Re: [MBZ] 1957 Studebaker Hawk on BAT

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Mitch Haley wrote:
> > No first hand knowledge, but I always thought the Commander and Hawk were
> > the coolest American cars of the 1950s.
> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1953-studebaker-commander/

The Studebaker Landcruiser, and the Hudson 4door, were the smoothest riding 
cars of the late 40s and 50s. BIL bought new Studes regularly beginning with a 
used pickup after WW-2. The last ones he bought were the sedan which had the 
propeller on the front, and then a smaller Stude with a V-8 which was so fast 
he sold it before his son began driving and bought a Chevy 4-door. I don't 
remember what it was called.
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] OT - SKS - Which is the Best?

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G Mann wrote:

> Interesting look into the dark underbelly of government contracting, thanks
> for the link.
> 
> Old out dated weapons supplied to un-trained people, to fight an undeclared
> war, not on our soil what could go wrong?
> 
> Wouldn't you like to know the "whole story" behind it all

G: Naw. I was just curious where the local manufacturer of the guns was selling 
them, and just how well made they were. I'm not a gun guy except to the extent 
that they are useful and popular "machines" which can have unique designs which 
is true of the AK47s.
Gerry
 
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:20 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone heard anything good or bad about AK47s made in Florida?
> >
> > http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/27/news/companies/kalashnikov-
> > florida-factory/index.html
> >
> > http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-
> > pulse/os-gun-factory-florida-20170319-story.html
> >
> > As noted in the above link, the AK-47 factory has links to "Purple Shovel"
> > in Tampa which probably has foreign markets for its guns, and might
> > indicate that the guns are of acceptable quality.
> >
> > http://www.purpleshovel.com/
> >
> > https://steemit.com/weapons-smuggling/@v4vapid/purple-
> > shovel-exposed-in-illegal-weapons-smuggling-operation
> >
> > It's claimed that AK47s are not very accurate, but I wonder since they are
> > supposedly the most popular gun worldwide.
> >
> > Comment?
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan Penoff wrote:
> > > Is this a good deal?
> > > https://floridaguntrader.com/index.php?a=2=709388
> > > I see them still in the crate covered with Cosmoline for sale by
> > importers on GunBroker.com in the same price range:
> > > https://www.gunbroker.com/item/740325257
> > > That would be cool, but it’s a Yugo.  I’m not terribly worried about fit
> > and finish, I just want one to shoot.
> > > -D
> >
> > > > On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:58 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Russian, Yugo and Chinese, in that order.  Have owned one of each; all
> > are
> > > > quite good but the European ones have superior fit and finish.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 7:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Starting to think about adding an SKS to my collection for fun.  I’ve
> > got
> > > >> to do some research as to which are the best - the Russian, Chinese,
> > Yugo
> > > >> or others?
> > > >>
> > > >> If any of our esteemed list members are familiar with the SKS and
> > might be
> > > >> able to provide input I would appreciate it.
> > > >>
> > > >> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - SKS - Which is the Best?

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Has anyone heard anything good or bad about AK47s made in Florida?

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/27/news/companies/kalashnikov-florida-factory/index.html

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-gun-factory-florida-20170319-story.html

As noted in the above link, the AK-47 factory has links to "Purple Shovel" in 
Tampa which probably has foreign markets for its guns, and might indicate that 
the guns are of acceptable quality.

http://www.purpleshovel.com/

https://steemit.com/weapons-smuggling/@v4vapid/purple-shovel-exposed-in-illegal-weapons-smuggling-operation

It's claimed that AK47s are not very accurate, but I wonder since they are 
supposedly the most popular gun worldwide.

Comment?

Gerry

 


Dan Penoff wrote:
> Is this a good deal?
> https://floridaguntrader.com/index.php?a=2=709388
> I see them still in the crate covered with Cosmoline for sale by importers on 
> GunBroker.com in the same price range:
> https://www.gunbroker.com/item/740325257
> That would be cool, but it’s a Yugo.  I’m not terribly worried about fit and 
> finish, I just want one to shoot.
> -D
 
> > On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:58 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Russian, Yugo and Chinese, in that order.  Have owned one of each; all are
> > quite good but the European ones have superior fit and finish.
> > 
> > On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 7:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Starting to think about adding an SKS to my collection for fun.  I’ve got
> >> to do some research as to which are the best - the Russian, Chinese, Yugo
> >> or others?
> >> 
> >> If any of our esteemed list members are familiar with the SKS and might be
> >> able to provide input I would appreciate it.
> >> 
> >> -D

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Re: [MBZ] Best rust and corrosion solvent

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> Gerry asks:
> 
> >‎BTW, do you know the name of that really >good anti-rust paint I've read 
> >about on >this list?
> 
> This stuff?
> 
> ‎http://www.hirschauto.com/Miracle-Paint-Rust-Killer/products/3/
> 
> Rick
...
POR-15 is what I was trying to remember, but I'll keep this in mind for future 
reference.
Thanks,
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Best rust and corrosion solvent

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 archer75 wrote:
> > BTW, do you know the name of that really good anti-rust paint I've read 
> > about on this list? I want to paint the tin roof on the storage shed since 
> > it's getting a little rusty.
. 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00H2VVRCU/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8=new
> 
> CTI charges $6 shipping on under $50 orders. 
> Buy three cans for $57 with free shipping if you can eventually use that many.

> If it's going on a tin roof in Florida, you might want silver instead of 
> satin black. 
> Not all vendors carry all colors, but if you buy direct you can have any 
> color. 

> https://www.por15.com/POR-15_4_Quart_Special

Mitch

That's what I was trying to remember.
Thanks, Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Best rust and corrosion solvent

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> > archer75--- wrote:

> > BTW, do you know the name of that really good anti-rust paint
> > I've read about on this list? I want to paint the tin roof on
> > the storage shed since it's getting a little rusty.
> 
> Not rust-proofing, but Coroseal is what I've been using to convert
> the rust to paintable primer.
> 
> http://www.corroseal.com/
> https://www.amazon.com/Corroseal-82331-Water-Based-Converter-Gallon/dp/B00RYRJGXO/
> 
> Good stuff.

> fmiser

That's interesting since it uses tannic acid to convert rust to iron tannate. 
IIRC the old method used phosphoric acid to convert rust, but that didn't hold 
up very well in my experience.
Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Best rust and corrosion solvent

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Curley McLain wrote:
> Mopar rust penetrant from the F.L.  Dodge Stealer
> $8/can  good stuff

Thanks Curley.
Gerry

> > archer75--- via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > January 26, 2018 at 2:30 PM
> > Hey Dan,
> > What is the name of that solvent you use that works so well?
> > I've tried WD-40, Aerokroil, PB Blaster, Tal 5, Rust Eater, and Deoxit 
> > on a brake hose connected to a brake line, and none work. Don't like 
> > to use a torch unless absolutely necessary.
> > Thanks,
> > Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Best rust and corrosion solvent

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This one isn't rusty, it's just stuck. Stuff rusts in Florida, what with the 
high humidity in the long summers, but since we don't salt the roads, metal 
doesn't rust like it does in the far north.

BTW, do you know the name of that really good anti-rust paint I've read about 
on this list? I want to paint the tin roof on the storage shed since it's 
getting a little rusty.

> Heck Gerry you're in Florida. 
> I thought that stuff didn't rust in Florida
> Rick
> Who will not buy many more rust belt cars‎
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Re: [MBZ] Best rust and corrosion solvent

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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 22:22:15 +
Fred Moir via Mercedes  wrote:

> Gerry.
> Hoses are cheap.
> I usually release the clip or retainer, freeing the hose, and unscrew the 
> hose from the line.
> After that the line end can be heated to release the nut from the tubing 
> itself.
> YMMV.
> Fred.
.
Thanks Fred. I'll keep that in mind if I have to heat it.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Best rust and corrosion solvent

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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 14:47:34 -0600
Randy Bennell via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 26/01/2018 2:30 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > Hey Dan,
> > What is the name of that solvent you use that works so well?
> > I've tried WD-40, Aerokroil, PB Blaster, Tal 5, Rust Eater, and Deoxit on a 
> > brake hose connected to a brake line, and none work. Don't like to use a 
> > torch unless absolutely necessary.
> > Thanks,
> > Gerry
> >
> Some folks claim that a mixture of ATF and Acetone is the best. I have 
> had a difficult time keeping them well mixed.
> Not much point in making up much of it either as the Acetone will 
> evaporate out of it.
> 
> RB

I tried that on some very rusty parts with no luck, but since these brake parts 
are not rusty, it might work better. Still have a small bottle with the mixture 
in it, but since the acetone might be exaporated, I'll mix up a fresh batch and 
try it.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Best rust and corrosion solvent

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That might be the best thing to do. I was going to save the hose in case the 
new one got cross-threaded, and because the old one was still in pretty good 
shape, but I vaguely recall someone having a similar problem years ago.
Thanks,
Gerry

> If you are going to heat it, then cut the hose off first. Your are not 
> going to re-use it anyway, I assume.
> I had one blow off and am happy it did not hit me or spray me with hot 
> brake fluid.
> 
> RB
> 
> 
> On 26/01/2018 2:30 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > Hey Dan,
> > What is the name of that solvent you use that works so well?
> > I've tried WD-40, Aerokroil, PB Blaster, Tal 5, Rust Eater, and Deoxit on a 
> > brake hose connected to a brake line, and none work. Don't like to use a 
> > torch unless absolutely necessary.
> > Thanks,
> > Gerry
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[MBZ] Best rust and corrosion solvent

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Hey Dan,
What is the name of that solvent you use that works so well?
I've tried WD-40, Aerokroil, PB Blaster, Tal 5, Rust Eater, and Deoxit on a 
brake hose connected to a brake line, and none work. Don't like to use a torch 
unless absolutely necessary.
Thanks,
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] OT: DIY Shed framing kit for $42.00

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Commercial roof trusses are notorious for collapsing when you put heavy items 
in the attic, so I followed RBs suggestion and glued and nailed all the 
vulnerable joints with roofing ply fishplates. I put about 500 to a 1000 lbs of 
heavy stuff in the middle of the attic and measured the floor to ceiling 
height. About a month later the ceiling had only sagged one eigth inch.
Gerry 

On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 13:03:14 -0600
tyee165 via Mercedes  wrote:

> I hope you realize the "kit" is just the metal plates for joining the 2x4 
> pieces.You could do just as well with some scrap pieces of plywood nailed 
> onto the sides of the 2x4s. Use some construction adhesive for good measure. 
> It will likely be worthwhile to buy a chopsaw if you don't already have one.RB
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>  Original message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  Date: 2018-01-24  12:37 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
> Discussion List  Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> , Rick Knoble  Subject: Re: 
> [MBZ] OT: DIY Shed framing kit for $42.00 
> Bingo!  You win the prize.
> 
> Actually, I was hoping someone had constructed a shed using the kit and
> could share his first hand experience.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Handy Andy inquires:
> >
> > >‎Anyone have any good reasons for not >getting it?
> >
> > Because you're not handy?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: DIY Shed framing kit for $42.00

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> On 24/01/2018 10:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > I want this in the worst way.  Anyone have any good reasons for not getting
> > it?

> > https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_572_572?utm_source=Email_medium=012418_Solo_WeatherStation_campaign=eDeals_content=P6_lm=6265993=DC_MEM_CODE==_rid=AAX5yJ_mid=_BaaJFqB9kTqw8R
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Apparently all you are getting is a handful of base and angle plates and a set 
of plans. 
You can buy the plates pretty cheap at Lowes or Home Depot, and there may be 
free plans that you like better here:

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera=garden+shed+plans+using+base+and+angle+plates=opera=UTF-8=UTF-8

If you like to do carpentry this would be a good project.

The picture of the kit shows what appears to be a concrete slab for a floor.
In some areas that can be expensive.
My preference would be a treated plywood floor sitting on spaced blocks since 
that tends to keep crawling insects out, but a concrete floor would provide 
easier access for heavy equipment on wheels. I would use nothing but treated 
wood for several reasons.
Good luck,
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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

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> > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On this 240d the linkage that comes from the pedal has 2 prongs that stick
> >> into the linkage on the engine and should have 2 plastic busing things in
> >> the holes. On this car the plastic parts are mostly missing so the pedal
> >> had to go about half way down before it starts moving the linkage. I can’t
> >> find these plastic pieces anywhere in the epc. Can anybody else find them?

I solved what I think is the same problem on my '83 240D with short pieces of 
hose pushed onto the prongs and/or into the holes. If you like, I can check 
tomorrow to see how well the pieces of hose have held up. 
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] RPF Minnie sooo ta

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G Mann wrote:
> Apparently, this record freeze has been caused by the purchase of to many
> carbon credits.
> We need a federal program to buy back carbon credits so the warehoused
> cold, caused by sucking up all those carbon credits, can be released and
> warming can occur.

Gerry wrote:
Yep, that's undoubtedly the cause. Strange things happen when the weather gets 
this cold.
For example, years ago during a similar very cold winter, I bought a CB radio 
from a Canadian who had just arrived from Quebec. I plugged it into my 
cigarette lighter jack but it wouldn't work. The Canadian said that it would 
work but needed a few hours to get acclimated to the Florida climate.
 
That sounded like nonsense to me, but it was a good brand of CB radio and the 
poor guy was sweating with the temperature in the 30s, so I figured he really 
needed money and buying his CB would be the neighborly thing to do.

I took it home, plugged it in, and went to bed.
The middle of the night I started dreaming that I was in a French cafe where  
everyone was speaking French and I couldn't even order an aperitif.
 
Finally I woke up and realized that it was the CB. Even the CB talk in Quebec 
had frozen up and was just now thawing out.

Gerry 
 
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 11:18 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> > It is RPF!
> >
> > It's been cold in Minnesota... So cold, in fact, that the state has once
> > again borrowed a Norwegian Icebreaker to clear the Mississippi River.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Curt needs a new snowmobile hauler

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Come to think of it, I have heard Floridians called Flaw-idions, but usually we 
old Floridians are just called Geezers. We like that since it sets us apart and 
commands respect due to our ability at sports; shuffleboard, golf, and other 
less strenuous games. We do have a powerful organization call "Geezer 
Advancement Society" (GAS) which looks out for our interests. If a business 
place descriminates against us Geezers, a large group of us can go in there and 
do our thing, and I gaurantee we will empty the place.
Gerry

Curley McLain via Mercedes  wrote:

> it is Fla Duh.   Em FA sis on the last syllable, and drow out the last 
> syllable when referring to people.
> 
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > January 17, 2018 at 12:51 PM
> > "New Englanders don't seem to have any pet names."
> > Wha? I live in the land of Massholes. Mainers (the proper term) are 
> > often referred to as "Maniacs" which we consider derogatory from you 
> > flatlanders.
> > Do Floridians have a pet name? The state does, its God's Waiting Room 
> > after all but I've never heard of one for the people...
> >
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Curt needs a new snowmobile hauler

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> You think there is enough room in that cab for Angie to sit on Curt's knee?
> 
> RB
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Curt can sit on the bike; he's tough. Maine people are immune to cold wind.

BTW, what do you call someone from Maine? Wisconsinites are cheeseheads, people 
from Ohio are Buckeyes, Hoosiers live in Indiana; but New Englanders don't seem 
to have any pet names.
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Re: [MBZ] High mileage 300TD

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Look at the mileage. She drives everywhere she goes. Obviously she just got in 
from Florida.
Gerry

G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> It was only 18 below, in Maine, WHAT? no beach hat, two piece bikini, and a
> sun tan?
> 
> In Maine, in winter, "hawt" is measured in actual body heat, I think ;))
> 
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 4:40 PM, MG via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> > Of course she wasn't. It's the middle of winter and in Maine yet even.
> >
> > MG
> >
> >
> > Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> I saw a dark blue 300TD w123 in a parking lot at Eldredge lumber in York,
> >> Maine. 442,000 miles on the odometer. Dark blue with some poorly repaired
> >> rust spots but overall very handsome. The peculiar thing was that a
> >> surfboard was strapped to the roof. It was in the teens today! Oh and a
> >> young woman was driving it. No you pervs, she was not hot!
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Lightest engine

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Let me know when you plan to drive that thing down University Ave. in 
Gainesville; especially if you put the original decals from Amazon on it.
Gerry
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera=38T+Hetzer+reproduction=opera=UTF-8=UTF-8

MG wrote:

> Probably. At 15-16 feet long and 8.5' wide even in plywood with a 
> tube frame I figure it will be somewhere around 2000lb or maybe 
> even a bit more. The heavy part will be the tracks, wheels and 
> suspension. This will be full size.
> 
> MG
> 
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> >> On January 14, 2018 at 2:14 PM MG via Mercedes  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Jagdpanzer 38T Hetzer reproduction with tube frame and plywood 
> >> body. Using a hydraulic drive system.
> > 
> > Do you even need 50hp?
> > https://orlando.craigslist.org/grd/d/toro-groundsmaster-223d/6451255765.html
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Re: [MBZ] Who Has A W123...

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What do you want; the fuse block, the 123, or what? My 300D or 240D haven't had 
any fuses updated. I have a spare fuse block for the 240D.
Gerry

On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:02:23 -0500
Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:

> …that hasn’t had the ACC blower fuse updated to an external strip fuse?
> 
> Let me know.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: 49 Battery

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> > > Bob wrote:
> > >  IS an AGM battery worth it?? 
> > 
> > I don't know.  Lots of people say good things about them.  But if
> > it is twice the price, I should get twice the life.  I'm not sure
> > it adds up.
> 
> Ever have a car rust out near the battery tray?
> That adds up in a hurry, and it's what a sealed battery is supposed to 
> prevent. 
> Mitch.
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All of my recent group 49 batteries have vent tubes. I've never had a problem 
with rusted trays. The AGM batteries have vent tubes too.
About 2 months ago I bought an AGM from Advance Auto which was made in Korea 
and cost about $180. I didn't bother with the discount since I was in a hurry.
We'll see how it holds up. 

By coincidence there is a battery discussion going on at PTS (Prius Technical 
Stuff). Here is one members experience with AGM batteries:

"I bought a battery from the Toyota dealership 2 years ago for almost $300
> . It died and I am told it is a 12 month 12,000 mile battery."

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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

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Didn't the Luscombe have a habit of collapsing the landing gear if you landed a 
little too hard, or am I thinking of another plane of that era.?
Gerry
~
OK Don wrote:

> Because the Luscombe 8E is mildly aerobatic!  Actually, you have "low and
> slow" for fun scenic touring (Luscombe, Breezy), enjoying the evening,
> etc., there is "high and fast" (Tailwind W10) for getting somewhere in a
> hurry or racing, and there is the abililty to haul a load (Cessna 182).
> Just like cars, no one aircraft fits all missions.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> > I don’t have the time, resources or space to do something that major.
> > Also, as stated previously, I’m a purist. It does nothing for me to repower
> > a vintage car.  I’ll leave that to the hotrodders.
> >
> > Ask Lt. Don why one of his airplane buddies would want to fly a Luscombe.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Jan 9, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just save the original so it could be put back in and find a bigger,
> > better motor! Not suggesting a SBC, but just a 3 liter diesel. Even
> > normally aspirated, it would have to be an improvement.
> > >
> > > RB
> > >
> > >> On 09/01/2018 11:41 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> I would not.  If it wasn’t installed at the factory (with the exception
> > of the AC, of course), it doesn’t belong.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > >>> On Jan 9, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> So, are you a purist in the sense that you would not consider swapping
> > in a later motor?
> > >>>
> > >>> RB
> > >>>
> >  On 09/01/2018 11:30 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >  Absolutely.  However, I’m more into the looks than the performance.
> > And it has AC!
> > 
> >  -D
> > 
> > >> On Jan 9, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 09/01/2018 7:25 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> This is the one I want, but I think the price is still a bit
> > optimistic:
> > >>
> > >> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/1968-mercedes-200d-
> > diesel/6452342666.html
> > >>
> > >> I’m tempted to go look at it this week.  I’m thinking $2500-$2800,
> > maybe, depending on where the rust is, or not.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > > Isn't a 2 liter diesel going to be pretty anemic even with a manual
> > transmission?
> > >
> > > RB
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

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Here's what Wiki say about AGM's FWIW:

"AGM & Gel VRLA batteries:
Have shorter recharge time than flooded lead-acid.
Cannot tolerate overcharging: overcharging leads to premature failure.
Have shorter useful life, compared to properly maintained wet-cell battery.
Discharge significantly less hydrogen gas.
AGM batteries are by nature, safer for the environment, and safer to use.
Can be used or positioned in any orientation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRLA_battery#Applications

Gerry
~~~


"Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> That’s backward from what I have always heard. I thought they were more 
> durable. 
 
> > I use an AGM in my Prius, but I would never use one in my diesel cars since 
> > the AGMs are more easily damaged. For example, if you leave something on 
> > and run the AGM down, you can't charge at more than 4 amps without 
> > shortening its life.
> > Also, I vaguely recall someone on the Prius website complaining that the 
> > AGM in his Prius only lasted 3 years. YMMV. Hopefully someone on he group 
> > has had experience with AGMs in diesels.
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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

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Rdeafboy wrote:
> I have a 1983 240d .  I can get a Bosch 49 for $173 at PoorBoys locally or 
> AcDelco 49 AGM from Rock Auto del'd for $182 ...Anybody use AGM type battery 
> ?? 

I use an AGM in my Prius, but I would never use one in my diesel cars since the 
AGMs are more easily damaged. For example, if you leave something on and run 
the AGM down, you can't charge at more than 4 amps without shortening its life.
Also, I vaguely recall someone on the Prius website complaining that the AGM in 
his Prius only lasted 3 years. YMMV. Hopefully someone on he group has had 
experience with AGMs in diesels.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Amazon

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I always check Abebooks.com first unless the book is on a bestseller list, and 
nearly always get the best prices there. For example, Hillbilly Elegy is $9.00 
and up on Abebooks today:

https://www.abebooks.com/9780062300546/Hillbilly-Elegy-Memoir-Family-Culture-0062300547/plp

Gerry
~~~
Dwight Giles wrote:
> Try ABEBOOKS.com  for used. I buy there a lot.
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Jan 7, 2018 4:20 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> > I looked at buying a book a coupla weeks ago, trying to see if Amazon had
> > used copies as I have bought used books really cheap in the past.  It did
> > not appear they had used ones so I did not buy a new one as I thought they
> > were a bit pricey.
> >
> > So yesterday I get an email from Amazon
> >
> >  Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis
> > J. D. Vance
> >
> > List Price: $27.99
> > Price: $15.10
> > You Save: $12.89(46%)
> >
> > and I think that is still a bit pricey.  Today I get an email
> >
> >  > 4FAMCM=urn:rtn:msg:20180107193257548035484ada4592b385aab20
> > 640p0na=LDPMU5HE0B3X=C=https%3A%2F%2Fsmile.amazon.
> > com%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2F0062300555%2Fref%3Dpe_2313360_267738940_em_1p_0_im&
> > H=A7S5XVADXRQE1MVGJKZVCNNNDGMA_=pe_2313360_267738940_em_1p_0_im>
> >
> > Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis
> > J. D. Vance
> >
> > List Price: $16.99
> > Price: $11.55
> > You Save: $5.44(32%)
> >
> > which is for the paperback version
> >
> > And now I see used (I presume) hardcover copies but they are
> > $13.95
> >
> > + $3.99 shipping + $0.00 estimated tax
> >
> >  which is more than the new one from Prime with free shipping.
> >
> > I wonder what tomorrow's offer will be?  I might end up getting that
> > paperback but maybe I'll wait and see.
> >
> > BTW this is supposed to be an excellent book, I heard interviews with the
> > author and read reviews when it came out.  He grew up not too far from
> > where my family is all from, so I have some familiarity with the concepts.
> > And of course the basic white trash mentality is pervasive though he
> > managed to escape it but not without some serious challenges.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

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On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:18:57 -0600
"M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"  wrote:

Dan Penoff wrote:
> > We have a local trapper that comes in with his dogs and traps them for
> > free. He’s given me lots of pork in return.  Yum.
> > He has a couple of dogs that he uses to trap the boars, it’s really pretty
> > cool.  One is a hound (bay) that finds them, the other a (catch) mastiff
> > sort of dog (I don’t know what he breed is) that catches the boars by the
> > throat and holds them until he can get there, snare them and put them in a
> > cage.  Both of the dogs wear these big heavy leather collars with spikes on
> > them.
 
> I'm minded of that old joke.  "If I fall out of the tree, shoot the damn
> dog!"
> -MMM-
~~
Around here in West Central Florida a wild hog can rip a dog or a person to 
pieces with its sharp tusks. The trained "boar dogs" will grab a hog by it's 
ears so it can't gore them with its tusks, and another will grab its throat or 
hold it while the hunter shoots it.
Wild hogs are not like domestic pigs. They are built more like dogs and can run 
like dogs; very dangerous. Your only escape from a wild hog that's chasing you 
is to go up a tree or the bed of a pickup truck if you're not armed.
Since boar meat around here can taste "gamey", most of it is ground into 
sausage. It's some of the best sausage I've ever eaten.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Holy Falling Frozen Florida lizards!

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clay wrote:
> I am sort of interested in the impact on all the out of town snakes that got 
> let loose in the state.  Will this cold snap just slow them down, or will it 
> be able to knock out a pretty healthy proportion of them?
> Iguana is tasty.  Get it into the freezer until you have a goodly amount, 
> then you can make chili, or taco filling.  Cuban sandwich?
~~

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[MBZ] Front brake calipers

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Listers:
I'm replacing the front calipers on my '83 240D.
However, Autozones catalog shows 12 kinds/makes of front calipers: steel 
piston, phenolic piston; one piston, 2 pistons; and prices ranging from $31 to 
$107.

https://www.autozone.com/brakes-and-traction-control/brake-caliper-front

Information and suggestions on these different types are appreciated.
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Re: [MBZ] 13 degree failed diesel starts

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What happened to his Indy? All he needs to do is get him to test it, and if 
it's bad, put in a new one. If he can make an appointment to get it done, he 
won't need to leave it and get a ride home and then back the next day. Putting 
in a new one can be a messy and difficult job in icy weather; even for a DIYer.
Gerry

> > On January 1, 2018 at 10:57 PM tyee165 via Mercedes  
> > wrote:
> > But with only a cheap ohmmeter, you would know vey quickly if the cord was 
> > good and if the element was open or shorted.
> 
> Or, as suggested earlier, put your hand on the engine before attempting to 
> start it. Popping the hood once and giving the engine a feel is less work 
> than continuing to plug it in nightly if it's not doing anything. 
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Re: [MBZ] 2018

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On Mon, 1 Jan 2018 06:56:11 +
Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:

> I was in the garage working. 
> That is my NY resolution.  
> Get more sh, uh stuff done. 
> 
> Happy New Year! 
> 
> Time to relax, have a nice cold
> St. Pauley Girl NA, and go to bed.
> 
> Rick
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What's not to like about the St. Pauli Girl? She's blonde, big bosomed, and 
brings us big frothy mugs of beer! But what most people don't realize is that 
she's not exactly just a waitress. Yep, St. Pauli is the famous red light 
district of Hamburg, Germany.

St.Pauli Girl is probably the only beer on earth that was named after a 
prostitute. 

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Re: [MBZ] foooot ball season

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Sounded German. "A little Dutch (Deutch?) girl in Sheboygan...", etc.
Gerry
~~~
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:59:36 -0600
Curley McLain via Mercedes  wrote:

> nope, that is Polish NoDak.
> 
> > Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> > December 30, 2017 at 9:58 PM
> > Watched Lawrence Welk re-run tonight. "And a one and a two..." in that 
> > thick Midwestern accent.
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Re: [MBZ] TOO MUCH RED

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On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:27:39 -0600
Curley McLain via Mercedes  wrote:

> I have never seen a complete bond movie, but i had an uncanny ability to 
> pick the next bond.  When Obi Wan was getting long in the tooth I 
> thought  ROGER MOORE, and then they picked him.  I liked the Saint!   
> Then when ol Roger was getting long in the tooth, I though Pierce 
> Brosnan would make a good Bond.  Sure enough they picked him.
> 
> I did read Thunderball cover to cover. in Jr high.
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We saw the first and maybe the second Bond movie. The one I remember had him 
driving a (Triumph?) around that had some sort of auger that came out and 
ruptured an evildoers tire. He complained about the many mechanical problems 
the car had which seemed strange in a movie.

Does anyone read the current daily newspaper comics? A couple of strips about 
kids takes me back since they are so typical of some of the grade school kids 
of 80 years ago when I went to grade school. Batman and Superman were the movie 
heros of that era, as well as a number of actors in the many Western movies. A 
kid could go to movies for a dime on Saturday matinee; 15 cents any other time.
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting you diesel

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> In Florida there's no such thing as a big hill, so you hitch up a 2,000lb 
> boat trailer and do a few 0-70 runs. 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting you diesel

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Max Dillon wrote:
> Gerry,
> Time for a Liqui-Moly diesel purge treatment?

G: I'll try that. I've also heard that a tank, or partial tank, of refined 
cooking oil will clean out diesel engines?
 
> A good start would be getting the injectors tested, and if they are good then 
> rebuild the delivery valves with fresh copper seals.  Inspect the delivery 
> valves, they do wear at the seat where the plunger seals.  If that seat looks 
> rough, you can try polishing with jewellers rouge or just get a new delivery 
> valve.

G: It's been a long time since I've done anything to the 300D engine, so I'll 
check out all those possibilities if the Liqui-Molly doesn't help. 
I've also heard that a tank of biodiesel will clean the carbon out of a diesel 
engine?
 
> A proper Italian tuneup is performed at high engine speed with high load.
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300

Yep, I was wrong about that. Thanks.

Gerry
> 
> On December 30, 2017 7:17:21 AM EST, archer75--- via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >My '83 300D (same drivetrain as yours), which also doesn't get driven
> >much, does the same thing. It sort of "hammers" and shakes the engine
> >at idle in any kind of weather. There are new engine mounts. Been
> >meaning to ask the group about that but always forgot to do so. I
> >vaguely recall that carbon buildup is supposed to be the cause and the
> >cure is to lug the engine up a long grade with the engine temp topping
> >out. I do know that either that engine or the '83 240D engine run
> >better after an 80 mph trip to Orlando and back.
> >Gerry
> >
> >Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> Different start problem scenario:  I started my 82 SD (617 turbo)
> >this a.m. for its annual trip to NC vehicle inspection station  Temps
> >were low teens overnight and probably mid 20s when I started it. 
> >Battery minder (usually on) was disconnected before start attempt. 
> >Engine had not run in weeks and probably only drove 50 miles in last
> >year.  I haven't been driving the car because I need to replace the
> >flex disks (procrastinate, procrastinate).
> >> The old engine started instantly but.. the whole car shook hard at
> >idle although it smoothed out with just the slightest acceleration. 
> >After driving about 10 miles the engine idle was almost normal (just
> >slight diesel shake).
> >> Why did it shake so bad at cold idle?   Any theories?  Too cold? 
> >Hard engine mounts? Could the engine dampers be frozen?  Maybe a wonky
> >injector that wouldn't seal, spray, or meter right at idle?  The shake
> >was more violent than my earlier experience with bad glow plug(s).
> >> Any thoughts?
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting you diesel

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On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 13:26:38 -0600
fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> > archer75--- wrote:
> 
> > My '83 300D (same drivetrain as yours), which also doesn't get
> > driven much, does the same thing. It sort of "hammers" and
> > shakes the engine at idle in any kind of weather. 
> 
> > I vaguely recall that carbon buildup isq supposed to be the
> > cause and the cure is to lug the engine up a long grade with the
> > engine temp topping out. 
> 
> Not lug!  Lugging is high load, low RPM.  That is not good for any
> engine.  What you want to clean out the engine is high cylinder
> temperatures.  So high load, high rpm, full fuel.  There are a
> couple hills around here that are big enough and long enough and I
> try to "treat" the engine every time I climb them.  The turbos
> need a bigger hill to do it well.
> 
> Just high RPM isn't enough, so running the engine against the
> governor in a low gear isn't effective.  It is the heat caused by
> max power and high RPM that clears junk out.
> 
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Well, guess I'll have to wait until a trip to Georgia or beyond since we don't 
have any hills to speak of here in Florida.
The only way I can think of to do what you suggest would be to pull a heavy 
loaded trailer at high speed on Floridas flat roads.
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting you diesel

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Thanks. I'll check those possibilities and put in a new shock absorber.
Gerry
~
Curley McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Transmission mount?
> Engine mount shock absorber(s)?
> Glow plugs?
> Air leaks?
> Uneven compression?
> Uneven valve adjustment?
> Unbalanced injector nozzles?
> IP problem?
> 
> I put a new engine shock on the 81 240D (it only has one) and that 
> smoothed out the idle A BUNCH!
> 
> 
> > archer75--- via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > December 30, 2017 at 6:17 AM
> > My '83 300D (same drivetrain as yours), which also doesn't get driven 
> > much, does the same thing. It sort of "hammers" and shakes the engine 
> > at idle in any kind of weather. There are new engine mounts. Been 
> > meaning to ask the group about that but always forgot to do so. I 
> > vaguely recall that carbon buildup is supposed to be the cause and the 
> > cure is to lug the engine up a long grade with the engine temp topping 
> > out. I do know that either that engine or the '83 240D engine run 
> > better after an 80 mph trip to Orlando and back.
> > Gerry
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting you diesel

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My '83 300D (same drivetrain as yours), which also doesn't get driven much, 
does the same thing. It sort of "hammers" and shakes the engine at idle in any 
kind of weather. There are new engine mounts. Been meaning to ask the group 
about that but always forgot to do so. I vaguely recall that carbon buildup is 
supposed to be the cause and the cure is to lug the engine up a long grade with 
the engine temp topping out. I do know that either that engine or the '83 240D 
engine run better after an 80 mph trip to Orlando and back.
Gerry

Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  wrote:
> Different start problem scenario:  I started my 82 SD (617 turbo) this a.m. 
> for its annual trip to NC vehicle inspection station  Temps were low teens 
> overnight and probably mid 20s when I started it.  Battery minder (usually 
> on) was disconnected before start attempt.  Engine had not run in weeks and 
> probably only drove 50 miles in last year.  I haven't been driving the car 
> because I need to replace the flex disks (procrastinate, procrastinate).
> The old engine started instantly but.. the whole car shook hard at idle 
> although it smoothed out with just the slightest acceleration.  After driving 
> about 10 miles the engine idle was almost normal (just slight diesel shake).
> Why did it shake so bad at cold idle?   Any theories?  Too cold?  Hard engine 
> mounts? Could the engine dampers be frozen?  Maybe a wonky injector that 
> wouldn't seal, spray, or meter right at idle?  The shake was more violent 
> than my earlier experience with bad glow plug(s).
> Any thoughts?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting you diesel

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Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> Tis the season for difficult starting, so I put this together yesterday:
> http://www.jaimekop.com/2017/12/cold-starting-your-mercedes-diesel-facts-and-fiction/
> Enjoy,
> Jaime Kopchinski
> http://www.jaimekop.com/
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Very good!
I didn't know MB starters/batteries were built for such long cranking.

One more question: How much fuel should the engine be given during a long 
cranking session? I've found that just a little more fuel than the idle amount 
seemed to work best using any procedure. Comment?
Gerry 

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Secret message for Randy

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Results

Briefly: Being over 70, the complication rate for your GF's mom would roughly 
be 7.6% which is very low. Surprisingly the complication rate for someone less 
than 70 years would roughly be twice as much (15.1%). 

Among 574 patients with a permanent pacemaker, 259 patients (45.1%) were below 
and 315 patients (54.9%) were above or at 70 years of age. There were 240 
(92.7%) and 19 (7.3%) dual-chamber pacemaker (DDD) and single-chamber pacemaker 
(VVI) implanted patients in the younger group, and 291 (76.8%) and 73 (23.2%) 
DDD and VVI pacemaker implanted patients in the elderly group, respectively. 
The complication rate was 39 (15.1%) out of 259 young patients and 24 (7.6%) 
out of 315 elderly patients. Postprocedural complications were statistically 
lower in the elderly patients than in younger patients (P = 0.005).

Conclusion

A pacemaker implantation performed by an experienced operator is a safe 
procedure for patients of advanced age. The patients who are above 70 years old 
may have less complication rates than the younger patients.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743522/
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The Brits go into more detail, but the overall percentage is probably about the 
same:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pacemaker-implantation/risks/

~~~
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 10:38:24 -0500
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  wrote:

> My gf's mom (70+) is getting a pacemaker installed today. SHe is in
> otherwise good health.  How risky is this procedure?  Anyone on the list
> BTDT?
> 
> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > On December 28, 2017 10:47:13 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:00:16 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> In one case, a doc declined to even take the time to look up a
> > >medicine
> > >> that SWMBO knew of from living in Italy, so she borrowed the drug
> > >> reference book from the nurses station, looked it up herself, and
> > >then
> > >> went back to the Doc and showed him what she wanted.  He relented but
> > >> was mighty upset that his patient knew more than he and stood up to
> > >> him, needless to say we switched docs after that episode.
> > >
> > >Good thing to do! Did you tell others?
> > >
> > >
> > Yes, about both.  Ever since then my wife has kept one or two pharmacists
> > in her circle so she can learn of other medicines that might be less
> > expensive or more appropriate, but more importantly which drugs to stay
> > away from.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Randy

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It's certainly worked well around here most years, and it seems to be working 
well this year since no one in my extended family has had a cold other than my 
son who lives in Orlando, as well as the people I see in public. Orlando is 
where I caught a severe cold last year which almost turned in to pneumonia. I 
think the reason people seem to have more severe colds in Orlando is because 
it's an international city with people flying in from all over the world 
continuously.
They might be bringing new variants of flu viruses in that are not included in 
the American and European flu shots.
There are several factors at play in any kind of infection. A dominant factor 
is the condition of a persons immune system.
When the flu shot doesn't prevent a cold; it can be the antibodies your immune 
system makes in reaction to the flu shot that prevents colds. If a persons 
immune system is not as strong as it should be, the flu shot can be ineffective.
Gerry
~~~
Curley McLain wrote:
> the flu going around this year was not anticipated by the vaccine 
> people.  So, even if you believe, they won't do you much good.  Flu 
> shots are unfortunately not much good except for the vaccine industry 
> and the shooters who get paid.
> 
> > archer75--- via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > December 27, 2017 at 5:34 PM
> > On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 08:57:30 -0600
> >
> > Does anyone take flu/cold shots up there?
> > Gerry
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Christmas presents

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tyee165 wrote:
> What did Santa bring y'all?
~~
2 books on geezers: "There was an old geezer named Caesar", and "The complete 
geezer guidebook".
Geezer Definition: An old man, particularly one who is either cranky or 
eccentric.

Also got warm pajamas, ultra deluxe flavored popcorn and nuts, red 
handkerchiefs, and a middle finger extension so that if you give somebody the 
finger they won't miss it.

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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Randy

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tyee165 via Mercedes  wrote:

> Not me unfortunately I caught a cold and as a result am dragging my a** so 
> not much happening hereMinus 28 c in Winterpeg this morning
> RB

Does anyone take flu/cold shots up there?
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Truck for sale

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fmiser wrote:
> > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/302579536655?ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:MOTORS:1123
> > Nice truck!
> 
> Thank you, Philip.
> 
> > 40,000 lb tandems is a bonus and allows for over-weight hauling.
> > 13 speed transmission is an odd mate for the tandems, though...
> fmiser

> help me sell it (for a fee, of course). The one call came last Thursday
> from a guy in Montana. He did seem interested, but said he needed to run
> it past his sons who were coming for Christmas. I haven't heard from him
> since.
Craig
~~~
My trucking neighbor got in the trucking business by buying a truck from a 
truck line and then leasing it to that truckline. I wonder if any trucklines 
would be interested in buying your truck or knowing someone who wants to buy a 
truck and lease it to them?

IIRC a big truck engine has a narrow rpm range, so it seems that a transmission 
with even more speeds would allow more economical runs, especially through the 
mountains with heavy loads??? Do they make transmissions with more than 13 
speeds nowadays?

Wildwood truck stop has a lot of ads posted for used trucks and trailers. Truck 
stops might be another place to advertise. There were also publications that 
list trucks as well as other equipment where you could run an ad.
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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

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Since this is probably an interstate crime, why don't you ask one of the G-men 
at work what you should do? If they are interested in the case they might want 
you to do something specific. By contacting them you have witnesses as to what 
your involvement and intentions are I would think.
Gerry
~~
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> > OK, folks, I’ve got a classic mail fraud/bank scam going and I want to know 
> > how you think I should proceed.  No guarantees, but I’ll be looking forward 
> > to some creative responses.  Here’s the setup:
> > 
> > I have a Casio electronic piano for sale on Craigslist for $449.00.
> > 
> > I got an email from a potential buyer named “Emma”.  Emma wanted to buy my 
> > piano for her fiancé, but she’s not going to be in town until the end of 
> > the month.  She said she would send me a check for the piano and some 
> > additional money to give to the movers who would come and collect it for 
> > her.
> > 
> > I gave her my street address and name.
> > 
> > Today a cashier’s check drawn on Comerica Bank for $1600.00 showed up in a 
> > Priority mail Express envelope.
> > 
> > I called Comerica to verify the authenticity of the check.  It’s bogus.  
> > The check was drawn on a Comerica branch in San Jose, CA and dated for the 
> > 20th.
> > 
> > The Priority Express envelope was mailed from Mesa, AZ.
> > 
> > I have not contacted “Emma” about the check yet, however, if I go silent I 
> > suspect she’s going to reach out to me.  My first thought it to take this 
> > to the USPS and let them deal with it, as Postal Inspectors can always use 
> > something to do. Then again, as this is the classic “I’ll give you extra 
> > money you can give to someone else” ploy I wonder if I should string her 
> > along somehow…
> > 
> > ?
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

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I tried to turn left from a city street and the steering shaft "unscrewed". 
Here I was going down a city street with no steering, or so I first thought. If 
I held down with considerable force on the steering wheel, the car would turn 
right but only turning left enough to keep driving straight ahead while pushing 
down hard on the steering wheel. I managed to get back to the shop by making 
nothing but right turns and installed a steering gear and column from a 
junkyard. That '56 station wagon was my last Chevy.
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Curley McLain wrote:
> I had a rear subframe bolt break on my original SDL.  I was close to 
> home.  I heard it break (Impossible not to hear and feel)   I pulled 
> over and saw parts down, but not dragging, so I drove it out to  dead 
> Dougie (who was not dead then) and paid him to fix it while I saddled up 
> and left town with another steed.   I would not want to drive an SDL 
> with a broken subframe bolt far or fast.
> 
> > Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> > December 20, 2017 at 1:02 PM
> > Different beast altogether, but we had an 86 Taurus that suffered 
> > rusting of the front subframe mounts. Actually the washers around the 
> > bolts on the bottom rusted through which permitted the rear of the 
> > subframe to drop down some. My wife was driving it home from work at 
> > lunchtime when one broke. She heard it and wondered what it was but 
> > the car seemed ok so she did not worry about it. On the way home in 
> > the evening, the 2nd one broke and then the car did  not steer quite 
> > right so she mentioned it to me when I got home.
> > It did not come undone, thankfully, but it partly pulled the steering 
> > linkage apart.
> > I went to the dealer looking for parts and was advised that it was a 
> > common issue and there was an upgrade kit with heavier galvanized 
> > washers.
> > Would have been nice if Ford had let us know it was something to be 
> > concerned about before it happened.
> > Fortunately my wife was close to home and on a slow residential street 
> > when it happened. It might have been much more exciting if she had 
> > been on a highway at speed and hit a bump or something that triggered 
> > the rusted parts to give way.
> >
> > RB
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[MBZ] Cell Phones can be dangerous

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"(25 March 2017, Mexico) Standing on a truck on an airport runway, our 
Double-Darwin Award Winners Nitzia and Clarissa chose a regrettable location 
for a cell phone selfie. Ms. Corral, 18, and Ms. Miranda, 17, were attending 
horse races that were held on a track adjacent to the runway. According to the 
Diario de Chíhuahua, the noise of the races and the desire for a new profile 
picture distracted the young women. They did not hear the motor of the 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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There are components that are more expensive than batteries which could send a 
Prius to the junkyard. The batteries are rebuildable since they are composed of 
many separate cells that can be replaced for roughly $45 each and then 
carefully balanced. The usual life expectancy of the cars is probably 250,000 
up, but I'm just guessing. One of the best information sources is 
Priuschat.com, and there are also useful sites in Canada and other foreign 
countries.
I don't remember what kind of batteries the version ones had, but the version 
two's like mine had nicads, the same type rechargeable batteries that you can 
buy at the drugstore. Some or all later versions have NiMH I think. 
These are finicky little cars with a lot of gotchas. Put the wrong fluid in 
something under the hood and you've just made a several thousand dollar mistake.
Gerry


> The battery packs are probably the reason they're in the PnP.
> Jaime
> 
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:43 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Checking PnP yards and the Priii are showing up in numbers.  Mostly the
> > original series.  I am trying to figure out if the battery packs could be
> > used to make an electric SLC.
> >
> > clay
> >
> > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > 1986 SDL - Polei
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> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:12 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Except for the "dry type" batteries like the Prius uses, I've never had
> > a battery that covers couldn't be pried off of that exposed the cells and
> > allowed the use of a hydrometer and the addition of water; and I've never
> > had one that the covers couldn't be pushed or tapped back on.
> > > I can understand why stores don't want their clerks dealing with
> > sulfuric acid solution, and would rather replace batteries than open them,
> > but for DIYers, I think a hydrometer could save a lot of time and trouble.
> > > The last battery I bought had no visible electrolyte in one cell when I
> > checked it after driving home. I took it back and told the manager.
> > > He refused to even look at the cell and said if the battery goes bad,
> > he'll replace it.
> > > I guessed that the factory had put in the acid but not the water since
> > the battery likely wouldn't have started the car if they had added the
> > water but not the acid, so I went home and filled the cell with distilled
> > water. It's been a few years and the battery is still working well.
> > > Gerry
> > >
> > >
> > > ~~~
> > >> Gerry writes:
> > >>
> > >>> I don't understand why seemingly no one uses a sp.gr. hydrometer
> > anymore.
> > >>
> > >> Two words.
> > >> Sealed.
> > >> Batteries.
> > >> I have a turkey baster style
> > >> specific gravity hydrometer I haven't used in years
> > >>
> > >> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Scraping... (Dan Penoff)

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Wow! Did it get to your house? fingers crossed.
Gerry

> I agree with Rick - meaning no emergency evacuations because a 270,000 acre 
> wildfire is right across the street from your home - like I had to do 
> yesterday. 
> Definitely wasn’t boring!
> Addison
> 
> On Dec 17, 2017, at 13:16, Dan wrote:
> 
> Put a new O ring on the oil dipstick on the E320 wagon.  Did the same on the 
> SL500, as it was leaking a little and not fitting tightly in the tube.  Had a 
> 250,000 km high mileage badge from one of the previous cars I owned.  Put it 
> on the wagon, since it’s got 173k.  Gotta fill out the form and have the 
> dealer verify it for the wagon so I can get another.
> Still bored.  Taking oldest son to range to shoot pistols for lack of 
> anything else to do.  Nice day for it, going to be close to 80F.
> -D
> 
> And Rick wrote From: Rick Knoble 
> 
> Dan sez:
> 
> > ‎Still bored. Taking oldest son to range to >shoot pistols for lack of 
> > anything else to >do.
> 
> Count your blessings...
> I have said for at least the last 20 years "Boring is good". 
> 
> Meaning, no emergency visits to the hospital, no caring for sick kids, no 
> fixing crashed cars, no arguing with SWMBO, no doctor visits, no lawyer 
> visits, no undertaker visits, no chaos, no drama...
> 
> Rick
> Who leads a boring life
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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Except for the "dry type" batteries like the Prius uses, I've never had a 
battery that covers couldn't be pried off of that exposed the cells and allowed 
the use of a hydrometer and the addition of water; and I've never had one that 
the covers couldn't be pushed or tapped back on. 
I can understand why stores don't want their clerks dealing with sulfuric acid 
solution, and would rather replace batteries than open them, but for DIYers, I 
think a hydrometer could save a lot of time and trouble.
The last battery I bought had no visible electrolyte in one cell when I checked 
it after driving home. I took it back and told the manager. 
He refused to even look at the cell and said if the battery goes bad, he'll 
replace it. 
I guessed that the factory had put in the acid but not the water since the 
battery likely wouldn't have started the car if they had added the water but 
not the acid, so I went home and filled the cell with distilled water. It's 
been a few years and the battery is still working well.
Gerry 


~~~
> Gerry writes:
> 
> >I don't understand why seemingly no one uses a sp.gr. hydrometer anymore.
> 
> Two words.
> Sealed. 
> Batteries.
> I have a turkey baster style
> specific gravity hydrometer I haven't used in years
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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Curley McLain wrote:
> You may still have a problem with the starter,  cable, terminal, or 
> battery.  it should crank full speed for a minute at a time
> 
> > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> > December 16, 2017 at 1:31 PM
> > Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs 
> > and found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and 
> > BAM, it fired right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in 
> > a little 240d

I don't understand why seemingly no one uses a sp.gr. hydrometer anymore.
It has solved so many problems for me, I wouldn't be without it.
The plastic type are okay when they are new, but I still prefer the all glass 
and rubber models such as this $11 model:
https://www.amazon.com/OTC-4619-Professional-Battery-Hydrometer/dp/B0050SFVHO/ref=sr_1_3/143-1233966-9772214?ie=UTF8=1513473626=8-3=battery+hydrometer

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Re: [MBZ] For you plush velour lovers - Like New 1989 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight!

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No thanks. I remember too many bad things about this power train.
Gerry
~~~
On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 11:08:59 -0800
G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> I would bid but I'm late already for my procrastination group meeting.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 5:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > This car is nearly perfect, especially for a car built during the
> > “throwaway era” of American automobiles. This is a prime example of what I
> > would consider Malaise era, and I have a strong desire to purchase it.
> >
> > Throw away that malaise and bid now!
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 12/14/17 9:24 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:00:53 -0600 Michael Esh via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Sorry about long link. I have not taken the time to learn about making
> >>> them short. If I did not have my 85 300D I would make an effort to get
> >>> this.  Isn’t the 3800 a pretty damn good engine?
> >>>
> >> Well, that's what the article at
> >>
> >> https://barnfinds.com/like-new-1989-oldsmobile-eighty-eight/
> >>
> >> said.
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >> https://m.ebay.com/itm/1989-Oldsmobile-Eighty-Eight-Royale-
> >>> Low-21k-Miles-Barn-Yard-Grandma-Special/202142160625?
> >>> rmvSB=true_ref=http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-
> >>> 53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2=5574971043=10001&
> >>> campid=5338111740=172334_item=202142160625&
> >>> ipn=psmain_vectorid=229466=902099=824&
> >>> kw=lg=711-53200-19255-0_id=1392970750007&_
> >>> mwBanner=1_noapp=true
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[MBZ] OT: Flight tracks

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I saw your flight path/map. You did a pretty good job of staying on course if 
that's your actual course displayed.
After I joined, though, all I saw was your flight around the Guthrie,OK area. 
Also, it says my acct is too new to access pictures.
Gerry


~~~ 
> > OK Don via Mercedes 
> > December 14, 2017 at 8:45 PM
> > Did anyone else see my flight track pix? I thought it would get at least
> > one comment . . .
> >
> >
> >
> > OK Don via Mercedes 
> > December 11, 2017 at 5:42 PM
> > Remember that image of the Boeing jet's flight path that outlined a 
> > 737 (or
> > something) that was posted a few weeks ago?
> >
> > Well, now that I have an ADS-B transponder installed, my every move is
> > recorded if it's on, so:
> > http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N6336B
> >
> > ( you have to have a free account and log on to see my airplane)
> >
> >
> > [image: Inline image 1]
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:37:37 +
Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:

> Gerry sez:
> 
> >‎Now on my way to install the master >cylinder which just arrived.
> 
> Good God. I hope to be as spry as you when I'm your age.
> 
> Rick
> Not feeling spry today
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

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Randy Bennell wrote:
> Why would the Prius not run on the big battery?

Gerry wrote:
I'm still learning the various systems catch as catch can, so I may be wrong on 
some systems:
The little battery, 12v, runs nearly everything but the electric A/C. It is 
charged by a large liquid cooled inverter (they call it a converter) that drops 
about 200v from the big battery down to 14v which charges the little 12v 
battery. Since the little battery runs the computers, the spark 
plugs,everything needed to run the ICE which charges the big battery, brake 
boost, steering assist, and various other things needed to actually drive the 
car; you can't turn the car off and then start it again if the little battery 
is dead or won't take enough of a charge from another cars battery via cables 
to start the car. 

 I would have thought you 
> could run around on the electric system and get the motor started up 
> while moving if the start battery gave up. I don't expect you mean you 
> went to FLAPS for the big battery to be replaced.

G: I thought the same thing when I was thinking about buying the car, but all 
you can do if the ICE quits is maybe limp at a very low speed to the next exit 
or until the big battery is drained which doesn't take long. 
I don't think the little battery will ever shut off the car such as in the 
middle of traffic while the converter is feeding voltage since the converter 
and the little battery are in parallel. As long as the car is "on" you could 
theoretically completely remove the little battery and the car should run 
indefinitely as long as you didn't shut it off, but I don't know if that would 
be possible. The car wasn't designed with any provision for switching from the 
ICE to battery. One reason is that the big battery is entirely different from 
the batteries that power the all electric cars.
P.S. New big batteries come from the dealers, but you can buy rebuilts for a 
little more than half price. New big batteries can last ten years or longer. 
Mine is ten years old and shows no sign of failing.   
> 
> Secondly, how did you know the master cylinder had gone out?

G: The pedal went half way down to the floor, there was no leaking brake fluid 
that I could see, and the reservoir was still full. Could I be wrong about 
that? Yep, sure could, but the MC is pretty old and probably wouldn't last much 
longer anyway, and I'd need expert help from the listers here to figure out 
what caused it other than the MC.

 On my 115 
> 300D, it went out a couple of years ago. I was at a stop light and the 
> car moved forward a bit. I thought I must not have had my foot on the 
> break pedal hard enough but then the light changed and off I went. At 
> the next light, I stepped on the pedal and the car slowed but not like 
> it should have. I initially thought I must have blown a hose and there 
> would be leaking fluid at one of the wheels but that proved not to be 
> the case. Seals in the master had started to leak and let fluid by. I 
> messed about getting a kit to repair it but gave up and ordered a new 
> one (or rebuilt - cannot recall for certain). No problems since.
> RB

G: AFAIK All cars nowadays have two circuits; one stops the front wheels and 
the other stops the back wheels. When one fails the pedal will go half way down 
and the car won't stop as well. I've forgotten how the master cylinder is 
designed to do that since I've just replaced the whole master cylinders for 
years.
Gerry
 
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> > Thanks, Rick. I'll keep that in mind. Could have used it a couple weeks ago 
> > when the Prius battery died, and then when I headed to the store to buy 
> > groceries, the brake master cylinder went out on the 240D. Managed to limp 
> > home but was without a car until I got the Prius started with a lawnmower 
> > battery and made it down to FLAPS for a new battery.
> > Now on my way to install the master cylinder which just arrived.
> > Gerry
> > 
> > On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:28:18 +
> > Rick Knoble via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Gerry a‎sks:
> >>
> >>> ‎Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?
> >> Yes. It's called "Prime Pantry" and they fill a giant box with your 
> >> "stuff". BTW, it's peak season for shippers. I try not to order anything 
> >> online for delivery between Thanksgiving and New Years day.
> >>
> >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/pantry/info/ref=pntry_wayfind_about
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

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Thanks, Rick. I'll keep that in mind. Could have used it a couple weeks ago 
when the Prius battery died, and then when I headed to the store to buy 
groceries, the brake master cylinder went out on the 240D. Managed to limp home 
but was without a car until I got the Prius started with a lawnmower battery 
and made it down to FLAPS for a new battery.
Now on my way to install the master cylinder which just arrived.
Gerry

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:28:18 +
Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:

> Gerry a‎sks:
> 
> >‎Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?
> 
> Yes. It's called "Prime Pantry" and they fill a giant box with your "stuff". 
> BTW, it's peak season for shippers. I try not to order anything online for 
> delivery between Thanksgiving and New Years day.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

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 archer wrote:
> > I clicked on the 30 day Prime trial. At the end of the 30 days Amazon 
> > billed my credit card $100 for Prime without my permission. 
> 
> I would have assumed they'd charge you 10.99/month, unless you specified $100 
> per year. 
> When you take the trial, you need to cancel before the trial end date. 
> When you cancel, it'll say what day your trial ends, you still have the full 
> 30 days free.
> But you can only do one trial a year. 
> 
> If they charge you, you can cancel and get a refund, probably full refund if 
> you haven't used any Prime services since the charge.
> Mitch 

Thanks. I cancelled and the refund will be a credit to my acct.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

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Thanks. I'll have to start reading the fine print.
Gerry 
~
Dan Penoff wrote:
> Gerry,
> I would respectfully disagree.
> 
> When you signed up for Prime, there is a very clearly stated disclaimer that 
> says if you don’t cancel at the end of the 30 day period, you give them 
> permission to charge your credit card. Also:
> 
> Membership Cancellation
> You may cancel your Prime membership any time by visiting Your Account and 
> adjusting your membership settings. If you cancel within 3 business days of 
> signing up for or converting from a free trial to a paid membership, we will 
> refund your full membership fee; provided that we may charge you (or withhold 
> from your refund) the value of Prime benefits used by you and your account 
> during this 3-business day period. If you cancel at any other time, we will 
> refund your full membership fee only if you and your account did not make any 
> eligible purchases or take advantage of Prime benefits since your latest 
> Prime membership charge. Prime memberships redeemed through a Prime gift code 
> or promotional code are not refundable.
> 
>  <>
> This also says that if you don’t use the Prime membership and you decide to 
> cancel, you can do so at any time and receive a refund.
> 
> Gotta read the fine print, buddy.  They aren’t out to scam people.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Dec 13, 2017, at 10:46 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
> > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I clicked on the 30 day Prime trial. At the end of the 30 days Amazon 
> > billed my credit card $100 for Prime without my permission. I don't go to 
> > the trouble of trying to get my money back from these sorts of racketeers, 
> > so I'm thinking of just ordering the heaviest possible items I normally buy 
> > at stores; probably foodstuffs, canned good, oil, etc.
> > Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?
> > Thanks,
> > Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My '91 300D

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No calcium supplements? 
Gerry

"CONCLUSION:
Hypocalcaemia occurs frequently after TKA (total knee arthroplasty), however, 
clinical symptoms associated with hypocalcaemia are rare. The calcium ion is an 
important electrolyte, neurotransmitter and blood coagulation factor. It is 
suggested that we should routinely monitor calcium ion levels during the 
perioperative period and deal with hypocalcaemia in a timely fashion.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26977030

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Larry Turner wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> I take 2000 iu of Vit D3 -  and my bones check out very healthy.  I am 
> seeing a mix of docs - 1st 2 surgeons, who did the 1st 3 knee 
> replacements, worked for a private office and the last (supposedly the 
> best when working on "problem" knee replacements) works for the VCU 
> Medical School (Va Commonwealth Univ).
> 
> All of my surgeons have checked out at the top of their field and the 
> prosthetic they used is supposed to be the best. (the "Cadillac of Knee 
> Prosthetics") they said.
> 
> They tell me I have torsional movement when walking which is causes 
> damage to the Prosthetic joints.    If this joint ever fails, the option 
> that sounded the best would be to replace my hip then put a rod between 
> the hip and knee to prevent any torsional movement). "Best" being 
> relative.    Not my favorite topic.
> 
>      But hopefully this will Last last one..  ;-) (I wrote this 
> response when I was almost falling asleep so my proof reading may be a 
> bit off)
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> On 12/11/2017 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > My sympathies, Larry.  You are what they call in the trade "idiopathic".
> >
> > id·i·o·path·ic
> > [ˌidēəˈpaTHik]
> > ADJECTIVE
> > medicine
> >
> > 1. medicine
> >     relating to or denoting any disease or condition that arises
> > spontaneously or for which the cause is unknown.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 10:57 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That's rough, Larry! BTW how much calcium and vitamin D are you taking?
> >> Have you had tests for osteoporosis? Are you going to private
> >> physicians/hospitals or medical school connected physicians/hospitals?
> >> Gerry
> >> ~~
> >> Larry Turner via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> They said I am allergic to the bone cement they use which caused the 1st
> >>> two to loosen and break, #3 was a temp spacer used while we did the
> >>> allergy tests and #4 lasted a little over 3 years.  #5 is in now.  After
> >>> two weeks they did x-rays which showed the upper stem of the prosthesis
> >>> had moved upward into my femur.  We stopped PT to give the bone time to
> >>> stabilize around the stem which it did after 6 weeks, then I started PT
> >>> with a vengeance (as much a was safe).  I am now walking with a walker.
> >>> Hopefully I will walk with a cane someday...
> >>> Everyday is an adventure!
> >>> LarryT
> >>> On 12/10/2017 5:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >>>> How is that possible?  One knee X3?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes
> >>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  Correct. It's where the rear suspension attaches to the body. The
> >>>>  shop said they could separate the body from the suspension using a
> >>>>  pry bar - it was completely detached on the passenger side.
> >>>>
> >>>>  Max gave me some great suggestions for getting it out of my
> >>>>  driveway.   Not sure what I'll be doing yet.  I've had 3 complete
> >>>>  knee replacements and am recovering from the 4th which wasn't
> >>>>  going well at first but seems to be healing OK now.   So parting
> >>>>  it out will make things difficult although it would keep me active
> >> ;-)
> >>>>  Larry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  On 12/7/2017 10:53 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  My guess is the body of the car where something (LCA?)
> >>>>  attaches.  No reason
> >>>>  to junk a car just because a replaceable part is rusty.
> >>>>
&g

Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

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I clicked on the 30 day Prime trial. At the end of the 30 days Amazon billed my 
credit card $100 for Prime without my permission. I don't go to the trouble of 
trying to get my money back from these sorts of racketeers, so I'm thinking of 
just ordering the heaviest possible items I normally buy at stores; probably 
foodstuffs, canned good, oil, etc.
Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?
Thanks,
Gerry
~~
Dan Penoff wrote:
> This is exactly the same kind of garbage they would pull with me before I got 
> a Prime membership.  As I said previously, I did this a couple of times and 
> suddenly the orders after that would ship promptly.
> Jerks.
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I just canceled an item ordered through Amazon, and bought a similar item 
> > from an eBay seller to replace it. 
> > 
> > Bought it Wednesday the 6th, for delivery between the 12th and the 15th. 
> > Canceled it the evening of the 12th, Amazon still hadn't shipped it.
> > 
> > Emailed the seller and told them I canceled it because Amazon never shipped 
> > it, suggested they might want to ask Amazon why Amazon wasn't fulfilling 
> > their "Fulfilled by Amazon" orders. 
> > 
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D

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That's rough, Larry! BTW how much calcium and vitamin D are you taking?
Have you had tests for osteoporosis? Are you going to private 
physicians/hospitals or medical school connected physicians/hospitals?
Gerry
~~
Larry Turner via Mercedes  wrote:
> They said I am allergic to the bone cement they use which caused the 1st 
> two to loosen and break, #3 was a temp spacer used while we did the 
> allergy tests and #4 lasted a little over 3 years.  #5 is in now.  After 
> two weeks they did x-rays which showed the upper stem of the prosthesis 
> had moved upward into my femur.  We stopped PT to give the bone time to 
> stabilize around the stem which it did after 6 weeks, then I started PT 
> with a vengeance (as much a was safe).  I am now walking with a walker.  
> Hopefully I will walk with a cane someday...
> Everyday is an adventure!
> LarryT
> On 12/10/2017 5:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > How is that possible?  One knee X3?
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
> > > wrote:
> >
> > Correct. It's where the rear suspension attaches to the body. The
> > shop said they could separate the body from the suspension using a
> > pry bar - it was completely detached on the passenger side.
> >
> > Max gave me some great suggestions for getting it out of my
> > driveway.   Not sure what I'll be doing yet.  I've had 3 complete
> > knee replacements and am recovering from the 4th which wasn't
> > going well at first but seems to be healing OK now.   So parting
> > it out will make things difficult although it would keep me active ;-)
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/7/2017 10:53 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> > My guess is the body of the car where something (LCA?)
> > attaches.  No reason
> > to junk a car just because a replaceable part is rusty.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Email threading

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In case anyone on the list didn't know, Verizon bought Yahoo, or parts of 
Yahoo, earlier this year; and for the past month or so Yahoogroups has been a 
mess, and still is. 
I'm wondering if those who are having problems on this list are using any 
products of Verizon or Yahoo, or just have them on their cellphones or 
computers?
Gerry
~~~
> Strangely I got my last post doubled...
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Re: [MBZ] paint repair question

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 16:24:14 -0500 (EST)
Mitch Haley via Mercedes  wrote:

> 
> > On December 4, 2017 at 12:36 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Start out light then move up to more aggressive products as necessary.
> > 
> > Try your bug and tar remover first, then polish, then rubbing compound if 
> > necessary.
> 
> I was thinking bug and tar remover, then lacquer thinner, then 
> polishing/rubbing compounds. 
> 
> Mitch.
~~
IIRC someone on  this list years ago had the same or similar problem.
He used the rough side of one of those kitchen sponges which is sort of like 
steel wool but is made of plastic. He kept it very wet and tried to rub it only 
on the paint to be removed. I seem to remember that he used rubbing compound 
afterward, waxed it, and it turned out well. YMMV.
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Re: [MBZ] no Ingles

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> > I took my concealed weapon permit class today, which is a requirement 
> > in Florida to obtain a concealed carry license. In the class of five 
> > people there was a person of foreign origin who did not have a clear 
> > command of the English language.  As a result of this they had a 
> > family member present to translate for them.
> > 
> > They passed the test, both written and practical (firearm handling/firing).
> > 
> > Because they did not have a command of English and it was clearly not 
> > their first language, should they have been allowed to participate, 
> > and ultimately obtain their concealed carry license?
> > 
> > Discuss, please.
> > 
> > -D

My guess would be that he was Puerto Rican. Since Puerto Ricans can come and go 
to the U.S. and move here if they so desire IIRC, they may be subject to the 
same rights and requirements as U.S. citizens. Puerto Rico is a territory of 
the U.S., isn't it?

Gerry
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[MBZ] Raw Milk. was: Heart peoblems

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FWIW: Drinking raw milk or eating products made from raw milk, is a calculated 
risk. Dairies are kept much cleaner now than when milk borne illnesses were 
endemic before pasteurization, so the risk may be less nowadays. 
Salmonella, E.Coli, and Listeria are not nice bacteria.
https://www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/Consumers/ucm079516.htm
~~~
Curt Raymond wrote:
> We can get raw milk from the dairy in New Hampshire. They also have bottled 
> whole milk at the grocery store. I like getting it because its slightly 
> cheaper than organic milk with better taste.Organic milk tastes better than 
> regular milk and the farm stuff in the glass bottles tastes even better.
> I drink less of the better milk so its an even better value.
> -Curt
>  
>  Max wrote:
> > ...enjoyed raw
> > milk from childhood.  Store-bought milk tastes like water to me, very thin,
> > but I still prefer that over soy or almond "milk".  I suspect that most
> > people would gag if offered raw milk from a cow, full of cream, with a very
> > different smell prior to homogenizing.
> 
> If only the state would allow raw milk - we would definitely be a
> customer.  15-years ago we enjoyed raw-milk cheddar delivered from
> North Farm COOP.
> 
> While living east of CSpgs '85-'90 we bought raw milk from Dale
> Henderson, an old bachelor multi-wealth based on land near the new
> military base out there.  He milked using a one leg stool and
> overnight in fridge it separated the best cream anywhere.  Yes, some
> aroma but real cream!
> 
> The other milk is goat milk.  While in coledg during a visit to my
> uncle near Buffalo, MN we rank fresh goat milk.  Return to coledg -
> yes, pasteurized homogenized milk was like water.
> 
> As far as the milk collection truck and gravel spray - kudos to yer
> dad taking responsibility against paint chips.  More responsibility is
> needed in all arenas of culture today.
> tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] Heart peoblems

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That's curious. I'm on a diet and I weighed 222 about 2 days ago
How about a little wager? (grin)
Gerry

> Eh, you’re in the same boat I’m in.  I dropped from high 230s/low 240s down 
> to about 222.  Getting that last 20 pounds off is a b*tch.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Nov 29, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I’m trying to get back under 200. Only about 25 more lbs to go.


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[MBZ] The Earth is Flat

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Was that you that cancelled this vital launch, Andrew?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/25/mad-mike-hughes-cancels-rocket-launch-prove-earth-flat/894762001/

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Re: [MBZ] 747

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Wilton once wrote that the landing gear on a BUFF could be turned so the plane 
could land partially sideways. I wonder if the 747 might have the same feature? 
Wilton might know.
Gerry

MG wrote:
> Hah! I got to go down the runway sideways on one during a 
> landing. That was fun!

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Re: [MBZ] 747

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I would be more of a C-47 guy. I was trying to get a handle on how much 
interior space it had. It would obviously be a two story, but how many bedrooms 
upstairs, how many rooms downstairs, etc?
There are so many millionaires/billionaires in this country, there are probably 
quite a few who would build one if they wanted to; maybe finish it out like one 
of the Arab potentates 747s.
Gerry

"Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> How about a former pan am clipper 727?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Nov 23, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > With the fuselage gutted, maybe you could use one of those heavy lift 
> > helicopters to fly it to the site?
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> > 
> >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:31 AM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Let me know when you are ready, I'll set you up with one.. moving costs
> >> will however clean your clock. Wings off, it's still to big to take down
> >> the road without special permits and routing.
> >> 
> >> Then again when you follow your dream, money has no object, does it..
> >> ;))
> >> 
> >> Friend of mine mounted the forward section, cockpit complete, of a DC 7 to
> >> the front of his private hanger... it gets a lot of attention...
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 11:47 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I wonder how a scrapped and gutted 747 body would be as a house; how many
> >>> rooms?
> >>> Several other airliners over the years have been converted into homes and
> >>> businesses.
> >>> Gerry
> >>> 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] 747

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I wonder how a scrapped and gutted 747 body would be as a house; how many rooms?
Several other airliners over the years have been converted into homes and 
businesses.
Gerry 

Dan Penoff wrote:
> I’ve flown on most, if not all, of the variants. -200, -300, -400.  As you 
> might expect, the -400s were the nicest.  Got to make the trip across the 
> Pond to the UK in the bunk room on the top deck one time because my business 
> class seat back broke.  Upper deck was full and I wasn’t about to go sit with 
> the common folk downstairs.  The cabin crew asked if I could sit in the crew 
> bunk room since it wasn’t occupied (trans-Atlantic flight, only one crew) and 
> they said, “Sure!”
> 
> That was nice.  Like having a private, albeit very small, suite.
> 
> They are big honking aircraft, that’s for sure.  You should stand on the 
> tarmac under one some time to get an idea of their incredible size.
> 
> -D
> 
>  
> > On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I have always wanted to fly on one but does not look like I will get to. I 
> > guess they are probably used by some of the overseas airlines.
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New/Old Home Purchase

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:39:42 -0600
Randy Bennell via Mercedes  wrote:

> On 21/11/2017 1:20 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> >> On November 21, 2017 at 10:45 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Rich, with a bathroom like that  how come you 1) drive decrepit old
> >> beaters, and 2) associate with such an unprestigious group as comprises
> >> this list?
> > Because he likes to spend his money on appreciating luxury items (nicer 
> > than necessary houses) instead of on depreciating luxury items (pretty much 
> > everything else)?
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
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> OR, maybe because his wife wanted that sort of bath?
> 
> RB (who has a double vanity with 2 sinks because his wife picked out the 
> vanity, one of which is never used but it only cost another few hundred 
> $$ for the tap set on that unused sink)
.
The 14 ft ceiling in the bath gives it away. We all know Rich is something of a 
joker. His bath has a 14 ft ceiling so that when someone is bending over after 
a bath, he sneaks in and gives him/her the Trump salute, and the victim goes 
straight up, he/she won't bang his/her head on the ceiling. There's no other 
reason for having a 14 ft ceiling in a bathroom.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New/Old Home Purchase

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homes,
> > >> beautiful
> > >>> stone, Viking appliances, cherry, walnut, exotic flooring, cabinets,
> > all
> > >>> kinds of stuff. Usually he or his guys would just take it and either
> > sell
> > >>> it or use it or give it away. He completely remodeled his son's house
> > >> using
> > >>> these recycled materials, said it was gorgeous when he finished with
> > >> it.  I
> > >>> kept after him to let me in on some of this but he never did. (Some
> > buddy
> > >>> huh?)
> > >>>
> > >>> --FT
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 11/18/17 3:35 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> All of ours came from the left-overs from larger jobs - I don;'t
> > >> remember
> > >>>> what the discount was, but it was nice. Peruse the scrap section of
> > your
> > >>>> local stone yard if interested. You'd be surprise at the size of some
> > of
> > >>>> the "scraps".
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 8:33 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You just have to be somewhat careful of putting stuff on it.  I really
> > >>>>> like the granite I put in (given what the piece on the island cost, I
> > >> had
> > >>>>> better like it. Don't ask.).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --FT
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 11/17/17 2:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Not practical unless you want to demonstrate the bell curve for the
> > >>>>>> distribution of shattered dish shards.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:16 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > >>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Wife selected (Corian?) when we built this house 22 years ago. It's
> > >> held
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> up better than Formica and essentially still looks like new. It
> > gives
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> impression of marble but seems to be impervious to stains and rough
> > >>>>>>> treatment.
> > >>>>>>> Granite is great for tombstones, but I can't see the practicality
> > of
> > >> it
> > >>>>>>> being used for countertops.
> > >>>>>>> Gerry
> > >>>>>>> ~~
> > >>>>>>> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The biggest advantage of granite is that it teaches you the precise
> > >>>>>>>> value
> > >>>>>>>> of infinity.  I dropped a plate on the counter and the shards went
> > >>>>>>>> everywhere.  I counted them up and it totaled exactly infinity.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > >>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I despise rock for a countertop.  Hard maple, or at least formica
> > >> for
> > >>>>>>>> me.
> > >>>>>>>> Formica is superior to rock in many ways.  cheaper, lighter,
> > trouble
> > >>>>>>>> free,
> > >>>>>>>> no maintenance, and a smoother surface to prevent bacteria growth.
> > >>>>>>>> Maple
> > >>>>>>>> has all that over rock, plus it is a natural antibacterial.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I am glad to see that the rock countertop craze is dying.  Gimme
> > a
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> shovel
> > >>>>>>>> to bury it.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> OK Don via Mercedes 

[MBZ] OT: Navy Derringdo

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Navy flyboy flings firmament phallus for flabbergasted folk

Highway to the donger zone

A US navy pilot in an F/A-18 GROWLER is facing stiff action – after crafting a 
novel flight pattern that left much of central Washington state staring up at 
an anatomy lesson.

The offending artist flew out of the Whidbey Island air station Thursday 
morning and deliberately painted the sky over the city of Okanogan with the ol' 
twig-n-berries.

Look, we'll stop beating about the bush: they drew a giant cock in the air. It 
isn't a bird, it isn't just a plane, it's a super dong, too.

Residents seemed to take the sky-scribble stroke of genius in their stride, 
with one mother telling the Spokesman-Review her 12-year-old son alerted her to 
the pilot's masterwork. "I thought it was pretty funny, and so did he. A lot of 
people have been talking about it," she said.

Unfortunately, the military's top brass, funnily enough, didn't care for the 
thrusting flight pattern, and are taking a rather hard stance. Officials argued 
that being able to control a multimillion-dollar war machine to trace out a 
giant mural of one's wedding tackle in the heavens isn't actually that amusing.

In a statement to The Register on Friday, a navy spokesperson said:

US Navy air crew, flying an F/A-18 Growler (Electronic Attack Aircraft) 
assigned to Electronic Attack Squadron (VAQ) 130 based at Naval Air Station 
Whidbey Island, Wash., flew an air pattern over Okanogan County, Wash., on 
Thursday, Nov. 16, that left a condensed air trail resembling an obscene image 
to observers on the ground.

The Officers and Sailors of the United States Navy are professionals, held to 
the highest standards, while serving our nation with pride around world. The 
actions of this aircrew were wholly unacceptable and antithetical to Navy core 
values. We have grounded the aircrew and are conducting a thorough 
investigation - and we will hold those responsible accountable for their 
actions. The Navy apologizes for this irresponsible and immature act.

The Navy apologizes to anyone who was offended by this unacceptable action.

An investigation into this flight will be conducted and if appropriate, the 
aviator(s) responsible will be held accountable.

Yeah, and if they pull off a stunt like this again, they'll be flying a cargo 
plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong – no, wait, that's Top Gun.

Far be it from us to tell the United States Navy how to go about its business, 
but there does seem to be a valid point to be made that this pilot may have 
been merely training for a career with NASA's extraterrestrial exploration team.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New/Old Home Purchase

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Wife selected (Corian?) when we built this house 22 years ago. It's held up 
better than Formica and essentially still looks like new. It gives the 
impression of marble but seems to be impervious to stains and rough treatment.
Granite is great for tombstones, but I can't see the practicality of it being 
used for countertops.
Gerry
~~
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> The biggest advantage of granite is that it teaches you the precise value
> of infinity.  I dropped a plate on the counter and the shards went
> everywhere.  I counted them up and it totaled exactly infinity.
> 
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > I despise rock for a countertop.  Hard maple, or at least formica for me.
> > Formica is superior to rock in many ways.  cheaper, lighter, trouble free,
> > no maintenance, and a smoother surface to prevent bacteria growth.  Maple
> > has all that over rock, plus it is a natural antibacterial.
> >
> > I am glad to see that the rock countertop craze is dying.  Gimme a shovel
> > to bury it.
> >
> >> OK Don via Mercedes 
> >> November 16, 2017 at 8:27 PM
> >> We think that our "blue pearl" granite is even more stunning than black -
> >> it's black with blue iridescent flakes.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] The cath is done

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> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > And, in case anyone wonders, dry needling is awesome and it works.
> >
> > Bob R
~
Hey Bob, 
Which hand do you use for the mouse?
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Re: [MBZ] The cath is done

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"Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Just got home from the hospital. The dr said I have nice clear arteries with 
> no blockage at all. The stress test was a false positive. At least we know 
> for sure now. The symptoms were most likely from the high blood pressure. She 
> did say it appears my heart is enlarged but it could have been the dye making 
> it appear that way. I have a sonogram or whatever it is week after next to 
> check that out. 
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Your clean bill-of-health is great news, Kaleb.
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Re: [MBZ] Heart cath

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"Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Fixing to head to the hospital for the heart cath. I will say that after 
> taking the beta blockers for about 4 or 5 days my blood pressure has been 
> back to normal and I have felt fine with symptoms at all. 

Best of luck, Kaleb. There are 2.7 MILLION! heart caths done each year in the 
U.S. and problems are rare. They are the most common procedures done in 
American hospitals. Statistically the biggest risk you will be taking is 
driving to and from the hospital. 
Just be sure and follow the doctors orders exactly after you go home as well as 
in the hospital. If you don't you can have serious problems.

Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Good for Greg (and others)

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The Prii around here are mostly driven by old people, and there is so little 
traffic compared to bigger counties, I haven't heard or read about any road 
rage incidents involving Prii, and I've never seen one exceeding the speed 
limit.
The only time I poke along is after midnight when there is virtually no traffic.
Gerry

> I have to agree with Curley.  Most of the Priii I see around my area are 
> blowing past me on the interstate.  In fact, I noticed one earlier this week 
> during my commute that came up on me almost instantly.  I expected it to be a 
> very different car based on the speed it was approaching at. I usually do 
> about 68 mph (speed limit is 65).  They were easily doing in excess of 80.
> 
> Made me scratch my head.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Nov 14, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> archer75--- via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> November 14, 2017 at 8:41 PM
> >> Why isn't the world famous Prius on that list?
> >> In my opinion Prius is one of the safest cars on the road for one 
> >> principal reason: We Prius drivers drive slowly and carefully. You'll 
> >> often see a dozen cars behind a Prius, fuming because they can't drive as 
> >> fast as they want. As soon as the road widens they go speeding by; shaking 
> >> their fists at us slow and careful Prius drivers. Almost inevitable, 
> >> you'll see two or more of those angry drivers involved in a crash on down 
> >> the road and it's their own fault. If they had driven slowly and carefully 
> >> like us Prius drivers they wouldn't have had an accident.
> >> Gerry...(waiting for the eruption.)
> >> ~~~
> >> 
> > Life is diff'runt in FL.Around here, the Pr go flying around on the 
> > interstates at 80 to 100.  I wonder how they think they are saving the 
> > planet by driving like fools.
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Re: [MBZ] 616 IP back bracket

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> > On November 14, 2017 at 9:56 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > Is there any majik tool that will put the bolt up there and turn it from 
> > below?

I've used both an open and closed end wrench. I washed both the bolt and the 
wrench with a strong solvent such as brake cleaner so there would be no oil or 
grease, cut a piece of masking or similar sticky tape to fit one side of the 
wrench, wrapping it down over the sides of the wrench if possible, then stuck 
the bolt head in the open side and stuck it firmly to the tape.
I hoped to get one thread caught, but if not, I would change the position of 
the bolt head in the wrench and try again.
Nowadays I'd buy a "rachet end wrench" (I think I saw them at Lowes) and try 
using them with the tape like above. I've had to grind end wrenches down pretty 
thin to get into some tight places when I was repairing hospital and lab 
equipment.

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Re: [MBZ] Good for Greg (and others)

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Why isn't the world famous Prius on that list?
In my opinion Prius is one of the safest cars on the road for one principal 
reason: We Prius drivers drive slowly and carefully. You'll often see a dozen 
cars behind a Prius, fuming because they can't drive as fast as they want. As 
soon as the road widens they go speeding by; shaking their fists at us slow and 
careful Prius drivers. Almost inevitable, you'll see  two or more of those 
angry drivers involved in a crash on down the road and it's their own fault. If 
they had driven slowly and carefully like us Prius drivers they wouldn't have 
had an accident. 
Gerry...(waiting for the eruption.)
~~~ 
> > Greg Fiorentino wrote:
> > This is some info using a more practical standard:
> >
> > https://www.statisticbrain.com/driver-fatality-stats-by-auto-make/
> >
> > It still makes the ML look very good by comparison to some other 
> > vehicles. The "E" class is in the same ballpark.
> >
> > They beat the worst cars by a factor of about 10!
> >
> > That's a better feature IMO than good fuel economy.
> >
> > Greg
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Re: [MBZ] Where You Workin’?

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> On 12/11/2017 12:09 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > And are any of you physically able to be working outdoors on your front 
> > porch like I can?
> > Bob R
~~
I "could" work on my front porch, Bob, but I'd have to drive over a lot of 
shrubbery to do it. I'd prefer to work in nearly every DIY mechanics dream; a 
heated / air conditioned personal shop. 
When I retired I had a contractor build the shell of such a shop about 100 ft 
behind the house, I finished it out myself as a passive solar building, and its 
been great for the past 20+ years. Before retirement I worked for years on my 
carport, which wasn't bad, but having a place inside is a big advantage. 

My only regret is that I didn't build it bigger since about a third of the shop 
is a tiny apartment with toilet, shower, frig, microwave, bed and work benches 
for small stuff; electronics, computers, and such.

My wish is that you, and everyone on the list who wants one, has that sort of 
shop eventually.
Gerry

It's pretty common for husbands to have a lot more spats with their wives after
retirement since they're together full time, and I was no different.
When the marital atmosphere turned chilly; maybe I got a spot of grease on her 
precious 240D; I would "live" in the shop for a day or two, and after that she 
would be sweet again.


 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: security cameras

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OK Don wrote:
> "Where's the beef?" - no photos with these.
> I did find NetCam Studio, iSpy, and ContaCam software for recording from
> the cameras - all free. Now, whether the cheap cameras on Amazon will work
> with these is another question . . .

I didn't get photos either.
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[MBZ] Merz Team Held up and Robbed

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Re: [MBZ] OT: I wanted to make one of these when the '84 turbos came out...

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Caddy has always meant Cadillac AFAIK.
Gerry

On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 21:08:55 -0500
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  wrote:

> In all my (impressive) years I have NEVER come across this term as applied
> to ANY car.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 2:58 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Andrew sez:
> >
> > >‎Why is it called a "caddy"?
> >
> > Because it is used to caddy things about.
> > Think golf "caddy".
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap car out Craig’s way

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"Posting deleted by author."
Gerry

On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 10:05:01 -0500
Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  wrote:

> That is exactly like the girl child's car
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 11/10/17 1:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Thu, 9 Nov 2017 19:30:25 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Seems awful cheap for as nice as it appears to be.
> >>
> >> 1995 Mercedes E320 for sale
> >>
> >> https://santafe.craigslist.org/cto/d/1995-mercedes-e320-for-sale/6370887872.html
> > It looks interesting.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

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OK Don wrote:
> Sorry to hear about the "troubles". To quote somebody:
> "Old age is not for the faint of heart." - Welcome to my world . . .
> 
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> 
> > So I only ended up with 1 prescription. It’s metoprolol tartrate, whatever
> > that is. Also 81mg aspirin once a day.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 7, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yup, you'll be on a beta blocker and something like Lisinopril ---
> > reduces blood pressure, helps circulation by blocking angiotension and
> > dilating arteries a bit.  Same stuff I'm on, standard treatment.
> > >
> > > If you've been on statins, likely you an expect some blockage.  Good
> > news is that you will feel MUCH better if they put some stents in.
> > >
> > > Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

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> Kaleb sez:
> 
> >‎I should just ignore it and it will go away.
~~
The thing to do if you are concerned about having the cath is to get a second 
opinion. Most insurance companies will pay for a second opinion since they are 
far cheaper than a surgical procedure.

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

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Fred Moir asked:
> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Why Trump, of course. (grin)
Gerry
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of G Mann via 
> Mercedes 
> Sent: 06 November 2017 20:21
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: G Mann
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs
> 
> How about we fire the whole bunch, make it so none of them can hold office
> or be elected again, and start with a whole new bunch of citizens. Give
> them each a copy of the state or federal constitution and the order they
> had to stay within it's limits or be fired on the spot?
> 
> Just as a starting point... absolute term limits of two terms, for a life
> limit. ie, serve, go back to work. Voters retain the absolute right to
> terminate any elected official.
> Too harsh?
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Re: [MBZ] Eye bleach required

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Did anyone notice that the builder is a "HOTROD ENGINEER"? I wonder where he 
got his degree? Berkeley? 
Gerry
~~

"M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"  wrote:

> Dammit, I just ate.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> > Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MERCEDES-CUSTOM-HOTROD-RATROD-MODI
> >> FIED-GOTHIC-ONE-OFF-HEADTURNING-SHOW-CAR-/112598181020
> >>
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[MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

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 Paradise Papers leak reveals secrets of the world elite's hidden wealth

Files from offshore law firm show financial dealings of the Queen, big 
multinationals and members of Donald Trump’s cabinet

What are the Paradise Papers? – video

The world’s biggest businesses, heads of state and global figures in politics, 
entertainment and sport who have sheltered their wealth in secretive tax havens 
are being revealed this week in a major new investigation into Britain’s 
offshore empires.

The details come from a leak of 13.4m files that expose the global environments 
in which tax abuses can thrive – and the complex and seemingly artificial ways 
the wealthiest corporations can legally protect their wealth.

The material, which has come from two offshore service providers and the 
company registries of 19 tax havens, was obtained by the German newspaper 
Süddeutsche Zeitung and shared by the International Consortium of Investigative 
Journalists with partners including the Guardian, the BBC and the New York 
Times.

The project has been called the Paradise Papers. It reveals:



Millions of pounds from the Queen’s private estate has been invested in a 
Cayman Islands fund – and some of her money went to a retailer accused of 
exploiting poor families and vulnerable people.
 
EXTENSIVE OFFSHORE DEALINGS BY DONALD TRUMP'S CABINET MEMBERS, ADVISERS AND 

DONORS, INCLUDING SUBSTANTIAL PAYMENTS FROM A FIRM CO-OWNED BY VLADIMIR PUTIN'S

SON-IN-LAW TO THE SHIPPING GROUP OF THE US COMMERCE SECRETARY,WILBUR ROSS. 

A previously unknown $450m offshore trust that has sheltered the wealth of 
Lord Ashcroft.
Aggressive tax avoidance by multinational corporations, including Nike and 
Apple.
How some of the biggest names in the film and TV industries protect their 
wealth with an array of offshore schemes.
The billions in tax refunds by the Isle of Man and Malta to the owners of 
private jets and luxury yachts.
The secret loan and alliance used by the London-listed multinational 
Glencore in its efforts to secure lucrative mining rights in the Democratic 
Republic of the Congo.
The complex offshore webs used by two Russian billionaires to buy stakes in 
Arsenal and Everton football clubs.

The disclosures will put pressure on world leaders, including Trump and the 
British prime minister, Theresa May, who have both pledged to curb aggressive 
tax avoidance schemes.

The publication of this investigation, for which more than 380 journalists have 
spent a year combing through data that stretches back 70 years, comes at a time 
of growing global income inequality.

Meanwhile, multinational companies are shifting a growing share of profits 
offshore – €600bn in the last year alone – the leading economist Gabriel Zucman 
will reveal in a study to be published later this week.

“Tax havens are one of the key engines of the rise in global inequality,” he 
said. “As inequality rises, offshore tax evasion is becoming an elite sport.”

At the centre of the leak is Appleby, a law firm with outposts in Bermuda, the 
Cayman Islands, the British Virgin Islands, the Isle of Man, Jersey and 
Guernsey. In contrast to Mossack Fonseca, the discredited firm at the centre of 
last year’s Panama Papers investigation, Appleby prides itself on being a 
leading member of the “magic circle” of top-ranking offshore service providers.

It acted for the establishment offshore, providing the structures that helped 
to legally reduce their tax bills.

Appleby says it has investigated all the allegations, and found “there is no 
evidence of any wrongdoing, either on the part of ourselves or our clients”, 
adding: “We are a law firm which advises clients on legitimate and lawful ways 
to conduct their business. We do not tolerate illegal behaviour.”

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/paradise-papers-leak-reveals-secrets-of-world-elites-hidden-wealth


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Re: [MBZ] bow ties,

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Somebody should be able to find something here that could be fastened or sewn 
on the tie:

https://www.google.com/search?q=mercedes+logo+pin=isch=iu=m=1=ksCk_eaPUb2ADM%253A%252CcsDu4WGdO3fHyM%252C_=__gcbe6dv3SBxjOxvJ0mcsATFA9rA%3D=X=0ahUKEwiKscLXt6DXAhXE5iYKHdMsA-MQ9QEIVTAF#imgrc=ksCk_eaPUb2ADM:
 

Personally I'd just get one of the pins (tie tacs?) and fasten in on the bow 
ties knot or even on one of "wings" so long as it didn't make it droop.

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch=mercedes+logo+pin=q:mercedes+logo+pin,online_chips:pinback+tie=X=2=0ahUKEwiX0uzjt6DXAhXG6yYKHb4TA_wQ4lYILSgG=709=386=1.36

Gerry


> I'm trying to understand the motivation to buy it, as there isn't anything 
> visible that would identify it as an MB item.
> -D
> 
> > On Nov 2, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> > 
> > Yes very lame. I saw that.
> > 
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> > 
> >> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> Lame-o:
> >> 
> >> http://lifestylecollection.mbusa.com/mb-men/mb-men-accessories-belts-socks-ties/Checkered-silk-bow-tie_AMHP411.html
> >> 
> >> -D
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Re: [MBZ] bow ties,

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On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 18:31:53 -0700
Jim Cathey via Mercedes  wrote:

> >
> > Just did a quick search for MB bow ties. Didn't find any
> 
> 
> Well, duh!  Chevy bow ties, yes.  Anything else?  No.  :-)
> 
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Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] OT OS

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On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 20:15:34 -0500
fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> > > Andrew  wrote:
> > >
> > > How about someone who really knows his wild mushrooms?
> 
> 
> > MG wrote:
> 
> > I go out and pick Chantrelles when they are growing. They are
> > one of the best mushrooms for cooking and have a great taste.
> 
> Yup.  My "plot" didn't grow any this year.  Probably 'cause it was
> too dry at their usual time.  Chanterelle mushrooms are also easy
> to identify and easy to avoid the one possible poison look-alike.
> 
> I also watch for puffballs and chicken-of-the-woods.
> 
> > Randy wrote:
> >
> > My father used to pick wild mushrooms. He said that they were ok
> > unless they did not smell good.
> 
> That is a _very_ risky way to identify mushrooms!!!
> 
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There "is" a definite way but it can be pretty cruel.

A "high society lady", who lived in a small town, decided to pitch a party for 
the other "high society" folks. She sent her part time maid out in the woods 
behind the house to pick mushrooms for a dish she was preparing for the party. 
After the dish was cooked she put some of it in the food dish for Old Spot, the 
"backyard dog", to be sure none of the mushrooms were poisonous.

That evening the meal was served to her guests and she received many 
compliments on the mushroom casserole.

She had, however, forgotten to check on Spot so she asked the maid.

"He's dead", said the maid.

The lady went into a panic, told everyone the mushrooms must have been 
poisonous, and called the towns doctors who rushed out with stomach pumps.

After all the guests stomachs had been pumped and they had left in a dark mood, 
the maid came into the kitchen and said, "You know, ma'am, that car that hit 
Old Spot didn't even slow down."

Still, feeding questionable mushrooms to a dog is a pretty good test of whether 
they are poisonous or not IMO.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Zantac

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If it were me, I would take 150 mg according to the instructions on this 
website:

https://www.zantacotc.com/zantac-FAQ.html

After I saw that ranitidine 150 mg worked, I would try 75 mg to see if that 
worked.

Good luck,
Gerry

~~~
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> Just bought my first box of 75 mg Zantac.
> 
> Directions state to take one 30 to 60 minutes BEFORE eating to prevent
> symptoms, but can also be taken on the spot to relieve symptoms.
> 
> Question:  If I eat 3 hrs. before bedtime, then wake up 3-4 hours later
> with heartburn, how should I take the pill?
> 
> a. As directed - before eating
> b. At bedtime
> c. At 4 AM when the GERD attacks.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Andrew

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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of carbs

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He needs these:

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> Dude, that’s a FEATURE!  You need to tell the CPAP marketing people this!
> -D
> 
> > On Oct 18, 2017, at 8:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I used to eat Mexican of some sort at least 2-3 times a week. Let me tell 
> > you when you are in bed using a cpap and you fart, it sucks that smell 
> > right in and injects it super concentrated directly into the nose.

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Re: [MBZ] GERD for dummies

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Andrew Strasfogel wrote:   Seems like this group comprises all the major 
ailments, which offers me hope for an answer to the question I am about to pose.
> 
> Several years back I developed a gastrointestinal reflux issue (GERD) that
> only manifests itself when I am asleep.  I typically awake thirsty  around
> 4 AM because my mouth dries out (mouth breather), and when I take a sip of
> water that immediately detonates the GERD depth charger.  I get this queasy
> feeling that keeps me from going back to sleep.
> 
> I've also tried a Tums at bed time, with very limited success, as well as
> ginger pills and Nexium-and Prevacid type drugs.  The latter only makes
> things worse.  Oddly, I never have any symptoms when awake during the day,
> and the symptoms are almost exclusively triggered when I take that 4AM sip
> of water.  Ideally, I wuld like to take a pill at bedtime to get me through
> this nasty ritual.
> 
> Anyone else BTDT?
~


The first thing I would do would be to make an appt with a gastroenterologist 
since the symptoms seem strange. A heliobacter pylori infection, which can 
cause gerd, can also cause stomach cancer.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera=bacterium+that+causes+gerd=opera=UTF-8=UTF-8
 
If the doctor prescribed Nexium or Prevacid or similar drugs, I would ask for a 
ranitidine 150 mg prescription since it doesn't have the most serious side 
effects of the others.

That's what I would do. I'm not suggesting that you do the same, however, since 
"practicing medicine without a license" could cost me my lab rat licence and I 
might need it again if the government guts social security any more than they 
have already by eliminating COLA.
Good luck,
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Flying Motorcycle

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Hey! I like to live dangerously. I drive a Prius, you know.
Gerry

G Mann wrote:
> Just think how exciting it would be to fall off that bike into the 4
> rotating propellers... it adds a whole new dimension to the term "Crash and
> Burn".
> 
> Or you are in hot pursuit and the battery pack runs empty at
> altitude
> 
> Exciting stuff should be "a lot of fun"  at rehab...
> 
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:10 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > I want one.
> >
> > https://www.thenational.ae/uae/dubai-police-unveils-
> > flying-hoversurf-at-gitex-1.665396
> >
> > Video:
> > https://www.rt.com/in-motion/406348-dubai-police-flying-bike/
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Re: [MBZ] OT: This Car Makes me Puke

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Maybe the same as the 2017 Camry which has a grill thats reminiscient of the 
cow-catchers on the old steam train engines. Makes one wonder what they were 
smoking.
However, if you hit a small deer with that thing, it might stick there instead 
of coming up into the windshield.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/toyota/camry/2017/photos-exterior

Add to that the current scandal over the steel that is used in cars, airplanes,
and other important products in Japan:

"Kobe Steel scandal deepens over quality of products used in cars and aircraft"

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/11/japan-kobe-steel-scandal-ford-toyota-honda-mazda-boeing
 


> Saw one of these on the street during lunch this week. I really dislike the 
> grille treatment/design.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > While FFing through the ads on my DVR the other night I caught an 
> > involuntary glimpse of this Lexus. Why anyone would want something that 
> > looks like this is beyond me. Is this harkening back to the early days of 
> > really ugly Japanese auto styles or what?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2016_Lexus_RX_350_F_SPORT_012.jpg
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[MBZ] Flying Motorcycle

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I want one.

https://www.thenational.ae/uae/dubai-police-unveils-flying-hoversurf-at-gitex-1.665396

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Re: [MBZ] Not much love for '60 or '71 vintage Fiats

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During the 1940s-50s a neighbor in a student trailer park had a little Italian 
sports car which had no problems other than headgaskets. This was the days when 
torque wrenches were rare and you could pull down a head on nearly any American 
car using two fingers on the end of a breakover handle. I put a head gasket on 
the Italian car using the two finger method but it soon began leaking. I told 
him to find a mechanic or shop that had a torque wrench and that solved his 
problem. It was a valve-in-block engine, so it wasn't a big job. I don't 
remember what make it was but I don't think it was a Fiat although it could 
have been. It was fun to drive and you could keep up with nearly any sports car 
on a winding road with sharp curves. 

There were several other small sports cars that raced together around Florida; 
Triumphs, Morgans, MGs, and others. I don't remember there being any Mercedes 
or other European sports cars in that group, however.
Gerry
~~
OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

> The original Mini's were a decently engineered and constructed (other than
> the Lucas parts) car that was innovative at the time. I've never been close
> a 2CV, so have no opinion. The Fiat 500 and 600 of the 60's were more like
> the Renault Dauphine - junk cars.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > > On October 10, 2017 at 2:00 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Not much there to love . . .
> >
> > But look at what people pay for Minis and 2CVs.
> > That reminds me, I saw an aircooled Beetle Convertible a few miles down
> > the road from my house this AM with a for sale sign on it. Did they make
> > those in Battleship Gray, or did somebody repaint it that color on purpose?
> >
> > Mitch.
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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