Re: [MBZ] FWIW

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

but also for my sexy too, no?

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> Thanks Dan. I hate to be the MB content NAZI but I joined this 12 years ago
> for MB content.  Period.
> On Oct 5, 2014 8:31 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
> > OK, everyone, Im going to pull the plug on this right away.  There was
> > nothing of value in that post that was even remotely relevant to subject
> > matter for this list.
> >
> > This thread is closed. Period.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] FWIW

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

doesn't seem closed from here

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 19:07:20 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > This is trash promulgated by a non-scientist with a right wing agenda.
> >
> > You should know better than to parrot viral garbage racing around the
> > internet before you do due diligence.
>
> Actually your vitriolic rant is what is garbage. I am a scientist and am
> on an email list of many leading scientists who discuss the
> mis-information behind the climate hysteria, not the least of which is
> that the climate models are increasingly divergent from what is actually
> happening.
>
> From a posting on that list,
> --
>
> Incidentally, the handle of the hockey stick was produced by Mann using
> tree rings, which in itself is wrong as they represent precipitation not
> temperature. When the tree ring trend they produced went down in the 20th
> century they tacked on the "modern" record produced by Jones (hide the
> decline). Jones record became the blade of the hockey stick and shows the
> up turn on this graph.
>
> In his original work Jones claimed the temperature increased 0.6°C in
> approximately 120 years and that this was unnatural because it exceeded
> any natural temperature record increase. The ice core record shows that
> is false. More troubling, the Jones data was 0.6°C ±0.2°C or a ±33%
> percent error range. When Warwick Hughes asked for Jones' data he
> replied, on 21, February 2005. "We have 25 or so years invested in the
> work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to
> try and find something wrong with it." Then Jones reported, what I think
> we will eventually hear from Mann, that he lost the data.
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/15/phil-jones-lost-weather-data
> Notice he says it is not acceptable, but he was never held accountable.
>
> Yes, the Mann or more correctly the Phil Jones and IPCC modern record up
> turn in the 20th century is insignificant in the 10,000 Holocene record.
> The reason for Mann's hockey stick was to support the argument that
> todays temperatures are the highest ever. We pointed out that the
> Medieval Warm Period, around 1000 on the graph was warmer, so Mann set
> out to get rid of it. It wasn't just Mann, but the entire gang at the
> Climatic Research Unit (CRU), most of who were on the IPCC. One was
> Jonathan Overpeck, who in an email to David Deming said."We have to get
> rid of the Medieval Warm Period." Deming gave this as sworn testimony to
> the Congress. http://www.epw.senate.gov/hearing_statements.cfm?id=266543
>
> When we argued that the world was warmer for most of the Holocene as the
> Greenland graph shows, the argument made by NASA (Hansen), NOAA and
> especially the CRU people was that it was only warmer in summer
> temperatures. What rubbish.
>
> The evidence isn't just the ice core record. Here is a photograph of a
> White Spruce some 100 km north of the current tree line. It was taken by
> Professor Ritchie and first appeared in Lamb's Volume 2. I obtained
> permission from Professor Ritchie to use it in articles I was writing.
> Here the photo is attached to a similar Holocene graph to the one
> produced by NOAA that I used in a powerpoint presentation..
>
> Notice the temperature was at least 2°C warmer than at present, yet the
> IPCC say this would be a catastrophic warming. The question is how did
> the polar bears survive the Holocene, because there was certainly
> considerably less ice.
>
> So many lies, so much terrible science. So little accountability
>
> -
>
> The billions of dollars of funding that has been poured into supporting
> the hysteria has corrupted many scientists and degraded science.
>
>
> Craig
> Ph.D. physics
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Re: [MBZ] FWIW

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

in the age of the neoliberal, everything is subsumed to political agenda.
 there is no concept of independent "truth" or "science".  just
limbaughesque comics spouting!

is this news to you, peter?

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
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> This is trash promulgated by a non-scientist with a right wing agenda.
>
> You should know better than to parrot viral garbage racing around the
> internet before you do due diligence.
>
> Quite a bit of data is missing, has obvious errors, or cannot be explained
> by known weather phenomena, and the data from the US is vastly better than
> most of the rest of the planet.  In order to model and interpret, it can be
> necessary to correct known errors (a thermometer that read high or low all
> the time, for instance,and was known to by comparison) and to correct for
> errors when someone reported a temperature greatly different than
> surrounding ones with no explaination, etc.  Data can be full of errors,
> after all.
>
> All the data from before the advent of weather satellites is from written
> records, often by amateurs or farmers who may or may not (probably mostly
> not) have had certified thermometers known to read accurately, and there
> has never been a "real" climate data system designed to collect the
> pertinent data, and even if there were one now, it certainly did not exist
> prior to the 1970s.
>
> The last major heat wave we had was quite similar here to the 1930s -- my
> mother lived through it.  Just a couple degrees and a couple days short of
> the record set then.
>
> Climate scientists are well aware of the need to interpolate missing data,
> corrections necessary due to what are very obviously reporting errors, and
> so forth, and that information is included in their research papers if you
> bother to read them and understand them.
>
> Some layman nut writing under an assumed name shouldn't get the time of
> day, let alone credibility.
>
> I strongly suggest you learn some climate science and scientific
> methodology before you criticize someone's work.
>
> Reminds me of the climate "scientist" who was blowing some years back that
> in HIS part of climate research (the upper reaches of the stratosphere) the
> temperatures were not changing and therefore there was no "climate
> change".  Only surface temps were changing, so he assumed (and bloviated)
> that the CLIMATE couldn't be changing because above 100,000 ft altitude he
> wasn't seeing anything.  Fine if you live on the edges of space, I suppose,
> but all the humans I know of live below 12,000 ft altitude and on the
> physical surface of the planet, which he agreed WAS heating up.
>
> This sort of nonsense gives science a bad name, which is, after all, the
> entire and complete point of all the nonsense you referred to.  Once we can
> discredit science we can get right back to Divine Right and get to
> persecuting heretics while stealing everything.
>
> Peter
>
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Re: [MBZ] PayPal Users, Be Aware!

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

sellers gotta sell

buyers don't gotta buy.

buyers drive paypal.  paypal will always side with buyers over sellers

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> They have really screwed up a good thing
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 5, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Some major changes to their Terms of Service (TOS) taking place November
> 18:
> >
> >> We’re increasing the time for buyers to file a merchandise dispute
> (Item Not Received and Significantly Not as Described) from 45 days to 180
> days.
> >
> > And:
> >
> >> If a buyer files a Significantly Not as Described (SNAD) Claim for an
> item they purchased from you, you will generally be required to accept the
> item back and refund the buyer the full purchase price plus original
> shipping costs. You will not receive a refund of your PayPal fees. Further,
> if you lose a SNAD Claim because we, in our sole discretion, reasonably
> believe the item you sold is counterfeit, you will be required to provide a
> full refund to the buyer and you will not receive the item back (it will be
> destroyed). PayPal Seller protection will not cover your liability.
> >
> > In other words, if you're a seller, you're screwed.  Someone could
> literally buy a product from you, and 5-1/2 months later say it doesn't
> perform as stated and get a refund.  The SNAD terms are even worse.
> >
> > I'm killing my PP account before these go into service, or I'm not going
> to use it for places where I might sell something.
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Re: [MBZ] 123 windshield gaskets

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

there's a lot of that going around

i used to carry around a late model coach purse.  the thing the strap
connects to broke.  this pissed me off.  so i got one from the 1970s.  they
are not even remotely comparable in quality.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
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> No local installer could find the glass, even bigger names like safelite.
>
> I think newer glass, in general, isn't as good as the old stuff.
>
> Jaime
>
> On Friday, October 3, 2014, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> wrote:
>
> > Jaime,
> >
> > Is that program special, different from what an aftermarket installer
> would
> > get?
> >
> > A couple years ago a Pilkington windshield was installed in my '95 sedan,
> > and a month ago a rock strike cracked it.  Seems to me that replacement
> > windshields just aren't as strong as the originals, or maybe the
> > installation was poorly done.  I watched the guy install it, seemed like
> a
> > very professional job, but I'm no expert.
> >
> > Max Dillon,
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Oct 3, 2014 6:37 AM, "Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Check out Pilkington classic glass program if you end up needing a
> > > windshield.  They sold me a Sigla glass for my w108 at a reasonable
> price
> > > recently... About $300+shipping.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] TD

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i'd rank that car up there near hte top of my all time favorites.  i paid
$1300 for it in great shape, but unlikely that will happen again.

i'm really into basic motoring but such cars don't really exist anymore at
bottom feeder prices

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Oh Great Sexy One,
>
> The guy that introduced me to MBs had a 220D that finally expired from the
> tinworm at over 660k. I rode in it a couple of times, and remarked on more
> than one occasion that I thought the pedestrians were moving faster than we
> were.
>
> He lived in Baltimore, meaning he had ready access to Potomac German for
> parts to keep the beast going (I would add that it was some nasty brown
> color, but I don't recall what the interior color was. Probably tobacco?)
>
> He was a master of spiriting parts out of that place on their "$100
> weekends" where you paid $100 which allowed you to enter and take
> everything you could carry for $100 in one trip. No carts, wheelbarrows or
> mechanical devices allowed.
>
> I went with him once to see this crazy stuff. He had a big Army coat with
> tons of pockets and a 10' piece of steel pipe, which he placed across his
> shoulders and then had me and others load up four doors on it for his 220D.
> We rolled the windows down and hung them on the pipe using the window
> frame. Every pocket in the coat was stuffed with 220D bits.
>
> I think nearly everything but the engine, tranny and body got replaced at
> least once on that car, and it's possible that some drive train component
> were replaced as well - I don't recall.
>
> Dan
>
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> > On Oct 3, 2014, at 1:03 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >
> > well, i put a lot of miles on a 4 on the floor 220D and you really try
> never to break momentum in that thing.
> >
> > it's difficult to drive in modern traffic.  not quite model T, but not
> easy
> >
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Re: [MBZ] TD

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

well, i put a lot of miles on a 4 on the floor 220D and you really try
never to break momentum in that thing.

it's difficult to drive in modern traffic.  not quite model T, but not easy

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> No turbo on the 300TD until mid 1981. My first MB was a 1979 300TD, and
> knowing what I know now, I would have opted for a later (turbo) model.
>
> That being said, I would love to drive a 240D with a slush box to see how
> really slow a diesel can be
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Oct 3, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The 1980 models were non-turbos.  I know because I test drove a bunch of
> > 300TDs prior to finding my first 1983 300TD wagon.  The first US
> > model turbos were the 1978 300SD W116 sedans.  W123 turbos were first
> > offered in US version 1981 model 300D sedans, 300CD coupes, and 300TD
> > wagons.
> >
> > Andrew
> > 1983 300TD about to install 4 new tires :)
> > 1985 300TD with year-old Kumhos
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> >
> >> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >> May be turbo, I think the wagons had turbo engines one year before the
> >>> sedans.
> >>
> >> '78 (day one) in the SD
> >> '81 in the TD
> >> '82 in the D and CD
> >> '84 in the Continental Mark VII (2.4L BMW turbo, more powerful than a
> >> 617.95x, less reliable than ANY Mercedes diesel)
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Lawsuit: White woman gets black man's sperm by mistake Ooops

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

have you ever seen dallas from a DC-9 at night?

or maybe even dulles?

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> Dallas, Dulles.  What a difference a vowel makes...
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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>
> > Had a long layover in Dulles, start taking your temperature every four
> > hours please Andrew...
> >
> > Max Dillon,
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Oct 2, 2014 6:11 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Speaking of daily ebola death reports...  If you live in the Dallas
> area,
> > > be afraid...  VERY afraid...
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Re: [MBZ] 123 windshield gaskets

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

you might be stuck as this might be the only road to quality.  just make
sure you aren't getting a chinese one from the dealer or a counterfeit one
from someone online

i personally approve of penoff's method of build a relationship with a
local brick and mortar dealer and get them to sell  you at a discount as
there are quite a lot of jokers on parts.com

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> Thank you for the part number.  Sounds like a dealer with a good MBCA
> discount might be the way to go.
>
>
>  Genuine MB seal is A1236700139, retails for $144 on various dealer
>> websites.
>>
>>
>> On 10/1/14, Curly McLain wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a good source, including dealers who will discount
>>> parts for a 123 windshield gasket?  OE or OEM, no Chinese stuff.
>>>
>>> Also,any suggestions for a windshield if the old one get broken in the
>>> change.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> McL
>>>
>>  >1982 240D, 1980 240D, 1986 300SDL x 2  1987 300D
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Grosser

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

is that the old burgundy one?

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes  wrote:

> I’m partial to MB color 542.  Dark red.
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > "Sparkling Wine" or "Fizzy Wine"
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
> > On 9/30/14 11:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Gruet is the best domestic champagne under $30.  Made from grapes grown
> in
> >> Elephant Butte, NM, south of Albuquerque.  Founded by a French champagne
> >> house which searched all over the USA for the best place to plant their
> >> grapes.  Turned out to be not CA, but NM!
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >>> You could have champaign with your desert!
> >>> I'd like mine superchilled and then used to make an ice cream float!
> >>> m!
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Re: [MBZ] Selling 1983 300D Help dertemining price!

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

maybe shoot for 2500 as the weather is getting winter and someone figures
he'll worry about AC later

but i just don't know.  jaime would know

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> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > I'd lean toward $2k depending on the rust. Last year when I bought my TDI
> > I found that you couldn't get much car for $1500 anymore. About the
> lowest
> > price I saw for anything running and driving was $2,000.
> >
>
> Definitely all about location.  I would expect that car to list between
> $800 and $1500 in NC, unless you happen to hit upon a hobbyist.  I would
> expect sale price to be about $1000.
>
> ...Not that it matters, because you're in New York.  Really what I have to
> say is that it is probably worthwhile to adjust the valves again, if the
> engine is quieter your buyers might not be so skittish.
>
> Also, the AC will start to blow ice cold here in a few weeks, so there's an
> advantage... :)
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Re: [MBZ] Selling 1983 300D Help dertemining price!

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i offer 200

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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> Well I guess it doesn't BLOW ICE COLD but last forever, but does it get
> the 40mpg, on (FREE!) veggie oil?
>
> That sounds like at most a $2k car, maybe more like $1500 with the rust
> starting.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 10/1/14 9:15 AM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I am selling my 1983 300D (w/202K).  It is a daily driver and I need help
>> determining a fair price. It is runs great. The paint and body show their
>> age with a little rust under one rear wheel fender, otherwise hard to tell
>> it's over 30 years old.  I owned it since 1990 w/ 78K (second owner) and
>> have changed the oil religiously every 3K with Mobil 1 Synthetic.  I kept
>> great records since I owned it and have been part of the cult following for
>> these vehicles that will last forever.  I made numerous (expensive)
>> attempts to get the A/C working and finally gave up last year when it
>> failed.
>>
>>
>> I live in Westchester County New York and if anyone on the list is
>> interested send me your email and I can give further details and provide
>> photos.
>>
>>
>>
>> Recent work:
>>
>>
>> New Battery
>> 4 Michelin (Harmony) tires April 2013 (191K)
>> Front Brakes -  April 2013 (191K)
>> Valves adjusted - May 2012 (185K)
>> New Injectors - February 2012 (182K)
>> New Glow Plugs - November 2011 (181K)
>>
>>
>> I am selling because I just purchased a new car and one of my three old
>> Mercedes had to go to make room.   This is the lowest in the pecking order.
>>
>>
>> Bob K
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 123 windshield gaskets

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

it's very difficult to find OEM windshield seals now, leaving most to
choose between chinese garbage and genuine.   but it gets even worse that
even genuine is becoming chinese garbage now

i'd look for some sort of NOS german seal, like maybe a CRP, if i had to
answer this question

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> Does anyone have a good source, including dealers who will discount parts
> for a 123 windshield gasket?  OE or OEM, no Chinese stuff.
>
> Also,any suggestions for a windshield if the old one get broken in the
> change.
>
> TIA
>
> McL
> 1982 240D, 1980 240D, 1986 300SDL x 2  1987 300D
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Re: [MBZ] OIL THREAD

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i'd say hitler would have been a fan of sythetic oil.  i mean, he did like
synthetic rubber, no?

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Isn't someone going to mention Hitler now?
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes <
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> > it will blow out your seals like a thermonuclear explosion!  suck it out
> > right now with your mouth if you have to!
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> >
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> about
> >> mixing dino & M1 as I topped off the 6i7 with synthetic forgetting I had
> >> not changed it over yet to M1..
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Having fun with malicious people

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

today you'd get dragged into the system, if some crazed cop just back from
war didn't just gun you down as just another taliban

even if it didnt' come to that, you'd need to be medicated into zombie state

it's a very different world than the one we grew up in and there are some
ways where i see it as a much worse world


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> No question about that. Holy, when I look back at some of the stuff we did
> it scares me.
>
> Sure was fun at the time, though.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > yes, you'd have been in the criminal justice system today, where they
> want to drag everyone
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > My brother and I had a reputation in high school of not being people you
> messed with.  Our rule was that you could never damage property or hurt
> anyone, but anything else was fair game.
> >
> > We had a common friend John, who was sort of the geek of our bunch.  He
> had a 1970 Javelin with an inline six and a three on the tree. Cool looking
> car, but a real dog.  He wanted to go out with this girl that was in our
> choir group s bad, but was always afraid to ask her.  He finally got
> the nerve to do it, and she accepted.
> >
> > They went to a football game with a dance that followed, an informal
> affair organized by the school at a local park, known as German Park.  As
> you might expect, the dance was in an outdoor pavilion of sorts, and it was
> in the fall and fairly cool in the evenings.  He even bought her this
> really nice cashmere sweater (which was a bit over the top and probably
> creeped her out slightly, since they had never gone out before.)
> >
> > He knew we would probably mess with him, so he pulled an old trick - he
> placed a small pebble on the hood of his car so he would know if anyone got
> into it.  Unfortunately for him, we knew that trick, too
> >
> > While they were at the football game we got into his car and placed the
> requisite drops of deer lure in each of the spark plug wells, closed the
> hood, and placed the pebble back where he left it.  Hee.
> >
> > They came out of the football game and got into the car.  Since there
> were many people there, waiting in line to get out of the parking lot took
> a good 10 minutes, during which time the stench began to waft through the
> car.  Not knowing if it was someone around them they put up with it, but
> after the 10 minute drive to the park it was obvious the car has some
> serious odor issues.
> >
> > I'm not sure how things turned out at the dance, suffice to say she got
> a ride home with some friends, that much we know.  John didn't speak to us
> for several weeks afterwards
> >
> > These are the stories we never tell our kids.  Half the stuff we did
> back then would probably get you jail time nowadays.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> >
> > > Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> A couple of drops of deer lure on each spark plug well is far better
> than rubbing Limburger on the car.  Plus it last longer.  Don't ask me how
> I know
> > >> Dan master of practical jokes in high school Man
> > >
> > > Butyric acid in the cabin air intake is the worst.
> > > It's more of a terrorist attack than a practical joke.
> > >
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> > > He traced it to his high performance ignition coil under the hood.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Having fun with malicious people

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

yes, you'd have been in the criminal justice system today, where they want
to drag everyone

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My brother and I had a reputation in high school of not being people you
> messed with.  Our rule was that you could never damage property or hurt
> anyone, but anything else was fair game.
>
> We had a common friend John, who was sort of the geek of our bunch.  He
> had a 1970 Javelin with an inline six and a three on the tree. Cool looking
> car, but a real dog.  He wanted to go out with this girl that was in our
> choir group s bad, but was always afraid to ask her.  He finally got
> the nerve to do it, and she accepted.
>
> They went to a football game with a dance that followed, an informal
> affair organized by the school at a local park, known as German Park.  As
> you might expect, the dance was in an outdoor pavilion of sorts, and it was
> in the fall and fairly cool in the evenings.  He even bought her this
> really nice cashmere sweater (which was a bit over the top and probably
> creeped her out slightly, since they had never gone out before.)
>
> He knew we would probably mess with him, so he pulled an old trick - he
> placed a small pebble on the hood of his car so he would know if anyone got
> into it.  Unfortunately for him, we knew that trick, too
>
> While they were at the football game we got into his car and placed the
> requisite drops of deer lure in each of the spark plug wells, closed the
> hood, and placed the pebble back where he left it.  Hee.
>
> They came out of the football game and got into the car.  Since there were
> many people there, waiting in line to get out of the parking lot took a
> good 10 minutes, during which time the stench began to waft through the
> car.  Not knowing if it was someone around them they put up with it, but
> after the 10 minute drive to the park it was obvious the car has some
> serious odor issues.
>
> I'm not sure how things turned out at the dance, suffice to say she got a
> ride home with some friends, that much we know.  John didn't speak to us
> for several weeks afterwards
>
> These are the stories we never tell our kids.  Half the stuff we did back
> then would probably get you jail time nowadays.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> A couple of drops of deer lure on each spark plug well is far better
> than rubbing Limburger on the car.  Plus it last longer.  Don't ask me how
> I know
> >> Dan master of practical jokes in high school Man
> >
> > Butyric acid in the cabin air intake is the worst.
> > It's more of a terrorist attack than a practical joke.
> >
> > One time a friend of mine found a thin strand of copper on his driver's
> seat.
> > He traced it to his high performance ignition coil under the hood.
> >
> > He collected a gallon of boar urine (he raised pork) and waited.
> > When he found out who was responsible for the wire, he put the stale pig
> wizz in his windshield washer bottle.
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

some people just have no class

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> --R wrote:
> > I am wearing chinee work boots right now...
>
> Heathen!!
> Yeah, eff your neighbor and watch him disappear as all jobs disappear.
> Your examples of PRC that works is idiot short sighted.  Hear the
> prophet.  Speak, Gary.
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Re: [MBZ] Boots: Was Brake rotors - does brand matter?

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

the french can really pile up the costs on a dessert

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That must have been one heck of a dessert!
>
> 
>
> Dan
>
> On Sep 29, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I have several pair of USA made Danner boots.  My sons also have some.
> One
> > of my boys wore some daily on his deployment in the dessert.  IMO they
> are
> > several degrees superior to other quality brands of boots I have owned.
> > Fairly expensive too, north of $200 a pair but a bargain.  I would seek
> them
> > out even if their factory and store were not nearby me in Portland, OR.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i'll probably get wolverine or red wing if i end up getting boots.  if i
moved to central florida, maybe i can justify them more as a tool for
dealing with the terrain.  right now, though, i live in a paved over
mangrove swamp with pumps to keep the water out.  totally just artificial
apart from the beach, which i suspect is even mostly artificial

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Truthfully, I wouldn't buy boots from A-E unless they were for dress. Red
> Wings are by far the very best boots I have owned, although it's been a
> long time since I've had any.
>
> That's the only boot my Dad would buy (he was also the one who introduced
> me to A-E) and he bought them for my brother and I as well.  I think the
> last pair I had I outgrew before they wore out
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 29, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > I suppose they're the bees knees but their boots look like sizzle
> without steak to me. Far too showy to be tramping through the mud and guck.
> They do appear to have a good working tread, probably bought from the same
> supplier as my Red Wings are. That they don't mention being waterproof
> would make me nervous though...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 3:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?
> >
> > Allen-Edmonds. 'nuf said.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Sep 29, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Have you tried Redwing boots? I've got a pair of real "made in the
> USA", again about $200 but they're super comfortable. I can wear them all
> day with no problems. They were like that right out of the box, no long
> break in time like lesser boots.
> > > I've had mine I think 4 years at this point, no noticeable wear yet
> although I don't wear them all that much in the summer.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> > > To: Gary Hurst ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 2:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?
> > >
> > >
> > > I am wearing chinee work boots right now, this is maybe my 3rd or 4th
> > > pair, I get a coupla years out of them and with the addition of gel
> > > inserts they are reasonably comfy.  $50 is "good enough."  The chinee
> > > dog food did kill my dog some years ago.
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 9/29/14 1:55 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> yeah, they work good.  except when they don't.
> > >>
> > >> those chinese shoes from walmart sometimes work too.  but i'm still
> wearing
> > >> alden's.
> > >>
> > >> and their dog food doesn't kill your dog right away every time either
> and
> > >> it really works for a long time till fido gets that cancer.  i mean,
> it
> > >> could have been second hand smoke that did him in?
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Re: [MBZ] Apple memory

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i would take it from you but i already have like 4 of those

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> Need an address.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OIL THREAD

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

it will blow out your seals like a thermonuclear explosion!  suck it out
right now with your mouth if you have to!

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Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?

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what??  someone thinks i'm crazy

who?

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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> Everyone already thinks you are crazy, so boots would not be a factor.
>
> I have a pair of leather Redwing boots I got in college to wear in winter
> snow, they have waffle treads and no insulation, which at the time was not
> really something you could find.  I think they are in a box somewhere, I
> would wear them occasionally when I was doing some sort of work where they
> were useful.  Last time I wore them I put some shoe oil on them as they
> were drying out a bit (they originally had oily leather).  I guess I have
> at least 40 years in them now, maybe I should wear them a bit more.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 9/29/14 3:11 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> living in an urban area of florida, my use for boots is so limited, but i
>> really do desire them in my heart.  i might someday get some wolverine
>> 1000
>> mile boots and just wear them on the beach and let everyone think i'm
>> crazy.
>> check em out  :)
>>
>> http://www.wolverine.com/US/en-us/Product.mvc.aspx/20591M/74403
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Have you tried Redwing boots? I've got a pair of real "made in the USA",
>>> again about $200 but they're super comfortable. I can wear them all day
>>> with no problems. They were like that right out of the box, no long break
>>> in time like lesser boots.
>>> I've had mine I think 4 years at this point, no noticeable wear yet
>>> although I don't wear them all that much in the summer.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>   From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>> To: Gary Hurst ; Mercedes Discussion List <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 2:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?
>>>
>>>
>>> I am wearing chinee work boots right now, this is maybe my 3rd or 4th
>>> pair, I get a coupla years out of them and with the addition of gel
>>> inserts they are reasonably comfy.  $50 is "good enough."  The chinee
>>> dog food did kill my dog some years ago.
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/29/14 1:55 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>>> yeah, they work good.  except when they don't.
>>>>
>>>> those chinese shoes from walmart sometimes work too.  but i'm still
>>>>
>>> wearing
>>>
>>>> alden's.
>>>>
>>>> and their dog food doesn't kill your dog right away every time either
>>>> and
>>>> it really works for a long time till fido gets that cancer.  i mean, it
>>>> could have been second hand smoke that did him in?
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

ok, here is my issue.  my feet sort of measure out as follows:

L:  13EE/D
R:  12EE/C

so i've got a mess with any pair of shoes made.  AE would tend to size at a
choice of 13E or 13EEE on casual shoes, which in J&M terminology would
leave me to choose between 13E/C or 13EEE/E. the former are going to be too
snug and the latter too big.  alden sells 13EE/D (they's invert it and
write it as 13D/EE) and they have some models with a huge toe box for my
mangled feet.

so this is the sole reason (eh, i'm funny!) that i prefer to wear alden
over AE at this very moment, although i really do love my chromexcel AEs
best of all

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Allen-Edmonds. 'nuf said.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 29, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Have you tried Redwing boots? I've got a pair of real "made in the USA",
> again about $200 but they're super comfortable. I can wear them all day
> with no problems. They were like that right out of the box, no long break
> in time like lesser boots.
> > I've had mine I think 4 years at this point, no noticeable wear yet
> although I don't wear them all that much in the summer.
> >
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> > To: Gary Hurst ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 2:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?
> >
> >
> > I am wearing chinee work boots right now, this is maybe my 3rd or 4th
> > pair, I get a coupla years out of them and with the addition of gel
> > inserts they are reasonably comfy.  $50 is "good enough."  The chinee
> > dog food did kill my dog some years ago.
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 9/29/14 1:55 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:
> >> yeah, they work good.  except when they don't.
> >>
> >> those chinese shoes from walmart sometimes work too.  but i'm still
> wearing
> >> alden's.
> >>
> >> and their dog food doesn't kill your dog right away every time either
> and
> >> it really works for a long time till fido gets that cancer.  i mean, it
> >> could have been second hand smoke that did him in?
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Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

living in an urban area of florida, my use for boots is so limited, but i
really do desire them in my heart.  i might someday get some wolverine 1000
mile boots and just wear them on the beach and let everyone think i'm
crazy.
check em out  :)

http://www.wolverine.com/US/en-us/Product.mvc.aspx/20591M/74403

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> Have you tried Redwing boots? I've got a pair of real "made in the USA",
> again about $200 but they're super comfortable. I can wear them all day
> with no problems. They were like that right out of the box, no long break
> in time like lesser boots.
> I've had mine I think 4 years at this point, no noticeable wear yet
> although I don't wear them all that much in the summer.
>
>
> -Curt
>
>
> 
>  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> To: Gary Hurst ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?
>
>
> I am wearing chinee work boots right now, this is maybe my 3rd or 4th
> pair, I get a coupla years out of them and with the addition of gel
> inserts they are reasonably comfy.  $50 is "good enough."  The chinee
> dog food did kill my dog some years ago.
>
> --R
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/29/14 1:55 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:
> > yeah, they work good.  except when they don't.
> >
> > those chinese shoes from walmart sometimes work too.  but i'm still
> wearing
> > alden's.
> >
> > and their dog food doesn't kill your dog right away every time either and
> > it really works for a long time till fido gets that cancer.  i mean, it
> > could have been second hand smoke that did him in?
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

yeah, they work good.  except when they don't.

those chinese shoes from walmart sometimes work too.  but i'm still wearing
alden's.

and their dog food doesn't kill your dog right away every time either and
it really works for a long time till fido gets that cancer.  i mean, it
could have been second hand smoke that did him in?

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> The thing is that the Chinesium stuff is generally "good enough" which
> makes it hard to justify the "real thing". For instance I put cheap Advance
> Auto calipers on my '83 240D years ago because they were what I could get
> on a Saturday afternoon. They lasted the whole 25,000 miles I had the car
> and never gave any trouble. It would have been hard to justify more
> expensive calipers. Same with the cheap rotors and pads I put on it. I'd
> bought the car for $400, the brake job cost another I think $250...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> 
>  From: Gary Hurst 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?
>
>
>
> yeah, and you guys have had such luck with chinese product anyway.  keep
> it up!
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Remember the cost of making the parts has been going up in non-China
> countries and prices haven't really risen. By moving to China they're
> reducing their cost of production so they can make some profit again...
> >
> >-Curt
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Mountain Man via Mercedes 
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:01 PM
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?
> >
> >
> >
> >Gary wrote:
> >> if they are going to go chinese and not pass on any of the
> >> savings to the end user, then what kind of people are they?
> >>
> >
> >What kind of people are they?
> >They are just another Mitt Romney or Bruce Rouner.
> >Astounding that we continue to laud and honor and desire these type of
> >people.  We need to support people that are around us with values and
> >lives and bank accounts that look like us.  We need to push these
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> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

yeah, and you guys have had such luck with chinese product anyway.  keep it
up!

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> Remember the cost of making the parts has been going up in non-China
> countries and prices haven't really risen. By moving to China they're
> reducing their cost of production so they can make some profit again...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> 
>  From: Mountain Man via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?
>
>
> Gary wrote:
> > if they are going to go chinese and not pass on any of the
> > savings to the end user, then what kind of people are they?
> >
>
> What kind of people are they?
> They are just another Mitt Romney or Bruce Rouner.
> Astounding that we continue to laud and honor and desire these type of
> people.  We need to support people that are around us with values and
> lives and bank accounts that look like us.  We need to push these
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> 
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OIL THREAD

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

roger just likes living in the 70s.  but, hey, who doesn't?

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> Absolute humbug Roger!
>
> Or rather if your car's seals start to leak you were due for a leak anyway
> and the synthetic just hastened it along. I recognize that where you live
> synthetic is not required in the winter but I assure you that a 61x engine
> with 15w40 conventional oil WILL NOT START at 0F. There isn't enough power
> to crank it over fast enough (or for long) at that temp. With 5w40 M1 it'll
> start okay at that temp and if all your ducks are in a row (clean fuel,
> good battery etc) it'll still start at -10F unassisted.
>
> If your car has leaking seals just fix the seals, don't blame the oil.
> Actually the cars I've put M1 in have mostly drooled a little before the
> seals swell and close off the leaks.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> 
>  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:02 PM
> Subject: [MBZ]  OIL THREAD
>
>
> Dwight,
>  If your 617 has very many miles, I'd get the synthetic stuff out
> ASAP.  In my experience (and I know others drool over synthetic), it will
> make your front and rear main seals start leaking.  BTDT.  I keep synthetic
> away from both of my 617s.  I still use Mobil, just the dino 15x40.
> Best Wishes,
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Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?

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it's a box.  do you imagine there is a bosch brake rotor factory in teh
black forest?

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> How could Bosch be "Chinese"?
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
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> > Gary wrote:
> > > if they are going to go chinese and not pass on any of the
> > > savings to the end user, then what kind of people are they?
> > >
> >
> > What kind of people are they?
> > They are just another Mitt Romney or Bruce Rouner.
> > Astounding that we continue to laud and honor and desire these type of
> > people.  We need to support people that are around us with values and
> > lives and bank accounts that look like us.  We need to push these
> > billionaires to the back of the bus in all ways.  All deals that look
> > good for our wallet are deals that are bad for us.  Categorically!!
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Vise Grips: was Brake rotors

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there's a lot of stuff out there today going on in korea and taiwan that
woudl have been unimaginable to possibly all of us back in the day

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> I knew this guy in Houston who worked for some company that made equipment
> for the all bidness.  He had gone to Taiwan to assess vendors for making
> their stuff.  One guy takes him to this factory building, he said it was so
> big you couldn't see from one side to the other, acres and acres under
> roof, and was filled with robot/CNC machine tools sitting every little
> ways, all brand new very high-end Taiwan stuff, that had not been brought
> on line yet.  The guy told him that once it got running it would take very
> few people to run and would churn out whatever stuff 24x7.  This guy was
> just astounded at the spectacle, he said there were lots of factories like
> that over there but this one was just amazing.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 9/28/14 4:38 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> i am fairly favorably disposed to taiwan stuff and it is a different place
>> than the PRC and might not suffer as much for the sort of antics we are
>> getting from the mainland
>>
>> i like bicycles and taiwan has got some of the best bike tech around.  i
>> find that any frame that says "tig welded --taiwan" is going to be ok
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  FYI, the vise grips are made in non-slave labor Taiwan, not China.  IME
>>> tools from Taiwan are usually much better than ones from China.  Also,
>>> Irwin
>>> seems to have better quality control on their outsourced tools than some
>>> other companies.  I have bought a couple of the Taiwan vise-grips (the
>>> micro
>>> sized ones) and they seem good so far.  They are tools that will often
>>> work
>>> where nothing else will!
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch
>>> Haley via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:54 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?
>>>
>>> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 09:43:04 -0400 Gary Hurst via Mercedes
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  cause chinese garbage is fun!
>>>>>
>>>> So which brands are not chinese garbage?
>>>>
>>> I don't mind Chinese garbage, as long as I don't pay much more than $1/lb
>>> for it. But I'm with Gary, if made in China carries the same price (like
>>> Vise-Grips), I'm not buying it.
>>>
>>> Is Balo still good?
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Vise Grips: was Brake rotors

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i am fairly favorably disposed to taiwan stuff and it is a different place
than the PRC and might not suffer as much for the sort of antics we are
getting from the mainland

i like bicycles and taiwan has got some of the best bike tech around.  i
find that any frame that says "tig welded --taiwan" is going to be ok

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> FYI, the vise grips are made in non-slave labor Taiwan, not China.  IME
> tools from Taiwan are usually much better than ones from China.  Also,
> Irwin
> seems to have better quality control on their outsourced tools than some
> other companies.  I have bought a couple of the Taiwan vise-grips (the
> micro
> sized ones) and they seem good so far.  They are tools that will often work
> where nothing else will!
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch
> Haley via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:54 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?
>
> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 09:43:04 -0400 Gary Hurst via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> cause chinese garbage is fun!
> >
> > So which brands are not chinese garbage?
>
> I don't mind Chinese garbage, as long as I don't pay much more than $1/lb
> for it. But I'm with Gary, if made in China carries the same price (like
> Vise-Grips), I'm not buying it.
>
> Is Balo still good?
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Re: [MBZ] OIL THREAD

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i just wish to avoid an environment of hysteria where if someone drops a
quart of mobil 1 by mistake, the he must now get it out ASAP.  i personally
don't know of mobil 1 causing any leak issues since back in the very early
days

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> Gary,
>  I tried the Mobil synthetic in the late 90s and early 2000s and it
> caused front/rear main seal leaks on my vehicles.  I'm a 3K oil changer
> with new filter.  Personally, I don't think the stories are "preposterous"
> because I've personally seen the results on the 4 vehicles I own (1980
> 300SD - 430,000 miles, 1983 300D - 360,000 miles, 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 5.9 -
> 180,000, and a 2008 Ford Escape V-6 with 133,000 miles).  I use Mobil
> Delvac dino in the two 617s (18 years now and counting), Valvoline Max in
> the Dodge, and Mobil 1 synthetic in the Ford, which has started to leak
> from the valve cover gaskets.  As I've told other "believers", if something
> works for you, then don't change regardless of anyone else's opinion,
> including mine.
> Best Wishes,
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Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?

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zimmermann and balo are still german as is mercedes.  if you get the coated
zim or balo, you are basically at the latest mercedes spec but they are not
OEM as mercedes finishes their own rotors in house.  those are probably the
only 3 i sell anymore, with a slight bias for zimmermann but i don't have
any sort of real reason for that

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> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 09:43:04 -0400 Gary Hurst via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  cause chinese garbage is fun!
>>>
>>
>> So which brands are not chinese garbage?
>>
>
> I don't mind Chinese garbage, as long as I don't pay much more than $1/lb
> for it. But I'm with Gary, if made in China carries the same price (like
> Vise-Grips), I'm not buying it.
>
> Is Balo still good?
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Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?

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i can't say they are definitive bad products but when they went chinese
without dropping the prices, well, i didn't feel any need to think about
them anymore.  if they are going to go chinese and not pass on any of the
savings to the end user, then what kind of people are they?

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
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> On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:34:45 -0400 Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
>
> > zimmermann, balo and mercedes are not chinese.  the rest all are.  i
> > usually sell the zimmermann or balo coated versions
> >
> > i don't see why one would prefer chinese blanks finished in china vs
> > italian blanks finished in germany, but i'm always happy to be
> > enlightened
>
> I think people buy the other brands out of ignorance because at one time
> they were indeed German products. That's why I asked which were good
> brands.
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Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?

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cause chinese garbage is fun!

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> A new front brake disc is around $48 from the dealer. You can buy cheaper
> ones, but in a critical system why would you cut corners?
>
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> > On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
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> > My 83 300TD.  The car shudders in the rear when I brake.  I also need a
> front sunroof seal (manual s/r).  Where can I get an OEM seal that will
> work?
> >
> >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> >> Did you check the dealer? When you factor shipping in they might be
> cheaper. What vehicle is this for?
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
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> >> > On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> >> > Bosch, Bremo, or Ate.  What's the difference?  Bosch is noticeably
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Re: [MBZ] OIL THREAD

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i've heard this leak story comes from experiences with gen 1 mobil 1 from
the 70s, when it was true and that it is simply repeated as gospel ever
since.  the idea that pouring a quart of mobil 1 in by accident will
magically open up your seals strikes me as fairly preposterous

i'll generally use mobil 1 in a car unless the car is losing a lot of oil
(say a quart ever 250 miles or more).  this is not because i feel it does
anything to create or exacerbate leakage but just because it costs more

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> I used M1 exclusively in my 79TD (350K miles when sold in 2006) and 82SD
> (240K miles, still own) with no leakage from the oil seals.
>
> > -Original Message-
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> > rogerhga--- via Mercedes
> > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:02 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Subject: [MBZ] OIL THREAD
> >
> > Dwight,
> >  If your 617 has very many miles, I'd get the synthetic stuff out
> ASAP.  In my
> > experience (and I know others drool over synthetic), it will make your
> front
> > and rear main seals start leaking.  BTDT.  I keep synthetic away from
> both of
> > my 617s.  I still use Mobil, just the dino 15x40.
> > Best Wishes,
> > Roger
> > Roger Hale
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> > Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] Brake rotors - does brand matter?

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

why would these be your 3 considerations?

they are each chinese blanks finished in china, so i wouldn't be bothering
with any of them

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> Bosch, Bremo, or Ate.  What's the difference?  Bosch is noticeably cheaper.
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Re: [MBZ] OIL THREAD

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it's hard to see why it wouldn't be.  it really is just oil, but one is
just an improved molecule.  no?




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> Yes just checked Exxon Mobil  & it's OK.
> On Sep 27, 2014 5:10 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <
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> > Shouldn't be a problem.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OIL THREAD

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yes, you can mix and match all you want

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> Can Mobil 1 be added  without harm to an OM 617 that has conventional oil
> in it?  I mistakenly added about a quart & a half to my CD. I plan  to
> change it soon but wondering if I can drive it a few hundred miles with
> this 'blend".
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Re: [MBZ] The Diesel Story

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andy said no such thing!


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> Meh, Andy Kaufmann said those guys are fakes.
>
> Max Dillon,
> Charleston SC
>
> On Sep 23, 2014 2:22 PM, "Gary Hurst via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGoQWNElahg
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Re: [MBZ] Kent says SVO is junk

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the veggie oil guys i knew all ended up with vehicular trouble.  no such
thing as free lunch, perhaps

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wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4E28hDgXCw&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs
>
> So, there is really an issue with using veggie oil, as it gums up the
> engine/injectors.  That explains how you shorten the life of a Benz by
> running crap fuel sources.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] The Diesel Story

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGoQWNElahg

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> http://hackaday.com/2014/09/23/retrotechtacular-the-diesel-story
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Re: [MBZ] Head of world chess says he was abducted by aliens and that chess is an aliens game

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i only know my namesake, kasparov.  before then only bobby fisher.  i guess
i'm not a big fan

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:57 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
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>
> Has anyone kept up with a chess tournament in St. Louis where a top player
> has demolished other top players in an amazing series of wins?
>
>
> http://www.theweekinchess.com/chessnews/events/2nd-sinquefield-cup-2014/caruana-wins-the-sinquefield-cup-with-two-rounds-to-spare-but-allows-carlsen-to-escape-with-a-draw
>
>
> http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/fabiano-caruana-is-doing-the-impossible-at-chesss-most-competitive-tournament/
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabiano_Caruana
>
> Matches where the world champ is defeated by another grandmaster are
> interesting, but this is unheard of.
> 
>
> Here is another interesting situation in current world chess:
>
> "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov – who controls world chess (FIDE) - claims to have
> been abducted by aliens.  He was re-elected in the battle for control of
> world chess."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsan_Ilyumzhinov
>
> Ilyumzhinov has drawn world-wide attention for claiming personal contact
> with aliens, alleging that they took him on a mystical tour of the galaxy
> in their spaceship in 1997.[6][7] A Chess Notes feature article by Edward
> Winter provides a comprehensive collection of Ilyumzhinov's own words on
> his alleged encounters with aliens.
>
> " President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov tells of his invitation to an alien
> spaceship":
>
> ‘It happened on 17 September, I remember, in Moscow; it happened in my
> apartment.
>
> ... I was taken from my apartment in Moscow and taken to this
> spaceship, and we went to some star. After that I asked “Please bring me
> back” because the next day I should be back in Kalmykia, to Elista, and go
> to the Ukraine. They said, “No problem Kirsan you have time.”
>
> They are people like us. They have the same mind, the same vision. I
> talked with them. I understand we are not alone in this whole world. We are
> not unique.
>
> I am not a crazy man ... but after that when I gave the first
> interview to Radio Freedom in Russia five years ago thousands, not
> hundreds, thousands of people wrote me letters and called me on the phone
> saying “Kirsan, you are a politician and you aren’t afraid to speak about
> it.” From the United States every year, it is an official statistic, more
> than four thousand people are contacted in such a way. My theory is that
> chess comes from space. Why? Because the same rules, 64 squares, black and
> white, and the same rules in Japan, in China, in Qatar, in Mongolia, in
> Africa. The rules are the same. Why? I think it seems maybe it is from
> space."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsan_Ilyumzhinov
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11026510/Garry-Kasparov-loses-battle-for-control-of-world-chess-to-alien-abductee.html
>
> ...
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The 10 Happiest Countries

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toltecs are the bomb, man

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 6:56 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The locals are fairly content in Central America.   Honduras and Nicaragua
> have been unhappy for ages.  El Salvador has increase joy since the
> military has backed down, but gangs are a problem.  Guatemala has had
> issues, but even in the middle of a crap storm, the locals are generally
> content.  Genetic predisposition from my experience.  Not the street level
> gangster warriors the Aztecs were.  Mayans, for some reason, have a
> Buddhist balance of the universe air about them.
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2014, at 12:40 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
> > Yes, somebody must be lying.  I thought the reason why all those children
> > from Guatemala and El Salvador were crossing our border was because those
> > and other countries in Central America were such Hell holes...
> >
> > Max Dillon,
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Sep 20, 2014 3:10 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
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> >>
> >> Spoiler alert:  USA is no. 14
> >>
> >> Some in the top 10 I found hard to believe.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The 10 Happiest Countries

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i can't believe the USA scored nearly that high

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> Spoiler alert:  USA is no. 14
>
> Some in the top 10 I found hard to believe.
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> http://www.care2.com/greenliving/the-top-10-happiest-countries.html
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Re: [MBZ] Window Regulator Replacement

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i thought it would turn out the way it has for you for exactly why you s ay
it did

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> an MB.  2 - W140s, 1 - R129, 1 - W124.
>
> I can understand the concerns about the W140s from the time of the
> original 'Q, but enough time has passed that there is so much information
> out there in DIYLand that it's made the repairs much more accessible.  Half
> the battle is knowing what to expect.
>
> I was showing the S420 to a friend last night and he was amazed at the
> condition for the age and mileage, as well as the cost.  "I need to go out
> and buy some old Mercedes', too!" he said.  I quickly cautioned him that
> while they were fairly inexpensive to maintain, if he had to pay someone he
> would be better off buying a new car.
>
> I just put in a new window regulator (>$50 from FLAPS) and a lumbar
> bladder in the driver's seat (about $35 from dealer) this afternoon.  Total
> time for the labor, maybe an hour, and that's stretching it.  Under $80 for
> the parts.
>
> Last thing to do is to sort out the rear sunshade, which has decided to
> stop in the up position.  This is a common failure mode which requires
> removal of the shade and motor.  No parts needed, just some cleaning and
> tweaking to the motor.  Back seat and parcel shelf have to come out, which
> will not be fun.  This will be an ordeal, which is why I did the regulator
> and lumbar bladder first.  Ge the easy stuff out of the way.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> > Original Message
> > From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 12:35 PM
> > To: Mercedes List
> > Reply To: Dan Penoff
> > Subject: [MBZ] Window Regulator Replacement
> >
> >
> >> Gawd, I love these cars
> >
> >
> > Really?
> >
> > Do you have any domestic, or Asian auto's left?
> >
> > Prices on 123s and 124s seem really high compared to 140s and 210s. ‎
> >
> > Rick
> > Who forgot to ad the list as a recipient to his other reply.
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Re: [MBZ] Window Regulator Replacement

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i'm sure you recall how back when we met the talk was how the 140s were the
death of DIY and how they'd never reach into old age on account of it?

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> under $50 in parts from FLAPS and maybe 30 minutes of work.
>
> Even though they're riveted in place on the W140s they're easy peasey to
> replace.
>
> Gawd, I love these cars
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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

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you can get lynched for that kinda talk in most of 'merka, boy

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:30:17 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
>  wrote:
>
> > I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the
> > barbarism that is ISIS?
>
> I am not saying that we should.
>
> If you read my email, you would have seen, more than once, the phrase,
> "do our fighting for us."
>
> That should have been a clue to my position. Yes, the Muslims, when they
> do all that the Koran says, are a viscious lot and not the "religion of
> peace."
>
> It is a right and proper thing to use military force, in conjunction with
> other nations, to stop the barbarism, but we cannot take short-cuts and
> expect others to do our fighting for us, particularly Muslims against
> their bretheren.
>
> The only way for true peace in the mid-East, however, is for all to
> acknowledge the Prince of Peace and turn to Him for forgiveness and
> cleansing. All other methods will ultimately be futile. Unfortunately,
> our nation is turning away from Him and forgetting what made it great.
> If we continue, we likewise will have problems.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

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fight fight fight
fight fight fight

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> As civilized humans it is our duty to recognize deadly threats and respond
> with suitable deadly force to preserve both ourselves and civilization.
> That is a basic human right given by our Creator [insert your own religious
> belief here, or not] that has survived every advance and decline of
> humanity.
>
> It is so basic it has nothing to do with "raging militarist", in my humble
> opinion.
>
> Having lived among the muslim world for more than a decade, I understand
> the culture of violence that encapsulates, perhaps better than others.
> FWIW, isis can only be crushed for civilization to survive where ever isis
> touches.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Grant...
>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the
> > barbarism that is ISIS?
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL
> > > > By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)
> > >
> > > Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton.
> > >
> > >
> > > > We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the
> > > > most heavily-defended complex in history.  I was confident that the
> > > > campaign was over, that it had been won and that the war was finally
> > > > ending as we departed Hanoi for the last time.
> > > >   
> > > > During the following two years, however, after US forces had
> withdrawn,
> > > > Congress gave away what had been so dearly won.
> > >
> > > And we are about to get into another situation like Vietnam and
> > > Afghanistan. Years ago, we trained the mujhadeen in Afghanistan to
> fight
> > > for us. What did that get for us? Hardened adversaries using our
> weapons
> > > and training against us.
> > >
> > > In Syria, training and supplying the rebels to do our fighting for us
> has
> > > all the hallmarks of both Vietnam and Afghanistan. With as loose and
> > > convoluted things are among the Muslim in the mid-East, it is very
> likely
> > > the weapons we provide will be used against our troops or Israeli
> troops.
> > >
> > > In trying to take a "short cut" for a quick, easy solution -- "no
> > > American boots on the ground" -- we are setting ourselves up for even
> > > more long-term grief in the mid-East.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Even North Vietnam’s military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, agreed
> > > > with me  “What we still don’t understand is why you Americans
> > > > stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec ‘72).  If you had pressed us a
> > > > little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to
> > > > surrender!  It was the same at the battle of TET in ’68.  You
> defeated
> > > > us!  We knew it, and we thought you knew it.  But we were elated that
> > > > your media was helping us.  They were causing more disruption in
> > > > America than we could on the battlefields.  We were ready to
> > > > surrender.  You had won!” General Giap merely confirmed what many
> > > > Americans already knew.  The Vietnam War was not lost on the
> > > > battlefields in Vietnam — it was lost at home by public opinion and
> > > > given away by Congress.
> > >
> > > And there it is. The media were and still are against the best
> interests
> > > of the American people. They are only interested in keeping themselves
> > and
> > > their cronies in power.
> > >
> > >
> > > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT Beef liver (was Re: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71)

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

my rifle round is 8mm mauser.  i like big bore stuff and like to be
different. i would use this weapon on cow hunts

if i had to go into a firefight with an affordable weapon, i'd like a
chinese AK-47, 7.62x39, with some loaded up 30 round clips.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:50 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Recipes?  What is your preferred caliber for harvesting cows?  Calves?
>
> Max Dillon,
> Charleston SC
> Pushing it again, lighten up people!
>
> On Sep 17, 2014 12:18 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > If I had to choose between tripe and beef liver I would really stress
> out.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] FW: Daimler

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

he played for the bears, right?

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
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>
> I stand by my whimsey.
> D. Sayers.
>
> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
>
> > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:25:18 -0500
> > To: psf...@earthlink.net; mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Daimler
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >
> > I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer
> > preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB
> > buyer. We are indeed, a relatively "odd" lot . . . .
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Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

my kid loves tripe and eats it by the pound

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
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> Tripe.  I love that word.
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:17 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I guess I should be more specific & more permissive. I would like to stop
> > what you call political tripe & not apple trees or BMW.  Yes I can delete
> > IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to.
> DAN-
> > Mr moderator What do you say?
> > On Sep 16, 2014 10:05 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> ‎Original Message
> >> From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:23 PM
> >> To: Hendrik and Fay; Mercedes Discussion List
> >> Reply To: Dwight Giles
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
> >>
> >>> I  AM trying to stifle discussion that is not >MB or car related and
> is
> >>> just political rants of any persuasion.  I >joined this  list in 2002
> for
> >>> Mercedes content.  Rant off.
> >>
> >> While not car related, I do enjoy occasional apple tree discussions,
> >> woodworking discussions, tractor discussions, generator discussions,
> etc.
> >> There is a vast wealth of knowledge here on this list and to limit the
> >> topics to Mercedes only would be stifling to the transference of
> >> intelligence and information to all. I could live without the occasional
> >> political tripe, but I overlook it, because of the abundance of good
> >> intellectual conversation on other subjects.
> >> ‎
> >> I need to finish cleaning out my garage, so I can work on these old
> >> Mercedes, and buy some parts from Jabba. (MB content.)
> >>
> >> Rick
> >> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
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Re: [MBZ] Daimler

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i think i said something like that initially

sometimes i wonder if i really am the great communicator

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
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> What Dimitri said!
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:15 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Times change, cars change. If Mercedes would build a 240D in this day
> and age it would become the laughing stock of auto manufacturers. However,
> something in the spirit of a 240D might work. Simple, really well built and
> economical. Volkswagen kind of does it with the Jetta diesel. Why can't
> Mercedes do it with a C class or CLA or B?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> and the amzing thing is that for all the talk of people wanting that
> here,
> >> you'd hardly sell any if you did
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ha, good response.
> >>>
> >>> As much as we'd like them to put 240D's back into production and sell
> them
> >>> for $18,000, I don't think its going to happen.
> >>>
> >>> Jaime
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer
> >>>> preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new
> MB
> >>>> buyer. We are indeed, a relatively "odd" lot . . . .
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I suspect there was considerable "leakage" of junk gizmo flashy crap
> >>> into
> >>>>> Mercedes from Chrysler.  The new cars are NOT like the old ones,
> rather
> >>>>> tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in
> >>>> failure.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> OK Don
> >>>>
> >>>> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US
> citizens!
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> >>> who
> >>>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
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> >>>> for themselves."
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Re: [MBZ] Daimler

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

and the amzing thing is that for all the talk of people wanting that here,
you'd hardly sell any if you did


On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
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> Ha, good response.
>
> As much as we'd like them to put 240D's back into production and sell them
> for $18,000, I don't think its going to happen.
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer
> > preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB
> > buyer. We are indeed, a relatively "odd" lot . . . .
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I suspect there was considerable "leakage" of junk gizmo flashy crap
> into
> > > Mercedes from Chrysler.  The new cars are NOT like the old ones, rather
> > > tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in
> > failure.
> > >
> > > And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> >
> > NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
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> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Daimler

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

yes, that is exactly what it is, don, and not a conspiracy of chrysler
gizmoization, probably engineered by obama and the illuminati

jaime once brought a benz engineer to my pool and he explained it to me

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer
> preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB
> buyer. We are indeed, a relatively "odd" lot . . . .
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I suspect there was considerable "leakage" of junk gizmo flashy crap into
> > Mercedes from Chrysler.  The new cars are NOT like the old ones, rather
> > tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in
> failure.
> >
> > And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Shotgun

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

there really aren't any for you as a private seller

the gun range will often sell it as a consignment for you if you liek that
more

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> Father in law had a shotgun.  Don't know more than that at this point.
> Mother in law wants to sell it.  She's bringing it over to me this weekend
> to dispose of it.
>
> I know nothing of the regulations/laws regarding such things.  Where
> should I start?
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Re: [MBZ] Old crash pics

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i got hit pretty hard once in a 115 by a late model nissan maxima and the
115 could still be driven after, albeit with an obliterated driver's side

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> I thought w115s were tough??!!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Sep 14, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Scroll down the comments for some of an old Benz wrapped around a pole.
> Scary stuff
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: N

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i think it's because poos won't go with kleb and i to sarasota to kill that
dog!

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> Do you think that those in the media have an anti-gun/anti-self defense
> bias?
> Naw, that just couldn't be……..
> AT
>
> On Sep 13, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Scott Ritchey  wrote:
>
> Has anyone else noticed that when a citizen uses a gun to prevent or stop a
> crime there is zero press coverage except (sometimes) at the local level
> (and, interestingly some foreign press).  But when a gun is used to commit
> a
> crime there is persistent National coverage in the electronic and print
> media.   An intellectually honest person would want to know the degree that
> our perceptions are being warped by this shadow "Ministry of Truth."   For
> example, how many Newtowns were stopped or prevented by armed citizens or
> armed security personnel?
>
> For those that don't know, concealed carry permit/license holders are some
> of the most law-abiding people in the country.  It varies by state, but
> most
> states require extensive criminal and psychological background checks to
> obtain a carry permit/license.
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Re: [MBZ] FYI eBay spring compressor

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

you'd think he'd have learned his lesson with rusty cars

On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Poos is too busy with his rusty 140
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 13, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >
> > poos won't go with us  :(
> >
> >> On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> Yes we should.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Sep 13, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > me, you and kleb need to go to sarasota on a fact finding mission.
> maybe
> >> > even kill leona helmsley's dog while there
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> That;s interesting, as I was looking at one of these a few weeks ago
> and
> >> >> noticed that "El Paso Tools" was in the same ZIP code as Baum
> (they're not
> >> >> far from me in Sarasota, FL).  I was wondering if this was a "back
> door"
> >> >> for Baum to sell in the consumer space.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sounds like it is
> >> >>
> >> >> Dan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sep 13, 2014, at 12:19 PM, John Reames via Mercedes <
> >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I ordered a spring compressor from "El Paso Tools" (alkyracer101).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It arrived in a box sealed with "Baum Tools Unlimited"
> paper/filament
> >> >> tape.  Inside the box was a heavy-gauge blow-molded case also
> bearing "Baum
> >> >> Tools Unlimited" labels.  Inside the case, the instructions were
> packed in
> >> >> a ziploc bag; the instructions also agreed with the branding.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I believe that it's safe to presume that the tool is a Baum product,
> >> >> albeit at less than 1/4 of Baum's direct sales cost.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The tool itself appears to be of good quality; the center column
> uses a
> >> >> three lug design to hold the lower plate in place and prevent
> rotation, not
> >> >> unlike the Klann model, but I believe that the lugs are larger than
> the
> >> >> Klann ones.  The top end has a conical tapered section to hold the
> top
> >> >> plate in place and six lugs, not unlike a spline to prevent rotation.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The center column has ball bearing type thrust bearing.  This
> explains
> >> >> the note that use of power/impact tools would void the warranty,
> since the
> >> >> ball bearing would quickly develop brinelling.  The inner/lower
> "sleeves"
> >> >> are prevented from rotating by several square lugs that ride in
> grooves.
> >> >> The upper section has grooves that are cut all the way through, which
> >> >> permits re-lubrication of the screw (which has a trapezoidal type
> thread
> >> >> instead of the square or even triangular threads as are found on
> cheaper
> >> >> units).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The screw itself looks to have a black oxide or similar finish,
> with the
> >> >> rest of the center column looks like it has been parkerized with a
> black
> >> >> finish.  It looks like the top end of the tool is possibly a little
> larger
> >> >> in diameter than the Klann unit that I rented from Rusty a while back
> >> >> (based on my memory of how it felt in my hand)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The plates look to be a lighter grey parkerized finish, and are
> nice and
> >> >> thick; there are two different sizes of plates, just like the Klann.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Overall weight of the tool set in its case is close to 15 lbs.  I
> >> >> definitely feel safe in using it; I am almost tempted to replace a a
> >> >> cracked LCA and ball joints in a W210 despite the rain, but I am not
> going
> >> >> to for safety reasons.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'll let y'all know how 

Re: [MBZ] FYI eBay spring compressor

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

poos won't go with us  :(

On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes we should.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 13, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > me, you and kleb need to go to sarasota on a fact finding mission.  maybe
> > even kill leona helmsley's dog while there
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That;s interesting, as I was looking at one of these a few weeks ago and
> >> noticed that "El Paso Tools" was in the same ZIP code as Baum (they're
> not
> >> far from me in Sarasota, FL).  I was wondering if this was a "back door"
> >> for Baum to sell in the consumer space.
> >>
> >> Sounds like it is
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sep 13, 2014, at 12:19 PM, John Reames via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I ordered a spring compressor from "El Paso Tools" (alkyracer101).
> >>>
> >>> It arrived in a box sealed with "Baum Tools Unlimited" paper/filament
> >> tape.  Inside the box was a heavy-gauge blow-molded case also bearing
> "Baum
> >> Tools Unlimited" labels.  Inside the case, the instructions were packed
> in
> >> a ziploc bag; the instructions also agreed with the branding.
> >>>
> >>> I believe that it's safe to presume that the tool is a Baum product,
> >> albeit at less than 1/4 of Baum's direct sales cost.
> >>>
> >>> The tool itself appears to be of good quality; the center column uses a
> >> three lug design to hold the lower plate in place and prevent rotation,
> not
> >> unlike the Klann model, but I believe that the lugs are larger than the
> >> Klann ones.  The top end has a conical tapered section to hold the top
> >> plate in place and six lugs, not unlike a spline to prevent rotation.
> >>>
> >>> The center column has ball bearing type thrust bearing.  This explains
> >> the note that use of power/impact tools would void the warranty, since
> the
> >> ball bearing would quickly develop brinelling.  The inner/lower
> "sleeves"
> >> are prevented from rotating by several square lugs that ride in grooves.
> >> The upper section has grooves that are cut all the way through, which
> >> permits re-lubrication of the screw (which has a trapezoidal type thread
> >> instead of the square or even triangular threads as are found on cheaper
> >> units).
> >>>
> >>> The screw itself looks to have a black oxide or similar finish, with
> the
> >> rest of the center column looks like it has been parkerized with a black
> >> finish.  It looks like the top end of the tool is possibly a little
> larger
> >> in diameter than the Klann unit that I rented from Rusty a while back
> >> (based on my memory of how it felt in my hand)
> >>>
> >>> The plates look to be a lighter grey parkerized finish, and are nice
> and
> >> thick; there are two different sizes of plates, just like the Klann.
> >>>
> >>> Overall weight of the tool set in its case is close to 15 lbs.  I
> >> definitely feel safe in using it; I am almost tempted to replace a a
> >> cracked LCA and ball joints in a W210 despite the rain, but I am not
> going
> >> to for safety reasons.
> >>>
> >>> I'll let y'all know how well it works after I get those jobs done.  I
> >> think it's a heck of a good buy at about $150 shipped!
> >>>
> >>> -j.
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] FYI eBay spring compressor

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

me, you and kleb need to go to sarasota on a fact finding mission.  maybe
even kill leona helmsley's dog while there

On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That;s interesting, as I was looking at one of these a few weeks ago and
> noticed that "El Paso Tools" was in the same ZIP code as Baum (they're not
> far from me in Sarasota, FL).  I was wondering if this was a "back door"
> for Baum to sell in the consumer space.
>
> Sounds like it is
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2014, at 12:19 PM, John Reames via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I ordered a spring compressor from "El Paso Tools" (alkyracer101).
> >
> > It arrived in a box sealed with "Baum Tools Unlimited" paper/filament
> tape.  Inside the box was a heavy-gauge blow-molded case also bearing "Baum
> Tools Unlimited" labels.  Inside the case, the instructions were packed in
> a ziploc bag; the instructions also agreed with the branding.
> >
> > I believe that it's safe to presume that the tool is a Baum product,
> albeit at less than 1/4 of Baum's direct sales cost.
> >
> > The tool itself appears to be of good quality; the center column uses a
> three lug design to hold the lower plate in place and prevent rotation, not
> unlike the Klann model, but I believe that the lugs are larger than the
> Klann ones.  The top end has a conical tapered section to hold the top
> plate in place and six lugs, not unlike a spline to prevent rotation.
> >
> > The center column has ball bearing type thrust bearing.  This explains
> the note that use of power/impact tools would void the warranty, since the
> ball bearing would quickly develop brinelling.  The inner/lower "sleeves"
> are prevented from rotating by several square lugs that ride in grooves.
> The upper section has grooves that are cut all the way through, which
> permits re-lubrication of the screw (which has a trapezoidal type thread
> instead of the square or even triangular threads as are found on cheaper
> units).
> >
> > The screw itself looks to have a black oxide or similar finish, with the
> rest of the center column looks like it has been parkerized with a black
> finish.  It looks like the top end of the tool is possibly a little larger
> in diameter than the Klann unit that I rented from Rusty a while back
> (based on my memory of how it felt in my hand)
> >
> > The plates look to be a lighter grey parkerized finish, and are nice and
> thick; there are two different sizes of plates, just like the Klann.
> >
> > Overall weight of the tool set in its case is close to 15 lbs.  I
> definitely feel safe in using it; I am almost tempted to replace a a
> cracked LCA and ball joints in a W210 despite the rain, but I am not going
> to for safety reasons.
> >
> > I'll let y'all know how well it works after I get those jobs done.  I
> think it's a heck of a good buy at about $150 shipped!
> >
> > -j.
> >
> > --
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Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

you should try to ride on the beach down here

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I ride all year around here, I like the summer warmth.  3.5mi down to the
> beach, a mile or two on the beach, then back, clears the head and gets the
> blood flowing.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 9/11/14 6:42 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> summer are brutal for riding.  i really only ride about 6 or 7 months a
>> year down here.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  In Washington DC summers, a man on a bike can only go about three blocks
>>> before bursting into flame.  It is even worse than down here in the Low
>>> Country.
>>>
>>> Max Dillon,
>>> Charleston SC
>>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2014 5:01 PM, "ernest breakfield via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> just ride easier.
>>>>  that kind of distance is an easy twiddle of the pedals; i do
>>>> further
>>>>
>>> than that in work clothes frequently (albeit not in a full suit), even
>>> when
>>> i have meetings, and don't arrive significantly sweatier or any less
>>> presentable than i usually am,...
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle (was: Re: Testing Prius)

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

summer are brutal for riding.  i really only ride about 6 or 7 months a
year down here.

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> In Washington DC summers, a man on a bike can only go about three blocks
> before bursting into flame.  It is even worse than down here in the Low
> Country.
>
> Max Dillon,
> Charleston SC
>
> On Sep 11, 2014 5:01 PM, "ernest breakfield via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > just ride easier.
> > that kind of distance is an easy twiddle of the pedals; i do further
> than that in work clothes frequently (albeit not in a full suit), even when
> i have meetings, and don't arrive significantly sweatier or any less
> presentable than i usually am,...
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

it's the bottom feeders' lament

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 6:20 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
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> I would try any 3000+lbs car that had the following characteristics:
> 50+ mpg, exceptional repair record over time, back lid or door,
> large luggage deck space/volume, diesel cost per mile equivalent to
> gasoline cost per mile, large "installed base" (parts availability),
> comfortable ride, 2 motive power systems in case one fails, and effective
> rust/corrosion protection.
> Gerry
> P.S. It's interesting reading the criticisms about Prius' when it's
> obvious the critics want a Prius but can't or won't buy a Prius. [:o)
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:44:57 -0500
> OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > That's what I was going to say -- I've gotten 53 MPG on the road, wife
> gets
> > 35mpg in town. I love the DSG tranny - dual clutch trannys are cool ---
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Go test drive a Passat, or rent one. I had one last week in LA, great
> car.
> > > The only thing I dislike is the DSG (dual sport(?) gearbox) which a
> manual
> > > transmission posing as an auto. I just don't like the feeling of the
> > > shifts. I'm sure most people don't even notice.
> > >
> > > Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at
> > > $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is
> purported
> > > will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas
> for
> > > $10,000...
> > >
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> who
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i get these feelings of deja vu.  all over again

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> How could people live with themselves being such cows? I'd rather pull a
> Robin Williams.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On 9/8/14 4:42 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
> >> There are an excess of the blue ones roaming my roads.  Sometimes it
> looks like parade day on the freeway with them all lined up.  I think the
> placement of the Obama sticker or the stick figure family is the only way
> to tell one from the other
> >>
> >> clay
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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i doubt that


On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Do be aware that if you're looking for a Starbucks in central or southern
> GA, the only one you'll find is at a Krogers just off base of Warner-Robins.
>
> Dan who was jonesing for a mocha last week in the neighborhood
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:55 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > 'Saw some mighty fine-looking GA peaches when we lived in Warner Robins
> - the fruit was mighty good, too.  ;<)
> > One of 'em was our babysitter, who lived across the street - Miss GA,
> 1968 or '69.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > To: "Rich Thomas" ; "Mercedes
> Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 5:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
> >
> >
> >> the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area.  new jersey
> also
> >> has great peaches that aren't talked about enough.
> >>
> >> i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC
> peach
> >> will come from this region
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches.  0.5 mile round trip, a
> bit
> >>> over 3 minutes
> >>>
> >>> --R
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects.  She also
> wanted to
> >>>> do her annual peach canning session.  I figured out the fruit stand
> over
> >>>> the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to
> get her
> >>>> three boxes.   A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had
> fresh
> >>>> fruit on my corn flakes.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> clay
> >>>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

very possibly


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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area.  new jersey also
has great peaches that aren't talked about enough.

i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach
will come from this region


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> I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches.  0.5 mile round trip, a bit
> over 3 minutes
>
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> On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
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>> SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects.  She also wanted to
>> do her annual peach canning session.  I figured out the fruit stand over
>> the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her
>> three boxes.   A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh
>> fruit on my corn flakes.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] N

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costco is the best.  i don't care what his politics is.  people tell me
chick-fil-a must be banned because corporate policy hates gas . now i hear
costco is no good because they hate guns

i don't care.  i care how they do their job and both do it quite well.  i
boycott burger king, not chick-fil-a.  kirkland forever!


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> That's interesting.  I was there one day maybe a year or so ago, the guy
> in line ahead of me had a .45 in a holster on his belt, and did not look
> coppish or anything, just like a regular fat merkin good ol boy with his
> fat wife buying large quantities of fattening stuff.  I sorta wondered
> about that, but no one paid him any particular attention.  I think the
> thing to keep in mind is that Costco has plenty of stock, so there are not
> likely to be any fights over cheap DVD players or toilet paper bundles.
>
> But yeah, the guy who owns Costco is a commie pinko librull, but, hey, he
> treats me OK.  And the fruit is good.  And concealed is probably the way to
> go anyway...
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 9/8/14 10:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>  Now y'all can tell me I got the crappy Costco Michelins, which are
>>> different from the Michelins I would get down the road at the real tar
>>> shop.  But the real tire shop would use only 80% N, so Costco is 20% better
>>> in that regard.
>>>
>>
>> Costco hates human rights, especially those protected by the Second
>> Amendment to the Constitution. One guy, name of Erik Scott, was murdered
>> for not knowing this, on his initial visit to buy a Costco membership.
>>
>> I try to avoid Wal-Mart, but go there every fall to buy motor oil.
>> Costco, OTOH, I wouldn't patronize for anything.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Bad front end noise

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

moog is ok.  not quite TRW/lem but not nearly uro or ocap


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> popped off those joints.
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Re: [MBZ] Sure wish it was a diesel

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

250 becomes the 280 later in 114 run.



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> except for that 250
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> > Apart from the stupid bumpers, I like it.
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Re: [MBZ] nice 240D stick

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

cheap too!


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Maintain that Jetta

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

you should get a prius


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> had a new wheel bearing put into the front end and one noise went away
> which revealed another. It goes away when I put in the clutch, hmmm.
> I'd already planned on swapping the transmission/transaxle fluid again
> this year since what I took out last year was nasty. This year I decided on
> straight MTL, last year I'd used half MT-90 and half MTL but when it was
> very cold last winter the first couple shifts were quite stiff. Knowing
> that the VW stuff is very thin I figured the MTL wouldn't hurt anything.
>
> This is only a mildly unpleasant job on the Jetta, just a little worse
> than an oil change. The car gets jacked up, the belly pan comes off, loosen
> the filler first, then pull the drain. What came out didn't really resemble
> the nice red stuff I'd put in last year but unlike last year it didn't
> smell bad so I consider that an improvement. Interestingly I only got about
> a quart and a half out and the car should hold two full quarts.
>
> I'm kind of hoping the lack of fluid is the cause of the noise but I'm
> also preparing myself for a clutch...
>
> No time to test it today, gotta head over to the Dodge dealer, secret
> mission. :)
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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

it seems it was just a reading off the dash and not anything actually
physically measured

the jetta i'd want is about double that


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> Did you really get 49mpg or did the instant read tell you 49mpg?
>
> I think you'll find in only highway driving the mileage will go down
> significantly.
>
> Go test drive a Passat, or rent one. I had one last week in LA, great car.
> The only thing I dislike is the DSG (dual sport(?) gearbox) which a manual
> transmission posing as an auto. I just don't like the feeling of the
> shifts. I'm sure most people don't even notice.
>
> Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at
> $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported
> will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for
> $10,000...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> 
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> Subject: [MBZ] Testing Prius
>
>
> Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one.
> Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and
> city driving.  Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and
> visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly
> effective.  Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8
> or 10 years, it would be a good investment.
>
> That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason:  It rides rough
> and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every
> bump.  My old Beetles rode better.  A Mercedes seat would help but that
> might be difficult or impossible to install.
>
> My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel
> economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would
> satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be
> unpleasant and tiring.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

49 mpg!  wow

i rented a kia soul recently and really liked it


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> Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling
> was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving.
> Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was
> remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective.  Combined with
> its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a
> good investment.
>
> That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason:  It rides rough
> and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump.
> My old Beetles rode better.  A Mercedes seat would help but that might be
> difficult or impossible to install.
>
> My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy
> and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being
> pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook Pro S/W update kills it

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i would not get anything other than an SSD drive on any machine that i was
looking to upgrade if the OS will be on that upgraded drive


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> The beauty of an SSD in a laptop, besides making it blindingly fast, is
> the increase in battery life you get due to the decrease in power
> consumption.
>
> If it's a beater, I understand, but if you're going to keep it for a while
> and it gets used regularly an SSD is a good investment.
>
>
> Dan
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> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Sep 1, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I wondered about that, Rick Hawkins the macman suggests a basic 1TB
> Tosh, $60 from Amazon.  I'll just go with that, cheap enough.
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
> >> On 9/1/14 6:28 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I would avoid a hybrid drive, as they have had issues.
> >>
> >> Go with an SSD if you can deal with the lesser amount of space. It will
> make the machine scream.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
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> >>> On Sep 1, 2014, at 5:14 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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> >>> Looks like a Tosh or Seagate hybrid might be the way to go
> >>>
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> http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Solid-Hybrid-2-5-Inch-ST1000LM014/dp/B00B99JUBQ/ref=pd_cp_pc_0
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> >>> --R
> >>>
> >>>
>  On 9/1/14 4:23 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
>  So after an hour at the apple store and various incantations and
> application of Black Arts, the genii determined that the hard drive was
> going bad (wait, wait, I am detecting an incipient failure in the AE-435
> unit...) and the software update probably stressed it enough to pretty much
> make it so it did not want to work and boot and such.  They could not pull
> the one file off it I wanted, but suggested putting the drive in an
> external case might enable me to find and pull the file.  No big deal,
> about 1.5 hour of editing a doc, but still...  They did not charge me
> anything, that was nice.
> 
>  So I am going to get a 1TB drive and put it in, see if I can
> reanimate it.  They wanted $160 for a 500GB replacement, I think not.
> Should be able to do an internet OS load, if not the guy said I could come
> back in and they would do it all.
> 
>  If anyone has a particular suggestion for a good drive, please feel
> free to share.
> 
>  The machine is an early 2011 Macbook Pro 2.7GHz 4GB and an
> ebola-infected 500GB HD.  It had some flavor of 10.8 OS which looked like a
> panther of some sort.
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Re: [MBZ] Bilstein Shocks

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

many here only love the chinee knockoff of the "hey buddy" swindle.  you
can lead a horse to water, but if the beast decides to drown himself, what
can you do?


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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> I think a guy named Jabba sells them too, real cheepcheep and not chinee
> knockoffs.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 9/2/14 10:56 AM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> you can't go wrong with bilstein comfort/standard shocks in any case, so
>> they are probably the way to go for most people.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Agreed... My buddy put them in his 124 and Regretted it.  He thought the
>>> car was too soft and wanted it to ride like his modern BMW.
>>>
>>> In the end, the comfort shocks are much Stiffer than worn out originals.
>>>   You'll be satisfied.
>>>
>>> Jaime
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 2, 2014, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I put a set on the front of my former 1982 300SD and I regretted it
>>>> every
>>>> time I drove the car.
>>>>
>>>> I would advise against using the HDs under just about any circumstance.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>  On Sep 2, 2014, at 12:01 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>>>>>
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Feeling every pavement crack in your kidneys gets old pretty quick on
>>>>>
>>>> the interstate.
>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Bilstein Shocks

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

you can't go wrong with bilstein comfort/standard shocks in any case, so
they are probably the way to go for most people.


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> Agreed... My buddy put them in his 124 and Regretted it.  He thought the
> car was too soft and wanted it to ride like his modern BMW.
>
> In the end, the comfort shocks are much Stiffer than worn out originals.
>  You'll be satisfied.
>
> Jaime
>
>
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> > time I drove the car.
> >
> > I would advise against using the HDs under just about any circumstance.
> >
> > Dan
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> > Sent from my iPad
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Re: [MBZ] Bilstein Shocks

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i like everything stiff.  i like my food dry and well done.  i like whisky
straight with maybe a little ice.  etc


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>
>  Probably would, but how do you do "spirited" driving in a 240D? (g)
>>
> Gerry
>
>  Wouldn't the harder ones be better for "spirited" driving in the 240?
>>
>> --R  (I just kill myself sometimes...)
>>
>>
>> On 8/30/14 9:05 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> B-6s corner better but ride harder. B-4s have a softer more conventional
 OEM ride.  Mixing them front and rear didn't work well on my '83 240D.
 Will stick with B-4s all around for normal driving.
 Gerry

 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?
 1458607-Bilstein-B4-or-B6-shocks-Any-NOTICABLE-difference
 
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> Whats the difference between the B4 Bilstein and the more $$$
> Bilstein?  This is for a 1967 250S.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

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Patience, poos, patience
On Aug 23, 2014 11:35 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> If it's so great, why aren't you living there?
>
> Poos
>
> > On Aug 23, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >
> > it's only much of it where there are meth labs.  lakeland is an up and
> coming small city with a great downtown that will build a huge high tech
> corridor along I4.  it IS the future
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:43 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> Uh, right.
> >>
> >> I move to Lakeland for an hour commute one way and get meth lab and
> grow house neighbors.
> >>
> >> No thanks.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> > On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > you sh ould move to lakeland as there is plenty of room
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >> I don't really need it at this point, but if I could get it for $500
> I would jump on it.  The car has some potential for a decent driver but not
> a big money flip.  After I got the tank coated and the rest of the car
> cleaned up I could probably get $1500 for it around here.
> >> >>
> >> >> Any more than $500 and it's not worth the effort.  It will cost me
> $50 in gas just to tow it home.
> >> >>
> >> >> And, I have a car that I'm getting after Labor Day that's going to
> be occupying my time for a little while anyway.  Not enugh room in the
> driveway
> >> >>
> >> >> Dan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Geez poos just buy it already!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I'm thinking this guy is going to be back to me in a couple of
> weeks, ready to take $500 for this car
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I saw that he just updated the CL listing for it instead of
> creating a new listing.  Not a bright idea, as it will stay way, way down
> the list and not be current.  And he's asking $950, not $700 like he was
> earlier.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4587368673.html
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Car will start."
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Wow.  That gives me a lot of confidence.  I'll give him until
> after the Labor Day weekend.
> >> >> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

it's only much of it where there are meth labs.  lakeland is an up and
coming small city with a great downtown that will build a huge high tech
corridor along I4.  it IS the future


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> Uh, right.
>
> I move to Lakeland for an hour commute one way and get meth lab and grow
> house neighbors.
>
> No thanks.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >
> > you sh ould move to lakeland as there is plenty of room
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> I don't really need it at this point, but if I could get it for $500 I
> would jump on it.  The car has some potential for a decent driver but not a
> big money flip.  After I got the tank coated and the rest of the car
> cleaned up I could probably get $1500 for it around here.
> >>
> >> Any more than $500 and it's not worth the effort.  It will cost me $50
> in gas just to tow it home.
> >>
> >> And, I have a car that I'm getting after Labor Day that's going to be
> occupying my time for a little while anyway.  Not enugh room in the
> driveway
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Geez poos just buy it already!
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> >> On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> >> >>
> >> >> I'm thinking this guy is going to be back to me in a couple of
> weeks, ready to take $500 for this car
> >> >>
> >> >> I saw that he just updated the CL listing for it instead of creating
> a new listing.  Not a bright idea, as it will stay way, way down the list
> and not be current.  And he's asking $950, not $700 like he was earlier.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4587368673.html
> >> >>
> >> >> "Car will start."
> >> >>
> >> >> Wow.  That gives me a lot of confidence.  I'll give him until after
> the Labor Day weekend.
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Re: [MBZ] Chowdah Q

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i'd like stay a month or two at morristown


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> > I'd love to go, but timing is always bad.  My birthday is on the 11th,
> and
> > this year our second child is due on the 12th, pretty much making it
> > impossible to make it to future events.
> >
> > Can we just move the whole thing to Morristown, NJ?  I'll host!
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, August 19, 2014, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
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> > wrote:
> >
> >> Dimitri and I are thinking of bringing the Rhode Island version of
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

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you sh ould move to lakeland as there is plenty of room



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> I don't really need it at this point, but if I could get it for $500 I
> would jump on it.  The car has some potential for a decent driver but not a
> big money flip.  After I got the tank coated and the rest of the car
> cleaned up I could probably get $1500 for it around here.
>
> Any more than $500 and it's not worth the effort.  It will cost me $50 in
> gas just to tow it home.
>
> And, I have a car that I'm getting after Labor Day that's going to be
> occupying my time for a little while anyway.  Not enugh room in the
> driveway
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>
> > Geez poos just buy it already!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm thinking this guy is going to be back to me in a couple of weeks,
> ready to take $500 for this car
> >>
> >> I saw that he just updated the CL listing for it instead of creating a
> new listing.  Not a bright idea, as it will stay way, way down the list and
> not be current.  And he's asking $950, not $700 like he was earlier.
> >>
> >> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4587368673.html
> >>
> >> "Car will start."
> >>
> >> Wow.  That gives me a lot of confidence.  I'll give him until after the
> Labor Day weekend.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Chowdah Q

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

tell poos to pick me up in lakeland and we can drive up


On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> When is the chowdah q?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 19, 2014, at 7:58 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Ok- that would be great. But if logistics are a challenge don't worry
> > because it all starts out clear &  I can just not add milk to some. I
> went
> > clam digging last week with my new knee  & did fine. So I should be in
> good
> > shape for the Q.
> > On Aug 19, 2014 8:25 PM, "Jon Agne via Mercedes" 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Dimitri and I are thinking of bringing the Rhode Island version of
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> >> from NYC……he’ll be coming from Maine.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Reworked Web Site

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derby lane.  next week.  feel the pressure


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> Still looking for it.  I think the cart may have eaten it.  Or a mØØse,
> possibly?
>
> Dan going back out to finish the lawn
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2014, at 7:30 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > where's the picture of us at derby lane?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> > Take a look at my work in progress web site at www.meuxette.com
> >
> > The wife is away for a few days with her Mom, so I finally found some
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Re: [MBZ] Reworked Web Site

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where's the picture of us at derby lane?



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Re: [MBZ] Surrender

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we should go to derby lane next week  :P



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> Only problem is that it's not a $3k car.  Maybe when it's fully Martha'ed
> it might be a $1500 or $2000 car at best.
>
> I would love to do it but I really have my finances tied up with the
> youngster going back to school next week.  I might try and put him off for
> a week and then see.  My biggest concerns is the hassle of dealing with
> towing it home, and then having the garage tied up.
>
> Hmmm.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
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> On Aug 17, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Rich Thomas <
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> > Yeah go over there and offer him $500, get it running and flip it for
> $3k or so.
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Re: [MBZ] Surrender

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i'd like a car but i can't really use it here.  they are simply so
expensive to tag and insure.  in GA, you spend 50 bucks for a tag and then
400 a year to insure it.  it's different in FL


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> Remember the 1984 500SEL I was looking at?
>
> The guy got it running after I had told him there was no way it would go
> anywhere until the fuel tank was cleaned out.  He took my advice and
> drained the tank and cleaned the strainer, but did nothing more.
>
> After that he had someone on the hook who was looking at it for their son.
>
> I had offered him $700 for the car as-is, which he rejected, as the "new"
> potential buyers had offered him $900 after he had shared my offer with
> them.  Definitely a good negotiator here.
>
> Anyway, I left it at that and moved on.  That was easily 2-3 weeks ago.
>
> Got an email from him this morning saying I could have the car at my price
> ($700) as:
>
> "Well after 3 trips to my house and 2 friends of daves wife ( experts)
> they called this morning and said they were going to buy a KIA soul for
> their son. I have never had someone come and check out an car so much in my
> life.The car is doing what you said it would again. Sometimes it runs and
> then sometimes it acts like it has no gas. I'm tired of all of this if you
> want the car it is yours for $700. Please callme if you want the car."
>
> Tough beans, buddy.  I really want to counter with $500 now and see if he
> bites, but I don't have space for the car.  I would just flip it anyway, as
> I don't have a need for it.
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> Thoughts?
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Win7 SP1

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it's really incredible that anyone would put up with this windoze garbage.
 seems to have not improved one bit in 10 years


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> Macs rule!
>
> MacDann typing this from his 2006 Mac Pro with twin 20" Cinema Displays
> running Mavericks and editing his new web site with iWeb
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes <
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>
> > i'm using some windoze again after a decade with macs.  my advice is
> throw
> > that thing away as microsoft seems to have modeled itself after general
> > motors
> >
> >
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> >
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> stuff
> >> came with that, maybe I should have dug up my Windows disk and done a
> true
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> >>
> >> IIRC, I want service pack 1 installed on a Windows 7 computer?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Win7 SP1

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i'm using some windoze again after a decade with macs.  my advice is throw
that thing away as microsoft seems to have modeled itself after general
motors


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> IIRC, I want service pack 1 installed on a Windows 7 computer?
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[MBZ] my off topic word for the day

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

chromexcel

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Re: [MBZ] Fun Comparison

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i drove a 6.3 for a few years.  it's not that amazing by modern standards
but just shows how much cars sucked 40 years ago.  i also drove a euro
600SEL, the equivalent car of roughly 20 years ago and it made the 6.3 into
a joke

i imagine today's super performance cars are unreal and slightly above
average cars match up well to the 6.3


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> I recently came across an enthusiast's article about the 1970 Mercedes
> 300SEL 6.3.
> The numbers in the article sounded really familiar.  They were very close
> to the numbers of my 2006 E320 CDI.  So I looked specs of both cars and
> made this table:
>
> Year ~1970~2006
>
> Model 300SEL 6.3   E320 CDI
>
> Curb wt4035 lb3835 lb
>
> Wheel Base  112.8 in 112.4 in
>
> Length   196.9 in 189.7 in
>
> Width   71.3 in  71.3 in
>
> Height 57.9 in   57.0 in
>
> Engine  6.3 liter SI3.2 liter CI
>
> Type  DOHC V8  DOHC I6 Turbo
>
> Fuel  Gasoline Diesel
>
> Power   250 hp201 hp
>
> Torque 369 lb-ft   369 lb-ft
>
> Transmission4–spd auto5-spd auto
>
> 0 to 60   6.5 sec   6.6 sec
>
> ¼ mile 15.1 sec   15.3 sec
>
> Top Speed   137 mph  130 mph
>
> Fuel Mileage   ~ 15.2 mpg  27 city / 37 hwy mpg
>
> Hwy Range  410 mi on 27 gal740 mi on 20 gal
>
> Base Price   $14,500$51,050
>
> To Compare -
>
> Cost of a GTO   $3,500$30,000
>
> Many specifications of the two cars are strikingly similar.  They are a
> testament to how far automotive technology has advanced in 36 years.  The
> 1970 model was an exotic super car.  The 2006 diesel was near the bottom of
> the E class line, and is used frequently as a taxi.  I'm sure most of the
> performance specs are disputable.  But I stuck as much as possible with the
> manufacturer's claims.
>
> To compare values and reduce the affect of inflation, I compared the prices
> with to those of my favorite muscle car - Pontiac GTO.  The 1970 300SEL 6.3
> cost 4X the price of a contemporary GTO.  The 2006 CDI cost only about 1.7X
> the price of its contemporary GTO.
>
> The comparison may or may not be significant.  But it seems reasonable and
> is fun.
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Re: [MBZ] What a day...

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i like VWs and have for a very long time


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> I'm not feeling any love for VWs here.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Craig via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 08:15:49 -0700 Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> > > All in all a simple oil change took just over 4 hours...
> >
> > It's frustrating when that happens, but congratulations on getting it all
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Re: [MBZ] Test 4

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

dan does a great job.  really has transformed this list


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> Gerry
>
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> On 8/1/2014 8:59 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>
>>
>> test 4
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Re: [MBZ] New W211

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

why not daewoo?


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> Well, I've placed a deposit on an '07 E320 Bluetec with a scant 36k miles.
> Car is in Oklahoma City and I have the logistics worked out to go fetch it,
> with the exception of talking Kaleb into buying my S420. Hint, hint. Free
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Re: [MBZ] OT I am so angry

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shops gouge you.  depending on how busy they are and who he talks to, that
same job is 400 instead of 1200.  i guess the microecoomist calls this
"price discrimation".  you get what you can and that is different from
everyone

there is someone who will do this job for less than half and do it well
enough.  he's just gotta go talk to people to find it


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> The boy in DC has been driving the 98 Cad.  Calls me the other day and
> says the brake light has come on, brakes are a bit mushy, so I tell him to
> take it to a shop.  He does that today.  They give him a quote of $703.  I
> call and talk to the guy.  $80 for rear pads (I put new ones on the front
> not that long ago, they are like $20 a set). $88x2 for rear rotors which
> may be sorta reasonable, fluid and flush for $139, and $227 for labor.
>  Their labor rate was for 1.7hr.  $48 for "shop fees" which includes rags
> and brake cleaner, a standard charge.  Total BS.  I guess that sorta adds
> up with taxes and such.  Reluctantly after going over the fluid/flush
> number (how hard is that?) I tell them to go ahead since he needs the car
> and has no time to deal with this stuff and the car has not required a lot
> of work over the years, so whatever.
>
> So then they call him and say there is a problem with the a brake line
> leaking.  I am thinking maybe a flex line.  I call them back, the guy says
> a front hard line is cracked or something and is leaking, which is why the
> pedal was soft.  I ask what that will cost, he tells me the total is now
> $1228.  Over $500 to replace a hard line?  WTF???  So I tell the guy that
> seems quite excessive, a line is maybe $30 and how long to replace it?
>  $500 labor to replace a line?  Then he tells me, well, you know, we have
> to do flairs, and those are hard to get right, then there is
> blahblahblah  I tell him to move the car out, my son will come get it
> and take it somewhere else.  Then he starts in, "Well if you don't want
> quality work done that's your choice" and I hang up.
>
> I am just so angry at these guys trying to screw over customers who are
> sorta over a barrel.  The brake line thing is probably BS too but what are
> you gonna do?  My wife had a patient who worked for a dealer as a mech, and
> then for an indy, he would tell her these stories about how they would
> "find" problems and jack the prices up, then do nothing to the car but
> charge for it.  He said it was just standard behavior on all these guys he
> had ever run across.  He finally quit and does work for people on the side,
> cash, and said he was making OK money and happy he was doing the right
> thing.
>
> So anyway I told him to go find a Sears or a Midas or something to do the
> brake job, how hard can that be and it won't be anywhere near $1200.  I
> know, Midas and Sears, but  Hell I could ship my tools and fly up there
> and still be like $800 ahead.
>
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Re: [MBZ] test e0azyhep

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

not even for me?


On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:59:36 -0400 Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Gary,
> > >
> > > That being the case, Gerry's only option is to find another ISP or do
> > > what most people appear to be doing if they don't want to change
> >
> > He could always go to gmail as suggested, or I'd give him a
> > mitchellhaley.com address, or I suspect Craig would give him a mailbox
> > at pisquared.net
>
> I'm not in a position to set up a separate mailbox for someone else.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] test e0azyhep

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i'm confident i can do it better than kleb does


On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Gary,
>
> In order to moderate you've got to be able to manage the back end, too.
>
> I did a fair amount of research and found many, many complaints with
> similar issues origination with Embarq and their parent, Synacor. These are
> the companies that host Gerry's mail servers.
>
> There are issues with their SMTP servers and how they are handling
> traffic, forcing recipient domains to have to set up SPFs to be able to
> accept mail from them.
>
> This, I suspect, is the reason why Gerry's emails are continuously bounced
> by Okiebenz regardless of the list management settings.  There are no
> settings or "filters" we can change. It's not the list or it's domain that
> are the problem - it's Gerry's ISP.
>
> That being the case, Gerry's only option is to find another ISP or do what
> most people appear to be doing if they don't want to change - set up mail
> relaying through a free service like GMail.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jul 29, 2014, at 3:30 AM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think what gerry means to ask is why I am not a moderator as you are
> > perpetually asleep at the wheel.  It seems a great question to me.
> > On Jul 28, 2014 10:56 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> There are no filters that I am going to adjust. They have already been
> >> adjusted.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Since it looks like Kaleb is too busy to adjust the filters on the
> >> Mercedes List; (or he might not want to since they may be related to
> other
> >> type problems for other members); I'll be signing off the list for a
> while.
> >>>
> >>> If I don't get back on the list, many thanks to all who have helped me
> >> with diagnosis, repair, and friendship.
> >>>
> >>> Gerry
> >>>
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>>>> On 7/28/2014 7:50 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>>> On 7/28/2014 7:10 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> test
> >>>>
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Re: [MBZ] test e0azyhep

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

I think what gerry means to ask is why I am not a moderator as you are
perpetually asleep at the wheel.  It seems a great question to me.
On Jul 28, 2014 10:56 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There are no filters that I am going to adjust. They have already been
> adjusted.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Since it looks like Kaleb is too busy to adjust the filters on the
> Mercedes List; (or he might not want to since they may be related to other
> type problems for other members); I'll be signing off the list for a while.
> >
> > If I don't get back on the list, many thanks to all who have helped me
> with diagnosis, repair, and friendship.
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> On 7/28/2014 7:50 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> On 7/28/2014 7:10 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
> >>> test
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime! A Poor Widow Needs Help!

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i bought my navigation system at the gay thrift shop.  it's pretty nice and
used to be on a ship.  it's brass and was in a wood box but i took it out
of the box


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
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> Hi Tom,
>
> The COMAND system in that car was a bit outdated even in 2007, but is still
> reliable and stable.  And, a huge advantage:  Becker Autosound can service
> and repair the components at a reasonable price.  I think the high end
> logic7 sound system is outstanding as well.
>
> Updated maps are still available for the Navi and it works well.
>
> Get the phone system and you can get a BT cradle that works with modern
> phones.
>
> Overall, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a car with one.
>
> Jaime
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 27, 2014, Tom Savage  wrote:
>
> > Jaime, I need help, too!
> >
> > I have my eye on a low mileage Okie E320 Bluetec, 2007.  I have paid zero
> > attention to the goings on of the electronics/Comand/nav systems of the
> > newer cars. Is there anything to be concerned about or is the system
> > solid?  What about upgradability?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> > It turns out 140s do rust, after all
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT:home speakers

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i insulted some guys from rhode island yesterday, one of whom used to pitch
for the red sox


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Anybody willing to drive to Rhode Island for some nice 1990s stereo
>> speakers ought to take a look at this for $70.
>>
>>
> Sorry, bad link.
> They were listed at 125, no bids, then 110, then 100, 95, 90, and now  $70.
> Looks like the seller is desperate to get rid of them.
> http://search.ebay.com/261545481717
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