Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

I really love my VW Beetle TDI. There is now a fix for the 2009-2014 TDI’s, so 
there will be plenty from which to choose once the previously bought back 
models hit the market  
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 8:08 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'll see what I can do for ya'll about the pictures...
> 
> I understand what you mean about the appliance feel.  I'm not crazy about 
> leaving the MB family...
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
>> On 12/10/2017 7:30 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> Larry sez:
>> 
>>> ‎I might look for >Camry/Avalon/Maxima/Accord and be >done with it...
>> After driving German iron for how many years? You will not be pleased with 
>> appliance like feel of a Japanese car. Go with a W210, the consensus seems 
>> to be they are fine cars. 2001 or 2002 with low miles, and Bob's your uncle.
>> 
>> BTW, is there any way a neighbor kid or someone can take a picture of the 
>> rusted pieces of your W124? I know I'd like to see the damage, and I suspect 
>> several others here would too.
>> 
>> Rick
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

I'll see what I can do for ya'll about the pictures...

I understand what you mean about the appliance feel.  I'm not crazy 
about leaving the MB family...


LarryT


On 12/10/2017 7:30 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Larry sez:


‎I might look for >Camry/Avalon/Maxima/Accord and be >done with it...

After driving German iron for how many years? You will not be pleased with 
appliance like feel of a Japanese car. Go with a W210, the consensus seems to 
be they are fine cars. 2001 or 2002 with low miles, and Bob's your uncle.

BTW, is there any way a neighbor kid or someone can take a picture of the 
rusted pieces of your W124? I know I'd like to see the damage, and I suspect 
several others here would too.

Rick
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Might try a Jetta or Passat diesel. Fine automobiles EPA be dammed.

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Larry Turner via 
Mercedes wrote:   Yep,  still have the 911.  
Unfortunately, I haven't driven it since Nov. 
2016 and I sorely miss it.  My wife feels like I won't come back if I 
drive it.  I have fallen asleep at the wheel once when she was a 
passenger and awakened me before we hit anything. I am sentimentally 
attached to it, but she will not consider me selling it. she knows how 
much I longed for one (for ~35 years) and can't ear the thought of 
selling it.

A dichotomy if there ever was one.   I was taking Dilaudid when I fell 
asleep that one time and no longer take it but I plan to talk to my 
anesthesiologist to see if there's something we can do to prevent that 
happening again.

Would love to fly again but I'd never pass the physical.

Please don't think I'm going to be out on the highways terrorizing 
others.  I know when I am safe and when I'm not...

Thanks for the great car advice - I might look for a 
Camry/Avalon/Maxima/Accord and be done with it...  although I like the 
sounds of the W210 and its reliability..

Larry

On 12/10/2017 5:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> Larry, do you still own/drive a 911?
>
> I understand the lower miles - we are both retired - the 2013 F150 has 8000
> miles, and the year old Subaru has 3500 miles now! Ok course, what would be
> highway miles are put on the Cessna instead:-)
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Curt,
>>
>> Good point.  Now that we are both "retired" the miles driven have fallen
>> significantly.  And like you said, distances are much shorter
>>
>> Larry
>>
>
>


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

  
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Might try a Jetta or Passat diesel. Fine automobiles EPA be dammed.

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Larry Turner via 
Mercedes wrote:   Yep,  still have the 911.  
Unfortunately, I haven't driven it since Nov. 
2016 and I sorely miss it.  My wife feels like I won't come back if I 
drive it.  I have fallen asleep at the wheel once when she was a 
passenger and awakened me before we hit anything. I am sentimentally 
attached to it, but she will not consider me selling it. she knows how 
much I longed for one (for ~35 years) and can't ear the thought of 
selling it.

A dichotomy if there ever was one.   I was taking Dilaudid when I fell 
asleep that one time and no longer take it but I plan to talk to my 
anesthesiologist to see if there's something we can do to prevent that 
happening again.

Would love to fly again but I'd never pass the physical.

Please don't think I'm going to be out on the highways terrorizing 
others.  I know when I am safe and when I'm not...

Thanks for the great car advice - I might look for a 
Camry/Avalon/Maxima/Accord and be done with it...  although I like the 
sounds of the W210 and its reliability..

Larry

On 12/10/2017 5:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> Larry, do you still own/drive a 911?
>
> I understand the lower miles - we are both retired - the 2013 F150 has 8000
> miles, and the year old Subaru has 3500 miles now! Ok course, what would be
> highway miles are put on the Cessna instead:-)
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Curt,
>>
>> Good point.  Now that we are both "retired" the miles driven have fallen
>> significantly.  And like you said, distances are much shorter
>>
>> Larry
>>
>
>


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

  
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Seems like MB would have required premium for a reason.
> 
> 

I thought the reason was that it hurt the catalyst to retard the timing that 
much. About 10kmi after I started running my 1999 on 87 octane, MPG took a drop 
and never came back. Now that I think about it, that might also be about the 
same time I put new high performance tires on it.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

DAIMLER CHRYSLER bowties and bean counters.  (heavy on the the Chrysler) 
  Those cars are gussied up dodges with better safety features and lots 
of electronics toys.



Larry Turner via Mercedes 
December 10, 2017 at 10:42 AM
Thanks Gang,

A couple more questions please, Is it a problem that affects all 
3.0L V6 Turbo's of that vintage?  If so I would hope it would create a 
Recall (he said hopefully) ;-)


Also - we looked at a 99 300D TD which also has a 3.0L V6 Turbo 
although the 99 was a lot quicker.  The 99 had around 125K Mi on it 
(the 09 has ~101K Mi)


I guess the important thing is to see if either has had the seals 
replaced, right?


If all the 3.0L V6 Turbo engines need this massive maintenance job , 
that would seem like a irresponsible way to build engines wouldn't 
it?  Or maybe it's profit driven?  I know a lot of profit comes from 
the service bays...  but that doesn't sound like MB


So, should I look for a pool of oil under the car - or is that in 
the future?


Larry



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, no, nothing of significance.  And I keep 
very detailed records on my cars, so I would know it.  Definitely less than a 
mile per gallon, maybe half a mile if that.

-D


> On Dec 10, 2017, at 7:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Any mileage drop?
> 
> 
> On 12/10/2017 6:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Agreed.  However, I’ve been watching this experiment very, very closely, and 
>> for the life of me I can't find anything detrimental about it so far.
>> 
>> -D
>> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Any mileage drop?


On 12/10/2017 6:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Agreed.  However, I’ve been watching this experiment very, very closely, and 
for the life of me I can't find anything detrimental about it so far.

-D


On Dec 10, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Seems like MB would have required premium for a reason.


On 12/10/2017 6:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The 2002 E320 has been running on regular unleaded for at least three months.  
Minor drop in economy, otherwise no noticeable effects according to the driver.

Todd (Knutson) says he’s been running his fleet of 4-5 W210s for several years 
on regular unleaded without issues.

I have to believe if you don’t drive them with your foot in the floor it 
shouldn’t be an issue.  With the double plug setup it is smart enough to adjust 
timing for ideal operation, as it appears to be doing.

-D

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Most modern car engines have "knock" sensors that listen for detonation,
and retard the timing to stop it. Premium fuel allows you to run it a full
power at the high compression ratios they now build without detonating.
When you run regular in it, the timing has to be retarded to prevent
burning holes in the pistons when you stomp it. If you drive it slowly all
the time, it might not ever need to retard the timing. YMMV.

When we bought the Subaru, I did a bunch of research through the various
reporting agencies, and came to the conclusion that it was the most
reliable, safe, and lowest maintenance cost new car available in my price
range. It's build quality is about on par with the VW Passat it replaced,
but below the 124's, 126 and even the 163 MBs. I might try to retrofit MB
seats into it someday after the warranty expires and I'm bored.

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Agreed.  However, I’ve been watching this experiment very, very closely,
> and for the life of me I can't find anything detrimental about it so far.
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 10, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Seems like MB would have required premium for a reason.
> >
> >
> > On 12/10/2017 6:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> The 2002 E320 has been running on regular unleaded for at least three
> months.  Minor drop in economy, otherwise no noticeable effects according
> to the driver.
> >>
> >> Todd (Knutson) says he’s been running his fleet of 4-5 W210s for
> several years on regular unleaded without issues.
> >>
> >> I have to believe if you don’t drive them with your foot in the floor
> it shouldn’t be an issue.  With the double plug setup it is smart enough to
> adjust timing for ideal operation, as it appears to be doing.
> >>
> >> -D
>
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>


-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed.  However, I’ve been watching this experiment very, very closely, and 
for the life of me I can't find anything detrimental about it so far.

-D

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seems like MB would have required premium for a reason.
> 
> 
> On 12/10/2017 6:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> The 2002 E320 has been running on regular unleaded for at least three 
>> months.  Minor drop in economy, otherwise no noticeable effects according to 
>> the driver.
>> 
>> Todd (Knutson) says he’s been running his fleet of 4-5 W210s for several 
>> years on regular unleaded without issues.
>> 
>> I have to believe if you don’t drive them with your foot in the floor it 
>> shouldn’t be an issue.  With the double plug setup it is smart enough to 
>> adjust timing for ideal operation, as it appears to be doing.
>> 
>> -D

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Seems like MB would have required premium for a reason.


On 12/10/2017 6:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The 2002 E320 has been running on regular unleaded for at least three months.  
Minor drop in economy, otherwise no noticeable effects according to the driver.

Todd (Knutson) says he’s been running his fleet of 4-5 W210s for several years 
on regular unleaded without issues.

I have to believe if you don’t drive them with your foot in the floor it 
shouldn’t be an issue.  With the double plug setup it is smart enough to adjust 
timing for ideal operation, as it appears to be doing.

-D



On Dec 10, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

How long have these folks been running it on regular?

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 10, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Youngest son has decided, with my blessing, to run regular unleaded in his 
W210.  He’s on a pretty tight budget so it makes a difference for him.

While it’s strictly anecdotal, a number of W210 owners whose opinions I trust 
say they’ve been running regular unleaded without issue and with minimal 
performance or economy losses.  The records I’m keeping would indicate the same.

Kaleb might have some insight on this as well?

-D


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Larry sez:

>‎I might look for >Camry/Avalon/Maxima/Accord and be >done with it...  

After driving German iron for how many years? You will not be pleased with 
appliance like feel of a Japanese car. Go with a W210, the consensus seems to 
be they are fine cars. 2001 or 2002 with low miles, and Bob's your uncle.

BTW, is there any way a neighbor kid or someone can take a picture of the 
rusted pieces of your W124? I know I'd like to see the damage, and I suspect 
several others here would too.

Rick
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The 2002 E320 has been running on regular unleaded for at least three months.  
Minor drop in economy, otherwise no noticeable effects according to the driver.

Todd (Knutson) says he’s been running his fleet of 4-5 W210s for several years 
on regular unleaded without issues.

I have to believe if you don’t drive them with your foot in the floor it 
shouldn’t be an issue.  With the double plug setup it is smart enough to adjust 
timing for ideal operation, as it appears to be doing.

-D


> On Dec 10, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How long have these folks been running it on regular?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Youngest son has decided, with my blessing, to run regular unleaded in his 
>> W210.  He’s on a pretty tight budget so it makes a difference for him.
>> 
>> While it’s strictly anecdotal, a number of W210 owners whose opinions I 
>> trust say they’ve been running regular unleaded without issue and with 
>> minimal performance or economy losses.  The records I’m keeping would 
>> indicate the same.
>> 
>> Kaleb might have some insight on this as well?
>> 
>> -D


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

You can always buy my 2016 Chevy.
Just had the oil changed at the dealer with the GM synthetic stuff, so it's 
maintenance free for the next 7000 miles. 

Direct injection, so it's kind of like a CDI with spark plugs. 
IIRC it's rated 31 city, 42 hwy. If it's over 50 degrees out, gets about 50mpg 
at 50mph. Should be a bit better if you go with an aftermarket tune and premium 
gas. Next best car I've ever owned was more like 45mpg at 45mph. 

Change the oil every 7500 or whenever the dash indicator tells you to, change 
the trans fluid every 25k (not on the factory maintenance schedule but I'd do 
it every 25k), change the brake fluid every couple of years, spark plugs every 
50k, coolant in another 4 years...how's a diesel lower maintenance than that?

Mitch.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Lol, well a 642 will be anything but easy to diagnose. A very complicated 
engine. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 5:27 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the advice, Dan,
> 
> I understand.  Also you read my health situation correctly. No DIY for me 
> if I can help it.  I did enjoy doing a couple of minor things with my wife 
> helping me.  But it will be better if our next vehicle doesn't need any work.
> 
> I think my wife would probably go for a '02 if I can find one.  I don't 
> really dislike gassers, it's just that they require so much more maintenance 
> that diesels...   Plus, diesels are so super simple to diagnose.
> 
> Thanks again, Larry
> 
> Decisions, decisions, decisions...
>> On 12/10/2017 3:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Larry,
>> 
>> I struggled with similar decision recently when I wanted to simplify my car 
>> situation.  When I crunched the numbers trying to stick with a diesel, even 
>> a W210 or later, didn’t work out financially - that is, it wasn’t any 
>> cheaper, and given the miles per year I expect to drive, there was little to 
>> no benefit in doing so.
>> 
>> Unless you’re really looking for a later model, the last of the W210 
>> chassis’ cars, which would be 2001/2002, are a fantastic value for what they 
>> cost as well as operating costs.  You’ve heard me talking about looking for 
>> things to do to my cars and not being able to find anything - that is truly 
>> the case with the W210 cars.  They are simply a “gas and go” sort of car.  
>> Based on your health situation as you’ve described, it certainly doesn’t 
>> sound like you’re looking for DIY stuff, at least not anything of 
>> significance.
>> 
>> Call me a W210 evangelist, but I’m really,. really pleased with mine and am 
>> amazed at how well they run with just basic maintenance.  There are still 
>> plenty of them around and while I don’t require it, they’re easy and 
>> accessible for a qualified mechanic to work on from what I see and hear in 
>> places lie the W210 Benzworld forums.
>> 
>> My 2002, which is driven almost exclusively on short trips, averages around 
>> 22 mpg on regular unleaded.  My 98 wagon averages 23 mpg with about a 60/40 
>> mix of surface streets and highway.  Both have been super reliable and easy 
>> to maintain when I do need to do something to them.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Curt,
>>> 
>>> Good point.  Now that we are both "retired" the miles driven have fallen 
>>> significantly.   And like you said, distances are much shorter
>>> 
>>> Larry
>>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

How long have these folks been running it on regular?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Youngest son has decided, with my blessing, to run regular unleaded in his 
> W210.  He’s on a pretty tight budget so it makes a difference for him.
> 
> While it’s strictly anecdotal, a number of W210 owners whose opinions I trust 
> say they’ve been running regular unleaded without issue and with minimal 
> performance or economy losses.  The records I’m keeping would indicate the 
> same.
> 
> Kaleb might have some insight on this as well?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan sez:
>> 
>>> averages around 22 mpg on regular >unleaded
>> 
>> It doesn't require premium...? 
>> I'm suddenly becoming more interested in owning one...
>> 
>> Rick
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Yep,  still have the 911.  Unfortunately, I haven't driven it since Nov. 
2016 and I sorely miss it.  My wife feels like I won't come back if I 
drive it.  I have fallen asleep at the wheel once when she was a 
passenger and awakened me before we hit anything. I am sentimentally 
attached to it, but she will not consider me selling it. she knows how 
much I longed for one (for ~35 years) and can't ear the thought of 
selling it.


A dichotomy if there ever was one.   I was taking Dilaudid when I fell 
asleep that one time and no longer take it but I plan to talk to my 
anesthesiologist to see if there's something we can do to prevent that 
happening again.


Would love to fly again but I'd never pass the physical.

Please don't think I'm going to be out on the highways terrorizing 
others.  I know when I am safe and when I'm not...


Thanks for the great car advice - I might look for a 
Camry/Avalon/Maxima/Accord and be done with it...  although I like the 
sounds of the W210 and its reliability..


Larry

On 12/10/2017 5:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Larry, do you still own/drive a 911?

I understand the lower miles - we are both retired - the 2013 F150 has 8000
miles, and the year old Subaru has 3500 miles now! Ok course, what would be
highway miles are put on the Cessna instead:-)

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Thanks Curt,

Good point.  Now that we are both "retired" the miles driven have fallen
significantly.   And like you said, distances are much shorter

Larry







___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

The w210 is the last of the idea that parts should be sourced locally and were 
built by the same folks that put the w124 and w140 together.  By the time the 
w220 rolled around, the bean counters had decided to go lowest cost.  Cutting 
corners resulted in crap cars.  W220 uses chinese parts, not quality providers. 
  At least the koreans were working hard to make a better car, unlike DBAG.   
The time at chrysler seems to have made for disposable cars that are only good 
for leasing, but not for ownership beyond the junk warrantee.  

I only ever looked at the w210 as a replacement for my w124, and the quality 
drop was very obvious to me in comparison.  May have been due to owners of the 
diesel 210 just drove them into the ground.  The w220 seemed to have a higher 
standard of build, but time showed that it was all smoke and mirrors, as the 
plastic parts were low quality, the move to low cost fabrics and leather, as 
well as craptacular electronics, seals the coffin.   The w201s I find at PnP 
are better built than any of the newer examples of mercedes, from the C class, 
E class and MLs that pollute the yards now.



clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Dec 10, 2017, at 1:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Given your love for the 210, and having owned a 220, since they are basically 
> the same vintage what is your thought on why the 210 is good and the 220 is a 
> turd?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Larry,
>> 
>> I struggled with similar decision recently when I wanted to simplify my car 
>> situation.  When I crunched the numbers trying to stick with a diesel, even 
>> a W210 or later, didn’t work out financially - that is, it wasn’t any 
>> cheaper, and given the miles per year I expect to drive, there was little to 
>> no benefit in doing so.
>> 
>> Unless you’re really looking for a later model, the last of the W210 
>> chassis’ cars, which would be 2001/2002, are a fantastic value for what they 
>> cost as well as operating costs.  You’ve heard me talking about looking for 
>> things to do to my cars and not being able to find anything - that is truly 
>> the case with the W210 cars.  They are simply a “gas and go” sort of car.  
>> Based on your health situation as you’ve described, it certainly doesn’t 
>> sound like you’re looking for DIY stuff, at least not anything of 
>> significance.
>> 
>> Call me a W210 evangelist, but I’m really,. really pleased with mine and am 
>> amazed at how well they run with just basic maintenance.  There are still 
>> plenty of them around and while I don’t require it, they’re easy and 
>> accessible for a qualified mechanic to work on from what I see and hear in 
>> places lie the W210 Benzworld forums.
>> 
>> My 2002, which is driven almost exclusively on short trips, averages around 
>> 22 mpg on regular unleaded.  My 98 wagon averages 23 mpg with about a 60/40 
>> mix of surface streets and highway.  Both have been super reliable and easy 
>> to maintain when I do need to do something to them.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Curt,
>>> 
>>> Good point.  Now that we are both "retired" the miles driven have fallen 
>>> significantly.   And like you said, distances are much shorter
>>> 
>>> Larry
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks for the advice, Dan,

    I understand.  Also you read my health situation correctly. No DIY 
for me if I can help it.  I did enjoy doing a couple of minor things 
with my wife helping me.  But it will be better if our next vehicle 
doesn't need any work.


    I think my wife would probably go for a '02 if I can find one.  I 
don't really dislike gassers, it's just that they require so much more 
maintenance that diesels...   Plus, diesels are so super simple to 
diagnose.


    Thanks again, Larry

Decisions, decisions, decisions...
On 12/10/2017 3:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Larry,

I struggled with similar decision recently when I wanted to simplify my car 
situation.  When I crunched the numbers trying to stick with a diesel, even a 
W210 or later, didn’t work out financially - that is, it wasn’t any cheaper, 
and given the miles per year I expect to drive, there was little to no benefit 
in doing so.

Unless you’re really looking for a later model, the last of the W210 chassis’ 
cars, which would be 2001/2002, are a fantastic value for what they cost as 
well as operating costs.  You’ve heard me talking about looking for things to 
do to my cars and not being able to find anything - that is truly the case with 
the W210 cars.  They are simply a “gas and go” sort of car.  Based on your 
health situation as you’ve described, it certainly doesn’t sound like you’re 
looking for DIY stuff, at least not anything of significance.

Call me a W210 evangelist, but I’m really,. really pleased with mine and am 
amazed at how well they run with just basic maintenance.  There are still 
plenty of them around and while I don’t require it, they’re easy and accessible 
for a qualified mechanic to work on from what I see and hear in places lie the 
W210 Benzworld forums.

My 2002, which is driven almost exclusively on short trips, averages around 22 
mpg on regular unleaded.  My 98 wagon averages 23 mpg with about a 60/40 mix of 
surface streets and highway.  Both have been super reliable and easy to 
maintain when I do need to do something to them.

-D







On Dec 10, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

Thanks Curt,

Good point.  Now that we are both "retired" the miles driven have fallen 
significantly.   And like you said, distances are much shorter

Larry



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It does require premium. You can get by with regular every now and then but if 
you run it on regular all the time it will start running like crap after a 
while. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan sez:
> 
>> averages around 22 mpg on regular >unleaded
> 
> It doesn't require premium...? 
> I'm suddenly becoming more interested in owning one...
> 
> Rick
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Youngest son has decided, with my blessing, to run regular unleaded in his 
W210.  He’s on a pretty tight budget so it makes a difference for him.

While it’s strictly anecdotal, a number of W210 owners whose opinions I trust 
say they’ve been running regular unleaded without issue and with minimal 
performance or economy losses.  The records I’m keeping would indicate the same.

Kaleb might have some insight on this as well?

-D

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan sez:
> 
>> averages around 22 mpg on regular >unleaded
> 
> It doesn't require premium...? 
> I'm suddenly becoming more interested in owning one...
> 
> Rick
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

HA! I understand that too well. I kept fooling with 240Ds long after I should 
have moved on...
-Curt
 

On Sunday, December 10, 2017, 5:07:52 PM EST, OK Don  
wrote:  
 
 Now, now - we're talking buying old used Mercedes here - rational decision 
making is not necessarily a part of the process. A Diesel can be a purely "I 
love the technology of compression ignition" - not "I want great fuel economy 
and long engine life". If he want's a Diesel car, he should get one. I do 
sorely miss having a Diesel - and if I wasn't into building airplanes now, I'd 
be in the market for an old Mercedes Diesel myself.
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Larry for the amount you drive a gasser probably makes more sense than a 
diesel, it's hard on a diesel not being driven hard regularly. Don't be afraid 
of a gasser, Dwight has one and likes it.

Curt




-- 
OK Don
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts.” – Mark Twain
"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who 
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for 
themselves."

WILL ROGERS, The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers
2013 F150, 18 mpg2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! 
 
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Larry, do you still own/drive a 911?

I understand the lower miles - we are both retired - the 2013 F150 has 8000
miles, and the year old Subaru has 3500 miles now! Ok course, what would be
highway miles are put on the Cessna instead:-)

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks Curt,
>
> Good point.  Now that we are both "retired" the miles driven have fallen
> significantly.   And like you said, distances are much shorter
>
> Larry
>



-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Now, now - we're talking buying old used Mercedes here - rational decision
making is not necessarily a part of the process. A Diesel can be a purely
"I love the technology of compression ignition" - not "I want great fuel
economy and long engine life".
If he want's a Diesel car, he should get one. I do sorely miss having a
Diesel - and if I wasn't into building airplanes now, I'd be in the market
for an old Mercedes Diesel myself.

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Larry for the amount you drive a gasser probably makes more sense than a
> diesel, it's hard on a diesel not being driven hard regularly. Don't be
> afraid of a gasser, Dwight has one and likes it.
>
> Curt
>



-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan sez:

>averages around 22 mpg on regular >unleaded

It doesn't require premium...? 
I'm suddenly becoming more interested in owning one...

Rick
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The W220 is a lot more electronic, I think.  It’s clearly not designed or 
engineered as well as the W210, in my opinion, nor is it as DIY friendly as the 
W210.

Again, these are only my opinions based on a fairly small sample.  I personally 
don’t care for the W220 body style, either.

The W220 isn’t a bad car if you’ve got the stuff to work on it (DAS).  Without 
the diagnostic software, you’re pretty much screwed if you have to get into it 
in any depth.  Granted, that can also be the case with the transmission on the 
W210, but not the rest of the car’s systems.

My W220 was 100% fine for the short time I owned it.  I just never got 
comfortable with it due to concerns about a major system like the Airmatic 
crapping out and costing me a couple thousand dollars to make it right - 
DIY’ing it.  Heaven forbid I would have to pay someone to work on it.

I'm making suppositions, but assuming Larry isn’t looking for a car to have to 
wrench on or send to the shop on a regular basis, the W210 make a lot of sense 
if he buys a good one that’s been properly cared for.

-D
 
> On Dec 10, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Given your love for the 210, and having owned a 220, since they are basically 
> the same vintage what is your thought on why the 210 is good and the 220 is a 
> turd?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Given your love for the 210, and having owned a 220, since they are basically 
the same vintage what is your thought on why the 210 is good and the 220 is a 
turd?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Larry,
> 
> I struggled with similar decision recently when I wanted to simplify my car 
> situation.  When I crunched the numbers trying to stick with a diesel, even a 
> W210 or later, didn’t work out financially - that is, it wasn’t any cheaper, 
> and given the miles per year I expect to drive, there was little to no 
> benefit in doing so.
> 
> Unless you’re really looking for a later model, the last of the W210 chassis’ 
> cars, which would be 2001/2002, are a fantastic value for what they cost as 
> well as operating costs.  You’ve heard me talking about looking for things to 
> do to my cars and not being able to find anything - that is truly the case 
> with the W210 cars.  They are simply a “gas and go” sort of car.  Based on 
> your health situation as you’ve described, it certainly doesn’t sound like 
> you’re looking for DIY stuff, at least not anything of significance.
> 
> Call me a W210 evangelist, but I’m really,. really pleased with mine and am 
> amazed at how well they run with just basic maintenance.  There are still 
> plenty of them around and while I don’t require it, they’re easy and 
> accessible for a qualified mechanic to work on from what I see and hear in 
> places lie the W210 Benzworld forums.
> 
> My 2002, which is driven almost exclusively on short trips, averages around 
> 22 mpg on regular unleaded.  My 98 wagon averages 23 mpg with about a 60/40 
> mix of surface streets and highway.  Both have been super reliable and easy 
> to maintain when I do need to do something to them.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Curt,
>> 
>> Good point.  Now that we are both "retired" the miles driven have fallen 
>> significantly.   And like you said, distances are much shorter
>> 
>> Larry
>> 
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We probably don't need two diesels, Angie's commute is only 10 miles one way, 
her car is definitely under-utilized but it was a good deal...
-Curt
 

On Sunday, December 10, 2017, 3:26:02 PM EST, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks Curt,

Good point.  Now that we are both "retired" the miles driven have fallen 
significantly.   And like you said, distances are much shorter

Larry


On 12/10/2017 2:14 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Larry for the amount you drive a gasser probably makes more sense than a 
> diesel, it's hard on a diesel not being driven hard regularly. Don't be 
> afraid of a gasser, Dwight has one and likes it.
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>  
>    On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Larry Turner via 
>Mercedes wrote:  Thanks!
>
>      Since it caused a Fire Risk wouldn't it be eligible  for a Federal
> Recall? Isn't that what recalls are for?  (BTW, I'm not giving you a
> hard time, just trying to understand.)
>
>      Hmm - with this added (and much appreciated) information we may
> have to consider another car.  I would hate to do that because it's so
> hard to find MB Diesels around here (~Richmond, Va) . Have been looking
> for almost a week and only came up with 2 - the 99 and the 09.    My
> wife has suffered with old cars for a long time and is digging her heels
> in at nothing older than a '00. Not too big a demand since that might be
> 18 yrs old.  ;-)  If the 09 is a non-starter I may have to  start
> considering Camrys and Accords!
>
>      Course, since I may have to consider a gasser maybe i can find a MB
> gasser?
>
>      Does anyone know if the ~'09 (I'll also look for 05 and 06) gasser
> MB engines have the same oil cooler seal problems?
>
>      Thanks again!  Ya'll have provided such great info over the years -
> you have saved me buckets of $$'s!  ;-)
>
> LarryT
>
>
> On 12/10/2017 12:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote
>>> On December 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Gang,
>>>
>>>        A couple more questions please, Is it a problem that affects all
>>> 3.0L V6 Turbo's of that vintage?  If so I would hope it would create a
>>> Recall (he said hopefully) ;-)
>> Hard to say 'it caused a risk of fire, and it had less than 200,000 miles on 
>> it'. I'd assume the average failure point is way beyond MBZ's responsibility.
>>
>> The 94-99 E300Ds were OM606, that's the OM603 from the 87 300D and the 86-87 
>> SDL, but with a 24v head on it. The 98-99 cars were turbocharged and 
>> intercooled, the last and the best of the indirect injection engines.
>> And the earliest CDIs (05-06) were also inline 6, I don't know if they share 
>> any architecture with the 603.
>>
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>>
>>
>
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>    
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

  
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Larry,

I struggled with similar decision recently when I wanted to simplify my car 
situation.  When I crunched the numbers trying to stick with a diesel, even a 
W210 or later, didn’t work out financially - that is, it wasn’t any cheaper, 
and given the miles per year I expect to drive, there was little to no benefit 
in doing so.

Unless you’re really looking for a later model, the last of the W210 chassis’ 
cars, which would be 2001/2002, are a fantastic value for what they cost as 
well as operating costs.  You’ve heard me talking about looking for things to 
do to my cars and not being able to find anything - that is truly the case with 
the W210 cars.  They are simply a “gas and go” sort of car.  Based on your 
health situation as you’ve described, it certainly doesn’t sound like you’re 
looking for DIY stuff, at least not anything of significance.

Call me a W210 evangelist, but I’m really,. really pleased with mine and am 
amazed at how well they run with just basic maintenance.  There are still 
plenty of them around and while I don’t require it, they’re easy and accessible 
for a qualified mechanic to work on from what I see and hear in places lie the 
W210 Benzworld forums.

My 2002, which is driven almost exclusively on short trips, averages around 22 
mpg on regular unleaded.  My 98 wagon averages 23 mpg with about a 60/40 mix of 
surface streets and highway.  Both have been super reliable and easy to 
maintain when I do need to do something to them.

-D






> On Dec 10, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Curt,
> 
> Good point.  Now that we are both "retired" the miles driven have fallen 
> significantly.   And like you said, distances are much shorter
> 
> Larry
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks Curt,

Good point.  Now that we are both "retired" the miles driven have fallen 
significantly.   And like you said, distances are much shorter


Larry


On 12/10/2017 2:14 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Larry for the amount you drive a gasser probably makes more sense than a 
diesel, it's hard on a diesel not being driven hard regularly. Don't be afraid 
of a gasser, Dwight has one and likes it.

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
  
   On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:   Thanks!


      Since it caused a Fire Risk wouldn't it be eligible  for a Federal
Recall? Isn't that what recalls are for?  (BTW, I'm not giving you a
hard time, just trying to understand.)

      Hmm - with this added (and much appreciated) information we may
have to consider another car.  I would hate to do that because it's so
hard to find MB Diesels around here (~Richmond, Va) . Have been looking
for almost a week and only came up with 2 - the 99 and the 09.    My
wife has suffered with old cars for a long time and is digging her heels
in at nothing older than a '00. Not too big a demand since that might be
18 yrs old.  ;-)  If the 09 is a non-starter I may have to  start
considering Camrys and Accords!

      Course, since I may have to consider a gasser maybe i can find a MB
gasser?

      Does anyone know if the ~'09 (I'll also look for 05 and 06) gasser
MB engines have the same oil cooler seal problems?

      Thanks again!  Ya'll have provided such great info over the years -
you have saved me buckets of $$'s!  ;-)

LarryT


On 12/10/2017 12:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote

On December 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Thanks Gang,

       A couple more questions please, Is it a problem that affects all
3.0L V6 Turbo's of that vintage?  If so I would hope it would create a
Recall (he said hopefully) ;-)

Hard to say 'it caused a risk of fire, and it had less than 200,000 miles on 
it'. I'd assume the average failure point is way beyond MBZ's responsibility.

The 94-99 E300Ds were OM606, that's the OM603 from the 87 300D and the 86-87 
SDL, but with a 24v head on it. The 98-99 cars were turbocharged and 
intercooled, the last and the best of the indirect injection engines.
And the earliest CDIs (05-06) were also inline 6, I don't know if they share 
any architecture with the 603.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

   
___

http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks Russ!  Every bit of info help..

Larry


On 12/10/2017 2:57 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes wrote:

Yep that's where it's located. I can't remember how long my buddy, the MB
tech, told me it takes him to do the job. BUT i know it's not a 30 
min. job.
When I took my '08 for the initial service that was one of the things 
he checked.

I don't know if the PO had it done.

Russ

On Sun,12/10/17 07:04, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
I think it's much worse. I believe the oil cooler is buried in the 
engine block Vee, so there's a lot of stuff in top that needs to be 
removed.




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com





___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks!  ;-) Really appreciate that info...

Larry


On 12/10/2017 1:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

There is no reason to be scared of a 642. The oil cooler leak is not a risk of 
fire. It can be lived with if it does it. You would just have to add oil to the 
car about once a month and it will leave oil stains on the driveway. Ours leaks 
and I have not fixed it yet. I will probably do it in the spring.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 10, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

Thanks!

 Since it caused a Fire Risk wouldn't it be eligible  for a Federal Recall? 
Isn't that what recalls are for?  (BTW, I'm not giving you a hard time, just 
trying to understand.)

 Hmm - with this added (and much appreciated) information we may have to 
consider another car.  I would hate to do that because it's so hard to find MB 
Diesels around here (~Richmond, Va) . Have been looking for almost a week and 
only came up with 2 - the 99 and the 09.My wife has suffered with old cars 
for a long time and is digging her heels in at nothing older than a '00. Not 
too big a demand since that might be 18 yrs old.  ;-)  If the 09 is a 
non-starter I may have to  start considering Camrys and Accords!

 Course, since I may have to consider a gasser maybe i can find a MB gasser?

 Does anyone know if the ~'09 (I'll also look for 05 and 06) gasser MB 
engines have the same oil cooler seal problems?

 Thanks again!  Ya'll have provided such great info over the years - you 
have saved me buckets of $$'s!  ;-)

LarryT


On 12/10/2017 12:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote

On December 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Thanks Gang,

  A couple more questions please, Is it a problem that affects all
3.0L V6 Turbo's of that vintage?  If so I would hope it would create a
Recall (he said hopefully) ;-)

Hard to say 'it caused a risk of fire, and it had less than 200,000 miles on 
it'. I'd assume the average failure point is way beyond MBZ's responsibility.

The 94-99 E300Ds were OM606, that's the OM603 from the 87 300D and the 86-87 
SDL, but with a 24v head on it. The 98-99 cars were turbocharged and 
intercooled, the last and the best of the indirect injection engines.
And the earliest CDIs (05-06) were also inline 6, I don't know if they share 
any architecture with the 603.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com





___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

Yep that's where it's located. I can't remember how long my buddy, the MB
tech, told me it takes him to do the job. BUT i know it's not a 30 min. job.
When I took my '08 for the initial service that was one of the things he 
checked.

I don't know if the PO had it done.

Russ

On Sun,12/10/17 07:04, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I think it's much worse. I believe the oil cooler is buried in the engine block 
Vee, so there's a lot of stuff in top that needs to be removed.




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Larry for the amount you drive a gasser probably makes more sense than a 
diesel, it's hard on a diesel not being driven hard regularly. Don't be afraid 
of a gasser, Dwight has one and likes it.

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Larry Turner via 
Mercedes wrote:   Thanks!

     Since it caused a Fire Risk wouldn't it be eligible  for a Federal 
Recall? Isn't that what recalls are for?  (BTW, I'm not giving you a 
hard time, just trying to understand.)

     Hmm - with this added (and much appreciated) information we may 
have to consider another car.  I would hate to do that because it's so 
hard to find MB Diesels around here (~Richmond, Va) . Have been looking 
for almost a week and only came up with 2 - the 99 and the 09.    My 
wife has suffered with old cars for a long time and is digging her heels 
in at nothing older than a '00. Not too big a demand since that might be 
18 yrs old.  ;-)  If the 09 is a non-starter I may have to  start 
considering Camrys and Accords!

     Course, since I may have to consider a gasser maybe i can find a MB 
gasser?

     Does anyone know if the ~'09 (I'll also look for 05 and 06) gasser 
MB engines have the same oil cooler seal problems?

     Thanks again!  Ya'll have provided such great info over the years - 
you have saved me buckets of $$'s!  ;-)

LarryT


On 12/10/2017 12:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote
>> On December 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks Gang,
>>
>>      A couple more questions please, Is it a problem that affects all
>> 3.0L V6 Turbo's of that vintage?  If so I would hope it would create a
>> Recall (he said hopefully) ;-)
> Hard to say 'it caused a risk of fire, and it had less than 200,000 miles on 
> it'. I'd assume the average failure point is way beyond MBZ's responsibility.
>
> The 94-99 E300Ds were OM606, that's the OM603 from the 87 300D and the 86-87 
> SDL, but with a 24v head on it. The 98-99 cars were turbocharged and 
> intercooled, the last and the best of the indirect injection engines.
> And the earliest CDIs (05-06) were also inline 6, I don't know if they share 
> any architecture with the 603.
>
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

  
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Larry for the amount you drive a gasser probably makes more sense than a 
diesel, it's hard on a diesel not being driven hard regularly. Don't be afraid 
of a gasser, Dwight has one and likes it.

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Larry Turner via 
Mercedes wrote:   Thanks!

     Since it caused a Fire Risk wouldn't it be eligible  for a Federal 
Recall? Isn't that what recalls are for?  (BTW, I'm not giving you a 
hard time, just trying to understand.)

     Hmm - with this added (and much appreciated) information we may 
have to consider another car.  I would hate to do that because it's so 
hard to find MB Diesels around here (~Richmond, Va) . Have been looking 
for almost a week and only came up with 2 - the 99 and the 09.    My 
wife has suffered with old cars for a long time and is digging her heels 
in at nothing older than a '00. Not too big a demand since that might be 
18 yrs old.  ;-)  If the 09 is a non-starter I may have to  start 
considering Camrys and Accords!

     Course, since I may have to consider a gasser maybe i can find a MB 
gasser?

     Does anyone know if the ~'09 (I'll also look for 05 and 06) gasser 
MB engines have the same oil cooler seal problems?

     Thanks again!  Ya'll have provided such great info over the years - 
you have saved me buckets of $$'s!  ;-)

LarryT


On 12/10/2017 12:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote
>> On December 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks Gang,
>>
>>      A couple more questions please, Is it a problem that affects all
>> 3.0L V6 Turbo's of that vintage?  If so I would hope it would create a
>> Recall (he said hopefully) ;-)
> Hard to say 'it caused a risk of fire, and it had less than 200,000 miles on 
> it'. I'd assume the average failure point is way beyond MBZ's responsibility.
>
> The 94-99 E300Ds were OM606, that's the OM603 from the 87 300D and the 86-87 
> SDL, but with a 24v head on it. The 98-99 cars were turbocharged and 
> intercooled, the last and the best of the indirect injection engines.
> And the earliest CDIs (05-06) were also inline 6, I don't know if they share 
> any architecture with the 603.
>
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

  
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

also the gasser cars did not have the oil cooler problem. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Since it caused a Fire Risk wouldn't it be eligible  for a Federal 
> Recall? Isn't that what recalls are for?  (BTW, I'm not giving you a hard 
> time, just trying to understand.)
> 
> Hmm - with this added (and much appreciated) information we may have to 
> consider another car.  I would hate to do that because it's so hard to find 
> MB Diesels around here (~Richmond, Va) . Have been looking for almost a week 
> and only came up with 2 - the 99 and the 09.My wife has suffered with old 
> cars for a long time and is digging her heels in at nothing older than a '00. 
> Not too big a demand since that might be 18 yrs old.  ;-)  If the 09 is a 
> non-starter I may have to  start considering Camrys and Accords!
> 
> Course, since I may have to consider a gasser maybe i can find a MB 
> gasser?
> 
> Does anyone know if the ~'09 (I'll also look for 05 and 06) gasser MB 
> engines have the same oil cooler seal problems?
> 
> Thanks again!  Ya'll have provided such great info over the years - you 
> have saved me buckets of $$'s!  ;-)
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
> On 12/10/2017 12:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote
>>> On December 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks Gang,
>>> 
>>>  A couple more questions please, Is it a problem that affects all
>>> 3.0L V6 Turbo's of that vintage?  If so I would hope it would create a
>>> Recall (he said hopefully) ;-)
>> Hard to say 'it caused a risk of fire, and it had less than 200,000 miles on 
>> it'. I'd assume the average failure point is way beyond MBZ's responsibility.
>> 
>> The 94-99 E300Ds were OM606, that's the OM603 from the 87 300D and the 86-87 
>> SDL, but with a 24v head on it. The 98-99 cars were turbocharged and 
>> intercooled, the last and the best of the indirect injection engines.
>> And the earliest CDIs (05-06) were also inline 6, I don't know if they share 
>> any architecture with the 603.
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

There is no reason to be scared of a 642. The oil cooler leak is not a risk of 
fire. It can be lived with if it does it. You would just have to add oil to the 
car about once a month and it will leave oil stains on the driveway. Ours leaks 
and I have not fixed it yet. I will probably do it in the spring. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Since it caused a Fire Risk wouldn't it be eligible  for a Federal 
> Recall? Isn't that what recalls are for?  (BTW, I'm not giving you a hard 
> time, just trying to understand.)
> 
> Hmm - with this added (and much appreciated) information we may have to 
> consider another car.  I would hate to do that because it's so hard to find 
> MB Diesels around here (~Richmond, Va) . Have been looking for almost a week 
> and only came up with 2 - the 99 and the 09.My wife has suffered with old 
> cars for a long time and is digging her heels in at nothing older than a '00. 
> Not too big a demand since that might be 18 yrs old.  ;-)  If the 09 is a 
> non-starter I may have to  start considering Camrys and Accords!
> 
> Course, since I may have to consider a gasser maybe i can find a MB 
> gasser?
> 
> Does anyone know if the ~'09 (I'll also look for 05 and 06) gasser MB 
> engines have the same oil cooler seal problems?
> 
> Thanks again!  Ya'll have provided such great info over the years - you 
> have saved me buckets of $$'s!  ;-)
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
> On 12/10/2017 12:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote
>>> On December 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks Gang,
>>> 
>>>  A couple more questions please, Is it a problem that affects all
>>> 3.0L V6 Turbo's of that vintage?  If so I would hope it would create a
>>> Recall (he said hopefully) ;-)
>> Hard to say 'it caused a risk of fire, and it had less than 200,000 miles on 
>> it'. I'd assume the average failure point is way beyond MBZ's responsibility.
>> 
>> The 94-99 E300Ds were OM606, that's the OM603 from the 87 300D and the 86-87 
>> SDL, but with a 24v head on it. The 98-99 cars were turbocharged and 
>> intercooled, the last and the best of the indirect injection engines.
>> And the earliest CDIs (05-06) were also inline 6, I don't know if they share 
>> any architecture with the 603.
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks!

    Since it caused a Fire Risk wouldn't it be eligible  for a Federal 
Recall? Isn't that what recalls are for?  (BTW, I'm not giving you a 
hard time, just trying to understand.)


    Hmm - with this added (and much appreciated) information we may 
have to consider another car.  I would hate to do that because it's so 
hard to find MB Diesels around here (~Richmond, Va) . Have been looking 
for almost a week and only came up with 2 - the 99 and the 09.    My 
wife has suffered with old cars for a long time and is digging her heels 
in at nothing older than a '00. Not too big a demand since that might be 
18 yrs old.  ;-)  If the 09 is a non-starter I may have to  start 
considering Camrys and Accords!


    Course, since I may have to consider a gasser maybe i can find a MB 
gasser?


    Does anyone know if the ~'09 (I'll also look for 05 and 06) gasser 
MB engines have the same oil cooler seal problems?


    Thanks again!  Ya'll have provided such great info over the years - 
you have saved me buckets of $$'s!  ;-)


LarryT


On 12/10/2017 12:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote

On December 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Thanks Gang,

  A couple more questions please, Is it a problem that affects all
3.0L V6 Turbo's of that vintage?  If so I would hope it would create a
Recall (he said hopefully) ;-)

Hard to say 'it caused a risk of fire, and it had less than 200,000 miles on 
it'. I'd assume the average failure point is way beyond MBZ's responsibility.

The 94-99 E300Ds were OM606, that's the OM603 from the 87 300D and the 86-87 
SDL, but with a 24v head on it. The 98-99 cars were turbocharged and 
intercooled, the last and the best of the indirect injection engines.
And the earliest CDIs (05-06) were also inline 6, I don't know if they share 
any architecture with the 603.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com





___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Gang,
> 
>  A couple more questions please, Is it a problem that affects all 
> 3.0L V6 Turbo's of that vintage?  If so I would hope it would create a 
> Recall (he said hopefully) ;-)

Hard to say 'it caused a risk of fire, and it had less than 200,000 miles on 
it'. I'd assume the average failure point is way beyond MBZ's responsibility. 

The 94-99 E300Ds were OM606, that's the OM603 from the 87 300D and the 86-87 
SDL, but with a 24v head on it. The 98-99 cars were turbocharged and 
intercooled, the last and the best of the indirect injection engines. 
And the earliest CDIs (05-06) were also inline 6, I don't know if they share 
any architecture with the 603.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The oil cooler thing seems to happen at around 175-200@k. A 99 would be a w210 
car with the 606 in it. Much easier to work on. You could look for a 05-06 with 
the older straight 6. It would not have the oil cooler problem and is much 
easier to work on. The 642 v6 is a fine motor aside from the leaking oil 
cooler, but is way more complicated that you are probably used to working on. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Gang,
> 
> A couple more questions please, Is it a problem that affects all 3.0L V6 
> Turbo's of that vintage?  If so I would hope it would create a Recall (he 
> said hopefully) ;-)
> 
> Also - we looked at a 99 300D TD which also has a 3.0L V6 Turbo although 
> the 99 was a lot quicker.  The 99 had around 125K Mi on it (the 09 has ~101K 
> Mi)
> 
> I guess the important thing is to see if either has had the seals 
> replaced, right?
> 
> If all the 3.0L V6 Turbo engines need this massive maintenance job , that 
> would seem like a irresponsible way to build engines wouldn't it?  Or maybe 
> it's profit driven?  I know a lot of profit comes from the service bays...  
> but that doesn't sound like MB
> 
> So, should I look for a pool of oil under the car - or is that in the 
> future?
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
>> On 12/10/2017 8:42 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> PS it’s about a $2-2.5k job to have it done at a shop. It’s probably a 17 
>> hour job
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:13 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When are they supposed to be done?  I looked at the engine but it's 
>>> covered with plastic shielding and I couldn't see anything much less an oil 
>>> leak. ;-)
>>> 
>>> Is it mileage sensitive or something that fails?   This 320 has 101,xxx 
>>> miles.  Low for its age but I trust your suggestion about the Cooler seals 
>>> needing to be replaced.   Is the Oil Cooler in front of the radiator?  I 
>>> assume the rad and AC Condenser comes out?   Man, that sounds like a huge 
>>> job.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Larry
>>> 
>>> 
 On 12/9/2017 9:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 If the oil cooler seals have not been done yet. They will need to me. It’s 
 a massive job.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We are considering the above and i am hoping to find some WSM/s - Any 
> suggestions?
> 
> Thx,
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 
 ___
 http://www.okiebenz.com
 
 To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
 
 To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
 http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
 
>>> ___
>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>> 
>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>> 
>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks Gang,

    A couple more questions please, Is it a problem that affects all 
3.0L V6 Turbo's of that vintage?  If so I would hope it would create a 
Recall (he said hopefully) ;-)


    Also - we looked at a 99 300D TD which also has a 3.0L V6 Turbo 
although the 99 was a lot quicker.  The 99 had around 125K Mi on it (the 
09 has ~101K Mi)


    I guess the important thing is to see if either has had the seals 
replaced, right?


If all the 3.0L V6 Turbo engines need this massive maintenance job , 
that would seem like a irresponsible way to build engines wouldn't it?  
Or maybe it's profit driven?  I know a lot of profit comes from the 
service bays...  but that doesn't sound like MB


    So, should I look for a pool of oil under the car - or is that in 
the future?


Larry


On 12/10/2017 8:42 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

PS it’s about a $2-2.5k job to have it done at a shop. It’s probably a 17 hour 
job

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:13 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

 When are they supposed to be done?  I looked at the engine but it's 
covered with plastic shielding and I couldn't see anything much less an oil 
leak. ;-)

Is it mileage sensitive or something that fails?   This 320 has 101,xxx miles.  
Low for its age but I trust your suggestion about the Cooler seals needing to 
be replaced.   Is the Oil Cooler in front of the radiator?  I assume the rad 
and AC Condenser comes out?   Man, that sounds like a huge job.

Thanks,

Larry



On 12/9/2017 9:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
If the oil cooler seals have not been done yet. They will need to me. It’s a 
massive job.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

 We are considering the above and i am hoping to find some WSM/s - Any 
suggestions?

Thx,

Larry


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

PS it’s about a $2-2.5k job to have it done at a shop. It’s probably a 17 hour 
job 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:13 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> When are they supposed to be done?  I looked at the engine but it's 
> covered with plastic shielding and I couldn't see anything much less an oil 
> leak. ;-)
> 
> Is it mileage sensitive or something that fails?   This 320 has 101,xxx 
> miles.  Low for its age but I trust your suggestion about the Cooler seals 
> needing to be replaced.   Is the Oil Cooler in front of the radiator?  I 
> assume the rad and AC Condenser comes out?   Man, that sounds like a huge job.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
>> On 12/9/2017 9:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> If the oil cooler seals have not been done yet. They will need to me. It’s a 
>> massive job.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We are considering the above and i am hoping to find some WSM/s - Any 
>>> suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> 
>>> Larry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>> 
>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>> 
>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

No it’s down under the intake in the vee. Everything on top of the motor has to 
come off including the turbo. It’s a huge huge huge swine of a job from what I 
hear. One I need to do on the wife’s R320. It’s leaking oil pretty bad. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:13 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> When are they supposed to be done?  I looked at the engine but it's 
> covered with plastic shielding and I couldn't see anything much less an oil 
> leak. ;-)
> 
> Is it mileage sensitive or something that fails?   This 320 has 101,xxx 
> miles.  Low for its age but I trust your suggestion about the Cooler seals 
> needing to be replaced.   Is the Oil Cooler in front of the radiator?  I 
> assume the rad and AC Condenser comes out?   Man, that sounds like a huge job.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
>> On 12/9/2017 9:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> If the oil cooler seals have not been done yet. They will need to me. It’s a 
>> massive job.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We are considering the above and i am hoping to find some WSM/s - Any 
>>> suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> 
>>> Larry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>> 
>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>> 
>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think it's much worse. I believe the oil cooler is buried in the engine block 
Vee, so there's a lot of stuff in top that needs to be removed.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 9, 2017 10:13:15 PM EST, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>    When are they supposed to be done?  I looked at the engine but it's
>
>covered with plastic shielding and I couldn't see anything much less an
>
>oil leak. ;-)
>
>Is it mileage sensitive or something that fails?   This 320 has 101,xxx
>
>miles.  Low for its age but I trust your suggestion about the Cooler 
>seals needing to be replaced.   Is the Oil Cooler in front of the 
>radiator?  I assume the rad and AC Condenser comes out?   Man, that 
>sounds like a huge job.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Larry
>
>
>On 12/9/2017 9:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> If the oil cooler seals have not been done yet. They will need to me.
>It’s a massive job.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>>
>>>  We are considering the above and i am hoping to find some WSM/s
>- Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thx,
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>>
>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>>
>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>>>
>>
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>>
>
>___
>http://www.okiebenz.com
>
>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

    When are they supposed to be done?  I looked at the engine but it's 
covered with plastic shielding and I couldn't see anything much less an 
oil leak. ;-)


Is it mileage sensitive or something that fails?   This 320 has 101,xxx 
miles.  Low for its age but I trust your suggestion about the Cooler 
seals needing to be replaced.   Is the Oil Cooler in front of the 
radiator?  I assume the rad and AC Condenser comes out?   Man, that 
sounds like a huge job.


Thanks,

Larry


On 12/9/2017 9:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

If the oil cooler seals have not been done yet. They will need to me. It’s a 
massive job.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

 We are considering the above and i am hoping to find some WSM/s - Any 
suggestions?

Thx,

Larry


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

If the oil cooler seals have not been done yet. They will need to me. It’s a 
massive job.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We are considering the above and i am hoping to find some WSM/s - Any 
> suggestions?
> 
> Thx,
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Too new,for me to comment.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Dec 9, 2017 8:58 PM, "Larry Turner via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> We are considering the above and i am hoping to find some WSM/s - Any
> suggestions?
>
> Thx,
>
> Larry
>
>
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

[MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

    We are considering the above and i am hoping to find some WSM/s - 
Any suggestions?


Thx,

Larry


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com