IP to block. That oring was new last summer. Even the shutoff on top of the IP is wet with oil. Oil all over the IP, the fuel heater, left motor mount, the head, and the side of the block. Left side of the oil pan is washed clean from oil. Bottom of oil pan is coated and dripping oil. When I looked where the car has been parked, the oil is pretty much centered under the car. Like dripping off the oil pan. Front seal shows no sign of excessive leakage. What is up with this? how does oil get all over the side of the engine with no sign of valve cover leaking? here is my new theory: if the turbo is leaking AND the crossover pipe to intake manifold is leaking out the bottom, then an oil spray could be blown all over the engine when the turbo is spooled up. That could account for the head being wet with oil on the left side, but the valve cover does not leak. Would account for smokin and leaking. It would also account for oil all over the compressor side of the turbo: Oil in the crossover and the feed pipe drains down and pools in the compressor, with seepage out the air intake hose fitting to the turbo. I am off to remove the crossover and start it up and see if an oil shower results. Subject is 87 SDL OM603. I had the 126 CD on this computer before the HD died. It is gone now. Ceerap. I left the cds at home. Could be a bad turbo, which will cause all the problems other than the oil drip (unless the drain tube is bad too). I've had this happen in my old Volvo -- an amazing amount of coked oil in the exhaust. Leaking turbo seals can put quite a bit of oil into the intake -- I'm thinking mine is shot due to excess oil consumption and lousy performance at light throttle, same as the Volvo when the turbo quit on it. One thing to check for -- does it clank too? If so, bent #1 rod because you didn't replace the head gasket before #1 cylinder filled up with oil on an intake stroke from a failed head gasket there. Peter On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:02 PM, dave walton wrote: I'll second that. Leak is probably in the front of the engine. Oil is being blown back to where it collects and drips. I've found UV dye and a UV LED flashlight to help in finding the source. I've only had one leaking turbo. It was leaking into the intake. If you remove the crossover tube and stand in the right place on the drivers side while you rev the engine, you will get a nice oil bath :-) Wash, rinse, and repeat 3 times to get dirty M1 out of your hair. My wife said she could still smell it for a week. -Dave Walton On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Blown head gasket Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Daughter reports that the SDL is consuming oil rapidly, and oil is dripping on the passenger side near the rear of the
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables
One of the biggest setbacks in music was the 1980's remastering when the CD became the preferred consumer format. Many of those original digital remasters were not done very well by today's standards. Some artists have digitally remastered their albums a second time and the quality is much better. If you compare a 1980's Bob Dylan or CSN remaster to the original LP (even a cheap used LP with imperfection), I think you'd prefer the LP even on a cheap turntable. For newer recordings that were done digitally, I don't think there is any reason to play it on vinyl. I prefer digital music for the convenience. I can carry around my entire collection on a hard drive. With a backup stored safely outside of my home, I don't have to worry about theft or fire destroying my collection. Plus its much easier to listen to something else. With vinyl I'd have to dig out the record and flip it over. My 2nd turntable was a Thorens without auto-shutoff so if I became preoccupied with something else, the record would continue to spin until I remembered... On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:12 PM, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: Re: convenience That's what the world of digits is all about. Good analog vinyl still beats digits with tube amplification. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables - 45 rpm Record Values
Most record shops buy vinyl. You can have them give you a price and if you don't like it you don't have to sell it to them. With so much competition on eBay and the cost of shipping that much weight what do you think you'd get and how much more or less would it be than the record shop? On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: try http://www.gocontinental.com/**pgde.htmhttp://www.gocontinental.com/pgde.htm Along these same lines, does anyone know of the best way I might sell off a decent sized (150+) collection of 45 RPM records? Or, given a list of titles, find someone that would give me an unbiased opinion of value (I don't need an appraisal - read on.) I am in the process of cataloging them right now in anticipation of attempting to eBay the lot. My only real concern is that there may be some real gems in it price-wise, and I might end up selling the lot for less than it's worth, or discouraging people from bidding because there's a lot of stuff they don't want outside of a few desirable records. The time range is from the early to mid 70s through the early 80s. All are in jackets, maybe 25% of them in the original jackets with artwork specific to that release, and all are in VG to VG+ condition. Also, I would add that these cost me nothing. I worked on a guy's pinball machines for him one afternoon and he asked me to make a list of my favorite artists and time frame. He sent me this box full of 45s shortly after. Can't say that I have ever put one on a turntable Dan Re: convenience That's what the world of digits is all about. Good analog vinyl still beats digits with tube amplification. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables
You would get better conversion with a better turntable, but not the same level of convenience. A good turntable cartridge is either near or more than the cost of the entire USB turntable... On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: They are just Chinese turntables running through normal USB sound card ICs, as I understand it. Gain is optimized out of the box but the big benefit is convenience. Also the software automatically splits tracks; I don't know if Audacity can do that, but I wouldn't buy an Ion for the software... Best, Tim On Feb 25, 2012 10:09 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I believe Macs have had decent to high end audio. I am not concerned about the sound card at this point. It seems to me that the software and its sampling rate, compression and that sort of stuff are more of a concern than the turntable or the sound on the computer. I figured on using audacity. I was just wondering if the usb turntables were markedly better or worse than the regular turntable fed through a fair to middling receiver/amp. My turntable is 1972 vintage Pioneer PL-12D I bought an Ion for the wife a few years back and she converted a bunch of her vinyl collection. IIRC we bought some software (Spin it Again?) in preference to what Ion supplied. That worked ok The quality is ok on most of the files she got, but I'm sure one could do better with a good turntable hooked up through a decent preamp/receiver or such. I think the sound card in the 'puter is also a big factor. I bought an Audigy PCMCIA off eBay to plug into her ThinkPad for that purpose. Greg __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TSA and license plates
Probably depends on the TSA agent or airport you're using. On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Can you carry a license plate in the passenger compartment of a plane, or is it considered an improvised edged weapon? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT-Boot Camp swap to Parallels
You could use disk utility in Mac OS X to resize the partition. If it won't let you, then you could clone the existing Mac OS X partition to the free space between the existing partition windows and Mac OS X partition, blow away the existing Mac OS X partition, and resize the newer one to the rest of the disk space. (depending on how the partitioning was done). If you have an 80GB drive I imagine this is an older laptop, now sure how well virtualization would work. It is XP ? It is possible to use Vmware Fusion to migrate the Boot Camp windows to a virtual machine. In which case you could dedicate the entire drive to Mac OS X and the VM of Windows just sits as files on your Mac partition. On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: clay monroe wrote: Now I need to repartition the thing so I can use OSX, but I do not want to lose the winblows. Need winblows so I can use the EPS and the manuals on CD. Anybody have good ideas? Virtualbox. Or VMWare. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT-Boot Camp swap to Parallels
I wouldn't bother with the dmg file. Let vmware do the conversion of Boot Camp. On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:48 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Do not have windows disk. Only have Cd drive in the macbook, so would need to install from another source. Maybe torrent version of the DVD as iso or dmg. clay On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Not sure how you could clone just the BC partition and restore it, as OSX does some majik to make it work. How's about a totally clean install and then running a copy of Virtual Box for your Windoze environment? I'd back up the windows activation key and then do a clean install. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Windshield Crack Repair?
I had my windshield replaced last month. After 230,000 miles it was pretty pitted, though only one rock chip that didn't obstruct my view any. The new windshield developed a crack while it was sitting in the parking lot at work last week. The first time I was it, it was about 3 long. Its growing about 1 a day. Its on the passenger side and started at the bottom and working its way up and to farther away from my line of sight. Is this kind of crack repairable? Or should I have the entire windshield replaced (again) ? Thanks, Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windshield Crack Repair?
So the repair is likely only to make the existing crack less visible or completely invisible, but it may continue to crack? I'm tempted to just let it grow then! On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: replace it. In the summer when it gets hot it will spread more, if not sooner. Although my Suburban developed a crack in Texas about 6 or 7 yr ago, it grew a bit and has not grown any since, so YMMV. --R On 2/18/12 11:59 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: I had my windshield replaced last month. After 230,000 miles it was pretty pitted, though only one rock chip that didn't obstruct my view any. The new windshield developed a crack while it was sitting in the parking lot at work last week. The first time I was it, it was about 3 long. Its growing about 1 a day. Its on the passenger side and started at the bottom and working its way up and to farther away from my line of sight. Is this kind of crack repairable? Or should I have the entire windshield replaced (again) ? Thanks, Brian __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windshield Crack Repair?
It may work then :-) I'll see what a glass repair guy says and make a decision. On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm no windshield guy, but I have done my share over the years, and in doing so, had conversations with said repair guys about the wisdom of fixing versus replacement. It is my understanding that when there is a crack, more so a divot from a rock with cracks radiating out from it, that if they can stabilize the area before the cracks spread the repairs work fairly well. Once the cracks spider web out from the affected area there's little they can do to prevent them from getting worse. Dan On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: So the repair is likely only to make the existing crack less visible or completely invisible, but it may continue to crack? I'm tempted to just let it grow then! On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: replace it. In the summer when it gets hot it will spread more, if not sooner. Although my Suburban developed a crack in Texas about 6 or 7 yr ago, it grew a bit and has not grown any since, so YMMV. --R On 2/18/12 11:59 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: I had my windshield replaced last month. After 230,000 miles it was pretty pitted, though only one rock chip that didn't obstruct my view any. The new windshield developed a crack while it was sitting in the parking lot at work last week. The first time I was it, it was about 3 long. Its growing about 1 a day. Its on the passenger side and started at the bottom and working its way up and to farther away from my line of sight. Is this kind of crack repairable? Or should I have the entire windshield replaced (again) ? Thanks, Brian __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windshield Crack Repair?
Found a repair guy who could come first thing. He said it was repairable, and if it fails he'll refund my money. The warranty is good as long as I own the car. We'll see how this works. It cost $60. On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: It may work then :-) I'll see what a glass repair guy says and make a decision. On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm no windshield guy, but I have done my share over the years, and in doing so, had conversations with said repair guys about the wisdom of fixing versus replacement. It is my understanding that when there is a crack, more so a divot from a rock with cracks radiating out from it, that if they can stabilize the area before the cracks spread the repairs work fairly well. Once the cracks spider web out from the affected area there's little they can do to prevent them from getting worse. Dan On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: So the repair is likely only to make the existing crack less visible or completely invisible, but it may continue to crack? I'm tempted to just let it grow then! On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: replace it. In the summer when it gets hot it will spread more, if not sooner. Although my Suburban developed a crack in Texas about 6 or 7 yr ago, it grew a bit and has not grown any since, so YMMV. --R On 2/18/12 11:59 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: I had my windshield replaced last month. After 230,000 miles it was pretty pitted, though only one rock chip that didn't obstruct my view any. The new windshield developed a crack while it was sitting in the parking lot at work last week. The first time I was it, it was about 3 long. Its growing about 1 a day. Its on the passenger side and started at the bottom and working its way up and to farther away from my line of sight. Is this kind of crack repairable? Or should I have the entire windshield replaced (again) ? Thanks, Brian __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windshield Crack Repair?
Yes, it was stop drilled and the crack filled with resin. The surface of the windshield is smooth, but the crack is still somewhat visible. I was mostly concerned about it spreading into an area that would impair my vision. If that happens, I'll just replace it again. On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hmmm - 'hope it works. 'Wonder if it has to be stop-drilled like aircraft sheet metal - a little round hole at the end of the crack to stop the crack - relieve stress. Wilton - Original Message - From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Windshield Crack Repair? Found a repair guy who could come first thing. He said it was repairable, and if it fails he'll refund my money. The warranty is good as long as I own the car. We'll see how this works. It cost $60. On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com **wrote: It may work then :-) I'll see what a glass repair guy says and make a decision. On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm no windshield guy, but I have done my share over the years, and in doing so, had conversations with said repair guys about the wisdom of fixing versus replacement. It is my understanding that when there is a crack, more so a divot from a rock with cracks radiating out from it, that if they can stabilize the area before the cracks spread the repairs work fairly well. Once the cracks spider web out from the affected area there's little they can do to prevent them from getting worse. Dan On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: So the repair is likely only to make the existing crack less visible or completely invisible, but it may continue to crack? I'm tempted to just let it grow then! On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: replace it. In the summer when it gets hot it will spread more, if not sooner. Although my Suburban developed a crack in Texas about 6 or 7 yr ago, it grew a bit and has not grown any since, so YMMV. --R On 2/18/12 11:59 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: I had my windshield replaced last month. After 230,000 miles it was pretty pitted, though only one rock chip that didn't obstruct my view any. The new windshield developed a crack while it was sitting in the parking lot at work last week. The first time I was it, it was about 3 long. Its growing about 1 a day. Its on the passenger side and started at the bottom and working its way up and to farther away from my line of sight. Is this kind of crack repairable? Or should I have the entire windshield replaced (again) ? Thanks, Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cracked
It was caused by a rock, not the install. I heard the rock hit the windshield while driving, but the crack didn't appear until later that day. Probably the temperature change. On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 2:45 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: I had my windshield replaced last month. After 230,000 miles it was pretty pitted, though only one rock chip that didn't obstruct my view any. The new windshield developed a crack while it was sitting in the parking lot at work last week. The first time I was it, it was about 3 long. Its growing about 1 a day. Its on the passenger side and started at the bottom and working its way up and to farther away from my line of sight.Is this kind of crack repairable? Or should I have the entire windshield replaced (again) ?.. If it's just a month old, why haven't you gone back to the glass shop and shown it to them? They could easily have damaged the edge (now out of sight?) during installation which could have stressed the glass. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Superscalar vs super-piplined. Take your pick. On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: A SSH login on it takes 5 seconds of SW crunching to exchange the keys. The sad part is that its predecessor only takes 7 seconds to do the same thing, using a 50 MHz PPC processor! A PPC is a kick-ass bit twizzler compared to a MIPS. -- Jim Exactly as it was designed to do, being a RISC processor. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Nice stuff Jim! I noticed you had an article in DDJ. I used to read that all the time. I actually had the pleasure of meeting *Bob* Albrecht along the Oregon coast a few summers ago. Brian On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: A PPC is a kick-ass bit twizzler compared to a MIPS. Exactly as it was designed to do, being a RISC processor. Both are RISC processors. But I think the MIPS went a tiny bit too far. The PPC has a barrel shifter, as any RISC could, and the PPC gives fairly good control over it. The PPC also has condition code register(s), something the MIPS decided to do without. That lack doesn't harm straight C too much, but highly-optimized numerical routines, perhaps even hand-coded DSP type functions, suffer greatly. My CP/M simulator has been hand-coded into 680x0, PPC, and MIPS assembler. The latter two were exercises to learn the processors. (The MIPS was never finished, I ran aground in the linker shoals.) It also exists in straight C, for comparison. If you're curious: http://userweb.windwireless.**net/~jimc/com.htmlhttp://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/com.html -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
What kind of read and write speeds are you getting? I've read the synology are very good. My GigE switch is my ZyXEL DSL router. Will I need a pro switch to achieve the good throughput (assuming my computer is connected via GigE for major file transfers). On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am very pleased with my 211j and 2 PCs in the house. One of the folders on my NAS is applications which really makes it slick rebuilding or migrating computers. Just store key information with the software -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options I've been doing more homework on the NAS idea. Synology 211j seems like an attractive 2-bay unit that gets great reviews. I think I may get it and drop my 2TB media hard drive and my 1TB time machine in it. The alternative will to get a FW800 3TB drive for my desktop. I'd still like to have access to all my files either wired or wireless. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Is that why my electric bills are $6,000 a month? Huh. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment One power supply for a single 6500 is 6kW. That's up to 11U and most of this stuff was 2-5U, but that's about the size of the things. To be fair they probably aren't always running 100%, but neither is Cisco gear known for being energy efficient, and it's not like they can spin down drives or fans. As I recall for our exercise, we took the supply wattage peak for each of the devices in the lot, figuring they'd run at least half-ish and need that much cooling again. We did not get to the cost of adding power or HVAC to our houses. :) Best, Tim Uses nuclear power! But still has to pay for it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
LOL! I have read many comments about poor throughput with certain connections/devices. It made me wonder if the cheap GigE switches were running slow CPUs that couldn't actually transmit at GigE speeds On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Unless you want to do some fancy routing, a switch is a switch. No need to buy another one as long as yours has enough holes. Dan On Feb 13, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of read and write speeds are you getting? I've read the synology are very good. My GigE switch is my ZyXEL DSL router. Will I need a pro switch to achieve the good throughput (assuming my computer is connected via GigE for major file transfers). On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am very pleased with my 211j and 2 PCs in the house. One of the folders on my NAS is applications which really makes it slick rebuilding or migrating computers. Just store key information with the software -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options I've been doing more homework on the NAS idea. Synology 211j seems like an attractive 2-bay unit that gets great reviews. I think I may get it and drop my 2TB media hard drive and my 1TB time machine in it. The alternative will to get a FW800 3TB drive for my desktop. I'd still like to have access to all my files either wired or wireless. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Is that why my electric bills are $6,000 a month? Huh. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment One power supply for a single 6500 is 6kW. That's up to 11U and most of this stuff was 2-5U, but that's about the size of the things. To be fair they probably aren't always running 100%, but neither is Cisco gear known for being energy efficient, and it's not like they can spin down drives or fans. As I recall for our exercise, we took the supply wattage peak for each of the devices in the lot, figuring they'd run at least half-ish and need that much cooling again. We did not get to the cost of adding power or HVAC to our houses. :) Best, Tim Uses nuclear power! But still has to pay for it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Wow 9-10 MB/sec is painfully slow. That drive can do at least 40-50MB/sec with rsync if locally connected. If 9-10 MB/sec is the best I can do to initially load the drive I think I'd want to pass... On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: When I do a simple windows copy from C drive to NAS, the Win 7 copy box says 9-10 MB/sec if that's the only thing I'm doing. My Synology NAS has a single Seagate ST2000DL003 2T green (5900 rpm) drive and it's not RAID. I suspect RAID would be slower because the j has limited CPU and RAM. I'm using a Cisco WRT320N (aka Linksys) gigabit router and the PC and NAS connect directly to this router. Things I like about the 211J are (1) it's quiet and low power, (2) AJAX software is very capable and easy to use, (3) pretty good support via online community. I also have a Thecus 5-bay but it was noisy (fan) and put out lots of heat with the original drives (it was in a closet). Also, software was limited and harder to use; Synology uses the same software in all their boxes but Thecus has model-specific software that doesn't get updated after they move on to a new model. I still use the Thecus running in RAID 5 with three 2T drives. It turns itself on for a few hours daily when my PC and Synology machines do auto backups to the Thecus. Scott -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 2:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options What kind of read and write speeds are you getting? I've read the synology are very good. My GigE switch is my ZyXEL DSL router. Will I need a pro switch to achieve the good throughput (assuming my computer is connected via GigE for major file transfers). On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am very pleased with my 211j and 2 PCs in the house. One of the folders on my NAS is applications which really makes it slick rebuilding or migrating computers. Just store key information with the software -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options I've been doing more homework on the NAS idea. Synology 211j seems like an attractive 2-bay unit that gets great reviews. I think I may get it and drop my 2TB media hard drive and my 1TB time machine in it. The alternative will to get a FW800 3TB drive for my desktop. I'd still like to have access to all my files either wired or wireless. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Is that why my electric bills are $6,000 a month? Huh. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment One power supply for a single 6500 is 6kW. That's up to 11U and most of this stuff was 2-5U, but that's about the size of the things. To be fair they probably aren't always running 100%, but neither is Cisco gear known for being energy efficient, and it's not like they can spin down drives or fans. As I recall for our exercise, we took the supply wattage peak for each of the devices in the lot, figuring they'd run at least half-ish and need that much cooling again. We did not get to the cost of adding power or HVAC to our houses. :) Best, Tim Uses nuclear power! But still has to pay for it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http
Re: [MBZ] eMac question for MacDan
A lot of eMAC's also had problems with solder joints (?) that made the screen lose vertical sync. I scrapped mine for parts and used it to beef up a G4 tower. On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: If it doesn't run, it's probably not worth spending any money on. IIRC these had a G4 CPU running at anywhere between 700MHz -- 1 GHz. Pretty archaic by today's standards. My PowerBook G4 is a 1Ghz, and it does a fair job at running Mac OS 10.4 (Tiger) and the TenFourFox browser (a build of FireFox for PowerPC macs). I use TenFourFox over Safari 4 as the latter is no longer updated by Apple, and Safari 5 is not available for OS X Tiger/PowerPC. It's OK, but certainly sluggish at some things. Forget about watching video in the browser for example. TenFourFox doesn't support plugins and HTML5 Video is so choppy it's unwatchable (though I've found that to be the case even on my much newer work-issued MacBook Pro... you really seem to need a very fast internet connection for HTML5 Video; faster even than most home cable speeds). MacTubes is an alternative for YouTube videos that works pretty well. Or you can run Safari 4 with Flash enabled. Allan Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: Hmm. Order number is only on paperwork that accompanies the machine. Sorry. If it runs, just click on the Apple icon in the upper left hand corner, click on About This Mac, and click on More Info if you want it. Dan On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:22 AM, Benz Hogs wrote: Where do I find the order number? Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 2/11/2012 12:01 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Here are the list of variants: http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=A1002 You really need the order number that's on the same data tag to identify specifics, like processor speed. As far as value, it's minimal. Might make a good fish tank. $150 on mac2sell.com Dan On Feb 11, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Luther's Benz wrote: My YMCA has been given this eMac m/n A1002 No:1903 DHHS code: CH.nbsp;What is the best use for it and if we sell it, how much is it worth? Thanks! Luther KB5QHU Forest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)nbsp; -- mobile my Palm Pre+ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
I've been doing more homework on the NAS idea. Synology 211j seems like an attractive 2-bay unit that gets great reviews. I think I may get it and drop my 2TB media hard drive and my 1TB time machine in it. The alternative will to get a FW800 3TB drive for my desktop. I'd still like to have access to all my files either wired or wireless. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Is that why my electric bills are $6,000 a month? Huh. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment One power supply for a single 6500 is 6kW. That's up to 11U and most of this stuff was 2-5U, but that's about the size of the things. To be fair they probably aren't always running 100%, but neither is Cisco gear known for being energy efficient, and it's not like they can spin down drives or fans. As I recall for our exercise, we took the supply wattage peak for each of the devices in the lot, figuring they'd run at least half-ish and need that much cooling again. We did not get to the cost of adding power or HVAC to our houses. :) Best, Tim Uses nuclear power! But still has to pay for it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Engine pre-start oiling coming back from long term storage
I like Gerry's advise about putting light oil (or ATF) down into those cylinders. My mechanic advised the same thing. Hand turn before trying to fire it up. On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: If you really want to get picky about this you could hand-turn the engine several rotations first before you start it up. That should get enough oil into the mating parts to get you going. In commercial settings that have standby equipment this is what is done periodically. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Marshall Field Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:47 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Engine pre-start oiling coming back from long term storage Situation here is three 123 cars with 617 engines that have been in storage from shortest time, 2 years, to longest time, 11 years. Climate is AZ dry desert. What is the wisdom of the group regarding 1) best and easiest place to connect a pre-oiling gadget 2) what kind of pre-oil gadget (pressure accumulator, external small electric motor with oil pump, What?) and 3) how long to circulate the pre-oil before attempting a diesel start up? Thanks in advance for any help and comments! Marshall in Feenix ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2x4s [was: Re: Water Heater]
I'd imagine an old inefficient furnace can use a lot of oil and not even produce as much heat as a newer furnace. When my parents replaced the original late 1940's oil furnace with a gas unit in 1992 (largely in part to eliminate the underground oil tank which was strategically located halfway under their front porch) we found the heat to better, and much more cost effective. The cast iron radiators in the back of the house that would never really warm up with the old unit were piping hot with the new furnace. Canada has an interesting relationship with the metric system. Because they share so much with the U.S., when they converted sometimes it was just for the sake of using the metric system. Mileage signs that used to read miles were simply replaced with ones that read kilometers. So rather than place signs at even intervals, they were just replaced with new signage and a conversion. Pipe sizing is largely U.S. spec but stated in metric equivalents. European spec pipe of the same stated size would be unlikely to work because it is true metric. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: My wife and I (and the dog) somehow manage to survive in 900sqft, its amazing we can tolerate such a hardship. If the electric bill gets over $60 a month I start looking for a light thats been left on. Our oil bill includes all our hot water and runs less than $4000 a year. I burn maybe 2 cords of wood a year to supplement that. Our heating bills will go down significantly this year assuming my company's stock goes back up and I can sell some to finance a new furnace and additional insulation... If you're running over 1000 gallons of oil, insulate and seal first, furnace later. A few hundred for a blower door analysis would have a very quick payback on your heating bills. I've been furnace shopping. Just got the quotes from my cousin the plumber/HVAC guy. His costs on the furnaces I want are 1069 or 1370 with variable speed blower (plus tax). No wonder he doesn't use that brand. Ebay prices are 832 and 1060, delivered. Http://search.ebay.com/**330677162140Http://search.ebay.com/330677162140 If I were you, I'd get some quotes, and see what it would cost to get the above installed, and fix the house until it can make do on that much heat. My parents average around 600 gallons of propane a year (furnace only) in a 52x32 house. My new house (will be mine in about a week) is 30x40. The furnaces I'm looking at are 46,000 BTU, which may be marginal now, but the way I look at it if the house can't run on 39,000 net output, the house needs to be fixed. That furnace burns about 1/2 gallon per hour, which is more than I want to spend on a cold night in January. My target is 600 gallons of LP per year including hot water. But I'm starting with a 1970s house that had triple pane windows installed throughout in 1994. You might be happy to end up with a house as tight as mine is now. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Water Heater
Some years ago I knew someone who installed a tankless system and they did not like it. As I recall, the problem was that all his faucets became clogged because the minerals in the water that were getting collected in the water heater were making their way to his taps and shower instead. I don't think water heaters last as long as they used to. I would probably pay for a warranty if it can be used the way you want. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com writes: IMHO I will never again buy a tank type water heater. I now own tankless water heaters and am very satisfied. I NEVER run out of hot water, my operation costs are way down and the amount of space required for the heater is not much larger than a desk top computer. I installed a natural gas tankless heater (Bosch AquaStar) at our first house (close to 10 years ago now) and overall it was great. I don't know from experience but I think today's heaters work even better. They are not without their quirks, at least ours wasn't. They are sensitive to the incoming water temperature. Our tap water in the summer can be almost 80 degrees right out of the tap, in the wintertime it can get down below 50 degrees. If the heater doesn't compensate for incoming water temperature (ours did not) you have to adjust it seasonally. Also, low-flow usage could be a problem. Below a certain flow rate, the burner shuts off. So even though water is flowing from the hot water tap, it might be cold. Newer tankless heaters may handle this better. We moved, and our current house has a standard tank-type heater. We also got a front-loading high-efficiency clothes washer (LG) and that is where the other potential issue comes in. When the washer fills, it doesn't just open the water valve, fill, and close the valve. It fills in a series of short cycles. Water is on for five seconds, then off. The on, then off. Repeat until it decides it has enough. With a tankless heater, I don't think the water would ever really get hot since the burner would be shutting off only moments after it ignited. So if you have appliances that use water in pulses, tankless may not be a good choice. What do you think about running one of these immediately downstream of the tankless? It would provide hot water in low flow and brief draw situations where the tankless can't handle it. A tankless with a modulating burner is probably important too. http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-**GL2-5-2-Gallon-Electric-Mini-** Tank/dp/B0006GVO12http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-GL2-5-2-Gallon-Electric-Mini-Tank/dp/B0006GVO12 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Dan also said the Dobro was a poor network performer. It may be that local storage is best. I wonder if a Dobro would be fine for regular use, and then just connect it locally for backups. On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The iMac is going to be your absolute best solution, iTunes will allow you to share the music between computers, it'll be sweet. Anything else will be a PITA to setup and anything in your price range probably won't work out real well bandwidth-wise. About a month ago I was at a TV station in South Carolina training them on their shared storage solution. At one point we're running network connection tests back to the server from the client systems. Most of them were normal at around 100MB/s, one is dog slow, like 1MB/s. It turned out the editor had a Drobo mapped to what should have been one of our drive letters. I was significantly under-impressed with what the Drobo was capable of. I guess in local mode they're okay but over the network - gross... -Curt Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:41:34 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options Message-ID: CACnCPhmKRSbb236F8xC3nQu6_hQzNt1=l2m6xaq+kog7h2v...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ed, Currently I have local hard drives connected to my laptop with FireWire and maintain 2 sets of the same files, one lossless and one AAC128. The AAC128 files are stored on my laptop hard drive. The lossless files are on the external drives. I would like to get the hard drives off my desk to save space noise, and have one less cable attached to my laptop. I would also like to eliminate the AAC128 files. I would like to have a NAS that connects via GigE to my WiFi router. That way I can stream the audio files to my laptop, which streams them to an Apple Airport Express wirelessly. I have a pair of JBL studio monitors connected to the Airport Express. For times when I want to make a backup of the NAS attached storage, I figured I could use a patch cable and do the backup over the network to backup drives attached to my laptop. Perhaps the easiest thing to do is to get an iMac with a 2TB internal drive. That way I wouldn't worry about the portability and wouldn't have as many external drives! That would be a 5-7 year solution :-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
I do not like optical storage either. Capacity is too small and they're too unpredictable. I've be given CD's that can only be read on 1/3 machines I've tried. But I'm not trying to build a data center at my house either. I've been through that enterprise-at-the-house phase in my life about 15-20 years ago. I'm perfectly happy with cold storage. Personally I'd be happiest with 3 sets of disks with 1 never powered on at any given time. You can accidentally delete files on a RAID system and without a backup you don't get those files back. My media files do not change often enough for me to worry about accidentally deleting files that won't be on backup. My day to day stuff is on Time Machine. I don't want to spend thousands on a solution that won't last 15 years anyway. During that time there will be hardware failures and parts to be replaced. If you use iTunes and have an Apple Airport Express, the audio is sent from the computer to the Airport Express in ALAC format. It works fine unless there are problems with the wireless network. Hard wired would work even better, but I don't have the option of doing major electrical wiring where I live. The best I could do for wire would be flat LAN cable under the carpet. On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a guy who hosts a Cisco lab for just what you are talking about. You can find him at: Http://packetlife.net/lab/ That's great! Thanks! -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
iTunes says 28,697. ALAC. On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I've got about 1.2TB in Lossless music files from my ripped CD collection, etc. I ripped in Lossless so I would never need to do it again. Then I converted everything to AAC128 for iTunes. Ok, so I have to ask, how *many* songs is 1.2TB in Lossless? Also, which lossless codec did you use? FLAC? ALAC? -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Ed, Currently I have local hard drives connected to my laptop with FireWire and maintain 2 sets of the same files, one lossless and one AAC128. The AAC128 files are stored on my laptop hard drive. The lossless files are on the external drives. I would like to get the hard drives off my desk to save space noise, and have one less cable attached to my laptop. I would also like to eliminate the AAC128 files. I would like to have a NAS that connects via GigE to my WiFi router. That way I can stream the audio files to my laptop, which streams them to an Apple Airport Express wirelessly. I have a pair of JBL studio monitors connected to the Airport Express. For times when I want to make a backup of the NAS attached storage, I figured I could use a patch cable and do the backup over the network to backup drives attached to my laptop. Perhaps the easiest thing to do is to get an iMac with a 2TB internal drive. That way I wouldn't worry about the portability and wouldn't have as many external drives! That would be a 5-7 year solution :-) On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Darn, that means you are 8,697 songs outside a free cloud solution :) On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: iTunes says 28,697. ALAC. -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
For most people who are surfing the web or using MS Office, a Mac or PC will both get the job done. On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Brian Toscano brian.toscanoail.com wrote: The whole PC or Mac debate is not unlike the Ford or Chevy debate. I try not to think of computers in terms of Ford and Chevy. A computer, in my opinion, is more like Craftsman vs. Snap-On. A computer is a tool, designed to make the jobs I do easier. Sometimes a Craftsman tool set is great. Does what I need around the house, helps out in the shed, and basically gets my job done. However, everyonce in a while I need that impact wrench and I'm going to buy a Snap-On professional grade model. A Ford can get me to work. A Chevy can get me to work. A Mercedes can get me to work in style. But once I get to work, I'd better have the tools to do my job or I lose money. EdB -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Ed, I'm not really interested in having a rack with expensive hardware that makes noise and sucks power. I play with expensive stuff at work all day long and don't feel like dealing with it at home. I completely disagree that the NAS with RAID is the backup. What if you delete some files by accident? What if the NAS controller fries and you have no way of retrieving the data? My solution is to have a second set of disks that I keep off site. This protects me not only against hardware failure or accidental deletions, but also theft and fire. The only other thing I would like to improve upon is to have some kind cloud storage for my desktop. If the TM drive could be duplicated in the cloud I would be a happy camper, but at this point its not worth the cost. On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Ed, Currently I have local hard drives connected to my laptop with FireWire and maintain 2 sets of the same files, one lossless and one AAC128. The AAC128 files are stored on my laptop hard drive. The lossless files are on the external drives. I would like to get the hard drives off my desk to save space noise, and have one less cable attached to my laptop. I would also like to eliminate the AAC128 files. Do you have the option of a cabinet anywhere in the house? I currently have a full 42U rack in the garage. But they build smaller ones. We have a 15U? rack in my office at work. I'd have to measure, it's short because it houses the systems my desk needs so doesn't need to be much larger than the desk itself. Looks like a file cabinet shape / size. Originally audio rack furniture, but we've got computers mounted in it. Something like this could give you the ability to go with business grade (as Dan points out business grade everything is typically better than consumer grade anything) meaning a rack mount NAS / Xserve / Sun Fire what have you as well as upgrading to a pro grade Cisco / Juniper GigE switch. If you go with a NAS that has multiple ethernet, you want to be able to dual hone. For that you'll need a better quality switch, most Netgear style consumer switches can't talk to the same machine on multiple channels without getting confused. A Cisco / Juniper switch will allow you to weight balance the data moving to and from the server. Might even want to go with an optional WiFi add in card for said switch and move fully to a business class level. Then you could even add in SSL certificate encryption to the WiFi. If you start housing important data on a system available behind WiFi, it isn't a question of if, it's a question of when is someone going to get around to breaking into it and sniffing around. I would like to have a NAS that connects via GigE to my WiFi router. That way I can stream the audio files to my laptop, which streams them to an Apple Airport Express wirelessly. I have a pair of JBL studio monitors connected to the Airport Express. For times when I want to make a backup of the NAS attached storage, I figured I could use a patch cable and do the backup over the network to backup drives attached to my laptop. Back to the OS X server paired to OS X client route. Again, you can get Time Machine to work on non Apple gear, but it can be a pain, and may fail in a later OS revision. If you set up an OS X server, you can use it as an external Time Machine option like a champ. Also, do you really mean backup of the NAS itself? A proper NAS *is* the back up. It has RAID and multiple redundancy. If a drive fails, you load new drive and the NAS rebuilds and heals itself. No need to have external drives with the same information. Perhaps the easiest thing to do is to get an iMac with a 2TB internal drive. That way I wouldn't worry about the portability and wouldn't have as many external drives! That would be a 5-7 year solution :-) In my personal opinion, I don't care how many, or how few, desktop class machines you have. *Everyone* with a computer has a need for a NAS. A NAS is a first point for backup strategy. You *must have* a backup strategy. As I mentioned elsewhere (can't remember if it is this thread or another one on list) If I had a catastrophic failure of my backup strategy I would lose decades worth of irreplaceable digital photos. They were not taken with a film camera. There is no hard copy backup. Many, many, many homes are now getting to this point too. Digital photos, music bought directly from iTunes / Google / Wal-Mart / what have you, movies bought in similar manner. The more digital your life becomes, the more error redundant and air tight your backup strategy must become. I'm almost to the point of building out a NAS at my parents house and having nightly replication occur. Offsite backup of live storage. My house burns to the ground, I can rebuild local RAID
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
Can you boot off an external drive? On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: I upgraded my wife's Vista laptop's HD from 160GB to 320GB without reinstall. Works like a champ and still has Dell's original o/s reload partition. It can be easily done using Clonezilla. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 2/1/2012 11:18 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: Reinstalling and viruses are generally something unknown in the Mac world. My Mac came with the version prior to Leopard. I've upgraded it to Leopard, Snow Leopard, and then Lion. It continues to work. Somewhere along the way I upgraded the hard drive from 160GB to 500GB. This didn't require a reinstall either. I used some free utility to duplicate the drive to an external drive. Then I booted off the external drive to make sure it worked, and then installed it inside my laptop. Want to choose a different drive to boot from when you turn on the Mac, hold the Option key when you turn it on. Nice and easy. I do use Microsoft Office for Mac. The old version was running fine, but was 2004 so I upgraded to the newest. I'm not sure when they pressed the DVD, but upon install I had to download more than a 1GB of updates to make it current. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
So you can boot from Firewire, USB, and eSATA these days? :-) Its been years since I've had my own Windows based system to play with. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Yes, and did that to check the o/s before doing the 1min HD swap. Booting from an external drive is BIOS dependent, not o/s dependent. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 2/3/2012 11:13 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: Can you boot off an external drive? On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: I upgraded my wife's Vista laptop's HD from 160GB to 320GB without reinstall. Works like a champ and still has Dell's original o/s reload partition. It can be easily done using Clonezilla. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Hey all, I've got about 1.2TB in Lossless music files from my ripped CD collection, etc. I ripped in Lossless so I would never need to do it again. Then I converted everything to AAC128 for iTunes. That way it fits on my laptop hard drive, and makes it relatively easy to sync with my iPod. The headache is adding music to the collection. First I have to rip in Lossless, and convert to AAC128 and manage what should be two identical sets of files. Ideally iTunes would make the AAC128 files in the background and let users have a few different format of the same song, but it doesn't. Short of that, I would like to see them keep cached copies of lower quality files to make syncing faster. I also would like to get a wireless Time Machine drive. Right now this storage is local, connected via FW or eSATA and sits on my desk. I think NAS would be a good idea. I can connect the NAS to my existing wireless router via GigE. I'm also figuring that I can connect my computer via GigE when I want to do backups of the NAS. I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
If I was going to go the 2nd computer route, I'd just get a MacMini and hang the external drives off that. I was really looking for a simple NAS that had high throughput. I've seen USB-NAS devices for $40 but I can't imagine backing up a few TB through USB. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:30:42 -0700 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Linux has HFS+ support, IIRC. You could set up a computer with Linux and put that on your network. Since MacOS is build on top of Unix, that should work just fine with scp, rsync, ssh, and such. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Unless it was a Linux based appliance that cost less than the NAS. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: If I was going to go the 2nd computer route, I'd just get a MacMini and hang the external drives off that. I was really looking for a simple NAS that had high throughput. I've seen USB-NAS devices for $40 but I can't imagine backing up a few TB through USB. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:30:42 -0700 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Linux has HFS+ support, IIRC. You could set up a computer with Linux and put that on your network. Since MacOS is build on top of Unix, that should work just fine with scp, rsync, ssh, and such. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
I too have read about TC reliability issues. My main interests are ability to stream lossless audio across WiFi, speed of backup to 2nd set of drives, easy of use, quiet energy efficient. I do not specifically need/want a computer for this purpose unless it turns out to be the most cost effective solution. After all, I could replace my MBP with a 27 iMac and do away with the NAS/external storage altogether. Then I would just use a few external disks for backup as needed. The laptop is really drive the NAS. I'm not that concerned about RAID because the media collection doesn't change that often and I have a set of backups for that. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I would also avoid a Time Machine, as they have a less than stellar reputation for reliability. For what you spend on a Time Machine you could have the makings of a pretty decent RAID box that would give you a lot more flexibility along with redundancy. Dan On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I've got about 1.2TB in Lossless music files from my ripped CD collection, etc. I ripped in Lossless so I would never need to do it again. Then I converted everything to AAC128 for iTunes. That way it fits on my laptop hard drive, and makes it relatively easy to sync with my iPod. The headache is adding music to the collection. First I have to rip in Lossless, and convert to AAC128 and manage what should be two identical sets of files. Ideally iTunes would make the AAC128 files in the background and let users have a few different format of the same song, but it doesn't. Short of that, I would like to see them keep cached copies of lower quality files to make syncing faster. I also would like to get a wireless Time Machine drive. Right now this storage is local, connected via FW or eSATA and sits on my desk. I think NAS would be a good idea. I can connect the NAS to my existing wireless router via GigE. I'm also figuring that I can connect my computer via GigE when I want to do backups of the NAS. I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Thank for the link. What's the cheapest I can put together a small, quiet, and energy efficient box to run it on ? On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Unless it was a Linux based appliance that cost less than the NAS. Literally yesterday: http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/01/how-to-set-up-a-home-file-server-using-freenas/ Best, -Tim has not tried it On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: If I was going to go the 2nd computer route, I'd just get a MacMini and hang the external drives off that. I was really looking for a simple NAS that had high throughput. I've seen USB-NAS devices for $40 but I can't imagine backing up a few TB through USB. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:30:42 -0700 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Linux has HFS+ support, IIRC. You could set up a computer with Linux and put that on your network. Since MacOS is build on top of Unix, that should work just fine with scp, rsync, ssh, and such. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
Windows has gotten better over the years, but I've always preferred DOS, UNIX, and Mac. I don't ever remember having Lotus 1-2-3 or WordPerfect lock up my computer and need a reboot when using DOS. I rarely if ever had to reboot a UNIX server or workstation but Windows seemed to work best with regular reboots in its earlier days. Mac System 7, 8, an 9 surely had their faults but for what I was doing it was far better than Windows 3.0, Windows 3.1, and similar offerings at the time. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:35 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Allan, I used Windows from the time it was app pieces on DOS until now. Windows 3.1, 95, 97, 98 were not bad products but they did have some faults. The biggest problem was the lack of control by software providers producing software that loaded their own version of a dll file. The corrupted dll files were the biggest problems for Windows as an OS. I never had problems with any of these versions. If I loaded software, I'd check for their dll files and if any duplicated Windows OS files, I'd reload the Windows OS files after the software loaded. If the software didn't work properly, then I uninstalled it. Better to have a stable OS than a stable software app. Windows got the full blame of course, but it wasn't always their fault. Now the weird changes in Office 2007 to the human interface...now that's their fault Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
Reinstalling and viruses are generally something unknown in the Mac world. My Mac came with the version prior to Leopard. I've upgraded it to Leopard, Snow Leopard, and then Lion. It continues to work. Somewhere along the way I upgraded the hard drive from 160GB to 500GB. This didn't require a reinstall either. I used some free utility to duplicate the drive to an external drive. Then I booted off the external drive to make sure it worked, and then installed it inside my laptop. Want to choose a different drive to boot from when you turn on the Mac, hold the Option key when you turn it on. Nice and easy. I do use Microsoft Office for Mac. The old version was running fine, but was 2004 so I upgraded to the newest. I'm not sure when they pressed the DVD, but upon install I had to download more than a 1GB of updates to make it current. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: It depends on what you do I guess. I could replace barely viable with reasonably viable I guess. My wife's office runs on a machine from 2004. I just realized the video I put on YouTube today was produced on a 2003 vintage machine since my 2005 vintage has gotten an update or virus from somewhere that caused the render engine to lock up on me. Probably easiest to just re-install Windows rather than actually figure out whats wrong. I made a couple mistakes last time I installed anyway that I could rectify this time around. With the guided install disks I have at work it'll be super easy. -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:59:46 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: be7602cb-2c0a-4d7c-bc00-5b0cf3410...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii I would challenge that statement. The newest Mac I have in the house is a late 2005 iMac, and it continues to do everything I need. Barely viable is greatly overstated. For that matter, we have literally tens of thousands of HP desktops running XP, and they do just fine. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: A 7-8 year old computer is still just barely viable, back then Tyan still made boards in the USA and Crucial still made some RAM in Idaho (although I hear they may be moving some production back). A drive and monitor is going to be the real trouble... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
The whole PC or Mac debate is not unlike the Ford or Chevy debate. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Reinstalling and viruses are generally something unknown in the Mac world. My Mac came with the version prior to Leopard. I've upgraded it to Leopard, Snow Leopard, and then Lion. It continues to work. Somewhere along the way I upgraded the hard drive from 160GB to 500GB. This didn't require a reinstall either. I used some free utility to duplicate the drive to an external drive. Then I booted off the external drive to make sure it worked, and then installed it inside my laptop. Want to choose a different drive to boot from when you turn on the Mac, hold the Option key when you turn it on. Nice and easy. I do use Microsoft Office for Mac. The old version was running fine, but was 2004 so I upgraded to the newest. I'm not sure when they pressed the DVD, but upon install I had to download more than a 1GB of updates to make it current. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: It depends on what you do I guess. I could replace barely viable with reasonably viable I guess. My wife's office runs on a machine from 2004. I just realized the video I put on YouTube today was produced on a 2003 vintage machine since my 2005 vintage has gotten an update or virus from somewhere that caused the render engine to lock up on me. Probably easiest to just re-install Windows rather than actually figure out whats wrong. I made a couple mistakes last time I installed anyway that I could rectify this time around. With the guided install disks I have at work it'll be super easy. -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:59:46 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: be7602cb-2c0a-4d7c-bc00-5b0cf3410...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii I would challenge that statement. The newest Mac I have in the house is a late 2005 iMac, and it continues to do everything I need. Barely viable is greatly overstated. For that matter, we have literally tens of thousands of HP desktops running XP, and they do just fine. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: A 7-8 year old computer is still just barely viable, back then Tyan still made boards in the USA and Crucial still made some RAM in Idaho (although I hear they may be moving some production back). A drive and monitor is going to be the real trouble... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/210 rear links
When did the supplier start carrying the Chinese links? While they may fit and work now, I wonder if the rubber will hold up as well as the rubber in the German units? It may, or may not. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: true, true Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124/210 rear links How 'bout a 25-year-old car? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124/210 rear links But in honesty, these are made in China. Butour supplier has sold more than a thousand and we have sold more than two hundred with absolutely no issues. So for a 10-16 year old car they are fine. I will certainly put them on my new W210 when it needs them. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] 124/210 rear links Anybody got a 124 or 210 with a squeaky or squirrelly rear end? Mr Q has the whole kit on sale for Feb. Get em now! That is the cost of 1/2 or 2/3 of all the parts the last time I ordered them. Who is Q? The guy who keeps our cars supplied with parts. Call Rusty at 800 741 5252. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/210 rear links
As far as changing one link at a time or doing the whole thing all at once, I think it depends on the condition of the rear suspension. If prior to you, some links had already been replaced, why replace them all ? If on the other hand, its original, go ahead. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: When did the supplier start carrying the Chinese links? While they may fit and work now, I wonder if the rubber will hold up as well as the rubber in the German units? It may, or may not. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.comwrote: true, true Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124/210 rear links How 'bout a 25-year-old car? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124/210 rear links But in honesty, these are made in China. Butour supplier has sold more than a thousand and we have sold more than two hundred with absolutely no issues. So for a 10-16 year old car they are fine. I will certainly put them on my new W210 when it needs them. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] 124/210 rear links Anybody got a 124 or 210 with a squeaky or squirrelly rear end? Mr Q has the whole kit on sale for Feb. Get em now! That is the cost of 1/2 or 2/3 of all the parts the last time I ordered them. Who is Q? The guy who keeps our cars supplied with parts. Call Rusty at 800 741 5252. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
People who have to reinstall their OS ever day are idiots. Most of the people I know have never had any problems. One did reinstall to try to clear up some weird issues after the Lion upgrade, but never had to reinstall in the previous 10 years. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://www.wired.com/**wiredenterprise/2012/02/**mokafive-steve-jobshttp://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/02/mokafive-steve-jobs --R On 2/1/12 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: If you're not needing to reinstall you're not working hard enough. Again I've been on the other side of the phone long enough to know that plenty of people have to re-install the Mac OS every day. Sometimes its because Apple releases a sucky update or who knows what else. For awhile I did support for Final Cut Pro (well sort of, we made a card that worked with FCP) so don't tell me its just 3rd party applications, Apple makes their share of mistakes too. If I were a Mac user I'd want the Mac OS to remain a niche thing, the more people start using it the more viruses will target it. Every operating system has holes for viruses, thats been proven over and over for years. -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:18:36 -0700 From: Brian Toscanobrian.toscano@gmail.**com brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: CACnCPhkvb-UvDVCW_qmOCSQ-**5xT1W1OUMZKEPPkcqhv6mGwjmQ@** mail.gmail.comcacncphkvb-uvdvcw_qmocsq-5xt1w1oumzkeppkcqhv6mgw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Reinstalling and viruses are generally something unknown in the Mac world. My Mac came with the version prior to Leopard. I've upgraded it to Leopard, Snow Leopard, and then Lion. It continues to work. Somewhere along the way I upgraded the hard drive from 160GB to 500GB. This didn't require a reinstall either. I used some free utility to duplicate the drive to an external drive. Then I booted off the external drive to make sure it worked, and then installed it inside my laptop. Want to choose a different drive to boot from when you turn on the Mac, hold the Option key when you turn it on. Nice and easy. I do use Microsoft Office for Mac. The old version was running fine, but was 2004 so I upgraded to the newest. I'm not sure when they pressed the DVD, but upon install I had to download more than a 1GB of updates to make it current. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/210 rear links
To do the rear subframe, I found it easiest to have a tranny jack to hold the differential. It doesn't take long to remove the entire subframe. You need to disconnect the emergency brake cables, differential ABS sensor, and driveshaft. Then slide the subframe out from under the car with the axles and differential still mounted. The single most important thing to remember when installing new bushings of any sort is that the bolts should NOT be tightened until they are bearing the weight of the car. From a tool standpoint, keep in mind that the links generally used different bolt kits than the newer ones. Whereas the older ones were usually 17 or 19mm, the newer ones will include 16 or 18 mm, and XZN. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: If the top (camber link is ok, then it is either the inner bushings on the LCA (best to buy a new LCA) or the outer bushing that resides in the wheel carrier. Most likely it is a culmination of the creep/wear in the camber link and both ends of the LCA. Subframe bushings are easier on the 124. I did a write up to the list in maybe april of 2010 if you check the archives. You need a floor jack and jackstands. No lift. It would be harder/more dangerous on a lift to me. On Feb 1, 2012 7:39 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: excessive negative camber in the rear of a 124 Camber link, LCA and subframe bushings All links were replaced about 20K miles ago. I wonder if they've failed prematurely? Subframe bushings doesn't sound like a fun job without a lift. Alex __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
But its not bold to say that people have to reinstall their OS every day? Even in your own example you state 2 years, not every day. I've never had any major Firewire issues on any of the Mac's I've used since my G3 in 2000. It sounds more like you just don't like Apple and will come up with technical, social, and political reasons to substantiate your arguments, no matter how weak or disconnected they are from the majority of users who are perfectly happy with Apple products. I do have occasional issues Finder external hard drives, but they are far more tolerable than using Windows. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Thats a pretty bold statement for somebody who clearly only uses maybe 50% of the processing power of the computer. People who edit video professionally will reinstall the OS on their machine probably twice in its lifetime, it doesn't matter if its PC or Mac. That'll be once every 2 years or so, then they'll get a new machine (at the 4 or 5 year mark) because the new machine will be faster enough to pay for itself and because the drives and powersupply in the old unit are pretty well spent. When you run the machine 10-20 hours a day absolutely thrashing on it to make a television show or film the OS will get corrupt. BTW you obviously never ran 10.3.6 when it first came out. If you had and you'd been using a Firewire 800 drive you'd have reinstalled 10.3.5 because the OS would have blasted the MBR of the drive and lost all your data... It was re-released sans-bug some time later and was a good OS. -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:04:16 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: CACnCPhkEp6M4xzPGGMg7xjkrX8PzWNSzjLn_m35Wj77Kianp=g...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 People who have to reinstall their OS ever day are idiots. Most of the people I know have never had any problems. One did reinstall to try to clear up some weird issues after the Lion upgrade, but never had to reinstall in the previous 10 years. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
You can run UNIX programs, with UNIX real shells. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Why? What does it gain you? -Curt Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:39:01 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor Message-ID: 1328125141.10553.140661030911...@webmail.messagingengine.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you want a *real* command line on Windows, install cygwin. First thing I do on any new Windows workstation. Allan On Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: What the who now? I use the command line most every day, WinXP, Vista, Win7, makes no never mind. RunCMD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
Did you try rebooting with the USB cable to the printer disconnected? Maybe I'm just lucky, but I haven't had to reinstall for any reason. I do keep a bootable backup drive and also use Time Machine just in case. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: FWIW a few weeks back some printer driver (or some printer error report about the paper or the toner cart or something) corrupted the USB connection (or so it seemed) on this iMac, and then when I tried to reboot it the gray screen with the apple just sat there and it would not boot. The Apple store genius reinstalled the OS and it was fine. I'm not sure what the printer did but it gorked the OS. The genius did not know either. My Apple experience has not been wildly different from my winders experience, it is just another way to work and I honestly do not have much preference one way or the other as long as the thing does what I want it to do, when I want it done. --R On 2/1/12 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: If you're not needing to reinstall you're not working hard enough. Again I've been on the other side of the phone long enough to know that plenty of people have to re-install the Mac OS every day. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
I don't know he didn't elaborate. Would it be any different than working on a Windows support team? What was getting corrupted? Were users pulling the power cords out of the ir systems during the middle of a complex task leaving the file system corrupted? On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Brian Toscano wrote: But its not bold to say that people have to reinstall their OS every day? Perhaps when Curt was working support, he encountered a customer every day who needed to reinstall? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
I never suggested that I am (or should be) representative of Apple's entire user base. All I'm saying is that for many people, Mac's are generally trouble free. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: O I get it, you misunderstand. I mean SOMEBODY is reinstalling their OS every day. Any OS, doesn't matter which. The argument that Macs don't crash somehow seems to dodge the fact that they do. Just because YOU don't have a problem with YOUR Mac is just like saying Mercedes never break down... -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:58:34 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: cacncphnvag9fr_m-hcwj0fyngspafdjg5ybwxokh6ozosf2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But its not bold to say that people have to reinstall their OS every day? Even in your own example you state 2 years, not every day. I've never had any major Firewire issues on any of the Mac's I've used since my G3 in 2000. It sounds more like you just don't like Apple and will come up with technical, social, and political reasons to substantiate your arguments, no matter how weak or disconnected they are from the majority of users who are perfectly happy with Apple products. I do have occasional issues Finder external hard drives, but they are far more tolerable than using Windows. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
I'm sure those working in Windows support advise users to re-install their OS every day too. Generally people calling support are not calling to tell you their system works great and they never have any problems. I also wonder how many people advise re-installing the OS because its faster than trying to figure out what's really wrong. I don't think anyone actually think Mac's are perfect systems that never fail. That would be unreasonable. I do think that many people have had extremely good luck with their Mac systems when compared to their Windows systems of a similar era, particularly during Windows early years. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: I never suggested that I am (or should be) representative of Apple's entire user base. All I'm saying is that for many people, Mac's are generally trouble free. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: O I get it, you misunderstand. I mean SOMEBODY is reinstalling their OS every day. Any OS, doesn't matter which. The argument that Macs don't crash somehow seems to dodge the fact that they do. Just because YOU don't have a problem with YOUR Mac is just like saying Mercedes never break down... -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:58:34 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: cacncphnvag9fr_m-hcwj0fyngspafdjg5ybwxokh6ozosf2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But its not bold to say that people have to reinstall their OS every day? Even in your own example you state 2 years, not every day. I've never had any major Firewire issues on any of the Mac's I've used since my G3 in 2000. It sounds more like you just don't like Apple and will come up with technical, social, and political reasons to substantiate your arguments, no matter how weak or disconnected they are from the majority of users who are perfectly happy with Apple products. I do have occasional issues Finder external hard drives, but they are far more tolerable than using Windows. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
The thing I remember about Be was that you could you watch a video AND do something else at the same time and the video never stopped, the computer didn't hang, etc. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Feb 1, 2012 5:56 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I have BeOS. Want to find something that will run it. I was a licensed Be developer at one point and had a BeBox/66. Sold it unfortunately... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
I guess for some people the choice between Macs and PC's is still no different than whether or not you're pro-choice or pro-life, or for gun rights or gun control. :-( On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: No doubt, I'm more leaning on the Support Human Rights types who flock to Apple gear. Apparently one of the Apple suppliers (not Foxconn, I can't remember the name) has a factory considered to be one of the worst in the world so Apple investigated it and had it shut down. Well shut down in the daytime anyway, they only work at night now so the issues are less obvious. I also like to ask iPhone users if the polished aluminum is worth the lives of the workers killed to make it: http://www.telegram.com/article/20120130/COLUMN70/120129523/1002/businessOkaythat article is poor but the deaths are real. -Curt Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:22:10 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor Message-ID: 1327940530.29096.140661029834...@webmail.messagingengine.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Jan 30, 2012, at 08:14 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Besides Apple (through sub-contractors) nearly actively slaughters people in China. If you support human rights you cannot support Apple. That's a bit extreme. China is going through the same thing the USA went through in the early industrial revolution, lots of people flocking to sweatshop factory work because it's better than the alternative of rural poverty/starvation. You'd be hard pressed to find any made-in-china consumer electronics device that is not made under similar conditions. My father-in-law's PC (HP/Compaq) which I recently had apart had Foxconn stuff in it. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
I bought a Mac because it made my life easier. Not because I was trying further my alignment with any causes. On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You (appear to) make the common mistake to assume that a corporation has some compulsion to support whatever issue you or I or someone else believes in, absent a desire to do it to get you to give them money for their product(s). Their purpose is to make money for shareholders while complying with whatever laws they have to deal with. Their shareholders might agree that some other ancillary purpose is worth less profit, but they have to vote on that (through the board) or otherwise approve it by their willingness to pay a certain price for the shares. Walmart has become very successful because they provide cheap products and a decent shopping experience and that is what their customers want. If you don't like how they go about providing that, you (or I or whoever) have other choices, perhaps less convenient. Apple provides products that people like, at a (premium) price they are willing to pay for presumably a (premium) positive user experience, and most people seem as if they would rather compromise their social values (if they really have them, other than lip service) than to forgo an Apple product. If one has an issue with their suppliers or methods, feel free to avoid their products, and perhaps convince others to do the same if you feel sufficiently compelled to do so. It is actually quite simple! --R On 1/30/12 1:54 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: An apt connection I would think. They were talking the other day on NPR about how people will have to get used to paying more if China enforces human rights. I was thinking that maybe, just maybe, Apple could take a hit since they're the most profitable company in the world. -Curt Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:55:20 -0500 From: Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor Message-ID:4F26D988.10300@**voyager.net 4f26d988.10...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: I also like to ask iPhone users if the polished aluminum is worth the lives of the workers killed to make it:http://www.telegram.com/** article/20120130/COLUMN70/**120129523/1002/businessOkayhttp://www.telegram.com/article/20120130/COLUMN70/120129523/1002/businessOkaythat article is poor but the deaths are real. Sound like Walton-Mart: To that end, the Times reports that Apple has conducted supplier audits and published the results on its web site. At the same time, Apple pushes its suppliers to manufacture huge volumes with little notice at very low costs and razor-thin profit margins. And every year it requires those suppliers to reduce their prices by 10 percent, reports the Times. Apple is an amazingly greedy company. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
The main reason for wanting to run 2560x1440 or 2560x1660 is that you can have two full screen windows up at the same time. On my 17 laptop screen which runs 1920x1200, I end up minimizing or sending one halfway off the scene a lot of the time when I'm working on two documents at the same time. Or if you're writing a program and have an editor in one window and a web browser in the window. With a 27 running 2560x1440 this wouldn't be necessary. I've put up with it for 4-1/2 years so its not a killer, but for my next computer I'm seriously considered a smaller screen laptop with a 27 or a 27 iMac. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 1920x1200 is a 16x10 monitor. From what I saw almost all 24 monitors are 1920x1080 or 1920x1200, I didn't want a larger monitor as I don't have the desk space for it, the 24 clears the printer and scanner by ~1/2. I can't see my needing any more real estate, I'm only using the left 2/3 of the screen most of the time now. -Curt Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:22:02 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor Message-ID: cacncphkwmabn18e9a-awargkg-0pjqk4-+kgiu63upn5jbd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It may be different on a PC, but for Mac I prefer larger than 1920x1200 resolution. I have a 17 laptop that runs at 1920x1200. I think 2560x1600 on a 27 would be nice. Two full screen windows with extra real screen space. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
Apple sells their 27 display for $900 or $1000 that also serves more or less as a docking station. One cable bundle from the monitor for laptop charging thunderbolt which will carries video along with everything else. A few years ago their 30 was considerably more expensive. Even if you have a 17 laptop, you could still drive a 27-30 display at 2560x1400 or 2560x1600 simultaneously(not mirrored). I did this at my friend's who has the 30. The Mac Mini is an interesting machine. A buddy of mine has one he uses as a server. It has no local display, everything he he does with it is done remotely. Based on the cost of an iMac vs MacMini, both with displays, I think the iMac is a better value. $1700 vs roughly $2000 if you want quad-core. I really wish Apple would release something that is a combination of Time Capsule and Apple TV. I can't justify spending so much on all these separate units. Right now I use Time Machine with a local hard drive, a phone company provided DSL router, and an Apple Airport Express for streaming music. If the Time Capsule could stream music then I could repurpose my existing Airport Express, return the phone company DSL router, and get the local hard drive off my desk - replacing three devices with one. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: The main reason for wanting to run 2560x1440 or 2560x1660 is that you can have two full screen windows up at the same time. Two separate, smaller monitors used to the the cheaper way to do this, as prices went up exponentially with size. Not sure the difference is as great these days. Also assuming your video card supports it. I'm looking at some surplus Intel-baed iMacs right now, university surplus wants about $600-700 for them, for which I could buy a NEW Mac Mini, but then I'd need monitor(s). iMac already has one and supports connecting a second monitor, I believe. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
It may be different on a PC, but for Mac I prefer larger than 1920x1200 resolution. I have a 17 laptop that runs at 1920x1200. I think 2560x1600 on a 27 would be nice. Two full screen windows with extra real screen space. On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Jan 27, 2012 3:20 PM, Curt Raymond said For ~$180 I got (from Amazon of course) a Viewsonic 24 LED. What's the model number? What kind of panel technology does it use? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - old CRT monitor repair
I would recycle it and get a flat panel. I found that flat panels eliminated eye strain that even the best CRT monitors could not. Before using a notebook with a flat panel, I had a $2,000 Sony monitor. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Probably one of the high voltage transformers, since that is the typical failure. Whether or not it's worth the effort and money is up to you, I'm much more fond of flat screen LCD monitors -- much less distortion. Peter On Jan 22, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: Chuck it and look on Craigslist or Freecycle, those things are being given away every day/where. I have 3 in my garage. Yep - that is in the process also. I got this from previous employer, and used it for several months, seemed to work good, then quit. In pulling the case off, it seemed well built, if ancient, so I figured some of the geeks here might know what/if this is something to repair?? thanks mao __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Friends have owned Macs longer than I have, and I haven't heard of any major problems with their PPC machines. The newer ones seem to have more problems, but laptop batteries and SuperDrives are kind of like repairing tie rod ends in my opinion. Its unfortunate that people are having graphics controller problems. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: It is going to have to have the battery installed for testing. The battery would have no effect on the graphics issue, but they will want to test everything as a unit, so the battery is a must. I must be living right, as I have yet to own a Mac that required repairs. And this is over 15+ years of Mac ownership of a lot of different machines, nearly all I purchased as refurbs. The only new machines I bought new were an early 2006 20 iMac (which I just upgraded with a C2D CPU, hard drive and a total of 4GB RAM) and an early 2006 17 iMac that my youngest son continues to use. I have a 15 MBP CD I bought in late 2005/early 2006 as a refurb, and other than swapping a hard drive from a 160GB to 320GB and adding an 802.11n AirPort card, it's never missed a lick. I did have a failed battery in it covered by a recall, but I don't consider that a defect, as it was working just fine but the battery was covered under a recall despite working just fine. I have two 20 PPC iMacs out in the garage I got from Mac buddies - one needs a reflow on the GPU, a simple repair, and the other needs a set of caps on the logic board ($35 for a set.) These will be repaired over the holiday break, with the best of the two set up as a terminal in the kitchen since the PPC iMacs have VESA mounts, something later models do not have... Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:54 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I just bought a new battery. Should I remove it before sending it along with the computer if I do need to ship it for repairr? I think I know the answer - they would need the battery to rule out a battery problem, right? On 12/21/11, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: The flat rate option which requires shipping was about $300 for my buddy. In-store repair was about $900-1000. Since the free motherboard replacement, all I've had to do is replace the battery SuperDrive. For as much as I use the laptop, I really can't complain. Upgrading the hard drive and memory gave it a speed boost. If this one craps out, I'll probably buy another. If it doesn't crap out, I'll probably get another sometime after the 5-6 year mark. Thunderbolt would be nice, if it works more reliably than eSATA. Brian On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I hope that the SN is engraved into the case and not part of the Mac info on the hard drive that can only revealed by viewing it on the display! On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Worst case if it's not something covered under a campaign would be to go the flat fee repair they offer if you want to keep it. If I had a serial number I could look up the part on GSX and tell you, but rest assured, it won't be cheap. Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:11 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: He being me, I am curious as to what it will cost for a new motherboard. On 12/21/11, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, I'm not sure if they changed the procedures since my motherboard was diagnosed and replaced, but back then they used a FireWire hard drive to boot externally and it generated a light pattern that told the tech bad graphics controller. Troubleshooting procedures should be followed to correctly diagnose the problem, but I can say that from personal experience that he probably needs a new motherboard since the graphics controller cannot be changed independently and that it may or may not be covered under the recall. Brian On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: The resets are part of the troubleshooting process, and are documented in the Apple service literature. While they don't always yield a change in the issue, they are valid steps that the Genius or repair personnel will enlist before moving forward. The nVidia issue is clearly documented on Apple's Support site, which I believe also includes a serial number check utility that will tell the user if their machine is included in the replacement campaign. Dan (GSX certified Apple Tech) On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: In my experience, all of these resets are a waste of time. Basically the graphics card will flake out a couple of time and then its just completely dead. My buddy went through all of the resets, battery swaps, as I did and in both cases a new motherboard was the only fix. If his computer was subject to the nVIDIA issue
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Sort of like the Mercedes saying, if doesn't leak, it will :-) My buddy has a G5 and a 30 and they're both chugging along fine. On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: The liquid cooled PPC G5 machines were the last of their kind, thank goodness, and the liquid cooling was an approach to try and get the max out of these processors without changing the form factor of the machine, I believe. And yes, they were troublesome. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, these are one of those, Not if, but when sort of issues. And when they do fail (leak) it's a very unpleasant thing, usually catastrophic. Dan On Dec 26, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Friends have owned Macs longer than I have, and I haven't heard of any major problems with their PPC machines. The liquid cooled G5 machines were prone to trouble, from what I've heard. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '90 300D 2.5t tranny
A restricted fuel filter can also cause shifting problems, but you'd probably notice having to push down farther on the accelerator more than before as well. On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Q sells at least 2. For a 124, you need to ask for the Mann. Those come in a yellow box, and you need to order the gasket separately. If you got the kit that was shrink wrapped to the card with gasket and filter, that could be your problem. There is something different about the 124 transmission (maybe only Diesel 124s) that can cause filters other than Mann to collapse. The symptoms are as you describe. OK, then you stop and start again and it won't get above 2nd. It is a much easier fix than the other options. When I called sunValley, and described my situation, they said to change the filter to a Mann and use only Mann. They know more about MB transmissions than anyone in Nord Amerka, so I trust them. In my case, it solved the problem. I use only Mann in a 124. The others are fine in 123, 126, 107 etc. I don't know if this idiosyncrasy followed into the 210 or 211 chassis. I don't know if it is Diesel only. For me, it is not a big deal. Just order Mann and a gasket from Q. The one from Rusty - otherwise, no. Could be time for another change? On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Remember what kind for filter you put in the trans? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
I'd rather find my may to an Apple store if the laptop fails that deal with Windows any more than I have to. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Sheesh I'd forgotten all about the Mac/Windows gamma shift. It wasn't much though, maybe 10-15% and you can easily correct for it with the video card's software. If you're working professionally with a Mac and it fails you schedule an appointment and head over to the Apple store at the mall. Then you wait and they return it to you at some point. Or rather you schlep BACK to the Apple store and pick up your machine. If your HP fails HP sends a guy to you who fixes it... Apple makes reasonably nice computers but their support stinks. -Curt Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:46:02 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure Message-ID: CABHyH=b0qjbbhszh0xjjj0tcfs8ef16rs-i7kjgnxvhed-j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Dec 23, 2011 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I continue to be baffled by people who use Macs for professional work. I don't want to start a religious war here, but it's not always about price or even reliability. There are reasons why design for print is overwhelmingly done on Macs, for example, beyond just blind loyalty to the platform. I'm reliably informed by a desktop-publisher friend that Windows support for screen-to-paper color accuracy is almost nonexistent. There are plenty of other examples. Microsoft just doesn't care enough to address certain niche markets where Apple took an early lead. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
I purchased my Mac in October 2007 and have never reinstalled the OS. I've upgraded the OS a few times, and copied it to a new hard drive when I upgraded to a larger one, but never reinstalled :-) The laptop was thinner and lighter (especially the power supply) than the 17 Dell I was issued at the time. I was fortunate to work for a company that let me use my personal laptop for work and they let me return the Dell. It saved them money and saved me the headaches of dealing with Windows on a regular basis. :-) Brian On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, then there is dell that will let you talk to somebody in India. And then there are the times they (Hp, Dell or ?) claim it is the OS. Call M$ and you get to talk to somebody in India. If you get get them to escalate, then you get to talk to another schmuck in india the next day. After wasting days and money, you end up wiping the drive and installing the OS and all software again, then it is hours of downloading, restarting and whatnot to get all the updates. Yes, OS 10 and the hardware have some idiosyncrasies, but M$ and generic hardware have a LOT of idiosyncrasies Only time I have reloaded OS 10 is after a drive dies. Same drives as in generic PC hardware (Well maybe Apple uses higher MTBF drives. They don't use bottom of the barrel drives.) That depends. If you are a corporate or education customer, there are qualified VARs that provide support. And as an HP certified technician who used to support a part of a 40,000+ node enterprise, I can tell you that the guy who comes to fix your HP stuff is most likely not an HP employee, but a VAR that provides third party support for them. I have not been impressed with the level of service for HP VARs. one of the reasons we certify in-house. Dan __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Its possible the graphics controller has died in which case you will need a new motherboard. Get it diagnosed first and see what they say. Apple has a flat rate repair if you ship the laptop to Texas ~ $300-325. My buddy just had the graphics go out on his '07 MBP. About 18 months ago mine went out, but that was a bit different because nVIDIA had a recall on the graphics chip so Apple replaced the motherboard for free. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:00 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: My 2008 MacBook Pro laptop has lost its display. The first time this happened (black screen),was after the unit was plugged in (recharged) overnight. I reset the battery (removed it for a couple hours), reinstalled it and the screen sprang back to life. Now it's happened again, but this time the battery removal trick doesn't work. Is there any quick fix or diagnostic I can do at home? Or should I just take it to the Geek Squad at Best Buy? Andrew Mercedes content: Nil ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
In my experience, all of these resets are a waste of time. Basically the graphics card will flake out a couple of time and then its just completely dead. My buddy went through all of the resets, battery swaps, as I did and in both cases a new motherboard was the only fix. If his computer was subject to the nVIDIA issue, they didn't know that or didn't tell him. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks. Apple support told me the same thing so I will do this when I get home tonight. What puzzles me is why the screen came back to life the first time - after I removed the battery for several hours and then reinstalled it. Could this have been a coincidence? On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Even before you reset the NVRAM and the power controller, which is the procedure you describe, try resetting the PRAM, which you do by holding down the P + R + Command + Option keys during startup until you hear the bong sound - keep holding them down and let the machine restart 3 times with the bong sound and then let it start up. This won't hurt anything and will reset the machine back to default settings. Try your display after this and if no joy, try the procedure you have. Again, it won't break anything. Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Unlike a Windows based PC, Macs do not require that the external display port be toggled on and off. There is no Fn + F4 function on a Mac. When you plug in the external display, you get it. I checked, and the NVidia graphics issue went through late 2008 with MBPs, so there might be a possibility that your machine is one of the affected. If you take it to the Apple Store they will check it out and see if this applies. If so, they'll fix it for free. Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:39 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Thanks! Fortunately, there is an Apple Store in nearby Bethesda, MD. My son said to toggle the external screen display setting on and off, using a combination of keystrokes that I may have inadvertently triggered. Does anyone know what those keystrokes are? On 12/21/11, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Even if you don't have a local apple store, you probably have an apple authorized repair shop. I'd go with Best Buy only as a last resort, based on the one here nobody working there has a clue about technology. Allan On Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Before you panic, try connecting it to an external display and see if you get a signal. If so, your graphics card is OK, you have an issue with the display. If you don't have an adapter for an external monitor, swing by an Apple Store or a Best Buy and see if they will check it for you. Apple Store = free, Best Buy will nick you for a bench fee, I'll bet. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
My advise is to take it to the Apple Store in Bethesda or Tysons, let them diagnose and tell you what to do. Ask them about the nVIDIA recall issue and if your machine is covered under that. If its not covered, shipping it is much cheaper than an in-store repair and reasonably fast (less than 1 week). On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: In my experience, all of these resets are a waste of time. Basically the graphics card will flake out a couple of time and then its just completely dead. My buddy went through all of the resets, battery swaps, as I did and in both cases a new motherboard was the only fix. If his computer was subject to the nVIDIA issue, they didn't know that or didn't tell him. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Apple support told me the same thing so I will do this when I get home tonight. What puzzles me is why the screen came back to life the first time - after I removed the battery for several hours and then reinstalled it. Could this have been a coincidence? On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Even before you reset the NVRAM and the power controller, which is the procedure you describe, try resetting the PRAM, which you do by holding down the P + R + Command + Option keys during startup until you hear the bong sound - keep holding them down and let the machine restart 3 times with the bong sound and then let it start up. This won't hurt anything and will reset the machine back to default settings. Try your display after this and if no joy, try the procedure you have. Again, it won't break anything. Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Unlike a Windows based PC, Macs do not require that the external display port be toggled on and off. There is no Fn + F4 function on a Mac. When you plug in the external display, you get it. I checked, and the NVidia graphics issue went through late 2008 with MBPs, so there might be a possibility that your machine is one of the affected. If you take it to the Apple Store they will check it out and see if this applies. If so, they'll fix it for free. Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:39 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Thanks! Fortunately, there is an Apple Store in nearby Bethesda, MD. My son said to toggle the external screen display setting on and off, using a combination of keystrokes that I may have inadvertently triggered. Does anyone know what those keystrokes are? On 12/21/11, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Even if you don't have a local apple store, you probably have an apple authorized repair shop. I'd go with Best Buy only as a last resort, based on the one here nobody working there has a clue about technology. Allan On Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Before you panic, try connecting it to an external display and see if you get a signal. If so, your graphics card is OK, you have an issue with the display. If you don't have an adapter for an external monitor, swing by an Apple Store or a Best Buy and see if they will check it for you. Apple Store = free, Best Buy will nick you for a bench fee, I'll bet. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Dan, I'm not sure if they changed the procedures since my motherboard was diagnosed and replaced, but back then they used a FireWire hard drive to boot externally and it generated a light pattern that told the tech bad graphics controller. Troubleshooting procedures should be followed to correctly diagnose the problem, but I can say that from personal experience that he probably needs a new motherboard since the graphics controller cannot be changed independently and that it may or may not be covered under the recall. Brian On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: The resets are part of the troubleshooting process, and are documented in the Apple service literature. While they don't always yield a change in the issue, they are valid steps that the Genius or repair personnel will enlist before moving forward. The nVidia issue is clearly documented on Apple's Support site, which I believe also includes a serial number check utility that will tell the user if their machine is included in the replacement campaign. Dan (GSX certified Apple Tech) On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: In my experience, all of these resets are a waste of time. Basically the graphics card will flake out a couple of time and then its just completely dead. My buddy went through all of the resets, battery swaps, as I did and in both cases a new motherboard was the only fix. If his computer was subject to the nVIDIA issue, they didn't know that or didn't tell him. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks. Apple support told me the same thing so I will do this when I get home tonight. What puzzles me is why the screen came back to life the first time - after I removed the battery for several hours and then reinstalled it. Could this have been a coincidence? On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Even before you reset the NVRAM and the power controller, which is the procedure you describe, try resetting the PRAM, which you do by holding down the P + R + Command + Option keys during startup until you hear the bong sound - keep holding them down and let the machine restart 3 times with the bong sound and then let it start up. This won't hurt anything and will reset the machine back to default settings. Try your display after this and if no joy, try the procedure you have. Again, it won't break anything. Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Unlike a Windows based PC, Macs do not require that the external display port be toggled on and off. There is no Fn + F4 function on a Mac. When you plug in the external display, you get it. I checked, and the NVidia graphics issue went through late 2008 with MBPs, so there might be a possibility that your machine is one of the affected. If you take it to the Apple Store they will check it out and see if this applies. If so, they'll fix it for free. Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:39 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Thanks! Fortunately, there is an Apple Store in nearby Bethesda, MD. My son said to toggle the external screen display setting on and off, using a combination of keystrokes that I may have inadvertently triggered. Does anyone know what those keystrokes are? On 12/21/11, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Even if you don't have a local apple store, you probably have an apple authorized repair shop. I'd go with Best Buy only as a last resort, based on the one here nobody working there has a clue about technology. Allan On Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Before you panic, try connecting it to an external display and see if you get a signal. If so, your graphics card is OK, you have an issue with the display. If you don't have an adapter for an external monitor, swing by an Apple Store or a Best Buy and see if they will check it for you. Apple Store = free, Best Buy will nick you for a bench fee, I'll bet. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
The flat rate option which requires shipping was about $300 for my buddy. In-store repair was about $900-1000. Since the free motherboard replacement, all I've had to do is replace the battery SuperDrive. For as much as I use the laptop, I really can't complain. Upgrading the hard drive and memory gave it a speed boost. If this one craps out, I'll probably buy another. If it doesn't crap out, I'll probably get another sometime after the 5-6 year mark. Thunderbolt would be nice, if it works more reliably than eSATA. Brian On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I hope that the SN is engraved into the case and not part of the Mac info on the hard drive that can only revealed by viewing it on the display! On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Worst case if it's not something covered under a campaign would be to go the flat fee repair they offer if you want to keep it. If I had a serial number I could look up the part on GSX and tell you, but rest assured, it won't be cheap. Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:11 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: He being me, I am curious as to what it will cost for a new motherboard. On 12/21/11, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, I'm not sure if they changed the procedures since my motherboard was diagnosed and replaced, but back then they used a FireWire hard drive to boot externally and it generated a light pattern that told the tech bad graphics controller. Troubleshooting procedures should be followed to correctly diagnose the problem, but I can say that from personal experience that he probably needs a new motherboard since the graphics controller cannot be changed independently and that it may or may not be covered under the recall. Brian On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: The resets are part of the troubleshooting process, and are documented in the Apple service literature. While they don't always yield a change in the issue, they are valid steps that the Genius or repair personnel will enlist before moving forward. The nVidia issue is clearly documented on Apple's Support site, which I believe also includes a serial number check utility that will tell the user if their machine is included in the replacement campaign. Dan (GSX certified Apple Tech) On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: In my experience, all of these resets are a waste of time. Basically the graphics card will flake out a couple of time and then its just completely dead. My buddy went through all of the resets, battery swaps, as I did and in both cases a new motherboard was the only fix. If his computer was subject to the nVIDIA issue, they didn't know that or didn't tell him. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks. Apple support told me the same thing so I will do this when I get home tonight. What puzzles me is why the screen came back to life the first time - after I removed the battery for several hours and then reinstalled it. Could this have been a coincidence? On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Even before you reset the NVRAM and the power controller, which is the procedure you describe, try resetting the PRAM, which you do by holding down the P + R + Command + Option keys during startup until you hear the bong sound - keep holding them down and let the machine restart 3 times with the bong sound and then let it start up. This won't hurt anything and will reset the machine back to default settings. Try your display after this and if no joy, try the procedure you have. Again, it won't break anything. Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Unlike a Windows based PC, Macs do not require that the external display port be toggled on and off. There is no Fn + F4 function on a Mac. When you plug in the external display, you get it. I checked, and the NVidia graphics issue went through late 2008 with MBPs, so there might be a possibility that your machine is one of the affected. If you take it to the Apple Store they will check it out and see if this applies. If so, they'll fix it for free. Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:39 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Thanks! Fortunately, there is an Apple Store in nearby Bethesda, MD. My son said to toggle the external screen display setting on and off, using a combination of keystrokes that I may have inadvertently triggered. Does anyone know what those keystrokes are? On 12/21/11, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Even if you don't have a local apple store, you probably have an apple authorized repair shop. I'd go with Best Buy only as a last resort, based on the one here nobody working there has
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
I'd just send as-is, but make a hard drive backup if you have the equipment to do so. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:54 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I just bought a new battery. Should I remove it before sending it along with the computer if I do need to ship it for repairr? I think I know the answer - they would need the battery to rule out a battery problem, right? On 12/21/11, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: The flat rate option which requires shipping was about $300 for my buddy. In-store repair was about $900-1000. Since the free motherboard replacement, all I've had to do is replace the battery SuperDrive. For as much as I use the laptop, I really can't complain. Upgrading the hard drive and memory gave it a speed boost. If this one craps out, I'll probably buy another. If it doesn't crap out, I'll probably get another sometime after the 5-6 year mark. Thunderbolt would be nice, if it works more reliably than eSATA. Brian On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I hope that the SN is engraved into the case and not part of the Mac info on the hard drive that can only revealed by viewing it on the display! On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Worst case if it's not something covered under a campaign would be to go the flat fee repair they offer if you want to keep it. If I had a serial number I could look up the part on GSX and tell you, but rest assured, it won't be cheap. Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:11 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: He being me, I am curious as to what it will cost for a new motherboard. On 12/21/11, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, I'm not sure if they changed the procedures since my motherboard was diagnosed and replaced, but back then they used a FireWire hard drive to boot externally and it generated a light pattern that told the tech bad graphics controller. Troubleshooting procedures should be followed to correctly diagnose the problem, but I can say that from personal experience that he probably needs a new motherboard since the graphics controller cannot be changed independently and that it may or may not be covered under the recall. Brian On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: The resets are part of the troubleshooting process, and are documented in the Apple service literature. While they don't always yield a change in the issue, they are valid steps that the Genius or repair personnel will enlist before moving forward. The nVidia issue is clearly documented on Apple's Support site, which I believe also includes a serial number check utility that will tell the user if their machine is included in the replacement campaign. Dan (GSX certified Apple Tech) On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: In my experience, all of these resets are a waste of time. Basically the graphics card will flake out a couple of time and then its just completely dead. My buddy went through all of the resets, battery swaps, as I did and in both cases a new motherboard was the only fix. If his computer was subject to the nVIDIA issue, they didn't know that or didn't tell him. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks. Apple support told me the same thing so I will do this when I get home tonight. What puzzles me is why the screen came back to life the first time - after I removed the battery for several hours and then reinstalled it. Could this have been a coincidence? On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Even before you reset the NVRAM and the power controller, which is the procedure you describe, try resetting the PRAM, which you do by holding down the P + R + Command + Option keys during startup until you hear the bong sound - keep holding them down and let the machine restart 3 times with the bong sound and then let it start up. This won't hurt anything and will reset the machine back to default settings. Try your display after this and if no joy, try the procedure you have. Again, it won't break anything. Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Unlike a Windows based PC, Macs do not require that the external display port be toggled on and off. There is no Fn + F4 function on a Mac. When you plug in the external display, you get it. I checked, and the NVidia graphics issue went through late 2008 with MBPs, so there might be a possibility that your machine is one of the affected. If you take it to the Apple Store they will check it out and see
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
The only problem for Andrew is he cannot see anything to make such a backup. I keep two sets of my hard drives. One set is off-site in case of fire or burglary. Brian On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: They really hammer this home in GSX, their repair system. I suspect it's because people never make backups and then find out the hard drive got replaced during a repair, effectively nuking years of data (pictures and music, no doubt!) The easiest way to do this if you have an external HD that's big enough is to use Disk Utility and make a .dmg of the complete drive. That way if it comes back with a new or nuked drive, you can easily restore in a matter of an hour or less. Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I'd just send as-is, but make a hard drive backup if you have the equipment to do so. Absolutely do, Apple will replace the hard drive without asking if that's somehow the problem. Or so I was told when I had my MacBook Pro sent in for a dead *external* display (it needed a new main board, covered under AppleCare. The shop stressed this several times, and when I dropped it off they said you do have a backup of your files, right? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Andrew, I don't know where to look up the serial number, but here is a link from Apple's web site: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2377 Symptoms In July 2008, NVIDIA publicly acknowledged a higher than normal failure rate for some of their graphics processors due to a packaging defect. At that same time, NVIDIA assured Apple that Mac computers with these graphics processors were not affected. However, after an Apple-led investigation, Apple has determined that some MacBook Pro computers with the NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics processor may be affected. If the NVIDIA graphics processor in your MacBook Pro has failed, or fails within four years of the original date of purchase, a repair will be done free of charge, even if your MacBook Pro is out of warranty. *What to look for: * - Distorted or scrambled video on the computer screen - No video on the computer screen (or external display) even though the computer is on *Specific products affected:* - MacBook Pro 15-inch and 17-inch models with NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics processors - MacBook Pro (17-Inch, 2.4GHz) - MacBook Pro (15-Inch, 2.4/2.2GHz) - MacBook Pro (Early 2008) - These computers were manufactured between approximately May 2007 and September 2008 Products Affected MacBook Pro, models with NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics processors Resolution If your MacBook Pro is exhibiting any of the symptoms listed above, please take it to an Apple Retail Store http://www.apple.com/retail/storelist/ or anApple Authorized Service Provider http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1434 (AASP) for evaluation, or call your nearest Apple Contact Centerhttp://www.apple.com/support/contact/phone_contacts.html. Before visiting the Genius Bar at the Apple Retail Store, please make a reservation http://www.apple.com/retail/geniusbar/ (available in some countries only). Apple is issuing refunds to customers who may have paid for repairs related to this issue. Please contact Applehttp://www.apple.com/support/contact/phone_contacts.html for details on the refund process. *Note*: If your MacBook Pro is not experiencing any of these symptoms, you do not need to contact Apple. Apple will continue to evaluate the repair data and will provide further repair extensions as needed. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:55 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: With a magnifying glass I was able to read the serial number: W87411ZHYAL Is this computer still under the campaign? On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Worst case if it's not something covered under a campaign would be to go the flat fee repair they offer if you want to keep it. If I had a serial number I could look up the part on GSX and tell you, but rest assured, it won't be cheap. Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:11 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: He being me, I am curious as to what it will cost for a new motherboard. On 12/21/11, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, I'm not sure if they changed the procedures since my motherboard was diagnosed and replaced, but back then they used a FireWire hard drive to boot externally and it generated a light pattern that told the tech bad graphics controller. Troubleshooting procedures should be followed to correctly diagnose the problem, but I can say that from personal experience that he probably needs a new motherboard since the graphics controller cannot be changed independently and that it may or may not be covered under the recall. Brian On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: The resets are part of the troubleshooting process, and are documented in the Apple service literature. While they don't always yield a change in the issue, they are valid steps that the Genius or repair personnel will enlist before moving forward. The nVidia issue is clearly documented on Apple's Support site, which I believe also includes a serial number check utility that will tell the user if their machine is included in the replacement campaign. Dan (GSX certified Apple Tech) On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: In my experience, all of these resets are a waste of time. Basically the graphics card will flake out a couple of time and then its just completely dead. My buddy went through all of the resets, battery swaps, as I did and in both cases a new motherboard was the only fix. If his computer was subject to the nVIDIA issue, they didn't know that or didn't tell him. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks. Apple support told me the same thing so I will do this when I get home tonight. What puzzles me is why the screen came back to life the first time - after I removed the battery for several hours
Re: [MBZ] Transmission leaks after change
Yep - if its the front seal you get to RR it again to fix the leak. On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: It's either the plug, easy to check, if not leaking there it's the front seal Sent from my iPhone On Dec 8, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Just noticed that the '87 300D is leaving a silver-dollar-sized puddle of transmission fluid overnight. Seems to be dripping from the torque converter drain plug access hole or close by. I did change the fluid and filter with Mobil1 about 500 miles ago when I started driving the car regularly again (it had been sitting for over a year, as you may recall). Any ideas? I've never noticed any leaks from the trans before on this car. Not excited about the $50+ of Mobil1 I just bought ending up on the driveway instead of staying where I put it. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heating
They also make decent air compressors for trail rigs. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Yorks are bullet proof. bonus of not needing oil circulating in the system, so better cooling! ;) Walt On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The York compressors aren't that much more expensive (Rusty's website has gone dumb but I looked into this last summer when I thought the compressor in my 240D had gone south) than the other type and when you add in the conversion kit and consider the amount you run the car the York is probably just as good a choice. I bet somebody could replace the valves in your York even cheaper. I lucked out, mine just needs a hose, a drier and vacuum/refill. Supposedly the York, when operating correctly will produce some serious cold. It sucks down HP but really does a good job. I'll know next year. -Curt Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:18:27 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heating Message-ID: 4edcfce3.4090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed We only get the scorched air smell when we first fire up in the fall after the heat has been sitting off for months. Then it burns off a bit of dust in the first few minutes. After that, no scorch! Actually, we are an area of extremes. Winter is cold and summer is often hot. We ran the AC a lot last summer. The heat is also one of the reasons that I did not run my car much last summer. My AC is no longer working. I think the valves in the compressor must have given up as it has a charge but the high and low sides are about even meaning I assume that it is not compressing. Anyone have an opinion on the pros and cons of doing the swap to the more modern sytle compressor? I see ads for a conversion with the bracket to mount the round GM style unit in place of the old piston style pump. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] car-part.com?
I've never used it for big, expensive things. But its worked well for finding NLA control arms for my '90 Dodge diesel, among other things. On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu writes: Mitch and I were discussing how the throttle inputs to the tranny are different on the W116 vs. W126, most likely they are also different on ^^^ meant to write 123 the W126. Would make for something at least a bit more complicated than a direct swap. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid's ticket
The laws, procedures, and chances of winning vary from state to state and region to region. In some states you cannot go to court for a ticket without a lawyer, while in others you can often win just by showing up on the court date. Some states will even initiate a plea agreement by mail offering to convert a moving violation into a non-moving violation. Nice idea about the dash cam. I wish I had one. Would have made an excellent youtube and court video and probably gotten a cop fired or demoted. Brian On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: If you go to court and expect to win, hire a lawyer. Make sure the lawyer presses for disclosure from the cop ahead of time during deposition taken prior to ever going to court. Opposing council is required to provide all evidence in advance. Without a lawyer, you will set yourself up to be blindsided in court and lose. Common move by the courts and cops. Good luck, Get a dash cam and make it hot any time the key is on. Ebay has some nice ones with long memory so you can do instant replay. Less than the price of a ticket. Grant... AZ... On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:13 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: .Well that's what the kid says but after looking at the ticket it says operating a vehicle not in a safe manner, pretty generic.. That's not the first description posted here and I think there is more to this story than you know right now. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 best safety
Yes, that's my recollection of Marshall's reasoning as well. However, a lot has changed since the mid-1960s. Back then when McNamara was asked about seat belts he famously quipped Ford sells automobiles not safety. Brian On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Smith, Todd todd.sm...@camc.org wrote: Isn't this the reason that Dr. Marshall Booth bought his lifelong string of Mercedes after his first wife was killed in a car crash? He looked around and found the safest car that he could buy and that turned out to be Mercedes. Yes, or close to it. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Petrol Prices [was: Re: 87 300D Next electrical gremlin- parasitic drain]
Doesn't diesel always cost more during the fall and winter? On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: YES! On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:33:59 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Diesel foreverexcept when it is $4 and guzoline is $3. That is insanity. I was planning on writing an email about this tonight. Over the last few months, our gasoline prices have inched downward and our diesel prices have inched upward. Is that so consumers will feel good about cheap gasoline, but not see the increased diesel prices because they are hidden in the cost of goods and the goods manufacturers and sellers will be blamed? Or is it because winter is approaching and people are stocking up on heating oil? Or is it because someone is jigging the futures prices? Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 best safety
Range Rovers are pretty safe, too. I was involved in a front corner collision with my W124 when a deer crossed the road. The front corner of the W124 was crumpled to the point that the insurance company totalled it. I heard the metal crunch and my ankle was a bit sore and I was a bit spooked by the incident. The Mercedes was towed because the radiator hit the fan and it was leaking coolant. A few years later I was heading South on a 2-lane road a driver heading North decided to turn left in front of me into a restaurant parking lot because he was driving back from the airport and just wanted a steak and they have really good steaks here. I was driving my Rover at the time and hit the rear corner of his Volvo. All I could remember thinking before impact was does this guy want to having a effing accident and that's exactly what I told the trooper who investigated. I was not shaken up at all, just pissed at the other driver. I'm not sure if his Volvo was towed off, but I drove another 400-450 miles home with a damaged brush guard, fender, hood and one head light. The insurance company totalled it and I had to fight with them for weeks for them to even admit fault and make me whole. There's more to life than fuel economy. Brian On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Jaime wrote: Yeah mao, thats pretty crazy... how about every Mercedes that follow the W123, starting with the W126 and W124? W216 is a larger car but not the W124 engineering is in the cage, I realize, but the safety is not any worse in W123 not that I need, anyway. The issue is in speed and awareness. Keep to posted speed and be aware. W123 is not good for mindless drivers today, but given attentiveness and care, W123 is fine, that's all. Sure, tests show better than W123 for W126 W124, I'm sure - but tests cannot beat skill and agility of driver. Idiots do not belong in a car - they belong in a cab. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
